December 31, 2024 • 28 mins
Robert and Sophie sit down to answer your most burning questions and also maybe light some of you on fire depending on the questions you asked.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards,
a podcast by a man who is preparing for the
entrance of the new regime, the need to go underground.
So I'm in my chut block today. You know, if
you're a tall white man and you wear a hoodie
with a deer head on it, you're effectively invisible. So
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I'm I'm I'm prepared for the new world. Are you?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You look great?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Thank you, Sophie. I love my chud hits. It's actually
incredibly comfortable. Hi. Every year after deer season, this exact
hoodie comes on for sale at a store near me,
and so I can get like three for five bucks
each or some shit like that, and they're crazy comfortable.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And uh per usual. I spent the last hour trying
to make myself look nice enuf for the camera. So
people aren't mean to me on the internet.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yep, yep, very different, very unequal situation. But I'm also
not going to spend an more time caring about my appearance.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Fair enough. What are we doing today, Ert.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, Sophie, the same thing we do every night, try
to take over the world of podcasting. Oh wait, we
already did that. Yeah, I guess let's answer some q
and as from our fans.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, so we put out a post on our Instagram
at Bastard's Pod, and many of you sent in questions
and so we're going to try to answer a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah. Yeah. The gist of this situation is, folks, it's
the end of the year. This is when all of
the companies that buy ads are really buying ads, and
it's it's you know, when everybody wants to get as
many people listening as possible. And we decided, rather than
doing something that's zero effort and like you know, running
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more episodes, which we do when we take a break,
we wanted to give you guys a chance to ask
us some questions and also make sure that we're providing
you with new stuff because you crave new stuff. You
won't stop demanding it every instant of our live. Sophie
and I think of nothing but pleasing your insatiable appetites.
So Sophie went on Instagram and asked if you guys
had any questions.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Robert, Yes, what was your least favorite episode to do?
And why.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Least favorite to do? I assume they're asking, ever, I
hate I really unless it's a place where I have
a specific interest. I really hate the Foreign Leader episodes,
Like obviously Stallin's a foreign leader, but I've been reading
about Stalin my whole live. Hitler's a four um, but
I've read more books about Hitler than anybody who's not
a Hitler scholar. But like jay or Bolsonyaro, right, I
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don't know much about Brazilian politics coming in Netan Yahoo,
I don't know much about you know, politics over there.
So like getting up to speed, not just because you can't.
It's not just enough to like learn what was ntyah
Who's childhood, Like, you also have to know like the
dynamics of politics prior to him coming into power, and
like the part like and catching up on all of
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that in a way that you don't totally embarrass yourself.
Is is a lot of work, and it's also nerve
racking because, like, especially again to go back to net Yahoo,
this is a guy who I mean who had been
involved in genocidal activity prior to where we are right now.
But like certainly like it was the kind of thing
where like because of how high the stakes are and
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how bad the things he was up to were like,
oh my god, the anxiety about fucking that up. A
same with Bolsonyaro, right, this guy who's fucking around the
Amazon with indigenous peoples, this dude who is a very
important part of this authoritarian trend. But also me, a
guy who doesn't know much about Brazil. I'm always very
anxious about those episodes. It's they're important to do. We'll
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be doing more of them next year. I just I
always like stress out over because there's no not getting
some stuff wrong, right, Like of.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Course it's it's especially with history because it's so subjective. Yeah, sure,
I really fucking hate when we do the like willedness
camp school things and that, like horrific, horrific kids.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I love suffering kids.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Think they're in a safe place and then they get
you know, insert horrible thing here. Those those episodes, I
really really fucking hate those.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I'm illa lead them up all day.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
We did get this question quite a bit, and people
want to know how you celebrated the passing of Henry Kissinger.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know, to be honest, that was a pretty normal
day for me. Like there's not a lot I'm glad
he's dead, but like he lived an incredibly long life.
And got to do most of the things he wanted
and never really suffered. So it's like, how much like
let's let's say I had a beer. You know, let's
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say I had a beer.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Let's say I had a beer. So cryptic? What the
fuck you sound so unwell? Robert? Is there an episode
talk or individual that you have covered that I've left
you shaken up or angry long after you completed the episode?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Everything we do on healthcare, Yeah, every time we have
done a healthcare I know this is the week that
it is. Every time we talk about the US healthcare system.
I'm fucking livid. Industrial the Hawk's Nest Tunnel disaster Union
Carbide did in Bopaul, India as well, Like both of
those are Union carbide affiliated disasters. Those drive me fucking insane.
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Like to some extent, I find those guys more offensive
than a guy like Hitler, which is not saying that
they're worse than hit because Hitler did kill more people
than like UNID Carbide. But Hitler was like a guy
who very honestly was about murdering people, whereas these guys
are all pretending to be decent men, family men, you know,
just you know, all I'm doing is trying to make
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jobs and provide a valuable part of the economy, and
they are just killing people by fucking the city full.
So yeah, those make me very angry.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I want to ask you one that won't make you
very angry, Robert, what is your opinion on modern Star Trek?
I love most of it, so what they say.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Uh, okay, Lower Dex is my favorite Star Trek thing
since DS nine. Sure, I've seen some episodes of Strange
New Worlds and there's I can see why people like
it a lot. I'm kind of exhausted with that time
period in the Star Trek timeline, Like I want new stuff.
