Jair Bolsonaro: The President Who Promised to Kill 30,000 People

In episode 32, Robert is joined by actor and activist Behzad Dabu to discuss Jair Bolsonaro, a murderous nutjob who was elected the President of Brazil.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
H Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once
again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
everything you don't know about the very worst people in
all of history. Today with me my guest, who is
Who's coming in cold to our tale of a Bastard
is Beza Dabu, an actor on the Shy and and
How to Get Away with Murder? How are you doing today?

(00:20):
I'm great? How are you? I'm doing good? So you
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we're gonna get into the story. Now, let's do it.

(01:45):
You're ready to talk about a bastard? Uh? Do you
know who? Jayer boltson arrow Is. I've heard about him
a little bit. I keep hearing that he's sort of
like the Trump of Brazil. Yeah, and it's frustrating because
I think that, like, just because of where we are
in America politically, it now any time a populist gets
elected around the world like it's the Trump of Austria, right,
because it makes us understand down to the brass tacks. Yeah,

(02:08):
we can. We can discuss at the end whether or
not you think that title is fair. I would say
he reminds me more of a guy like Rodrigo dou
tete Um. But you know, we'll kick it into there
and we'll see how you feel at the end. I
saw a meme and I wasn't sure if it was
true or not, but I saw a meme with a
picture of his face and all kinds of horrible things
he said around it, and I was like, wow, he
is a quotable piece of ship in a way that like, like,

(02:31):
to be honest, This is part of why I'm frusted
and people call him like the Brazilian Trump, because's like, no,
Donald Trump wishes he could get away with saying this
kind of ship. Really, I mean maybe in a year
or two, it will be okay. Maybe in six months
it will be okay for the president to say the
kind of things that Bolsonnaro is saying. But it's pretty intense, alright.
So on March one, one day and thirty three years

(02:53):
before my birthday, if you're keeping track, listeners, A Linda Bontii,
a woman in Luce Ario, Sal Paul, Brazil, gave birth
to a squirming and blood covered baby named JayR Messiest Bolsonaro.
This little squealing baby would eventually grow into the squealing
President of Brazil, JayR Bulsonnaro. His route to what really
seems like it might be absolute power is one that
would have seemed unlikely about three years ago, but is

(03:15):
by now pretty familiar. I'm gonna quote from a Time
article on Jayre written back in August. Quote Trump maybe
politically incorrect, but bilson Naro goes way way further. In
this interview alone, he advocated the possibility of unbridled state violence,
created homosexuality with pedophilia, and defended Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet,
whose Hingemen raped women with dogs, as well as Philippine

(03:35):
President Rodrigo Duterte, who's boast of personally killing criminal suspects.
So this kind of guy we're talking about. What's interesting
when you hear that is like Trump has compared a
lot of homosexual I mean Pence has certainly compared Pence. Yeah,
and then um, the way he's defending Pinochet. I mean,
like Trump's best friend is dude from North Korea. Yeah,

(03:56):
and it's it is interesting and in an important story.
How many of these kind of autocrats, the sort of
quasi dictators who are kind of right on the edge
of being right. Well, they all have ideological differences because
like do Tart is a socialist, but he and Trump
really get along, and he bolson Aro really get along
though boson Naro is, you know, a conservative. They all,
I think recognize that as autocrats and want to be dictators,

(04:17):
they have more in common with each other and have
a common cause with each other. Yeah, it's really interesting
to me. I don't know if it's in your story.
I'm just curious on why the people of Brazil we're
going to try to talk about that he did not
I will say this, it was handed to him by
his political opponents. So we're gonna get into that in
like seconds. So I've been able to find very little

(04:38):
about Jayr's early life, and I'm also I'm trying to
pronounce his name right. I've listened to a bunch of
pronunciations online. It's kind of hard for me to get
I believe it's supposed to be something like JayR Bosonaro,
but I'm not gonna get it perfect. I'm gonna trust you,
I'm working on it. So I've been able to find
very little about his early life, which is unfortunate. I
do know Jaire's parents originally wanted to name him Messiest,
which means Messiah, but according to America's Core Early Quote,

(05:00):
a neighbor suggested Jayer, after a midfielder on the Brazilian
national soccer team, so Messias became his middle name instead.
So Jaer was originally meant to me named after Jesus
Christ the Messiah, but upon reflection, his parents decided a
random soccer player would be a better Rich says some
interesting stuff about like how important soccer is. They're like,

(05:21):
we'll make Messiah the middle name soccer first, and that
makes sense for a Brasil to It really does. It
makes sense for like of the world does um or
football to are Australian listeners and a lot of other people. Yeah,
his father was an unlicensed dentist and also the only
dentist in the towns where they lived, which was not

(05:42):
uncommon in Brazil at that point in history. Like, if
you were a dentist, you're probably just a guy who
kind of like pulling teeth and was good at it.
And again we're talking, you know, back in the day here,
so there's not a whole lot of licensing going on.
The family eventually wound up in a town called El
Dorado Paullista, which is a rainforest banana growing town that
was occasionally host to vicious gunfights between different militant groups

(06:05):
and criminals. JayR spent his childhood regularly taking shelter with
his five brothers and sisters underneath beds and stuff, as
like people in town would just start shooting at each other.
So violence is pretty normalized in his childhood. Yeah, it's
not rare um, which is against the same kind of
thing you see with a guy like do Terrte. You know,
growing up there's a lot of violence around them and
it makes harder people. So a lot of what I

(06:25):
found on Boston Naro comes from an NPR article that
went to Eldorado and interviewed a bunch of people who've
grown up with him. Gianni Antonio, who went fishing with
Jayer when they were both little kids, said quote, Bolsonnaro
always said, one day I'll be president, so he seems
to have had this goal from the beginning of like
rising to the top of national politics. Another one of
his friends, who is now the vice principle of a

(06:46):
local school in Eldorado, says they both spent their childhoods
like you'd expect from kids who grew up in the
middle of a rainforest. They swim in rivers, they hunted birds,
and they played a lot of soccer. Jayre grew up
during a time of great chaos and Brazilian politics. There
was a revolt of lower ranking military officers, again high
ranking officers, regular labor strikes, and the kind of rapid
secession of governments that you tend to see in countries
that are headed to a bad place democratically speaking, uh

(07:09):
in nineteen sixty one, a guy named Jao Golert became
the president. Now Zoo was a leftist and was focused
primarily on keeping his country independent from the United States
and the control of the International Monetary Fund. He also
was an advocate for greater social justice for the poor
and the laboring class. He was obviously unpopular with the
US government and big business interests, and there's evidence the
US intelligence agencies started working to destabilize his government as

