June 8, 2023 • 42 mins
Robert, Katy, and Cody continue to discuss the lawsuit against Elon Musk.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I have started recording. I am actively in progress with
my recording. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast
in which we talk about bad people, and often the
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bad person we talk about happens to be Elon. I. I,
what's a good fun middle name for Elon Balthasar? No,
we do that for Jordan Peyton Peterson. We're talking about
continuing with as Elon Jordan Balthasar Shapiro Peterson Musk Musk
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Elon Crowder. Boy, that's a horrible AI mass here.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's the thing I want to think about. I want
to that out of my brain.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
No, no, no, I want that to be secondhand news.
Wait for that. I guess we're we're not are we still?
We're not doing If you guys listen to the the
the I guess it's a DJ group Fleet Mack Would.
I don't know what you call them, but they they
do like, you know, fucking dance for no no, yeah,
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Fleet mac Would. They do like they they're like a
touring act. They do like shows and ship where it'll
be like an hour or two hours, and they're like
they're all like beats that are made up of like
cut up and mixed up Fleetwood mac songs like it
kind of it fuckings like find yourself here in Wood
and listen to it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Wait, I am not exaggerating, joking hyperbole.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I will be listening to that as soon as we're done.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh you're you're gonna like it a lot. It fucking
it's some of the best stuff. I do it for
writing a lot. It's good to work out, too, good
to do the yard work. Two yeah, good to good
to you know, make love and fun with all that,
all that good stuff, all that good good stuff, you know,
in case you're out macin Yeah. So anyway, uh do
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do looking out my front door at these Elon Musk
at this Elon Musk ship.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So we switched at the c.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah you know what this episode it's all creepy baby,
not a fan Cody, that's fine. How do you feel
out the Eagles?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How do you feel about what.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I think?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think?
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
C CR is fine.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I mean I've never heard of a more fortunate son
than Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh. Oh, there we go. We're in business now, baby,
Hell yeah, there we go. Perfect. So when we left off,
our hero had decided to prevent Twitter from paying its
janitors for work that they had already provided after or
before being fired again, potentially a crime in essence, it
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quickly became clear to Killian who's the person who replaced
the last person whose job it was to pay for
rent and stuff? That Musk's intended method of operation was
to obtain services from vendors without any intention of keeping
the agreements or paying for services requested and received. Killian's
concern that Musk truly intended to apply this approach to
Twitter's rent obligations was confirmed the last time on December ninth,
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twenty twenty two, when Mendozas specifically informed Killian that Musk
had decided Twitter would no longer be paying rent globally.
Globally Yeah, and again, Mendoza is one of these people
from I think the boring company. It's one of those
folks that it's one of the people that he brought
in to manage stuff. Who isn't that guy's girlfriend very
funny living in the office with their infant? AWO, Just like,
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where are they putting? It?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Is the biggest crib like a desk drawer, and there's
on the pullout.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It has to have been right. I spent a lot
of time in and around, like the California medical marijuana industry,
which is a pretty sketchy business, but like the working
standards at Twitter sound a lot worse. Absolute good stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah places at least.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, there was free weed for people. Usually when
somebody got murdered, you didn't know them very well. You know,
a lot of benefits of that over over Twitter. So
uh yeah, Killian was like I it tried to convince
Musk via his lieutenant Mendoza that like they were putting
the company in tremendous jeopardy and that they wouldn't be
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able to renegotiate any of their leases if they defaulted
on rent, which makes sense. Mendoza in response, tells him
that Muska decided Twitter would only pay rent over his
dead body. Hey this next, pert, Cody. I got to
read this to you, guys. Mendoza conveyed that Musk had
made that statement during a four a m. Conversation that day.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I say, have you ever heard somebody actually use that expression?
It's very hack like over my dead body. No, that's
not a thing people actually say.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, he's not a creative man.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, only when people are being like silly, right, Like
if somebody's like joking around, you might say that, but no, yeah,
having a laugh. It's like saying I'm putting my foot
down where it's like, what does that even mean? Like
that that doesn't that's not how you anyway, whatever, Yeah,
I've had I've said that. I've said, like I'm putting
my foot down over like somebody wants to eat at
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Windy's on a road trip and I want Popeyes, you know,
but like, anyway, whatever, elon silly, fundamentally unseerious man. Musk's
instructions to simply ignore Twitter's contractual obligations and forced killing
to breach contracts and destroy relationships he had spent more
than a decade building would have been more than enough
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to render it impossible for Killian or any reasonable employee
to remain employed at Twitter. But that was not the
only issue. Musk was also making clear that his reckless
disregard included disregard for both the law and for the
lives and safety of his colleagues and employees. Here we go.
For example, Davis told Killian that Musk wanted to add
a bathroom next to his office so MUCKs must didn't
have to wakes security team and cross half the floor
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to use the bathroom in the middle of the night.
Killian explained that it would take time to get the
necessary permits, but promised to begin that process right away.