I want fucking a like do one where Rikers like
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an old admiral and we're fucking dealing with starfleet politics
back on Earth at San Francisco. Give me anything where
we're moving forward on the timeline, but we're not leaping
into like weird future warshit Like, I'm not mostly interested
in that stuff. I'm mostly interested with. Actually, part of
why I love DS. I love TNG because it's really
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looking at like what is would a utopia be in
a sense that's actually imaginable as something real that like
something that could exist in some ways. And then Deep
Space nine is asking what would the dark sides of
that utopia be? In particular, not even the dark sides,
because it's less that and more kind of like what
the culture series, you know, dealt with, Like what happens
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when this utopia and the people in it inevitably make
contact or collide with reality or not reality because they
live in reality, but with places that are not utopia,
with places that are different, that are worse, that have
different values, Like what are those clashes like? And that's
what I love in my Star Trek. I don't Star
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Trek's never had good space battles. I'll say that, right.
I mean, every now and then you get like a
Wolf three five nine or something. There's some pretty cool
shit there, but like, fucking a, there's that one scene
in Serenity is a better space battle in terms of
like an interesting, cool looking space battle that ever got
shot in Star Trek. But I don't watch Star Trek
for space battles. I've got other shit for space battles.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That was very thorough.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Uh this question, who is your fantasy guest?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Fantasy guest? Uh? Marissa Tomay During the my cousin Vinny.
Uh were were talking about fantasy here.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think they wow very specific. I think they mean,
if you could have anybody come and guest on the podcast,
who would your dream?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
No, yes, I know what they meant. I would love
to have I don't even know if I'd do an episode.
I would just love to talk with either Alan Moore
or Verner Herzog, like specifically, if I had Herzog. The
thing I most want to do with Herzog. I guess
we could record it, but I don't really care if
we do is I'd like to cook a meal with
Verner Herzog. Sure, but I think, uh yeah. In terms
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of funny people, I think Will Ferrell would probably be
a really good guest. He's far too famous for us,
but he seems like he's got a good sense of
humor about these kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Can you guess who mine is?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who's yours? Can you guess yours is Harry Styles?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Nope? Okay, there's only one obvious answer.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Because it would be it would be like really funny
to bring Harry Styles one and just to like Unit
seven thirty one, just like NonStop four hours of the
most nightmareish stories of torture.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And you just go like treat people with kindness. What
are you talking about? No, that's not who it is.
Uh huh, there's only there's only one person it could be. Okay,
who I'm waiting to see if you know?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, I don't. I gave you my guess.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
The listeners are disappointed.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, they're lists of pointed.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
It's it's Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh okay, Yeah, I mean we could try. We could
talk about two experts like us. I mean, I think
a lot of people would enjoy hearing our different feelings
on ball handling, on three pointers, other basketball stuff. Those
aren't the only two basketball related terms I know.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Guys, I think a lot of people would want to
hear your opinion on ball handling. Rob anyways for an.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Outbreak, Sophie, Yeah, the subreddit's going to be very uncomfortable today.
We are back Robert.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This question was asked five hundred and fifty two thousand times.
One can we expect a sequel to After the Revolution? Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, the book's done, basically, I'm almost I've finished the
rough draft. I'm almost through with the first draft, which
is when I read through the rough draft, chapter by
chapter and make the edits that occur to me to
make it make sense. I think probably in January, I'll
put out the first three chapters just as kind of
a teaser, but I'll be you know, working with my
editor to get it in the shape. But very soon,
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very soon. It's taken much longer than I had hoped
it would. In my defense, both my parents died since
publishing the first one, so you know that's not really
an excuse, but it's going to make you feel bad,
and so you're not going to like follow up with
complaining that the book's not out yet. I'm manipulating you.
You know, I'm a monster. I know it, but I'm
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good at it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You're allowed. Uh, you've referenced that there are people who
start to look into but ultimately find that there isn't
really enough there for an episode. Who came the closest
to being worthy of doing a whole episode about? But
who was the most disappointing person that you weren't able
to do an episode about.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I know that's happened. It has there's been, and usually
when that happens, it's not that there's not enough, it's
that there's just like not enough information about what they did,
you'll hear like a reference to like some CEO who
did this like really fucked up thing, was like fucking
eating poor people or whatever. Shit. But it's like, well,
all I've got is like three sentences from an old newspaper.
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I can't really get an article out on that. Honestly,
names aren't coming to mind. The closest I can come
in terms of what I remember is like I almost
didn't get to do the Beau Brummel episodes after hours
of research, because I did kind of come to the conclusion,
you know, there's some bad side effects as a result
of what he did, but that's nothing like not that
morally reflects on him in a negative way, Like he
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wasn't trying to make generations of men more limited in
their fashion choices. He just like liked what he liked.
And likewise, I guess, uh, there's been a handful.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Of people where you've been like where people are like,
it's not a say that you've looked into them. People
are like, why don't you do an episode on so
and so? And you're like, because they're fucking.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Boring, Like like Ben Shapiro, what am I going to say?
What are you say? What is there really to say
about Ben? You know, I have looked into him. I
did think about it, and like at this point he
does have a negative impact. He's just boring, and like
that's a big I will say when it comes to
if your question is ever, why haven't you done so?
And so the answer is usually either I think they're
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boring and if it's someone where that you're like, well,
there's no way he thinks this guy's boring, this guy's
objectively interesting. It's because that's going to be a shitload
of work. And like I'm always triaging the like the
Lawrence of Arabia episodes, which seems to have gotten a
good reaction. I think I had to read like five books.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
For I was.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I was working in the background, slowly getting through material
for yeah, starting in like January, and not everything is
like but like Kissinger was like that. Kissinger was like
a year of background work. And the current big one
that I'm very slowly working on is doing another Nixon,
doing a Nixon probably six parter because it's it's fucking Nixon,
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but at least a four parter, and that's gonna take
me a while because I really don't. There's so many
stories because you could put that much effort into everybody,
but it's a lot of folks. You would just be
reading stuff that's largely repeating similar bits with slightly different
takes with Nixon, everyone who digs into him. There's so
many stories. There's so many people who know crazy shit
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about Nixon. You really almost can't come to an end
of collecting fucked up Dick Nixon stories. Like it's almost
an it's almost like our most renewable resource on planet
Earth is stories of Richard Nixon being a freaking weird know,
so it takes some time.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Which episode received the most backlash from fans?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Backlash? I uh, you know, I had some there was
some frustration over an episode we did that was I
think it was mixed. It's always really mixed, even when
there is like about that doctor who was like doing
really bad surgeries for trans people. There were some folks
who had some specific frustrations with that, and then some
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folks who didn't. And you know, ultimately it's one of
those things where when you're dealing with stuff like that,
there are probably multiple right ways to do it, but
you know, it's tough. I think, like The biggest thing
that I the biggest thing that frustrates me in terms
of like feedback from listeners is when people will be like, obviously, figure,
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this person has autism, why didn't you bring that up?
