How Marathons Work

You’d have to be crazy to try to run 26.2 miles in a single stretch, right? Right. But people still try it anyway. And a lot of them even survive! Find out all about the pitfalls of marathons and the obsession they can inspire in this episode. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works
dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,
and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there, and there's
Jerry And this is Stuff you Should Know, the Hot
and Sweaty edition. It is hot in here. Although I

(00:24):
know that you were talking about marathon running, yeah I was,
but it worked both ways. You know you ever had
an urge to run a marathon? No? Same here, not
really even researching this. You know, I get kind of
caught up when when we do research from like I'm
gonna start growing Bond's eye, I'm gonna grow orchids. I'm
gonna start um, you know, um clipping those little uh

(00:47):
those little indentations into into currency to help the blind
and start cleaning up crime scenes. That was another one. Yeah,
so that didn't happen. I felt that the beginnings of
an inkling of it. And I want to go jog,
but I don't want a marathon. No. Well, my joke
that I've been saying for about thirty years is I

(01:10):
don't even like driving twenty six miles. It's a good one. Yeah,
it's gotten a little stale. Um. Yeah, I've never had
the urge. I think it's great if people want to
run marathons, sure you, but um, it is not for me.
I hate running. Uh see. I like running, I just

(01:31):
I hate it. I don't have any desire to run
that far for that long. I like walking or like spinning.
I like all kinds of great aerobic exercise. You mean spinning,
like cycling, No no, no, like a like a kid,
totally okay, totaling and tumbling, I like rolling downhills No, no, no,
spinning on a bike. It's all great. But I just

(01:52):
hate running. I hate it. Okay, I never have liked it. Well, then, yeah,
marathon is probably not for you, But there it is
for plenty of people. There's and it's growing in popularity.
I don't know if you know this or not, but
marathons are quite popular, Chuck. I saw that in the
the upcoming I believe it's in November, the New York Marathon.

(02:17):
They're expecting fifty plus people to run it. And that's
out of like a hundred thousand plus people who are
applying to be chosen to run. There's a lot of people.
And then the half marathon too. There was I think
in two thousand, fourteen, four full years ago, there was
something like two million finishers. That's a lot of people

(02:39):
running marathons and half marathons. So clearly it's popular. And
that's okay with me, Like do your thing. Yeah, I've
I've I've flirted with the idea of a ten k
with our famous Peachtree road Race. Yes, because it's and
we'll talk about the sun in the show, but it's

(03:01):
you know, it's a social event. Uh And and from
what I see, it's a good time to go out
and run the peach Tree road Race. And growing up
in Atlanta seeing everyone with those shirts on the fourth
of July, I'm always like, man, I want one of
those shirts. One day. You can just buy one from eBay.
But then I remember the running part of it, and

(03:22):
and then quickly just say no, thank you. And it's
on fourth of July, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean early
in the morning, so it doesn't matter. It's the fourth
of July in Atlanta, it's already like a hundred degrees.
I know it's hot, that's crazy town. But I think
the idea is you get it done before like nine am. Yeah,
that's what I understand too, But still it's probably pretty hot,

(03:44):
all right. Should we talk about history here? Yeah, let's so.
I think most people realize that the marathon is based
on Greek history, but there's a there's a pretty decent
story to it, if you ask me. Yeah. So let's
go back to ancient Greece. Let's go to Athens. We're

(04:05):
we're hanging out. We're a little drunk. Sure, I'm wine.
We're eating uh delicious olives maybe, man, I love olives.
Maybe some lamb? What else I've given up lamb? Yeah,
I don't eat lamb either. Um, let's see, we could
be eating um, rice filled grape leaves and uh what

(04:27):
it kills somebody to give us a little test siki
sauce for him, I don't think so. All right, I'm
happy that, all right. So we're hanging out the azure
blue seas, the beautiful white homes on the seashore. But
things are not looking good because next door, the Persians
want to come in here and kill us and take

(04:48):
our city because it's so beautiful. Yeah, and there's a
lot of them. There are, there's something like five to
one compared to the Athenians. So we're worried. So the
Athenian Army, like most other Greek armies, and like the Inca,
later would um employed runners who were who were soldiers,
but their job as a soldier was to run as

(05:10):
a messenger from place to place as fast as they
could over very long, rocky mountainous distances. Yeah. Did they
not use horses because of the terrain? I don't know.
Maybe horses hadn't made their their way down there by then, alright,
So for whatever reason, they use human beings that were
fleet of foot to literally run uh messages back and forth.

(05:36):
And it was a big job because you're not just
handing over a piece of paper. You you are taking
the place of a FaceTime call or a phone call,
and that you need to go back and say, well,
I gotta say. When I gave him the message, he
initially seemed interested, but then his face turned and although

(05:59):
he said it's okay, his face said it's not okay
at all. So I would really be worried if I
were you that his official reply isn't really on the level. Yeah,
And they would go, Philippities, you are one of the
best ever, thank you. So. Philippites was actually the the
name of the Athenian army messenger at the time of

(06:20):
the Athenians fending off the Persian invasion about four ninety BC,
and um, he ran off to Sparta to from Marathon
and it ran off to Sparta to say, hey, Spartans,
we need your help. We've got this Persian invasion coming
and we need your help. And he was very famously

(06:42):
kicked into a bottomless hole. Yeah that the Spartan said,
we have to oil our abs and do some crunches,
so no dice on the help. Yeah, they said no.
And from what I understand, he he made it back
and said they said, now I have to go to
sleep now for a couple of days. Because he made

(07:04):
this trick about twenty five I was about forty kilometers
UM in a day and a half. But from where
from Marathon? Okay? I don't think we pointed that out yet,
did we? I did? Okay, I said he made it
from from Marathon, and all right, I think we just
I was missing the drum roll. Oh sorry, you ready
he was in Marathon. That's where he started out. Yeah,

(07:35):
I really blew it for us, didn't I didn't realize
it was See this is proof positive that we don't
coordinate before we record. I just thought it was supposed
to be a big reveal. You're like a marathon. It's true.
I'm sorry, they chuck, Sorry everybody. So that's the big
reveal is the name of the place was Marathon. Where Marathon?