In response, Davis instructed Killian not to bother with obtaining
permits because, to paraphrase, we don't do that. We don't
have to follow those rules.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Shocked, Killian reminded Davis that if they did not get
a permit, no licensed plumber would perform the work for
fear of jeopardizing their license. Davis responded by instructing Killian
to hire an unlicensed plumber instead, just go find it
a legal plumber for Elon Musk's trime on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Man who fucking cares?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Also, what an un serious, silly coward of a man
who like I can't go to the bathroom in my
own company offices at night without waking up a security team,
Like I won't cross the floor to go take a
shit without armed minu at my back. Like I'm sorry, Elon,
You're not in that much danger at the fucking Twitter offices.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Oh wait, it was because he didn't like wait, I
thought it was, like, well.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
The excuse was that he doesn't want to wake up
his security team anyway.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Well, so I'm I guess I'm confused about which stupid
thing he's doing. So, like, is it he doesn't want
to wake them up because like, oh, they're like sleeping
on my floor because I'm a maniac and like I
need them there.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, that's where is it?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Like, well, I don't want to go down the hall
because if I go down the hall, I have to
wake them up so that they follow me because they're
my security he.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Might yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's saying that he doesn't
want to have to get them up to to follow
him across the floor to the bathroom. You don't, You're
not just go to the bathroom, man, You're fine, Like
they're tweets, they're not getting.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
If you don't have that king down the hall, those
are technically assassination coordinates, right right, Well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you can. You can os in your way to
fucking launching a drone at him. Very funny too that
he's like it's dangerous to have a bathroom put in
a place without you know, going through the process to
make sure it's safe to put a bathroom there. Like
there's a bunch of infrastructure a bathroom needs that you
can't everywhere, And the answer is like, well, put hire
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in a legal plumber for the boss's back.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Fundamental disconnection from reality or even an understanding of basic
construction or how things work.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, and just this idea that like I don't need
to abide by the rules. Well, it's like in this case,
you loan the rules. You're there because like not every
space can.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
It's not like some like oh random like red tape.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh we do, Yeah, it's yeah. Maybe maybe like the
floor underneath that bathroom isn't rated to or maybe you'd
have to like cut you know, one of those beams
that you're not right fit.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
And important to follow that kind of stuff in like
an office building.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But yes, look I know, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, I know a lot of people who have done
their own electrician work and projects and zero percent of
them should have done that. But very few of those
people would have brought in an unlicensed plumber to put
a bathroom in some random part of a house because
it's just a different risk matrix, you know, it's it's
it's not smart when you're talking about especially like it's
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one thing if it's like a fucking trailer, like that's
a single level, like when you're like, I don't know
ten floors up or whatever. Just the risks compound.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Right like a house, like obviously, like it's your house.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Like if you've got to do it, it might be
a disaster, but like it's a it's a multi level building.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Man, You're gonna other people's life are affected by your Well, those.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Don't matter now.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
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stuff keeps you, keeps you safe, you know, keeps you healthy.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It makes you the good advice.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, Sophie said, I shouldn't start a side business teaching
people how to do electricity, but.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I just don't think it's a good Yes, yeah, you
are pretty busy, well, I think it's it's the great
use of my time because it sounds people need to
be liberal.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It sounds like it all checks out, So good job.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
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Speaker 4 (11:06):
Something that makes you happy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I Sophie, I love convincing people to electrocute themselves. That's
that's easily like my my my passion.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I mean anyway, I mean to do things safely, safely, yes, health,
health and safety.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So now thoroughly bewildered, killy An attempted to explain that
the use of unlicensed trades people was a condition of
their lease and that failure to abide by it would
put them in breach of that lease. Davis responded that
management did not care about any of this, that they
weren't interested in ensuring the work was performed in accordance
with the standards required by the leafs, by the City
of San Francisco, by the State of Calicifornia, or any
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other authority. They just wanted it done. It got worse.
Musk announced via the transition team that he was going
to be installing hotel rooms at twitter HQ. Killian initially
was initially told that the hotel rooms soon renamed to
sleep rooms to avoid triggering the suspicions of the city
inspectors were just being installed to give exhausted and overworked
employees at place to nap. Though the changes had initially
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been simple, if an orthodox removing a conference table and
installing a bed, Davis instructed Killian to begin planning for
and implementing the addition of features like on suite bathrooms
in addition to other changes to the physical plant. Concerned
about how city inspectors would react to Twitter's plans, Killian
emailed the transition team to note that the changes they
had made thus far were limited to just furniture and
therefore were code compliant, but that Twitter's future planned changes
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would require permits and more complicated code compliance. In response,
Hollander visited him in person and that's the Steve's girlfriend
and emphatically instructed him to never put anything about the
project in writing. Again, that sounds yes.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sorry, this all sounds very expensive.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, could you not write about any of the thing. Well,
it's also like they're saying, we want to install a
bunch of illegal hotel rooms. Don't put in any and
he like writes back, why this is not legal, and
they're like, don't put stuff about this in writing, and
then Hollander appeared surprised and distressed that Kellyan did not
inherently understand that this was not a project for which
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Musk and the Transition team wanted a written record, and
she was particularly angry that he had sent an email
about it, which is it's yeah, it's that people just don't.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Understand this whole situation. He sounds like a real bad
moon rising. I had to throw one in here. If
we're still doing it, that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Was that was good. I mean, I guess we are
because because you just.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
You just did it or I'm sorry, Yeah, is that
that's not if.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
There's a one that there's not that there just aren't
that many that we all know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, I I I I agree.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
He wants save money. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's what I'm trying to by doing all the projects
so people don't have to say it, right, But I'm
just saying, like this whole thing was about saving money
and firing people and all these hoops, just the times,
there's just a massive amount of wasted money getting thrown
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at these projects, at these ideas theory.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it does seem like a huge
a huge waste of money, or at least you know.
I heard that through the grape vine. There we go.
How you doing there, Cody, I'm happy with this, hugging
the direction that this series does.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I guess I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Okay, there we go. That's definitely a credent song.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm on board.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's a lot of It's a lot easier to do
this if you just make up. When the city inspectors
came to inspect the hotel rooms, they expressed surprise and
relief to Chillian, saying this is just furniture. Weeks afected
more drastic changes as instructed by the transition team. Killeen
did not tell the inspectors of the future plans to
expand the changes to the sleeping rooms, but he realized
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with growing unease that his silence was effectively a lie
of a mission, and one that would be undeniable and
obvious once the planned changes had been completed in the
near future. Killeen began to understand that his loyalty to
Twitter and his desire to protect the company he loved
from musk in the transition team was going to be
increasingly challenged by his employer's expectation that he would lie,
to fraud and even break the law. In Musk's direction,
Killeen was soon instructed to circumvent the landlord's lighting control system,
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which was most insensitive in compliance with California's Title twenty
four Energy Code, because the lights were bothering people living
in the hotel rooms. When there's small movements at night
would trigger the lights. So he submitted a request to
this for the landlord, and the landlord said no because
he's this is a requirement because it's not a living area,
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it's an office. Yeah. When the landlord denied Twitter's request,
Killeen was instructed to disconnect the lighting himself, which was
not safe, in which he was not qualified to do so.
Musk did ask him to do electrical work without any
sort of training or knowledge. That, yeah, that's the good stuff. Yeah,
living live in the cool zone life. Look, Killian, you know,
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hit us up. I'll give you a half price copy
of my guide to Home electrical Work. You know, teaches
you how to uh, how to put a double tap
in your own breaker, so you can run an arc
welder in your basement or your living room or your bedroom.
