Part One: Mosley: The British Hitler Who Inspired the Christchurch Shooter

In Episode 55, Robert is joined by Katy Stoll and Cody Johnston to discuss Oswald Mosley, the founder of the British Union of Fascists.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
M. What's Boiling my Crabs? I'm Robert Evans and this
is once again Behind the Bastards, the show where we
tell you everything you don't know about the very worst
people in all of history. How did you guys feel
about that intro? Loved it? Good? Good, my favorite? Thank you?
What's boiling my crab? What's boiling my crab? Let's make

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that thing we always say everywhere. It's going to be
my new T shirt. I like it more than the
last time whatever it was. I figured that was the
what's itching my rashes? Yeah, this is palatable. It belongs
on not just a normal shirt, but exclusively on sleepless shirts. Yes, yes, yeah,
that's just what crabs make me think. Is the artwork

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is going to be key, but this is this is happening. Yeah,
as you listening have probably guessed by now. My guests
for today's episode are Katie and Cody, Katie Johnston and
uh Katie Stole sorry of the some news network. How
are y'all doing today? So honestly, Hi, Hey are you doing? Okay? Yeah?

(01:02):
I'm doing Do you say honestly you're high? Or but
I see how that would sound like I was saying
it does sound I'm I mean. We're in the city
of Los Angeles, where conservatively of the city is high.
At any given time, you walk around and there are
two predominant smells. One is marijuana and the other is skunk.

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At least in my neighborhood, it's one or the other,
and they're similar. They are similar. They are similar because
we have bad drivers, partly because of all of the marijuana.
Today we are talking about a fellow named Oswald Mosley.
You'll know, you'll know about Oswald Mosley asked me again.
In an hour, y'all is about to So let's tear

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into this this submarine which of knowledge. Let's eat this crab.
Let's eat this crab. Let's crack this crab, open fish out.
It's delicious butter drenched meat. Cover our table and our
shirt in crab goo. I got my bib on, got
my bib on, and I always ripped the bib At
some point you throw out the shirt. Yeah, you're having

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a real good crab feast. You don't keep those clothing.
I just walk to get out of the crab restaurant.
Just burn my shirt in there in their furnace and
google the next crab restaurant you can find, you can
only go. That's the key with a good crab restaurants.
You get, you get one shot. You better do it right, y'all?
Is it glorious? It's it's a great four and a

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half hours. All right. Let's talk about this fascist for
slightly shorter than you would spend at a crab much shorter.
Any well, we'll do a four part episode that's just
me at a crab restaurant and that will be the bastard,
so you'll be the best I am. I am the
worst version of myself when I'm eating crab boy. Nobody,

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nobody needs any of that, all right? Sir Oswald Ernold
Mosley was born on the sixteenth of November. He was
the oldest of three children. His family was one of
those wonky s noble families that the British still have
for some reason. So at birth Oswald Mosley became the
sixth Baronet of Appdale Hall, Staffordshire. His mother Maud, gave

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birth without the benefit of her husband Waldy's presence, because
he was quote a rake gambler and a heavy drinker. Ye. Nevertheless,
Waldy bragged to anyone who would hear about the birth
of his heir. Maud wrote in her diary on the
day of Oswald's birth, thankful it's a boy. Oswald went
by Tommy as a little kid. He was ill often,

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and as you might have guessed by all the names
and titles, he grew up very wealthy. Tommy Tommy Oswald.
Everything the British do is wrong. So I'm gonna say
something right now, right right here. I've gotten a lot
of ship on on the Twitter, on the twats, the tweets,
uh for my mispronunciation of a British town names uh
and city names and uh. I feel like with all

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of the evil that colonialism did, the one way we
can make right is by forever mispronouncing the names of
small towns in the United Kingdom. I couldn't agree more
exactly exactly. So that's that's that's just how it's going
to be this episode. I always call London landon Landing,
because then then it sounds like a sleazy ex boyfriend

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and not like the city that ruled the world for
two years. Fucking land And Oswald's family was so rich
that they had an ancestral manner app Dale Hall. Their
wealth had been built up in the sixteenth century by
his ancestor, Nicholas Mosley, who the book Black Shirt describes
as quote one of the swindling sheep farmers who at

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the time we're appropriating the common lands of the English people.
So that's where his family money comes from, stealing uh
common lands from sheep farmers. Okay, okay, seems steals from people.
Seems like that the only way. First rob reverse Robin Hood,

(05:03):
Sheriff of Nodding, the more more successful and more socially accepted. Yeah,
because you know, Robin Hood died in a ditch somewhere
and the Sheriff of Nottingham's like descendants now were like
behind Brexit Oswald. Mosley's great grandfather, Sir Oswald, later leased

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out their property in Manchester for a huge sum of
money for reasons which aren't clear to me due to
my lack of knowledge of nineteenth century British leasing laws.
The Mosley's wound up in a long running dispute with
the Jewish businessman of Manchester, according to the book Black Shirt. Quote.
In the eighteen eighties, although Jews played only a minor
role in money lending, Walter Tomlinson, a local journalist, noted
that the identification of Jews with extortion at ursery was

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extensively believed in Moseley's grandfather was at the forefront of
the campaign against Jewish emancipation. So his granddad was one
of the big I don't want Jews voting guys anyway,
Here's what they thought. Here's what they Yeah, four paragraphs.
That what his granddad thought about the Jews. I don't

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know why. I was surprised. It took longer than I expected.
Oswald's grandfather wound up being his chief male influence as
a boy. His dad, Waldy is generally described as a
piece of ship. Oswald later described his father as a
hard writing, hard drinking, hard living Tory squire. Much given
to expletives. He will be the most likable person we
talk about the story. On one memorable occasion, Oswald's father

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drunkenly drew his pistol and started shooting out electric lights
in Piccadilly Square. Again, seems like a guy would have
gotten along with. He also cheated on his wife constantly,
which is not cool, and she left her husband when
Oswald was quite young. And he's doing it this because
he knows he's chally can get away with it too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
that's what you do, you shoot out lights. Yeah, I mean,
I'm down for that. That sounds like a great night

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out for her though, that's yeah. You know, back then
power move didn't leave their husbands, not often. Yeah, yeah,
good for her. Mosley would later describe his childhood with
his mom and grandfather on the family estate as idyllic.
The property was a self contained economy, as English estates
were in this period of time. There were farmers and
servants who all worked to serve the rich people, and

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all bought and sold from each other. It was essentially
a wee independent nation. Moseley later wrote that he and
his family had quote little need to go outside the
closed and charmed circle, and we children never did. Our
time was divided between farms, gardens, and carpenter shops, where
the bearded pritchard presided over a corp of experts who
kept all things going as their forebears had done for generations.
We were very close to nature. This is fascinating, Yeah,

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because I know, like a little bit about him and
what we're gonna be talking about, and like, yeah, all right,
you grew up like that, you broke that insular kind
of it's like a yeah, we're your bag community, like
you're the center of attention, and you would look at
it like oh wow, Like it's a very small number
of people and they all work together and it works great,
and like I'm happy and there's no so mobility whatsoever.