(07:57):
That's right. So that's just story one. There's another story
that may have happened, may not have happened. All this,
we should say, is ancient Greek legend as far as
we know. But the the Athenians actually did manage to
stave off the Persians, and Philipites was tasked with running
from the battle. Maybe that was a marathon back to

(08:20):
Athens to say, don't burn this hound down. The persons
have been vanquished. We're all we're all good. But rather
than being able to say all this, he has supposedly
made it back to Athens, just with just enough energy
left in his body to say Nike and fall over

(08:41):
and die. And Nike was, of course, the goddess of victory,
and victory meant that Athenians had held off the Persians.
Don't burn down the city. Oh so they didn't say,
why are you plugging a shoe with your final breath? Right?
He goes, just do it? Uh. And the idea. If

(09:02):
it sounds weird that he that they were going to
burn down the city. I think the idea was is
that they thought they were gonna lose, so they were
going to burn their city down because they just thought
it was a bygone conclusion, aforegone conclusion, and that they
didn't want the Persians to come in there and like
raid their city. I think they really the jealous lover type,

(09:22):
like if you can't, if I can't have you, know
and catch you, they said it to their city. Alright,
So flash forward in time to the very first Olympic Games,
which we should probably do a show on at some point. Yeah,
we will like the first olympiad uh and the uh. Well,

(09:42):
there was one guy in particular, Michael brial or Brell,
who proposed including in homage to this and recreate this,
this legendary marathon race that Fidipites ran so many years previous,
and the leader, I guess coordinator of the Games, Pierre
Day Cobortine, said that sounds good to me. Let's be

(10:05):
twenty five miles. We're gonna call it a marathon and
go forth and run. He didn't. And by the way,
I took French in high school. So if you'll allow me,
I think it's Michel Brial and Pierre de coubertin Okay,
you have to say it real snotty like um. But

(10:27):
they were apparent supposedly they're not like they don't deserve
all the credit. Robert Browning had written a poem about
Philippites run two Athens, and it was pretty popular at
the time, so they were probably inspired by that. But
they did. They said, we're gonna redo the Olympics. We've
gotta have a marathon race, which was not exactly chuck
Um accurate, because the Olympics have been going on for

(10:50):
hundreds of years by the time Philippites was around the
of the first modern games, we should say, right right, um,
and they went on for a couple of hundred years
after Philippites had come and on um. And at no
point during this I think maybe five hundred or seven
hundred year run of the first ancient Greek Olympics was
there anything even remotely close to a marathon as one

(11:13):
of the races. I think the longest that they had
was somewhere around between a five to at ten k
run that was far and away as far as they ran.
But these guys decided to um again, inspired by the
Robert Browning poem create a marathon. And a lot of
people said, you're gonna kill somebody. Yeah, that was the thing.

(11:34):
It was. It wasn't roundly accepted, the whole twenty five
mile thing. A lot of people did say that it's
too long, it's too hot. Not a good idea, right,
And they said, to heck with you, we don't care
if we kill anybody. This is the Olympics. Don't you
understand how big a deal that is? And they said, no,
not yet, but we'll we'll watch and see. So they

(11:56):
held this Olympics, and it was from the from the
very um, from from the very outset, the marathon was
taken quite seriously, I think, just because it was such
a nutso thing to try that no one had ever
tried before. Um. The Greeks in particular, who hosted this
first Olympics, they had thirteen of I think the seventeen

(12:17):
competitors in the marathon were Greeks, and they held trials
over the course over the marathon course to see who
who could do it and what their times were, and
um they came up with with some pretty good guys,
two of which eventually came in first and second for
those first Olympic marathon. Yeah, this guy speared on Louis

(12:39):
or Lewis, I don't know. He's Greek, his name is Lewis. Yeah. Uh,
he won. He got a time of two hours, twenty
eight minutes and fifty seconds. Uh. And legend has it,
and this may be it may not even be legend.
It may just be straight up in fact that he
stopped halfway through the race to have a glass of wine. Yeah.
I was thinking about that, and I'm like, I'll bet

(13:01):
he was treating that like you would treat a gatorade.
He's like, I need to restore myself, so give me
some wine. Maybe the thing is that that time you
just said to two hours, twenty minutes and fifty seconds
is insanely good. And I'm sure that caught the attention
of people who run marathons and they're like, what that
was the first guy back in the thing about the

(13:25):
first marathon was they were straight up forty kilometer races,
so they were about twenty five miles, not twenty six
point two. Hence the reason why his um time was
so good. But it's still a really really good time,
but that extra one point two miles at the end
can really jack your time up, from what I understand. Yeah,

(13:47):
that didn't come about until in London when they were
the host and King Edward the seventh wife Alexandra said,
and this is just so great. It was and she
was like, I would like the race just stopped by
the palace. And they were like, well, that means an

(14:09):
extra one point two miles on this already dangerous race,
and everyone rolled their eyes were like, all right, I
saw that. Not only did she wanted to start by
the palace, they said, okay, that's fine, it'll be like
twenty six miles. Then she said, well, okay, after you've
officially said that, um, I want to actually to start
in front of the children's nursery so they can see

(14:31):
the starting line. So they added another point two miles
because of Alexandra. So she's like, well kill them and
they're like maybe maybe, oh well all right, but still
do it. Yeah, so they for the Night Olympics. That's
the first time we have a twenty six point two
mile marathon, and it was so the children could see
from the nursery, which is kind of sweet. Actually it

(14:52):
is pretty sweet. And then so there have been marathons
before that one. Again, the first one was those eighteen
nine pigs. Um. There was one in Boston held in
eighteen ninety seven, which became the Boston Marathon, and it's
been held every year since then. That's amazing, it is amazing. UM.
But from that point on, marathon's up until I think

(15:16):
nineteen seventy, they were elite events. You were an elite
marathon runner. If you were in any marathon, you were
there by invitation. Most of the time, your competitors were
from the country that the marathon was being running, and
it was an enormous honor to be invited. Um. And
that's who ran marathons. But then in nineteen seventy, a

(15:38):
guy named Fred Leebo or Leboo, I'm not quite sure
how you say his name. He said, you know what,
to heck with all this snobby nous, I'm gonna start
a marathon for everybody. And he started a marathon that
ran around Central Park in nineteen seventy with a hundred runners,
and it was not only just opened everybody, it was
open to women too, which was a huge deal. UM.