Why not weld in your bedroom? There's no reason in
your shower. You No, mattresses can't catch on fire. Yeah,
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a shower if you've never welded it, Ah, God, shower welding,
shower beer and a shower welder. That's a good afternoon.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
A water bed in every office grade wire.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And a welder next to every water bed.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
The Midnight Special. Okay, go ahead, coachya.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
No, Yeah, that's that is they are asking him to
do the midnight specially.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
They are ask him to the Midnight Special. I find
this obviously it's very funny. But so he's cutting all
these corners and do it like you just like all
the fraud and the lying and the bucking regulation for
like you know, legitimate safety like concerns and stuff like that.
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He also owns like a car company and like builds
rockets and stuff. And it feels like maybe this is
an indication that that kind of approach and culture might
be a part of these other companies where things and
like safety are even more of a.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Concern m and have been a problem.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
You're having a problem, and maybe they're hiding information that
they're doing this at these other companies too.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, you would expect this to cause like a serious
problem for his other companies like this kind of attitude
towards safety that's been really demonstrated at Twitter. You'd expect
this to have caused him a problem like someday, but
someday never comes seems to it's another.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
God.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Mmm mmm yeah, that's the good stuff. That's the good stuff.
M okay, okay, So yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Killian no no no, no, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So Achillian objects to doing electrical work that he does
not know how to do, and this Steve's girlfriend berates
him for refusing to do the work himself. She was
not satisfied until he brought her in and had her
look into the drop ceiling and see what the electrical
system looked like, to understand that he could not safely
do the work himself, and to be like, look at this,
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what do you what do you expect me to do?
I'm like a building manager. I'm not supposed to be
doing this.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, just a guy.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Like yeah, he's just a dude. He's like, I don't
know how to do Look, this is dangerous. If I
start messing around here, we're all gonna be on the graveyard.
That's another it's another creat man.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
As long as I could see the light.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's another one.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
What a good bit. I just am watching the light
die in Cody's eyes every time we do this. Another song,
It's fine Caught between a rock and a hard place.
That's not a credent song. That's part of the actual lawsuits.
Killian hired an electric it does it could be a
creden song, Caught between a rock and a hard place.
Killy and hired an electrician to disconnect these rooms independently,
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putting Twitter in a violation of both the building code
and their lease. It got worse. They are writing this
with a little bit of like, you know, yeah, yeah,
if they didn't do a lot more.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Tweep in a while, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You're right, you're right. They have been avoiding that lately.
Maybe they got a copy editor for like the last
quarter of this. Yeah, that's really where you'll want the
extra polish bother people at the beginning, and then slowly like,
oh wait, I don't hate this anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah. That's how you draw in readers by irritating them.
That's that's every writer's trick. That's why the stand. The
stand just opens with Stephen King talking about his taxes
for nineteen sixty eight. Really laying out his deductions. Then
they get into that plague. You know, once he's once,
he's got you. Okay, this actually, this next part's pretty
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fucking egregious. Killian was instructed to install space heaters and
the hotel rooms, and further violation of Twitter's lease. Killeen
was also instructed to place locks on the hotel room doors,
a request that thus betrayed the lie that they were
intended to be temporary rest spaces for exhausted tweaks. Yeah,
California code required locks that automatically disengage when the building's
fire suppression systems are triggered. Killian was repeatedly told that
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compliant locks were too expensive and instructed to immediately install
cheaper locks. That we're not a compliant with life safety
and negress code. So the law was like, if you
have a lock on a door in an office building,
it has to auto disengage if the fire suppression system.
Yeah right, Otherwise you are trapping people in a room
when there's a lock.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
That's a problem.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to do
that because.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
That's this man.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
He has the tunnel boring company and the car company
and they're making these tunnels, and it's just like this
theme of being stuck in a fire is seems to
permeate through all of his endeavors, and I think it's alarming.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it does seem like like they the government,
you know, something should happen here otherwise, otherwise all of
these Twitter employees are going to go up like an effigy.
It's another credence, a creed.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That one figures. It's all a real run.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Through the jungle.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's a real run through the jungle, that's right, Katie.
So yeah, Killian is like, I we here's the locks
that will not burn our employees alive, and musks people
are like, now it's too expensive to have locks that
don't endanger their lives. Go with the cheap ones that
endanger their lives. Killian protested that no license trades people
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would perform work that violated the building code. Killian protested
that installing these locks would put lives at risk that
in case of an earthquake or fire, which was made
dramatically more likely by the non compliant electrical work in
the presence of the space heaters he've been instructed to
stall install these locks would remain locked blocking first responders
for being able to access the rooms and the tweets
within God damn it. Nobody cared? Is the next line?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Nobody care? Nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I We've having lots of laughs with our bits this episode.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Got it. Good job, you're back back on the board.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Back on the board much.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah he's a monster?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah s gross?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
How do you even sleep?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He really not worried.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I'm the kind of person couch by afraid wire like, yeah,
by afraid wire again as well.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
But you know what you were, you were you were
talking about how much you hate this.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Guy, but you know what abides by all state and
local fire codes. The sponsors of our podcast. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So uh, between the demands that he effectively participated in
theft and front and instructions to take actions and violations
of California law that would put his colleagues lives at risk,
thank god they don't put tweets there, he had to
walk away from the job. So Killian quits resigns December tenth,
twenty twenty two. And that brings us to Part F
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allegations relating to piercing the corporate veil. All right, they're
getting a little bit showy with the language here, and
I just want to acknowledge that.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
But it's fine. It does make it fine.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It makes it easier for us podcasters. So I am
grateful there is such a unity of interest in ownership
between Twitter and Musk that Twitter's separate corporate status no
longer exists. That's fair. Musk, through ex Holdings One, now
owns more than fifty percent of Twitter. He dominates Twitter's
decision making and operations. For instance, Musk changes Twitter's policy
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by conducting polls from his Twitter account. They're talking about
how he brought back a bunch of Nazis, including Paul
fucking Neelan, who threatens threns of mind with murders. That's
good stuff. Yeah, he just kind of got back on
So we're happy with that. DA On Information and Belief,
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Musk has co mingled his other assets with Twitters, bringing
engineers and executives from his other companies such as Tesla
and SpaceX and the boring company to provide services for Twitter.