(07:32):
early as nineteen sixty one. In nineteen sixty three, the
US government endorsed a group of military officers who sought
to overthrow Glaert. So in nineteen sixty four, Gallert introduced
the reformist Basicus, which is the Basic Reforms, a series
of political reforms aimed at alleviating the difficult conditions of
Brazil's impoverished classes. Glaire promised to impose, by presidential decree

(07:53):
voting rights for the illiterate, the nationalization of Brazilian oil
and gas industries, and his his hope was basically to
do so that people would benefit from their natural resources
rather than a bunch of foreign investors and corporations, mostly
United States based investors and corporations. So, in essence, Galaire
and the people who voted for him were like, what
if we didn't cut down our rainforests and didn't take

(08:15):
a bunch of money and that we had to repay
from foreign governments and industrialized and instead just sort of
lived nice and quiet lives in our beautiful tropical paradise.
So cabal of military officers were not big fans of this,
and they got supported by the US government and decided
to overthrow Galaire. Um. The US government this point was
dominated by Democrats, which was important to note. This started

(08:36):
when JFK was in office. So like we first started
backing the anti Golaire like rebels in the military. When
JFK's president, then JFK gets assassinated, l b J takes
over Ted Cruz's dad. Some would say, yeah, yeah, Ted
Cruz's dad kills JFK uh strangles him. Uh. And then
and then yeah, we've got l b J and he

(08:57):
authorizes essentially US support for a coup against Gawaire. Now
the House in the Senate near US we're also controlled
by Democrats at this point. Um. And one of the
things that's important when you talk about like U S
foreign policy is that in this period is how everyone
was a hawk. Like in the fifties and sixties, whether
you were a publican or a Democrat, the whole country
was addicted to international intervention on like a pretty hard

(09:20):
core scale. Even Bobby Kennedy worked as an advisor to
Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. So these are like
the when we talk about like democrats in this period,
we're talking about guys who would make George W. Bush
be like WHOA. So one of the things that was
really important in the thinking of these elected officials in
the United States at the time, like when they decided
to intervene in countries like Brazil and all across Latin

(09:42):
America is the concept of totalitarianism, which was a pretty
new idea back in the early nineteen sixties. So I'm
gonna quote from an article in the Bulletin of Latin
American Research by Anthony Pereira quote. The concept of totalitarianism
was important to the realism of this period. Realists argued
that totalitarian regimes were ruthless and relentlessly expansion. The totalitarian
menace was supposedly so great that it required the managers

(10:03):
of the U. S State to abandon conventional morality in
order to combat it. An important creator of the idea
of totalitarianism was Hannah A. Rent. A. Rent published The
Origins of Tatalitarianism in nineteen fifty one and the book
she uses documents captured from the Nazis to extrapolate to
the U S. S R and create an ideal type
totalitarian regime. Unlike the portrait of the Nazi regime, which
is based on a rich documentary foundation, the analysis of

(10:25):
Stalinism was largely conjectural. According to a Rent, both regimes
were monolithic and structure and globally hegemonic and aspiration. So
the USSR was not actually a real totalitarian regime. You
could argue it was during chunks of the time when
Stalin was in charge, but by the early sixties they'd
had a couple of different peaceful transitions of power without
mass murder and stuff, and there were multiple factions within

(10:46):
the U S s R, so it wasn't really fair
to call them that. But because of a lack of knowledge,
there was this very strong belief in the United States
that the U S. S R was gearing up for
world domination, and there was an equal belief that if
a country went with a socialist leader like Brazil had
just started to do, they would never come back, which
kind of makes you think, like, well, why are you

(11:07):
so convinced that you're the good guys. If somebody trying
this out is never gonna come back. But like, this
is the idea in US politicians at the time that
if you allow any sort of socialism in a country,
they're instantly lost forever to the statalitarian menace. That is
like the creep of global communism. It was a wild time, yeah,
I mean, but it's it's that sort of socialism is

(11:29):
such a buzzword today still, and I think it's like
for that generation who grew up in this time and
is now Bernie Sanders age, and it is like socialists
or communists, and communists or fascists and fascist or are
dictating like the words all blend together and no one.
I want to ask a lot of people say, please
tell me the difference between a socialist, a fascist, and

(11:49):
a communist. Please go ahead. I think that's really useful
when you're talking about the political arguments we have, because
like a young person who's talking about, like I'm a
democratic socialist, what they mean is like I think people
should have single payer healthcare, and like, right, we should
spend more money on roads and bridges than we are.
And what a lot of older people who grew up
in this time period that we're talking about now think

(12:10):
is like communism, you want to destroy all freedom. And
it's pretty funny. I'm a pretty like left guy. I'm
a pretty leftist guy, I would say, and um, I
lean left on most issues. And I went on a
date recently and uh, I was with this girl and
she was like, I mean and we're both anti capitalists
and I was like, wow, I'm not anti capitalist at all.

(12:31):
And we went on this whole thing and I was like,
I just realized that you don't know what anti capitalist means.
You don't know, you don't know what capitalism is. This
is just like buzzwords that are thrown around of like
socialism bad, communist bad uh, Democratic socialism means again single payer.
Like it's just people just don't know what the words mean. No,
And that's that's one of the biggest problems we're having

(12:53):
right now. It's like it's a subset because like colts
kind of work in this way where they'll create new words.
The church scientology is also sorts of words that are
exists there. But we have almost a problem with like
politics in this country, where the same words are used
by both sides or by every side, because there's definitely
more than two, but they all mean different things, and

(13:13):
so you can't really have a conversation a lot of
the time, or the same tactics for being used with
the NFL. Both sides are boycott in the NFL for
the same Yeah, it's like I love it. They're like, well,
see how bad the ratings are. It's like, well, both
sides are boycotting. Everyone boycotting because they're kneeling. I'm boycotting
because they're blocking him for kneeling. It's like, okay, well

(13:33):
you're both boycotting. We're in an interesting time and this
was an interesting time too. So again, like this is
established that like when the US is like, yeah, we've
got to overthrow this popularly elected leader, a lot of
people will reduce that now to like a US corporations
intervening to cause regime change in these countries. And that's
certainly a factor because like there's a lot of businesses

