Part Four: Kissinger

Robert is joined again by Gareth Reynolds & Dave Anthony (The Dollop) for part four of our epic six part series on Henry Kissinger.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is behind the dollar bastards, Dollar bastards. This is
those those dollar bastards. So, I don't know, what do
you guys think out of all of the characters y'all
have covered, who do you think Kissinger gets along with? Best? God?
I mean that's a tough one, that judge and Textas

(01:14):
with the Bear, the Bear he definitely gets along with.
There's definitely guys like you know, the guys who did
the filibustering Walker and those guys who just love to
just take over other countries. People. There's not We've never

(01:35):
experienced this level of casualty. This is I mean, you know,
like there are evil, it's it's the spray of your
evil that is so remarkable about this. The ability to
have your finger on this button with this level of

(01:57):
darkness is uh. I it's a little you know, I
wouldn't say it's you know again, I mean we've covered
evil motherfucker's but I don't think they've been able to
scatter shot in the way that you know, kissingers. It's
a rare talent at a rare time, on a rare team.
I would put uh Yon uh Peter Zoon Cohen who

(02:22):
was the East the Dutch colony guy, the East India, Right,
he did a lot of killing. Yeah, and he definitely
had the same sort of attitude, very casual about Yeah.
There's been a lot of people. Yeah, the the killing
because we're white Americans, yeah, um, or just white people

(02:47):
just you know, for for land has been it's a theme.
It's Jackson. I would put up there with Jackson. He's
he's he's at that level of like monstrous national leader
who believes in a fucked up thing, like in terms
of his death well Andrew Jackson in his in his
white supremacy Hitler and his Hitler stuff, you know, maw

(03:09):
and some of the weird things he believed about crop
rotation or like whatnot. Um, he's at that level of
like death toll, but he doesn't believe in anything, Like
he's not trying to do a thing. He's not like,
he's not like attempting society. Yeah. I guess that's the
weirdest part of him, because this sort of death count

(03:31):
usually comes out of ideology. Yes, that's exactly what I
was trying to get at. Yeah. Imagine if his childhood
affected him what he would Yeah, that might have an impact.
I imagine if that had actually impacted him in any way. Yeah,
and it it Yeah, that's the that's the it's so
fucked up that like it's fucking Craig again. We keep

(03:51):
getting back to like Walter from the Big Lebowski logic,
But like, at least those other war criminals had an ethos. Yeah, yeah, Um,
you could negotiate or talk down or at least there
would be like an angle at least like, oh, you
are a you're a person like not to morally compare

(04:14):
him negatively to Hitler, because for the record, folks, Hitler's worse,
you know, basically, And yeah, but there's at least you
can grasp onto a level of understanding with Hitler, because
it's like, well, I believe in things, and I even
believe in things that like, I think it would be
okay to like use violence in order to to to
because of those things that I believe. I think there

(04:35):
are situations that justify violence, and those are based on
things that I believe about morality. And Hitler had things
that he believed about morality that he felt justified violent violence.
And so you can grapple at least with what must
have been going on in the man's head when he
did some of the terrible things he did. I cannot
get into the head of a man who is willing

(04:55):
to do this to keep a gig. Yeah a yeah,
it's for a gig that he didn't even need. He
didn't even need this job. Now he's he's almost as
bad as Dr Phil Yeah, oh, I mean, yes, that's
a little bit hyperbolic. Dave I don't think I don't
think that's hub uh dr phillion levels of evil. It's

(05:16):
also just the the dumb the idea that sixty minutes
like was like take the keys hang, have the keys
hang there you go, yeah, you know, yeah, just the
run annual normalization. It's like, now, yeah, when it comes
to the folks who will defend Henry Kissinger or even
call him a great statesman, and those folks do exist.

(05:36):
I have read some of their books. Um, when you
get to those people, there are generally a couple of
achievements that they will trumpet. Is like, well, you have
to give him, you know these things, right, um? And
they sound impressive on paper. Um. In nineteen seventy three,
he and North Vietnam's lead though won the Nobel Peace
Prize for their work in the negotiations that became the
Paris Peace Accords. Right, winning a Nobel Prize for stopping

(05:58):
the Vietnam War. Impressive sounding on paper if you don't
think about the fact that he extended the Vietnam War.
He to you know, um, was a part of that. Um.
He didn't negotiate the first Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty and
Anti Ballistic missile treaty with the Soviet Union. Those are
good things, but but he the whole thing. It would

(06:19):
be like congratulating Sully sullen Burger if he threw the
geese into the he had been breeding geese and that
exactly making bang noises to scam to the plane. Yeah,
what an amazing achievement. Yeah, um, and yeah, it's one

(06:41):
of those things like, yeah he got and part of
like the arms reductions that he secured with the Soviet
Union are less impressive than they sound. I was just
talking in the last episode about that documentary Command and Control,
and one of the points it makes is that like
these Atlas two missiles, which nearly killed half of the
people on the East Coast through radioactive fallout, we're obsolete

(07:01):
and not effective and recognized as not being useful. But
they were kept in the arsenal not because we needed them,
but because we were going to have a treaty with
the Soviets soon and we wanted to have something we
could give up that wouldn't actually cost us anything like
like that, Like it's that kind of ship, like that's
all of the fucking Yeah he respect fuel rods basically, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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And he does this, He helps negotiate reductions in nuclear
arms after pushing the missile gap myth for the JMP administration. Right. Um,
he did help pass an international convention against biological weapons,
which is cool if you don't think too much about
the defoliants that he ordered spread out across Southeast Asia. Um, Jesus,
we need to stop people like Kennedy Kiston Jo. We

(07:45):
have to stop. I must be stopped. The only way
to abuse me. He had a role in the Helsinki
Final Act Article ten, which committed nations on both sides
of the Cold War to quote respect human rights and
fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of conscience, religion, or belief
for all without distinction to race. Yeah. He's literally the

(08:06):
guy who's in a room and he's like, we should
kill everyone, and then he walks out and comes back
in another door and goes killing bad. The killing must stop.
It's like when deal with me was like, well, I'm
gonna find the real killer. Yes, yes, we gotta find
this guy. Sell out there. Henry Kissinger doesn't go to
d C anymore because he might run into the man

(08:26):
who ordered the carpet bombing of Laos. We are all
trying to find the guy who did this. We're not
gonna live till we find out which son of a
bitch is behind this. Now there is, however, one huge
titanic achievement that even the most hardened critics have to

(08:48):
give Kissinger. He restored diplomatic relations between the United States
and China. Now, this is a huge deal, no matter
how you slice it. For a brief primer, China had
them a big old civil war between the communists who one,
and the nationalists who we backed, who we were called like,
you know, democrats, republicans, whatever like called democratic forces. They
had you know them a dictator as it always is. Um.