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We should do that everywhere. This should be the whole world.
That's yeah. I also I have to say, I think
that having an army of servants who exist only to
serve your family, h maybe not close to nature. Correct
on that nature does depend on how you define nature.

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It's natural, but yeah, it's happening. That happens. So I'm
sure your whims being catered to in a beautiful environment
does sound ideality natural grow up that way without any
other outside influences or awareness of what the world actually is. Yes, Now,
young Mosley did not seem to reflect it all upon

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the fact that this idyllic situation relied entirely upon an
incredibly strict social hierarchy with no mobility whatsoever. Since Oswald
grew up without the benefit of his father, his beliefs
about masculinity were largely formed by a mix of British
pop culture at the time and his grandfather's example. The
book Black Shirt describes this well quote. He thus idealized
the male role and appropriated those components of masculinity he

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feared would otherwise be used against him. It was tradition
that family quarrels should be aired publicly, and each father
challenged a son to a boxing match in front of
a simpled servants. Boxing, fencing and hunting. We're part of
an aggressive upbringing in which being the winner was all important.
The combination of this hyperbasculinity, which was a defense against
feelings of dependence, and the lack of boundaries, which gave
little consideration to others feelings, ensured that Mosley was always

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in too much of a hurry. I rushed towards life
with arms outstretched to embrace every very enchantment of a glittering,
wonderful world, a life rush to be consummated. It was
Mosley's riding at the end there. Life isn't meant to
be rushed, man, it's not. I have to say, though,
father son boxing matches are a good idea. Is this
like trial by combat? It's just like, yeah, you disagree

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with what your dad says, you gotta fight him. Yeah, Yeah,
you're you're wrong until you're tall enough. Yeah, that's the
way the world, until you're tall enough to be right. Yeah,
you're tough to your dad. As a young man, Oswald

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attended west Down School and Winchester College. He loved fencing,
which we will not mock him for, because so do I.
By the time he was fourteen, I don't I don't
need I don't need that laughter, Sophie, it's a fairy action.
By the time he was fourteen, he was already six

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ft two his adult height. Mosley was described by his
contemporaries as extremely good looking, which caused him some issues
at Westdown School. Mosley described public school life as filled
with boredom, which was quote only relieved by learning and homosexuality,
neither of which he was good at, which is sort
of British private school life. A lot of young kids
sucking each other. Yeah, that's what you do. But he

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wasn't very good at it. He was not. He was
not He was not inclined to homosexual I don't think so,
that's what he was saying. He just wasn't in It
was just his way of saying like, no, thank you,
all right. He wasn't very good at this. I'm not
good at book learning or fucking my fellow students because
they're not my talent. I tried, I studied hard. I
just wasn't very good at it. I just wasn't very

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good at it. Sorry, I really studied. Anti Semitism was
a was a prevalent part of Oswald's childhood, although the
evidence suggests this was not much more of a factor
in his young life than it would have been in
the life of any of his peers. During World War Two,
when he was interrogated by the Advisory Committee on Internment,

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Moseley told his interviewers that his first experiences with anti
Semitism had come quote in my youth, where most of
one's friends and relations would not have Jews in their houses.
He described the sort of anti semitism as quote old
English growth and quote a whimsical brutality that was much
kinder than German anti semitism. A whimsical brutalitical. Don't go

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to agather man, they really do. We just like that.
We just whimsically beat the Jewish men in town with
sticks when they come out at night. It's just the
same old you just like find another way to say it. Yeah.
What the Nazis are doing isn't okay. But when I
chucked a brick through that synagogue window, it was with
a smile in my heart. I was it was whimsy Whistle.

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I tried to light that torah on fire the same
way Whinnie the pool would have, like charmingly, charmingly. So
we're British, We're British. I'm from Streffordshire, Strafford our accents
much more palatable, much more palatable. That was not a
British accent. We should not try today. We're gonna, We're gonna,

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We're gonna just We're just gonna. That's the accent of Pritchard,
the guy who ran the specific part of Yeah Yeah.
In January of nine fourteen, Oswald Mosley entered the Royal
Military College of and Hurst. It was a violent place
and cadets were taught quote impeccability on parade and hooliganism

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off duty, which is something about military life that has
not changed. Free time was spent in London starting fights
and flirting with girls, which is something else about military
life that has not changed. Mosley admitted that the fighting
was seen as much more important than the flirting. He
was apparently unpopular and got kicked out due to a
violent incident. Blackshirt describes this way quote. Older cadets decided
that an arrogant Mosley needed to be taken down a

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peg or two and went to his room to punish
him for his insolence. John Masters in Bugle and Tiger
created the legend that Mosley, detested by his brother officer cadets,
was thrown out of a window. In fact, in seeking
recruits for retaliatory action, he slipped on a ledge and
fell slightly, injuring a leg. Skirmishing continued, all weakened as
a result of which fifteen cadets, including Mosley, were packed
off to reflect on their ill behavior. His friend, Robert

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Bruce Lockhart believed Mosley bore grudging in society because of
this incident. So so he was unlikable and people didn't
like him, and people didn't like him, and when he
tried to like get involved in the fighting, it's cool
he fell off a window. Yeah, so he's he's really himself.
And yeah, hated you know, Jews. Yeah, definitely hated Jews.

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And although probably not more than anybody else in military
academy at Sanders that is like one of those things
about European history is that pretty much everybody was pretty
anti Semitic, and like the Holocaust happened, and most people
were like, oh, maybe we should maybe we should peel
back on that a little bit. Oh ooh boy. That

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led to yeah, it's interesting too, just like this, So
many of these stories involved like, oh, yeah, it's like
rich and like really really arrogant and was just a
little more racist than everyone around him, just a little bit.
It's a little bit, you wouldn't right, and he was
like kind of like an ass about it, like an

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arrogant person about it, and so he was unlikable, so
people uh kind of bullied them a little bit, and
and he that he did all the stuff, and then
he did everything like yeah, yeah, you fool yourself and
then you're bullied and then and then and then you
turned into a monster. When August nineteen four team came around,
Mosley found himself sent back to Sandhurst to finish his training.