Or that's an explanation for this behavior, why didn't you
bring that up? And the answer in every cases that
person has not been diagnosed with anything. All I have
is the behavior. Multiple other things could explain the behavior.
I am not going to just declare Jeffrey Bezos to
have autism based on my zero experience as a diagnostician
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because he didn't like music, right, Like, there are other
reasons people might not like music, and it's just kind
of an interesting detail about how he's sort of disconnected
from a lot of the people around him. That can
be explained by many different things. But it's not my
job to be like, this is what I believe is
going on with Jeffrey Bezos. So now we all have
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to act like it's true, because it's probably not.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Hey, Robert, uh huh, We're kind to read up on
Robert's Warzone journalism or whatever older pieces maybe out there.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Man, there's I mean, most of it was on cracked
dot com. Some of that found its way into it
could happen here, at least my conclusions based on it.
There was a video that you could view in VR
that was like a three sixty video documentary of some
of my time in Mosel that was published through the
e W Script's network. I think that one was called
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twenty four Hours in Mosl or something like that. They
was broadcast also on a bunch of TV networks. I
don't actually know if the link is up. A decent
number of things that I wrote back then, for like
local news, have become lost media, because that's how that
shit be. Yep, but you could. You should still be
able to find some of the stuff on Cracked that
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I did, so yeah, I would say check that out there.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Let's let's do a fun one before the next adbreak, Robert.
If you were a spice girl, what would be your
spice girl name?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
If I were a spice girl, my spice girl name
would be doesn't want to say anything mean about the
Spice girls because I am close to several women who
grew up in love with the spy sgirls.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yes, what would you so? Your your Space?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That was my name? Yes, your Space game? My name?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Your spice girl name is afraid of women.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Spice specifically afraid of the women that I like Spice.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, afraid of women I like Spice, got it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Afraid of offending them based on making having a bad
take about the Spice girls Spice.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I think I think I would be producer Spice.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, that's probably fair too.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's time Brad's again. We'll be back, Robert, We're back.
Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, I know. It's crazy. When did you decide bTB
was going to be your next thing? Was it something
you've been building towards in your life? Was it becoming
a pod a major goal? Or did it just sort
of happen.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I'm going to explain this to you in a way
that also explains some questions that we can't answer directly
about why do you guys work for X or you know,
are involved with you know, such and such company?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Answer that we can, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's what I'm gonna do. Sure. Yeah. So, I when
I was late into my time at Cracked, I was
getting bored of writing, doing the kind of articles I'd
been doing for years. There these personal experience pieces where
I'd interview someone and then turn their life experiences or
the reporting that i'd done into like a listicle, and
podcasts were starting to blow up. I was interested in
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the medium. I'd done one through Cracked and found aspects
of it pleasant. And the thing I had pitched was
something based on my special interest, which is the Nazis.
You know, I had done an article that had done
very well on things you don't know about the Nazis,
that had delved into things we've touched on in some
episodes of the podcast, you know, all of these these
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very weird that we talked. I talked about Carl May
you know, in Hitler's obsession with these cowboy novels and
how that impacted the Third Reich and so that sort
of stuff, and I was like, I want to do
a series where every season I talk about a different
dictatorial regime and all of the crazy weird facts about it.
So season one be ten episodes on like these weird,
fat things you don't know about the Nazis. Maybe we'd
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move on to Saddam Hussein or staff. And then we
all got shit canned, and I remember, you know, you know,
you have good friends among your coworkers. When like, as
we're all getting drunk, one of the people who hadn't
gotten laid off was Alex Schmidt, good old Schmitty, and
Schmitty and I are talking and I'm like, oh, so
I had this great and Schmitty's running podcasts at cracked
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and still employed, and I'm like, I have this great
idea for a show, and Schmitty, being a very good friend,
is like, don't tell it to me. So I didn't,
and you know, I spent the next couple of weeks
getting fucked up like you do when you get laid off,
and then had a call with Jack O'Brien and Sophie
was on that call because Jack had left a few
months earlier to work at Stuff Media, which is the
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company that was producing shows like you know stuff, you
should know, stuff, you should know, you should know stuff.
They don't want you to know.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
All that stuff They missed a history class. It's the
house Stuff's worked team out of that was originally out
of Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, and our boss is actually the guy you started
mental flaws like this is these are all.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
For one of the guys.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, one of the guys. These are all folks
who came out of the same era of digital media
as me, who were all pivoted, had pivoted to podcasting
a little earlier. So I had my meeting with my
old boss Jack, and I tell him my idea for
this dictator show that I want to do.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Let's pause for five seconds.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When Robert says, I've mentioned this previously before. But when
Robert says he tells his idea for a dictator show,
first of all, this is my first this is my
first interaction with Robert is. He's like running through a
wind tunnel.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I was jogging in San Francisco underneath a bridge, as
I'm often doing near dog Patch if you're curious.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And he uh, I could hear you know, half the words,
and it was like bad guys, history worst And I
was like, yep, I would like to produce I thank
you so much.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And unhinged, unhinged.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But old Jack O'Brien was like, okay, yeah, because Jack
actually had stolen me. Actually actually Jack actually actually stole it,
stole me. I can't even say that us.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's a terrible word.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So I worked at a company that bought how stuff works.
