August 8, 2024 • 47 mins
Robert and Garrison continue exploring the world of Blue Dawn, where the justice system is angry twitter mobs empowered to throw people in prison and President Trump is an underground Castro-like militant commander.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media. Oo, Garrison, Hi, are you gonna get Are
you going to give an atonal shriek? Or are you
not going to be a team player today?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't know what tone I would even try to
imitate for an atonal shriek. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Come on, come on, you want to you wanna go
to David Lynch in the Afterlife and say that's the
atonal shriek that I gave when I had a chance
to perform, Garrison to really sing my heart out on camera.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm sure I'll have a never opportunity again to do
an a tonal shriek.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, well, any literally, anytime you're on the show. Have
you been in the week or so since we first
started reading Blue Dawn?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Pretty good? I've not been doing as much other reading
as I would like to, but that's the way it goes.
Sometimes it's too hot to read.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's too hot to read. Yeah, wow, I mean, I
guess I grew up in Texas, so everything inside was
always fifty five degrees, so I've never known that. Well,
I'm going to try to break that spell for you, Garrison,
because we're going to get back into reading the next
two chapters of Blaine Parda's Blue Dawn, which is, as
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far as I can tell, like a fantasy novel of
what certain people on the right think Antifa is capable of,
and as a result, it comes across in parts as
like oh if only, if only. But it's interesting too
because you get these like this kind of vision of
like what they think was about to happen, which is
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fun because of like, I mean, we just know what happened,
like the reality.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Is this because it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, this movie they were so terrified of. Like no,
I mean, like people were angry, but there was never
any cohesive effort to take over the country or any
real desire to among a large number of people. Most
of the people who went out in the streets in
twenty twenty were just angry because the cops suck and
then they went home.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know, Yeah, they were They were not planning to
take over the United States Capitol building.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They certainly didn't have together to like lay siege to
two military bases while taking the Capitol and the White House. No,
but let's get back into the fantasy. Chapter four, the
greatest heroes are victims, which is like presented as a Christ,
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but they don't say you said it. Yeah, I mean
that is very much like there's not There was a
famous Nazi quote like the Jew cries out while he
strikes you, right, Like, it's this thing the right has
always done where anyone who is a victim is really
secretly our oppressor, because that's how they get you, by
pointing out that you're doing things that hurt them.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
That's also how a whole bunch of these conservative men
also just like view all women. Yes, how the victim
is secretly the oppressor.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I mean it's the kind of thing you have
to believe if you're primarily going to spend your life
victimizing people, Right, if you decided the thing that I
do is hurt people, then you really have to make
it clear that the actual actually being a bad guy
is being the person who gets hurt, right, Like it's
bully logic, right, Yeah, my fist wouldn't hit anything if
your face wasn't there. So we start back with the
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story of Raoul Lopez, who is our young Mexican American
immigrant who's gotten a job with the Youth Core. Now,
the Youth Core Garrison is clearly modeled in part after
the Civilian Conservation Corp. Which is an organization that was
started during the FDR administration to deal with the consequence
of all these people being out of work in the depression.
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A lot of my family is alive because my grandpa,
you know, got a job through the Triple C. The
Timberline Lodge up here in Oregon, which is incredibly beautiful building,
was made as a result of, you know, these mass
civilian employment efforts. Most of our national parks and stuff,
a lot of them got started. My grandpa was doing
out in Oklahoma was largely like building trails and stuff.
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It's one of the better things that we did in
this book. It is a sinister example of the evil
government destroying the populace, and it's both One of the
things that's interesting about Blaine is he can't pick a lane,
so he's aware enough to know that, like he has
the issue with the environmentalists that a lot of conservatives have,
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which is they think that, like everyone who's concerned about
global warming just wants to put an end to modern civilization.
And so he kind of accidentally there's a moment here
where it seems like someone who has more knowledge of
the left might be parodying and narco primitivists right where
this youth Cores. They're cleaning up these destroyed factories and
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whatnot that have all collapsed, but they're not allowed to
use any technology or vehicles because it all emits. So
they're like disassimpling factories brick by brick, hand to hand.
And it's one of those things somebody who actually like
knew anything about the left. Theoretically you could do a
parody of like the anarcho primitivest scene or something here,
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but he doesn't know that those people exist. He just
thinks this is like anyone who believes in the EPA
like would be doing this.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Sure, it's like your average Elizabeth Warren voter. Yeah, which is,
you know, not not the case.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, no, And it's very funny. Yeah, there's an interesting
line here where we also get kind of how Blaine
thinks people from Mexico might look at the United States.
The youth Core officer that gave the lecture had talked
about how the companies had taken billions in profits and
made the workers get by with paltry bonuses. Some of
the factories he saw were massive and impressive, and it
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struck Raoul as wrong that the businesses had taken advantage
of their people in such a way. When he saw
all of the neighborhoods on their tour drive, he found
himself wondering just how bad off the employees were. We
never had homes like this in Mexico for oppressed people.
They seem to have good places to live.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Jesus Christ. Okay, it's like, were they.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Driving through the neighborhoods that people who worked in the
factories lived in, were they like or where those Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Saying that people in Mexico are like the most oppressed
people is not a common American political talking point.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, no, even liberals tend to have pretty shitty opinions
on immigrants. So again there's this piece of it that
verges on satire of like fringe ideology. It's just interesting.
I think the way that they do this. So he's
like they're cleaning up and rolls, like, boy, you know,
in Mexico we would use like cars or something for this.
And the friend he's made in Youth Corps is like, no,
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it's better we do it by hand running the heavy
equipment that only pollutes the air. Yes, it's faster, but
look at all the material we're saving for reuse. There
were so many clean air acts out of the district
in the last few years that it was hard to
keep track of them. Everyone said they were worried about pollution.
No one makes the Chinese Russians comply, though they are
the biggest polluters. The chairman of the Ruling Council summed
it up best. It's not important that they do. What's
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important is what we can do. And one of the
things that's going on here is he's like, this is
literally like four years after the revolution, and they've just
started calling DC the disc which, like it kind of
works in like fucking hunger games, because it's supposed to
be hundreds of years after people call stuff different now,
but it's like five years. That's like if we now
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called DC the district after because of like Trump selection
or something like. It's just that's not long enough for
that kind of change to happen. Man, I don't believe you.
It's also unclear how this government works because AOC still
has a job and the FBI still basically exists, but
there's like a chairman and a ruling council as opposed
to a president just unclear to me how this government
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actually functions. So this facility had been abandoned for decades.
According to the troop leader, it had been used by
homeless people as a shelter. That area had been the
worst to demolish, the stint shift, stale urine and garbage
mixed mingled with body odor. Those days were gone. The
homeless didn't exist, not according to the administration. There were
economically displaced, in transition and shelter dependent people, but the
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word homeless was never used. It was simply a banned word.
The role had to admit he didn't understand the distinctions
so well. The ones that had been in the abandoned
factory had looked homeless enough to him.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was it was a band ord. You're not allowed
to stay homeless anymore because of what.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
No, if all of this was like more consistent again,
you could at least try to make a point about
stuff like people obsessing over like should you use and
housed or homeless as supposed to? Like what would she
we actually do to like help people who are housing
and secure, like not live on the street, right, Like
what action should we take? Sure's there's things you could
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say there, but he just gets bogged down and like
this is.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The orwell nightmare of yeah, there being a word you
just can't say anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, and again it makes the government inconsistent because they
forced all of the suburban, middle class white people out
of their homes. So are these the formerly suburban people
or these the same homeless who were homeless before and
the government just didn't do anything for them. We're not
going to explain that because that would actually be like
competent world building, which we're we're not going to do
in this book, right not. And again you could, at
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least it would still be weird right wing propaganda. But
if it became clear that like all of these homeless
people living in the ruins had like five years ago
been middle managers at like Boeing, like that's you know,
maybe interesting, right, Like you could do something with that.
But he's not going to do anything with that, of course. Yeah.
So yeah. As he carefully loaded the wheelbarrow, making sure
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that it stayed balanced, he noticed the old graffiti on
the wall, freedom lost in fading orange print. Looking at it,
he wondered as to its meaning. What freedoms had been lost?
He felt free to do what he wanted as long
as he followed the rules. What are you doing, Cadet Lopez,
His troop leader, Avalon Winston, barked out to him, and
that is I think our nineteen eighty four reference is
this guy who was like the the milk toast liberal
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that's like secretly sinister, is named Winston. I was looking
at the wall. That's subversive content, the trup leader replied,
looking at the wall as if it were a piece
of pornography. You shouldn't even read it. Also, should this
guy not be negative about pornography?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Like, wouldn't he be rad with pornography because he's the evil,
degenerate leftist. You shouldn't even read it. It doesn't say much,
only two words, The troop leader walked over to him.
You were probably just a kid at the time. You
don't remember the right wing radical standoffs with the NSF,
the bombings and violent protests. The people who wrote that
were clinging to long outdated ideals that went back to
the founding of their country. They wasted the rights they
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had and corrupted the rights they believed were theirs. Look
at guns. Gun crimes are down because we've rounded them up.
Those people fought against the safety that we offered. They
said we were anarchists, but in reality they were sure, Yeah,
you can't look at the wall anymore because who Yeah.
And also just like, yeah, this graffiti freedom lost, that's
bad graffiti. It's like, that's not an incisive political commentary.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't feel like there is a lot of bad
political graffiti out there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
There is. But what I don't believe is that Raoul
would see that, and I wonder what freedoms were lost?
That really got me thinking. But no, like, your eyes
are just gonna go over that, right, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, that's not gonna it's not gonna induce any any
deep contemplation.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, but to make like graffiti, to competently do graffiti
that like might like reach someone, he would have to
like have characters with an interior mind, and these people
really don't. Anyway, we go immediately from this, while Raoul
is like cleaning up this destroyed factory, to some some
very out of place seeming Islamophobia. Standing in the sunlight
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just outside of the building were five young men. They
had dark complexions and they seemed to be angry. Raoul
could see it in their faces and the way they
stood arms crossed, their mouths drawn to tight frowns, and
air of defiance emanated from them. What can I help
you with? The troop leader called out to them, your people,
they didn't stop when the prayer siren went off, The
tallest of the men said bitterly. They continued to work
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through their prayers. Now for several days. You must stop
when you hear the siren. It is fager, it is sacred.