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August of nineteen fourteen, of course, is when you know
the whole World War One thing with all the trenches
and there was yeah, there was there was what yeah, yeah,
the second one was kind of you know, it's one
of those things like the new Star Wars movie where
you know, you have you have a perfectly good thing,
and then they like rebooted but with a new cast,

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you know, and better special effects and staff, and everyone
talks about that one but didn't want exist. The other
one exists, and it was like more groundbreaking, right, you
got up the anti, but you got up the Anti.
You know. Now there's a couple of tanks in the
first one. Everybody's got the second one. You know, there's
pretty big bombs in the first one. There's the biggest
bomb ever in the second one. You know, it's just
a little derivative. Yeah, I hope they'll make it a trilogy.

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I don't know. I mean I'll watch it. I mean
I don't want to with all the with all the
with all the new c g I available. Absolutely, I mean,
I mean, we just got a hope. It's like, you know, J. J.
Abrams or someone great. Yeah, I'm not like some Michael Baby.
We don't want Michael Bay director A Snyder. I mean,

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I mean, let's be honest, the only one who could
really direct World War Three would be Paul Verehoven. Okay,
I want to see Paul Verehoven's World War Three I
kind of think we already have okay. When the war started,
mostly found himself sent back to Sandhurst to finish his training.
He wound up in the sixteenth Queen's Lancers, the Cavalryunion.
He saw action on the Western Front and acquitted himself well.

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Eventually he was promoted and transferred to work as an
observer for the Royal Flying Corps. He was one of
Britain's first pilots, although he did not distinguish himself with
particular competence in this field. During a training exercise, when
his mom and sister were watching, he attempted to impress
them and accidentally crashed his plane. They did. He slip
and fall off a window ledgend. I kind of will plane, Mom,

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are you looking? Watch this? Watch this? Mother? Are you watching? Mother?
Probably killed like sixteen stable boys when they crashed, but
they just never wrote it down. The stable boys, the
amount of stable boys we had. We actually have a
lot less stable boys for some reason, starting very few

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stable boys. The accident injured him badly. It left him
with a limp he would carry for the rest of
his life. Mosley went back to the Western Front. After that,
still injured and eventually passed out from pain at his
post during a battle. After that, he spent the rest
of World War One doing a desk job. Sorry, it's
just like everything he does. It's just like I'm going
to press so many people and it sounds delicate, but

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this kind. So we're gonna get We're gonna get to
what happens after World War One, which is really where
the story starts to pick up. But first, you know
what I want to pick up is a product, maybe
a service, you know what these people will recommend them

(18:12):
to you. We're back. Oh, thank goodness, Yes you guys,
you guys land on any products you're gonna service yourself. Yeah,
all the services and products, all the services and the
ones that were mentioned, Yeah, those are those are my

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favorite of the products. Yeah. I actually wasn't sure about them,
but then after listening to it, I was like, oh,
I have been convinced on those products and services. Do
you know what that technique is? Cody advertising Katie knows.
I waited until you started to say a before I
was yeah, I know, how do you both know that
it's gonna say marketing? But advertising is also I think

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we're both been around a college a couple of times. Amazing. Yeah,
I didn't out popped in and out. Speaking of people
who popped in and out. After Oswald Mosley popped out
of World War One, he married Lady Cynthia curs On,
the daughter of the Viceroy of India. He's that kind

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of guy. He was elected to Parliament straightaway as a
Conservative MP for the district of Harrow or Harrow, I
don't care because of the Bengal famine say that. Yeah,
he was one years old when he was first elected.
Because as the scion of a wealthy, noble family, political
office was basically seen as his do now that he

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was in politics, Moseley's ideology was quite simple, always do
my utmost in all circumstances to prevent it the First
World War ever happening again, which is a solid, solid,
solid motivation. Nobody wants the World War. Nobody wants, especially
not a guy who like saw it. Yeah. Uh, fellas
as a couple of times in that war. He did
some fighting too, Like he was a the trenches. Like

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he had friends died. Yeah he didn't, he didn't. It's
all you see everything. Yeah, he had seen enough death
on the Western Front, that he considered it his duty
to quote conceive a nobler world in memory of those
who died. So that's so far, so far, good path,
let's read the next paragraph. In nineteen four mostly switched

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his political allegiance to the Labor Party. This was coincidentally
the same year that the Labor Party first came to
power in the House of Commons. From nine to nineteen
thirty Mosley was the MP of Smithwick. He developed a
reputation as a young, brash political wounder Kent. But in
nineteen the stock market crashed Britain was hit very hard. Unemployment,

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which had been at ten percent to nineteen twenty nine,
shot to twenty two point two percent by nineteen thirty two,
when the British economy looked to be on the verge
of collapse. The great reserves of golden jewels the Empire
had spent the better part of two centuries plundering had
all been spent to win or sort of win, the
Great War. Now England appeared to be daring over the
edge of a cliff. Oswald Moseley had sacrificed for his country,

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and he had seen many of his friends die for it.
Since he was an ambitious young man with access to
political power, he saw it as his duty to save
his nation, and as he looked out into the rest
of the world for suggestions on how he might do that,
his eyes were invariably drawn towards Italy and the accomplishments
of a little dude named Benito Mussolini. Guys, he gets
here to this dude a little bit in passing, in passing, Yeah,

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he was handsome, very good looking guy. Hell of a jawliney.
Mussolini's Partito Nazional Fashista had just come to power in
nineteen twenty two. Nowadays we think of Mussolini as basically
a cheap Italian rip off of Hitler, faintly ridiculous for
all his evil, but that's purely a view brought on
by hindsight. To people in the early twenties, Mussolini's relatively

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peaceful rise to power seemed almost miraculous. Adds to the
apparent instant turnaround of the Italian economy. In England, much
coverage of Mussolini and his bold new idea Fashismo, was positive.
On November eighteenth, nineteen twenty two, the Times of London
called Mussolini a masterful man and credited his program with
bearing the stamp of his strong character. Like most conservatives,

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the editors of the Times thought Italian fascism was a
reasonable reaction to political turmoil quote, the rise of fascismo
is the result the natural result of the progressive degradation
of the representative system, as it has been witnessed in Rome.
So even progressive papers were reticent to entirely condemn the
hip new ideology. The Daily Telegraph's yearly review of major
world events in nineteen twenty two didn't even mention the

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fascist coup that had just swept Italy. Just wasn't seen
as that big of a deal. Italian fascism had inspired
British imitators as soon as it appeared. The British Fascisty
Party was formed in nineteen twenty three, the National Fascisty
Split split off in nineteen twenty four, and the Imperial
Fascist League kicked off in nineteen twenty nine. None of
these groups gained more than a few dozen members, nor
did they manage anything more impressive than some graffiti and

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a few tiny marches. In the mid nineteen twenties, it
would have seemed preposterous if you'd suggested to anyone that
Oswald Mosley, the widely admired young politician, would become a
fascist himself. In nineteen twenty four, English socialist author Beatrice
Webb called him quote the most accomplished speaker in the
House of Commons. But after the crash of nineteen twenty nine,
Mosley came to believe that radical change was necessary to

