Bonus Ep: Debate Review w/ Katy and Cody

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's debating my almost certainly hopeless opponents of a fascist monster.
I'm Robert Evans. This is normally Behind the Bastards, the
podcast where we talk about the worst people in all
of history. But we're doing nothing like that today. Today,
as prep for the election podcast that Cody Johnston, Katie
Stole and I will be launching in the worst year ever,

(00:21):
we are doing an episode covering the Democratic debates, which
could not be further from the premise of my show
because none of the people involved in the debates, regardless
of my issues with them, individually, qualify as true bastards.
But it's an hour or so of free contents, like
what are you gonna do? You whine at me? Already
gave you two episodes about bastards this week, Like this

(00:43):
is just deal with it. He can't hear you, Yeah,
I can't hear you. Like complain more, but please please
do listen to the podcast. I love all of you. Yeah,
where we just thought we would get the ball rolling
on our eventual show. Yeah, we're trying to figure out
exactly what it's going to be so that we we
aren't just throwing another nonsense political podcast into a crowded

(01:06):
field of misery that makes everyone hate themselves. So like
the candidates, like the candidates, and debates themselves. So this
is a little bit of a refining process. It's kind
of like, if you're shooting missiles at the Moon, you're
gonna hit Mars a couple of times. It's just hard.
It's hard to hit the moon with a missiles. Kind
of get a few bedos up there, so you know,
this missile might hit Jupiter, we might hit Europe U,

(01:29):
we might hit the Sun, we might hit Manhattan. Either way,
the next missile we fire will be closer to the moon.
I don't know why I'm comparing this tow missiles, Jupiter
or Manhattan. Yep, okay, classic one to those are the options.
Ye hey, everybody, one way or the other. You heard
either Katie and Cody's intro or my intro. And now

(01:51):
with the actual podcast is starting, and I arrogantly grabbed
leading everyone in stole it from you both disgusting. It
is I'm a monster, absolutely not um this is this
is gonna be fun for everybody's listening who might be
confused that listens to both we're sitting here or recording
two different intros for the episode. Um, it'll cut together.

(02:13):
You know we're here, we're in it, We're with you now,
all right, we'll talk about the debates. Guys, who I
want to know? First off? Who surprised you? Who were
you discounting? And then you came into it and you're like, wow, man,
if anybody that person was interesting. I mean, I'm gonna
be honest, Looper, I know Castro's name was not at

(02:34):
all in my mind. I wasn't even really aware that
he was running, and he performed very well, really did
for debate too. I would say the person who surprised
me who was not? I mean I knew she was running,
but she was not on my radar. I think Gillibrando
a lot better than I expected. She absolutely, um she
didn't earn my vote, but she did better than I expected.
I was completely blown away that Marian Williamson was even

(02:56):
on the stage. I don't know how that over my
She got a few you really like, oh that's actually true. Yeah,
like you don't you shouldn't really be here, but what
you're saying is true. You're not wrong. Yeah, it's like
what are you doing here? And I would almost like
it if in the future. For debates, we had the
candidates and then like one person who was popular in

(03:18):
America and who just came on to like drive home
an issue like Okay, yeah, everybody, but like the ice
caps are melting in the world's dying, like maybe addressed
bring it back because the moderators definitely are going to
do that, not Chuck Todd for sure. Um so yeah,
having someone be the actual voices. Like but like, here's
what we're really talking about. One thing we've learned as
a species is that, regardless of our ability to put

(03:41):
human beings on other planets to create electric cars, we
have not invented a human being who is capable of
moderating a political thing has never happened. We need roots. Yeah,
robots maybe or or Herzog could do that. Jo you
would do that silently, like he could come to that. Yeah,
just like his presidents would would do that. One thing

(04:02):
it would help probably is fewer candidates and more hours,
but we can we can talk about that. Would you
have preferred five candidates a night for four nights? I
would have been fine with that more than what is
currently there. I would have preferred even then, like ten
candidates for four hours or like even longer. Um, Like

(04:24):
I have no problem with a longer debate, Like that's
why we're here. Uh, we have literally twenty four hour
news channels and people are like engaged in that kind
of thing, and we want to know that, oh, whoever
is going to be can like stand on a stage
for six hours and talk about the issues. And we
live in a world where people routinely will spend a
dozen hours in a weekend been watching television just to

(04:47):
chill out. Like I feel like we can devote ten
hours to debates about the future of our species. You
think it seems reasonable. It seems like it's difficult because
watching these yeah, you don't really get a clear sense
of people. These are the most important so they say,
the most important people in the world right now, right

(05:08):
and and like we're not getting that many opportunities to
get to know them outside of Twitter, outside of the
headlines that we see, the random clips that are passed around,
and you don't really have the time to hear anything,
like it's a quick SoundBite thirty seconds. Yeah, I think
in general kind of like I don't think it's exaggerating necessarily.

(05:28):
I think it's kind of shameful what they have done, like, uh,
the idea, like that's fair. Yeah, I didn't want to
oversell it, but I do. It's a shameful thing that
the media is allowed to happen. It's just it shows
that they didn't learn anything from but if they did,
they learned the wrong thing. It wasn't even just ten

(05:48):
candidates over two hours. It was ten candids over two
hours with five moderators and like a bunch of commercial breaks.
The whole thing is it's like, well, there weren't that
many commercial breaks, but yeah, there shouldn't have been any,
Like there's moderator switches. It's not that long if it
was a six hour to be like yeah, yes, one
hour and we don't like three people for one hour,
two people for the next hour. Is really is that

(06:09):
just because everybody wanted to be involved or all that
because they're from different networks? I guess yeah, it must
have been some, isn't it. No, Yeah, I don't know
either way. It was unnecessary and like no one like
no one that position isn't like oh they got like
the best question, Like I will say that I thought,

(06:29):
especially on night once Evanna Guthrie did a good job
of she could have done the whole thing, I know exactly,
and I like, I'm one of the people that like
Rachel Matto not obsessively. She's fine. She's fine. I mean,
I think that she's entertaining. She made some bad mistakes.
Are the Muller report this, I completely agree, and I

(06:50):
don't watch her show nearly as much as I used to,
but I think that she is good at breaking down
stuff and she's really good on her feet. Anyway, this
isn't about Rachel Maddow and I like her fine, but
could have just stuck with Savannah Guth, especially following up
really aggressively and keeping people on points, saying like, you
don't answer the questions. You expect a single human being
to function for four hours in a week. That's good

