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September 19, 2024 24 mins

In this episode, Sienna wants to grow up to become a fashion designer like the iconic Karen Walker. 

Joining Sienna and Ben, Karen Walker talks about her journey from starting her fashion brand in New Zealand to taking it global.

Highlights of the episode include:

  • Karen’s advice on following your dreams and starting a business, as she remembers how she launched her brand with just $100.
  • Insights for young people from Karen's decades of experience, sharing what helped her build a global brand that stays innovative, inspiring, and relevant after over 30 years.
  • Stories of her designs being worn by some of the world’s most famous names, including Michelle Obama, Meghan Markle, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, LeBron James, Lorde, Beyoncé, and J.Lo. Plus, which celebrity treated her to lunch?
  • And whether or not Karen would ever be spotted in public wearing track pants!

Finally, what would Karen tell her younger self at Sienna’s age?

About The Show:

Sienna Boyce is 13 years old and constantly tells her Dad, Ben Boyce, what she wants to be when she grows up – an actor, scientist, rugby player, singer, chef or politician. 

Each episode of ‘When I Grow Up’ aims to showcase inspirational females from around Aotearoa and shine a light on them, what it takes to do their job and learn about their story of how they got to where they are so that Sienna can help make up her mind.

This is a podcast to help the teenager in your life dream big.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Heads podcast network.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Mine nem seeing it and this is my dadmin Hi,
And when I grow up, I want to be a
TikTok start right, or a.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Sports player Okay, hang on, yeah, even a.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Fashion designer actually, maybe in all the players business.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Okay, okay, slow down.

Speaker 5 (00:18):
Maybe we should talk to some amazing females who inspire
you and who you want to.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Be, like, yeah, and we can find out what they
did to get where they are.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Yes, and let's do it as a TV show.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
No, Dad, only old people watch TV. Let's do it
as a podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess that works through.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is when I grow up. This episode's guest is
fashion designer Karen Walker. We were so very grateful that
she took.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
The time to chat to Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Very cool.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Her story is an amazing one, how she followed her
dreams starting a business.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
With just a couple of shirts and not much money.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
She reminds me, don't you owe me some money?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
We'll talk about this later.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Karen created a global brand being worn by celebrities a
Lady Gaga, Rihanna Alabama.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Sorry, just dropped a few names there for you seeing her.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
She actually even got treated to lunch by one that's
a cool story.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Plus, she has really great advice how she built a
fashion label that remains innovative, inspiring, and relevant even after
thirty years.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Or someone's been googling something words they.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Karen's advice is worth hearing no matter what you want
to do with your life.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
And also, would Karen be caught wearing track pants and public?
The answer may surprise me.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Definitely surprised me. You'll hear it, oh on this week's episode.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
We can't wait for you.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
To hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hey, dad, when I grew up, I want to be
a fashion designer like Karen Walker.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Oh that's awesome theater. Well, Karen Walker's here right now,
which is great to have you here. Karen, thank you
for doing this morning pleasure. I'm also because you're so
good with fashion, I'm questioning, well I should have worn
a bart.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Some some and T shirt as you're right today. I'm like, oh,
damn cardigan. But anyway, I've made my choice.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I love a cardigan. Don't be embarrassed about a cardigan.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
But see, you know I always like to put her
on the spot with these things and say, why do
you want to be like Karen?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
You've thought about this right.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You have. Well, Karen, you've created a world wide fashion
brand from New Zealand that has been worn and loved
by so many celebrities. Let me do my little list here,
Meg and Michael, Lady Gaga, Michelle Obama, Rihanna Lebron, James Lord,
Beyonce and j Low. That is incredible and that's just
a small amount.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
That good time it is.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
You realize you're way too famous for this podcast. Do
you still kind of think when some of those people
were your outfits that you're like, Wow, that's Lady Gaga
wearing something wine?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, totally crazy, totally.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
It doesn't even like it.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
It never gets boring. But you know, just seeing like
normal people wearing our products also pretty good.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well, because you're right, you're probably like walking down the
street and seeing people when you're like, oh, they're wearing.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
This, and Michelle Obama yeah every day please, But just
regular people when I'm out walking to work or getting
some groceries. I love that too.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
That's fae.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Can we go right back to where you started on
your fashion label in nineteen eighty nine with one hundred
dollars and two T shirts? Is that right?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Almost hundred dollars, is right, I start up. The startup
capital for the company is a hundred bus. One hundred dollars, oh,
which i'd earned waiting tables.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
I've probably got maybe two hundred dollars and a couple
of T shirts. Could I start a fashion label?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, so anyone can do it.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, you need to do this business to start it. Yeah,
I'm not saying it's going to be successful. Just start it.
Just make something the same as you If you're a
podcast you just make a podcast. If you're a filmmaker,
make it on your phone. In our businesses, you don't actually, kids,
you don't need the degree. Yeah, you know, it's not