(09:09):
He was a dude named Chang Kai shek Um And yeah,
malt wins in ninety nine Shanghai Check and his forces
take all the gold they can carry, and they flee
to Taiwan. And for the next thirty years, the United
States refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of the Chinese state
and deal with it directly. In one of the most
unhinged decisions in the history of US foreign policy, decades
of presidents pretend Taiwan it's the real China, Like Taiwan

(09:33):
has a permanent seat on the the U. N. Security Council.
That is China's seat, but taiwanas you can look on
a map, it is somewhat smaller than actual China. What
we're doing, it's like what we're doing in Venezuela. Yeah,

(09:53):
it's like yeah, like that guy is the president, Like yeah, right, Yeah.
It's one of those things like you don't have to
be a fan of Mao to recognize this as stupid,
Like Mao is in the head of a government that
is this basically a whole continent, and you're just pretending
he's not. And that's nuts. Um, the emperor has no land. Yeah,

(10:13):
it's craziness. Um, it's stupid. Uh yeah. And in fairness again,
because we're about to talk about like Kissinger had nothing
to do with this, right, Kissinger is not why we
refuse to recognize the existence of the Chinese government. This
is a dumb thing that when he comes into power,
he and Nixon are both very astutely recognized as a
dumb thing, and they don't want this to continue, and
it is it is hard to overstate how dangerous this

(10:36):
state of affairs is. Um for one reason, after stalindize
in nineteen fifty three, relations between the USSR and Mouse
China steadily decline. In nineteen sixty four, the year China
conducts their first successful nuclear tests, diplomatic relations breakdown between
both communist nations. So now you have three massive empires,
all of whom are armed with nukes, none of whom

(10:58):
are directly talking to each other. Like this is a
bad situation, um and Kissinger does recognize how dangerous the
status quo is. Now. In nineteen sixty nine, China and
the Soviet Union have a series of border skirmishes. Their
soldiers are shooting at each other, Moscow threatens to start
dropping nukes, and for a time the Chinese government conducts

(11:19):
its affairs from underground bunkers. Again very reasonable that Nixon
ni Kissinger are like, well, we should probably have some
way to fucking call these people on the goddamn phone, right,
Like this seems bad. Let's just get a phone. Let's
get a fucking phone. You would think it would be
that simple, Dave, But we're gonna talk for about an
hour and ten minutes about how it's not. So. By

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the time nineteen seventy one comes around, Nixon and Kissinger
were also both looking for a major diplomatic coup that
could distract from the fact that they hadn't quite managed
to in that whole Vietnam War thing, and had in
fact made it all very much worse. There's also some
rational self interest in here, you know, whatever else you
can say about them, I don't think either of these
men want to die, and they recognize like, well, this
could cause a nuclear or that ends all life on earth,
including us. We should probably deal with this. Yeah. Yeah,

(12:04):
they finally realized that life is actually has purpose once
it's there. Yeah. It's also one of those this is
getting a little off topic, but like people talk about,
you will see, at least on the right people say like, well,
you know, if the nationalists had won the Chinese Civil War,
a lot less people would have died. And it's like, well,
the specific things Mao did that killed a lot of
people wouldn't have been done. But if Chang Kai shek
is in charge of China and like, while China is communist,

(12:28):
they almost get in a nuclear fight with the U.
S s R. Do you think, like right wing Chen
Kai check led China is less likely to have a
nuclear fight with the Soviets? Would the hard nosed version. Yeah,
what is it like if they're not on the same
ideological side. Yeah, people don't talk a lot about the
fact that the U. S s Are and Communist China

(12:49):
nearly nearly nuked each other, just like the Ares. And
also Mao killed landlords. So are those people well fair? Yeah,
some of them were landlords. It's not the landlords were
complaining about. It's the you know, the people who didn't
have grain. But that's a story for a completely different
set of days. At this point in time, you've got

(13:10):
two countries that should three countries that should all be
talking on the basis that they all individually have the
ability to end all life on earth, and they're not.
And and Kissinger is like, you know what I can
get in here. You know, I can make this work.
I can make this work. Um. And also it will
help us win an election. Um. So it just so happens.
That is also a time in which China is willing

(13:32):
to sit down with the United States. Maw wants us
help negotiating with the Soviets, which is very strange and
like the does not make a lot of Yeah, I
can't talk to these guys, can't talk to someone who
else can't talk to these Nixon, you love communists, git
in here. Um, you know, it's just the you've got

(13:56):
like the way the Cold War is portrayed from the
thousand yard view to people like watching the propaganda of
whatever state. And then you've got like Mao being like, hey, Nixon,
I need your help to deal with the Soviets. I
need a rational partner, and Nixon being drunk. You know,
you know who's gonna get me Win Sinch, me Richard Millhouse,
Nixon the election at seventy two. MAUSEI dung it is

(14:21):
it is weird politics. And this it's almost like it's
almost like there's only there's only three people in the world. Yes, yes, um,
so this is uh you know, and Nixon, yeah once once.
Nixon is very much down to talk with China. But
it is not that simple because since the diplomatic situation
has been done for so very long, there aren't like

(14:42):
US diplomats in China that we can like send a
message through, right like you literally don't have those ties.
So the US does have ways of communicating with the
Chinese government there through back channels, though, because you can't
admit publicly that you're doing it because Taiwan is your
ally and Taiwan doesn't want to acknowledge that the Chinese
government is legitimate government. Very um. One of the back
channels is through the leader of Communist Romania, Nikolai Chechescu,

(15:05):
and the other, oh, Nikolai Nikolaia is not the bad
guy of this story. Is your hero, not your hero,
but let's call him a benign force in this specific
in yeah. The other is through the military dictator of Pakistan,

(15:25):
General Adha Mohammed Yaya Khan. Now we should probably talk
a little bit of history here. In seven, the British
gave up ruling over the Indian subcontinent finally. As a rule,
whenever colonial powers leave their former possessions, they attempted to
set up states based on their pre existing alliances and
racial biases. This is why we have, for example, the
entire modern map of the Middle East. In this case

(15:47):
of the Indian Subcontinent, what had once been a colony
was split into India and Pakistan. India is obviously Hindu majority,
in Pakistan as a Muslim majority nation. Now, if you
know your English colonialists, you know they're not very good maps.
So the Brits divvying up the subcontinent, decide that Pakistan
should include two huge chunks of land separated by more
than a thousand miles of India. West Pakistan is the

(16:10):
Pakistan we know and love today, right, classic Pakistan, like
the Yeah, East Pakistan is like the new Coke of Pakistan,
except for now it's Bangladesh, right, Um, But at the
time Bangladesh is East Pakistan. And there's just like a
whole funkload to India in between the two, which is
there's like a line that Pakistani people will say at

(16:30):
the time that like East and West Pakistan are only
united by religion. Um, the English language and Pakistan Airlines
and by far, Pakistan Airlines is the strongest of the three. Um.
Cool England once again, I mean, just guy, what do
you say we put a blind photo on and then

(16:51):
trying to pin the town on this junk and the
the fact that Indian partition, that England partitions India at all,
is a humanitarian crisis an incomprehensible scale. As many as
two million people died, often as the result of horrific
racial or religious violence. And Henry Kiston just hearing that, like,
hold on, I'm getting hard. I can do better. That's nothing.