(13:53):
that we're making the same thing with, like Guatemala, there
were a lot of American businesses involved. But this idea
of we have to stop the creep of communism was
also a major factor. Um and so it's it's a
bunch of different things that kind of coalesced here. I'm
gonna read another quote from that bulletin of Latin American Research. Quote.
Throughout the nineteen fifties and early nineteen sixties, that totalitarian
model was used to justify hardline positions against communism and

(14:16):
hints of communism. According to this view, once a country
went communist, it was impossible to ever restore capitalism and
liberal democracy to it. In the words of Elliot Abrams,
the architect of policies against the Sandinista Revolution in Nicaragua
in the nineteen eighties, if communism was a disease whose
existence could not be prevented, it was one whose spread
was controllable. Therefore a global system of quarantine or containment

(14:36):
was necessary. So that's what's going on in US politics.
So we contained the ship out of Brazil's leftist movement
by backing violent overthrow of the country. This military junta
was in power when Jayer Bolsonara grew into a young
man and joined the army. He became a captain in
time and was a paratrooper. And if you're wondering how
good he was at soldiering his commanding officer described him

(14:57):
as having quote excessive financial ambition and lacking logic, rationality
and balance. So he wants to make money, isn't idiot? Yeah,
it wants to make money. Is bad at his job
for Look at what kind of time it was for
other people who weren't JayR. Bosonnaro. Let's look at a
fun Guardian article titled Brazil president weeps as she unveils
report on military dictatorship abuses. Now, the president in that

(15:20):
title was Dilma Rossaf, Bosonnaro's predecessor. She was a Marxist
guerrilla during the time Bosonnaro was a paratrooper when the
military junta is in charge. She was captured at one
point and was brutally tortured by the military. So you
don't understand why when she was elected president she supported
a giant three years study into exactly what the old
military regime had gotten up to. Uh In two thousand fourteen,

(15:40):
the study was finished, revealed evidence of at least a
hundred killings, two hundred and forty three disappearances, and nineteen
hundred people tortured, and the actual numbers are likely much higher.
This is what they were able to find solid documentation
for so over the twenty years that the junta was
in power, at the US and the UK provided Brazil's
tortures with special training so that they could torture an
unknown number of revolutionaries and freedom fighters. According to Hugo

(16:03):
de Andrade A Brow, one of the generals who ran
Brazil during the dictatorship, quote, at the end of nineteen seventy,
we sent a group of army officers to England to
learn the English system of interrogation. This consists of putting
a prisoner in a cell in communicado, a method known
as the refrigerator because the cell was refrigerated. Wow, so
they're just sticky when a cell that's refrigerated, and then
leave you alone for days and you don't die usually not,

(16:27):
sometimes you do. I worked at cold Stone Creamery in
high school, and we used to lock people in the freezer,
but like for thirty seconds. Not we would like, you know,
you're you'd go in to get the chocolate ice cream
and you'd end up locked. Well, if that's what you
were doing the cold Stone Creamery, then you were unknowingly
engaging in what the Brazilians called the English system of torture.

(16:50):
So that's that's meat. Man. I remember how hard it was.
I mean, you get locked, you'd be like, no, this
could be the worst thirty seconds ever. I can't imagine days.
I mean, it's not that cold. I don't think we're
talking about like an industrial freezer cold. But it's it's
it's pretty pretty miserable. Um. And again they received training
from both the CIA and the US, and I think
m I five from the UK, but they really seemed

(17:10):
to prefer the way British people taught them the torture.
For whatever reason, they might have just like not thought
we were as good at torture as the British. So
they built a special torture center to British standards called
the House of Death, which name good name yeah. It
had an asbestos lined code room. It had a sound
room which was just supposed to bombard people with noise

(17:31):
while they sat there for days. It had also had
all white and all black rooms where you could keep
people in isolation because that really fucks with somebody's head.
And all of the rooms had monitoring equipments that the
interrogators could hear their victims heartbeat. So, according to Amal
car Lobo, a Brazilian army psychiatrist who worked at the
House of Death. Quote. They were variations of the techniques
used by the British Army against Irish terrorists. They were

(17:52):
designed to destructure the personality of the prisoners without touching them.
So it's kind of neat what I mean. It's one
of those things. I think this is something that like
Ireland so nice now and like so much of the
conflict there has been settled since you and I have
been alive, that people don't realize, like how fucked up
the ship that was until like two thousand and one,

(18:14):
Like it was really the dawning of the War on
Terror that led to things calming down in Ireland. But yeah,
I mean, the British learned how to torture from what
they were doing to the Irish, and they taught the Brazilians,
and the Brazilians tortured thousands of people there and so
on and so forth. What should we call it the
House of Death? I'm guessing that was a nickname. Well,

(18:36):
it's Puguese, very similar but slightly slightly different. I hope
I didn't offend anybody who speaking. Yeah, I certainly don't know.
I know abragato, that's most of my Portuguese. Yeah, that's
like I'm sorry, right or thank you, thank you. It's
been a while since I've been to Brazil. I've actually
been to Brazil. It sounds lovely. I did the torture.

(18:59):
I did Chiba, Sampaolo and um Rio for like a week.
It was fun. Oh man, I'd love yeah, yeah, I'd
love to go maybe before this episode drops. Not at all.
All white rooms are all black rooms. No, But do
you know what I do like is the products and
services that support this show. That was an ad pivot

(19:19):
Dutchess pivoting from torture to as and We're back. Boy,
those were some good ads. We just finished talking about
horrific torture and how the British talk the Brazilians to torture.
And this is all going on while JayR bolton Aro
sort of starting out his career in public life. He's

(19:40):
an mid level officer in the army and is apparently
not too great at it. I do want you guys
to know that while all these torturing and murder and
horror was going on, JayR bolson Naro did not just
sit back and let these injustices happen without taking action.
He realized something was wrong and he knew that he
had to do something about it, and so in nineteen six,
the year after the military dictatorship ended, he wrote a

(20:01):
column for the magazine Vea complaining that soldier salaries were
too low. That was this big issue during this period. Yes,
like we're not getting paid enough people. He was a
soldier at this point, so he may have had a bias.
He was sentenced to fifteen days in military prison for insubordination,
but for some strange reason, this helped to kick start
his political career. He presented himself as a defender of

(20:23):
rancor soldiers who were suffering during the hyperinflation that struck Brazil.
After the military dictatorship collapsed, Bolsonnaro was elected to Rio
de Janeiro City Council in like nineteen eight. In a
nineteen eighty one he was elected to Congress. Almost immediately
he said publicly, quote, I am in favor of a dictatorship.
This is like Bisonnaro gets elected to Congress in ninety