(07:13):
points impossible. No one cut it up, cut it up,
get more people up there, Oh I do. I did
want to mention this because this is what you asked
at the very beginning. I think Corey Booker also surprised me,
and I didn't. I wanted to give him credit where
it's due because I've I think he's corny as hell
all the time. I know, I avoided saying that but yes,

(07:37):
I agree with you completely. He's super corny and I
don't think he comes off it's very authentic. Um, But
I thought he did a really good job surprisingly so
all right, And I guess the limited time I wanted
more time to see what he had to say, I
mean everybody, because but like we were talking about, like

(08:01):
the idea that he even brought up, like African Americans
trans women in America are the idea that like he
that he in his very limited amount of time, an
issue that will not gain him a single vote because
there's very few trans first off, not like not just
said that African American trans women are being murdered at
a night Mary straight. But first I've introduced that, like
transgender people in general are victims of violent crimes at

(08:24):
huge rates. Women specified that and this is particularly a
problem within the black transgender community. The fact that he
took that time is a and I don't like the guy,
but it is a very significant credit to his first
and give him a lot of credit. I was kind
of I was surprised and kind of blown away and
that he brought it up, and also like it's because
it's no one's ever going to bring that up. I

(08:44):
don't know if it's just me being cynical when I
see him do that, because I have this idea of
him and I know that he's a politician, and I
have fears and authentic I immediately go to, are you
just saying that? But I don't. I don't want to
operate like that. And I do agree. I really appreciated it,
and I think it's important to us to say this

(09:05):
and like start saying on the debate stage that people
start getting used to this being an issue that we discuss.
I hate the Democratic Party almost like much as I
hate the Republican Party for very different reasons. But it
is a credit to the Democratic Party that the issue
of violence against trans people came up more than once
in this debate, and in spite like it is not

(09:26):
it's not a vote getter. It's an issue they could
ignore and not lose a vote. And the fact that
it has been made and not insignificant part of at
least one of the debates is a real credit to
the party. And I'll say that that matters a lot
to me. Yeah, I wanted to say that because, yeah,
well we're talking about this. William Castro was the first
one to bring on trans women and talking about healthcare

(09:48):
and how it's necessary for us to include them when
we're talking about women's reproductive rights, and I clapped. I
was sitting. It's so rare to see anything that even
vaguely resembles at a distance. If squint and take mushrooms,
courage and politics today, and that's I would. I would.
I would call standing up for trans people from a

(10:08):
mainstream politician courage. And it shouldn't be and it's horrible
that it is, but it is, and we're thrilled to
see those steps being taken. I think it's important. Even
though this was kind of a cluster fuck. We can
say that on here because it's a podcast. Um let's
call it cluster pp, cluster pep. This was this was

(10:28):
a bit of a cluster PP. I do feel good
about a lot of this stuff that we've talked about.
I do feel like even the candidates that I'm not
thrilled about people throwing out stuff. Especially on Night one.
I liked seeing Lean Castro standing up there saying I'd
like to see everybody else on the stage, the other candidates,
and you know, and that happened a couple of times.

(10:49):
In different in different capacities, and we saw it happening.
And that is the beautiful thing about this part of
the process, seeing where we land on certain issues. I
would like more in longer debates, they all radicalize each other.
And Joe Biden is wearing like a chairman mouse shirt
and shouting about taking the factories back, and that's well,

(11:09):
that's like, I'm not not but I would enjoy that
from a a fewer perspective. And then we saw a
little bit of that and it was really cool. And
I think that we've talked about leading up to this
that like like the winner of the Democratic debates is like, well,
what is the platform end up being? What are the
issues and plans of people gravitate tours? And if you

(11:30):
have ten people for two hours and five moderators, it's
really hard to get to that point. And it's actually
kind of amazing that there were a few moments like that, yeah,
you have four hours, you have you are able to
say you get two minutes to talk about this, and
if someone is like raising their hand, you can actually
say okay, actually have a conversation instead of like really

(11:51):
forcing it and trying to get the sound bites in
and so on. For the purpose of intellectual masturbation, I
would like to talk about how we'd like to see
this happen, and for my own self, what I would
enjoy saying of the same twenty candidates. If I was
picking the rules, I would want five of them to
get two hours each four nights in one week, and
then six weeks later you look at who they are
and you pick the top ten, and then you have

(12:12):
a four hour debate with the top ten. And four
hours is a long time. People might say that's unreasonable. Like,
one of the things you vote for and you should
be voting for in a president is their stamina, their
ability to function and focus for four hours of a
hard core debate. That's important because we currently have a president.
You can't do that. Yeah, And like I think a
lot of people that were in the debate tonight and

(12:33):
last night couldn't do that. Yeah. I mean, how many
lines can beato say in Spanish and English? Just one
based on the most time to talk about that? Did
everybody gasp? Everybody gasped, And that was the most likable
Corey Booker has ever been when he gave him that.
That was perfect. Yeah, that looks that look had even

(13:00):
more because we knew he was going to do it.
I think they all did it more reasonably that he
did it an issue where it was like, no, you're
just repeating your point in Spanish for no reason, and
that's weird. Yeah, brought it out really early on, and
really it was like the thing I'm going to do,
and it did have nothing and he and he made

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sure to be the first person to speak Spanish on
the floor with Latino Canada, which is the part that
was painful. Come on, man, it's not going to disagree
with the great wonderful, but obviously this whole debate isn't
in Spanish. You're doing something wondering and out of the
gate the white man that stands on tables that everybody

(13:44):
rolls their eyes at, how little self awareness does he?
If it had been if the question the first question,
if it had still been the first question, but it
had been like about immigration reform or about something directly
tied to that, as opposed to just like I'm going
to answer a question and I'm gonna do it again
in Spanish, and like what do you beto? Right? He
didn't really answer the question. Yeah, I mean I don't know.