(17:12):
I can beat those rookie numbers. A week Where do
I send congratulations? Cord tended twenty millionaire displaced. But even
though East and West Pakistan are supposed to be united
by faith, there's like massive ethnic divides, right, Like they're not.
The fact that they're all ostensibly Muslim does not mean anything,
because like they're completely different parts of the world with
completely different chuncks of history. Right, And at least America

(17:34):
learns this lesson. Yes, thankfully, we we get this right.
You know, by the time we get into Pakistan, we're
done with the stupid stuff. We're faking a vaccine drive
in order to steal people's blood. Yeah, they're good. Guys
are back. You know how to fix this? Yeah? Um

(17:55):
so yeah, here's the Smithsonian magazine kind of laying out
the relationship between East and West Pakistan. By the time
Kissinger and Nixon take office, with most of the ruling
elite having immigrated westward from India, West Pakistan was chosen
as the nation's political center. Between nineteen forty seven and
nineteen seventy, East Pakistan had only twenty five percent of
the country's industrial investments and thirty percent of its imports,

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despite producing fifty nine percent of the country's exports. West
Pakistani elites saw their Eastern countrymen as culturally and ethnically inferior,
and an attempt to make Urdu the national language less
than ten percent of the population of East Pakistan had
a working knowledge of Urdu was seen as further proof
that East Pakistan's interests would be ignored by the government.
Making matters worse, the powerful, powerful Bolas cyclone hit East

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Bangladesh in November of nineteen seventy, killing three hundred thousand people.
Despite having more resources at their disposal, West Pakistan offered
a sluggish response to the disaster. As French journalist Paul
Dreyfus said of the situation, over the years, West Pakistan
behaved like a poorly raised, egotistical guest, devouring the best
dishes and leaving nothing but scraps and leftovers for East Pakistan.

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So school, it's not great. It's not great. And Pakistan's
military is what's in charge, right, It's a military dictatorship.
They run everything and they are hyper focused on India,
who is their primary geopolitical rival. In nineteen Pakistan attempts
to invade cash Mere, sparking a vicious conflict. And I'm
not giving you the whole the detail of the conflict

(19:20):
between India and Pakistan. Please don't take this as me
throwing all of the blame on one side or the other.
This is just like the Barsted Cliffs notes, because we
have a lot to cover in this episode. Um, and
the US, it's worth noting, had been selling arms to
both countries in nineteen six. Yeah, I know, American strange.
Come on, so our history is so different. Lbj's administration

(19:44):
was forced by public outcry as a result of this
to issue an arms embargo on both nations. Pakistan saw
the embargo is unfairly harming them, and as a result,
there was bad blood among the high command towards the
Democratic Johnson administration. By the time Kissinger and Nixon are
in the White House, the president of Pakistan is again
this guy Yahya Khan. We'll just call him Yaya because

(20:05):
it's fun to say. Yeah. Um. He took power in
March of nineteen sixty nine by forcing out another general
in instituting martial law. Kissinger once wrote of him, yah
Ya is tough, direct and with a good sense of humor.
He talks in a very clipped way. Is a splendid
product of Sandhurst and affects a sort of social naivete.
But it's probably much more complicated than this. Now, Sandhurst

(20:27):
is like the British Royal Military Academy. It's like a
broadly speaking British West Point. Um. Yahya affected an English air.
He carried like a swagger stick. He dresses like he's
a British officer. He acts like he's a British officer. Right. Um.
He is also a raging alcoholic, one of Haistani politician noted.
He starts with Kooniak for breakfast and continues drinking throughout

(20:48):
the day night, often finding him in a sodden state.
So he's a break just a drunk dude who always
carries a stick for hitting horse. It's very ton h Yeah,
I mean Churchill drank a too, right, I mean yes, absolutely,

(21:11):
It's just something about kay was on meth for a
decent chunk of his early presidency. Wow, it's we're like
when we point out that a guy like Yahya is drunk,
it is not to contrast him with Western leaders. Is
just some kind of aren't drunk? I think I think um, um,
what's his name? The guy who came after Nixon but

(21:34):
not right after Carter, probably pretty sober in the White House. Yeah,
but his brother was making brother. But I was like,
I'll tell you, well, I'll drink from German. I'll problem. Oh,
Billy Billy Carter should have been the president and we
would have gotten some ship done. Honestly, I'm fine with that.

(21:55):
I'm fine with that different trajectory. Let's see what he
Cole bad could pocket. Let's dance. In nineteen seventy, Yah
Yah decides to hold an election which is meant to
be more for show than anything else. Right, it's this
thing you do because he's Pakistan is definitely India is
a neutral country. They're not on the side of the
Soviet Union or the US and the stupid Cold War thing.
They're very intelligently like, what what does it benefit us

(22:17):
to pick one side? Like fun that stuff. Um. But
they also because India has got much more of a
socialist especially early on, is much more of a socialist government,
there's a lot of distrust from them in the United States,
and Pakistan really leans on that to be buddy buddy
with the United States more um and one of the
ways as part of like his attempts to get closer

(22:37):
and closer to the US because he wants arms like
everybody who gets buddy buddy with the U. S Um
Yah Yah decides to hold an election because we love
seeing people have elections. We don't really care how they go,
but we like seeing them. You know. Um, it's sport,
it's sport. Yeah, So he's allowed, he has a selection
and his plan is to like basically rig it so
that you know, it doesn't mean anything, It doesn't take

(22:59):
any power away from the military. But yeah, Yah is
not good at anything. This is an important thing to know.
He's really bad at every thing he does. That breakfast
Kanyec had anything to do with, they probably question. So
this election gets out of his hands immediately. East Pakistan
is much larger than West Pakistan, and while West Pakistan's
votes are split between parties, like there's a bunch of

(23:21):
different conflicting political parties, nearly everyone in East Pakistan gets
in line behind the same party, the Awami League. Um,
they're big things. They want autonomy from West Pakistan, you know,
and they're very angry at like the fact that they're
getting sucked over by the West. So the West, which
is doing the fucking over, has a bunch of minor
ship they're quabbling over. The East is just united behind

(23:42):
let's stop getting sucked over. And as a result, they
get a shipload of people elected in this massive block
um and they come to it's enough that they will
completely dominate elector like the Parliament of Pakistan because of
like how well this election goes for them. Yeah Yah
does not like this, and rather than allowing the newly
did assembly to sit, he cancels their first meeting and
declares martial law. Yeah. Riots follow. The leader of the

(24:07):
Owami League, a guy named Shaik Mujibur Rahman I, apologize
for what is surely a mispronunciation declared a civil disobedience movement.
It was into this volatile situation that Henry Kissinger stepped
in the spring of nineteen Now, he and Nixon had
pretty good relations with West Pakistan's government, which is at
this point, you know, just ya ya. They were loath

(24:27):
to trust India since it was non aligned. Nixon also
was very racist and hated the fact that India's democracy
was popular among Americans, while the country maintained close ties
with the USSR, he once told Yahya quote, there is
a psychosis in this country about India. Now, a big
part of Nixon's hatred of India is that it's led
by a woman, Indira Gandhi. Oh yeah, we'll be talking

(24:49):
more about that in a second. Yahya, on the other hand,
is one of the few people on planet Earth that
Richard Nixon comes to consider as a friend, one of
Nixon's one of Yeah, I they're both drunk assholes. They
don't remember the friendship that God was it important to
the um. One of Kissinger's aids later said of the situation.
They liked him. He was a soldier, he had style,

(25:12):
He was kind of a jaunty guy. Uh this this aide.
Hodgkinson admits that Yahya was not very smart, but says
that for Nixon and Kissinger, he was a man's man.
He wasn't some woman running a country. Right. But it
sounds like we're talking about how people talking about Yelson, Right,
He's a man's man as he sees the Secret Services
tracking him down drunk in the middle of d C. Yeah, yeah, Yelson,

(25:37):
who was passed out on the plane. I forget he
was supposed to meet and he was passed that on
the plane and they were like, Boris, Boris, and he's like, no, notes,
Boris non if Look, if if if we had kept
every world leader after that point to the standards of
drunkenness that Yelson set, we wouldn't be having this war
right now, I'll tell you that much. We might have
had other wars. Well, some weird in the middle of