(20:44):
one and then supports returning to a dictatorship like this
is This is the beginning of his political Life. That's
the line he's taking. Um. Now, he was obviously a
fringe figure at this point in Brazilian politics. You might
think about him as sort of like a Brazilian Ron Paul,
but with even less mainstream appeal. Bosonaro's main claim to
fame is that he openly and repeatedly stated that the

(21:04):
dictatorship had been an awesome time and that the government
should go back to doing that. In n first year
as a congressman, in response to the president attempting to
privatize some state assets, Congressman Bolsonaro said this on Life
television like right after this, So the presidents attempting to
privatize some state assets. Bolson arrog gets asked about it,
and he says, quote, through the vote, you will not
change anything in this country, right, nothing, absolutely nothing. You

(21:26):
will only change, unfortunately on the day when we begin
a civil war here inside and doing the job that
the military regime didn't do, killing thirty thou beginning with
the president. If some innocence die, all right, and every
war innocent people die. I would even be happy if
I died as long as thirty thousand others died with me.
He's thanos, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's Thanos. That's
how he starts his political career, is fucking Fano. Yeah,

(21:50):
we need to kill a shipload of people because like go,
Mora asks him too, She's like, well, what if you
die in the snap too. He's like, then I die
in the snap too, but half of us are gone. Yeah,
that's that's JayR Fanos Bolsonnero. I mean messiest kind of right,
I don't know. I'm not a jare Fanos Messiest Bolsoniro. Yeah,

(22:11):
that's a new nickname for him. There you go. It's
worth noting that when Bolsonnio advocated the murder of the
president on the start of a new civil war, the
president at the time, a guy named Cardoso, replied, it's
clear he hasn't been converted to democracy, which is a
little bit of an understatement. So when Jayer was asked
about these comments earlier this year during the campaign, he
did distance himself from himself in the past, uh, saying,

(22:34):
people evolve. I am not a troglodyte. It's been a
long time since I touched the subject. The subject, of course,
was the execution of tens of thousands of human beings
at the time. They were calls from within Congress to
expel Bolsonnio, but nothing happened. He was just again seen
as a fringe nut and not really worth dealing with.
According to America's Quarterly he was so distant from real
power in a congress that also included a professional clown

(22:55):
and several legislators accused of kidnapping and even murder, that
if you paid him much attention, he said awful things,
said Ignaci Okano, a president at the State University of
Rio de Janeiro and frequent Bosonnario critic. But he was
marginal and pretty much considered harmless. There's a clown to
deal with. So in the first few years after the
military dictatorship fell, things were kind of rough in Brazil.
The economy was bad. There was a lot of unemployment

(23:17):
and inflation and all the things that come with that.
But around the turn of the millennium things started to
get a lot better. Brazil got its most beloved president, Lula,
who was in office for eight years. The economy turned around,
and in general it seemed like people really getting the
hang of being a country, a democratic one at least.
So the president who followed Lula was Delmarusso, who we've
already heard from a little bit. She was reelected in
two thousand and fourteen, the same year that the government

(23:39):
finished that study on how many people have been killed
and tortured during the military gunto Now. When this report
was read, Maria do Rosario, the Secretary of Human Rights
under Delma, praised the report during a session of Congress.
As she walked away, Bosonnaro shouted this at her, quote,
Stay here, Maria do Rosario, stay A while ago you
called me a rapist in the green room and I
said I won't rape you, but because you're not worth it,

(24:01):
stay here. Listen. It was in Congress. So he threatens
to rape one of his fellow congress not worthy. He says,
she's not worth raping. That's fair, that's fair. I was
being unfair. Bye bye. Yeah. So this was not the
first time Billsonnaro had threatened his colleague in Congress. According

(24:21):
to The Guardian, Bullsonnaro's first instance was an incident in
the parliamentary green room in two thousand and three when
he shoved her, described her as a slut, and then
told her to go cry. How boll Sonnaro treats his
fellow people in politics. Yeah, he's a it's a nice guy.
I'm just trying to think, like the closest we have

(24:43):
to that was when like during the debates, Trump was
going at Megan Kelly for bleeding out of her things
like that, and like it's still not as bad as this, No, exactly.
That's why I think it's really unfair to call him
the Brazilian Trump. He's yeah, Trump is the a Rican
bulson Naro. Trump is the American bolson Naro with anything,

(25:04):
or they're the Brazilian and American do terrtaz respectively. I
don't know, like maybe it's useless to Yeah, so the
attorney general press criminal charges against Bolsonnaro because you know,
you can't can't do that, well, you can, actually, but
there were charges for a little while, but very little happened.
And the reason that very little happened is that the
Brazilian government is preposterously corrupt. Like I know, we have

(25:26):
a lot of issues with corruption here in America, but
things are on another level in Brazil. At the time
Ere threatened Rosario, roughly two hundred of his fellows, six
hundred national legislators. We're facing trial for crimes ranging from
fraud to murder, so like a third of the elected
politicians at the national level are actively being investigated for

(25:49):
felonious crimes at the time when he says, I'm not
going to rape you because you're not worth it, so
it's like, yeah, you shouldn't say that. But but this
guy killed somebody. This guy a clown murdered somebody. Like,
so nothing really happens. Um, I wonder what type of
clown this is, because there's like the bows of the
clown clown, but there's also like clowns who are just
like movement professionals. Yeah. Yeah, I'm feeling more of like

(26:12):
an it clown. Like Brazil just elected Pennywise. We're like, well,
he keeps luring children in the storm drains, but my god,
he's got a good economic policy. He's real popular in
his district. Man, hey, we had a guy who liked
to lord children in Uh we do that the longest

(26:34):
serving Republicans Speaker of the House. Yeah, he ALTI likes
to lure children. Yeah, serial child molester. So we're working
on being as entertaining as horrible, because like, I just
feel like this is a blueprint. We're on the path
for which is again, does that happen a lot on
the show? Yeah, it's people usually walk away really bummed out.