And I was working at that company doing like project
management stuff, which is kind of like why it makes sense,
why I'm so so able to control the amount of
shows we have because a lot of my background was
in that and Jack. When Jack came on to run
the la version of and it was originally just comedy
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of the How Stuff Works team, he stole me from
that other company. Thank you, Jack. Yeah, And soon after
that I got to meet Robert and changed my life.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's the well. And during that
meeting again, my show had been my idea had been
seasons about like each season about a different dictatorship, and
Jack was like, what if every episode you just switch
and give a different you know, a couple of episodes
a different monster, and you can go back and forth
and revisit different aspects of topics, which is a much
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better idea. It would not the show would not have
worked as in a seasonal format the way that it
does as a weekly, even though making this into a
weekly show has destroyed my life, but in a good way.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well it's not even just that, because it started as
weekly and then and then you're like, man, would it
makes sense if we like split things into parts? Mm hm,
So now it's now it's a twice weekly show at least.
But yeah, oh, our origin. Hm, that's so cute.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Anyways, we worked at this company called how Stuff Works
and for Stuff Media whatever whatever. They went publicly by
how Stuff Works and then the company was called Stuff
Media and then all of a sudden one day they
were like, oh, hey, by the way, we just got
bought by iHeartRadio. You work for them now? And we
were like, yep, cool.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, well I don't know nothing to do here, and
that's how life is. And you're in media.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
When you're in media, you know, I really I really
like our team. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Robert,
Can you give us a cat update?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Cat update? I mean, they're cats, so very little changes
in their day to day life. If things are doing.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, there's many questions about your cat then just you
know anything interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I mean, Saddam Hussein had a problem two years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Are you telling this story?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, he tried to have There's a blanket he likes
to have sex with that's usually on my couch. I
mean he's been he's been neutered, but he still tries
to have sex with it. And that blanket got a
seed that's like a sharp seed. It's one of those
seeds that's like sticks to your pants in it, and
he managed to get wedged inside his urethra and it
nearly killed him. But he's fine now, fine, Now. There
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haven't been reoccurrences of any urinary shoes, which are very
serious in male cats. If your male cat isn't peeing,
get it to the vet immediately. Hours matter, hours matter.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The most amazing thing about that story is I once
made Robert during this time, shortly after after we knew
that I'm the same, it's gonna be okay. Uh, join
a call with a well, let's just call him an
entertainment person that was not being a chill guy, and uh,
do you remember this story on a project we decided
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we ultimately decided not to work on.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, decided to work on.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But it was like it was going to be a
very unpleasant phone call. And Robert gets on and Robert
has maybe spoken to this man for ten seconds once,
and he's like, hey, how's it going, Robert? And Robert's like,
my cat got a seed stuck up his urethra. And
I really treasured that moment.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, so do I That.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Was beautiful for me. Let's do let's do one more.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay. I love questions. I love answers. I love answering questions.
I love questioning answers. You know all of those things.
A good time, Robert Sophie.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I don't know why I say your name with who
else would I be asking? I mean, besides Anderson? Anderson? No,
what activities do you?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
This is for both of us. What activities do y'all
do to ease your mental health after researching and hearing
about awful things?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's an option.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
This is mine. This is my answer right here, this
beautiful dog I'm holding and for the audio only people,
I'm holding up Anderson and she looks quite beautiful. You
should do.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Unfortunately, tragically, I've been sober for a while, and we'll
be staying sober. So I just get depressed and then
get better and better at shooting a gun. That's how
I spend my free time.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Jesus Christ, do you want that on the internet?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't know. You could have. You could have said,
I go for runs most days.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I go for runs most days. I lift weights, I
push body armor and high firing a handgun. Yes, I
do all these things.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
You have farm animals that are wonderfully magical.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I do have farm animals in which I trained hitting
moving targets in the woods.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You have wonderful friends.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, sometimes I trained shooting stuff in the woods with them.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Your business partner is a very supportive person.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Sure, yeah, lots of that. I missed drugs, Sophie. I
hate being sober, but it's okay. I've been doing it
for years. I'll keep it up. It's just miserable.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Great, buddy, Well, give the people a Boston rob and
then we'll be on our way.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And boy, you've Boston nnkey? Is that good enough for
you people? Does that make you happy? Is that what
you want? No one's ever happy when they get what
they want.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
We'll be back on Thursday with another round of questions.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Questions, Robert, So how they say it in Boston.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
At this point, Robert, what percentage of them do you love?
The number went down from forty that's for fucking sure.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, that's probably still about right. That's close close enough
for government.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Work for me. Thirty two percent.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thirty two percent. Wow, you guys really got to pump
your Sophie numbers up. I don't know. I feel fine
about our fans, you know, Look, there's a lot of them,
and so some chunk of them are always going to
be doing something weird and off putting. But usually when
I encounter our fans, it's in the context of them
like doing something nice that's helpful to people out in
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the world, Like run into a lot of fans handing
out food, run into a lot of fans being street medics,
run into a lot of fans protesting genocide. So I'm
generally very positive towards our fans, especially the ones who
are a forkliff certified. You are really the ones that
we do this for. You know, whenever I close my
eyes before sitting down to write an episode that I
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know is going to really take it out of me,
I thank to you guys driving your forklifts, and you
know that that gives me the fuel I need to
go on.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards,
a podcast by a man who is preparing for the
entrance of the new regime, the need to go underground.