His voice was thick with a Farsia accent. How does
first off, Raoul is this didn't really receive an education,
like like undocumented immigrant? How does Raoul know what a
Farsi accent is?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But where did you learn that? I still can't get
over a prayer siren? I'm sorry, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's also like again, it shows that the author has
never been to a Muslim country or even around Muslims,
because like, I have been to numerous Muslim majority nations
where there's a call to prayer, and I have been
visibly outdoors working during the call to prayer. I've been
outdoors drinking water and eating during Ramadan. And you know
who never gave me shit is a single person because
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it's their religion and they know, like that's some fucking
white America's He's not gonna he's not a bank like
keeping Ramadan, Like I'm not gonna give him shit for this,
Like yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I just love the idea of the prayer siren being
this like horrible sign of how far we've we've come. Yes,
but like church bells are essentially the same thing, like yes,
we have our own version of the prayers syen well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And it's also there's this attitude. It's the same thing
you get with like these people who are like I
think this happened in the some one European country's trying
to keep migrants out where they're like, we just put
pig manure around the border. And it's like do you
think it's like kryptonite to Muslims? Like they're not even
banned from touching pork products. That's not how it is.
They're not supposed to like eat pork. But also they're
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specifically allowed to if they're starving. There's no rule that
says they can't like step in cowman or a pig manure,
Like that's not you don't know anything about these people,
Like they don't go to hell if they get shot
by a bullet covered in pork fat. That would be
a weird thing for Mohammad to have put in the karate.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, I mean all of these, all of these things
are more useful as phantasms than an actual you know,
understanding the different people are cultures.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And it's this thing, this belief that like, yeah, the
culture prayer where it exists, is this like authoritarian command.
Whereas like, again, having been around it a lot, most
of what you see is people who are Muslims in
the street not stopping, like continuing to go about their day.
I've seen it a lot because like Muslims are people
who live in a modern country too, and like they
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don't follow every rule the strictest way that it can
be followed, because nobody does. And my personal opinion is
I actually really miss that. It's like nice, it adds
atmosphere to your day, Like I found it really soothing
waking up to and going to sleep. I miss it
actually when I'm not there. So I don't know, this
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guy's just a bigot and he doesn't know anything about Muslims.
But let's continue.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I can't believe the author of this book. I'm canceling
my Audible subscription I can't support this anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, it's it's the this is this is what did
it for you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Huh, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Let's let's continue. It was a call to prayer. Another
man snapped, you're defying the will of a law and
insulting us if one you continue to work while we pray.
This is back to Raoul's thoughts. Ah, they must be Muslim,
that makes sense. He had been told when they arrived
in Detroit that there was a large Muslim population in
the area. Troop leader Winston tried to diffuse the situation.
I'm sorry, we meant no offense. We don't practice your faith.
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Most of my troop are Catholics, some follow no religion
at all. The lanky man stepped closer, only a few
freet from Winston. You will stop your work at the
times of our prayer. His tone was filled with a rage.
Several members of the troop began to move forward, closing
on their leader. Rol was shocked, but he too found
himself stepping towards them. In response, the man stabbed his
slender finger right into Avalon's chest as he spoke, I
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do not care about your administration. You are violating our law.
We are not going to tolerate it. What law. Julian,
another of Rol's friends, called out, there's no law that
says we have to stop. Raoul noticed at that moment
that Julian was carrying a pick in his hand. Suddenly
it looked like a weapon to him. This is getting
out of hand. It is Sharia law. One of the
men spat back, No, it it's not. It is the
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law that we live by. If you are here, you
need to adhere to it. That's religious law. Avalon said,
that doesn't apply here. The man poked at his chest again,
this time hard. It is our law. As he did so,
he noticed that the troops stepped forward. Even Raul stopped
for a moment and grabbed a brick from an old
factory floor. The weight of it gave him confidence. You're
making a big mistake, snapped the tall man. You're disrespecting
our faith. We don't take them from anything from anyone,
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especially a bunch of Mexicans brought into our city. It's
bad enough that Youth Corp takes jobs that our people need.
We will not tolerate you ignoring our religion. And it's interesting.
It's a it's again. If you knew anything at all
about like the left. There's a couple of ways this
could go that it would be more interesting, because like
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we're led to believe this is a government where most
of the law enforcement is done by antifa mobs who
just like beat up people in the street and light
their cars on fire. And if you actually know a
lot of anarchists, there's a lot of anarchists who are
very anti religious. So like one version of this, you
could have this guy Winston be very hostile and he
could be showed like what the doomed multicultural nature of
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this society, But they's he can't be consistent, So Winston
can't be like an actual like angry anarchist who hates religion.
He has to be like this milk toast caricature of
a liberal who can't stand up to the evil Muslims,
even though the government is explicitly shown as being governed
in large part by evil anarchists murdering people in the street.
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But like we just don't actually see them doing any
evil anarchist stuff, Like they're not able to even like
argue with these Muslims about the cull to prayer. It's
just so inconsistent like he can't pick what kind of evil,
progressive fantasy world this is.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I mean I did kind of get a little astologic
about the Sharia law thing because that was that was
such a such an overwhelming talking point when I was younger,
how they're gonna they're gonna invade the country and and
force everyone to live under sharia law. It was just like, yeah,
so common. You don't hear that as much anymore. No,
it used to be like ever present.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I'm gonna talk about why. Part of why is that,
like Christians in this country have realized that a lot
of the things they used to be scared about as
Sharia law are actually things there, right, Yeah, Like a
lot of things that are actually shitty about, like a
lot of Muslim countries where religion is legislated into law,
are just things that Christians are trying to do here.
And it is funny he can't stop in trying to
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create these evil Muslim caricatures. He can't stop accidentally describing
American Christians. And I'm going to read another passage here, sir,
what do we do when the sirens start the start
the sound of their prayers? One of the youth volunteers asked,
we will work quietly. Whinston replied, almost under his breath,
I don't think we want trouble with these men, Raoul
not in response that much was true. They were tough
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looking and angry. The religion fuels their anger, and that
is a dangerous combination, sure is Raoul. Yeah, so, Raoul,
you know this. This really troubles him. And he goes
to a church which, despite the fact that this is
like an evil atheist, anarchist, totalitary and state, there are
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still Catholic churches operating openly where the priest is allowed
to openly critique the government without fear of violence. Apparently,
and Rule goes to one of these churches and he
talks to a priest. Once it had been a splendid building,
but time in the community had not been kind. Nasty
spray painted words plastered the magnificent stone work. Avalon had
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limited their time for church, but never said why. Raoul
had promised his mother he would go, and he enjoyed
singing and praying. It reminded him of home. The congregation
was small, huddled in the first five rows of the
immense church. There had been more Catholics here at one
time that was evident many were older people, though a
few Latino families were there as well. Some pews were
missing near the rear of the church, and Rul thought
he saw burnmarks on the stone floor where they had been.
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Had there been a fire here? Was it during the
liberation protests? And again very unclear how the actual rules
are set up here. Is this like some sort of
early Soviet Union thing where they have banned the churches,
because it certainly seems like they're able to do church
still anyway, whatever. I also wanted to point out that
like this fantasy he has of like, oh, when if
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the progressives get their way, churches will be burned? What
a heart? Who would do this? I want to look
into like what happened to mosques right after Trump took office?
And I want to read a quote here from a
teen Vogue article from March twenty seventeen. In the past
seven weeks, four moques across the country have caught fire.
According to BuzzFeed News, three of those fires have been
ruled arson. The authorities stated the Darus salam moss near Tampa, Florida,
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caught fire this past Friday, marking the fourth mosque to
go up in flames in fewer than two months. Mark Potok,
a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said
he's never seen anything like this, calling them a part
of a series of dramatic attacks against Muslims. So again,
he's always describing here shit that actually happened, just in reverse,
and he's being like, yeah, but what if it wasn't
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us doing this? Like yet, they didn't do this when
they had the chance. But what if it wasn't us
doing this? You know, I just I love victim cold.
You know who is a victim? Garrison?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
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Carlson's Live tour. I'm happy to take his money.
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He is a victim. He is a victim.
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He is a victim victim of cancel culture. Thanks Tucker,
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He just wanted to let us know that our support
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Speaker 2 (21:35):
And we're still close with Tucker despite our many disagreements.
I'm glad that we're still able to main friends.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, I would never think that he didn't. We didn't
want him to come along this summer to our the
annual retreat that you and I do at our cabin
up in the Catskill Mountains.
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Yeah, yeah, that'll be a great time for everybody. Next,
this Catholic priest explains how Muslims ruined tolerance to Raoul.
Raoul told him about the confrontation with the Muslim men.
The genial face of the older man nodded and slowly
went from jovial to rigid. God teaches us to turn
the other cheek, he said, But why were they imposing
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their religion on us? Father Ryan's side, as if this
were a conversation that he'd had many times over. There
was a time, not long ago, when I would have
told you that they couldn't. The United States did not
allow such things. They called it the separation of church
and state. We also treated every religion equally. That changed
four years ago after the Fall. Things changed, not necessarily
for the better. Detroit has always had a large Muslim community.
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Before the fall, we lived in relative harmony with Nu America. However,
some communities have begun to inflict their religious beliefs on others.
The government refuses to step in. Being Muslim means you're
an oppressed religion, and the Fedgov looks the other way
when they overstepped their bounds. The Catholic Church is seen
as a privileged religion, which promotes racism and class.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Distinctions about the whole like privilege system that they have. Oh,
oh my god, you get different privilege points. I also
forgot about Nu America, which still very good.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's it's really funny. And the yeah, the Fedgov. There's
no four years is not enough for everyone to go
from calling it the federal government or the government to
the FEDGOV. That's just not the way language works.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
My man, Fedgov has a weird mouthfield. I don't like Fedgov.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I don't like it all. And it's this.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I love that it's a Catholic priest being like America
used to not privilege any religion and then four years
ago at all that it changed. Sure, buddy, And you know,
I talk a lot rebudding this right wing shit, islamophobia,
shit about like good experiences I've had in Muslim parts
of the world. You know, I've had bad experiences too.