(26:00):
the night too, and he'd be like, dropped the nuke,
you know, and they'd be like, buddy, like the next
day but I don't remember what I said. They're like,
thank god. Yeah, we need to institute a mandatory drink
minimum for all elected leaders in this country. Bush sobriety
did not help. If you can't force term limits, you

(26:20):
can force liver cancer. Yes, we can. We can brute
force our way into getting him out of office after
a year. Two. Hey, do you know who else can
force liver cancer? Oh? Well, we are sponsored by stolych
Naya vodka, which is now illegal in several states for
reasons about It's remarkable. It's like, it's just how are

(26:46):
we so dumb? Are we so dumb? It's amazing that
in this like deeply ugly and complicated situation, where large
numbers of people are suffering, Americans recognize that the right
thing to do is destroyed bottles of domestically the country
is involved in the conflict, They're they're taking Finnish vodka
and just throwing it into the streets. Great country. Here's

(27:15):
some other ads. Ah, we're back man man. So this
is not a Nixon mini series, but in order to
talk about the friendship, the deep and abiding love that
the two men had, there is an incredible paragraph from
the book The Blood Telegram by Gary Bass that I'm

(27:37):
going to read now. Despite all his global FaceTime, Nixon
was a solitary, awkward, reclusive man. Kissinger, who could not
bring himself to say that he was fond of the president,
once famously asked, can you imagine what this man would
have been had somebody loved him? Oh? My god, Kissinger, Kissinger,

(28:00):
that's the saddest thing I can imagine. You're being like
nobody really like, if only someone had loved this man,
who haven't met anyone who had the blood? Can you imagine?
Nixon's only true friend was Babe Roboso, a Florida banker.
He said, it doesn't come natural to me to be
a buddy, buddy boy. Even hr Holdeman, the White House

(28:22):
chief of staff, worried that the Boss was too much
in his own head and once tried to find the
President a friend, tracking down an oil man whom Nixon
had reportedly liked in his Los Angeles days, and him
in a bogus White House. Okay, listen, listen, listen, listen.
The movie needs to be written. It's like driving Miss Daisy,

(28:46):
but with a body count. Yeah, I love you, Yeah,
I love you, man with war crimes. Yeah. Okay. So,
so James Franco is someone in this movie. So I'm
gonna I'm gonna work in the White House, but I
can't act like I'm there to meet him, even though
that's my whole thing is that's right. So yeah, So
I'm just good at so. So, so I have to

(29:08):
like try to get in. Just drink with him, Just
drink with him and eat pineapple and whatever he wants
to do, just do it. He's gonna he's gonna want
to put weird things in pineapple. He's gonna get really
drunk and cry on your shoulder. He's got a bomb.
Several Southeast Asians, are you guys talking about? Sorry, okay, fella,

(29:28):
like your face. My name, my name is Bobby, and
I sorry my my pineapple And for lunch, I have
pineapple and cottage cheese every day and it's it's it
just got out of my best meals. Absolutely the best
lunch tray you listen to. That's all I eat in between,

(29:49):
in between just guzzling vodka. That's generally what I have.
Am I on a cand of camera something you guys
around are you talking about? I mean, my heart is it?
But I feel I need to lay down. P oh god,
you're great. I You're my favorite president, and thank you
for killing so many people. If you're hr Halderman, right,
how do you recognize that you are trying to make

(30:12):
play dates for a man? It's bombing illegally multiple nations
and not go democracy and all politics as a sham.
I must go down in flames to take everyone out
around me, because that is the only justice that can
be achieved. Is like and the bubble that the Good
Witch and the Wizard of Oz lives in, Like he's

(30:32):
on that level of It's like at some point you
have to wake up and be like, Okay, look these
guys are bombing the ship out of country, and my
goal is to find the president a buddy. Yeah yeah,
I have to get him a friend. I'm looking, I'm
trying to get him a friend. He might do something
crazy if it doesn't happen any oh, god crazy. I

(31:00):
just it's great. It's just it's just like you have
a president who doesn't have a friend. Like that's what
presid who doesn't have a friend. And that's a big
part of why when it comes to deciding who should
be the US intermediary to talk with maw yeah yeah,
wins out over Cichesko because Nixon likes ya. You know.
That's that's about That's a big part of it, not
the whole reason, but that's a big part of it.

(31:21):
Now and again, let's just let's remind everybody it was great,
so I can't flawless flawless man. Also, by the way,
great death. If we are going to talk about punishing
death a lot more, I'll go so far as to
say most of the people we name in these episodes
could have handled a Chowchesco. Absolutely a bad way for

(31:42):
him to go out. Um So when it comes to
time to decide, yes anyway, they go with yeah, yeah, Now,
by one again. Spring of seventy one is when all
of this political stuff with East Pakistan's coming to have
these protests are happening. You know, things are on the brink.
They're of kind of like a civil conflict. Kissinger has
been the center of US policy for three years at
this point, right U s foreign policy, and folks in

(32:05):
d C by seventy one are amazed at the degree
to which he has centralized power. His junior Southeast Asia
aide Sam Hoskinson recalled, the power was there, he was
gathering it up. You felt like you were at the
political center of the universe, he and the president. That
was where the decisions were made. What it sounds like
a democracy to me, baby. And you know what, instead

(32:28):
of getting away from that, let's just replicate it forever.
Let's just do versions of this forever, but with people
who are well not Yeah, let's just do versions of
this forever. I'm even gonna try to quantify it. Yeah.
At age forty eight, Kissinger was new enough to power
that he was noted at the time as being extremely
jealous of anyone who might be seen as arrival. He
focused obsessively on pleasing Nixon. Henry himself had no particular

(32:51):
biases against India or Indian politicians, at least not compared
to Nixon. But when he saw how racist his boss was,
he knuckled down and found his inner bigot. He was
successful enough that Nixon said of him, Henry is my
least pathological pro India lover around here. God, good work, Henry.
You did it, buddy, you won. He won the worst thing.

(33:13):
In late nineteen seventy, Kissinger in Yah Yeah, began to
make plans for a brokered secret meeting between the United
States and China as a thank you for his help.
In October of nineteen seventy, Yeah Yeah, got to visit
the White House in person, where Nixon agreed to sell
weapons to his country again. Now this is illegal because
there's an arms embargo which does not get lifted, but

(33:34):
they decide we'll just do it. It'll be a limited
violation of I believe that there was a loophole for
um Yeah. Have you got drunk with me? Um Born
and Kanya quote from the Blood Telegram. Yeah Yeah. Got
a reward for his efforts in late nineteen In late

(33:55):
October nineteen seventy, when he met Nixon in the Oval
office at the White House. In their last meeting before
the crisis erupted, Nixon began to sell weapons to Yaya again,
and what was officially built as a one time exception
to the U. S. Arms embargo imposed on both India
and Pakistan in nineteen sixty five. It was the kind
of exception that demolishes the rule. That embargo had already
been eroding under under Johnson. But now Yaya secured a

(34:16):
moderately big hall, a harbinger of much larger ones likely
to come. The promised weapons included six F one oh
four fighter planes, seven B fifty seven bombers, and three
armored personnel carriers. When I guess what's going to be
done with the weapons, we send him nothing. Yep, that's right.
Episodes done. Alright, we all had fun. Ah. In March

(34:40):
of nineteen seventy one, Mushibor who is the He's like
the guy, the East Pakistani political leader write who runs
this party that wins the elections. He meets with Yaya
and Dhaka, which is the capital of East Pakistan, in
an attempt to reach an agreement over the elections. Yaya
had just decided to ignore at first, an agreement was
already yeah electoral vous yeah um so at first yeah, yeas, like, hey,

(35:05):
we settled things great. And then the very next day
he has Mushibur arrested and send sixty thou soldiers into
East Pakistan. Um now, actually, I say sins in. These
guys have been slowly infiltrating the country for weeks by
air because you have to like fly a man, right,
they can't just like drive anywhere because there's India in
between the two. They embarked on an operation called Searchlight.
And I'm going to quote now from an article in

(35:27):
the New Yorker. Firing squads spread out across East Pakistan,
sometimes assisted by local collaborators from his Lamist groups that
had been humiliated in the elections. In the countryside where
the armed resistance was strongest, the Pakistani military burned and
strafed villages, killing thousands and turning many more into refugees. Hindus,
who composed more than ten percent of the population, were targeted.

