November 2, 2024 • 9 mins
The All Blacks managed to narrowly score a win over in Twickenham this morning.
The visitors trailed by 8 with 15 minutes remaining - but surged late and clinched the win via Damian McKenzie's sideline conversion of Mark Telea's try.
All Blacks assistant coach Scott Hansen says the team has some lessons to reflect on before they face off against Ireland.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from newstalksed B. Damien's been timed out before five four.
Get it away, Damien kicks it, tixit, tix it, It's over.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're Black.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Second front of ticket twenty four twenty two.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Get it away, Amien. That's how it finished. All Blacks
twenty four England twenty two. All Black's assistant coach Scott
Hansen is with us. Scott, thanks for joining us. What's
your overall assessment first of all of the All Black
showing in this test match?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Gredat Jason, you're firstly a test match exactly that there
were swings and flows and within it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
We went always at our best. However we found a way.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Really proud of the boys in the end, getting where
we needed to be and finding away had Tickenham. Yeah,
pretty important for us to do that well, and we're
pretty proud of the boys.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Let's drill down into the way the boys found a way.
As you say, twenty to fourteen down with twelve minutes
to go, can you give us your assessment of the
way the team played in the last twelve minutes of
the game.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Just some composure we hit our scram that gave us
some penalties and it gave us field of advantage. As
we came down we adjusted our attack a we're a
bit shorter around the ruck, caused a bit of stress
and then by the end we're able to get to
the edge with Mark. So I just thought from that
sixteen to seventy minute moment we showed some really good
(01:37):
composure and growth.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
The impacts that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Came on Reygard as an example put us in the
idea of the field and we're really able to put
a lot of pressure on England. And then when we
came down to the end of the game. Did to
see the effort at the end when Ford went for
the drop goal. I think there was five all breaks
off their feet, So encourage and here to get to
the foot and apply that pressure. So again, really proud
(02:02):
of the boys and some good learnings from the test.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Also just on the performance in the last the last
fifteen minutes or so, as you and I've chattled about,
as a lot of people have talked about, it hasn't
been the best period for the All Blacks in twenty
twenty four. Has it been something you've specifically looked at
the you know the way you play the final quarter
of a Test match.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, the thing there is you've always got to adjust
to what those moments are. So sometimes you're in front,
these other times you've got to dig in and earn
some right to apply pressure and get in the righteo
of the field and get into the front. So there's
always moments around it. Yes, we sit down with the group,
we go through scenarios around that. But at the end
of the day, what we saw today was a lot
(02:45):
of courage. I thought right through our game we didn't
always get it right. A short pass game at times
gave us a really good advantage. But what I was
in particular crowd of was our ability to play. We
were brave and were always we didn't always get it right,
but we were brave and in the that gaves the result.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
We're after Mark Delaya with two of your tries, the
second just trademark. Mark Delay with his elusiveness down the
right wing touch line. Do you think it's taken him
a bit of time to get going in twenty twenty four,
but do you feel like he's back to where where
you need him to be.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Was a very good performance from him. Wasn't it two
tries today, strong on the edge. You think about the
year we were needed to go contestable kicks, Mark winning
them in the right spots as a performance that he
can be really proud of him, really happy for him.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Damien McKenzie with a clutch conversion. He almost ran the
shot clocked down. I'm not sure if you were watching it.
I know we were back here. Were you always confident
that Damien would nail it?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
We all know Damien, don't we. He's a gambler, he's brave,
So he's brave. He's going to kick that and in
any way in that moment he's he's in the moment,
he's kicking to win it, but he's got no pressure
around where he's at with it.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Was really happy for him. Was he lined it up?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
He was confident. It was never going to be about
that kick. It was always going to be around the
moments before it at the end of the day. But
for him to line up be so confident, that's Dave.
This the Damien McKenzie we all know, brave and from
that you know we're in a position to win a test.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I just want to ask you about an incident earlier
in the second half, Bowden Barrett straight away to score
a try called back a penalty to England for a
deliberate knock on by Caleb Clark. What did you make
of that incident?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, to be honest, Jason, like, I'm not going to
ever challenge a riff's decision.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I thought, you know, the key bit was how we
responded to it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So the decision was made by the officials around it
Caleb whether or not he was coming up to a
plow pressure through the through the tackle where the arm
was loose. At the end of the day, the decision
was made. What we look at as a group is
well how to respond and the.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Response was what's good? Do we need to put ourselves
in that position?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
We actually encourage the boys to come up, have their
their hands and not put themselves in those positions. So
it'll be a clip that we showed Caleb around. Could
you do this differently next time because you don't really
want to be in those positions and probably in that moment,
if you've got his hand in closer and gone for
a dominant tackle, maybe that decision doesn't need to be made.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So you talk about the growth areas that are still
to come in this side. What do you perceive them
specifically to be?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's the group, It's a group learning to play together.
You look at a Wallace Atti, you look at a
Cortes that all these young men that are becoming All
Blacks and understanding what Test match rugby is about. You
look around the transition of what our leadership group looks like.
Scooter Barretts in his first year is an All Black captain.