(03:37):
like being a brain surgeon. You know, with this you
can actually kind of in the marketing media and the
creative field, you can actually just kind of start it
off for ships and giggles in a bit of play.
Doesn't necessarily mean that's the right way to do it,
but you can.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
You can just start.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
You can just start whenever you want, and you can
start it any age too.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, when you first started, you probably did have any
idea you were going to start an international fashion brand.
So what advice would you give to someone my age?
That wants to get into fashion.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, you're right. I didn't have any idea what it
was going to become at the beginning. I was like nineteen.
It was just fun. It was just playtime. And I
hope there's still that in the work we do every day.
That's sort of the bits of the work that are like, actually,
this doesn't need this little project over here doesn't need
to have a purpose, it doesn't need to have a KPI,

(04:28):
it doesn't need to make money. It's just the playtime stuff.
That's something I've always really worked for within my business.
You can't do it all the time, you can't even
do it ninety percent of the time, but if you
can do it one percent of the time, have that
just fun money, fun play, creative, nothing at stake kind
of thinking. I really enjoy that there's generally one project

(04:48):
a year within the company. That's that kind of thing
where it's like, there's nothing at stake, We're just going
to put this money on the table if it works.
It's just pure creativity.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We were reading that when you started your fashion business
it was because as you couldn't find the things, or
your friends couldn't find the things that they wanted. Is
it important to start a business by identifying something that
isn't actually being done?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's crucial if somebody else is already
doing it and doing it really well, what's the point Yeah? Yeah.
What are they call it in marketing that the USP
and an ex selling problems?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Developing your own style wars?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah? What is your reason for being in any business?
Like fashion? Yeah? But like everything, like what is the
what is your reason for existing? And you know, asking
people for their attention?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do you remember the first piece of clothing you made
for myself? For anyone?

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I do remember the first piece of clothing I made.
I was in form one what's that year seven at
remember intermediate and Miss Reynolds was our sewing teacher. It
was when girls at selling and cooking and boys and
woworth and it was eighty one I made. That's like
khaki knickerbockers with gold trim that's tied. Yeah, and they

(06:01):
were quite complicated for somebody, first one out of the gate,
first time making a garment. They're pretty tricky. I think
I want them to the school social.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Don't have them today, don't still have them.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
But you know what I don't think they were. They
weren't wrong. There was just you know, it's what she
and it wasn't it was of this time. And I
still like Golden. It just a spot of lyrics.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah. Was there something then for you that you instantly enjoyed, like, yeah,
creating that you were kind of thought at that age
that could be you.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, yeah, I always loved that. Yeah, my mother had
this banina sewing machines. Probably got it through like wedding
or something.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
She came from a time when people made clothes, like
because they had to make clothes, right, everybody had that skill.
Everybody could net, everybody could sew, you know. Every guy
could meant to tap and change a light by like
in my house, not even a hammer. So she came
from that time, and so there was always a sewing machine.
It's a rainy Sunday and I was like, yeah, what
are we? So I just get out the box of