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save Britain from economic collapse. His first plan was written
down in the Moseley Memorandum, a document that suggested hard
core protectionist economic policies in order to protect domestic industry
from foreign trade. During her Golden Age, England had relied
heavily on foreign export. This had caused the depression to
bite them harder than most because the collapse of their
major trading partners essentially wiped out British industry. While most

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of the Empire's political leaders wanted to essentially write out
the depression until they could get back to selling British
goods all over the world, Moseley wanted to reform the
entire economy into a state of autarchy. In other words,
he wanted British people to only buy and sell from
other British people, cutting them out of the world economy
to render them immune to the destabilization of its booms

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and busts. He wanted England to basically close its borders
for the most part, definitely didn't want it admitting any
people from outside of England. And he wanted it's its economy,
it's it's it's agricultural production to be entirely self deficient. Now,
this was also this is a really common idea at
the time. This was like Hitler's big idea too. Yeah,
just like like the basic foundation of like nationalisms, protectionists,

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and you keep everyone out and you do your own thing,
like like maybe like how Mr Moseley grew up, but
the bigger Yeah, because his life was so perfect and
everything was protected and insulated. Yeah, he just wanted to
put Britain first. Maybe you wanted yeah, oh Cody, oh

(24:44):
Cody first. Is that where he wanted to spoiler you'll
get to that, is that what he wanted to put
Stop jumping ahead, Boilers. Sounds like it just sounds like
everything else. It sounds like every other duration of this cycle.
But yeah, fascists are all the same, four guys. Yeah,

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it kind of just seems like maybe they might be
all reincarnated, a bunch of losers with a bunch of
loser ideas, fair way to put it. Most of Mosley's
contemporaries considered his ideas kind of crazy, but mostly these
other plans were more reasonable. He wanted to institute a
massive public works program, spending two million pounds over three
years to create thousands of new jobs for England's unemployed masses.

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These jobs would include a mobile labor corps to rebuild
the nation's slums. This was actually pretty reasonable. It's essentially
the same thing, you know as one of the lynch
pins of FDRs New Deal, the Civility and Conservation Corps,
which is why my granddad didn't starve during a great depression.
He's building parks and stuff. Great idea so mostly has
some good ideas and some bad ideas, like any politician. Well,

(25:49):
actually the fact that he had good ideas makes him
a little bit a little bit. Yeah, the ideas thing
really mostly a decent amount of port for this idea,
but his plan for how to make this happen set
a lot of people on edge. I'm going to quote
from Brett Rubens The Death of British Fascism quote. To
combat unemployment and to deal with the economic crisis in general,

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Mosley believed that political power needed to be more centralized.
He argued for the creation of a new cabinet, led
by the Prime Minister and other top mpse, which was
to be advised by a think tank of economic experts.
This cabinet was to utilize all of the resources of
the nation to fight the economic disaster. Now, that was radical,
but not entirely without precedent. Britain had done something similar

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during the Great War with Lloyd George's Supreme War Council.
Mosley was basically saying that the nation needed to treat
the Great Depression the way they would treat a major war.
It was not a popular idea among parliamentarians, but many
British people thought he was right on the money, so
Mosley remained popular with the people, even as Britain's political
elite rejected his ideals and sought to heal the nation's
export trade and revived the economy that way. The labor

(26:54):
government sought to balance the budget, which required a massive
cut to employment benefits and other entitlements. M Mmm, guess
how that went for the labor government. Yeah, Mosley was
infuriated that the Labor government had basically ignored his ideas,
and in the spring of nineteen thirty he resigned from
the Labor Party after giving a huge speech in front
of Parliament where he said that Britain's must quote get

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away from the belief that the only criterion for British
prosperity is how many goods we can send abroad for
foreigners to consume there is. His words were met with
raucous cheering, which helped further convince him that what he
needed to do was create his own party to solve
the nation's problems. He grew even more popular after this
speech and his resignation, and many of his fellow parliamentarians

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even began to see him as something of a hero.
In nineteen thirty one, Oswald Mosley announced the formation of
a new political party, which he called the New Party.
Since he was not the most creative man in the world,
he convinced several other members of the Labor Party to
resign and join him as well. Some of these guys
got cold feet and jumped ship instantly, but enough people
stayed the course that they were able to give the
New Party a go. The New party's goals were based

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around the principles Mosley had already outlined. He wanted to
create a small, six man council who could pass legislation
it will in order to make necessary economic changes faster.
What if just six guys have the pack, We'll just
get this done. Quicker, Tommy, what are you doing? The
New Party advocated strong import controls. Mosley also created the
New Party Youth Club in order to get young men

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interested in politics his politics. At first, a lot of
British Liberals and progressives joined a party they assumed was
meant for them, in due partly to the failure of
their austerity measures, but largely to the existence of the
New Party. The Labor Party got fewer votes than the
Conservative Party. This piste off quite a lot of people
quote from the Death of British Fascism. Following the declaration

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of the results, an angry mob formed outside the town hall.
They shouted at mostly calling him Trader and Judas, the
son of the defeated Labor candidate, charged the steps and
accused Mosley with ruining his father's chances. In response, mostly
turned to John Strachey and said, that is the crowd
that has prevented anyone from doing anything in England since
the war. One of most these friends would later state
his belief that this was the moment British fascism was born,

(29:04):
because you're so angry that people won't let him do
exactly what he wants to do. He wants to do
the thing. He has this idea, do it, and people
don't agree entirely with it. They agree with parts of it,
but they don't agree with all of It's true, kid, Yeah,
they need to agree with everything. When you agree with everything.
He has to see six too, He's six, all right.
So the guy in charge of the Labor Party, a

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fellow named McDonald, chose to make nice with the Conservatives
in order to retain some power for labor and government.
This meant the new party suffered attacks from both screwing
over labor and was cut out of power while Labor
moved closer to the middle. His nineteen thirty two started
Mosley's party was a miserable failure, and his political career
seemed to be near its end. Before the thirty one elections.
He promised to resign from public life for a decade

(29:45):
if he lost, but he did not actually do this. Instead,
he decided that the failure of his party in the
election left fascism as the only option remaining. All he's
left with, what else? What else you gonna do? You
lose an election, you gotta go to fashion. Given me
no choice? Yeah, no choice. Like that's amazing, very like

(30:06):
from the very beginning. Oh yeah, you confidently do a
thing and then you lose, and then you get a
little worse learning from it. Just get a little worse,
get worse, and then get to get to where you
need to be. Get to where you need to be,
which is where he is in January two, when he
visits Italy. If Benito Mussolini's explicit request the two men