I've encountered like plenty of regret. I've been shot it
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by Isis guys. But like in Ukraine, I went to
a Ukrainian mosque that had ansari Im mom and like
my photographer was a woman and she was not allowed
on the compound. I had to go alone to interview
this guy because he would not let a woman onto
his compound. And that's fucked up. But it's also the
kind of fucked up that like Christians think is good.
It's like Mike Pince did that shit. And it's when
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I went to a Christian monastery in northern Greece and Mediora,
they like hand out dresses there that all of the
women have to put on around whatever they happen to
be wearing, just to make sure that they're decent before God.
And it's like you get like that, and that's that's
why they have to make up shit like these fantasy
Muslims who want to murder people for working during the
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cull to prayer, which doesn't really happen because the ship
that actual Muslim extremists do that's bad is stuff that
all of these Christian conservatives think is awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah. I mean even when I grew up, like it
was that was the entire culture that I was entrenched in,
and like women had to make sure they didn't dress
certain ways or else they would like incite lust in
a man, which isn't a man's fault if he acts
on it, it is the woman's fault. And that's just
so normal from like girls like five years old to corpse.
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That was the way. That was the way things were.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yep. Yeah, in part to just sort of like make
a point of how full of shit this guy is.
One of the more recent stories of actual attempts by
American Muslims to enforce like religious laws on other people
in the United States is something that was widely supported
by Christian Conservatives. This happened outside of it in Washington,
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d C. In a school district that had an lgbt
inclusion policy that was protested by a chunk of the
local Muslim community. The According to A. Zeneb Chowdri, the
Maryland director for the Council on Islamic American Relations, the
school system believes it is being inclusive towards LGBTQ parents
(25:50):
and students, but in doing that, it is not being
inclusive towards another set of parents and students, and this
is like a real conflict. There's been a couple other
cases of this where you've got like large Muslim communities
that are hostile to LGBTQ rights, and guys like Blaine
have no issue with this because they're fundamentally in favor
of all of the actual problems that come from like
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Islamic fundamentalism, because they have the same problems that come
from Christian fundamentalism. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes, yeah, they often will form like a sort of
informal united front on this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, but again, a smarter person who was still conservative
could actually like do something interesting where you have like, yeah,
I've got these like Christian religious extremists who lost their war,
and they're like banding together with these hardliner Muslims in
you know, some of these cities in order to like
because these people are oppressed and they have more power
into the new government to push through some of the
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regressive laws against groups that they hate or whatever. Like
that's at least more interesting and more complex than what
we get here. You know, I could still see that
being pretty racist, but at least it would make for
better storytelling. But again Blaine doesn't it doesn't go deep
enough to do any of that. Yeah, So Raoul continues
to talk with Father Ryan, Father Ryan, who ends by
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saying we are all equal in God's eyes. The ruling
counsel feels that we possess too much wealth and power,
so they have taxed us and persecuted our practices. The
truth is the first victim of oppressive governments. What had
been tolerance has become strife. You were not the first
to endure such confrontations. Now you, as a good Catholic,
must endure the pressures of the social enforcers, as must
I Jesus bore across. We must bear others inflicting their
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beliefs upon us.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Christians would never inflict their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And nobody, no, not a thing I've ever seen them do.
And the scene ends with Father Ryan telling Raoul there
are times we have to fight for our beliefs, and
so Raoul very reasonably, is like, are you saying I
should fight those Muslims or like fight the government, and
the priest is like, oh no, no, I just meant like, generally,
sometimes you gotta fight for your beliefs, but not in
an actionable way it could get me in trouble. And
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then we move on to the next sub chapter, which
is set in Wheeling, West Virginia. You remember our fed spook, Kaylee,
the former CIA lady who's part of the it's not
the FBI, but it's mostly made up of the old
FBI and the CIA, who the anarchists are all okay
with basically having cop jobs. Still, yeah, yeah, she has
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to drive to this. There's been a murder that she's
going that's tied to this right wing terrorist group, so
she's going to go look at these these anarchist you know,
gang cops who all got murdered together. And she gets
really angry on the drive there that she has to
drive a hybrid, a cop car, a Prius.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, it's feel efficient. Goddamn it, I've been cooked.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
A cop car is supposed to be fast and heavy
duty to hell with emissions and concerns that perps would
get hurt in a chase. And that's it's so comprehensively
from one thing. Electric and hybrid cars are much heavier
than regular cars. They're extremely heavy. If you hit someone
with them, they do a lot of damage because they're
very heavy. Vehicles copared to like an ice you know engine.
And the other fact of this is that, like the
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concern with cop cars being too big, isn't that they'll
hurt purpse in a chase. It's that cops kill people
constantly chasing them, and the dead are almost never the purpse.
They're nearly always bystanders. In fact, I look this up,
more than five thousand bystanders and passengers have been killed
in police car chases since nineteen seventy nine. That's two
nine to elevens. Garrison, What a fun fact that is. Yeah,
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two nine elevens. Bystanders and passengers and chased cars account
for nearly half of all people killed in police pursuits.
Most bystanders were killed in their own cars by a
fleeing driver. Anyway, police shouldn't be allowed to chase people.
It never police almost never goes well.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Police shouldn't be allowed.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But the yes shouldn't be allowed. I'm just we did
try to have that fight, Garrison. This book is about
what would have happened if we'd won.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And we still have the FBI for some reason.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
So yeah, Honestly, again, because he's not a good writer,
he couldn't make this more interesting. You could, if you
were a leftist, maybe do a fun satire of like
law enforcement after the fantasy anarchist revolution, where all of
these as happens in real revolutions, like a lot of
the Tzar's secret police wound up working for the Soviet
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police state. Right, Like stuff like this happens in revolutions.
You can have a pretty interesting satire novel based around
like an FBI agent who manages to keep his job
in this transition to a quote unquote leftist state that
recreates a lot of the same problems of the earlier state.
Something interesting could be done with that if you actually
cared to write well.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And it is funny because now a popular conservative platform
is basically trying to abolish the FBI.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Said sure, Hey, you know what, let him fight if
it were a Tucker fight, the hard fight. Yeah, all right.
So here's Kaylee the grave and the place that this
murder has taken care place at is called the graveyard,
which is Garrison. Do you know what discourse we're about
to get in to here?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Necrofeelia discord No.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
No destroyed statues Garrison. All of the statues got removed
after the twenty twenty revolution from everywhere in America, and
they all got moved to a graveyard in West Virginia.
That's where all of America's old statues go.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, it was wet from the morning rain. To some
from a distance, it looked like a cemetery with unusually
large markers. In reality, these were statues after liberation. The
ruling council felt that destroying the monuments to old America's
past might spurn more resistance. Their solution was to put
them in the graveyard. Its formal name was the United
States Tribute Gardens. There were statues of former presidents, soldiers,
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countless Confederate statues, either torn down by mobs or removed
after the United States had fallen and New America was born.
I love this confirmation that in New America is the
legal official name of the country. Yeah, that would get
bigger riots than anything that actually happened in twenty twenty.
Kaylee looked at them as she walked through and saw
the damage that had been done to them, the faint
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outlines of old graffiti and sand blasted off. She could
see BLM and Antifa tags and simple sprayed in several
spots where the cleaning had failed. Streaks of rust and
tarnished stained some stones. She walked past the statue of
Thomas Jefferson, ripped from its former memorial in the district.
Someone had painted his face black, and despite scrubbing efforts,
it clung to the bronze. How the Mighty have fallen?
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The old Jefferson Memorial had been converted to the Clinton
Peace Monument a year ago.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
After the.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, this is a utopia. Bill Clinton's dead in twenty
twenty five, in the in this in the blue Dawn future,
Jefferson has fallen the Clinton Peace Monument.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's so funny. That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
What did he do for peace?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Particularly, Like it's a great question. Yeah, like no one
even no one, no liberal, the liberals don't credit him
for being a great peace president. They just missed the
nineties because the thing seemed a lot better.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, because it was before nine to eleven and after.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
The Cold War. It was just the best time to
be president. Like he just got really lucky with it. Okay,
some really stupid world building follows. Kaylee had been monitoring
NSF reports looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack
for anything that pointed to sons of Liberty movement. There
were a few seemingly random assassinations, usually of social enforcement,
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but those could be attributed to some overly brave civilian
that had somehow managed to keep his or horror rifle
and was out for revenge. No, she knew that the
SOL wanted to do something that could not be ignored,
something that would provoke a response on the part of
the administration. This mass killing, this fit their remo. NSF
detectives were good, but they came from a pure policing background.
Usually she was an operative, and that was a different
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animal altogether. Operatives all had some sort of special forces background.
They didn't think like police. They were more devious, a
bit more cunning, always more ruthless. She had been a
ranger in the army right after the liberation, one of
the few women to ever pass the program, then transferred
to military police. Kaylee understood how the police thought. It
went past that. If she didn't get the answer she
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was looking for, well she was inoperative. N SF operatives
like her could beat it out of someone if they
had to. Officially, operatives didn't exist, but everyone knew they did.
There's a lot that's fun. For one thing, you know
a lot of Army Rangers, the idea that, like we're
a uniquely brutal kind of breathe like not guys, no,
barely barely special Forces. Yeah, I'm not trying to give
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the rangers particular shit, but come on here, Like it
doesn't include torture training to be an Army ranger. It's
also funny when you read about like the kind of
shit Special Forces guys get busted for, which is almost
one hundred percent of the time, selling lots of drugs
and guns, Like it happens constantly, they get caught constantly.
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That just this this fantasy fetishization of like what it
means to be Special Forces is always very funny to me.
The thing that's funnier to me is the idea that,
like she's an operative, and that's a secret almost mythical
status in this government. People don't even know that the
odd there don't even officially exist, but everyone knows they exist.