(07:02):
fabrics in the in the cupboard and muck around with
the sewing machine and just kind of make things. But
you know what, if there had been a Super eight
camera or paints or something else, it might have been that.
It was just that's what was funny.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know, almost created your love. Well, I didn't create
your love for it, And you're right, it could have
been something totally different.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
It been something different.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, And because it was your dad a bit of
an entrepreneur as well, it was a.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Bit of an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
So my mother kind of had a restrained elegance in
her style and my dad was kind of entrepreneurial and
boisterous and outgoing. And I see both those sides and
myself sort of living happily side by side.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
And did your parents, like, I guess I'm putting my
dad hair on here, but did your parents, like how
much did they encourage you to follow your dreams?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Not really great parents, but they were They weren't involved
ever in the business, and they didn't really ever ask
about it, and I think it kind of took them
by surprise. But when it's like suddenly I'm on the Talian,
they're like what whatnot? They're like, hell right, so there's
more paper and they're you know, friends are going, oh, karens.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
That's funny. Do you think maybe now it's easier.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
To be terrible? They were, They just it just wasn't
their area and they just you know, which was kind
of you know, if they had as those questions more,
maybe they would have said, don't do that, get a
proper job.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah right, but you said they didn't and that was
for the beast exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Listeners stay completely out of you and they'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Leave the podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Or do you think maybe now it's easier to get noticed,
Like when you started there obviously wasn't much internet with.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Wouldn't have been the internet, right, how did it happen?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I mean be nowadays for designers, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yes, you've you've got more ways of showing yourself to people,
but you're also competing against every other person on the planet.
So with the technology we have now, yes you can
talk to every single person on the planet, but you're
also competing against every other brand and person on the planet.
So it's the same thing, but bigger pond. And then
I was starting out yet there was no Internet.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I don't know where that came out when I was
starting it. I think it was an Internet that came
in midway through.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
So just kind of had your community and grow from there.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
We went on a family holiday recently to visit a
family who live in New York, and I embarrassed you know,
with a hot dog costume and Times Square just an
embarrasser because New York was the first place that you
got noticed obviously not with the hot dog costume.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
How did you get noticed from New Zealand over in.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
New York again before the internet?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh the internet might have been around then, you're right, yeah,
I think the Internet happened then, yeah, gotcha. Our first
step outside Newseualm was into Australia. We just got a
cold caller from an agent saying I've seen your stuff,
really like it, can we represent you? It just kind
of then starts showing a Sidney Fashion Week show there
three times, and then had a call from an agency
in New York saying, really like what you're doing in

(10:13):
Sydney Fashion Week? Can we represent you? And we're like,
sounds great, but not ready And they were like, you'll
never be ready.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Just do it.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
What's it going to take? And two weeks later we
had a first order from Barney's New York and it
was just by showing up giving, you know, presenting the
product and with kind of bravery and kind of you know,
in a way no expectations.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, well project, we.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Did read that in another article you said that, you
said that you'll never you never really feel ready, you know,
like you just got to do it. Like, no matter
I guess how much planning or anything goes on to it,
you just kind of need to make that step that
plunge in some stage, right, but.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Also mindfully, Yeah, you set some parameters around what you
were prepared to risk.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And with that it was like, well, we've already got
a collection. What's it going to take, like signing up
for six months in a DHL box, like unless to it.
You know, sometimes just kind of have to step into
the unknown. But with say, with some guardrails.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
This is when I grow up. So we only actually
see your successes and photos of celebrities like Lady Gardo
Beyonce wearing your clothes. But there must have been failures.
So what did you actually learn by those failures?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, the really good lessons are the one where you
really get a punch in the face, Like those are
the lessons you never forget. I think when I think
about the failures we've had, there's a common theme of
not asking enough questions and sort of sticking to it.
Like my style of thinking is I'll make a plan
is step one, step two, step three, like naturally, and

(11:43):
you just keep going until you finish it. And there's
a real gift in a lot of ways. Even when
it gets hard, you keep going. But you kind of
need to have What I've had to learn is you
kind of have you have twenty percent in there that's
like prepared to appear to be nimble bit to change course,
and that's not just a oh god, hard, I'm giving up.
There's OK. Actually I've had my first punch in the face.

(12:03):
Let's try the string step. So being kind of pivoting
it pvoting when you need to, being open to those
looking for those moments when you've got to pivot, but
also not just giving up because it's got a bit hardener.
But I'm comfortable, you know. It's that kind of delegate balance,
knowing when it's just you're giving up because it got hard,
and knowing when you're pivoting because that's the right thing
to do. So what I've learned from the failures is

(12:25):
it's the common theme is not pivoting soon enough and
not asking enough questions.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
And I guess everyone's like to be in the business
as long as you have everyone's got to have those
moments where they don't go.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right right, Yeah, of course, So it's like twenty percent
of the time you've got to go yeah, twenty percent
of the time, it's going to be a dude.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Do you ever doubt yourself because of those things? Or
you just kind of learn from those moments and then go, Okay,
well I won't do that again.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, there are doubts, but but you kind of got
to step into it anyway, even when they're a doubts
and nobody wakes up in the morning going, oh dam
I'm going to have a failure. You're going to do
this project. Yeah, you go in with the best intentions
and really trying to make it the very best you can,

(13:11):
but every now and then will fail.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
When a celebrity wheez your clothing, do you usually know
what's going to happen or is it a surprise or
does it even differ from time to time?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Different from time to time, Like sometimes they'll go and
buy it and wear it and you might see it,
and you might see it straight away, and you might
see it a year later or suddenly like something selling
like crazy, and like what happened? And do some digging.
It's like some Korean pop star or you know Lebron
or you know, and you're like, oh, okay, that happened.