(30:27):
both had backgrounds as socialist politicians, and we're both frustrated
with dealing with their nation's tedious political bickering. Moseley took
to Mussolini at once, seeing him as a kindred spirit
and a man's man. This meeting convinced Oswald Mosley quote
the age of democracy was over. Here we go, that's
where that's where it's sat, That's where it's sat. When

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he returned to England, Mosley wrote a loving article about
Mussolini's regime for the Daily Mail, stating quote, oh we're
gonna be talking about the Daily Mail, stating quote, no
time is wasted in the polite finalities which have so
irked the younger generation in Britain. When dealing with our
elder statesman, Mosley wrote that the Italian mind was hard, concentrated,

(31:08):
direct and modern. Now the efficiency of fascism compensated for
a quote the right to blather. He believed British politicians
love too well, it's efficient, So why do we need
free speech? What was that going to get us? It's
just gonna waste time. It's just waste. It's just practical,
you guys, this is just makes sense. Mosley rebuffed multiple

(31:30):
opportunities to re enter the political mainstream, including invitations to
work with former Prime Minister David Lloyd George and invitations
from Winston Churchill. He also rejected the decision of many
of his New Party comrades who joined the Communist Party
after the disastrous ninety one elections. If there was one
thing Oswald Mosley hated, it was communism. He believed that
class conflict could only end in violent revolution, and instead

(31:51):
felt that fascism would do a better job of providing
a quality of opportunity. Communists wanted to destroy capitalism. Oswald
just wanted to reform it. No, no, buddy, you got
it wrong. Change nothing change. That is the tagline of

(32:12):
this podcast. Nothing has ever changed or ever will change,
because people are just kind of dumb a lot of
the time. Petty lazy dumb, petty lazy dumb, scared of
not having many nice things. Mosley knew that Italian or
German fascism wouldn't just work if it was transplanted in England.

(32:33):
He decided that to save his nation, it would be
his duty to create a new and uniquely British form off.
That's all, It's all. What are we? Just? What we?
I know this got seventy million people killed? But what
if which is just what are the British flavors? Yeah? Well,

(32:53):
sticky toffy pudding sic, bubble um? What if it's peppermint
bubble um? Boy him like, what do we throw a
little bit of lime? And that didn't The poison didn't
work because it was lined killing all the Jewish people.
What do we tweaked the flavor a little bit? What
have we changed the uniform slightly? Oh? Now they're killing Muslims. Okay, okay,

(33:17):
what if okay, what if? Okay, what if we'd change
it slightly again? What do we look at this flag?
This is a nice flag, like flags, is a different flag?
Molask devoting things to flags. Some of us are going
to use the same flax, were used very similar flags.
We might like wink at other flags. Now. Part of

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why Mosley was so drawn to the idea of British
fascism was his military background. During his time in the service,
mostly has developed a love of discipline, you can brutal discipline.
One of his friends, Harold Nicholson, said at the time
that quote Tom cannot keep his mind off shock troops,
the arrest of his political enemies, their in tournament in
the Isle of Wight, and the roll of RUMs around Westminster.
He is a romantic, that is a great family, keeps

(34:04):
mind off arresting his enemies. Such a romantic romantic because
whimsical brutalism. Whimsical brutality. I see the problem here. You
guys think words mean the wrong things, know they know that. Yeah,
The problem is that we think words mean things, put
actual meaning towards and they don't give a shit about anything.

(34:27):
He's a romantic cody. That's his failings. Well, because you
know what when I'm when I'm taking a lady out
on a on a on an estate and you want
to impress her, of course, first thing I do, show
my shock troops, and I imprisoned my enemies on the
Aisle of White and then you know, a little a
little bit of neck in in the back of the car.
You know, it's an aphrodisa. Ladies love seeing the political

(34:51):
enemies of a guy get locked up on the isle
of White. Yeah, that's just uh, since they're all British,
it would definitely be white like. Yeah. In October, Oswald

(35:13):
Mosley officially founded the British Union of Fascists or BUF.
He wrote a book few years later title buff. He
was kind of buff, Give that to him. He wrote
a book a few years later titled Fascism. A Hundred
Questions Asked and answered. That explained why he decided to
use the same word as the Germans and Italians rather
than invent a new term that might have been more

(35:35):
palatable to English ears. Quote, Fascism is the name by
which the modern movement has come to be known in
the world. It would have been possible to avoid misrepresentation
by calling our movement which he capitalized the m M,
by another name. But it was more honest to call
it fascism and just let everyone know exactly where we stood.
It is up to us to defeat misrepresentation by propaganda
and explanation of the real policy and method of fascism

(35:57):
as it will operate in Britain in the long runs.
Right forward dealing is not only honest but also pays
the best. So he was an honest fascist. Hate propaganda.
He was a fascist you'd like to have a beer
with if you weren't, you know, would you? Then you
would not? Would Well, he wouldn't let you in his house,
But yeah, yeah, you know what will let you in? This?

(36:20):
This is a bad athlete and that that shouldn't be
how we do this. No, no, that was good. No,
maybe put like a river of something a little nicer,
a little a little What do we? What do we?
What's a product we can advertise for? That's on the
table right now? Altoid's curiously cool mints. I noticed that
your Altoy's katie come in a nice silver container that

(36:42):
you could also store your weed in or some some
pills of M D M A, t ascids. I could
store a lot of things in this little Cops probably
aren't going to search your altoids container. Yeah, They're less
likely than a jar labeled acid unless they listen to
this podcast. Spot fucking There are other drugs you can
keep in this though. There are a little bit of

(37:03):
alcohol in there. Cops, if you like this show, don't
listen to that. Most cops love this show. That's a
big part of our listening faces. It's weird all cops
are behind the bastards fans. Yeah, that's exactly it. I
see that on a lot of T shirts and punk shows. Yeah,
I think they seem like they crossed out a lot

(37:25):
of the words, but but I know what it means.
It's like how you don't put the or the the
behind the bastards all cops are. I think we put
enough daylight between that anti Semitism stuff and products and
services and we're back. So so, after establishing the British

(37:56):
Union of Fascists mostly outright or right away, published a
book called The Greater Britain, which he hoped would polish
the bad reputation fascism had gotten. Over All those deaths
from the Spanish Civil War and the bombing of Guernica
and all the people that the Nazis are putting concentration camps,
all of that stuff, you know, in the Greater Britain.
He assured the English people that fascism did not necessarily

(38:17):
mean totalitarianism or a loss of liberty. British fascism would
be a dictatorship, yes, the one that was moderated and
accountable to the people via a legislative assembly. Who did
he want to be the dignator? I mean he wanted
to be the dictating I think he didn't. Yeah, he
wanted Oswald Mosley to be probably Tom Tommy on top. Now.