(35:47):
Their un muslimnus ascertained by a quick inspection underneath their clothing.
Tens of thousands of women were raped in a campaign
of terror. Bengali's also murdered and raped Urdu speaking Muslims,
whom they suspect of being Fifth columnists. For West Pakistan.
Archer Blood, the US Consul General Nandaca, among others, reported
the slaughter of professors and students at Dhaka University an
attempt to silence the intellectual class who had eloquently articulated

(36:10):
Bengali grievances. So Archer Blood is in the Blood Telegram
really goes into detail about this guy. One of the
very few cases of a powerful state department, of a
state department official with some power who's like a genuinely
good person. Blood works all over for the state department name.
He does have the worst Like he's like, yeah, so

(36:34):
I was like you should shoot fire arrows. He has
opportunities to be in like what are considered more prestigious postings,
including Greece, but he doesn't want to be in Greece
because it's a CIA back dictatorship at this point. And
ben Gal you know what becomes Bangladesh is like he
feels like I can do something there. Right. It's this
place that has a lot of like legitimate problems, but

(36:54):
also there's this like burgeoning democratic movement and people are
like taking and he's renowned in the area for like
being incredibly social with Bengalis, you know, like his kids
make friends with local children who live around. They invite
them into their home and have slumber parties. Like he's
just like a like a nice person, right, and they're
not gonna rise to Yeah, who wants that guy? Blood

(37:14):
sends a telegram to Nixon and Kissinger. Um, you know, Dave,
when we tweeted about this, you asked, will there be blood?
And I said there was going to be a blood telegram.
This is what that is. Um. In the blood telegram,
Archer Blood attacks the Nixon administration for their deafening silence
towards the violence in Bangladesh and moral bankruptcy in the

(37:35):
face of what he turned to genocide. And this gets
signed by every diplomatic official who's in usin Daka. Um.
This enrages Nixon, and Kissinger soothed his boss by saying
that Consul in Dacca doesn't have the strongest nerves, basically like, oh,
he's just he's just getting scared by a little massacre
of all of the students. And Professor C. H. Blood.

(37:57):
I can't I cannot believe his last name is Blood.
Really would work better for my last name. You know
why my last name is about kissing and he has
blood kissing, you're kissing, I'm bloody the use um, Kissinger added,
And this is him now talking about what Yahya is

(38:18):
doing in East Pakistan. Quote, the use of power against
seeming odds pays off. He's very impressed by the fact
that that yeah, yeah, gains control of East Pakistan with
just a few thousand soldiers. You know, he's really impressed.
So there's a bunch of people get angry. You know. Um.
One of the big people who's most vociferous in the
US government against what's happening in East Pakistan is Ted Kennedy. Um.

(38:41):
He is like a really like like takes this on
as like a banner crusade. Um. So you know, once again,
people get very angry at the administration for what's going on. Uh.
Nixon tells Kissinger. Quote the people who bitch about Vietnam
bitch about it because we intervened and what they say
as a civil war. Now some of the same beasts
want us to intervene here both civil wars. Is being like,

(39:03):
see how inconsistent they are? Yeah, you know, pick what
do you want do? You think selling arms to one
side in a civil war might be intervening? Is that?
Is it possible? We're not going to do that. We're
not going to do that. Oh yeah, needs how many
more muscles? So kissing your writes up a policy paper

(39:28):
in which he urges the U s to quote make
a serious effort to help Yaya into the war he'd started.
And again, this isn't even really a civil war. East
Pakistan isn't like mobilizing a vast army to fight for
their independence they like voted and then kill them all
civil it does they start to be guerrillas and like

(39:50):
the Indian government starts sending weapons into like the guerilla
fighters in East Pakistan, but like the massacres start first.
Well and again I mean like so what you're saying there,
he held an election. I mean this would be like
if David Cameron just yeah, had tanks the day after
bregsit Yeah yeah, yeah, god, that would I would have

(40:14):
marginally better. I guess Britain somehow colonizes the EU. Oh
my god, Britain finally colonizes itself. I said that you
work for us, body work for you? Now you do?
We already did with British. You will work for the
British now, yeah, and because of their Sandrist educations, Gareth,

(40:34):
your same fake accent can work for Yaya lovely yea.
So Jack on the mine, I think Nixon responds to
Kissinger's policy paper with a handwritten note that he adds
to the paper saying, don't squeeze ya ya at this time?
Do you want to advice under normal circumstances in May?

(41:02):
In May India, and this is you know, India. There's
a degree of legitimate concern among Indian people for like
the humanitarian crisis. There's also politically, there's tons of refugees,
right and so there's also this like very blunt political like, well,
we can't let this be happening because refugees are a
political problem for us, right there. States. You know, nations
don't make decisions ever because it's the right thing or

(41:23):
the wrong thing to do. But India's broadly speaking on
the right side of this one. I think that's fair
to say. Um So, because they're watching what's happening. India
starts massing troops on the border of East Pakistan in
order to potentially intervene um but they don't do anything yet. Um.
Nixon tells Kissinger to cut off economic aid to India
if they intervene in this genocide, and Kissinger responds, quote,

(41:46):
the last thing we can afford to do and now
is to have the Pakistani government overthrown, given the other
things that we are doing. This is a clear reference
to their their plans to meet with China right these
very directly saying the reason we can't let anything happen
to Yaya's government, even though they're carrying out a genocide,
is because we need him to get to China. Um. Now.
Kissinger follows this up with a sop to Nixon's racism,

(42:09):
calling Indians quote the most aggressive goddamn people around there. Again.
I mean, it's obviously like the projection is obviously insane.
Nixon responds by telling Kissinger that what India needs is
a mass famine. Kissinger she Kissinger does not disagree, and

(42:30):
he follows up by saying India has no right to
invade another country. Quote no matter what Pakistan doesn't, it's territory.
You know. Okay, I'm gonna take a five. You guys
can keep going. I'm gonna take a five. You guys
keep going. Now, that's fine. I'm gonna got real concerned
about national sovereignty. Can you imagine someone doing something like that? Yeah,
we can discuss, given the history of the United States

(42:52):
of the whole, who gets to fairly complain about violations
of national sovereignty? But definitely not Henry Kissinger. Like everhere,
not this guy. Right, It's like the fucking dudes from
the Bush administration yelling at like what Russia is doing
in Ukraine, not that the Russian actions in it is