(26:58):
I'm gonna go get ice cream after that. Yeah, that's
always recommended. Or I used to advertise derritos on the show,
but they never gave us any money, So now I
advertise whatever happens to be lying around on the table.
So right now, it's a Mountain Zevia, which is a
Stevia flavored diet beverage that is sort of like mountain dew,
but legally distinct, legally distinct. I love that it is

(27:21):
legally distinct. Yeah, that's great, legally distinct. I love how
on YouTube they can want they do a TV show,
but they'll mirror it, so it's legally distinct. As long
as you mirror the TV show over it things backwards,
you can air it. Okay. So telling a colleague that
she wasn't worth raping worked out really well for Gyre.
His popularity among conservative Brazilians rose, and by two thousand sixteen,

(27:45):
he was the third most liked Brazilian politician on Facebook.
What what we did? Elect Donald Trump? Like, he said
a lot of terrible things, so he was like the
Maxine Waters or something, or like the Kamala Harris, like
the super like popular politician, the Corey Booker, the Beto
like it was more that there's so much corruption in

(28:06):
Brazilian politics, and so he was he was seeing as
like honest, like he's clearly has no filters, so he's
not lying to us, and do we have all of
the exactly I'm gonna read a quote from The Guardian
here that tries to explain this. Part of the reason
is Brazil's culture of machismo, which is, according to Russef,
has also contributed to the desire for impeachment of the
country's first female president. So Delmarrossa basically said that, like

(28:30):
this is a machiesmo thing, Like there's masculinity is so
important to Brazilians. That's why they want the first woman
president impeached. And that's why Bolsonnarros seeing so much popularity.
Is it's like a toxic masculinitything. And I won't deny
that that's probably an aspect of it. But it also
is really important to note that the desire to impeach
Russaf probably had just as much, if not more, to

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do with the absurd and shamefully rampant corruption going on
in her administration. March fourteen, which is the same year
that they released their report on what the military Genda
had done, the Brazilian government opened Operation car Wash, which
was initially an investigation into Petro brass which is a
state owned oil company. So there was evidence that this
state owned oil company had been taking bribes and that

(29:12):
politicians elected leaders have been getting bribes in exchange for
giving certain construction firms preference and bidding on projects that
the state owned oil firm was doing. The investigation turned
into one of those spiraling, insane monstrosities of incompetence and
shameless graft that implicated dozens of those powerful people in Brazil. Haliburton,
it reminds me of even bigger as a deal like

(29:33):
because it's way more direct and obvious. The government funded one,
not exactly exactly and um this included former president Lula
and of course Delma Rosof. The ex president. Lula was
found guilty of accepting a beach front apartment as a
bribe from a construction firm. Rosof was also implicated in
the scam and subsequently impeached. It's hard to overstate the

(29:54):
importance of Operation car Washing everything else that's happened since
um with Bosonio America's quarterly calls it possibly the world's
largest corruption probe. So we're talking about like billions and
billions of dollars going into the hands of politicians in
exchange for like, yeah, it's it's super fucking shady talking
about Cheesemo and Brazil. You know. The late Robin Williams

(30:15):
has a bit on inside the actor's studio where he
talks about how Mucheesmo is hugely important in Latin America,
and then he goes and then he imagined a world
where all their soccer players they love so much are
very effeminate, and he does them and he's like, why
didn't you call me after the Mexico game, says one
soccer player to the other soccer player. But then all
these like supermucheese moo, toxic masculine guys who were like,

(30:37):
these are my heroes, These are my heroes, which circles
right back to naming him after a soccer player. Over Jesus, Yeah,
it's interesting. It is interesting. Now the investigation basically implicated
everybody in sort of the liberal establishment in Brazil. So
like the left had really been pretty dominant up to
this point, Rosef's Workers Party had been like the major party.

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And then basically everybody gets implicated in massive corruption and graft.
And this is at a time when the economy is
taking a ship, so people are like, things are harder
for us, foods more expensive, poverty is soaring, and we
found out that all these guys we've trusted for the
last like fifteen years to govern the country have been
robbing us all blind. So that's the environment that bolson
Naro starts to surgeon around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. So

(31:24):
in the wake of Operation car Wash, we're not just
talking about like the last guy, delmar Ussef, being disgraced,
We're talking about the entire political class in Brazil being
exposed and shamed. When Rosof was impeached into a thousand
sixteen bolson Naro cheered that they lost in nineteen sixty
four and now they have lost in two thousand and sixteen.
He dedicated his vote to impeach the president to quote

(31:44):
the memory of Colonel Carlos Alberto Berjante Ustra the dread
of delmar Ussef, because Colonel Uster was the man who
had tortured Russef while she was in prison. It's the
kind of thing that would have been outrageous and a
healthy democracy, but it only increased Bolsonnaro support. A poll
taken later that year that seven out of ten Brazilians
had no trust in any political party. In this environment,
JayR Bulsono thrived. You could say a lot of things

(32:07):
about the man, but he didn't seem like a liar.
He didn't hide that he wanted to go back to
a dictatorship and kill tens of thousands of leftists, and
that was refreshing to a lot of voters at this
point in Brazilian politics. So Jayre grew to become the
most well known and popular politician in the Bullets, Beef
and Bible Caucus, which is roughly analogous to the American
right wing. Uh. He started to lay the ground for

(32:30):
a presidential campaign in two as an eighteen Bullets, Beef
and Bible. That's our Bible belt. Yeah, I mean that's
our Bible belt exactly. Yeah, it's a better name. Yeah,
it is the Bullets, Beef and Bible Caucus. That's exactly.
That's our country. People, are the same everywhere, Like there's
always going to be a group that you know what
you've said. When you just said that, people were like

(32:51):
refreshed by the idea that like this guy wanted to
kill ten thousand leftists. I think it's hard to date
here across parties. Can you imagine trying to date as
a young person in Brazil and like one person supports
this dude, and once the person is like a leftist,
then you want me to do It's impossible. Yeah, it
would be rough, and it is rough. That's part of

(33:11):
what polarization does, and that's probably why it continues to
get worse, is that people it's like a civil war
without the war. Yet yet it's a cold war. Yea, yeah,
it's a cold civil war. So yeah. Bosonia promised his
supporters that he would loosen up the country's gun laws,

(33:32):
open up untouched rainforce inhabited by indigenous people to strip mining,
and lower the age of criminal responsibility to sixteen. This
was a major centerpiece of his campaign. So the under
current Brazilian law, three years is the maximum punishment you
can give someone who's eighteen or younger. Here's how Bosonnara
pitch changing that quote, an adolescent can rape and kill
two people and he is still not treated like a criminal.