So her organization is both so secret that it verges
(35:12):
on mythical, but also an open enough reality that she
has a badge that identifies her as an operative. And
immediately after this paragraph where they're like, officially, it doesn't exist.
She introduces herself to the police with a badge as
an operative and has immediately recognized as legitimate law enforcement.
It's just bad riding. As she rounded a massive battered
statue of Theodore Roosevelt, she came to where the crime
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scene technicians were gathered, tied to the statues. They stood
in front of with the bodies of fifteen individuals. Most
had their throats cut, and she could see bruises many
bore on their faces. They were tired up arms extended
with cheap old rope, something that would be hard to trace.
The texts were getting up on ladders, carefully scanning the
bodies and the statues for evidence. She looked at them
strung up on the statues as if they were crucified.
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She spotted someone she assumed was the lead detective and
walked briskly over to him. Feet were already wet from
the grass. He had her with total disregard until she
flashed her badge. Speck ups, he said, turning to face
her with a little more respect. Anne is to gun uperative.
I thought you folks were myths. It's best that you
continue to she said, it's how we prefer it. So
he doesn't like question in it all that he sees
(36:16):
a badge for things that doesn't exist. He doesn't like
be like, that's not a real law enforcement badge because
that doesn't exist. Like there's no nobody actually questions this,
like the cops have no problem not only have no
problem with the FED, but a FED from an organization
that doesn't officially exist anyway. Whatever. I it's just bad writing,
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Garrison, Yes, it does. It does appear to be.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, okay, it's fine. The victims are dastardly Antifa oppressors,
so we're gonna get like some grisly descriptions of like
young college students getting murdered that clearly gets the author
of this hard.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, Like it's it is. It is very clear here,
and I'm not gonna go wildly in to detail on this,
but I do feel the need to read this paragraph.
That was the problem with the social enforces as she
saw them. They were sloppy professionals understood the need for
paper trails and good documentation. These former ANTIFA kids preferred
to grab a club or a rock and just start
chucking sooner or later, we're going to have to put
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an end to having two policing forces out there. There's more,
the detective said grimly. When we idid the first victim,
we sit someone over to his house. His family had
been murdered as well. We're still tracking down the rest,
but it looks like someone made this very personal, killing children.
I can't wait to get my hands on these bastards.
She said nothing, but did not mostly do appear polite.
The tactic was far from new. During the Liberation, Antifa
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and the other revolutionaries had done the same thing to
police officers families. It had shaken the law enforcement community
to its core. Many officers put their loved ones in hiding,
while others refused to go back on patrol. Now these
tactics are being used against us. She knew no one
would say it out loud, but the phrase that came
to her mind was Karma's a bitch. And I think
that's funny, because do you know what actually happens in
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real life. What didn't happen is Antifa murdering the family
members of police officers. Never happened. Didn't occur. We had
an Antifa, They won the election, Theoretically, if you're this
guy and no police officers' families ever got targeted or murdered,
you know what is happening right now? Present day Los
Angeles County Sheriff's deputies targeting the families of people that
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they murdered. And I'm going to read a quote here
from The Hill dot Com. Our report released this week
claims that deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
regularly targeted relatives of several individuals were fatally shot by
members of the agency. The thirty seven page report from
the National Lawyers Guild Los Angeles ACLU of Southern California
and other groups lists alleged harassment against relatives of two men,
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Paul Raya and Anthony Vargas. Raya, eighteen, died in twenty
nineteen after being shot multiple times by an East Los
Angeles deputy. Vargus, twenty one, was fatally shot by two
deputies in twenty eighteen. The report, which was also presented
by groups like Black Lives Met At Los Angeles and
The Check the Sheriff coalitions, said deputies tried to intimidate
family members Raya and Vargas by slowly driving by or
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parking in front of their homes, slowly driving by memorial sites,
and damaging items at memorial sites. Deputies also allegedly taunted
relatives with crude comments and gestures, followed them as they drove,
parked outside their relatives' places of work, took pictures of them,
and recorded them. The group's further alleged to the deputies
harassed relatives who were miners, frequently pulled over family members
and searched their vehicles, and detained members without probable cause.
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The report detailed several incidents of alleged harassment, claiming in
some cases it took place after individuals spoke publicly against
the killing of their family member. In one incident, in
October twenty nineteen, the group say Raya's sister jay Leen,
spoke out about her brother's killing, and later that month
also attended a town hall that was hosted by Los
Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. The report alleged that Jaylen
was forcibly arrested by LASD deputies without probable cause shortly
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after attending the town hall. In the roughly two hours
she was held by police, Jayleen was not told by
deputies why she was arrested.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
There's been very similar stuff happening in Atlanta the past
few weeks and the past few months, I guess there's
been a lot of similar reports from people of APD
and other other agencies doing quite quite similar harassment and
even allegedly escalating to forms of like violent intimidation.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, and it's this this idea that like, oh, these
antifa guys that I've had to invent because the real
ones never did anything like this. You know, Karma's a bitch.
You stood in this and we're finishing And the.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Reality is that, like, well, think they're Batman or something
like I can't let people know or I'll sty'll go
after my family or experiment like whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Like Karma being a bitch would be police officers' families
getting targeted by like the victims of police violences, families
who like carried out a vengeance campaign like something like that,
because that's like what actually happens in the real world.
But you know, again, you could you could still be
a right wing shithead and have that be your plot point,
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and at least it would be slightly truer to the reality.
You'd be acknowledging that like, no, no, the cycle of
targeting families was started by the cops. It does kind
of make me think too of like Chris Dorner, right,
who as the only guy I can think of who
hated cops and attacked cops and attacked and killed members
of police officers families and he was also a cop.
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Because that's what cops do, is they go after the
family members of people they don't like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Right, with disregard for like other casualties.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yes, yeah, it's very much cop shit, you know. Anyway,
you know what's not the police unless it is because
it has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
As our sponsors hopefully these ads.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, we'll see we're back. So I want
to give you an idea of how masturbatory the descriptions
of dead activists here are. Sure, and also let's talk
about who he sees as being the members of these
Antifa death squads. Kaylee looked up for a long moment
(42:04):
at one of the bodies, a young woman who her matted,
wet blonde hair obscuring her face. Her black buttoned shirt
was opened and her faded UCLA T shirt was visible
against the wet soaked bloodstain where her throat had been cut.
She was close to the same age as a Lee,
but they were worlds apart. The message is that the
sons of liberty are back throats, so slashed throats slashed.
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I do love that. Like, yes, random UCLA grads are
like the murder police and this this hell whole progressive
fantasy world very I mean, you thing scarier than UCLA kids.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
You can tell why all these like campus protests really
freaked out these people too. Yeah, yeah, like it really
it really got to them because yeah, they think all
these kids at universities are like this like secret militia
ready to strike. Meanwhile, they have actual militias ready to strike.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, they have militias that like tried to overthrow the
government and like actually did a huge amount and have repeatedly.
There was just another guy arrested for threatening to kill
the family members of FBI agents after Hunter Biden's conviction,
Like a conservative who was angry because he somehow felt
that the Hunter Biden conviction was evidence of Biden hiding
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the truth about his family's crimes, and he like threatened
to kill family members of FBI agents and he's going
to do a lot of prison time for that, presumably
because you're you're not supposed to do that. But again,
the people threatening folks families are always you guys, right
Like anyway, I want to end with a little bit
more world building from this book about what happened to
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the press.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Oh oh good?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
So yeah, this is Kaylee talking to this cop. You know,
at the murder scene. The press is already here. I've
kept them back, secure their gears, she replied, Kick them out,
Remind them what happens if they don't cooperate, If they
have a complaint, tell them to take it up with
the Truth Reconciliation Committee. The media sided with the administration.
They had a little choice. They had incited the liberation
with their manipulation of information during the last election. Any
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pretense that they were going to buck the fedgov and
run a story that was bad was quickly squelched. Their
hands were as dirty as anyone's now. If they wanted
a story out, it had to be cleared by the TRC,
which was little more than a government censorship organization. They
know their place, and those that didn't are long gone.
They incited the liberation with their manipulation of information, and
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this is all based on the twenty twenty uprising, which
was incited by a cop choking a man to death
and a very like absolutely unedited, uneditorialized video by a
citizen who happened.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
To be on the scene, like a largely like completely undisputed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah. Even Trump's initial reaction was like, yeah, it's fucking horrible, right,
because like everyone's was, It's just I anyway, I don't know.
I guess that's all I got today from Blaine Pardo's
Blue Dog. We're probably done with this book at this point.
I just needed to know a little bit more about
what the f future has in store. When I think
it's mortars.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I would like to learn more about how Trump is
going to be training this secret underground militia. I do.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I do kind of want to hop to like find
the president in this. I haven't made it that far
because they they how how would Donald Trump survive? Underground
lifting is.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like like Donald Trump with like an eye patch. Yeah,
he has a camlee.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
He's like he's paragliding into New York City.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
He's going to retake Trump Tower.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh man, oh god, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, probably it probably won't be that fun or cool,
but we can imagine.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It definitely won't be that fun or cool, but we
can do something. Garrison, you got any pluggables to plug
before we roll out here?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Oh, just just my regular chronicling the brainwad on. It
could happen here if you want to, if you want
to listen about me learning way too much about Trump pornography.
That episode came out earlier in the month of June
or Trump Rule thirty four, and there's probably all kinds
of nonsense come out since then, based on you know,
(46:17):
the election and the debates and all that all that
fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, yeah, so check that out. Check out Garrison showing
his co workers pornography. Unless you will not work, unless
you work for iHeartRadio hides.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
It was completely sense.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
They tried, they tried, they tried to censor anyway. You know, Garrett,
We're done. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool
Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool
Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Also media. Oo, Garrison, Hi, are you gonna get Are
you going to give an atonal shriek? Or are you
not going to be a team player today?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't know what tone I would even try to
imitate for an atonal shriek. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Come on, come on, you want to you wanna go
to David Lynch in the Afterlife and say that's the
atonal shriek that I gave when I had a chance
to perform, Garrison to really sing my heart out on camera.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm sure I'll have a never opportunity again to do
an a tonal shriek.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, well, any literally, anytime you're on the show. Have
you been in the week or so since we first
started reading Blue Dawn?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Pretty good? I've not been doing as much other reading
as I would like to, but that's the way it goes.