So when you talk about it's all those layers, there's
(06:08):
a number of them. When we went to South Africa,
we learned a lot about ourselves around game and we
understand that. You know today we weren't always at our best.
But the key thing is, and.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I hope what people were proud of was we were brave.
We played.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We didn't always get it right, but in the end
of the day.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Because we were brave, we got on the right are
in the field.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The penaltyccount was a but lop sided against you, Wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Is that a concern at all? I think? So?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think was it? And so I haven't seen the
stats from the game. Just being there alive and feeling it.
So feelings not always facts, but I think the first
half was nine to one and that's not a position
we want to That's not a position we want to
put ourselves in around. That's what was our accuracy, Like,
we weren't making smart decisions at times around where we
(06:55):
were playing pressure. We put ourselves in positions where England
were applying scoreboard pressure because of the penalty.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So we do have to be better than that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So definitely, as we go through the week we'll acknowledge
well what does that look like and get some better solutions.
But at the end of the day Test match rugby,
you can't be nine to one on the penalty accounts
and I think it was that in the first half.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Just a couple more for you, Scott. I'm glad you
mentioned Wallace the TT. You know you don't want to
pump a young guy's ties up too much. But has
he developed quicker in the Black Jersey than you thought
he would?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh, he's coming and if you look at his performances,
he's been dominant.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He's been dominant around what has.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Ball carriers influencers speed has change his speed. He's a young,
composed all Black and he's got a long runway. He
will get better we're just really proud of what his
wigs looks like in his preparations. He's humble, he's a
great young man and to see him perform so well
in the.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
All Back Jersey and what is his first year? You know?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And you come back to your question, which I think
it's a fair one around what are our learnings? These
are the learnings that again Wallace t is having every
weekend playing Test match rugby for the All Backs around
where he can choose his moments and what they look like.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So we're really encouraged.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Around Wallace's performances and also the people around him that
are allowing him to do that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And finally you're off to Ireland now. But it's a
shorter turnaround a Friday night game over there. So does
the shorter turnaround markedly effect the way you build up
towards the next Test match?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, well tonight we've got to regroup around where we're at.
There's a number of boys that are pretty sore. It's
a very tough Test match here Twickenham, England home. Those
first couple of carries that came around the corner, it
was very very physical. We've had a number of players
leave the field through head h HR issues, so we're
(09:03):
looking at that. Also you go into Ireland and on
a shorter week, yes, but you wake up tomorrow proud
of the performance today and as all Blacks will go well,
where can we be better? And we'll get excited around
the opportunity to face Ireland and on their home too.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
For Also, congrats on the win, Scott.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Thanks for your time, mate, Thanks for your time, Jason,
cheers mate.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Thanks Scott, Scott Henson assistant coach. Quite late there so
thanks for staying up for a Scott, I appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Indeed.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talks ed B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from newstalksed B. Damien's been timed out before five four.
Get it away, Damien kicks it, tixit, tix it, It's over.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're Black.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Second front of ticket twenty four twenty two.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Get it away, Amien. That's how it finished. All Blacks
twenty four England twenty two. All Black's assistant coach Scott
Hansen is with us. Scott, thanks for joining us. What's
your overall assessment first of all of the All Black
showing in this test match?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Gredat Jason, you're firstly a test match exactly that there
were swings and flows and within it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
We went always at our best. However we found a way.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Really proud of the boys in the end, getting where
we needed to be and finding away had Tickenham. Yeah,
pretty important for us to do that well, and we're
pretty proud of the boys.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Let's drill down into the way the boys found a way.
As you say, twenty to fourteen down with twelve minutes
to go, can you give us your assessment of the
way the team played in the last twelve minutes of
the game.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Just some composure we hit our scram that gave us
some penalties and it gave us field of advantage. As
we came down we adjusted our attack a we're a
bit shorter around the ruck, caused a bit of stress
and then by the end we're able to get to
the edge with Mark. So I just thought from that
sixteen to seventy minute moment we showed some really good
(01:37):
composure and growth.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
The impacts that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Came on Reygard as an example put us in the
idea of the field and we're really able to put
a lot of pressure on England. And then when we
came down to the end of the game. Did to
see the effort at the end when Ford went for
the drop goal. I think there was five all breaks
off their feet, So encourage and here to get to
the foot and apply that pressure. So again, really proud
(02:02):
of the boys and some good learnings from the test.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Also just on the performance in the last the last
fifteen minutes or so, as you and I've chattled about,
as a lot of people have talked about, it hasn't
been the best period for the All Blacks in twenty
twenty four. Has it been something you've specifically looked at
the you know the way you play the final quarter
of a Test match.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, the thing there is you've always got to adjust
to what those moments are. So sometimes you're in front,
these other times you've got to dig in and earn
some right to apply pressure and get in the righteo
of the field and get into the front. So there's
always moments around it. Yes, we sit down with the group,
we go through scenarios around that. But at the end
of the day, what we saw today was a lot
(02:45):
of courage. I thought right through our game we didn't
always get it right. A short pass game at times
gave us a really good advantage. But what I was
in particular crowd of was our ability to play. We
were brave and were always we didn't always get it right,
but we were brave and in the that gaves the result.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
We're after Mark Delaya with two of your tries, the
second just trademark. Mark Delay with his elusiveness down the
right wing touch line. Do you think it's taken him
a bit of time to get going in twenty twenty four,
but do you feel like he's back to where where
you need him to be.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Was a very good performance from him. Wasn't it two
tries today, strong on the edge. You think about the
year we were needed to go contestable kicks, Mark winning
them in the right spots as a performance that he
can be really proud of him, really happy for him.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Damien McKenzie with a clutch conversion. He almost ran the
shot clocked down. I'm not sure if you were watching it.