(16:01):
And he started kind of the first UH mass for
the people style marathon in the New York City Marathon,
although Boston I believe it kind of been toying with
this a little bit, but Fred Liebo really kind of
blew the lid off of it, and from that point on,
marathon started to pick up more and more in popularity,

(16:22):
especially when an American won the gold medal in the
nineteen seventy two marathon at the Olympics, Frank Shorter. And then,
of course for anybody who's seen for his gump um,
the whole fitness craze that started around that time really
gave marathon running a boost. Yeah, that was, like you said,
seventy two. And I remember growing up in the seventies.

(16:45):
I remember even knowing as a child that this was
a new thing sweeping the nation, um fitness UH fitness craze,
a fitness revolution. I remember being just very aware of
like running, everyone's running, like they're running magazines and running
clothing that's all over the place now and everyone is running,

(17:08):
and I remember just like feeling like, man, this everyone's
making a big deal about this running thing. And it
was I didn't know at the time, but it was
because it was sort of a new deal. It wasn't
like you didn't have to be, you know, weigh a
hundred and eight pounds, uh, and just be like a

(17:28):
tiny stick of a person, Like that's what you think
of when you think of marathons. It really democratized it,
and uh said, you know, if you want to lose
some weight, if you want to manage your weight, if
you want to just have more energy or increase your
cardiovascular fitness, get out there and beat the streets and
run because it's sort of the cheapest, easiest form of exercise. Yeah,

(17:50):
and and it's also the most independent too. There's no team,
there's no you don't have to do with anybody else
you can there's no coordinating necessarily, although as we'll see
as you get into marathon and all that stuff really
comes into play. But at its at its core, it
is running is the the most basic type of exercise

(18:11):
there is. It really is, And I think that definitely
attracted a lot of people. Plus, um, I'm not sure
what kicked off that health craze, but that really really
fit in nicely with it. The idea of all you
need is a pair of shoes and some really really
revealing shorts and you too could be a runner. Should
we take a break? Sure, because I find myself getting

(18:33):
excited all of a sudden. It was the short shorts,
but wanting still to not run a marathon. Okay, all right,
we'll be right back. All right, dude. So we said

(19:05):
the seventies or where the marathon boom started, but it
really hit and I think the nineties, um, people like
that's when. That's when marathons just started popping up everywhere.
By then, like cities, major cities all have marathons. I
think Berlin started their legendary one in nineteen eighty and
then London in one. But now you can go to

(19:27):
just about any town and there's a marathon there at
least once a year. Did you see this weird stating here?
Did that jump out at you totally? It's I'm just
gonna read it. They're trying to prove in this article
how what a boom in popularity in the nineties, and
it says this from n to nineteen two alone, marathon

(19:49):
finishers increase from nine thousand to nine thousand, two hundred.
It's like, is that right? Is it missing a one?
Is it supposed to be nineteen thousand. Don't. I don't
think so. I think they just are impressed by very
small numbers. There was another one who that came later.
It said that the percentage of runners under twenty years

(20:09):
old over the past fifteen years has increased from one
to one eight percent. Whoa, Yeah, it's weird, man, all right,
those weird stats aside, there was a boom in the nineties.
UM Running USA said that the number of runners in
the largest half marathon and marathon UH in two thousand

(20:32):
increased by about ten thousand I'm sorry, increased, uh to
twenty nine thousand and thirty eight thousand, respectively in the
half marathon in the marathon. Yeah, that's like, um, that's
that's again. That thirty eight thousand numbers now fifty thousand
plus for the New York City Marathon. So it's it's
still growing quite quite dramatically. Katherine Switzer or Switzer came

(20:56):
along um the first official uh uh female participant for
the Boston Marathon, and dude, you know she was almost
thrown out mid race when they found out that she
was a woman running. Yeah, she entered as a case
Whitzer in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, so she wrote a
book about it called Marathon Woman, where she not only
talks about the fact that women like are great at this,

(21:20):
but uh, you can do this. You don't have to
be nineteen and twenty years old. You can do this
into your into your sixties. And you see that. You
see people in their forties, fifties and sixties and beyond. Yeah,
just still out there pounding the streets. UM. Marathoners are
interesting people. Like when you see him on the street,
you can tell the difference usually of like your average

(21:44):
like I'm jogging for exercise, and like I'm running miles
and miles and miles. You can see it on their face.
You can't there when eyes usually kind of like popping
out more than the other. The hair is coming out
in tufts, their knees are bleeding, that kind of stuff.
Here's the interesting step for me though. It says most

(22:06):
long distance runners are college educated from seventy four to UM,
which is interesting. And they make a couple of points that, Um,
you're not just exercising your your your legs or your body,
but your brain because a lot of brain training goes
into this. It's not the kind of thing you can
just say I'm gonna go run a marathon. Let me

(22:27):
see how that goes? Um with training and scheduling and
just being out there running for twenty six miles is
a big brain exercise in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah,
just the run itself is, but also the months and
months and months of preparation and dedication and um self

(22:48):
motivation and discipline like that takes a tremendous amount of
brain power that you might otherwise be you know, using
to do to do. I want a little Debbie coffee
cake or Drake's coffee cake today? Why not both? You know?
Should we talk about the training, sure, because training it's

(23:11):
not uh. And I'm glad they said this in this
article because I was afraid they were gonna be like,
here's how you do it. Um No, they very wisely
did the opposite of that. Yeah, there isn't a single
way to train for a marathon. There are so many
and I started to look and it's just overwhelming. It
really is, dude. There's entire magazines and websites dedicated to

(23:34):
just training for a marathon, not even just running, but
like training for marathons, and it's like there is a
lot to it. Yeah, So it's it's easy to be
intimidated by that or to go down the rabbit hole
where all of a sudden, six months later you're still
researching training methods and not just diving in, but you know,
find something that you think might work for you, and