Sometimes it's too hot to read.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's too hot to read. Yeah, wow, I mean, I
guess I grew up in Texas, so everything inside was
always fifty five degrees, so I've never known that. Well,
I'm going to try to break that spell for you, Garrison,
because we're going to get back into reading the next
two chapters of Blaine Parda's Blue Dawn, which is, as
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far as I can tell, like a fantasy novel of
what certain people on the right think Antifa is capable of,
and as a result, it comes across in parts as
like oh if only, if only. But it's interesting too
because you get these like this kind of vision of
like what they think was about to happen, which is
(01:36):
fun because of like, I mean, we just know what happened,
like the reality.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Is this because it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, this movie they were so terrified of. Like no,
I mean, like people were angry, but there was never
any cohesive effort to take over the country or any
real desire to among a large number of people. Most
of the people who went out in the streets in
twenty twenty were just angry because the cops suck and
then they went home.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know, Yeah, they were They were not planning to
take over the United States Capitol building.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They certainly didn't have together to like lay siege to
two military bases while taking the Capitol and the White House. No,
but let's get back into the fantasy. Chapter four, the
greatest heroes are victims, which is like presented as a Christ,
(02:26):
but they don't say you said it. Yeah, I mean
that is very much like there's not There was a
famous Nazi quote like the Jew cries out while he
strikes you, right, Like, it's this thing the right has
always done where anyone who is a victim is really
secretly our oppressor, because that's how they get you, by
pointing out that you're doing things that hurt them.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
That's also how a whole bunch of these conservative men
also just like view all women. Yes, how the victim
is secretly the oppressor.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I mean it's the kind of thing you have
to believe if you're primarily going to spend your life
victimizing people, Right, if you decided the thing that I
do is hurt people, then you really have to make
it clear that the actual actually being a bad guy
is being the person who gets hurt, right, Like it's
bully logic, right, Yeah, my fist wouldn't hit anything if
your face wasn't there. So we start back with the
(03:18):
story of Raoul Lopez, who is our young Mexican American
immigrant who's gotten a job with the Youth Core. Now,
the Youth Core Garrison is clearly modeled in part after
the Civilian Conservation Corp. Which is an organization that was
started during the FDR administration to deal with the consequence
of all these people being out of work in the depression.
(03:38):
A lot of my family is alive because my grandpa,
you know, got a job through the Triple C. The
Timberline Lodge up here in Oregon, which is incredibly beautiful building,
was made as a result of, you know, these mass
civilian employment efforts. Most of our national parks and stuff,
a lot of them got started. My grandpa was doing
out in Oklahoma was largely like building trails and stuff.
(04:00):
It's one of the better things that we did in
this book. It is a sinister example of the evil
government destroying the populace, and it's both One of the
things that's interesting about Blaine is he can't pick a lane,
so he's aware enough to know that, like he has
the issue with the environmentalists that a lot of conservatives have,
(04:22):
which is they think that, like everyone who's concerned about
global warming just wants to put an end to modern civilization.
And so he kind of accidentally there's a moment here
where it seems like someone who has more knowledge of
the left might be parodying and narco primitivists right where
this youth Cores. They're cleaning up these destroyed factories and
(04:42):
whatnot that have all collapsed, but they're not allowed to
use any technology or vehicles because it all emits. So
they're like disassimpling factories brick by brick, hand to hand.
And it's one of those things somebody who actually like
knew anything about the left. Theoretically you could do a
parody of like the anarcho primitivest scene or something here,
(05:03):
but he doesn't know that those people exist. He just
thinks this is like anyone who believes in the EPA
like would be doing this.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Sure, it's like your average Elizabeth Warren voter. Yeah, which is,
you know, not not the case.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, no, And it's very funny. Yeah, there's an interesting
line here where we also get kind of how Blaine
thinks people from Mexico might look at the United States.
The youth Core officer that gave the lecture had talked
about how the companies had taken billions in profits and
made the workers get by with paltry bonuses. Some of
the factories he saw were massive and impressive, and it
(05:37):
struck Raoul as wrong that the businesses had taken advantage
of their people in such a way. When he saw
all of the neighborhoods on their tour drive, he found
himself wondering just how bad off the employees were. We
never had homes like this in Mexico for oppressed people.
They seem to have good places to live.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Jesus Christ. Okay, it's like, were they.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Driving through the neighborhoods that people who worked in the
factories lived in, were they like or where those Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Saying that people in Mexico are like the most oppressed
people is not a common American political talking point.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, no, even liberals tend to have pretty shitty opinions
on immigrants. So again there's this piece of it that
verges on satire of like fringe ideology. It's just interesting.
I think the way that they do this. So he's
like they're cleaning up and rolls, like, boy, you know,
in Mexico we would use like cars or something for this.
And the friend he's made in Youth Corps is like, no,
(06:27):
it's better we do it by hand running the heavy
equipment that only pollutes the air. Yes, it's faster, but
look at all the material we're saving for reuse. There
were so many clean air acts out of the district
in the last few years that it was hard to
keep track of them. Everyone said they were worried about pollution.
No one makes the Chinese Russians comply, though they are
the biggest polluters. The chairman of the Ruling Council summed
it up best. It's not important that they do. What's
(06:49):
important is what we can do. And one of the
things that's going on here is he's like, this is
literally like four years after the revolution, and they've just
started calling DC the disc which, like it kind of
works in like fucking hunger games, because it's supposed to
be hundreds of years after people call stuff different now,
but it's like five years. That's like if we now
(07:11):
called DC the district after because of like Trump selection
or something like. It's just that's not long enough for
that kind of change to happen. Man, I don't believe you.
It's also unclear how this government works because AOC still
has a job and the FBI still basically exists, but
there's like a chairman and a ruling council as opposed
to a president just unclear to me how this government
(07:33):
actually functions. So this facility had been abandoned for decades.
According to the troop leader, it had been used by
homeless people as a shelter. That area had been the
worst to demolish, the stint shift, stale urine and garbage
mixed mingled with body odor. Those days were gone. The
homeless didn't exist, not according to the administration. There were
economically displaced, in transition and shelter dependent people, but the
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word homeless was never used. It was simply a banned word.
The role had to admit he didn't understand the distinctions
so well. The ones that had been in the abandoned
factory had looked homeless enough to him.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was it was a band ord. You're not allowed
to stay homeless anymore because of what.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
No, if all of this was like more consistent again,
you could at least try to make a point about
stuff like people obsessing over like should you use and
housed or homeless as supposed to? Like what would she
we actually do to like help people who are housing
and secure, like not live on the street, right, Like
what action should we take? Sure's there's things you could
(08:30):
say there, but he just gets bogged down and like
this is.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The orwell nightmare of yeah, there being a word you
just can't say anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, and again it makes the government inconsistent because they
forced all of the suburban, middle class white people out
of their homes. So are these the formerly suburban people
or these the same homeless who were homeless before and
the government just didn't do anything for them. We're not
going to explain that because that would actually be like
competent world building, which we're we're not going to do
in this book, right not. And again you could, at
(09:02):
least it would still be weird right wing propaganda. But
if it became clear that like all of these homeless
people living in the ruins had like five years ago
been middle managers at like Boeing, like that's you know,
maybe interesting, right, Like you could do something with that.
But he's not going to do anything with that, of course. Yeah.
So yeah. As he carefully loaded the wheelbarrow, making sure
(09:24):
that it stayed balanced, he noticed the old graffiti on
the wall, freedom lost in fading orange print. Looking at it,
he wondered as to its meaning. What freedoms had been lost?
He felt free to do what he wanted as long
as he followed the rules. What are you doing, Cadet Lopez,
His troop leader, Avalon Winston, barked out to him, and
that is I think our nineteen eighty four reference is
this guy who was like the the milk toast liberal
(09:46):
that's like secretly sinister, is named Winston. I was looking
at the wall. That's subversive content, the trup leader replied,
looking at the wall as if it were a piece
of pornography. You shouldn't even read it. Also, should this
guy not be negative about pornography?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Like, wouldn't he be rad with pornography because he's the evil,
degenerate leftist. You shouldn't even read it. It doesn't say much,
only two words, The troop leader walked over to him.
You were probably just a kid at the time. You
don't remember the right wing radical standoffs with the NSF,
the bombings and violent protests. The people who wrote that
were clinging to long outdated ideals that went back to
the founding of their country. They wasted the rights they
(10:22):
had and corrupted the rights they believed were theirs. Look
at guns. Gun crimes are down because we've rounded them up.
Those people fought against the safety that we offered. They
said we were anarchists, but in reality they were sure, Yeah,
you can't look at the wall anymore because who Yeah.
And also just like, yeah, this graffiti freedom lost, that's
bad graffiti. It's like, that's not an incisive political commentary.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't feel like there is a lot of bad
political graffiti out there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
There is. But what I don't believe is that Raoul
would see that, and I wonder what freedoms were lost?
That really got me thinking. But no, like, your eyes
are just gonna go over that, right, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, that's not gonna it's not gonna induce any any
deep contemplation.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, but to make like graffiti, to competently do graffiti
that like might like reach someone, he would have to
like have characters with an interior mind, and these people
really don't. Anyway, we go immediately from this, while Raoul
is like cleaning up this destroyed factory, to some some
very out of place seeming Islamophobia. Standing in the sunlight
(11:29):
just outside of the building were five young men. They
had dark complexions and they seemed to be angry. Raoul
could see it in their faces and the way they
stood arms crossed, their mouths drawn to tight frowns, and
air of defiance emanated from them. What can I help
you with? The troop leader called out to them, your people,
they didn't stop when the prayer siren went off, The
tallest of the men said bitterly. They continued to work
(11:52):
through their prayers. Now for several days. You must stop
when you hear the siren. It is fager, it is sacred.