On Information and Belief, those engineers and executives have not
been separately hired, retained, or paid by Twitter for any
services they have provided. A Musk at Twitter. Moreover, Musk
has repeatedly asserted that Twitter is on the edge of
insolvency and may declare bankruptcy on information and belief, any
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such bankruptcy would be the result of the debt Twitter
incurred as part of financing Musk's purchase of Twitter. In
the first entrance instance, on information and belief, Twitter is
under capitalized, specifically as a result of Musk's purchase of
the corporation. Yeah so uh da. As such, applying to
California law, plaintiffs are entitled to an order holding Musk
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personally liable for any amounts of ah. So, that's what
they're building towards here, is they think they want to
personally like hold must himself liable for the money that
he didn't pay these people, which is fun. I doubt somehow,
I doubt I'll ever have to pay any money to anyone. Yeah,
I wanted to just get away with not doing that
except for paying his lawyers.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Presumably I wasn't born on the bayou or I know
this Clare story plays out.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
There we go, there, we go.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Down on the corner, down to the corner around the
band should.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Down on the corner, down on the corner out in the.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Street is a different song I was doing. I was
doing it.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
One around the Bend is another one. Yeah, okay, anyway,
knocking him out, well yeah, yeah, okay. So let's see here,
plaintiffs are entitled to an award of damages in an
amount to be calculated at trial, but reasonably believed to
exceed one million dollars uh press plus pre and post
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judgment interest costs, attorney's fees and penalties is authorized by
the state, which is honestly like as much of a
big deal as they're making here.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Because a whole lot of money for you did you
say one million dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, one million. I mean, it's just kind of like
all they can really ask for is the severance they
were owed and the you know, there's some amount of
compensatory damages, but it's not going to be a huge amount.
My guess, just based on how much like how florid
a lot of this lawsuit is is that they were
they are primarily hoping to hurt him. Yeah, it's a
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pr thing by putting this stuff out here.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Yeah yeah, and like yeah, if he does, you know,
a million dollars is like I guess it's not nothing
to him.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Because he needs that money. Is to lose a lot
of money.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah at this point maybe, yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Sort of a symbolic thing and then yet to sort
of ding him in the public eye mostly.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So this next bit is they're talking about violations of
the calif the federal in the California Warren Act. Yeah,
that this means that Twitter is required to give plaintiffs
sixty days advance written notice of their terminations. And yeah,
the obviously they're alleging that Twitter did not abide by
the Warn Act. They're also required to provide plaintiffs with
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full benefits during their non working leave, which is like
what they gave people who weren't willing to sign the
things saying they would like work themselves half to death
and go into hardcore insaneo mode. So yeah, Twitter violated
a bunch of California employment law, right, So that's this
next section here. Plaintiff Arnold was employed at Twitter's San Francisco,
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California office. Plaintiff Pilarts worked remotely from her home and
was assigned and reported to twitter San Francisco office as
such for Warn Act purposes. Her single side of employment
is the San Francisco office, and she is entitled with
the protections of the California Warn Act. Another plaintiff was
employed by twitter San Francisco office until COVID and then
air after worked remotely from his home and was assigned
and reported to the San Francisco office. So you've got
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all these employees that should have been covered under the
Warn Act. Twitter did not advise them that they had
been at placed on non working leave during this period. Instead,
they merely cut off access to Twitter's internal systems until
they stopped. They don't tell people they've been laid off.
They just stop giving the money and wait for them
to figure it out themselves, which is what happened to
that like company founder that Twitter had acquired prior to
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Musk taking over, who like stopped getting money. Yeah yeah,
that guy in like Iceland. Yeah yeah, yeah. It was
like a big problem for him because he can't actually
fire that.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Guy with him.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
But then was like, oh and now like everyone's to
why he like tweets at him like we're friends, right.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, God it is. That's so fucked up to just
be like, yeah, we're just gonna stop paying these people,
but we'll have him keep working for a while without
knowing that they don't work here anymore. Cool guy, just
a just good good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so it seems
like a bunch of these are just like people who
were required to be provided with notice before being let
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go and aren't provided with any kind of notice. So
that's cool. Yeah, let's see. This next bit is violations
of the cal Alifornia Labor Code. Apparently the state itself
has not yet given notice that it will or will
not investigate a bunch of the identified violations here. Sure
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would be cool if they did. Kind of seems like
everybody scared of elon and yeah, it would be neat to.
I don't know, see, very basic consequences apply to this
guy bones. Yeah yeah. Twitter violated section two two seven
dot three of the California Label Code by failing to
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provide eligible employees with their accrued vacation pay at termination.
That's great. This goes in with them not like paying
severance and stuff. Though Twitter purported to provide employees with
unlimited time off and some employees actually received unlimited time off,
vacations required manager approval, and many employees were subjected to
manager employsed caps on theoretically unlimited vacation time. Boy, where
(30:54):
if we heard all that before. Some managers instructed their
employees they supervised to limit their vacations to one week
per quarter. Other managers refuse to approve more than four
weeks per year. Other managers instructed in police. Now this
sounds like twittered Maastergi. That is well outside of elon musk,
Like this is the standard, Like that's why companies do
this kind of shit, Like you have unlimited vacation days,
(31:16):
but we have to approve them. So actually, you have
very limited vacation days, but we don't have to pay
you if we shit, can you at any point in time?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Companies?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Good stuff? Good stuff? Yeah, I love that. It's one
of those Like I remember when we got unlimited vacation
days and I was like, this is at our old
employer and being like, oh, that sounds kind of cool.
But also we don't take time off anyway, like everyone
here is a work monster, and it kind of just
seems like you're cutting out the fact that we have
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to be paid for vacation days. If you ever lay
us off, Oh, I guess we all got fucked, and
we did. We did get fucked in that, which was cool.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's a real unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I was gonna say it's a real round tampble.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah another one, huh. Okay, So this last bit is
talking about California family rights interference. So basically, you know,
there's a bunch of rules as to like how you
have to deal with like people who have kids that
are on like your insurance and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
People get like lead families. Yeah, not the people that
work for him. Yeah, really need to hit that home
before getting into this section.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, like he's he's he's spent so much time talking
about how like the biggest threat to the world is
that people aren't having enough kids that like birth rates
are down. Uh it's like, I mean it's a pretty
common like yeah, in August of twenty twenty two, so
right before all this happens, he warns, quote, population collapse
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due to low birth rates is a bigger risk to
civilization than global warming. Yeah, which is definitely not true.