(14:05):
He did not answer the question in either language at
a time. He's also just super fun. I'm not a
fan of Beto Rouric. He didn't win me over here. Yeah,
I don't care for him, but yeah, Julian Castro really
did um and I had zero expectations for him. Yeah,
I was not aware he was really running. Be entirely honest,
at the risk of credifying myself the people, I absolutely

(14:31):
still cannot. I didn't even know the Oprah book Lady
was going to be there, right, that was a surprise.
Every once in a while, they would towards the end
of the debate they'd go to somebody and like, wait,
have they gone to this guy yet? I'm always surprised
that John hicken Looper exists, that he looks nothing like
I imagine. It's really funny too, because it's like there
were like four hicken Loopers tonight, and there were four

(14:52):
hicken Loopers last night. Like it's just it's not but
it's not even like white Man. It's just like a
very specific type type of guy. It's it's a guy
that you wind up in line behind at the co
op buying a lot of organic so like all of
them are that guy. And I have tweeted about this
and talked about this before, and some people are like,

(15:12):
that's racist when I say specifically this type of white man.
And I'm only doing that because I'm describing literally who
it is if it was a white man, like a
Bernie who is something a different kind And I'm not
a Bernie person, but per se, but like, you know,
something unique, something different. But these guys are very hard
to differentiate between in these thirty second increments, in these

(15:34):
little snippets that we get, and they're not bringing something new,
and every every time a new person knew one of
them through their hat in the ring, it just frustrated
me a little bit because we've got all these unique
candidates that are really exciting. Well that's the other thing,
because I think that they're not They're not necessarily like
it's not like they're all the same, but like, when
you have such a limit of time, it is hard

(15:54):
to differentiate them. And there were a few moments, uh
the last night and maybe a couple tonight, we're like, oh, yeah,
that guy's right, Yeah, that's a good point that that
guy made. Wow, who the funk is he? Yeah? Where
did he go? Well, never see him him again. Now
he's gone, right, But if you had like more time
and time to breathe come back to that guy. And
now I now actually know who he is and what

(16:15):
he stands for, and how he how he's different from
all the other people on the stage. Not just that
was a good sentence I heard from somebody. If number
one news networks were not entirely a for profit endeavor
existed for the call me a crazy fucking communist here
betterment of society rather than sheer oald or value. Uh.
And if also the Democratic Party was more competent, having

(16:37):
twenty candidates at this point, that it could be real strength,
could be a great chance for adversity, is for real debate,
for inability for people to have a real choice and
to hear a lot of issues and have issues that
wouldn't otherwise get pressed in in a campaign be pushed
in just based on necessity. Um, I could see that
being a real strength. It's not the way they focused
it instead, it just it just hurts the entire cause

(16:57):
of sanity. And that's frustrating to me. Right, And they're
just like all the like, all right, we're gonna do
a real quick down the line and then they do
the one one word answers or five word answers ever,
and it's like, you're just it's just this onslaught of
yeah information, you can and nearly answers the question. The
question I will say and say they were like one
one part. I think it was just hicken Looper who

(17:18):
was just like climate change. There were a few people
who was like, okay, John, like you got me there.
It's so interesting because that stands out, whereas people that say, well,
go run off and start listening, shoving as many words
as they can into that ten seconds. But the people
that are concise and answered I did stand out in
those moments. Um. Yeah, I hated everyone's answer to the

(17:40):
question who is the biggest threat to America? Because in
a sane debate, my opinion is there's one answer, and
it's oh, the biggest threat to America is Americans. It
will always be, it has always been, and there's no
one else that comes close. Run for president. Yeah, sure,
I will. I agree. It's frustrating the just these media

(18:01):
twerps Chuck Todd, bothers, hello me and he has forever
and he didn't change my mind. He's not good. He
didn't win me over. I'm not gonna job. Quick question, Cody,
how many times do you think you could buy and
sell you? Oh? As many as I could. I could start,
I could start counting now, and by the time this
episode is done, that number would be less than the actual.

(18:23):
The best thing about capitalism is is the meritocracy. I believe.
I believe that. I believe in that, and I believe
that you think that too, big fan of the meritocracy,
which is really a thing that happens. Chuck Todd deserves everything. Um,
he has good, his job, fantastic, a real real smart cookie. Uh.
The first time the last night at the going down

(18:44):
the line, like what do you think about that? And
then they do their their quick answers. He's like, ah,
this is my favorite part. This is the good part,
you know, the part where you really get into it.
What Chuck fuck? I will say the best part of
these two debates, and I can't imagine even another competitor
is Kamala Harris, who I don't like because she's a cop.

(19:05):
Really fucking grilling Biden about that awesome. That was fucking great. Yeah,
that moment of night too for sure for me, was
that and emotional about it. You could tell she was
damn near at tears when she finished, or fighting for composure,
tell like it really affected her and she really meant it.

(19:25):
At the same time, like she was going to do
that no matter what, like she was planning on, like
we're gonna talk about this on stage, and that's what
we've been talking about for a long time. Like I
can't wait for Joe Biden to be next to people
who actually talked to him about this stuff. I was,
I mean, Bernie didn't really go after Joe Biden, and
we were expecting that, but I'm thrilled. Yeah, it was

(19:46):
so good. And again this is one of those things
like there he did not look her in the eye.
He did, man, he gave her, He gave her a glance,
and then he looked away. He could he could not
do it. He got mad. Yeah, you know, as a journalist,
your goal is to try to be to look at
things from an objective point of view. As a podcast,
your your goal is not that. And I find myself
time between the two and I feel like I feel

(20:09):
like I need to emphasize I very much dislike Kamala
Harris I just and I do not like the idea
of voting for a prosecutor. I think her job, the
job that she did for years is fundamentally and evil
to the world. She fucking nailed that. That was perfect,
And I completely agree with you. I those are all
of my reservations against Kamala. And when I talk to

(20:32):
people about it, you know, some people don't like that.
I don't like Kamala, And um, I'm capable even fucking
credit where it's do. Yeah, she's so good at that,
and she's so good in all the Senate hearings. She's
so and that's the prosecutor in her. She's concise, she's smart,
and she's aggressive and and that showed tonight. And one

(20:54):
of the things that I really liked about the moment
because she is she is concise, she's very polished, he's
very good at speaking. I liked the raw emotion, especially
at the very end. And I really everyone find that
find that, like the YouTube video of this, and like
really look at after she delivers her last word. What
you see on her face is like something you get
so rarely in national politics, is like real emotion that

(21:17):
moved her body like and that's important to see. Yeah,
and I really liked to see her and she had
to sort of take a moment and likes it as
it should have. Well, because that's also like that's like
a scary thing to do on a stage. Character and courage,
and I impressed by her. Some people would skew that

(21:43):
as being emotional, and some kinds of people are dumb.
I want I want to know that my I want
to know that my president has human emotions. The most
I've ever been sympathetic to Donald Trump is hearing that
his daughter described him what chemical weapons did to kids,
and that he had a gut reaction to it. I
want that, like he didn't do anything effective about it,

(22:04):
Like you want to know that, like the presidents of
human being hear something and be like, well fuck it,
we got to take action this, this can't be allowed
to happen. Yeah. Absolutely, yes, I create all completely. I
think it's funny. At some pointed out I think this
is perfect that so like Kamal took a moment to
call Joe Biden racist, Well, she said, I'm not calling

(22:25):
you racis. And if you guys need reminding, this was
about the issue about bussing students and how how how
Biden was against bussing and children into different districts. If
I'm not mistaken, she was supposed to have had a
thirty second time or on that. Nobody even thoughts about that.