His voice was thick with a Farsia accent. How does
first off, Raoul is this didn't really receive an education,
like like undocumented immigrant? How does Raoul know what a
Farsi accent is?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But where did you learn that? I still can't get
over a prayer siren? I'm sorry, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's also like again, it shows that the author has
never been to a Muslim country or even around Muslims,
because like, I have been to numerous Muslim majority nations
where there's a call to prayer, and I have been
visibly outdoors working during the call to prayer. I've been
outdoors drinking water and eating during Ramadan. And you know
who never gave me shit is a single person because
(12:39):
it's their religion and they know, like that's some fucking
white America's He's not gonna he's not a bank like
keeping Ramadan, Like I'm not gonna give him shit for this,
Like yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I just love the idea of the prayer siren being
this like horrible sign of how far we've we've come. Yes,
but like church bells are essentially the same thing, like yes,
we have our own version of the prayers syen well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And it's also there's this attitude. It's the same thing
you get with like these people who are like I
think this happened in the some one European country's trying
to keep migrants out where they're like, we just put
pig manure around the border. And it's like do you
think it's like kryptonite to Muslims? Like they're not even
banned from touching pork products. That's not how it is.
They're not supposed to like eat pork. But also they're
(13:23):
specifically allowed to if they're starving. There's no rule that
says they can't like step in cowman or a pig manure,
Like that's not you don't know anything about these people,
Like they don't go to hell if they get shot
by a bullet covered in pork fat. That would be
a weird thing for Mohammad to have put in the karate.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, I mean all of these, all of these things
are more useful as phantasms than an actual you know,
understanding the different people are cultures.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And it's this thing, this belief that like, yeah, the
culture prayer where it exists, is this like authoritarian command.
Whereas like, again, having been around it a lot, most
of what you see is people who are Muslims in
the street not stopping, like continuing to go about their day.
I've seen it a lot because like Muslims are people
who live in a modern country too, and like they
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don't follow every rule the strictest way that it can
be followed, because nobody does. And my personal opinion is
I actually really miss that. It's like nice, it adds
atmosphere to your day, Like I found it really soothing
waking up to and going to sleep. I miss it
actually when I'm not there. So I don't know, this
(14:31):
guy's just a bigot and he doesn't know anything about Muslims.
But let's continue.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I can't believe the author of this book. I'm canceling
my Audible subscription I can't support this anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, it's it's the this is this is what did
it for you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Huh, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Let's let's continue. It was a call to prayer. Another
man snapped, you're defying the will of a law and
insulting us if one you continue to work while we pray.
This is back to Raoul's thoughts. Ah, they must be Muslim,
that makes sense. He had been told when they arrived
in Detroit that there was a large Muslim population in
the area. Troop leader Winston tried to diffuse the situation.
I'm sorry, we meant no offense. We don't practice your faith.
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Most of my troop are Catholics, some follow no religion
at all. The lanky man stepped closer, only a few
freet from Winston. You will stop your work at the
times of our prayer. His tone was filled with a rage.
Several members of the troop began to move forward, closing
on their leader. Rol was shocked, but he too found
himself stepping towards them. In response, the man stabbed his
slender finger right into Avalon's chest as he spoke, I
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do not care about your administration. You are violating our law.
We are not going to tolerate it. What law. Julian,
another of Rol's friends, called out, there's no law that
says we have to stop. Raoul noticed at that moment
that Julian was carrying a pick in his hand. Suddenly
it looked like a weapon to him. This is getting
out of hand. It is Sharia law. One of the
men spat back, No, it it's not. It is the
(15:52):
law that we live by. If you are here, you
need to adhere to it. That's religious law. Avalon said,
that doesn't apply here. The man poked at his chest again,
this time hard. It is our law. As he did so,
he noticed that the troops stepped forward. Even Raul stopped
for a moment and grabbed a brick from an old
factory floor. The weight of it gave him confidence. You're
making a big mistake, snapped the tall man. You're disrespecting
our faith. We don't take them from anything from anyone,
(16:14):
especially a bunch of Mexicans brought into our city. It's
bad enough that Youth Corp takes jobs that our people need.
We will not tolerate you ignoring our religion. And it's interesting.
It's a it's again. If you knew anything at all
about like the left. There's a couple of ways this
could go that it would be more interesting, because like
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we're led to believe this is a government where most
of the law enforcement is done by antifa mobs who
just like beat up people in the street and light
their cars on fire. And if you actually know a
lot of anarchists, there's a lot of anarchists who are
very anti religious. So like one version of this, you
could have this guy Winston be very hostile and he
could be showed like what the doomed multicultural nature of
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this society, But they's he can't be consistent, So Winston
can't be like an actual like angry anarchist who hates religion.
He has to be like this milk toast caricature of
a liberal who can't stand up to the evil Muslims,
even though the government is explicitly shown as being governed
in large part by evil anarchists murdering people in the street.
(17:20):
But like we just don't actually see them doing any
evil anarchist stuff, Like they're not able to even like
argue with these Muslims about the cull to prayer. It's
just so inconsistent like he can't pick what kind of evil,
progressive fantasy world this is.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I mean I did kind of get a little astologic
about the Sharia law thing because that was that was
such a such an overwhelming talking point when I was younger,
how they're gonna they're gonna invade the country and and
force everyone to live under sharia law. It was just like, yeah,
so common. You don't hear that as much anymore. No,
it used to be like ever present.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I'm gonna talk about why. Part of why is that,
like Christians in this country have realized that a lot
of the things they used to be scared about as
Sharia law are actually things there, right, Yeah, Like a
lot of things that are actually shitty about, like a
lot of Muslim countries where religion is legislated into law,
are just things that Christians are trying to do here.
And it is funny he can't stop in trying to
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create these evil Muslim caricatures. He can't stop accidentally describing
American Christians. And I'm going to read another passage here, sir,
what do we do when the sirens start the start
the sound of their prayers? One of the youth volunteers asked,
we will work quietly. Whinston replied, almost under his breath,
I don't think we want trouble with these men, Raoul
not in response that much was true. They were tough
(18:39):
looking and angry. The religion fuels their anger, and that
is a dangerous combination, sure is Raoul. Yeah, so, Raoul,
you know this. This really troubles him. And he goes
to a church which, despite the fact that this is
like an evil atheist, anarchist, totalitary and state, there are
(19:01):
still Catholic churches operating openly where the priest is allowed
to openly critique the government without fear of violence. Apparently,
and Rule goes to one of these churches and he
talks to a priest. Once it had been a splendid building,
but time in the community had not been kind. Nasty
spray painted words plastered the magnificent stone work. Avalon had
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limited their time for church, but never said why. Raoul
had promised his mother he would go, and he enjoyed
singing and praying. It reminded him of home. The congregation
was small, huddled in the first five rows of the
immense church. There had been more Catholics here at one
time that was evident many were older people, though a
few Latino families were there as well. Some pews were
missing near the rear of the church, and Rul thought
he saw burnmarks on the stone floor where they had been.
(19:43):
Had there been a fire here? Was it during the
liberation protests? And again very unclear how the actual rules
are set up here. Is this like some sort of
early Soviet Union thing where they have banned the churches,
because it certainly seems like they're able to do church
still anyway, whatever. I also wanted to point out that
like this fantasy he has of like, oh, when if
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the progressives get their way, churches will be burned? What
a heart? Who would do this? I want to look
into like what happened to mosques right after Trump took office?
And I want to read a quote here from a
teen Vogue article from March twenty seventeen. In the past
seven weeks, four moques across the country have caught fire.
According to BuzzFeed News, three of those fires have been
ruled arson. The authorities stated the Darus salam moss near Tampa, Florida,
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caught fire this past Friday, marking the fourth mosque to
go up in flames in fewer than two months. Mark Potok,
a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said
he's never seen anything like this, calling them a part
of a series of dramatic attacks against Muslims. So again,
he's always describing here shit that actually happened, just in reverse,
and he's being like, yeah, but what if it wasn't
(20:48):
us doing this? Like yet, they didn't do this when
they had the chance. But what if it wasn't us
doing this? You know, I just I love victim cold.
You know who is a victim? Garrison?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The products and services that support this podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, so pay reparations to them.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Possibly Carlson's live tour.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, yeah, god willing. You know, our main sponsor, Tucker
Carlson's Live tour. I'm happy to take his money.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He is a victim. He is a victim.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He is a victim victim of cancel culture. Thanks Tucker,
we're back. I just got a text from Tucker Garrison.
He just wanted to let us know that our support
means the world to him.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And we're still close with Tucker despite our many disagreements.
I'm glad that we're still able to main friends.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, I would never think that he didn't. We didn't
want him to come along this summer to our the
annual retreat that you and I do at our cabin
up in the Catskill Mountains.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, I would love for him to join us in
the isolated cabin in the woods. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, that'll be a great time for everybody. Next,
this Catholic priest explains how Muslims ruined tolerance to Raoul.
Raoul told him about the confrontation with the Muslim men.
The genial face of the older man nodded and slowly
went from jovial to rigid. God teaches us to turn
the other cheek, he said, But why were they imposing
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their religion on us? Father Ryan's side, as if this
were a conversation that he'd had many times over. There
was a time, not long ago, when I would have
told you that they couldn't. The United States did not
allow such things. They called it the separation of church
and state. We also treated every religion equally. That changed
four years ago after the Fall. Things changed, not necessarily
for the better. Detroit has always had a large Muslim community.
(22:38):
Before the fall, we lived in relative harmony with Nu America. However,
some communities have begun to inflict their religious beliefs on others.
The government refuses to step in. Being Muslim means you're
an oppressed religion, and the Fedgov looks the other way
when they overstepped their bounds. The Catholic Church is seen
as a privileged religion, which promotes racism and class.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Distinctions about the whole like privilege system that they have. Oh,
oh my god, you get different privilege points. I also
forgot about Nu America, which still very good.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's it's really funny. And the yeah, the Fedgov. There's
no four years is not enough for everyone to go
from calling it the federal government or the government to
the FEDGOV. That's just not the way language works.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
My man, Fedgov has a weird mouthfield. I don't like Fedgov.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I don't like it all. And it's this.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I love that it's a Catholic priest being like America
used to not privilege any religion and then four years
ago at all that it changed. Sure, buddy, And you know,
I talk a lot rebudding this right wing shit, islamophobia,
shit about like good experiences I've had in Muslim parts
of the world. You know, I've had bad experiences too.