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In Brazil, most miners know that if they are going
to commit a robbery, it is better to kill the
victim as there is less chance of being caught, and
if they are, the punishment will be the same. So
this is the argument he's making now. Una Sef says
that Brazilian teenagers are actually vastly more likely to be
the victims of violent crime than the perpetrators. Less than
point zero one three percent of murders in Brazil are
committed by twelve to seventeen year olds. Meanwhile, thirty six

(34:13):
point five percent of all non natural adolescent deaths in
Brazil are caused by murder. So teenager is actually, if
I'm doing the math right, hundreds of times likelier to
be murdered by an adult than to commit murder while
under age. But of course we all know how much
facts matter and political discussions these days. Jared Bolson Narrow
is also a major advocated framed that really well, because
if I didn't know that, I'd be like, well, if

(34:35):
I'm gonna get robbed, I'd rather just get robbed and
not killed. That's like the way a layman is thinking
of that great idea. Dude, Yeah, but it doesn't line
up with the facts. But like people know, crime is
out of control and it is in Brazil, and he
posits a solution that seems reasonable if you're not aware
of the actual statistics. So j. R. Bolson was also
a major advocate of bringing back torture, which probably isn't

(34:56):
surprising at this point. During one interview, he explained how quote,
I'll give you an example. I have two small daughters,
five and three. If a criminal kidnaps my daughter and
start sending a piece of ear a piece of finger
to my house and the police catches one of the
criminals from that gang of kidnappers and he doesn't tell
where she's being kept, I'm going to volunteer to torture
that guy. I'm not in favor of torture is state policy,
but in certain situations, any human being, you weigh what

(35:18):
is more important valued in your life? Is it your
daughter or the right to remain silent? Do you understand what? Yeah,
that's his argument for torture. What it's smart the way
that he's framed that. If you start arguing with him,
he's going to be like, what would you do if
your daughter? Your daughter is getting sent to you? And
this is one where I'm betting he is taking a
leaf out of American politicians, because, for as long as

(35:39):
I've been alive on the right, when there's arguments about
the death penalty that what happens if they murdered your daughter,
and it's like, well, that's not what we make laws
based on. Is like our personal rage at the thought
of someone close to us getting hurt. Anyway, speaking of rage,
you know what doesn't make me angry advertisements for the

(36:03):
products and services that support this show. We're back and
we're talking about JayR. Billsonio. So we just got into
his argument about torture in allowing the government to charge
sixteen year old as adults. The reason these policies really
took off is that Brazil has kind of an enormous,

(36:25):
horrifying crime problem. The nation has nineteen of the world's
fifty most violent cities. There were fifty six thousand murders
in Brazil in two thousand seventeen. Now in the same
year in the United States, there were six thousand seven
ms in The US has a hundred and twenty five
million more people than Brazil, so they have an enormous
violent car time the murders almost with a third less people. Yeah,

(36:49):
so a lot of this is not explained by people
being evil or dumb. It's them just being scared and
not being well informed like that has to be a
huge factor here. They have reason to be scared. Crime
is a horrifying problem in Brazil right now, and so
they're going to the guy who claims I'm gonna fucking
law and order this ship, and the way to do
that is by executing teenagers and torturing people. But you

(37:12):
can see why they would fall for that. So JayR.
Bolsonniro has occasionally walked back some of the things he's claimed,
but in general, he spent the last twenty years of
his public life being really upfront with his breathtaking, the
gross beliefs. In a two thousand eleven interview with Playboy magazine,
Bosonniro stated that he would quote be incapable of loving
a homosexual son and added that I would prefer my
son to die in an accident than be gay. Yeah,

(37:34):
he's going to do the whole role of terrible Quotes
from Bolsonnario uh In two thousand and sixteen on Brazilian television,
he referred to having a daughter after four sons as
a moment of weakness. Uh right. During a different TV appearance,
he said this quote. Because women get more labor rights
than men, meaning they get maternity leave, the employer prefers

(37:56):
to hire men. I would not employ a woman with
the same salary of a man, But there are many
women who are competent, so it's it's like that some
of them are good people of justifying employment discrimination. In
two thousands seventeen, Jayer said a man who doesn't kill
isn't a policeman. Uh In two thousand eighteen, he was
asked how he'd spent his housing allowance that he gets
as a congressman, the money from the government that they

(38:17):
pay him for like his house, because he's a government employee.
He said, quote, since I was a bachelor at the time,
I used the money to have sex with people. You see, like,
you can see why people like like, oh, well, that's
what I would do too if I was. He's a
straight talker, he's an honest man. Everybody else is corrupt.
He's an honest man who wants to buy hookers and
shoot criminals. So obviously every terrible thing Jayrble scenario did

(38:42):
just made him more popular. I'm going to guess everyone
listening to this is familiar with kind of how that works. Like,
if you're asking yourself, how did this keep making him
more popular? Think back to the guy who won the
presidency after talking about grabbing women with pussy, Like that's
just how things work in um so I should know that.
One of his election ads was literally a picture of

(39:03):
Jaire standing in front of a Brazilian flag while a
voiceover said Hitler Mussolini. They call him everything but corrupt.
What That's pretty fucking Parker's, isn't It compared himself to
Hitler and Mussolini in a campaign ad, Oh my god,

(39:23):
you gotta give it to him. That's some hotspah. I
could shoot somebody in the middle of fifth five and
they will still vote from him. People. People are the
same everywhere when ship gets rough, and ship's rough in Brazil,
So this worked Hitler Muslin at least he's not corrupt.
What so this message sold very well, first on social

(39:45):
media and then at the ballot box before he was elected.
Bossonio had more than one point seven million more followers
on Facebook than his nearest rival. The core of his
supporters were, of course, young men. Only thirty six percent
of his voters were women, or at least of his
supporters prior to the election were women. So yeah, we're
all intimately familiar with the next part of the story. JayR.
Bolsonnio dominated all of his political rivals and one by
nearly ten percent of the vote. The only real wrinkle

(40:07):
in the story is that during a rally in September,
a young man on a mission from God. According to
the young man, stabbed the ship out of JayR. Busonio,
hurt him very badly, came pretty close to killing him
but didn't. Here's a picture of him in mid stab.
It kind of looks like he's pooping what he's ugly. Well,

(40:27):
he's getting stabbed. Nobody looks their best when they're getting stabbed.
In a little bit of fairness, like I think in
mid stab, you're not the best version of yourself. Wow,
the audience can see these pictures on behind the Bastards
dot com. So you got stabbed a bunch of times
that time made his popularity fly. Oh yeah, yeah, it
was great for him. Actually, Like ye, the best thing

(40:48):
that can happen to you if you're a politician is
someone tries to kill it always. Of course, the one
thing I hope doesn't happen like seven days, because that's yeah,
it's always good for popularity. Don't try to kill politicians
you don't like. It doesn't work, And you can try
to send fake bombs. I don't really care about that. Well,
why should we worry about some fake bombs. So the