Yeah and definitely silly. But also like, I don't know, elon,
if you believe that, should you not be encouraging people
to be able to afford to have kids? Like take
the time out to raise them.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Right, other than just like have a bunch of kids yourself, right.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, And I also think what Elon cares about is
people having kids. He doesn't care about them raising them
because he doesn't raise his own children. Yeah, also cares
about certain I guess that's consistent.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You know, yes, certain well happen the right people having kids.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Those are not allegations made by the tweeps, Cody, So
we'll have to and yeah, don't don't shovel words into
the tweeps s tweet poles, Cody. Sorry, God, but you
know who you know whose hole isn't full of tweeps?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Everybody's cute, Susie.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Susie Q. Sure, yeah, Susie c'es hole is clear of tweeps.
And so are the holes, all of the holes of
our sponsors. There are many many holes.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Donut we're back.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
We're thinking about donuts, the most erotic of the breakfast foods,
next to cereal.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Okay, fair enough to cereal.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, I was going to say, maybe a crazy a
whole donut hole. I mean, dont depending on what you
anyway builds donut.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It's that's what's so hot about cheerios. It's like a
bunch of holes. So California, we get.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Twitter do the spit for a long time.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
We could, we could. That'll really extend the run time.
Oh yeah, we I get messages every week from people
telling me about one pump one quick cream related.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
That coffee creamer is still in there. I don't know
what to do about it without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
God God willing, God willing. Next. I do miss the
office in the poison room. We had some good times there.
Newer listeners don't even know what the poison room was.
They think it we're joking about the fact that we
used to work in an office that had a room
full of deadly poison. It.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
We did, We did.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
It.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Sure did have a dog on the ceiling. Those were
the days of our lives. Like Sand through the hour Glass.
That was a reference to a soap opera that my
mom watched when I was a small child. Ah boy,
we're really really hitting it out of the park this week.
Look you know after fifty thousand or so. Yeah, man,
I'm I'm low on fuel. Yeah yeah, the old ramble
(36:04):
and man ramble and man, that's one of theirs, right,
probably not someone else anyway. California law bars Twitter from
discriminating on the basis of race, sex, gender, family status, disability, age,
and other grounds. Pilarts is a woman that's one of
the plaintiffs over the age of forty. Arnold is bisexual
and over the age of forty. The actions of Twitter
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took to layoff or fire it's employees were discriminatory. As
discussed above, Twitter manufactured pretextural reasons to terminate employees in
large numbers on information and belief. Twitter's actual decision making
as to whom to include in the mass terminations targeted women,
older employees, minorities, and employees who had taken her scheduled
family leave. Twitter retained employees who were not members of
protected groups, who had lower performance or seniority, or with
(36:47):
less qualifications than Pilarts. Twitter retained employees who were not
members of protected groups, who had lower performance or seniority,
or with less qualifications than Arnold. Twitter's conduct in the
mass terminations was oppressive, fraudulent, and malicious information and belief.
Twitter's offices, directors or managing agents, including defendant Musk, authorized
and ratified this conduct and engaged in such oppressive, fraudulent,
(37:09):
or malicious conduct themselves. The decision of which employees to
include in the mass layoff was made from Twitter's California headquarters.
Pilarts's sex female was a substantial factor in motivating a
Twitter's decision to terminate Pilarts. Pylotch's age over forty was
a substantial factor motivating Twitter's decision to terminate Pilarts. Arnold's
sexual orientation bisexual was it? So? Yeah? I mean, these
(37:30):
are all they're saying substantial factors and why they were terminated.
I don't have trouble believing that given kind of the
quality of people that I think Musk was bringing in here.
I will say I do kind of wonder if if
they might be crediting there being more planning in the layoffs.
But you know, I wouldn't be surprised if this was
the case. I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if
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Musk didn't even put enough thought into this to be
big enough with it too.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, hard to say. So that's that's the lawsuit. That's
what these guys have put together, guys and ladies and
and other folks have put together. And seeps, I don't know, tweeps.
That's this is what the tweeps have said. I hope
they win. I I don't hold out a lot of
faith that must will be made to pay any money,
(38:20):
but I at least hope it causes some properts.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Eventually Twitter will be lying in a tombstone shadow.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Nice, Cody was really good.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That was a really way to bring this home.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, that was you say that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm proud merry of you.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Wow. And I'm going to say that you're a gold
dust one.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, circle.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I just really think like we didn't get enough out
of that one. Good times, good times. Well everyone, that's
kind of a shorter week for us here at behind
the bastards. But what do you what are you gonna do? Huh?
What are you gonna do about that? Gonna fight me?
You don't know where I am?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Again? You listen to it maybe on a slower speed.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, half the speed in here? You know, why don't you.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Guys just be happy that it's that you have a
bunch of songs stuck in your head now and go
listen to some Macwood.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Fleet what was it again?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Fleet Fleet Mackwood? Like I am, yeah, yeah, listen to
some Fleet mac Wood you know, listen to what's coming
up next, which is Cody reading the entirety of the
Book of Mormon with no commentary. Thank you for agreeing
to do that, Katy really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Uh and anyway, that's a that's going to do it
for us behind the bastards Katie and Cody. You got
any plugs before Cody gets into reading his favorite religious test.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
We got a YouTube channel called some More News and
it's also a podcast called some More News that's so
long with her other podcasts called even more News. They're
in the same feed regardless. Just google us and you'll
find the things will.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Be there on the internet places excellent.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
And I gotta say, we do talk about Elon Musk
a lot, so if you like that.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Oh yeah, although we do, we have limited it because
we're like so tired of.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I just met in general. If you want a lot
of what we do, if we go into that.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
History is practices and yeah his mind.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Uh yeah, I found I found a copy of the
of the Book.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Of Mormon on the que for you.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I've got several tiers so that you'd help you. I
prefer Oh good, okay, you keep a look.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Oh you really did find it?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, no, of course, yeah, yeah. I think it's interesting
because it opens with Nephi having been born of goodly parents. Uh.
Therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of
my father, much like Elon learned from his father how
to treat people poorly like a dick. So I don't know.
Is Elon the prophecied one from the Book of Mormon?
(41:04):
Probably not. I don't think there is a prophecied one,
but I don't know much about the Book of Mormon.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Is he a pagan? Baby?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Ah, Cody m that was a good one. That's a
hard Credence song to work into this episode. Proud of
you baby, Yeah, incredible, incredible work. Well, this has been
a special way for fans of Credence and of Fleetwood
Mac and also for fans of fleet Mac would so
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Speaker 2 (41:49):
Let's also linked on our social media and probably in
the subscription. Because I'm good at my job.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Okay, well that's that sounds like it's probably the case too.