I've encountered like plenty of regret. I've been shot it
(23:50):
by Isis guys. But like in Ukraine, I went to
a Ukrainian mosque that had ansari Im mom and like
my photographer was a woman and she was not allowed
on the compound. I had to go alone to interview
this guy because he would not let a woman onto
his compound. And that's fucked up. But it's also the
kind of fucked up that like Christians think is good.
It's like Mike Pince did that shit. And it's when
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I went to a Christian monastery in northern Greece and Mediora,
they like hand out dresses there that all of the
women have to put on around whatever they happen to
be wearing, just to make sure that they're decent before God.
And it's like you get like that, and that's that's
why they have to make up shit like these fantasy
Muslims who want to murder people for working during the
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cull to prayer, which doesn't really happen because the ship
that actual Muslim extremists do that's bad is stuff that
all of these Christian conservatives think is awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah. I mean even when I grew up, like it
was that was the entire culture that I was entrenched in,
and like women had to make sure they didn't dress
certain ways or else they would like incite lust in
a man, which isn't a man's fault if he acts
on it, it is the woman's fault. And that's just
so normal from like girls like five years old to corpse.
(25:05):
That was the way. That was the way things were.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yep. Yeah, in part to just sort of like make
a point of how full of shit this guy is.
One of the more recent stories of actual attempts by
American Muslims to enforce like religious laws on other people
in the United States is something that was widely supported
by Christian Conservatives. This happened outside of it in Washington,
(25:29):
d C. In a school district that had an lgbt
inclusion policy that was protested by a chunk of the
local Muslim community. The According to A. Zeneb Chowdri, the
Maryland director for the Council on Islamic American Relations, the
school system believes it is being inclusive towards LGBTQ parents
(25:50):
and students, but in doing that, it is not being
inclusive towards another set of parents and students, and this
is like a real conflict. There's been a couple other
cases of this where you've got like large Muslim communities
that are hostile to LGBTQ rights, and guys like Blaine
have no issue with this because they're fundamentally in favor
of all of the actual problems that come from like
(26:11):
Islamic fundamentalism, because they have the same problems that come
from Christian fundamentalism. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes, yeah, they often will form like a sort of
informal united front on this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, but again, a smarter person who was still conservative
could actually like do something interesting where you have like, yeah,
I've got these like Christian religious extremists who lost their war,
and they're like banding together with these hardliner Muslims in
you know, some of these cities in order to like
because these people are oppressed and they have more power
into the new government to push through some of the
(26:45):
regressive laws against groups that they hate or whatever. Like
that's at least more interesting and more complex than what
we get here. You know, I could still see that
being pretty racist, but at least it would make for
better storytelling. But again Blaine doesn't it doesn't go deep
enough to do any of that. Yeah, So Raoul continues
to talk with Father Ryan, Father Ryan, who ends by
(27:09):
saying we are all equal in God's eyes. The ruling
counsel feels that we possess too much wealth and power,
so they have taxed us and persecuted our practices. The
truth is the first victim of oppressive governments. What had
been tolerance has become strife. You were not the first
to endure such confrontations. Now you, as a good Catholic,
must endure the pressures of the social enforcers, as must
I Jesus bore across. We must bear others inflicting their
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beliefs upon us.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Christians would never inflict their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And nobody, no, not a thing I've ever seen them do.
And the scene ends with Father Ryan telling Raoul there
are times we have to fight for our beliefs, and
so Raoul very reasonably, is like, are you saying I
should fight those Muslims or like fight the government, and
the priest is like, oh no, no, I just meant like, generally,
sometimes you gotta fight for your beliefs, but not in
an actionable way it could get me in trouble. And
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then we move on to the next sub chapter, which
is set in Wheeling, West Virginia. You remember our fed spook, Kaylee,
the former CIA lady who's part of the it's not
the FBI, but it's mostly made up of the old
FBI and the CIA, who the anarchists are all okay
with basically having cop jobs. Still, yeah, yeah, she has
(28:19):
to drive to this. There's been a murder that she's
going that's tied to this right wing terrorist group, so
she's going to go look at these these anarchist you know,
gang cops who all got murdered together. And she gets
really angry on the drive there that she has to
drive a hybrid, a cop car, a Prius.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, it's feel efficient. Goddamn it, I've been cooked.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
A cop car is supposed to be fast and heavy
duty to hell with emissions and concerns that perps would
get hurt in a chase. And that's it's so comprehensively
from one thing. Electric and hybrid cars are much heavier
than regular cars. They're extremely heavy. If you hit someone
with them, they do a lot of damage because they're
very heavy. Vehicles copared to like an ice you know engine.
And the other fact of this is that, like the
(29:05):
concern with cop cars being too big, isn't that they'll
hurt purpse in a chase. It's that cops kill people
constantly chasing them, and the dead are almost never the purpse.
They're nearly always bystanders. In fact, I look this up,
more than five thousand bystanders and passengers have been killed
in police car chases since nineteen seventy nine. That's two
nine to elevens. Garrison, What a fun fact that is. Yeah,
(29:27):
two nine elevens. Bystanders and passengers and chased cars account
for nearly half of all people killed in police pursuits.
Most bystanders were killed in their own cars by a
fleeing driver. Anyway, police shouldn't be allowed to chase people.
It never police almost never goes well.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Police shouldn't be allowed.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But the yes shouldn't be allowed. I'm just we did
try to have that fight, Garrison. This book is about
what would have happened if we'd won.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And we still have the FBI for some reason.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
So yeah, Honestly, again, because he's not a good writer,
he couldn't make this more interesting. You could, if you
were a leftist, maybe do a fun satire of like
law enforcement after the fantasy anarchist revolution, where all of
these as happens in real revolutions, like a lot of
the Tzar's secret police wound up working for the Soviet
(30:16):
police state. Right, Like stuff like this happens in revolutions.
You can have a pretty interesting satire novel based around
like an FBI agent who manages to keep his job
in this transition to a quote unquote leftist state that
recreates a lot of the same problems of the earlier state.
Something interesting could be done with that if you actually
cared to write well.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And it is funny because now a popular conservative platform
is basically trying to abolish the FBI.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Said sure, Hey, you know what, let him fight if
it were a Tucker fight, the hard fight. Yeah, all right.
So here's Kaylee the grave and the place that this
murder has taken care place at is called the graveyard,
which is Garrison. Do you know what discourse we're about
to get in to here?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Necrofeelia discord No.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
No destroyed statues Garrison. All of the statues got removed
after the twenty twenty revolution from everywhere in America, and
they all got moved to a graveyard in West Virginia.
That's where all of America's old statues go.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, it was wet from the morning rain. To some
from a distance, it looked like a cemetery with unusually
large markers. In reality, these were statues after liberation. The
ruling council felt that destroying the monuments to old America's
past might spurn more resistance. Their solution was to put
them in the graveyard. Its formal name was the United
States Tribute Gardens. There were statues of former presidents, soldiers,
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countless Confederate statues, either torn down by mobs or removed
after the United States had fallen and New America was born.
I love this confirmation that in New America is the
legal official name of the country. Yeah, that would get
bigger riots than anything that actually happened in twenty twenty.
Kaylee looked at them as she walked through and saw
the damage that had been done to them, the faint
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outlines of old graffiti and sand blasted off. She could
see BLM and Antifa tags and simple sprayed in several
spots where the cleaning had failed. Streaks of rust and
tarnished stained some stones. She walked past the statue of
Thomas Jefferson, ripped from its former memorial in the district.
Someone had painted his face black, and despite scrubbing efforts,
it clung to the bronze. How the Mighty have fallen?
(32:25):
The old Jefferson Memorial had been converted to the Clinton
Peace Monument a year ago.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
After the.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, this is a utopia. Bill Clinton's dead in twenty
twenty five, in the in this in the blue Dawn future,
Jefferson has fallen the Clinton Peace Monument.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's so funny. That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
What did he do for peace?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Particularly, Like it's a great question. Yeah, like no one
even no one, no liberal, the liberals don't credit him
for being a great peace president. They just missed the
nineties because the thing seemed a lot better.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, because it was before nine to eleven and after.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
The Cold War. It was just the best time to
be president. Like he just got really lucky with it. Okay,
some really stupid world building follows. Kaylee had been monitoring
NSF reports looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack
for anything that pointed to sons of Liberty movement. There
were a few seemingly random assassinations, usually of social enforcement,
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but those could be attributed to some overly brave civilian
that had somehow managed to keep his or horror rifle
and was out for revenge. No, she knew that the
SOL wanted to do something that could not be ignored,
something that would provoke a response on the part of
the administration. This mass killing, this fit their remo. NSF
detectives were good, but they came from a pure policing background.
Usually she was an operative, and that was a different
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animal altogether. Operatives all had some sort of special forces background.
They didn't think like police. They were more devious, a
bit more cunning, always more ruthless. She had been a
ranger in the army right after the liberation, one of
the few women to ever pass the program, then transferred
to military police. Kaylee understood how the police thought. It
went past that. If she didn't get the answer she
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was looking for, well she was inoperative. N SF operatives
like her could beat it out of someone if they
had to. Officially, operatives didn't exist, but everyone knew they did.
There's a lot that's fun. For one thing, you know
a lot of Army Rangers, the idea that, like we're
a uniquely brutal kind of breathe like not guys, no,
barely barely special Forces. Yeah, I'm not trying to give
(34:29):
the rangers particular shit, but come on here, Like it
doesn't include torture training to be an Army ranger. It's
also funny when you read about like the kind of
shit Special Forces guys get busted for, which is almost
one hundred percent of the time, selling lots of drugs
and guns, Like it happens constantly, they get caught constantly.
(34:50):
That just this this fantasy fetishization of like what it
means to be Special Forces is always very funny to me.