(22:47):
I love that. I was. I was like, well, she
blew past for a while, it's are they going to stop?
That was well done to say like, well, this is
the moment that we need to let breathe. I feel
like Walter Cronkite's ghost would write you down for trying
to stop that questioning that would that would have been
the most embarrassing moment if if someone tried to stop

(23:07):
her from let her speak, Like God, Chuck, shut the
funk up. But he didn't do was yeah to hut
In Todd's credit, Chuck Todd was like, yeah, this needs
to happen. Chuck Todd's credit, he didn't do anything. Yeah,
so the best thing he's done is not anything. Um
but I think all this is really funny that in

(23:27):
response to that, so obviously Joe Biden got really really mad,
but like so she called him racist and then in
response he called her a cop. Yeah. It's like, oh, so,
like you're just like living Twitter out right now. Like
you're doing it all. I would have loved it if
Joe Biden. The only thing you could have gotten it
to get my my support after that is if he'd
called her a cop, put on a black mask, and

(23:49):
then spray painted the Antifa, that would have been amazing. Yeah,
just just fucking Joe Biden goes like full banks e. Yeah,
I think he really did a bad job tonight. Oh yeah,
he wasn't He wasn't great. I mean after that, like
there was no going background because it made him so mad,
I think, and even before that, before that, and again
in terms of like theoretically things that he could have

(24:11):
done during my support if he'd just been like, you're right.
I came up in a different era. I learned things
that were wrong, and I was wrong then and you
are right now. Let me explain why I still think
I can do a good job as president. And that's human.
That's why the night well, the night before when Tulsea
talked about this, and we've got the various opinions, but
like saying, like I think a lot of people watching

(24:34):
can relate to growing up in a conservative household and
growing and change your mind, and I was like, that
is exactly what you say as someone who hate like
I hate Tulsa Gabard. I also grew up hating gay
people because of how I was raised, and I identified
with that statement, and that was a very good way
for her to answer. That's how you address it, because
because it's true, yeah, or people and hiding for hiding

(24:55):
from it is a real mistake handled that question about
the shootings in his town. And at the start at
in to it, yes, I completely agree, um, but that
was human and honest and him saying like, I don't
know this is this is a nightmare and it's very difficult.
We could I couldn't get it, I said, I couldn't

(25:16):
get That gutted me a little bit. I was like,
not gutted me, but hit me in a way of
like I just so deeply appreciated saying And this is
where so I'm getting a little bit like off here,
but this is where I get to like the fundamental
issue of of of the still king, the lurking ghost
of authoritarianism that is at the core of every system
in the world that's still left over the days when

(25:38):
we were ruled by kings. The fact that an acceptable
answer that question wouldn't have been Buddaget going. We couldn't
get it done. This is a nightmare. Nobody knows how
to fix this entirely, and the only answer will come
from sustained, long term nationwide dialogue to figure out how
to fix this problem, because it's not a problem that
can be solved by a person at the top. It's

(25:59):
a problem that starts from the bottom and percolates up,
like the solution starts from the bottom and percolates. That's
we'll see. That's another reason why Mary Ann Williamson was like,
she's she's right. Was the one when she said that.
I was like, why are you derailing? This is weird?
And then she got to it was like, oh, she's right.
That is it's exactly what you just said. When she

(26:19):
was talking about how like it's not just I mean,
it seemed like it was sort of getting into like
a holistic medicine where she she went to some weird digressions,
but like the idea of and she also called like
universal health care and like whether I have medical for
all that's like superficial solutions, which I don't necessarily agree with,
but like the idea of just like degree with that right,

(26:40):
But like, why do people get sick? Why do we
have these problems? What are the roots of these problems?
And we have to we have to be able to
talk and and really explore what causes the problems that
we're making policies to solve the symptoms of that. She
doesn't she doesn't think she's gonna win, and I don't think,
you know, I think us the ensley of this of

(27:01):
the second like knows he's not going to be the
presidential candidate. He just wants to make sure climate change
gets talked about. They're all they're all doing the gravel
thing or and it might take a while for that
to seep in, but it is true. What are the
other things that are factoring into this bigger problem? Can
I throw in a free at plug? Sure? Try sandwiches

(27:22):
They're great, They're just great. Yeah, any sandwich really good
concept bread and then things in between the great idea.
Try a sandwich. I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren.
I love talking about Elizabeth Warren. Are you a couple
of Warren bros? Yes, babe, No, I am You're nothing.

(27:43):
Comprehensively planned out and logical solutions to basic problems, Bro
wild wild stuff a problem. She's got a plan for that.
It's not the number of plots that she has plans for,
it's that she specifically the things that she's focused on
most seemed to be like breaking up big tech all
the fucking Nazis, which literally has a billboard that says

(28:07):
break up big Tech. Like it's so simple. Yeah good,
it's also real quick, just something that's been bothering me.
Um because like the whole breaking up big tech and
and that is I think an issue that everyone can
kind of come together. It's the right and the left thing.
It's extremely frustrating to watch that the rights concerned about

(28:30):
big tech is solely about conservatives being censored because would
like everyone else to be banned from existing, right, Like
I know why. It's like not the right, it's but
the people who are part of that grift are literal
Nazis in many cases, right, And like there's a there's
a clear like goal um and mission from a lot

(28:51):
of them. But like just like you see Ted Cruz
and he's he's like in in uh in the hearing
and he's like concerns sounds. It's like no, no no, no,
that's not the reason. Like there. It's just very bizarre,
and it's not the reason because like David NewART, who
is like, one of the things I do for a
living is anti fascist research. David NewART is the very

(29:12):
best of us who got banned from Twitter for the
fact that his book cover had a stylized image of
a guy in a clan hood on it because this
book is about racist groups in America, and he got
banned from Twitter for weeks. Like David knew, it's not
a conservative. The problem isn't that Twitter bands conservatives. The
problem is that Twitter's decisions as to who to ban
are completely consistent, have nothing to do with their actual
written rules, and are often done by random robots and