Yeah yeah, And you know, until next time. Remember, And
it came to pass that he saw one descending out
of the midst of heaven, and he beheld that his
luster was above that of the sun at noonday.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Boilers spoilers that.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
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I have started recording. I am actively in progress with
my recording. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast
in which we talk about bad people, and often the
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bad person we talk about happens to be Elon. I. I,
what's a good fun middle name for Elon Balthasar? No,
we do that for Jordan Peyton Peterson. We're talking about
continuing with as Elon Jordan Balthasar Shapiro Peterson Musk Musk
(00:53):
Elon Crowder. Boy, that's a horrible AI mass here.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's the thing I want to think about. I want
to that out of my brain.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
No, no, no, I want that to be secondhand news.
Wait for that. I guess we're we're not are we still?
We're not doing If you guys listen to the the
the I guess it's a DJ group Fleet Mack Would.
I don't know what you call them, but they they
do like, you know, fucking dance for no no, yeah,
(01:23):
Fleet mac Would. They do like they they're like a
touring act. They do like shows and ship where it'll
be like an hour or two hours, and they're like
they're all like beats that are made up of like
cut up and mixed up Fleetwood mac songs like it
kind of it fuckings like find yourself here in Wood
and listen to it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Wait, I am not exaggerating, joking hyperbole.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I will be listening to that as soon as we're done.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh you're you're gonna like it a lot. It fucking
it's some of the best stuff. I do it for
writing a lot. It's good to work out, too, good
to do the yard work. Two yeah, good to good
to you know, make love and fun with all that,
all that good stuff, all that good good stuff, you know,
in case you're out macin Yeah. So anyway, uh do
(02:11):
do looking out my front door at these Elon Musk
at this Elon Musk ship.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So we switched at the c.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah you know what this episode it's all creepy baby,
not a fan Cody, that's fine. How do you feel
out the Eagles?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How do you feel about what.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I think?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think?
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
C CR is fine.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I mean I've never heard of a more fortunate son
than Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh. Oh, there we go. We're in business now, baby,
Hell yeah, there we go. Perfect. So when we left off,
our hero had decided to prevent Twitter from paying its
janitors for work that they had already provided after or
before being fired again, potentially a crime in essence, it
(03:09):
quickly became clear to Killian who's the person who replaced
the last person whose job it was to pay for
rent and stuff? That Musk's intended method of operation was
to obtain services from vendors without any intention of keeping
the agreements or paying for services requested and received. Killian's
concern that Musk truly intended to apply this approach to
Twitter's rent obligations was confirmed the last time on December ninth,
(03:31):
twenty twenty two, when Mendozas specifically informed Killian that Musk
had decided Twitter would no longer be paying rent globally.
Globally Yeah, and again, Mendoza is one of these people
from I think the boring company. It's one of those
folks that it's one of the people that he brought
in to manage stuff. Who isn't that guy's girlfriend very
funny living in the office with their infant? AWO, Just like,
(03:56):
where are they putting? It?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Is the biggest crib like a desk drawer, and there's
on the pullout.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It has to have been right. I spent a lot
of time in and around, like the California medical marijuana industry,
which is a pretty sketchy business, but like the working
standards at Twitter sound a lot worse. Absolute good stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah places at least.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, there was free weed for people. Usually when
somebody got murdered, you didn't know them very well. You know,
a lot of benefits of that over over Twitter. So
uh yeah, Killian was like I it tried to convince
Musk via his lieutenant Mendoza that like they were putting
the company in tremendous jeopardy and that they wouldn't be
(04:42):
able to renegotiate any of their leases if they defaulted
on rent, which makes sense. Mendoza in response, tells him
that Muska decided Twitter would only pay rent over his
dead body. Hey this next, pert, Cody. I got to
read this to you, guys. Mendoza conveyed that Musk had
made that statement during a four a m. Conversation that day.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I say, have you ever heard somebody actually use that expression?
It's very hack like over my dead body. No, that's
not a thing people actually say.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, he's not a creative man.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, only when people are being like silly, right, Like
if somebody's like joking around, you might say that, but no, yeah,
having a laugh. It's like saying I'm putting my foot
down where it's like, what does that even mean? Like
that that doesn't that's not how you anyway, whatever, Yeah,
I've had I've said that. I've said, like I'm putting
my foot down over like somebody wants to eat at
(05:42):
Windy's on a road trip and I want Popeyes, you know,
but like, anyway, whatever, elon silly, fundamentally unseerious man. Musk's
instructions to simply ignore Twitter's contractual obligations and forced killing
to breach contracts and destroy relationships he had spent more
than a decade building would have been more than enough
(06:02):
to render it impossible for Killian or any reasonable employee
to remain employed at Twitter. But that was not the
only issue. Musk was also making clear that his reckless
disregard included disregard for both the law and for the
lives and safety of his colleagues and employees. Here we go.
For example, Davis told Killian that Musk wanted to add
a bathroom next to his office so MUCKs must didn't
have to wakes security team and cross half the floor
(06:23):
to use the bathroom in the middle of the night.
Killian explained that it would take time to get the
necessary permits, but promised to begin that process right away.