So I'm in my chut block today. You know, if
you're a tall white man and you wear a hoodie
with a deer head on it, you're effectively invisible. So
(00:27):
I'm I'm I'm prepared for the new world. Are you?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You look great?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Thank you, Sophie. I love my chud hits. It's actually
incredibly comfortable. Hi. Every year after deer season, this exact
hoodie comes on for sale at a store near me,
and so I can get like three for five bucks
each or some shit like that, and they're crazy comfortable.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And uh per usual. I spent the last hour trying
to make myself look nice enuf for the camera. So
people aren't mean to me on the internet.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yep, yep, very different, very unequal situation. But I'm also
not going to spend an more time caring about my appearance.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Fair enough. What are we doing today, Ert.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, Sophie, the same thing we do every night, try
to take over the world of podcasting. Oh wait, we
already did that. Yeah, I guess let's answer some q
and as from our fans.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, so we put out a post on our Instagram
at Bastard's Pod, and many of you sent in questions
and so we're going to try to answer a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah. Yeah. The gist of this situation is, folks, it's
the end of the year. This is when all of
the companies that buy ads are really buying ads, and
it's it's you know, when everybody wants to get as
many people listening as possible. And we decided, rather than
doing something that's zero effort and like you know, running
(01:47):
more episodes, which we do when we take a break,
we wanted to give you guys a chance to ask
us some questions and also make sure that we're providing
you with new stuff because you crave new stuff. You
won't stop demanding it every instant of our live. Sophie
and I think of nothing but pleasing your insatiable appetites.
So Sophie went on Instagram and asked if you guys
had any questions.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Robert, Yes, what was your least favorite episode to do?
And why.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Least favorite to do? I assume they're asking, ever, I
hate I really unless it's a place where I have
a specific interest. I really hate the Foreign Leader episodes,
Like obviously Stallin's a foreign leader, but I've been reading
about Stalin my whole live. Hitler's a four um, but
I've read more books about Hitler than anybody who's not
a Hitler scholar. But like jay or Bolsonyaro, right, I
(02:39):
don't know much about Brazilian politics coming in Netan Yahoo,
I don't know much about you know, politics over there.
So like getting up to speed, not just because you can't.
It's not just enough to like learn what was ntyah
Who's childhood, Like, you also have to know like the
dynamics of politics prior to him coming into power, and
like the part like and catching up on all of
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that in a way that you don't totally embarrass yourself.
Is is a lot of work, and it's also nerve
racking because, like, especially again to go back to net Yahoo,
this is a guy who I mean who had been
involved in genocidal activity prior to where we are right now.
But like certainly like it was the kind of thing
where like because of how high the stakes are and
(03:21):
how bad the things he was up to were like,
oh my god, the anxiety about fucking that up. A
same with Bolsonyaro, right, this guy who's fucking around the
Amazon with indigenous peoples, this dude who is a very
important part of this authoritarian trend. But also me, a
guy who doesn't know much about Brazil. I'm always very
anxious about those episodes. It's they're important to do. We'll
(03:41):
be doing more of them next year. I just I
always like stress out over because there's no not getting
some stuff wrong, right, Like of.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Course it's it's especially with history because it's so subjective. Yeah, sure,
I really fucking hate when we do the like willedness
camp school things and that, like horrific, horrific kids.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I love suffering kids.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Think they're in a safe place and then they get
you know, insert horrible thing here. Those those episodes, I
really really fucking hate those.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I'm illa lead them up all day.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
We did get this question quite a bit, and people
want to know how you celebrated the passing of Henry Kissinger.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know, to be honest, that was a pretty normal
day for me. Like there's not a lot I'm glad
he's dead, but like he lived an incredibly long life.
And got to do most of the things he wanted
and never really suffered. So it's like, how much like
let's let's say I had a beer. You know, let's
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say I had a beer.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Let's say I had a beer. So cryptic? What the
fuck you sound so unwell? Robert? Is there an episode
talk or individual that you have covered that I've left
you shaken up or angry long after you completed the episode?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Everything we do on healthcare, Yeah, every time we have
done a healthcare I know this is the week that
it is. Every time we talk about the US healthcare system.
I'm fucking livid. Industrial the Hawk's Nest Tunnel disaster Union
Carbide did in Bopaul, India as well, Like both of
those are Union carbide affiliated disasters. Those drive me fucking insane.
(05:28):
Like to some extent, I find those guys more offensive
than a guy like Hitler, which is not saying that
they're worse than hit because Hitler did kill more people
than like UNID Carbide. But Hitler was like a guy
who very honestly was about murdering people, whereas these guys
are all pretending to be decent men, family men, you know,
just you know, all I'm doing is trying to make
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jobs and provide a valuable part of the economy, and
they are just killing people by fucking the city full.
So yeah, those make me very angry.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I want to ask you one that won't make you
very angry, Robert, what is your opinion on modern Star Trek?
I love most of it, so what they say.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Uh, okay, Lower Dex is my favorite Star Trek thing
since DS nine. Sure, I've seen some episodes of Strange
New Worlds and there's I can see why people like
it a lot. I'm kind of exhausted with that time
period in the Star Trek timeline, Like I want new stuff.
I want fucking a like do one where Rikers like
(06:30):
an old admiral and we're fucking dealing with starfleet politics
back on Earth at San Francisco. Give me anything where
we're moving forward on the timeline, but we're not leaping
into like weird future warshit Like, I'm not mostly interested
in that stuff. I'm mostly interested with. Actually, part of
why I love DS. I love TNG because it's really
(06:51):
looking at like what is would a utopia be in
a sense that's actually imaginable as something real that like
something that could exist in some ways. And then Deep
Space nine is asking what would the dark sides of
that utopia be? In particular, not even the dark sides,
because it's less that and more kind of like what
the culture series, you know, dealt with, Like what happens
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when this utopia and the people in it inevitably make
contact or collide with reality or not reality because they
live in reality, but with places that are not utopia,
with places that are different, that are worse, that have
different values, Like what are those clashes like? And that's
what I love in my Star Trek. I don't Star
(07:35):
Trek's never had good space battles. I'll say that, right.