(29:33):
then justified post facto by individual human beings trying to
avoid like making a bad news cycle. And that's dumb.
Agree completely. We're talking about Elizbeth Warren. I'm sorry for
Elizabeth Warren. Okay, So in terms of her debate performance,
I feel personally that she stood out, you know, different phrases,

(29:53):
heads and shoulders, miles ahead of all the other candidates.
She is the person that answers the fun in question.
That is true, she answers the question question she doesn't pivot.
You see, some are like it's so basic, but everybody
else will take it and pivot to something that feel
comfortable talking about. It makes me, even Bernie he did

(30:14):
it tonight, makes me people avoid talking about a race
racial issue to start talking about, you know, your comfort
zone and it's he's got the message that he sticks
to and why they want you to do that, but
it's it's not authentic and you're not actually you're not
answering whenever. You know, there were so many times when

(30:35):
like one of the modern is just like, Okay, I'm
going to give you twelve more seconds. Do you wanna
answer the direct question? Like they like, I love the
wording because that really do you want to answer? The
direct question? Was said a lot like the phrase direct
brother and Elizabeth to Elizabeth Warren. And you mentioned, you
know that moment with Kamala you see her her humanness

(30:58):
in that moment. But I I felt that with Elizabeth
Warren on most of her answers that I wasn't just
looking at a politician. And we talked about this earlier,
how maybe she didn't always have the canned line answer. No,
she did, So if I were to like evalue Elizabeth
warren'shul performance. Her her first answer and her last answer,
we're both very polished, very well scripted, what a progressive

(31:22):
politician would say in a movie. And between then she
talked like a normal person having a conversation with you,
which is why I would say from a presentation standpoint,
she did not come across the best because she came
across as a person who is thinking through answers and
having a conversation with you, trying to answer them, which
I don't know if it is a weakness or strength,
because Donald Trump comes across as a drunken farmer um

(31:45):
when and like anyone the presidency, that turned out to
be great, and we're all if fucking exhausted of people
who sound like politicians, and she sounds she sounded like
a politician, like a good politician at the first and
last answer. In between she sounded like a person trying
to find some oceans. Yeah, that'sated with but I understand,

(32:05):
like that's it's just important to note that that is
very true, um, and different people are going to take
that in different ways. For me, I found it refreshing. Also,
she taught special ed and UH as a person who
taught special and was bad at it. I didn't know
that about you. I did and was bad at it.
My job was mostly to get punched in the face.

(32:28):
But having literally gone to war zones and been shot at,
I can't imagine a harder job than teaching special education.
Anybody who dedicates a chunk of their life to doing that,
except for me, because I was at it is a hero.
Your mother does, right. Yeah, and to have a president

(32:48):
who I understand that. Yeah, I want to talk a
little bit about her. I don't have the answer to this,
but maybe you guys do. I've seen a lot of
pushback or some amount to with Warren online um specifically
about her stance on Palestine as well as Medicare for all.
Do you guys know anything about that? I've heard about

(33:08):
the Medicare for all of heard what the fun is
she saying about? Actually don't know. I don't think that
she has a hard stance against Israel, And I think
the point I don't. I don't know. Try imagining anyone
having a hard stance against Ariel and running for president
in the United States. But that's the thing. I think
that seems like everyone is the same, Like no one.
No one is is making that an issue for them.

(33:31):
No one's trying to make themselves stand out. Actually, I
think a lot of people and people even have been
deeming me being like, I'm concerned about your support of
warrant because of her really, because of her stands and
Palestine and and what what have they specified on what
they're concerned about. She doesn't seem to have a lot
of empathy towards Palestinians, then yeah, I would consider that
an issue. And yeah, that's what I will say, And

(33:54):
what I can say without being more certain better specific views,
is that, like I'm sure she has more empathed with
Palestine than Donald try. Yeah, that's where yeah, and all do. Yeah,
And I guess that she was for Medicare for all
and then seemed to take a step but now she's
all in, seems, and she waffled on it. I think
she mainly waffled on because it's just not one of
the core issues that she's focused on. And I mean

(34:16):
she literally said I'm with Bernie on this one. Yeah,
so fine. I think we have to take word for them.
And it's one of those things where like part of
what you're voting for is not what the candidate espouses
and what they believed all the career, but whether or
not they are a sane person who could be pushed.
You will not push a Republican to make It's like
with climate change. Joe Biden, who I don't like if

(34:36):
he is elected president, doesn't have a good policy and
climate change right now, doesn't have a great history with
climate change. But I do firmly believe could be pushed
by a Democratic elector who cared about climate change to
embrace effective policies to address it purely because he wants
to win re election and because he's a political animal.
Donald Trump will never do that. I believe that he
could be pushed during this process. I believe that we

(34:59):
could get him saying X, Y or Z, and I
think he'd go along with a Democratic Senate and House.
You might take any step on. That's why I don't
think that's what we need. I mean, I think I'm
preaching to the choir here, but I'm not talking about
what we need. But just like if we're talking about
should you vote for Biden if it's Biden or Trump, Yes,

(35:21):
but I do feel like that has to be like
it's the kind of thing where it's like there's a
lot of criticisms to lot against everybody on the stage,
and there's a lot of reasons to not like Biden.
But if he was president right now, we would have
a lot of the same problems we have, but children
wouldn't have died in concentration camps. Yeah, and that's that's
not nothing to me. That's not nothing. I'm also trans

(35:43):
wouldn't be banned from serving the military. I'm mostly I'm
just I'm mostly worried about post Biden and who they like,
who the Republican candidate is after I hate the idea
of the election. I think that the response to Joe
Biden would be someone smarter than Donald Trump, who am

(36:04):
still embodies the same kind of things, and that's totally
super reasonable. I just think for how terrible these years
have been with Donald Trump, the sort of positive that
you can take away is that we everybody's riled up
in a way and paying attention in a way that
we maybe never been before. And if any of these
big broad changes that we we dream about happening are

(36:28):
going to happen, they're going to happen now because everybody's engaged.
And I just feel in my bones that getting Biden
in there would be a huge step back from all
It would bum me out in a way that I
actually fear now long for him. I don't think he's
gonna make it. It seems like he's been bleeding support