(13:41):
And then other times and other times they'll reach out
and say would you make something for me, like Michelle Obama. Wow,
it's every thing to know that you've got to make
something for Michelle. But that was really it was a
bit nerve wrecking. But we well not really because I
kind of she knew what she wanted and we had
a really good team. And there was a bit of
a couple of twils that went over to be fitted
because she's got all the measurements, like get a sheet

(14:04):
of like a hundred different measurements and just make them
because she's tall, you know, so she can't buy off
the rag. And then other times we'll approach people and
say would you like pair of glasses or whatever or
whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Do you get to meet a lot of them or.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Sometimes who's been your favorite? Oh, I had a really
lovely lunch with Drew Barrymore. She invited me to lunch
and when I was in La once and that was
really great. I've been watching her in movies since I
was a little girl, because she's younger than me. But
you know I remember e t Yeah, and she's just
this most delightful, gorgeous smart woman.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
She was.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
That was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I was terribly sick, nasty Bronci.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I'm going anywhere she paid? Did you split the bell?
How did it work out?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I think she paid?

Speaker 5 (14:56):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
All right, you were going.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
I think you had.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I didn't have the garlic friends I drew.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
You can pay for that one. What I'd be doing?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's pretty cool occasionally do you get to meet people?
But that's not why I'm in the business celebrity nice
like you know, I'm in the business to make nice
products that people like.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
How many people like day to day?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Punish you for a discounts all about Yeah, there's a surprise.
This isn't a podcast. No, you don't want you want
me wearing your clothing? Caaren, Come on, you're doing what
you're doing? Great?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Nobody, No, nobody really. I give my friends we have
a friends and family discovered after extend to their friends
and family and make sure that my friends at my
husband's going out to buy some fragrant today my Father's
Day for his father tomorrow's really loves monumental fragrance going
off to the shop, and I like, remember you get
a discount. He's buying his dead make sure you a discount?

(16:01):
Could easily not?

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah right, okay, well even for there we go for
your husband when he gets a disco.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I saw your campaign for your sunglasses where you put
them on mops and brooms, and another way you used
a rescue dog. Was this to help stand down? Also
a great way to save money on like the celebrity models.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. The rescue dog. Toast was
a celebrity and cost us a lot more really a
lot of human models, but it was worth every cent
because she was she was amazing with Toast the rescue dog.
There was a lot of celebrity like I wear brands
at that time putting eyewear on celebrities, and our approach
with marketing is, you know we were talking about earlier,

(16:41):
just to do it your own way, don't do it
the other people's way, because there's no point. And also
when we came into the eyewear business, like twenty years ago,
however long it's been, iwe was really really boring and
all the images were just kind of a dewy skinned
girl on a boat. You're right, kind of flaw. So
our approach to eyewear imagery was always not that spiers, son, gods,

(17:07):
rescue dogs, brooms, kids, old ladies with advanced style, you know,
just anything except a dewy skin to model on a boat,
essentially because yawn. So at one point, yeah, there were
lots of was just all on celebrities. So we thought, well, okay,
what if we were to do that, what would our
take be? Thought? The first of all, you need to
have it's got to be somebody's already a fan, and

(17:29):
you know, lots of celebrity fans of our eyewear. Yeah,
but we're like, well, you know, we could bring up blah,
but actually, who's our most surprising fan? And it was
this rescue dog called Toast who's from New York and
has like I think at the time had like three
and fifty thousand followers, and always she's already wearing the glasses.
I had like posting lots wearing the glasses because she

(17:51):
was just buying their mum Katie was as buying them
and thought all this do. So we rang up Katie
her mum and she was like, yeah, great, so we
shouted in New York. It was like some of the
most beautiful I room was just we've ever done, and
still to this day we well see them. They kind
of gasp, this is when I grow up.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
What about naming the you know, well, naming the company
after yourself? I mean it is your name. Does that
mean that you feel like you can't go to the supermarket?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And yet I was at the supermarket this morning, but no.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Your pj's alreadything ft wearing track pants on the couch
or things like that. Do you feel like you need to.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Be were the trek fans on the car? Social media
stops about.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Like you like buying something online? Do if she's like
a fake? Note like, oh why is Karen buying us?
A scam?