In response, Davis instructed Killian not to bother with obtaining
permits because, to paraphrase, we don't do that. We don't
have to follow those rules.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Shocked, Killian reminded Davis that if they did not get
a permit, no licensed plumber would perform the work for
fear of jeopardizing their license. Davis responded by instructing Killian
to hire an unlicensed plumber instead, just go find it
a legal plumber for Elon Musk's trime on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Man who fucking cares?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Also, what an un serious, silly coward of a man
who like I can't go to the bathroom in my
own company offices at night without waking up a security team,
Like I won't cross the floor to go take a
shit without armed minu at my back. Like I'm sorry, Elon,
You're not in that much danger at the fucking Twitter offices.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Oh wait, it was because he didn't like wait, I
thought it was, like, well.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
The excuse was that he doesn't want to wake up
his security team anyway.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Well, so I'm I guess I'm confused about which stupid
thing he's doing. So, like, is it he doesn't want
to wake them up because like, oh, they're like sleeping
on my floor because I'm a maniac and like I
need them there.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, that's where is it?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Like, well, I don't want to go down the hall
because if I go down the hall, I have to
wake them up so that they follow me because they're
my security he.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Might yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's saying that he doesn't
want to have to get them up to to follow
him across the floor to the bathroom. You don't, You're
not just go to the bathroom, man, You're fine, Like
they're tweets, they're not getting.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
If you don't have that king down the hall, those
are technically assassination coordinates, right right, Well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you can. You can os in your way to
fucking launching a drone at him. Very funny too that
he's like it's dangerous to have a bathroom put in
a place without you know, going through the process to
make sure it's safe to put a bathroom there. Like
there's a bunch of infrastructure a bathroom needs that you
can't everywhere, And the answer is like, well, put hire
(08:29):
in a legal plumber for the boss's back.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Fundamental disconnection from reality or even an understanding of basic
construction or how things work.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, and just this idea that like I don't need
to abide by the rules. Well, it's like in this case,
you loan the rules. You're there because like not every
space can.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
It's not like some like oh random like red tape.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh we do, Yeah, it's yeah. Maybe maybe like the
floor underneath that bathroom isn't rated to or maybe you'd
have to like cut you know, one of those beams
that you're not right fit.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
And important to follow that kind of stuff in like
an office building.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But yes, look I know, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, I know a lot of people who have done
their own electrician work and projects and zero percent of
them should have done that. But very few of those
people would have brought in an unlicensed plumber to put
a bathroom in some random part of a house because
it's just a different risk matrix, you know, it's it's
it's not smart when you're talking about especially like it's
(09:39):
one thing if it's like a fucking trailer, like that's
a single level, like when you're like, I don't know
ten floors up or whatever. Just the risks compound.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Right like a house, like obviously, like it's your house.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Like if you've got to do it, it might be
a disaster, but like it's a it's a multi level building.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Man, You're gonna other people's life are affected by your Well, those.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Don't matter now.
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Speaker 4 (10:43):
It makes you the good advice.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, Sophie said, I shouldn't start a side business teaching
people how to do electricity, but.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I just don't think it's a good Yes, yeah, you
are pretty busy, well, I think it's it's the great
use of my time because it sounds people need to
be liberal.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It sounds like it all checks out, So good job.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Spend safety four.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Something that makes you happy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I Sophie, I love convincing people to electrocute themselves. That's
that's easily like my my my passion.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I mean anyway, I mean to do things safely, safely, yes, health,
health and safety.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So now thoroughly bewildered, killy An attempted to explain that
the use of unlicensed trades people was a condition of
their lease and that failure to abide by it would
put them in breach of that lease. Davis responded that
management did not care about any of this, that they
weren't interested in ensuring the work was performed in accordance
with the standards required by the leafs, by the City
of San Francisco, by the State of Calicifornia, or any
(11:46):
other authority. They just wanted it done. It got worse.
Musk announced via the transition team that he was going
to be installing hotel rooms at twitter HQ. Killian initially
was initially told that the hotel rooms soon renamed to
sleep rooms to avoid triggering the suspicions of the city
inspectors were just being installed to give exhausted and overworked
employees at place to nap. Though the changes had initially
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been simple, if an orthodox removing a conference table and
installing a bed, Davis instructed Killian to begin planning for
and implementing the addition of features like on suite bathrooms
in addition to other changes to the physical plant. Concerned
about how city inspectors would react to Twitter's plans, Killian
emailed the transition team to note that the changes they
had made thus far were limited to just furniture and
therefore were code compliant, but that Twitter's future planned changes
(12:32):
would require permits and more complicated code compliance. In response,
Hollander visited him in person and that's the Steve's girlfriend
and emphatically instructed him to never put anything about the
project in writing. Again, that sounds yes.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sorry, this all sounds very expensive.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, could you not write about any of the thing. Well,
it's also like they're saying, we want to install a
bunch of illegal hotel rooms. Don't put in any and
he like writes back, why this is not legal, and
they're like, don't put stuff about this in writing, and
then Hollander appeared surprised and distressed that Kellyan did not
inherently understand that this was not a project for which
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Musk and the Transition team wanted a written record, and
she was particularly angry that he had sent an email
about it, which is it's yeah, it's that people just don't.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Understand this whole situation. He sounds like a real bad
moon rising. I had to throw one in here. If
we're still doing it, that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Was that was good. I mean, I guess we are
because because you just.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
You just did it or I'm sorry, Yeah, is that
that's not if.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
There's a one that there's not that there just aren't
that many that we all know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, I I I I agree.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
He wants save money. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's what I'm trying to by doing all the projects
so people don't have to say it, right, But I'm
just saying, like this whole thing was about saving money
and firing people and all these hoops, just the times,
there's just a massive amount of wasted money getting thrown
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at these projects, at these ideas theory.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it does seem like a huge
a huge waste of money, or at least you know.
I heard that through the grape vine. There we go.
How you doing there, Cody, I'm happy with this, hugging
the direction that this series does.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I guess I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Okay, there we go. That's definitely a credent song.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm on board.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's a lot of It's a lot easier to do
this if you just make up. When the city inspectors
came to inspect the hotel rooms, they expressed surprise and
relief to Chillian, saying this is just furniture. Weeks afected
more drastic changes as instructed by the transition team. Killeen
did not tell the inspectors of the future plans to
expand the changes to the sleeping rooms, but he realized
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with growing unease that his silence was effectively a lie
of a mission, and one that would be undeniable and
obvious once the planned changes had been completed in the
near future. Killeen began to understand that his loyalty to
Twitter and his desire to protect the company he loved
from musk in the transition team was going to be
increasingly challenged by his employer's expectation that he would lie,
to fraud and even break the law. In Musk's direction,
Killeen was soon instructed to circumvent the landlord's lighting control system,
(15:32):
which was most insensitive in compliance with California's Title twenty
four Energy Code, because the lights were bothering people living
in the hotel rooms. When there's small movements at night
would trigger the lights. So he submitted a request to
this for the landlord, and the landlord said no because
he's this is a requirement because it's not a living area,
(15:52):
it's an office. Yeah. When the landlord denied Twitter's request,
Killeen was instructed to disconnect the lighting himself, which was
not safe, in which he was not qualified to do so.
Musk did ask him to do electrical work without any
sort of training or knowledge. That, yeah, that's the good stuff. Yeah,
living live in the cool zone life. Look, Killian, you know,
(16:13):
hit us up. I'll give you a half price copy
of my guide to Home electrical Work. You know, teaches
you how to uh, how to put a double tap
in your own breaker, so you can run an arc
welder in your basement or your living room or your bedroom.