(36:50):
at a rate that makes me think it may not
be sustainable. That said, again, as somebody like you know,
you've got the part of me who's like trying to
approach this as what I believe in a part this
prender approach as a journalist, he has really fucking solid
support among the black and Latino community. It's so interesting. Um.
It's the same thing with Hillary Clinton. Is what I

(37:11):
argued with Bernie people a lot during the election, is
just like, no, she objectively won a larger chunk of
the non white Democratic vote than he did, by a
substantial margin. And that's not because of the d n C.
It's because she devoted a lot of time to campaigning
in those areas, any of those communities, And you have
to acknowledge that. I'm curious how true that will be
for Biden. I am curious how that especial. We're very

(37:34):
early yet, um, and he's yeah, I think it's just
been a lot of It's been a lot of name
recognition and a lot of the like he was Obama's
VP the Institution and just like the idea of Joe Biden.
And then as time went on, more and more stuff
came out about him that should have been talked about,
maybe when he talked about trying to be vice president,
all that kind of stuff, And now that you have

(37:56):
actual people on stage introducing those things, I just don't
think he'll I don't think Yeah, that's my hope, that's
my hope, because like, he did not do well tonight.
I know he was not the standout. No, he looked
he looked real bad tonight. Let's talk about gun control.
We gotta talk about gun control. Both debates did. I
didn't like what anybody had to say Um, which is

(38:18):
usually the case when I hear Democrats talk about gun control.
UM swallows the guy I like the least one of
the issues I have with him, and I I want
to make it clear to the listeners that as a
guy who owns a shipload of guns, I've never voted
on guns. I will never vote on guns. I do
not make any of my voting decisions based on people's
gun policies I make because like, if I were voting

(38:38):
on that, then I would be throwing all of my
gay and trans and non white friends under the bus.
I would throw the climate under the bus. And I'm
not going to do that. That said, uh, when Swallow
made the statement that like, I don't care about your
handguns and your shotguns of gun crimes and murders are
committed with handguns and shotguns. You look at all of
the top guns that actually people in this country all handguns,

(39:01):
he didn't care about them, he said, I'm not I
have no issue to go. I have no issues with that.
I want to go sized problem because I'm not gonna
say mass shooting center problem, but like really small chunk
of gun crime, actually really small chunk, which doesn't mean
we don't address it. But like the assault weapon focus
is always because it's an easy way out. That's scary.

(39:23):
They look, they look, they look scary, and and that's
an easy talking point, Like, Okay, we can all agree that, yeah,
no more handguns. No one wants to say. What the
real issue is that that is really fucking attractable difficult.
Is that there are a couple of simultaneous truths number one.
One of the single most important laws of this country

(39:45):
built into its nervous system, it's fucking spinal cord, is
the right to bear arms. The vast majority of gun
deaths in this country are suicides, and no restriction of firearms,
save a total ban on gun ownership, we'll stop people
from being able to kill themselves with guns. That's the

(40:06):
single that's the issue that nobody talks about because there's
no real way to address it. Mass shootings people do discuss,
and I think they tend to get wrong, but like
that's one of those things. And this is one of
the issues again where I have with people like Swabow
who talk about like gun buy backs, where it's like
you realize there's a Constitution and there's the Supreme Court,
and there's like that, like that there's a body of law,
and like what you are saying might not be legal,

(40:28):
and in fact has been categorical bands on weapons after
d C versus Heller, like r I'm constitutional, And again
there are states with individual sault weapons bands, so you
could argue, but those assault weapons bands, like California has
assault weapons ban, and I was still able to own
an our fifteen and a K forty seven because their
Assault Weapons Band did not ban semi automatic weapons. They
banned certain features on weapons which didn't actually make it.

(40:51):
Because again, the most recent mass shooting we had in
California where we had like twelve dead, was thousands of
shootings we've done with a clock handgun. I think I
really wish we had people talking about guns in the
Democratic Party and how to effectively legislate them and restrict
them that understood them. Um. And I also wish people
understood the fact that Bodhadeer served in the military does
not mean he knows a damn thing about guns. Some

(41:13):
of the dumbest people about guns served in the military
aspect soldier. Yeah. Yeah, uh that's my rantin Monopolize that
that that's what was here for. Um. Yeah, this suicide
thing is a real problem and concern, and uh, it's
one of those things that is linked to so many

(41:34):
other problems again and it kind of gets to what
Mary Anne Williams was talking about, how do you, like,
what are the things that are causing this? Um And
you don't hear a lot of people even talking about,
like when you talk about universal health care and medicare
for all those things like mental health is important and
like people don't Uh, A lot of people don't have

(41:54):
anyone to talk to, and uh, if you give them
that outlet helps with a lot of problem. I don't know,
like I have the idea of like, well, no, we
if you give everyone the mental and physical care that
they need, that a lot of these problems not immediately,
but like over time time. You'll see. It's just like Switzerland,

(42:14):
every adult pretty much has an assault rifle in their home.
I did not know that, Yeah, because they're everyone who
serves in the military, which is like most of the
adult population. Maybe I'm getting an exact but a lot
of people should I get and they take their weapons
home with them and it's a G thirty six C,
which is a pretty potent gun. Um. Also, you know,
I had an editor at a website I wrote with
who was Swiss, and when she got pregnant, Uh, she

(42:38):
and her husband both got like six or seven months
of maternity paternity leave, which is part of like the
package that they get. Like, and I think, you know,
there's a lot of other stuff at play as too.
If you're trying to wonder like why they Swiss don't
have mass shootings and we do. Um, because one thing
that the right brings up a lot when they talk
about gun controls, like look at Switzerland, they all have
machine guns, and like they don't commit nearly as many
crimes as US. It's got to be a separate issue.