(38:42):
Oswald Mosley assured people that his fascism did not require
violence to gain power. If the BUF could just gain
enough seats in Parliament, they'd implement the changes he suggested,
in a perfectly legal manner. Why they what about the
Queen's not going to talk about that. Oh, he's got
a job for the queen and the at this point. Yeah,

(39:02):
So Mosley tried to convince the people that embracing this
idea and adopting it gradually was a smart choice, because
fascism was the new way of things worldwide in Britain
might as well get a head start if they wanted
to compete. This was basically him cribbing a concept from
an essay by Benito Mussolini, the Doctrine of Fascism, which
said this quote, if the nineteenth century was the century
of the individual, liberalism implies individualism, we are free to

(39:24):
believe that this is the collective century, and therefore the
century of the state. In other words, the twentieth century
would be the fascist century, and there was no sense
fighting it. Given where the global balance power stood in
ninety two, it's easy to see how a number of
people could have come to this conclusion. Mosley told his
people that both left and right wing had failed them.
The right wing could guarantee stability, but it could not

(39:44):
create progress. The left brought progress, but instability. A fascist
middle was necessary. To you nine, the two like they're
just like they're like two ways, But what if there
was like a and the more than a more than
two way. It's a second plus one second plus one way,
like a like a almost fourth way. I think there's

(40:07):
the only two ways to describe it. Okay, Okay, I
think we got it. Quote, fascism is not dictatorship in
the old sense of the word, which implies government against
the will of the people. Instead, mostly believed that fascism
rested quote on the enthusiastic acceptance of the people and
could not endure without their support. So that's good, that's
also essential. It's a whimsical fascist. Whimsical fascist want that support,

(40:30):
you know, it's it's it's it's winning the proof fascist. Yeah.
So I get hung up on so this Britain first,
this this isolation is kind of idea, but taking so
much like putting Mussolini on a pedestal in like celebrating

(40:50):
other places. Well, you got a problem with Mussolinia, kitty,
He's hard. You know, I've only I've only read Italian
history up until about n four, But it seemed like
he was a pretty cool guy. I've only read German
history up until about nine. A lot of good speakers
around that time. We're really engaging speakers, really good. Yeah,
I'm excited for what comes next for them. Yeah, yeah,

(41:13):
no spoilers. I wonder what else they have to say.
Uh so, um, but well, because also because that whole
what you're saying about, how like, yeah, Britain first, but
then you support like Mussolina all these people. That's just
what they do. Like there's little Hitler quote that's like, yeah,

(41:34):
I'm not saying we're better than anybody. I think we
should be like our own thing, and like Japan, they
do their own things, their own thing. We all just
sort of do better. China does Japan's things. He was
he was not a fan of China doing its own thing.
I don't believe he said that in the that quote.
But yes, yes, it's just so interesting. We respect what

(41:55):
they're doing and we want to steal it, but we
want them to be far away from us, and you know, yeah, yeah. Now,
in Moseley's vision of British fascism, his equivalent to the
German Fewer would be the Minister, a single man who
would have basically all the power in Britain, but who
would be subject to a vote of confidence every five years.
If the people stopped supporting this dictator, the king would
be able to appoint a new one, who would then

(42:17):
have to go about earning the support of the masses
so that he could win a confidence vote. That seems
like a lot of checks and balance. There's one that's
a lot. That's a check. If you got none one,
that's a lot. That is a lot. Five years a
good amount of time for a dictator. It doesn't seem

(42:39):
like a ruler's best interest to have a dictator. But
what if we have another ruler who's like, all right,
you don't like that dictator? What about So you might
see how reasonable people, though, could get suckered into the
British Union of Fascists. Considering this is before that whole
World War two things starts democracy. People are seeing some
flaws and I mean, i'm i'm, i'm, I understand that

(43:03):
there are people who can fall into movements like yeah,
it's a little more understandable in nu Yeah, I definitely
agree with that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. As moderate as Mosley's
new take on fascism may have seemed on the surface,
that quickly turned into the battle fascism we all know
and hate. The first signs of this were obvious from
the way Mosley and his fellow fascists react to the

(43:24):
disruption of their meetings and mostly speeches. The first signs
of this were obvious from the way Mosley and his
fellow fascists reacted to the disruption of their meetings and
mostly speeches by people who will call I don't know
not fascism likers fas fast opposites great. Starting with the
announcement of the BUF party, gatherings were often disrupted by

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Heckler's mostly Communists and other assorted fasci opposites shouted over,
mostly until they were ejected from the gathering. For a
little while, mostly grin and bore it. But after a
few months of this he decided to form a paramilitary
organization dedicated to opping these sorts of disruptions. This I

(44:06):
took a couple of months. The BUF had established a
youth league right away, of course, which initially just encourages
young members to be athletic and play sports like rugby.
The young men wore no uniform and therefore did not
set off any alarm bells as a military force initially.
A government study later revealed most Britain's viewed mostly as
quote a colorful, eccentric and fascist occasions is entertaining spectacles.

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But as disruptions of fascist events grew more frequent, Mosley
reformed the youth auxiliary into something with sharper teeth. The
soon to be infamous black Shirts. Y. Yeahs they wore
black shirts yeah for their teams sports team. Yeah you
needed colors sports teams exactly. Here's the death of British

(44:52):
fascism quote. Mosley stated that the Black Shirts Stewards and
originated with his resolve to not succumb to disruptors. Mostly
claimed that as the movement gained momentum, so did its resistors.
Rather than allow his meetings to be shut down by
a disruptive, organized minority, Mosley created the London Defense Force
to train and recruit more Black Shirts Stewards. He claimed
that the creation of the Black Shirts was entirely out
of defensive necessity, a result of increasing hostility to his movement. However,

(45:15):
there is evidence that this force had an offensive capability
as well. The press accused black Shirts of unprovoked attacks
on communists and later Jews. The Times testified the black
Shirts verbally provoking a group of young Jewish men in
London in the summer of nineteen thirty three. The Daily
Worker of January nineteen thirty six charged Mosley's Black Shirts
with raiding its offices, turning over cars, and causing extensive damage.