Speaker 1 (18:40):
There's more than one of us? But I know, what's
the question? Can I go on my track?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Just feel because you are like a fashion she Last last.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Night Friday night, my husband and I always got to
dinner at our local Japanese place, and I've been out
to t walk the dog and then it's like you really,
when we're getting to dinner, I'm like now and it's
like you're wearing your track pants and it's like go and.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Change all right, Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Generally I don't walk.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
And when you say your name, like at a restaurant
or something booking, does that people go? That would happen
from time to time, right, yeah, always it's a fake
name that you're booking into a hotel floor or something.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well yeah, no, it's kind of the opposite, isn't it.
When you're booking your table, like a table too for
Mick Jagger please yeah, you know you'll get the right table.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Oh yeah, that's what I need to do.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
How do you stay inspired even after so many years
of fashion? Oh?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Just like you know, this is the work is inspiring
this when you have every day we have wins. Every
day you'll have a customer who said who gives certain feedback,
or an item that comes in from the sampling department
looking amazing, or an image that looks great on a shoot. Yeah,
every day there's successes that just kind of drive the excitement,

(19:56):
the adrenaline, the sense of making a difference, seeing customer
in the street looking fantastic. Those the little the little
bends every single day.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
And if you keep that feeling, I guess you have
through the years from when you started that.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I didn't, I wouldn't still be here, and that feeling stops.
It's time for me to.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Put your track pants on and go out. Yeah that
when I carried out in public and the track beds
will be like all right.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Actually, I thing came on my Instagram feed the other
day with Rupert Everett talking about that that he was
saying that he's sixty five now and how he.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Carl Lagafield told him once that a man over sixty
wearing track pants has given up on Life's like, I'm
wearing track pants.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
They're really comfortable. So I'm going to do that. You
basically go for comfort over styles out before you go.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Some quick questions to find out if I really want
to be like you. It's called this all that.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Okay, you can pass on any of the high heels
or sneakersers, winter sneakers, Yeah, I'm too off.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I love sneakers, winter clothes or summer clothes.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Oh, thinking about this one.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
All yeah, all right, yeah, a new handbag or a new.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Pair of shoes, shoes, shoes, Yeah. I tend to just
tend to freshen up my bag action every four to
six months. I mean, you know, I'm in a different
situation to a lot of people because I can just
walk into the sample room and.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
It's slightly different everyone.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
But I do tend to make the same bag last
for a period, but I switched fresh firsteakers every three months.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Paris Fashion Week or meat Week at the Supermaro.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Both are great.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Can we say, I don't need to answer.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Okay, Well, you.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Never know, Okay, camping or staying in a hotel. Hotel,
shopping online at home or shopping in a store.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Depends what it is. Different things for different generally in
store though, if it's like, I don't know what's the
last thing I bought online? See, I can't even remember
the last time. There's something about going to a store
that you love. I like talking to people. Yeah, I
like the convenience of online. But I like talking to people.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, and you get the wrong side.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I don't always, but I don't shop a lot.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, but there's something about that because I know
my wife or your mum's mena always talks about that
she likes going to the store and the experience. You know,
if she buys something, you want to get there in
a bag and walk out of the thing feeling of
that which you don't always get online, having some.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Lives like Rihanna or Michelle Obama wearing clothes or this podcast. Again, Karen,
thank you so much of your time. I think you've
shown us young people what you can achieve from anywhere.
And finally, what would you tell you're thirteen or fourteen
year old self.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
My thirteen or fourteen year old self, I'd say, relax, strapper,
and it's going to be great, Stay curious, do all
things you already know, work hard, be polite, know how
to spell, and buy shares an Apple and Microsoft.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Now which I'm thinking you didn't do. That's all right, Hey,
thank you so much for you so much.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
You're welcome, such a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Karen had so many great tips that are bound.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
To help so many people, and I thought it was
really awesome how she took time to write some notes
which she wanted to pass on the advice she wanted
to give was really appreciative.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yew also saying listen, not to brag or anything, but
a couple of days after we recorded this podcast, got
a little parcel and she actually gave me a pair
of earrings, which is so nice and just shows how amazing.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
And lovely show. Yeah, it really blew us away.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Like every gift that we've had on they give up
their time for free to help inspire the next generation,
and then she sends.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
You a gift. I know amazing.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
It's seen it to my work. It was nothing for me,
but anyway, that's not the point.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Don't forget to like and subscribe to our podcast, joined
by another inspirational female next week to hear their story
and maybe, just maybe I can figure out what I
want to be when I grew up
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