(43:12):
like no, not you, not you. Yeah, there's a lot
of people we don't want to hear from that. You're
absolutely not. Um, So Kissinger assures his boss. Besides, the
killing has stopped, so it's fine. It had not. As
a head said, nuts, it has not. In April of

(43:33):
nineteen seventy month, which is, by the way, the you
know Archer Blood, the State Department official who does everything
possible to get the US to act, Kissinger and Nixon
fire him, get him immediately. Gotta get that guy out
of there, right, he's terrible. He doesn't know what he's
talking about. Yeah. Now, in April of nineteen seventy one,
the same month as the Blood Telegram, and Nixon receives

(43:54):
his official invitation from the Chinese, from the Chinese government,
and it's again, it's a secret invitation, right, you know,
everything's because they don't know that it's gonna like work.
You can't just have Nixon go to China first. You
have to send someone ahead of time to handle early negotiations.
Like it's a it's a whole process. It's a China. Yeah,
it's a pre China. You gotta yeah, you gotta loub
up your China before you get that dick. Yeah, before

(44:17):
you get that dick in there. Actually, that's right. Um. Nixon,
gleeful tells Kissinger to go Kissinger is the lube in
this situation, tells Kissinger to go in secretly and handle
these early negotiations. He claims that this visit to China

(44:37):
they're planning will be a quote, a great watershed in history,
perhaps clearly the greatest since World War Two, And that's
what Nixon says. Kissinger, being a kiss ass, responds by saying, no, no,
it'll be the greatest since the Civil War. I mean,
my god, the idea that you're following that up with, no. Yeah.

(44:59):
So July came and Kissingers set off for Southeast Asian
what was billed as a diplomatic tour of the region,
but obviously is in reality a secret diplomatic mission code
named Oh Boy, Operation Marco Polo. For fox sake, I mean,
at least just get a better marketing. It's like Nixon,

(45:24):
NI listened to me, Marco Polo. First on the water, Marco.
So Nixon visits India and then he flies to West
Pakistan Um and shortly after landing, he drinking. He fakes
the stomach bug to get his stomach pumped. No, no, no,

(45:46):
So he's like, tell everybody, I'm shooting. Yeah, tell everyone
I'm pooping. Tell him I'm on the toilet shooting my
brains out. So he cancels. Kissinger cancels a couple of
days of planned meetings, and then while he's supposed to
be sick, he boards in secret especial plane flies from
Islamabad to Beijing. Now I'm gonna quote from a rite
up in The Daily Star, which was an Indian newspaper

(46:07):
that summarizes what happens next. During Kissinger's China visit, both
sides discussed a variety of issues. Kissinger found Zawin Lai,
who had studied in France and Germany from nineteen nineteen
twenty three to be a very articulate person who could
converse even in German Kissinger's mother tongue with ease. Both
leaders agreed on recognizing Communist China as the only China
and allotting a permanent seat in the u u N

(46:27):
Security Council to Beijing instead of Taiwan. The situation in
the Indian subcontinent was discussed into tail on which they
had similar views, with both expressing their own wavering support
to Pakistan. Zao brief Kissinger about the Indo Chinese border
skirmishes and brave and blamed India for provocations. Both leaders
had complete convergence of views on Yaya stand on the
Bangladesh issue. Kissinger flew back to Paris and reached Washington

(46:49):
on July. So, okay, good, I mean like again, like, yes,
they should be talking. Yes, this is fine. Yes. If
you're going to have a security council, Jan should probably
sit on it rather than fucking Taiwan. Um. Also, it's
just a shame that it needs to come from mainly alcoholics. Yeah,

(47:12):
like that. In order to make the right decisions, it
needs to come on the back of genocides and blackouts. Yeah,
and like I feel like probably if the Nixon administration
had had just like announced publicly through like the global media,
we're we were wrong the United States and our policy
towards Taiwan, and we want to recognize China and establish

(47:32):
relationships with them and put them on the you if
they just like said that in like a news thing,
probably China would have been like, oh, okay, this all
could have happened. But but that also would have looked
weak by the standards of like politics, right, it would
have looked like begging. And so they're not going to
do that. They're going to do this instead because it
it looks for the base, who you know, just wanted

(47:54):
Vietnamese and can't Bundy people to be fucking massacred so
they'd feel better, like, yeah, it's the base, we're talking
about base blood. And they fired him. That's really So
when he got back to d C and sat down
with his boss, Kissinger excitedly relayed the story of the
cloak and Dagger exercise. That's he's very excited that he
got to deal with James bond Um, he tells Kissinger

(48:17):
or Kissinger tells Nixon quote, Yah, yah, hasn't had such
fun since the last Hindu massacre. Oh there needs you
need you just like bring in another I mean, blood
would have been a good person. But there just needs
to be a regular persons like, Hey, I'm sorry, we
can't talk like that. You guys keep really comfy with

(48:39):
this language. Is it's really not okay? Yeah, nobody says that.
Goddam there has to be like some motherfucker cleaning up.
Nixon's like puke in the corner. Just a janitor who
just like quietly shakes his head every time. Yeah to camera, Yeah, yeah,
they've got a gym in there. Yeah, so that the bartender,

(48:59):
but no wing bar tender. Just imagine that coming out
of your mouth. Yeah, you're you can't. It's not a
joke when you say that while there's a genocide going on. Enocide,
So that sounds a lot about it. You celebrating a
guy killing people. You realize how cool you gotta look.
I don't have a friend, but if I did so um.

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On July nineteen seventy one, Richard Nixon addressed the United
States and told everyone that Henry Kissinger had just conducted
a secret mission which had concluded with an agreement for
Nixon to travel to Beijing and negotiate. By this point,
hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi civilians were dead and more
than a million had been made refugees. India was edging
closer and closer to war over the whole matter, and

(49:42):
it was the considered opinion of the defense establishment that
they would win fairly easily. India had started arming the
Bengali guerrilla fighters at this point, and during one meeting
on the matter, Nixon described Indians as quote a slippery,
treacherous people who would like nothing better than to use
this tragedy to destroy Pakistan. So Fox, I mean, you
can't even talk about I mean, it's like you can't

(50:04):
even say shit anymore. Yeah, it's just it's just insane.
Not yeah, yeah, it's just it's just so crazy. How
this this you know, this is imperialism, colonialist language. It's
just never faded. No, No, it's just always guys in power.
They've been talking like this is the fucking it's never stopped.