I know we were back here. Were you always confident
that Damien would nail it?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
We all know Damien, don't we. He's a gambler, he's brave,
So he's brave. He's going to kick that and in
any way in that moment he's he's in the moment,
he's kicking to win it, but he's got no pressure
around where he's at with it.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Was really happy for him. Was he lined it up?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
He was confident. It was never going to be about
that kick. It was always going to be around the
moments before it at the end of the day. But
for him to line up be so confident, that's Dave.
This the Damien McKenzie we all know, brave and from
that you know we're in a position to win a test.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I just want to ask you about an incident earlier
in the second half, Bowden Barrett straight away to score
a try called back a penalty to England for a
deliberate knock on by Caleb Clark. What did you make
of that incident?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, to be honest, Jason, like, I'm not going to
ever challenge a riff's decision.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I thought, you know, the key bit was how we
responded to it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So the decision was made by the officials around it
Caleb whether or not he was coming up to a
plow pressure through the through the tackle where the arm
was loose. At the end of the day, the decision
was made. What we look at as a group is
well how to respond and the.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Response was what's good? Do we need to put ourselves
in that position?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
We actually encourage the boys to come up, have their
their hands and not put themselves in those positions. So
it'll be a clip that we showed Caleb around. Could
you do this differently next time because you don't really
want to be in those positions and probably in that moment,
if you've got his hand in closer and gone for
a dominant tackle, maybe that decision doesn't need to be made.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So you talk about the growth areas that are still
to come in this side. What do you perceive them
specifically to be?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's the group, It's a group learning to play together.
You look at a Wallace Atti, you look at a
Cortes that all these young men that are becoming All
Blacks and understanding what Test match rugby is about. You
look around the transition of what our leadership group looks like.
Scooter Barretts in his first year is an All Black captain.
So when you talk about it's all those layers, there's
(06:08):
a number of them. When we went to South Africa,
we learned a lot about ourselves around game and we
understand that. You know today we weren't always at our best.
But the key thing is, and.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I hope what people were proud of was we were brave.
We played.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We didn't always get it right, but in the end
of the day.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Because we were brave, we got on the right are
in the field.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The penaltyccount was a but lop sided against you, Wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Is that a concern at all? I think? So?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think was it? And so I haven't seen the
stats from the game. Just being there alive and feeling it.
So feelings not always facts, but I think the first
half was nine to one and that's not a position
we want to That's not a position we want to
put ourselves in around. That's what was our accuracy, Like,
we weren't making smart decisions at times around where we
(06:55):
were playing pressure. We put ourselves in positions where England
were applying scoreboard pressure because of the penalty.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So we do have to be better than that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So definitely, as we go through the week we'll acknowledge
well what does that look like and get some better solutions.
But at the end of the day Test match rugby,
you can't be nine to one on the penalty accounts
and I think it was that in the first half.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Just a couple more for you, Scott. I'm glad you
mentioned Wallace the TT. You know you don't want to
pump a young guy's ties up too much. But has
he developed quicker in the Black Jersey than you thought
he would?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh, he's coming and if you look at his performances,
he's been dominant.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He's been dominant around what has.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Ball carriers influencers speed has change his speed. He's a young,
composed all Black and he's got a long runway. He
will get better we're just really proud of what his
wigs looks like in his preparations. He's humble, he's a
great young man and to see him perform so well
in the.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
All Back Jersey and what is his first year? You know?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And you come back to your question, which I think
it's a fair one around what are our learnings? These
are the learnings that again Wallace t is having every
weekend playing Test match rugby for the All Backs around
where he can choose his moments and what they look like.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So we're really encouraged.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Around Wallace's performances and also the people around him that
are allowing him to do that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And finally you're off to Ireland now. But it's a
shorter turnaround a Friday night game over there. So does
the shorter turnaround markedly effect the way you build up
towards the next Test match?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, well tonight we've got to regroup around where we're at.
There's a number of boys that are pretty sore. It's
a very tough Test match here Twickenham, England home. Those
first couple of carries that came around the corner, it
was very very physical. We've had a number of players
leave the field through head h HR issues, so we're
(09:03):
looking at that. Also you go into Ireland and on
a shorter week, yes, but you wake up tomorrow proud
of the performance today and as all Blacks will go well,
where can we be better? And we'll get excited around
the opportunity to face Ireland and on their home too.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
For Also, congrats on the win, Scott.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Thanks for your time, mate, Thanks for your time, Jason,
cheers mate.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Thanks Scott, Scott Henson assistant coach. Quite late there so
thanks for staying up for a Scott, I appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Indeed.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talks ed B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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