(41:10):
wounds were serious, but not serious enough to stop Bulsonnario
from campaigning, and all likelihood, as you mentioned, they probably
did more to help his election than anything else. There
were stories in the news of him running his campaign
from a hospital bed and stuff. You know. Just it
played really, really well. The same night that had happened,
a senate candidate aligned with Bolsonaro claimed a message to
these bandits who tried to ruin the life of a

(41:31):
guy who was a father, who was the hope of
all Brazilians. You just elected the president, and they did,
and now Bilsonaro is the president elect. And in all fairness,
I should mention that in interviews that he did before
the election, Bolsonaro did promise not to become a dictator,
So that's nice. Here's a quote from a Time article
that ran back in August. Can he confirm that he

(41:52):
would not instigate a military regime of elected president? No,
there is no such risk. There is no such risk,
Bulsonnaro says. If elected, he insists the next presidential elections
would happen as normal. In two The only modification I
would make is to introduce paper voting to in electronic voting.
We distrust the electronic vote here. That is the only difference.
So committed to see to democracy. He adds that he's

(42:13):
considering a political reform proposal to limit a president to
one term only beginning with mine, which, hey, maybe he'll
do that. Maybe he's had a change of heart since nine. However,
that Time article does note that in Jire's office, the
only portraits he has on his wall are pictures of
five of the generals who managed Brazil's bloody military junta,

(42:33):
which does not instill a great deal of confidence in
his respect for democracy, at least for me. And that's
where we are today. Well, he got elected like last week.
He got elected like last week. We're a little further
than that today. So now that Bulsonario's president or president
elect new group is more terrified for their lives than
the nation's LGBT population. Here's another thing Jr. Bosonario said

(42:55):
about gay people during that Time interview. I do not
kiss my wife on the street wife as society white.
Take that into the school, little children of six or
seven watching two men kisses the government wanted them to do.
Is this democracy? Visibly struggling to contain his temper, he
asserts angrily that most gays will vote for him, and
then pivots to pedophilia. So let's respect the pedophiles right
to have sex with a two year old. With that
unite Brazil. But he adds, if anyone interviews with the

(43:16):
private life of two people, I will defend the life
of these two people between their four walls. That is
no problem. So he would be a present for all Brazilians. Yes,
so you can trust Jerry Bolsonario or not. He's said
some of the right things. But again, this is like
immediately after his election, when you do the conciliatory gestures.

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There's some reason to suspect that he will not keep
up with his promises. During that same interview with Time,
Jerry Bosonario simultaneously denied his desire to create a military
dictatorship and promised to make roughly half the government ministers generals,
which sure seems like it's on the way to a
military dictatorship. He praised the Chilean dictator Pinochet for murdering
more than two thousand people. Uh, and he sid did

(44:00):
his desire to stop the demarcation of indigenous land and
basically cut down more of the rainforest. And like, one
of the things that he's been really consistent about is saying,
I don't think indigenous people have the right to giant
tracks of land, to have like chunks of the country
partition that we can't develop. Like, he's a big advocate
of allowing companies to come in and basically pay indigenous

(44:22):
people pennies on the dollar for their land and then
strip mine it, which is kind of a problem because
of our planets oxygen comes from the Amazon rainforest. There's
some reason to be worried there. Yeah, there's also some
reason to be worried because on October one, two eighteen,
j R. Bolsonnio vowed to purge Brazilian leftists to a
cheering crowd of his supporters. A month or so before this,

(44:42):
he told time like I'm going to be the president
for all Braziliance, And then a couple of months later
in October, he said, quote this time the cleanup will
be even greater this group, and he's talking about leftists.
If they want to stay, they will have to abide
by our laws. Either they stay out or they will
go to jail. Immediately before the election, Rezilian police, often
without warrants, began barging into university classrooms, questioning teachers and students. Uh,

(45:05):
they started taking out books and classroom studies related to
fascism and sort of the spread of dangerous right wing ideology.
And they justified this under the claim that these schools
were doing a legal election advertising. But that was like
a bunch of professors were doing essentially classes on fascism
and the dangers of fascist authoritarian regimes, and this was

(45:25):
cracked down on by the government immediately before the election.
They claimed that it was election tampering essentially. So that's
not a great sign. It's kind of up in the
air as to what's going to happen, and like whether
or not things are going to get tremendously worse but yeah,
I get a lot of messages on my social media
from people who are like, can you amplify this? Can
you amplify that? Can you amplify this? They want like

(45:47):
whatever their causes, they want me to amplify, and I
can't write. I can't amplify every cause. But I've been
getting a lot from LGBTQ populations in Brazil recently, and
I just have been glossing over them, but I'm realizing
exactly what they're referring to. I think there's a deep
fear it's a big problem, and I think a guy
like JR. Bosonnio, I think we're less likely to see

(46:09):
any sort of really clear government policy aimed at lgbt
people that you can point to and say the government
said they're going to do this, the government said they're
going to do that. I think what we will see,
and what we've already started to see, is groups of
right wing activists in the street doing violence to gay
people and doing violence to leftists and attacking anyone they
see as not part of them. Uh. And I think

(46:33):
we won't see a lot done to prevent those attacks.
But I do think that's that's the smarter move if
you're a guy like Bolsonniaro, why would you have gay
people arrested when your supporters will murder them anyway? Do
you know has Trump been asked about his feelings about
bolson Oh, he called him. He was a big fan,
big big fan, tweeted about it and everything, called him
as soon as he wants, super super down with them,

(46:53):
says that they're gonna We're gonna have great trade deals.
And I read another article that was like a Canadian
economist style Man magazine saying like Bullsonaro's election is going
to be great for Canadian businesses. That's unglea Merkel, no
good Bullsonnaro, big fan. It is a similar thing to
what happened when the military genda took over. How you
have this government that's like, we need to not develop
the rainforest, we need to not allow foreign corporations to

(47:18):
strip mine our nation for pennies on the dollar. And
then a right wing government gets in and says no, no, no,
do all that funck the rainforest, and and like we
will do whatever it's necessary as long as you keep
money flowing into us, will do whatever is necessary to
put down rebellion within the country. By the way, we
talk about how Bullsonario is not as corrupt as the
other people in politics. There have just been some findings

(47:41):
by America's Quarterly there's about four and a half million
dollars that have been transferred to his family over the
last year or so, and we don't really know where
it came from. So the early evidence suggests there will
eventually be findings that like, he's corrupted ship, but he
was I think smarter about it than Delmarussef and the
Works Party people, which is all it takes. You don't

(48:02):
have to not be corrupt. You just have to convince
people that you're less corrupt than the person you're going
up against, and it turns out that works. One of
the message I got I just read was from a
Brazilian woman and she asked me to amplify and she said,
if you do take me up on this offer, basically
the say that he's bad, please use the hashtag that
we're here in Brazil are using, and it was hashtag Ellen.