(42:58):
They're not entirely wrong. Um, it's wrong to blame every
mass shooting on mental health because that unfairly stigmatized tonically
old people. But it's also wrong they pretend that like
the fact that most like therapy is something that has
proven benefits for virtually everyone who engages in it, and
the vast majority of Americans could not possibly afford to
engage in a therapist, reject the concept of it, but

(43:20):
also couldn't afford it even if they didn't. That's a problem. Yeah,
it's a problem in a place where also, while you
can't afford a therapist for the cost of four hours
of therapy, US could buy an air fifteen. Yeah. That's
that's an issue to me as a guy who you
can get them as cheap as forner Bucks, very cheap. Yeah. Yeah,
that's like a month of therapy. Yea maybe, But none

(43:42):
of our but none of our conversations about guns include this,
No they don't, and that's what then when they do,
it's sort of in a reductive way that like doesn't
really yeah, well it's similar to mean, this is a transition,
but all of our conversations about immigration rarely include talking
about going into Latin America. Going into the being the debate,

(44:08):
it was addressed like we kind of fucked up Latin
America what with the wars we can unbelievable. I mean
I was truly yeah, well I was really impressed by
that especially it was especially impressive, like it was it
did seem like the majority of people on the stage
new and said that. Yeah, for all that, I and
all of us, I'm sure will continue to shoot on

(44:29):
the Democratic Party in frustration for the next year and
a half. Kudos on both really focusing on trains people
in how America sucked up Latin America. It really is
a credit to the point even Biden was like, by
the way, like we gave like millions of hundred millions
of dollars and sucked right, yeah, and then they stopped
it and like here like it started to reduce the
number of people and then here we are maybe like guys,

(44:51):
you remember like the Marshall Plan, like the single most
effective thing that our government ever did, maybe in its
whole history. Maybe that again. No, Germany and Japan don't
seem like you're doing. How many they both reverted to
fascism so many times since, constant to do it, so
many built the country that famously still fascist statesman. I

(45:18):
remember how Japan has continued to invade China for the
last eighty years. We all remember, We all remember the
things that happened in real life and not making incredible products.
I love products and services and services speaking of what
cheers And no we're not doing yeah um yeah, No,
that was a great surprise. I was very surprised actually,

(45:43):
Like cler last and the first night remind me of
like you're a friend in high school, her mom that
you never wanted to be stuck young with, but every
now and then you get stuck with her and she
actually says something, not a bad person that she makes
it perfect, Like where you guys going tonight? Yeah? Wait,

(46:06):
no club? Sorry, I was thinking of nonsense. The short
brown clar is the one that eats with a comb
and is mean to her Yeah, in a pinch, which
is fine. She's resourceful. Gila Brand is the mom who,
like you think that you wouldn't want to be alone
with and like you kind of dread it, but then

(46:26):
you do and she's like the cool mom. You smoked weed. Yeah,
she's a yeah. I'm not slandering her spreading rumors. All
I'm saying if you walk up to Christine Gilabrand, she
will give you weed. Um. Did like everyone take that
to heart? Last night didn't have as many I don't.

(46:46):
I didn't don't remember them talking about that aspect of
the immigration point. But I don't like that brought up
the economic comperative of immigration, and that is another thing
that I don't see people talking about enough. We're like
freaking out about everything that's happened in the border, and
nobody's really hammering down the point that we actually are
in a situation where we need immigrants. We have a

(47:06):
dearth in the service industry. What are old people going
to do without them? I'm all of our companies my
mom grew I grew up with My mom has is
a caterer, had a catering company, and we relied and
she had all sorts of different like Hispanic Hispanic immigrants
that worked for her, and she paid them well and
she gave them healthcare. And you know, and not that

(47:27):
my mom was an amazing person, but they were part
of it was imperative. Nobody else would take that job.
Is amazing person. She is an amazing person. Nobody we
we needed them, she needed them, and they were better
than everybody else. Yeah. Yeah, it's um one of the
things that eternally frustrates me. And then I frustrated me
with Bernie Sanders, who was a guy who I know

(47:48):
on an emotional personal note, when the rest of my
family went for Trump and broke my heart in one
of the people who raised me, my aunt, who is
a lifelong Republican, voted for Bernie Sanders, and the fact
that because she was like I think he's the only
honest man in the election, and he will always have
a piece of my heart for that. I am eternally

(48:10):
frustrated with his insistence that borders are important, and I know,
I know, this is a ridiculous hope. I will never
have a party in either side of this country, left
or right, who feels the way I do about borders,
which is that they are a cancer destroying our entire species,
and that until we get past the concept we have
no hope of long term survival. That's just me being

(48:31):
a wild eyed radical. But I wish Bernie Sanders had
said funck all Borders thrown a smoke bomb and skateboarder
out of the that would have been sick. Skateboard punched
him right out the door the debate. Yeah, and then yeah,
insulted him in Spanish or something. Yeah, I called him

(48:51):
a fucking put Yeah. Who do you think is going
to make it to the next round? Do? How do
we eliminate people? Do we know? I think it Isn't
it just like about the amount of PA pularity that's
pulling and stuff? Right? Yeah, it seems like that would
be the only same way to do it. All I
want to see I want to see I guess Warren, Bernie,
But I do want to bring up one other thing.

(49:12):
Get frustrated the funk out of me one person Unless
I'm missing my guests on the first debate because I
missed a little chunk of it because I was in
trance all was listening. I think one person in both
debates brought up white supremacy and it was fucking Joe Biden. Yeah,
so yeah, that's disappointing. That's disappointing. I mean, good on you, Joe,
Like we're not we're not trying to be like one
of those fucking nothing but nihilistic podcasts here. So I'm

(49:34):
gonna give people credit where it's due. He brought it up,
He brought it on. Everyone should have because of all
the dead people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's You're right that
there's an alarming lack of that. So he gets credit
for that in my book. For that, I don't think
he's any kind of plan. It's a plan. I also
don't think he's really careble of talking about it in
a way where he really understands it. It really and

(49:56):
like I think it's kind of the negative of that
when like his first question, I forget even what the
question was, but like one of the first words that
came out of his mouth with Donald Trump, and it
seems like that's just the literal. His whole thing is
just like, oh, the Charlottesville and Donald Trump and it's
bad in the soil of over country. But like he
doesn't really know where it's coming from or like why

(50:16):
or he brought it. He had Charlotte'sville and a couple
of my friends were in the ad that he put
up first. I saw that. Yeah, Like I will say,
also in credit to her, she didn't bring it up
in the debates, and she should have. But Elizabeth Warren
has suggested plans and made it a focus of her campaign.
I did not know that. Yeah, she's talked about that,
like white supremacy needs to be probably need to start
prosecuting these people's domestic terrorists, which we're not currently doing.