The thing that's funnier to me is the idea that,
like she's an operative, and that's a secret almost mythical
status in this government. People don't even know that the
odd there don't even officially exist, but everyone knows they exist.
So her organization is both so secret that it verges
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on mythical, but also an open enough reality that she
has a badge that identifies her as an operative. And
immediately after this paragraph where they're like, officially, it doesn't exist.
She introduces herself to the police with a badge as
an operative and has immediately recognized as legitimate law enforcement.
It's just bad riding. As she rounded a massive battered
statue of Theodore Roosevelt, she came to where the crime
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scene technicians were gathered, tied to the statues. They stood
in front of with the bodies of fifteen individuals. Most
had their throats cut, and she could see bruises many
bore on their faces. They were tired up arms extended
with cheap old rope, something that would be hard to trace.
The texts were getting up on ladders, carefully scanning the
bodies and the statues for evidence. She looked at them
strung up on the statues as if they were crucified.
(35:56):
She spotted someone she assumed was the lead detective and
walked briskly over to him. Feet were already wet from
the grass. He had her with total disregard until she
flashed her badge. Speck ups, he said, turning to face
her with a little more respect. Anne is to gun uperative.
I thought you folks were myths. It's best that you
continue to she said, it's how we prefer it. So
he doesn't like question in it all that he sees
(36:16):
a badge for things that doesn't exist. He doesn't like
be like, that's not a real law enforcement badge because
that doesn't exist. Like there's no nobody actually questions this,
like the cops have no problem not only have no
problem with the FED, but a FED from an organization
that doesn't officially exist anyway. Whatever. I it's just bad writing,
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Garrison, Yes, it does. It does appear to be.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, okay, it's fine. The victims are dastardly Antifa oppressors,
so we're gonna get like some grisly descriptions of like
young college students getting murdered that clearly gets the author
of this hard.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, Like it's it is. It is very clear here,
and I'm not gonna go wildly in to detail on this,
but I do feel the need to read this paragraph.
That was the problem with the social enforces as she
saw them. They were sloppy professionals understood the need for
paper trails and good documentation. These former ANTIFA kids preferred
to grab a club or a rock and just start
chucking sooner or later, we're going to have to put
(37:15):
an end to having two policing forces out there. There's more,
the detective said grimly. When we idid the first victim,
we sit someone over to his house. His family had
been murdered as well. We're still tracking down the rest,
but it looks like someone made this very personal, killing children.
I can't wait to get my hands on these bastards.
She said nothing, but did not mostly do appear polite.
The tactic was far from new. During the Liberation, Antifa
(37:36):
and the other revolutionaries had done the same thing to
police officers families. It had shaken the law enforcement community
to its core. Many officers put their loved ones in hiding,
while others refused to go back on patrol. Now these
tactics are being used against us. She knew no one
would say it out loud, but the phrase that came
to her mind was Karma's a bitch. And I think
that's funny, because do you know what actually happens in
(37:58):
real life. What didn't happen is Antifa murdering the family
members of police officers. Never happened. Didn't occur. We had
an Antifa, They won the election, Theoretically, if you're this
guy and no police officers' families ever got targeted or murdered,
you know what is happening right now? Present day Los
Angeles County Sheriff's deputies targeting the families of people that
(38:21):
they murdered. And I'm going to read a quote here
from The Hill dot Com. Our report released this week
claims that deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
regularly targeted relatives of several individuals were fatally shot by
members of the agency. The thirty seven page report from
the National Lawyers Guild Los Angeles ACLU of Southern California
and other groups lists alleged harassment against relatives of two men,
(38:42):
Paul Raya and Anthony Vargas. Raya, eighteen, died in twenty
nineteen after being shot multiple times by an East Los
Angeles deputy. Vargus, twenty one, was fatally shot by two
deputies in twenty eighteen. The report, which was also presented
by groups like Black Lives Met At Los Angeles and
The Check the Sheriff coalitions, said deputies tried to intimidate
family members Raya and Vargas by slowly driving by or
(39:02):
parking in front of their homes, slowly driving by memorial sites,
and damaging items at memorial sites. Deputies also allegedly taunted
relatives with crude comments and gestures, followed them as they drove,
parked outside their relatives' places of work, took pictures of them,
and recorded them. The group's further alleged to the deputies
harassed relatives who were miners, frequently pulled over family members
and searched their vehicles, and detained members without probable cause.
(39:25):
The report detailed several incidents of alleged harassment, claiming in
some cases it took place after individuals spoke publicly against
the killing of their family member. In one incident, in
October twenty nineteen, the group say Raya's sister jay Leen,
spoke out about her brother's killing, and later that month
also attended a town hall that was hosted by Los
Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. The report alleged that Jaylen
was forcibly arrested by LASD deputies without probable cause shortly
(39:48):
after attending the town hall. In the roughly two hours
she was held by police, Jayleen was not told by
deputies why she was arrested.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
There's been very similar stuff happening in Atlanta the past
few weeks and the past few months, I guess there's
been a lot of similar reports from people of APD
and other other agencies doing quite quite similar harassment and
even allegedly escalating to forms of like violent intimidation.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, and it's this this idea that like, oh, these
antifa guys that I've had to invent because the real
ones never did anything like this. You know, Karma's a bitch.
You stood in this and we're finishing And the.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Reality is that, like, well, think they're Batman or something
like I can't let people know or I'll sty'll go
after my family or experiment like whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Like Karma being a bitch would be police officers' families
getting targeted by like the victims of police violences, families
who like carried out a vengeance campaign like something like that,
because that's like what actually happens in the real world.
But you know, again, you could you could still be
a right wing shithead and have that be your plot point,
(40:58):
and at least it would be slightly truer to the reality.
You'd be acknowledging that like, no, no, the cycle of
targeting families was started by the cops. It does kind
of make me think too of like Chris Dorner, right,
who as the only guy I can think of who
hated cops and attacked cops and attacked and killed members
of police officers families and he was also a cop.
(41:22):
Because that's what cops do, is they go after the
family members of people they don't like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Right, with disregard for like other casualties.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yes, yeah, it's very much cop shit, you know. Anyway,
you know what's not the police unless it is because
it has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
As our sponsors hopefully these ads.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, we'll see we're back. So I want
to give you an idea of how masturbatory the descriptions
of dead activists here are. Sure, and also let's talk
about who he sees as being the members of these
Antifa death squads. Kaylee looked up for a long moment
(42:04):
at one of the bodies, a young woman who her matted,
wet blonde hair obscuring her face. Her black buttoned shirt
was opened and her faded UCLA T shirt was visible
against the wet soaked bloodstain where her throat had been cut.
She was close to the same age as a Lee,
but they were worlds apart. The message is that the
sons of liberty are back throats, so slashed throats slashed.
(42:25):
I do love that. Like, yes, random UCLA grads are
like the murder police and this this hell whole progressive
fantasy world very I mean, you thing scarier than UCLA kids.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
You can tell why all these like campus protests really
freaked out these people too. Yeah, yeah, like it really
it really got to them because yeah, they think all
these kids at universities are like this like secret militia
ready to strike. Meanwhile, they have actual militias ready to strike.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, they have militias that like tried to overthrow the
government and like actually did a huge amount and have repeatedly.
There was just another guy arrested for threatening to kill
the family members of FBI agents after Hunter Biden's conviction,
Like a conservative who was angry because he somehow felt
that the Hunter Biden conviction was evidence of Biden hiding
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the truth about his family's crimes, and he like threatened
to kill family members of FBI agents and he's going
to do a lot of prison time for that, presumably
because you're you're not supposed to do that. But again,
the people threatening folks families are always you guys, right
Like anyway, I want to end with a little bit
more world building from this book about what happened to
(43:37):
the press.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Oh oh good?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
So yeah, this is Kaylee talking to this cop. You know,
at the murder scene. The press is already here. I've
kept them back, secure their gears, she replied, Kick them out,
Remind them what happens if they don't cooperate, If they
have a complaint, tell them to take it up with
the Truth Reconciliation Committee. The media sided with the administration.
They had a little choice. They had incited the liberation
with their manipulation of information during the last election. Any
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pretense that they were going to buck the fedgov and
run a story that was bad was quickly squelched. Their
hands were as dirty as anyone's now. If they wanted
a story out, it had to be cleared by the TRC,
which was little more than a government censorship organization. They
know their place, and those that didn't are long gone.
They incited the liberation with their manipulation of information, and
(44:24):
this is all based on the twenty twenty uprising, which
was incited by a cop choking a man to death
and a very like absolutely unedited, uneditorialized video by a
citizen who happened.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
To be on the scene, like a largely like completely undisputed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah. Even Trump's initial reaction was like, yeah, it's fucking horrible, right,
because like everyone's was, It's just I anyway, I don't know.
I guess that's all I got today from Blaine Pardo's
Blue Dog. We're probably done with this book at this point.
I just needed to know a little bit more about
what the f future has in store. When I think
it's mortars.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I would like to learn more about how Trump is
going to be training this secret underground militia. I do.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I do kind of want to hop to like find
the president in this. I haven't made it that far
because they they how how would Donald Trump survive? Underground
lifting is.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like like Donald Trump with like an eye patch. Yeah,
he has a camlee.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
He's like he's paragliding into New York City.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
He's going to retake Trump Tower.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh man, oh god, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, probably it probably won't be that fun or cool,
but we can imagine.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It definitely won't be that fun or cool, but we
can do something. Garrison, you got any pluggables to plug
before we roll out here?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Oh, just just my regular chronicling the brainwad on. It
could happen here if you want to, if you want
to listen about me learning way too much about Trump pornography.
That episode came out earlier in the month of June
or Trump Rule thirty four, and there's probably all kinds
of nonsense come out since then, based on you know,
(46:17):
the election and the debates and all that all that
fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, yeah, so check that out. Check out Garrison showing
his co workers pornography. Unless you will not work, unless
you work for iHeartRadio hides.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
It was completely sense.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
They tried, they tried, they tried to censor anyway. You know, Garrett,
We're done. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool
Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
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