(48:25):
Now I don't think I'm saying right as E l E.
And it doesn't mean not him, anyone but him, anyone
but him. Yeah, La, Now that's a pretty bold campaign.
Anyone anyone but him, not him, but anyone else is fined.
I mean that does get it kind of a I
mean it clearly it didn't work in this election, but
I think it is something that like everyone who's not
an outright fascist in the democratic world needs to get

(48:48):
better at, which is just sort of like a common
front against Like, Okay, we're not going to agree about everything.
You may consider yourself a Marxist or whatever, you're a libertarian,
you're a Democrat, and you know a interest or whatever.
Let's all agree we don't want a fascist in charge.
Like a broad front there. I'm gonna say something that
reminds me. My ancestry is Indian and people often talk

(49:08):
here in America about the vitriol for a two party system.
People always like two party systems are bad, two partists
are bad, and I often say, I agree, they're bad,
but let's just think about something else. And I want
to use India as an example. India is the world's
largest democracy, and in India they don't have a two
party system. There's actually like several viable parties. And what
ends up happening, though, is every week closer and closer

(49:30):
to the election. What you just said, happens happens, and
by the end, by by voting day, you got two choices. Yeah,
it always ends up being a two part system because
it'll be like two percent of the vote and two
percent of the vote, of the vote and of the vote,
and then it's like, oh, we got a team up
and we get to so of course the Environmental Party

(49:50):
and the Left Party, which are only slightly different, and
then like the Conservative Party and the b j P Party,
which only slightly different, end up teaming up, and then
once again you go to the polls and it's yeah,
it ends up being a two party system. There's obviously
a lot of flaws in our system, and every system
there's not a government that doesn't have a shipload of him.
But I think that that's probably not the root problem

(50:13):
of why politics is so fucked in America. It's not
that there are two parties, that there are some inherently
human things. That means that when we have a system
like ours that invests so much power and whoever manages
to like win in an election, that might be more
of the fact that the president and that Congress has
this much power, and if you control Congress for eight years,

(50:34):
you can do so much redistricting and ship that you
can like lock in your congressional advantage for another twenty years.
Like those you're bigger problems in the fact that like
there's two political parties and exactly so we don't know
what is going to happen to the future in Brazil. Again,
Billsonnario has been very clear that he does not intend
to become a dictator. Maybe he's had a change of heart.

(50:55):
I am not super confident on that, and I would
like to read one more quote interview that Bolson Narrow
gave at the start of his political career. He was
asked right before saying this, if he would shut down
Congress once he was elected president, because you know, he
was an advocate of dictatorship at that point. Quote, there
is no doubt I would perform a coup on the

(51:16):
same day. Congress doesn't work, and I am sure at
least of the population would celebrate an applaud because it
doesn't work. The Congress today is useless. Let's do the
coup already. Let's go straight to the dictatorship. It's so
funny when someone starts to set that's like that. There
was no doubt yeah, there's no doubt. So like no,
everybody says no, one can be like, oh, he doesn't
mean that. He said that there is no doubt that

(51:37):
that is what I would do. Yeah. It's like everybody
says that this caravan is an invasion. No we don't.
Some of us say it's the same caravan that comes
up every couple of years, and it's already lost half
of its numbers, and like it's so funny. I saw
a good tweet about that. It was like, what caravan
that plans to come here and kill you warns you

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three months in advance, that weren't you when it's half
a continent away. Hey, we're clocking, Like so funny, start
walking to Because Trump keeps using the word marching, yeah,
which has like military military. Yeah, you use every military
word you can. It's strong men and it's like women
and children, and they keep these are strong guys, like

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they're a bunch of Liam Neeson's coming to our country.
As if a single Apache helicopter couldn't wipe out most
of this, like if if it was an armed group
of three thousand people on foot, what Apache? And like
everybody in Palestine can tell you throwing rocks does not
mean that you should get shot. No. Well, in any
US soldier who's been stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq will

(52:42):
tell you they get rocks thrown at them, and it
is a war crime to fire back with guns at
someone throwing a rock at you. Yeah. Now you also
rento some stories and like Marines having rocks thrown at
them and like getting slingshots and shooting rocks back at
the people throwing rocks at them. Because it's like you
got nineteen year old kids during rocks at sixteen year
old it's what ever? Yeah, I get that, but you
can't shoot at them with guns. No. I mean it's

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like getting cut off in traffic and then so you
pull out your pistol and shoot the guy who cut
you off. Yeah you're going to jail. Yeah, you shouldn't
cut you off, but like your escalation was. Yeah, man, anyway,
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We're working on that. Did you guys do all around however? Oh? Yeah,
we did, like a four hour episode on the round hovered.
I Um, I was, I don't live far from here,

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and I was walking by and I saw to scientiologist
because I could tell from they're like uniform type things.
They were walking past me, so I got about half
a second of their conversation. But I heard one fully
grown adult woman say to the other fully grown adult woman,
this is the one sentence I heard in my walk. Yeah,
they changed my shower time. I just thought it was
so creepy, like, no, you have a shower time, and

(54:29):
then they changed it and like, now you're in distress.
I just thought the whole thing was like I don't
want to know more, but I do. I mean, I
think when you're talking about a cult like scientology, or
you're talking about the desire to vote for an authoritarian
who promises strict government control and violence against the people
you don't like, they both have a similar route, which
is that like people are just exhausted at how many

(54:49):
choices they have. Politics is exhausting, Like voting in the
mid terms, there's like all these different proposals and you've
got to figure out like what you feel about them
and understand them, and a lot of them it's usually
not something that's simple as like abortion, right, pretty depending
on your beliefs, you're gonna land up. But if it's like, well, okay,
do we allocate this much money to firefighting? But if
that happens like because we're you know, in order to

(55:10):
allocate this money, we're imposing an additional property tax, or
like a lot of stuff is like and it's exhausting.
And so whether your poison as a cult or a
dictator in a society that's free and open, there's always
a huge amount of fuck it. Just let some asshole
figure it out. Yeah, so don't let some asshole figure

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