(50:25):
It's the I mean, this guy's not you couldn't really
call him in power, but it's that fucking journalist for
whoever talking about like Ukraine and like this is the
first war between civilizations, Like what the fuck do you know?
It's quite different to see people who are white in
European do it. That feels quite different. And the way
he's carefully that journalists you're talking about the way he's
carefully picking his language, and he's like, you're like, wait,

(50:46):
this is your thoughtful version, your delicate statement. He cut
the slurs out, you know. Yeah, it was like, gotta
be carefully, I'm gonna say some dirty words because Nixon
and they absolute at least say yeah. Um. So the
outcry domestically and internationally reaches a fever pitch at this

(51:07):
point kind of late summer nineteen seventy one, and in August,
the escalating crisis pushes India to sign a formal treaty
of friendship with the Soviet Union. Anti communists Nixon included
considered this a disaster and as good as an end
to India's neutrality, but condemning yah yah or stopping the
sale of US weapons to a country committing genocide was
not considered an option. Yeah Yeah had to be kept

(51:30):
in power until the China trip was conclusively locked down.
The blood telegram After a while after Kissinger returned from Beijing,
he said, we cannot turn on Pakistan, and I think
it would have disastrous consequences with China that after they
gave us an airport, we massacre them. In this case,
for Kissinger, massacre meant putting pressure on a government, not

(51:50):
the actual massacres. I mean they've done so many massacres
that massacres aren't massacres anymore. Yeah, this is the only thing,
Henry Kisses, you're ever described as a massacre people to
to Nixon's drunk genocide. But Nixon, meanwhile, I was committing
a genocide. That's good. That's good that you know what,

(52:16):
somebody make a Nixon themed gin cocktail genocide. It should
be red in color pineapples, A little bit of a
little bit of your own puke from the first simple So.
Also in August, George Harrison and Ravi Shankar organized a

(52:37):
benefit concert in New York supporting relief efforts in Bangladesh.
Nixon brushed this off to Kissinger, saying, quote by Afra
stirred up a few Catholics. But you know, I think
by Afra stirred people up more than Pakistan because Pakistan.
They're just a bunch of goddamn brown Muslims for fu
sa fucking Christ. Yeah, well, if we need to bomb

(52:57):
the Beatles, yea, the Beetle the only one we could
keep his ringo. He seems like we could maybe shift him. Yeah,
we're back again. I mean, it's like you, you would
expect and again, I mean, or at least in my head,

(53:18):
at some point, you would expect someone to just be like, guys,
what the fu And at least even if it didn't
even if it didn't really change anything, it would at
least change the casual language. And racism is just kind
of tossed around, or someone would be like, hey, you
shouldn't be recording all this. Yeah, boy, you shouldn't be

(53:40):
recording all this. Dickyould, I had stop on this. Yeah.
The Nixon administration Nixon did Xon was like, I think
we got a mall and it might be drunk me.
I think the black out raised recording us. We did
a final war on night Nixon. On October, the People's

(54:00):
Republic of China was admitted to the UN as a
permanent member of the Security Council again. They seedy been
occupied for Taiwan by years, Taiwan gets like let out
very unceremoniously, China gets put in place. The People's Republic
of China's representatives celebrates with a vocal attack on quote
American imperialists and they're running dogs. But nobody took this seriously.
It was generally referred to as firing by empty cannons.

(54:22):
You know, you're China, you gotta get you gotta you
gotta throw out your attack on the U S. But like,
you know, everybody's getting along at this moment. By November again,
we when we we just talked about the guy who
built that giant mountain sized cannon for Saddam. Like not
long after this, the CIA is like illegally helping that
arms designers subvert international treaties to sell cannons to China

(54:43):
because China's you know, not on good terms with the
USS are. It's all just like brinksmanship. Political function doesn't
match up with some of the history in this country,
that's right, So uh yeah this. By November of nineteen
seventy one, more than ten million people had been made
refugees by the violence in Bangladesh. Jeoffrey Davis, a doctor

(55:04):
who was brought into the country by the UN later
to perform late term abortions on rape victims. Again, this
is like so part of what happens is the systemic
mass rape by Pakistani soldiers of Bangladeshi women. They the
u N brings a doctor in afterwards to like perform
the abortions on these rape victims. The estimate before this

(55:25):
doctor comes in is that between two hundred and four
hundred thousand Bengali women had been raped, and Jeffrey Davis says, oh,
it's way more than that. Oh my god, it's much
more than that. The CIA estimates two hundred thousand civilians
are murdered in this period. Given where the U S
stands on this issue, you might not want to trust
the CIA's numbers. Now. The Soviet newspaper Pravda estimates some

(55:46):
three million dead, which is also likely not entirely accurate,
but it's probably closer than the CIA's numbers. Credible low
estimates of the death toll are over half a million.
It is very likely that between one and two million
Bengalis were murdered. One and a half million is often
what you will hear, um probably pretty fair, although any
kind of exact count is obviously impossible. But this is

(56:08):
a git acide on the Titanic scale. You know. In December,
West Pakistan declared war on India. Remember, yeah, yeah, is
not good at things? Um so, I mean, I mean,
he's again breakfast k crazy shit. So their man declares
war again, yah Ya declares war. That's right, yeah, Nixon

(56:35):
and kissing your blame this on Indira Gandhi. This is
why I kind of woman in India. Nixon tells Henry
that it makes your heart sick to see Pakistan be
done so by the Indians. And after we have after
we've warned the bitch, after sorry, I cut you off. Yeah,

(56:57):
and after we have warned the bitch, I mean again,
it's like you're not in a tavern. This is the
fucking White House. Should we put that in a fresh
in an official press statement. Let's talk about it in
the morning. Then let's call her a horror. Then let's
just yah Yah proved to be as bad at war

(57:18):
as he was good at being friends with Dick Nixon.
The Indian military curb stomps Pakistan. I cannot exaggerate the
degree to which these guys get their asses handed to them.
Within a week, it is clear that not only is
what West Pakistan going to lose the war, but Pakistan
might not survive as a country as a result of
how badly they're being beaten. Right, Yeah, yeah, it's not

(57:38):
good at anything. Yeah. I want to quote now from
a write up by an Indian veteran. It's very good
at drinking. He's really pretty good drinking. How do you mean? Yeah?
I said, I was sorry. So I want to quote

(57:59):
now from a write up by an Indian veteran of
the conflict for Indie TV, which is another Indian news periodical,
December eight. This Pakistani defenses in East Pakistan. We're following.
Before the onslaught of the Joint Command of the Indian
Army and Bangladeshi Mukti Bahini liberation warriors, Richard Nixon and
Henry Kissinger were busy plotting ways to change the tide
of war or arrest it. Henry Kissinger, in a meeting

(58:20):
with Richard Nixon an Attorney General Newton Mitchell, now to classified,
said he has got a message for you to you
from the shot of Iran, which says he can send
the ammunition to a beleaguered Pakistan. He is doing it now.
What is good? I mean, who can help us here?
The Shah of Iran, the level of lord to stop war? Yeah,

(58:44):
so it was. It was another piece of ship we
can bring in all this. The brilliant diplomat also revealed
that Iran will send fighter planes to protect Jordan from Israel,
while Jordan will send jets to Pakistan for the war
effort against India. Honestly, what is It's? How like an
NFL trade works? Yeah? How could you have thought this

(59:04):
would work? I mean, it's a it's a drunk game
of risk. Yeah it is. He's just wasted playing risk. Um.
The US National Security Advisor also expressed fear that India
would attack West Pakistan in a major way after winning
the war in the east. The Indian plan is now clear.
This is Kissinger. They're going to move their forces from
East Pakistan to the west. They will then smash the

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Pakistan land forces and air forces, annex the Pakistan occupied
part of Kashmir, and then call it off Warrant Henry Kissinger.
When this has happened, the centrifical forces in West Pakistan
would be liberated, but Lukastan on the northwest frontier will
celebrate West Pakistan would become a sort of intricate Afghanistan.
So this is Henry's Afghanistan. That's Henry's concern. So he

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insists this is enough of a disaster that the US
has to send the Seventh Fleet into the Bay of
Bengal in order to scare India. The Seventh is headed
by the U. S. S Enterprise and is widely considered
to be the most powerful naval force on Earth. This
prompts the Russians to send a fleet in as well,
and the world gets to live through another period of
are we going to have a nuclear war? Um Kissinger,

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because he's real good at calming people down, encourages China
to intervene against India and, in Nixon's words, quote, scare
those goddamn Indians to death. China is like, you, maybe
we should go back to the Taiwan thing. It actually
seemed to be this na be a little seemed to
be pretty good. Actually that was working a little better,
I think for you guys. Now you're in hell. Yeah.