(23:55):
then just get out there and give it a shot.
And a justice necessary would be what I gathered from this.
That's a that's a great advice, I think. Also it's
probably smart, as with just about anything these days, to
do like just some preliminary research to see if there's
anything you should look out for or try first, but
just get a pair of shoes and go try running
and see what happens. Yeah, so you're you're gonna be running,

(24:18):
not not every day, depending on what training regimen you undertake,
but almost all of them that I saw features at
one time a week you're going to go on a
run that's probably at least fifteen miles, right, And you're
not expected like the day you start training marathon, or
even the week you start training for a marathon, to

(24:40):
to do a fifteen mile run like that's something you
work up to. Fifteen or twenty or twenty six is
the max that you're going to try to run too,
and you work up to that over time. Like we
should say, if you decide that you want to train
for a marathon, you should start about eight to nine months.
If you're starting from zero, you should start about eight
to nine months to to begin training for your first marathon,

(25:03):
because you were meant to slowly work your way up.
If you try to do it other than that, you're
going to pay dearly in pain. Have you ever heard
of a couch to five k? Yeah? I have. I
don't know what it is, though I can guess you're right.
I guess ahead and guess first it is, Um, you
just jump off your couch and run a five k

(25:25):
and then you go back to your couch. Well, you're wrong. No,
it's exactly what you would think it's. It's a it's
if you really do not run at all. It's a
pretty good intro program to get you up to a
five K. I tried it for a little while when
I was like maybe I should run a five k
um and it It just starts out with, like you know,

(25:45):
running and walking and then running a little bit more
and walking less until you're running a five k. But
that's a pretty decent way to start um. But some
people right out of the gate or like, no, you
know what, I don't want to run a five k
or ten k. I want to run a marathon. Yeah,
so you can do that, Um, but you know you
just have to. You're training your body to run for
twenty six point two miles, which you're there's people out

(26:07):
there who are like the not only you're not supposed
to do that. The human bodies not meant to run.
We're supposed to walk. That's it. This is totally unnatural.
Most other people say that's not true. But twenty six
point two miles across the board, people say, the average
person can't just do that. You have to work up
to it. Yeah, so you're gonna have that one weekly

(26:28):
long run. You're gonna be cross training uh on your
days in between, which keeps you in good shape. And
you're just using I think the whole point here is
to use your muscles and your lungs in a different way. Well,
but yeah, and you're also giving your the muscles you
used to run arrest. You're you're working them out, you're
keeping working them out, but you're you're taking arrest from running. Yeah,

(26:51):
although there will be a full rest day in there
as well, Um, where you're well, we'll talk about the
muscles and how they regenerate here in a minute. Um.
But then you've also got your speed work or interval
training or the greatest words ever fart like running, right
is that? And then I saw oh it's sweetish Okay, yeah,

(27:14):
sweetish for speed play and so innocent the swedes and
so good looking. Um. But interval training that's when you're
doing uh things like you're working out different muscles like
by sprinting and spurts uh or you know, running real
fast then slowing down, and it's just it's just working
out different parts of the body. Yeah. And again, well

(27:37):
we'll talk about why you would want to do that,
but um, that is definitely part of marathon training. And again,
as Chuck said, this is not meant to be your
how to guide to marathon training. Nope. Just listen to
this and if it gets you like jazz, then maybe
you should go try to learn how to train for
a marathon. But that's not what we're doing right here. No.
And the other really helpful thing that it's said in

(27:59):
here was it like, what is your goal here? You
need to figure that out? Are you trying to be competitive?
Are you trying to just finish the race or do
you have a time goal in mind? Um? Do you
want to like walk part of it? Like just figure
out what your goal is here? And it early on
it's probably just like I just want to go out
there and finish this thing. Yeah, I think that's what

(28:21):
a lot of people their first goal is, probably of
first time marathoners, is just to finish, you know, without
pooping yourself the Yeah, we'll talk about that later. Um.
The one of the things about marathon ng is and
everyone who is friends or a relative of somebody who

(28:42):
marathons knows is it can become something of an obsession.
And one way that you can be right. One way
you can become obsessed with marathoning is by keeping a
training journal, which most most training regimens encourage. Um. And
there's the number of reasons you would want to keep this.
So a training journal just basically is where you log

(29:05):
your data from a run, whether it's like, um, how
your eggs and pains were, what your heart rate was
if you keep up with that, which of your shoes
you're wearing, how much sleep you got the night before,
what the weather was, like what your weight was, all
this different stuff. You can log all that down and
over time you can start to find patterns in that

(29:27):
data and you can see, well, oh, actually my orange shoes,
I do way better in those than my blue shoes,
so I'm not gonna wear my blue shoes anymore. Or
I run really well if I've gotten five hours of sleep,
but I run terribly at six and a half hour sleep.
You can find patterns like that, and you can use
it to kind of guide your training a little more. Plus,

(29:48):
it's also a big motivator too, because especially if, like
you say, you're logging body weight or your time or whatever,
you can actually see physically intangible form your provement over time,
which can keep you going, you know, for sure. So
trading journal is usually a pretty good idea, but it
is kind of it encapsulates like the idea of really

(30:11):
becoming very focused on on marathon ng. Yeah, it's the
same like if you're if you're trying to keep up
with your like food or calorie and take, like they say,
the best way to do that is is to journal
about it or use one of the apps that helps
you journal about it. Yeah, sure, um, all right, should
we talk about muscles. Yes, so there are a couple

(30:35):
of types of muscles, and I know we've talked about
this before in something over the past ten years, but
I can't remember what. But but the twitch, the slow twitch,
and the fast twitch muscles, and there's also I saw
intermediate twitch, but we won't mention this. The muscle that
dare not speak its name, right. Uh, slow twitch muscles

(30:57):
are important for marathoning because they are your which I
guess you would call your endurance muscles for endurance events,
because the muscle fibers contract very slowly. Um. The fast
twitcher for more like sprinting. But uh, they do think
that if you are like a top tier marathon or

(31:17):
you may actually have a physiological edge because you might
have a larger proportion of slow twitch muscles to fast twitch. Yeah.
I saw that, UM, slow twitch muscle, so that has
way more MYA globin and mitochondria and capillaries, which means
you get more oxygen and more oxygen rich blood and