(50:40):
I think she should have said. That's my big bummer
about Elizabeth warrenh how do you not do that? It's
a fucking debate, Elizabeth talk about it. Well, they don't
have very much time, but that's kind of a big one.
I do agree that's disappointed she didn't bring it up.
But Joe Biden thing seems like it's kind of lip

(51:01):
surface and like it's like, oh, I know that people
care about this, and it's like a hot button emotional
topic that can bring up, as opposed to knowing where
it comes from and what to feel about it and
call it lip service. If he wasn't the only fucking
person images because no one else said anything, So like, yeah,
he brought it up. Anything that I'd like to keep

(51:22):
an eye out for the next one. Are there other
things that you guys want to see people talking about
in the next debates? You know, the most frustrating moment
for me was when they got asked what they would
do if they could deal with one problem, and like
two people brought up climate change, and like someone brought
up like guns, and someone brought up about like like
income for families and stuff, and it's like, yeah, man,

(51:43):
both both gun control and improving family income are important,
but like you know, the planets burning up, like no
other answer. But the most important thing is to stop
the environment from collapsing. Nothing else is that important. It's
the literally the thing that I need. Yea, I will
not vote for you unless you've got anoledgs just better

(52:06):
and warrant. I think who said climate change? That was
the first debate the second once people said it, I
don't even picking Looper and whoever else. I do not
like the answer, Like, well, the first thing I do
is to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean at least that's acknowledging climate change. We need

(52:26):
much more than Gilibrand was the only one with a
really good answer on like that. Yeah, So speaking of
what people want to see, one of the things we're
doing here, you know, we're trying to provide all of
you with an effective and useful podcast series about this
election that keeps you informed and hopefully helps not just

(52:48):
drive interests but relieve stress and uh, provide some value
to people trying to navigate what will be the worst
year of all of our lives two thousand and twenty UM.
And we wanna, you know, not just talk about what
we thought about this election, but also because the people
we assume are listening to this of the folks who
like us the most, and the folks will be the

(53:09):
core of the audience of our new podcast, The Worst
Year Ever, We want to open the ship up to
your suggestions about what you want to hear covered, what
you want to see addressed you, what you want to
see us go into. Because there is a crowded field
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and I don't want to make a frustrating and unlistenable podcast,
And I don't want to make a reflexively ideological podcast,

(53:31):
which I hope we've avoided in this and sort of
dealing with the people as they present come later Joe
Biden a couple of times. Yeah, he didn't. Um. So
we have an email and we want you to reach
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(53:53):
going to be doing a podcast Katie Coney and I
the Worst Year Ever, where you know, I think we
should give them a little bit of an idea of
like what we are currently planning to hit in that. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah,
I mean you want to because I've just been ranting. Yeah,
I mean, like a lot of this stuff. I think
one of one of the things I think we all
agree on is that we're not going to uh, we're
gonna do our best to avoid making it the Trump

(54:14):
Show at all, um, and it's not going to be
about him. It's not gonna be other things he says
or the stuff he tweets about it. And I like
that about these debates. Also, yes, we talked about for
the most part, they really avoided it. Yeah, I wouldn't
making him the focus, which is very good, and so
we're gonna avoid that. We want to talk about, Um,
what they're actually talking about and the issues there and

(54:37):
how they actually affect people, and like talking to talking
to people and what affects them. Um, we will be
going to various conventions throughout the year about stuff like
the shot show. See yes, yeah obviously like the Iowa Caucus.
We'll go to the concus will go to the event
and see yeah, um what it was the autism Now
I think we're going to go which is like a
crazy convention of people who think that it's not like

(54:59):
a norm a loutism thing. It's like a convention of
people who think you can shoot bleach up your kids,
but to cure autisms. We want to Like those people
are political, I want to I want to know the election,
but you want to you want to know where they're
coming from and what they care about and like maybe
how you can bring them back a little bit. So
if there are any issues or groups of people or

(55:21):
ideas that you have things that you would like to
have more insight into that we should look into. We
really want to hear your suggestions and things you can
do and like, yeah, so the email is worst Year
tips at gmail dot com. That's correct, right, and not

(55:42):
tips on how to have the worst year ever because
we know the answer to that exist just your tips
and it's it's it's mixing acid with two C. Don't
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to see I an acid bang bad idea. We got

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drug guru on this journey. I guess that's the end
of our our debate. I think so. Yeah, it's been

(56:32):
real fun. It's been real fun. Actually it has been.
I've enjoyed. This has been great. It's more than the debates. Yes,
this is the best part. I want to ask one
quick question. Were moving on to the next thing. Do
y'all think Joe Biden is a better kisser than Bernie
Sanders Because I feel like Joe has the pass. I

(56:54):
think he might be I think he might be a
good kisser depends on how wanted the kisses. Now, that's
an important point we're talking about, because Bernie does double
consent checks, signs a contracts on board. I don't know
that Bernie's that interested. I mean, I think he's just

(57:15):
got a lot going on. I'm assuming Bernie's down, like
maybe we have some sort of pheromone spray so we
know that the interest is there. No, I can't imagine
being kissed by Bernie. You can't imagine being kissed by
Bernie or either of them, really, But I think that
I think that Joe Biden cares about making sure his
kisses are good. I don't know. I do think Joe
Biden cares about that. I will say I can imagine

(57:39):
being on a beach and in Sonata and like sort
of the wind blowing through my hair and like a
little bit of sand in between my toad selling it
sipping a No, I'm talking about Bernie sipping a little
bit of like a nice like mescal, and Bernie Sanders
puts his hand on my shoulders and leans into me
and whispers into my ear. But I care for all

(58:00):
unachievable dream and works and most of the developed world
and that's the thing. Whereas like I feel like, um,
Bernie can sweet Talkie, Bernie can, Bernie can get to
your soul, Bernie can get to your emotions. Bernie cares
about sweet talk. Sure, I don't think. I think it

(58:20):
depends on like who you are, you know, you know, idealistic,
strong in their convictions, socialist. Is you think I think
he can get you going? I just don't think he's
like a sexual being. But I think that Joe Biden
probably has spent a lot of time. Yeah, um, and

(58:42):
I think that we know that. I also think he
probably would get a really good shoulder Rep. I will
say one thing that would make almost make Biden being
the Democratic candidate worth it, as if the competing hats
of were make America great Again and just Biden Fox
just we can make those shirts, but our shirts. Honestly,

(59:04):
if it we're literally anybody Budda, Judge, Fox, they all,
if they all, we all fuck. Except for Beto. I'm
not gonna believe it does not fuck. Hes not he
doesn't know what He just doesn't know what to do.
He's all he's all thumbs, you know, he's just he's
just like ranting single words in Spanish like a white

(59:24):
boy trying to like shop in Guatemala. Do a kick flip? Yeah,
I hope he's gone by the next one. He's such
a dork. Yeah, Okay, that's it for tonight. Um, we
love you very much. It's true. We do, we do.