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In the end, Kissinger's plan failed. India does not take
his bait, and in late December, Pakistan surrenders to India.
East Pakistan because its own independent nation Bangladesh. Yah Yah
is forced out of office and placed under house arrest,
where he suffers a stroke. Um, so that's I'm gonna
come back. But it's called the comeback kid. Oh you

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mean I can't leave. It'll be fine. So Kissinger claims,
this whole state of affairs, how this all resolves, is
a victory for the Nixon administration announces. He announces this
by saying, congratulations, Mr President, you saved West Pakistan. What
time last night you saved West Packing? Amazing? I mean it,

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I mean two months you didn't. Gratulations being said. Amazing. Now,
two months after the end of the war, Nixon makes
his big visit to China. The media eats it up,
and suddenly Nixon's re election campaign has something to hang
their hats on. Beyond claims that peace and Vietnam is
going to happen one of these days. The taunt with
the Soviets is announced soon after. Right, they do like

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they're good things. Obviously it's good. Like this happens, good
things result from it. Um. During a conversation later that year,
Kissinger tells his boss, no one has yet understood what
we did in India Pakistan and how we saved the
China option, which we need for the blood Russians. Why
should we give a damn about Bangladesh? Well there you go.
That says uh, that says it all right. Yeah, nobody's

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congratulating us on how good of a job we did. Yeah. Well,
I mean in their opinion and their track record of
foreign policy, it's all about egg breaking, yeah, you know,
for whatever version of omelet they insist they're serving. Yeah,
And it's like, yeah, man, I agree us. You know,
Malan fucking uh kissing you or mawen. Nixon should have

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sat down and talked like all of these conversations shouldn't happened.
Did talk with Russia? Good? I feel like you didn't
need to back a genocide to make that happen, you know,
like that wasn't a necessary ingredient. It's it's easy to
look back on a genocide and go was this right
or wrong? But when you're in the middle of a genocide,
you're like, this seems pretty okay. I'm getting I'm getting

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which genocide are you on? How else can I talk
to people? I'm having koonyak with ya ya flying the child,
But I'm here, I'm pretty much blackout drunk for all
of those. Pretty good for a guy, Okay, I walk
on a straight line. Yeah, it's anyway, that's how Henry
Kissinger made peace between the nuclear powers that one. I mean,

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it is the most chaotic, insane, fucking nonsense. It's just crazy. No,
I really it is on a level where I mean,
it's it's it's been hard to process the whole time,
but now it's like it's normalized and you're seeing the
version when they're sort of they're the training wheels have

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been taken off. How much they are actually doing and
getting away with in way like again, I mean, just
to have an adult in the room. Um, but I
mean they fired, you fired the adult obviously. But it
is it is. I mean, it just is absolutely fucking
preposterous that this is not well known about or even

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if it even if it is well known. How the
funk Kissinger keeps showing up over and over again. Oh yeah,
with all these people that people that that that people
are sickophants for for in our in our politics. No,
I can never I can never get over the fact
that Hillary Clinton was campaigning with him, yeah, and that
people are like, oh, look, who's back shady one of

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the things that so this doesn't really like mark on
like the moral list of things that he did wrong.
But I just find it so shameful that like, again,
you have all of these other people, like all of
the hooks we've talked about, like yeah, yeah, like Nixon,
who do horrible things in it, but are like also
getting to like exercising power and like the big men
and like you know, the dudes that the like, I

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don't know, they're they're not like sycophants, whereas Henry is
just sort of like sucking up to everyone around him
in order to further war crimes. Which again, yeah, it
doesn't isn't It doesn't rate discussing on a moral level
compared to everything else. It just is like that's the guy.
He is. Yeah, he's just like a power he's just
like he is not I mean and also, and I

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don't mean to keep beating this drum, but they're drunk. Yeah,
well I don't think Kissinger is but nixons what I mean, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah is a Nixon is a Kissinger is not. And
he's still like that's a pretty good idea. Yeah, you know,
it's be like it would be like if you're around
like like you're in a car ride to Florida with
three drunk guys and they're just like, hey, well what
do we drink last night? The one guys like I

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have a drink, but let's go to Florida. Um. God,
it's man and the blatant racism as far as like
who you're willing to sacrifice, I mean, you know as
usual kiss country where yeah, you just you really do
not give a funk. They really just literally do not
care about anybody who's not They just don't care. Why

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why would they? I mean, if you're them, there's no
referee in this game, so foul. As much as you
want fucking to fucking you know, grow up with the
Nazis right there and watch the Holocaust and then Dave
to his childhood, he didn't was not affected by this
child That's true. Sorry going back to that, but that

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that again, we've we've sort of knocked that domino down.
That did not happen, Like it never occurred. It didn't happen. Clearly, Yes,
you know that's why. Look, that's why he's fine with
what's happening in Bangladesh. She knows it's not going to
affect those kids, the ones who five, those who lived
through history are doomed to repeat it because it was fine,
because it was completely fine. It was fine. Why because

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I said so? Yeah? Uh? Anyway, I just I just
typed in Kissinger's name in to Google, and the first
thing that comes up is you pile vomit? Oh god,
what did he say? Fucking we don't settle the k
crisis start at the end. I don't even want to know. Okay, okay,

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still nonsense, Like, of course, yes, it would be great
to start at the point where there's not a war,
but that's not really helpful and right, Yeah, yeah, thanks buddy, Yeah, okay, whatever,
he's on the same thing. Yeah, he's he's doing kissing,
like what it doesn't matter, Like obviously when you say
there's point things like the fucking nuclear disarmament where like

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you can find moments in history where he's right, It
doesn't matter if if he's right or wrong about a
specific issue, because we see what he actually does, which
is whatever it takes to keep himself close to power,
Like he doesn't believe anything to the extent that he's
ever right or a part of something good, like arms reductions.
It's because that's the thing that the people who he's

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sycophants to want to do. And it doesn't matter that
he supported the opposite thing for years, like because he
doesn't care, because it's a parasite just looking for a Yeah, yeah,
that's the thing. Like I don't get him credit for anything,
Like it's funny. It's funny you say that because all
these articles about about what he said about Ukraine in
two fourteen, so people are going back to like he said,

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and you're like, yeah, I know that guy's if only
he thought to start at the end of the war,
if only we thought of that, Henry great point, Henry solid,
We're gonna start. We're gonna start to go fund me
to get you bones. Yeah, oh god, I who Lord.
If he doesn't die immediately, obviously him dying immediately is

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my primary hope. But I hope if he doesn't die immediately,
he lasts long enough to get sucked into one crypto scam,
you know, just one good cryptocurrency scam. Can we get that?
At least I want him to start his own crypto
called hank Bank. Heck of about ago, I am no

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bull blockchain you can buy a piece of my skin.
Each in ft represents an individual. You well, time Richard
Nixon vomited into my lap, I've become a n f
t oh god, well all right, well well done again
anything here? I mean again, it's getting harder. All right.

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So Robert's getting woozy. Everybody hurring. But like like all politicians,

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I won't entirely keep my promises. Some of that spit's
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