(31:37):
you have more um oxygen conversion sites to to convert
energy into muscle movement right there in the muscle. So
it's way better for long distance endurance running. They'll have
more slow twitch than fast twitch because over time, when
you're working out, you tear your muscles, you pull them,

(31:58):
you stretch them, you tear them, and you you get
stronger because your body repairs that muscle and it's stronger
than it was before. That's how you gain muscle mass, right, um,
apparently with runners or with any athlete, but your body
repairs it with the muscle that you need more. So,

(32:18):
if you're doing long distance running and you need more
slow twitch muscle, when you tear fast twitch muscle, it
may be replaced with slow twitch. It's called muscle fiber recruitment.
So yes, it would make total sense that long distance
runners have more slow twitch than fast twitch and their
muscle fiber than the average person. Yeah, because they're pretty

(32:41):
cool because they trained that way, and that's their bodies
have developed, have fashioned itself to fit its training, fit
their training. Yeah. So that kind of the point of
that is like, even if you don't have a literal
physiological advantage, uh, you can still train your body to
become something different. Right. You may not win the Boston Marathon,

(33:03):
do you never know, but you might win your age
group or place or finish finish. That would be my
my goal for sure. Uh, you're also beyond your muscles.
It is obviously an aerobic exercise. Um, the oxygen feeds
these muscles. Your heart is is supplying this oxygen and

(33:27):
your lungs and it's all just an amazing and amazing
aerobic fitness routine that you're going through. But it takes
time to get there. Like you can't like, just like
your muscles can't take pounding the pavement for ten miles
on day one. Your lungs are not gonna be ready
in your heart's not gonna be ready for that either. No,

(33:47):
you just you have to start out slow and know
that you're gonna work your way up. This is when
you should come in with one of the famous Josh
like rhyming lines, getting where you fit in. Start out
slow so you can go why not? That's all right?

(34:09):
But with the So with that oxygen thing though that
I want to talk more about the slow twitch muscles
because I'm fascinated by them. The more oxygen you can
train yourself to take in v O two, I think
is what it is. The volume of oxygen um. The
more that oxygen gets transported to your slow twitch muscles.

(34:29):
And again they're oxygen and glucose is being put together
to form a t P, which is the energy molecule
that powers muscles that makes a move. So the more glucose,
the more oxygen you have at the side of your muscles,
the more your muscles are going to be able to contract,
and the further the longer you're going to be able
to keep running. Um. So it's just fascinating that, like,

(34:52):
just training your lungs to take in and distribute more
oxygen to your muscles will allow to run farther, and
that the muscles that you're tearing are being rebuilt to
specialize in accepting that oxygen and using it more efficiently.
So I I feel like the fact that the body
is capable of of changing itself like this certainly suggests

(35:16):
that it's it's not like we're not designed to run.
If we were designed not to run, sorry if he's
in the word designed, But then your leg would just
come right off if you tried to run twenty six
something like that would happen. Your muscles wouldn't become more efficient,
allowing you to run further. Good point. M hm, very
good point. It didn't rhyme. I'm sorry but it's okay

(35:38):
if they get the point across. Uh So, if you're
wondering about that heart rate though, and what like how
fast should my heart be beating? Um, there is a
formula man named Gordon Beer No, wait, Gordon Block, Yes,
that was it. Yeah, he determined a formula for an
ideal training heart rate, which is two minus your age. Yeah,

(36:04):
and then you multiply that times point six and point
to nine. Why that would be your range of your
heart rate, your beats per minute between those two numbers
that you end up with for your ideal heart rate
for training. I didn't see where. I didn't see that
anywhere else. I don't understand what that point six and

(36:26):
point nine is. I couldn't find what that is. What
do you mean what that is? Like? What what is that?
Where does that come from? What explains that? I want
to know? Oh? Like how he developed the formula? Yeah?
I don't know how you developed any formula. I don't
plug in trial and error. Yeah, you plug in numbers
until you land on what what your formula is. It's like, oh,

(36:47):
that guy died, so point one two is too high,
let's try point one one? Well, how about this? Then
forget that, throw it out the window and use the
old fashioned talk test. Ideally, if you're in your ideal
train zone, you should be able to talk. Uh, if
you're if you're going at it too hard and you're
doing that thing where you're been over and someone's asking

(37:10):
you a question and you hold up your hand and
you're just shaking your head like give me a minute,
you're working too hard. Well, this is so, this is
why you're actually running. You should be able to talk correct, Okay. Yeah,
and if and if you do the thing that I
just described where you're shaking your head and you're waving

(37:31):
your finger and going, well, you can't even say that, actually,
then that means you're working too hard. You need to
be able to talk. Um if you apparently, if you
can sing, then you're not working hard enough. So if
you see a marathon or that's singing, that's singing, Billy
Joel singing piano man, Yeah, then they're they're not they're

(37:52):
doing it wrong. Now, no one wants to hear that.
Who sings that song Billy Joel? Well, then let him singing.
He doesn't even want to sing it anymore. Yeah, I'll
Betty does it, which is said because it's a pretty
good song and it's about him really well, and John
and Davy and Paul well yeah, yeah, but I mean
he's the piano man, right, Sure, it's not like a

(38:14):
metaphor for for I don't know, like God or something. Right. No, Okay,
he's a piano man. John's a real estate novelist. Davy
is still in the navy. A real estate novelist. Yeah,
he writes novels about real estate. No, I think he's
a real estate guy who writes novels on the side. Okay,
you never had time for a wife, boy, Billy Joel

(38:36):
really was a poet. But Davy's in the navy. You
know he probably will be for life. That's right. And
America loves that song because it rhymes like a mofo
like most great songs. Uh. Visualization has such a problem
with that dumb word. That's a big deal, not only
for marathoning, but any anytime you have something big in

(38:58):
your life that you want to accomplish, you you're supposed
to visualize that and look at yourself in your mind's eye,
crossing that finish line without poop running down your leg,
which we'll talk about in a little while. Uh, and
there's a guy named Jeff Galloway who's who calls it
positive brainwashing, where you come up with some magic words
for yourself that can you can just repeat in the