I mean, every now and then you get like a
Wolf three five nine or something. There's some pretty cool
shit there, but like, fucking a, there's that one scene
in Serenity is a better space battle in terms of
like an interesting, cool looking space battle that ever got
shot in Star Trek. But I don't watch Star Trek
for space battles. I've got other shit for space battles.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That was very thorough.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Uh this question, who is your fantasy guest?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Fantasy guest? Uh? Marissa Tomay During the my cousin Vinny.
Uh were were talking about fantasy here.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think they wow very specific. I think they mean,
if you could have anybody come and guest on the podcast,
who would your dream?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
No, yes, I know what they meant. I would love
to have I don't even know if I'd do an episode.
I would just love to talk with either Alan Moore
or Verner Herzog, like specifically, if I had Herzog. The
thing I most want to do with Herzog. I guess
we could record it, but I don't really care if
we do is I'd like to cook a meal with
Verner Herzog. Sure, but I think, uh yeah. In terms
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of funny people, I think Will Ferrell would probably be
a really good guest. He's far too famous for us,
but he seems like he's got a good sense of
humor about these kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Can you guess who mine is?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who's yours? Can you guess yours is Harry Styles?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Nope? Okay, there's only one obvious answer.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Because it would be it would be like really funny
to bring Harry Styles one and just to like Unit
seven thirty one, just like NonStop four hours of the
most nightmareish stories of torture.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And you just go like treat people with kindness. What
are you talking about? No, that's not who it is.
Uh huh, there's only there's only one person it could be. Okay,
who I'm waiting to see if you know?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, I don't. I gave you my guess.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
The listeners are disappointed.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, they're lists of pointed.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
It's it's Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh okay, Yeah, I mean we could try. We could
talk about two experts like us. I mean, I think
a lot of people would enjoy hearing our different feelings
on ball handling, on three pointers, other basketball stuff. Those
aren't the only two basketball related terms I know.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Guys, I think a lot of people would want to
hear your opinion on ball handling. Rob anyways for an.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Outbreak, Sophie, Yeah, the subreddit's going to be very uncomfortable today.
We are back Robert.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This question was asked five hundred and fifty two thousand times.
One can we expect a sequel to After the Revolution? Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, the book's done, basically, I'm almost I've finished the
rough draft. I'm almost through with the first draft, which
is when I read through the rough draft, chapter by
chapter and make the edits that occur to me to
make it make sense. I think probably in January, I'll
put out the first three chapters just as kind of
a teaser, but I'll be you know, working with my
editor to get it in the shape. But very soon,
(10:41):
very soon. It's taken much longer than I had hoped
it would. In my defense, both my parents died since
publishing the first one, so you know that's not really
an excuse, but it's going to make you feel bad,
and so you're not going to like follow up with
complaining that the book's not out yet. I'm manipulating you.
You know, I'm a monster. I know it, but I'm
(11:02):
good at it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You're allowed. Uh, you've referenced that there are people who
start to look into but ultimately find that there isn't
really enough there for an episode. Who came the closest
to being worthy of doing a whole episode about? But
who was the most disappointing person that you weren't able
to do an episode about.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I know that's happened. It has there's been, and usually
when that happens, it's not that there's not enough, it's
that there's just like not enough information about what they did,
you'll hear like a reference to like some CEO who
did this like really fucked up thing, was like fucking
eating poor people or whatever. Shit. But it's like, well,
all I've got is like three sentences from an old newspaper.
(11:44):
I can't really get an article out on that. Honestly,
names aren't coming to mind. The closest I can come
in terms of what I remember is like I almost
didn't get to do the Beau Brummel episodes after hours
of research, because I did kind of come to the conclusion,
you know, there's some bad side effects as a result
of what he did, but that's nothing like not that
morally reflects on him in a negative way, Like he
(12:05):
wasn't trying to make generations of men more limited in
their fashion choices. He just like liked what he liked.
And likewise, I guess, uh, there's been a handful.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Of people where you've been like where people are like,
it's not a say that you've looked into them. People
are like, why don't you do an episode on so
and so? And you're like, because they're fucking.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Boring, Like like Ben Shapiro, what am I going to say?
What are you say? What is there really to say
about Ben? You know, I have looked into him. I
did think about it, and like at this point he
does have a negative impact. He's just boring, and like
that's a big I will say when it comes to
if your question is ever, why haven't you done so?
And so the answer is usually either I think they're
(12:44):
boring and if it's someone where that you're like, well,
there's no way he thinks this guy's boring, this guy's
objectively interesting. It's because that's going to be a shitload
of work. And like I'm always triaging the like the
Lawrence of Arabia episodes, which seems to have gotten a
good reaction. I think I had to read like five books.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
For I was.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I was working in the background, slowly getting through material
for yeah, starting in like January, and not everything is
like but like Kissinger was like that. Kissinger was like
a year of background work. And the current big one
that I'm very slowly working on is doing another Nixon,
doing a Nixon probably six parter because it's it's fucking Nixon,
(13:24):
but at least a four parter, and that's gonna take
me a while because I really don't. There's so many
stories because you could put that much effort into everybody,
but it's a lot of folks. You would just be
reading stuff that's largely repeating similar bits with slightly different
takes with Nixon, everyone who digs into him. There's so
many stories. There's so many people who know crazy shit
(13:45):
about Nixon. You really almost can't come to an end
of collecting fucked up Dick Nixon stories. Like it's almost
an it's almost like our most renewable resource on planet
Earth is stories of Richard Nixon being a freaking weird know,
so it takes some time.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Which episode received the most backlash from fans?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Backlash? I uh, you know, I had some there was
some frustration over an episode we did that was I
think it was mixed. It's always really mixed, even when
there is like about that doctor who was like doing
really bad surgeries for trans people. There were some folks
who had some specific frustrations with that, and then some
(14:28):
folks who didn't. And you know, ultimately it's one of
those things where when you're dealing with stuff like that,
there are probably multiple right ways to do it, but
you know, it's tough. I think, like The biggest thing
that I the biggest thing that frustrates me in terms
of like feedback from listeners is when people will be like, obviously, figure,
(14:52):
this person has autism, why didn't you bring that up?