(45:36):
Weren't the black Shirts also Mussolini's brown shirt, Brown Mussolini's shoot.
I forget which one Mussolini had black Shirts it was
what was the black Shirts? Yeah? Yeah, brown Shirts were hitlers.
They all got there there that their fucking shirts today
today is Fred Perry, I mean a bit more creative.
Yeah yeah, they all got there and punish your logos. Yeah,

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and they're little larp shields and little liarpe shields and stuff.
From to nineteen thirty seven, os, while mostly averaged two
hundred speeches a year, each of them accompanied by a
large group of Black Shirts. These young men lived in Chelsea, London,
at a barracks called the Black House. At the height
of the BUF, more than a thousand men lived there
full time. They trained in jiu jitsu and lived under
military discipline. From nineteen thirty two one, they were a

(46:22):
constant and very visible presence at rallies. Now. The Black
Shirts received a major endorsement in the public consciousness in
nineteen thirty four when Lord Rothmure, a conservative newspaper tycoon,
embraced the BUF and it's paramilitary auxiliary. Rothmu ran a
little newspaper you may have heard of, called The Daily Mail.
On January eighth, nineteen thirty four, The Male published an
article titled Hurrah for the black Shirts. I'd like to

(46:46):
read a few quotations from that article, which was written
by Lord Rothmuir himself. He's he's counted as Viscount Rothmuir
in this, which is a word I know how to pronounce,
even though it's spelled viscount, which is dumb. That's actually
probably right. I don't know. I mean, I don't know either.
I don't vice count vice Count Rathmar. Yeah right, I'm

(47:11):
because he's not good enough to be a full one circumstances, Yeah,
he could assist one, yeah, in certain areas. Quote from
Hurrah for the black Shirts? What if the Daily Mail
is still a great newspaper anyway? Because fascism comes from Italy,
shortsighted people in this country? You think they show a
sturdy national spirit by de writing it. If their ancestors

(47:33):
had been equally stupid, Britain would have no banking system,
no Roman law, nor even any football. Since all of
these are of Italian invention. The Romans invented cool stuff,
So Italian fascism sweet as hell. Yeah, I love logic
and reason as well. Debate me cowards, the socialists especially,
who jeer the principles of in uniform of the black

(47:55):
Shirts as being of a foreign origin. Forget that the
founder and high priest of their own creed was the German.
Jeke are old marks. Put that jew right in the
front there. Though the name and form of fascism originated
in Italy, that movement is not now peculiar to any nation.
It stands in every country for the party of Youth.
It represents the effort of the youngest generation to put
new life into an out of date political systems. That

(48:17):
alone is enough to make it a factor of immense
value in our national affairs. Black Shirts proclaim a fact
which politicians dating from pre war days were never faced,
that the new age requires new methods and new men. Uh,
I don't have it all on here. It's only a
chunk of the thing. This thing you get the idea

(48:38):
crazy newsreel is the that's the next article. And woman
through the ages. Oh boy, now I was thinking that too.
But you can import things from other countries like Rhods,
just not that. But not the people. Not the people
under no circumstances, Katie, I'm not lack. No, they're not

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wearing the right shirt, not steal the best from other cultures,
just not just the people. Well, they're not sending their best,
so they're not going to send their best, of course,
not unlike Oswald Mosley, who trains his best to jiu
jitsu so they can destroy newspaper offices. Among he has
six too, among other great ideas. Lord Rothmure declared Mussolini

(49:21):
to be the greatest man of the twentieth century and
another one of his articles did not age well U,
by the way, he's best, He's the best. He's the
best person that in nineteen thirty two I'm confident will
arise in the next seventy eight years. Curious see how
his position evolves. I mean, have you read the Daily Mail?

(49:44):
The Daily Mail for reference after the christ Church shootings
just provided a free download of the shooters manifesto to
anyone who wanted it. I just avoid yeah, an the whole.
Are there any good publications that are daily like The
Day that was a set up daily, the Daily Caller. No,

(50:14):
it's almost like releasing a bunch of stuff every day
on a thing that you can't like, do any really
great analysis and maybe you know the best you can
hope for is reporting that's that's not nonsense. And even
then a lot of the times people are gonna get
it wrong. It's so like sensationalist like instant reactions to stuff.
Isn't responsible news. It might be. I mean newspaper is

(50:36):
destroyed on one every day. I just mean I've quite
a lot of daily publications that are like I roll
a world. Oh yeah, they're all bad, except for the
daily guys. Except for the daily guys, of course, I
mean literally again, Dailey Wire, Dailey Caller, Daily Mail, Daily Prophet,
the Daily Show. That would be Harry Potter. You do
not want to be thank you listening to that Harry Potter.

(50:57):
That was a Harry Potter. The whole thing was a
setup for a Harry Potter. We are talking about British people. Well,
I'm sure once jk Rowling here's this, we'll get a
couple of tweets about what Mosley was. His wizarding was
bad because he's secretly trans or something like that. But
I want to know her thoughts on the Goblin bankers anyway.

(51:20):
Oh boy, that is something I did not catch as
a nine year old. Enough. Yeah, it's fine, it's fine.
Uh In nineteen thirty, when the Nazis had gone from
twelve to d and seventh steech in the Rich Dog,
Lord Rothmuer had penned an article for The Daily Mail
stating the Nazis represent the rebirth of Germany as a nation,
which was not entirely inaccurate. To be fair, fun fact,

(51:42):
the Daily Mail online is today the world's largest English
language newspaper website. But I'm sure they've gotten a lot better.
I wrote all this before, I said their garbage and
don't don't go there. Well, Mosley's rallies grew more and
more violent, and the black Shirts got better and better
at doing violence. Lord Rothmure continued to praise the British
Union of Fascists. When Mosley was accused of wanting to
establish a quote system of rulership by means of steel

(52:05):
whips and concentration camps, Rothmuer called his critics tired alarmists
and panic mongers. The support of Rothmare in The Daily
Mail let thousands upon thousands of new Britons to join
the b UF. This meant Mosley gave more speeches to
larger crowds, which led to more vicious black Shirt beatings.
Of protesters and disruptive elements. Early in the early in
the BUF history, Mosley had tried to dispatch his hecklers

(52:25):
by making fun of them. He was a great public speaker,
some say one of the best in the history of
English politics, so this worked for a while. But as
time went on, the black Shirts took more and more
of that responsibility and used more and more violence to
do it. According to the Death of British Fascism quote,
brutality on both sides of the podium abounded in this period,
although Mosley claimed he forbade his Black Shirts to use
weapons of any kind. The Constitution of the Black Shirts
outlined careful rules for keeping order at BUF meetings. It

(52:48):
stated interrupters will be ejected only on the instructions of
the speaker. When the persistence of an interrupter prevents those
in his vicinity from hearing the speech, objection will be
carried out with a minimum of force necessary. In my
life mostly calls the slogan he used to inspire his protectors,
we never start fights, we only finished them. Both hecklers
and black Shirts regularly carried weapons, from brass knuckles to

(53:08):
razor blades. Mosley was proud that never once was one
of his meetings broken up, but this was only possible
due to the intense violence deployed by his black Shirts.
Mosley would later write that these devoted young men saved
free speech in Britain. Sure they hate how many times
use the free speech in your podcast? I know it's

(53:31):
it's their favorite dog whistle. It's yeah, it's frustrating. Free
speech is good, it is good, but words don't mean
things to them. Yeah. The Communist Party was the largest
organized opposition to the b UF. Their newspaper, The Daily Worker,
cheered when four black Shirts were hospitalized after an atmbush
in Edinburgh. This built and built until a planned BUF
rally on June seven, nine thirty four, in Olympia. This