(39:19):
rhythm of your run. Um. He recommends relax, power, glad.
Oh that's good, but you can you can choose anything
you want. Yeah, um like Metallica corn husks. You know
what's so funny is right before you said Metallica, I
was thinking exit Light internight. No, yeah, no, that's the

(39:41):
worst Metallica song of all two? Uh is it? I
don't know. I like the old stuff I too, but
I'm saying, like, surely there was another song on that
album that was way worse. Oh, and there's been worse
since then. I was just being koy, like Linda's Eyes.
Come on, I don't even know that song. I just
made it up. It's was like it'd be pretty bad though. Uh,

(40:02):
should we talk about the Runners High? Should we take
a break before we do? I was on a podcast high.
Uh yeah, well, let's leave him hanging, because everybody wants
to know. Everyone tuned in just to hear about the
Runners High, and We're gonna make you wait a little longer.

(40:39):
All right, Chuck, we can't wait any longer. We gotta
talk about the runners high. I've always heard about this.
I was gonna say, have you ever gotten it? But
you have, and I know if you if you aren't
a runner, I've never gotten it either. Apparently the runners
high kicks in from what studies show. It does exist.
By the way, there's a lot of bad and forth

(41:00):
about whether it exists or not. But what I saw
you need to run at about a six out of
ten level of exertion for two hours, basically NonStop, at
about the same pace in a rhythmic motion. That's where
you're likeliest to experience a runners high. I've never done
that in my life and probably never will, so I'll
never get to experience a runners high. Chuck. Yeah, I

(41:21):
thought it was two minutes, and so I just got
discouraged every time. Well, that's the funny thing about it
is a lot of people do run because they want
to see what a runners high is like. And it's like, well,
maybe you'll find out in five years. Yeah, So here's
what a runners high as um and then we'll talk
about what it may or may not be. But that's

(41:42):
the state where you're running and you're you know, you
may be laboring and it may be tough, and then
you reach a point where it's just like everything clicks
in you'r you got that even stride, your body feels great,
your breathing is steady, the rhythm, relax, power, glide, it's
all happening, and you get this state of like euphoria

(42:04):
almost And they even describe sometimes like a meditative loss
of time can happen. Yeah, I saw also that. Um
it's it's like you feel like you can just keep
keep running forever. It feels so good. And the apparently
for a long time everybody was like, well, it's clearly endorphins.
Endorphins are great chemicals that we know your body releases

(42:25):
when you exercise. But they did a little further study
and said endorphins are actually too big to cross the
blood brain barrier in a very short time, so it's
probably not endorphins because it clearly affects your your mood,
So there's something that's affecting the brain. Uh. And they
think that, yes, your body does release endorphins when you exercise,

(42:46):
but they go directly to receptor sites in your muscles
to kind of dampen the pain. What they think the
runners highest is cannabinoids, specifically anatomide or anatomide. Yeah. Georgia
Tech very on Georgia Tech and uh Cal Irvine they
did a joint study and they said that if you

(43:07):
exercise for long enough, you can produce this what is
it an atomide anatomide? Either one? And it is in
fact a cannabinoid, not unlike THC. Yeah, I mean exactly
like well th HC is a cannabinoid too, right, yeah, yeah,
but the feeling that you get, right, So, since it's
a cannabinoid receptor that's being activated this this, the feeling

(43:30):
would be kind of similar to it. But I'm I'm
guessing you don't. I don't know. Maybe you do just
kind of get laughy or whatever, maybe paranoid. How about this?
I want to hear from someone who has experienced a
runners high for sure, who was also had some experience
with marijuana. Hey, great, and I would like to know

(43:50):
how they compare. If we need a control group, somebody
who's had a Runner's high that is never touched pot,
and we're going to compare your descriptions on the pot cast.
Oh god, I'm so excited. We just need to hear
from someone who just smoke spot all the time and
has never run. I don't want to see what their experienced.

(44:10):
I feel like we hear from them every week as
a listener. Male. Okay, so, um, the runners high is
probably pot is basically the physiological explanation of it. But
the weird thing is is, again it's not like we've
We've not either we don't know enough about it to

(44:31):
say this is exactly what you need to do, or
it is elusive for some reason that we've never figured out.
But it's not like you're going to get a runners
high every time. And some people never get a runners high,
some people get them infrequently. Um, it's it's just kind
of like this elusive dream that that runners love to

(44:51):
work toward but don't necessarily ever attain, you know, I mean,
marathoning is impressive, but the people who really like or
a may is me are the I don't even know
what you call it. There's a word for it, the
ultra ultra racing. What's it called ultra Thon's really? Yes?
Is that the name? Yeah? Ultra marathon, ultrathon and how

(45:14):
long are those all? Right? So some of them are
up to like a hundred and fifty miles or longer.
They'll they'll be like overnight, like you run for like
twenty four straight hours. I've got one. I got a
couple for you. Wouldn't look into this because it scares
me so Ultra ultrathons are ultra marathons. They probably deserve

(45:35):
their own maybe like short stuff episode to tell you
the truth. But there's a guy named Dean Carnazas. He
ran fifty marathons in fifty days in fifty states once. What. Yeah,
there's another guy named Scott jurork Key's a ultra marathon
her but he wanted to show off. He set a record.

(45:58):
He ran the Appalachian Trail in forty six days. Ran
it ran the Appalachian Trail in forty six days, something
that frequently takes people six months if they're like trying
to go at a city clip. He ran in forty
six days. Now, I like that because I uh, for
some reason, like road racing just seems boring to me.