Or that's an explanation for this behavior, why didn't you
bring that up? And the answer in every cases that
person has not been diagnosed with anything. All I have
is the behavior. Multiple other things could explain the behavior.
I am not going to just declare Jeffrey Bezos to
have autism based on my zero experience as a diagnostician
(15:14):
because he didn't like music, right, Like, there are other
reasons people might not like music, and it's just kind
of an interesting detail about how he's sort of disconnected
from a lot of the people around him. That can
be explained by many different things. But it's not my
job to be like, this is what I believe is
going on with Jeffrey Bezos. So now we all have
(15:35):
to act like it's true, because it's probably not.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Hey, Robert, uh huh, We're kind to read up on
Robert's Warzone journalism or whatever older pieces maybe out there.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Man, there's I mean, most of it was on cracked
dot com. Some of that found its way into it
could happen here, at least my conclusions based on it.
There was a video that you could view in VR
that was like a three sixty video documentary of some
of my time in Mosel that was published through the
e W Script's network. I think that one was called
(16:07):
twenty four Hours in Mosl or something like that. They
was broadcast also on a bunch of TV networks. I
don't actually know if the link is up. A decent
number of things that I wrote back then, for like
local news, have become lost media, because that's how that
shit be. Yep, but you could. You should still be
able to find some of the stuff on Cracked that
(16:27):
I did, so yeah, I would say check that out there.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Let's let's do a fun one before the next adbreak, Robert.
If you were a spice girl, what would be your
spice girl name?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
If I were a spice girl, my spice girl name
would be doesn't want to say anything mean about the
Spice girls because I am close to several women who
grew up in love with the spy sgirls.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yes, what would you so? Your your Space?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That was my name? Yes, your Space game? My name?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Your spice girl name is afraid of women.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Spice specifically afraid of the women that I like Spice.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, afraid of women I like Spice, got it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Afraid of offending them based on making having a bad
take about the Spice girls Spice.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I think I think I would be producer Spice.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, that's probably fair too.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's time Brad's again. We'll be back, Robert, We're back.
Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, I know. It's crazy. When did you decide bTB
was going to be your next thing? Was it something
you've been building towards in your life? Was it becoming
a pod a major goal? Or did it just sort
of happen.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I'm going to explain this to you in a way
that also explains some questions that we can't answer directly
about why do you guys work for X or you know,
are involved with you know, such and such company?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Answer that we can, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's what I'm gonna do. Sure. Yeah. So, I when
I was late into my time at Cracked, I was
getting bored of writing, doing the kind of articles I'd
been doing for years. There these personal experience pieces where
I'd interview someone and then turn their life experiences or
the reporting that i'd done into like a listicle, and
podcasts were starting to blow up. I was interested in
(18:16):
the medium. I'd done one through Cracked and found aspects
of it pleasant. And the thing I had pitched was
something based on my special interest, which is the Nazis.
You know, I had done an article that had done
very well on things you don't know about the Nazis,
that had delved into things we've touched on in some
episodes of the podcast, you know, all of these these
(18:37):
very weird that we talked. I talked about Carl May
you know, in Hitler's obsession with these cowboy novels and
how that impacted the Third Reich and so that sort
of stuff, and I was like, I want to do
a series where every season I talk about a different
dictatorial regime and all of the crazy weird facts about it.
So season one be ten episodes on like these weird,
fat things you don't know about the Nazis. Maybe we'd
(18:58):
move on to Saddam Hussein or staff. And then we
all got shit canned, and I remember, you know, you know,
you have good friends among your coworkers. When like, as
we're all getting drunk, one of the people who hadn't
gotten laid off was Alex Schmidt, good old Schmitty, and
Schmitty and I are talking and I'm like, oh, so
I had this great and Schmitty's running podcasts at cracked
(19:18):
and still employed, and I'm like, I have this great
idea for a show, and Schmitty, being a very good friend,
is like, don't tell it to me. So I didn't,
and you know, I spent the next couple of weeks
getting fucked up like you do when you get laid off,
and then had a call with Jack O'Brien and Sophie
was on that call because Jack had left a few
months earlier to work at Stuff Media, which is the
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company that was producing shows like you know stuff, you
should know, stuff, you should know, you should know stuff.
They don't want you to know.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
All that stuff They missed a history class. It's the
house Stuff's worked team out of that was originally out
of Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, and our boss is actually the guy you started
mental flaws like this is these are all.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
For one of the guys.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, one of the guys. These are all folks
who came out of the same era of digital media
as me, who were all pivoted, had pivoted to podcasting
a little earlier. So I had my meeting with my
old boss Jack, and I tell him my idea for
this dictator show that I want to do.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Let's pause for five seconds.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When Robert says, I've mentioned this previously before. But when
Robert says he tells his idea for a dictator show,
first of all, this is my first this is my
first interaction with Robert is. He's like running through a
wind tunnel.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I was jogging in San Francisco underneath a bridge, as
I'm often doing near dog Patch if you're curious.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And he uh, I could hear you know, half the words,
and it was like bad guys, history worst And I
was like, yep, I would like to produce I thank
you so much.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And unhinged, unhinged.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But old Jack O'Brien was like, okay, yeah, because Jack
actually had stolen me. Actually actually Jack actually actually stole it,
stole me. I can't even say that us.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's a terrible word.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So I worked at a company that bought how stuff works.