(53:53):
rally was planned to bring more than fifteen thousand fascists together.
Twelve thousand of those people were actual audience members, the
remaining three thousand or black Shirts in and out of uniform,
waiting throughout the crowd to break up the Communist resistance.
They knew it was coming. The Communist Party had asked
its local leaders to buy as many tickets to the
meeting as possible, having their members send in ticket requests
along with lurid letters of support for fascism. The plan

(54:14):
was that anti fascist demonstrators could hide themselves in small
groups throughout the mass of audience members. After Mostly introduced himself,
they'd start chanting slogans like Fascism means murder down with
Mosley until they were physically removed. Other groups would cut
the lighting cables. These interrupters would all wear black shirts
to confuse the fascists, and they'd stagger their disruptions in
order to make sure that as soon as the fascists

(54:35):
cleared one group out, the next would start up, completely
derailing the planned meeting. This plan worked brilliantly for the
first hour or so of the meeting until the black
shirts managed to ferry it out basically all the communists.
They removed thirty people in total. Twenty one of these
people who are rested outside by the police for obstruction,
public disturbance and refusal to cooperate. In the end, Mosley
was able to finish his speech. He made as much

(54:56):
hay as he possibly could out of the demonstrators showing up.
That same night on the BBC, he claimed that communists
had attempted to shout down free speech and asked the audience,
now I put it to you to your sense of
fair play, would you have handled these reds very gently
when you had seen your men kicked in the stomach
and slashed with razors, your women with faces streaming in blood.
Now there was zero evidence that anything like that had happened.

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In fact, one of the other panelists interviewed had been
at the speech and denied seeing any weapons and communist
hands at all. Instead, he said that he'd seen interrupters
struck in the head, in the stomach, all over the body,
with complete absence of restraint. He called it the worst
violence he'd seen short of the war. To their credit,
the BBC would not have Mosley on as a guest
again for more than twenty years. The media sided with

(55:37):
the interrupters, widely panning Mosley's Black Shirts for their violent
response to what amounted to minor acts of disruption. Geoffrey Lloyd,
a Conservative MP, attended the rally and later told The
Times of London he was quote appalled by the brutal
conduct of the fascist last night. Five or six fascists
carried out an interrupter by arms and legs. Several other
black Shirts were engaged in kicking and hitting his lifeless body.
Oddly enough, Mosley's biggest supporter in the mainstream was David

(56:00):
Lloyd George, a liberal. Shortly after the meeting, George wrote
an editorial and stated quote, it is difficult to explain
what the fury of the champions of free speech should
be concentrated so exclusively, not on those who deliberately and
resolutely attempted to prevent the public expression of opinions of
which they disapproved, but against those who fought, however, roughly
for freedom of speech. Lloyd George believed that people who

(56:20):
showed up at a political meeting with the intent of
disrupting it have no right to complain if an exasperated
audience handles them rudely, rudely, rude rudely, rudely, with whimsically,
with with whimsical brutality. So much use of the phrase
free speech, and none of which were written by me,
by the way, these are all yeah. This wing towards

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greater violence occurred right alongside another event that would further
radicalize Moseley's Fascist party. Three weeks after the Olympia rally
was the Night of Long Knives, where Hitler's Nazi party
consolidated power by murdering at least eighty five political rivals.
Many people who had been on the fence about this
Hitler fellow and his Nazism left right the funk off
that fence after the Night of Long Knives, but Mosley
and the b UF backed their fascist brothers to the hilt.

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Black Shirt, the b UF's official newspaper, claimed that the
men Hitler murdered were guilty of the greatest fascist crime,
disloyalty to the leader. Yeah. Yeah, what about free speech, guys, Well,
not once you're in charge. Free speech until you get
in charge and then never again. Oh okay, that's less

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catch it just below it. You han't got a lot
lower into violence. I guess man, they love beating people up.
They do love beating people up. It's a lot of fun.
So uh. This is the move that finally lost Mosley
the support of Lord Rothmere. He pulled the Daily Mail
support of the bus in the very next issue Brave Man.

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He only supported him for like say, he's a coward
a couple of just a couple of years. Until all
the things that he said became clear that he meant them.
Oh you meant the things should be taking you literally
this whole time. Mommy, are you watching? Apologies, British people. Sorry.

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At the time, Mosley claimed Rothmure had only chickened out
on his fascism due to pressure from a cabal of
Jewish advertisers. It was one of the first stirrings of
public anti Semitism from Oswald Moseley, who up until this
point had walked a fine line of supporting the Nazis
and being a fascist without actually blaming the Jews for
all the world's wars. That would change rather dramatically as
time went on, But we'll have to tell that story

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on Thursday, and we come back for part two of
Oswald Moseley's life story. I can't wait. Good luck, Tommy.
Do you guys think it's gonna in Well? Yeah, all
stories have good ending, they do, they do. I feel
like he's going to be a cool guy. I think
he's gonna be a cool guy with good opinions who
goes about bringing those opinions to fruition in healthy, productive

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kind ways. I feel the same. I think he's going
to get married and settled down too. I think, oh yeah,
find a wife, be a couple, of wives wives, maybe
a harem who's legally obligated to never leave the palace.
He seems like that kind of guy. It does seem
like that kind of guy. I can't tell if you're
There are so many pilities. Let's let's let's plug some

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plug doubles before we uh we pretend to go away
until part two. Yeah, yeah, I won't see you for
another day or two. We're going to go and some guys.
That's how we do this show. Yeah, we just keep
driving back. You can check us out online. We've got
a podcast, even more News podcast. We've got a Patreon,
Patreon dot com slash Some More News which ye YouTube

(59:44):
show is called some More News. Uh, it's on YouTube.
You can google it also somewhere news Twitter. My personal
Twitter is dr Mr Cody Minds, Katie Stole And I
think those are all the things we can plug. I
you can plug whatever you want. First Off, Thrones is
coming back a couple of weeks. Oh. I don't think
a lot of people have heard of that. Oh it's

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a great show. Yeah, you should catch up on it.
Check check that one out. I don't want to anything
but the scot Dragons. Goddamn, but but to be fair,
the dragons are computer generated. Oh well, so sorry, this
is disappointing. This is a real bummer. I thought they
were cloning. Sorry. I'm Robert Evans. You can find me

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an all cops are behind the Bastards shirts season. There
were working on that good. I feel like that one's
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it all kind of that. That'll be my new driving
shirt instead of the same Lives Do Cry shirt. You're
just promoting your podcast, man, that's fine. You haven't heard it.

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I thought that's what the shirts about. Man, this is
the episode. Go go hug your family or some ship.