(46:20):
But I have had friends. In fact, my old friend
James from New Jersey is a trail runner. That always
seems kind of cool to me because I'm into the
woods in nature, and sure it's it's hardcore stuff, but
I've always thought kind of like mountain biking greater than
street biking. Yeah. Yeah, Well, then there's another ultraton that

(46:41):
you would like. Um, I can't remember the name of it,
but it starts in Death Valley. Oh yeah, I've heard
of this one. And then it ends on a mountaintop
and you run it in about twenty four hours. I've seen. Man,
those people are there's something psychological going on there too. Yeah,
well that's another their things. Like you know, everybody has

(47:02):
heard that great Iron Maiden song. The loneliness of a
long distance runner. That's real, Like, that's a real thing
that to stave off boredom and your body just being like, dude,
let's go get an apple fritter, what are you doing.
That's that's like a real hard thing to deal with
that you have to like stave off for hours on
end and keep up a pace to to try to

(47:23):
finish the marathon. Yeah, I'm on an apple fritter kicked
big time right now. Yeah, and wanting to eat them
when I'm not eating them all right, So you've got
your runners high, which is the positive side of things.
You have the other side of that, which is called
hitting the wall. Yeah, and that happens, um. I don't

(47:45):
think it happens like everyone all the time, but generally,
in like the seventeen to twenty one mile point, your
brain is says and your body are like, what are
you doing? You're not supposed to run this far? And
you hit a figurative wall where fatigue sets in such

(48:05):
that you may I mean it depends on who you are.
You may not finish, you make collapse in a heap,
and you're done when you hit that wall and you're
all of a sudden, you're in an ambulance. Um, but
for real, Yeah, yeah, seriously, I'm like, I'm not getting around, um,
and it's a serious thing. But what what's happening there
is your body is literally out of fuel. It's done.

(48:28):
That's exactly right. That's perfectly put because to run a marathon,
or to run any race, but especially a marathon, you
have to have a tremendous amount of stored energy in
your body. Yeah. Yeah, I remember when I said that,
Like your your muscles use or your body uses um
glucose and oxygen to produce a t P, which is
this energy molecule that your muscles used well. You get

(48:51):
glucose from stores of glycogen, which is basically just a
little bit of glucose tucked away here there, and you
can build up like the glyco glycogen your body by
eating a lot of carbs, like the night before a
race or something. Hitting a wall is where you've not
only used up the glycogen that you have eaten, right,

(49:15):
your body also deposits is little fatty, fatty lipid deposits,
and it started to use up those emergency reserve stores.
And if you can't finish, if you're being carted off
in an ambulance, you used up all the glycogen in
your body. You don't have any energy stores any longer.
That's that's what happens to some people from marathon NG. Yeah,

(49:35):
And part of the problem is those fatty acids, those
emergency reserves, they released very very slowly. So if you're
running a race, you you just basically can't withdraw from
your energy bank fast enough. Uh. The a t M
sort of shuts down and you're you're done for the day.
And some people will you know you can, but you're

(49:58):
you're It's probably a more responsible like a gel pack,
an energy pack, little sugar pack basically, or a banana
or an energy bar or something like that, because then
you're keeping up the easily attainable available stores of glycogen um.
I just I don't understand how somebody who is well
trained in marathon NG could hit the wall like that.

(50:21):
It just seems like you would you would know your
energy stores better than that. So I don't know if
that's amateurs that hit the wall or or somebody that
just didn't. I wasn't paying attention to their energy. I
don't know, but it just seems weird to me that
that somebody who knows what they're doing would have that
happen to them. I'd like to hear about that too,
because I was just about surmise. But I don't even

(50:42):
have no idea. All right, I want to hear about
hitting the wall too. I mean, I'm sure if you
smoke pot every day and you hit the wall, what
does that or play the wall by pink Floyd. No, No,
just keep that all to yourself. I'm sure a lot
of times hitting the wall is maybe not enough experience,
and you have to read jigger your training and like

(51:05):
what you eat before and what you eat and drink
during but it probably also happens on any given day.
Conditions might be such that, or maybe your body just
doesn't react the way you you usually count on it,
you know, I guess, I guess I can't help though.
We have to bring up that episode of the Office
where they had the five k. Yeah, and Michael Scott
thought that stood for five thousand miles and he carbo

(51:29):
loaded right before the race by eating like a giant
styrofoam takeout thing of Alfredo oh Man. So great. So
if you think about a marathon runner, you probably think,
all right, if you're out there run in twenty six
point two miles, you are the peak of health fitness,
and you will live forever. Um, there's still something called genetics.

(51:52):
Everybody that are still in play no matter what you do. Uh,
And that can lead to death. Jim Fixed, very famously,
very celebrated runner, died at fifty two. He wrote the
Complete Book of running, and he died four of arterio
sclerosis while he was running, right, I think, so, uh,

(52:13):
And you don't even have to be I mean, fifty
two still pretty young. But in two thousand seven and
twenty eight year old named Ryan Shay died uh and
he was in he was competing at the Olympic marathon trials. Uh,
he had an irregular heartbeat. Um. What happens when you
run a marathon or doing any kind of intensive uh
physical training like this is your your heart size can

(52:34):
actually increase because it needs more blood to pump um
and that can lead to arrhythmia and heart failure. Right.
You also can drink too much water, and since you're
sweating out salts and peeing out salts because you do
have to pee, um, you can actually affect the electro
light balance in your body. And electro lights are needed

(52:56):
for um electrical transmissions for your muscles, which you think, okay,
well you can't run, but your heart's a muscle too,
so we can't beat right if it doesn't have the
right electrical or electro lights. Um. So there's something called
called um pyperon atrema, yeah, which is basically water toxicity,
and it can lead to sudden cardiac arrest because your

(53:18):
heart just stops getting the right electrical impulses. Do you
pee during a marathon? Yeah, I I didn't see what
you do when you have to pee during a marathon.
I believe there's like porter potties like everywhere right along
the route, but from what I understand, those are more
for the diarrhea. Can we talk about diarrhea upon it?