And I was working at that company doing like project
management stuff, which is kind of like why it makes sense,
why I'm so so able to control the amount of
shows we have because a lot of my background was
in that and Jack. When Jack came on to run
the la version of and it was originally just comedy
(21:31):
of the How Stuff Works team, he stole me from
that other company. Thank you, Jack. Yeah, And soon after
that I got to meet Robert and changed my life.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's the well. And during that
meeting again, my show had been my idea had been
seasons about like each season about a different dictatorship, and
Jack was like, what if every episode you just switch
and give a different you know, a couple of episodes
a different monster, and you can go back and forth
and revisit different aspects of topics, which is a much
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better idea. It would not the show would not have
worked as in a seasonal format the way that it
does as a weekly, even though making this into a
weekly show has destroyed my life, but in a good way.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well it's not even just that, because it started as
weekly and then and then you're like, man, would it
makes sense if we like split things into parts? Mm hm,
So now it's now it's a twice weekly show at least.
But yeah, oh, our origin. Hm, that's so cute.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Anyways, we worked at this company called how Stuff Works
and for Stuff Media whatever whatever. They went publicly by
how Stuff Works and then the company was called Stuff
Media and then all of a sudden one day they
were like, oh, hey, by the way, we just got
bought by iHeartRadio. You work for them now? And we
were like, yep, cool.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, well I don't know nothing to do here, and
that's how life is. And you're in media.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
When you're in media, you know, I really I really
like our team. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Robert,
Can you give us a cat update?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Cat update? I mean, they're cats, so very little changes
in their day to day life. If things are doing.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, there's many questions about your cat then just you
know anything interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I mean, Saddam Hussein had a problem two years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Are you telling this story?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, he tried to have There's a blanket he likes
to have sex with that's usually on my couch. I
mean he's been he's been neutered, but he still tries
to have sex with it. And that blanket got a
seed that's like a sharp seed. It's one of those
seeds that's like sticks to your pants in it, and
he managed to get wedged inside his urethra and it
nearly killed him. But he's fine now, fine, Now. There
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haven't been reoccurrences of any urinary shoes, which are very
serious in male cats. If your male cat isn't peeing,
get it to the vet immediately. Hours matter, hours matter.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The most amazing thing about that story is I once
made Robert during this time, shortly after after we knew
that I'm the same, it's gonna be okay. Uh, join
a call with a well, let's just call him an
entertainment person that was not being a chill guy, and uh,
do you remember this story on a project we decided
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we ultimately decided not to work on.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, decided to work on.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But it was like it was going to be a
very unpleasant phone call. And Robert gets on and Robert
has maybe spoken to this man for ten seconds once,
and he's like, hey, how's it going, Robert? And Robert's like,
my cat got a seed stuck up his urethra. And
I really treasured that moment.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, so do I That.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Was beautiful for me. Let's do let's do one more.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay. I love questions. I love answers. I love answering questions.
I love questioning answers. You know all of those things.
A good time, Robert Sophie.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I don't know why I say your name with who
else would I be asking? I mean, besides Anderson? Anderson? No,
what activities do you?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
This is for both of us. What activities do y'all
do to ease your mental health after researching and hearing
about awful things?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's an option.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
This is mine. This is my answer right here, this
beautiful dog I'm holding and for the audio only people,
I'm holding up Anderson and she looks quite beautiful. You
should do.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Unfortunately, tragically, I've been sober for a while, and we'll
be staying sober. So I just get depressed and then
get better and better at shooting a gun. That's how
I spend my free time.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Jesus Christ, do you want that on the internet?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't know. You could have. You could have said,
I go for runs most days.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I go for runs most days. I lift weights, I
push body armor and high firing a handgun. Yes, I
do all these things.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
You have farm animals that are wonderfully magical.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I do have farm animals in which I trained hitting
moving targets in the woods.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You have wonderful friends.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, sometimes I trained shooting stuff in the woods with them.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Your business partner is a very supportive person.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Sure, yeah, lots of that. I missed drugs, Sophie. I
hate being sober, but it's okay. I've been doing it
for years. I'll keep it up. It's just miserable.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Great, buddy, Well, give the people a Boston rob and
then we'll be on our way.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And boy, you've Boston nnkey? Is that good enough for
you people? Does that make you happy? Is that what
you want? No one's ever happy when they get what
they want.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
We'll be back on Thursday with another round of questions.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Questions, Robert, So how they say it in Boston.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
At this point, Robert, what percentage of them do you love?
The number went down from forty that's for fucking sure.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, that's probably still about right. That's close close enough
for government.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Work for me. Thirty two percent.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thirty two percent. Wow, you guys really got to pump
your Sophie numbers up. I don't know. I feel fine
about our fans, you know, Look, there's a lot of them,
and so some chunk of them are always going to
be doing something weird and off putting. But usually when
I encounter our fans, it's in the context of them
like doing something nice that's helpful to people out in
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the world, Like run into a lot of fans handing
out food, run into a lot of fans being street medics,
run into a lot of fans protesting genocide. So I'm
generally very positive towards our fans, especially the ones who
are a forkliff certified. You are really the ones that
we do this for. You know, whenever I close my
eyes before sitting down to write an episode that I
(28:08):
know is going to really take it out of me,
I thank to you guys driving your forklifts, and you
know that that gives me the fuel I need to
go on.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Bye. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.
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