(53:42):
I think it's time. I've seen some very and we
have all seen very famous images on on sports television
of people that have lost their control of their bowels
during an event like this and they end up on TV.
Hint up on TV. They're not exactly sure the single

(54:05):
cause or if there is a single cause of runners diarrhea,
but they think it could be everything from decreased blood
flow to the intestines, two changes in your hormones, jiggling
to just get old fashioning jiggling of your organs. Yeah,
but it is a thing, it's called runners diarrhea. Stress anxiety, yep,

(54:26):
that could that could contribute for sure, Yeah, um it could.
It could also be like if you eat something weird
that you're not used to eating, it could be a problem.
Eating high fiber foods, um, sugar, alcohols can make you
poop even normally. But if you're running around, um that
can be a big problem too. Yeah. So they I
mean they recommend to for the day or two before

(54:50):
you run a marathon, like avoid those high fiber things. Um,
don't like drink a bunch of caffeine. Uh the day
of the race maybe, um, maybe a few three to
six hours before. Uh, don't eat at all all right,

(55:11):
but again you don't want to hit the wall, so
you need to You need to juggle all this. You
need to juggle your chronic runners diarrhea with the your
glycogen stores that you need to keep up with. But
don't juggle your organs. But you can't help it when
you're running. Man, I remember um, Peter Segel wrote, You

(55:31):
know Peter Segel from Wait, Wait, don't tell me. He's
like a big time runner. He has a column and
Runners World, and one of them was just about runners
diarrhea and how everybody gets it. It's so weird. Should
we finish up with dear Rosie ruise one more thing
before we finish up with her. We have to give
a huge shout out to l you Kip Chogi, who

(55:53):
this this month at the Berlin Marathon, set a new
world record of two hours, one minute and thirty nine seconds.
He beat the six year old record by a minute
in eighteen seconds. A six year old ran it in
that it's being compared to will Will Chamberlain's hundred point game.

(56:14):
It's that big and um. The way that it really
kind of sunk in for me was that it meant
that he ran a four minute thirty eight second mile
for twenty six straight miles. Sounding yeah, and they're they're like,
this guy's gonna break the two hour mark. That's what
he's been training for. Nike basically said, hey man, we
want to basically throw everything we have at sports medicine

(56:36):
wise at your training to see if we can get
you down to two hours, because he's like probably the
greatest marathon or who has ever lived. And um, he said,
all right, let's do it. So they've been working on
it and everyone's expecting him to to break two hours
in his career for sure. Well, you know who's not
the best marathon or in history. I do ruise she's

(56:57):
one of the worst. Actually, from what I understand, she
is a woman who very famously, on April night, at
the age of twenty six, uh, got on a subway
with a Boston Marathon runners number, exited the subway and
entered the race with about half a mile ago. I

(57:19):
saw a mile give her give her a mile, man,
I saw a half mile, so let's just say not far.
We'll say three quarters of a mile, and um, what
was briefly crowned the winner, the female winner of the
Boston Marathon. And she still maintains this day that she
ran that race despite mountains of evidence, um, although no

(57:42):
physical evidence, but mountains of anecdotal evidence from people that
were saying, like, she was on the subway with me,
and we walked off the subway together, and I saw
her jump back in the race, and other people saying
she wasn't at to stop or this stop or this stop,
like we never saw her and she cheated. Yeah, And

(58:06):
supposedly they looked into her New York City marathon finish
and found that there were people who said that she
was on the subway with them for that one too,
which her story both times I think was that she
said that she was injured and just wanted to go
see the finish, and then when she got near the
finish line was like, I'm an injured runner, and like

(58:28):
people helped her back onto the The thing and the
article I read from this one guy, I can't remember
his name, but he was some sort of official. His
feeling is that she she didn't mean to win, like
that was an accident. Uh, And that she just wanted
to cheat to the race and finish, and then all
of a sudden they were like you won, and she

(58:50):
was like what, which is interesting? She's like great, Yeah,
it's a weird story. It is. Apparently she was busted
stealing sixty grand from a realty company she worked for,
I think a couple of years later, Yeah, a couple
of years later. And then the year after that, she

(59:11):
was blested for selling two keys of cocaine to an
undercover detective. Yeah, this is the last kind of person
you want to sell two keys of cocaine too. Yeah,
for real. So she had a colorful life, and I
guess still does. Why don't she's still around? Yeah? I
think she's in her sixties. Huh. Um. They've made it
much harder to cheat nowadays. There are checkpoint computer checkpoints,

(59:35):
their video checkpoints um that are hidden and you don't
know where they are. And all of this is in
an effort to uh. And I think one of those cameras,
in fact, is what eventually captured the Boston bombing, if
I'm not mistaken. Oh, is that right? I think, so
that totally makes sense. Wow, Yeah, that's so that one

(59:56):
I wanted to point out to um. Remember how Wes
said the Boston marath has been one every year since
I think, even including the year after the bombing too,
So like that. I remember in two thousand and fourteen
when they had it again otter the year after the bombing,
they were like, you know, it's a big deal. And
I didn't understand quite why I was a big deal.
I thought it was strictly because they were coming back

(01:00:17):
from the bombing. They were also saying like, we're not
about to miss a year because of those terrorists jerks.
We're going to keep Yeah, for sure, I want to
see that movie with Jack Killenhall, which one. It's the
one he plays the guy who very had that very
cheese grewesome famous picture. He lost his legs in the

(01:00:38):
bombing and uh they made a movie about his life. Oh.
I thought it was like Mark Wahlberg was in that movie.
Is that he is there another one that he was in,
because in another I think he was. I mean it's
Marky Mark. So he was the guy that saved the day.
I think he was one of the got the cops
chasing him down or special Investigator or something I don't know.

(01:00:59):
I think probably right. I don't think we need to
even see that movie to know that's exactly what it is.
I love Marky Mark though, sure man, how do you
not has a Hamburger place? Does he? Yeah? Wallburgers? Oh yeah,
that's right. So you've got anything more on wall Burgers?
All right? Neither do I, which means if you want

(01:01:20):
to know more about marathon's, go find out about how
to train for a marathon and get out there and
do it. If this floats your boat, um, And since
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coming down the pike, something called existential risks that are
big enough and threatening enough and menacing enough that they
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with at this point, and we suddenly have to figure
out how to handle them exactly correctly in the next
ten hundred years, or else we're probably going to accidentally
wipe ourselves out as a race. It's really fascinating stuff.
And sure it's a little grim and it's dark, but
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and hopefully inspirationally, because it really is. I saw um
one of the guys that interviewed said it was the
moral us and of our time, and he thinks that
we will kind of, you know, rise to the occasion.
And I hope that's the case, and hopefully this series
helps with that. Well. I can't wait. I can't wait
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