Why not weld in your bedroom? There's no reason in
your shower. You No, mattresses can't catch on fire. Yeah,
(16:34):
a shower if you've never welded it, Ah, God, shower welding,
shower beer and a shower welder. That's a good afternoon.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
A water bed in every office grade wire.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And a welder next to every water bed.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
The Midnight Special. Okay, go ahead, coachya.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
No, Yeah, that's that is they are asking him to
do the midnight specially.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
They are ask him to the Midnight Special. I find
this obviously it's very funny. But so he's cutting all
these corners and do it like you just like all
the fraud and the lying and the bucking regulation for
like you know, legitimate safety like concerns and stuff like that.
(17:22):
He also owns like a car company and like builds
rockets and stuff. And it feels like maybe this is
an indication that that kind of approach and culture might
be a part of these other companies where things and
like safety are even more of a.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Concern m and have been a problem.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
You're having a problem, and maybe they're hiding information that
they're doing this at these other companies too.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, you would expect this to cause like a serious
problem for his other companies like this kind of attitude
towards safety that's been really demonstrated at Twitter. You'd expect
this to have caused him a problem like someday, but
someday never comes seems to it's another.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
God.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Mmm mmm yeah, that's the good stuff. That's the good stuff.
M okay, okay, So yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Killian no no no, no, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So Achillian objects to doing electrical work that he does
not know how to do, and this Steve's girlfriend berates
him for refusing to do the work himself. She was
not satisfied until he brought her in and had her
look into the drop ceiling and see what the electrical
system looked like, to understand that he could not safely
do the work himself, and to be like, look at this,
(18:53):
what do you what do you expect me to do?
I'm like a building manager. I'm not supposed to be
doing this.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, just a guy.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Like yeah, he's just a dude. He's like, I don't
know how to do Look, this is dangerous. If I
start messing around here, we're all gonna be on the graveyard.
That's another it's another creat man.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
As long as I could see the light.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's another one.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
What a good bit. I just am watching the light
die in Cody's eyes every time we do this. Another song,
It's fine Caught between a rock and a hard place.
That's not a credent song. That's part of the actual lawsuits.
Killian hired an electric it does it could be a
creden song, Caught between a rock and a hard place.
Killy and hired an electrician to disconnect these rooms independently,
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putting Twitter in a violation of both the building code
and their lease. It got worse. They are writing this
with a little bit of like, you know, yeah, yeah,
if they didn't do a lot more.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Tweep in a while, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You're right, you're right. They have been avoiding that lately.
Maybe they got a copy editor for like the last
quarter of this. Yeah, that's really where you'll want the
extra polish bother people at the beginning, and then slowly like,
oh wait, I don't hate this anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah. That's how you draw in readers by irritating them.
That's that's every writer's trick. That's why the stand. The
stand just opens with Stephen King talking about his taxes
for nineteen sixty eight. Really laying out his deductions. Then
they get into that plague. You know, once he's once,
he's got you. Okay, this actually, this next part's pretty
(20:35):
fucking egregious. Killian was instructed to install space heaters and
the hotel rooms, and further violation of Twitter's lease. Killeen
was also instructed to place locks on the hotel room doors,
a request that thus betrayed the lie that they were
intended to be temporary rest spaces for exhausted tweaks. Yeah,
California code required locks that automatically disengage when the building's
fire suppression systems are triggered. Killian was repeatedly told that
(20:59):
compliant locks were too expensive and instructed to immediately install
cheaper locks. That we're not a compliant with life safety
and negress code. So the law was like, if you
have a lock on a door in an office building,
it has to auto disengage if the fire suppression system.
Yeah right, Otherwise you are trapping people in a room
when there's a lock.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
That's a problem.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to do
that because.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
That's this man.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
He has the tunnel boring company and the car company
and they're making these tunnels, and it's just like this
theme of being stuck in a fire is seems to
permeate through all of his endeavors, and I think it's alarming.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it does seem like like they the government,
you know, something should happen here otherwise, otherwise all of
these Twitter employees are going to go up like an effigy.
It's another credence, a creed.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That one figures. It's all a real run.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Through the jungle.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's a real run through the jungle, that's right, Katie.
So yeah, Killian is like, I we here's the locks
that will not burn our employees alive, and musks people
are like, now it's too expensive to have locks that
don't endanger their lives. Go with the cheap ones that
endanger their lives. Killian protested that no license trades people
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would perform work that violated the building code. Killian protested
that installing these locks would put lives at risk that
in case of an earthquake or fire, which was made
dramatically more likely by the non compliant electrical work in
the presence of the space heaters he've been instructed to
stall install these locks would remain locked blocking first responders
for being able to access the rooms and the tweets
within God damn it. Nobody cared? Is the next line?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Nobody care? Nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I We've having lots of laughs with our bits this episode.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Got it. Good job, you're back back on the board.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Back on the board much.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah he's a monster?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah s gross?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
How do you even sleep?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He really not worried.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I'm the kind of person couch by afraid wire like, yeah,
by afraid wire again as well.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
But you know what you were, you were you were
talking about how much you hate this.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Guy, but you know what abides by all state and
local fire codes. The sponsors of our podcast. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So uh, between the demands that he effectively participated in
theft and front and instructions to take actions and violations
of California law that would put his colleagues lives at risk,
thank god they don't put tweets there, he had to
walk away from the job. So Killian quits resigns December tenth,
twenty twenty two. And that brings us to Part F
(24:15):
allegations relating to piercing the corporate veil. All right, they're
getting a little bit showy with the language here, and
I just want to acknowledge that.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
But it's fine. It does make it fine.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It makes it easier for us podcasters. So I am
grateful there is such a unity of interest in ownership
between Twitter and Musk that Twitter's separate corporate status no
longer exists. That's fair. Musk, through ex Holdings One, now
owns more than fifty percent of Twitter. He dominates Twitter's
decision making and operations. For instance, Musk changes Twitter's policy
(24:50):
by conducting polls from his Twitter account. They're talking about
how he brought back a bunch of Nazis, including Paul
fucking Neelan, who threatens threns of mind with murders. That's
good stuff. Yeah, he just kind of got back on
So we're happy with that. DA On Information and Belief,
(25:10):
Musk has co mingled his other assets with Twitters, bringing
engineers and executives from his other companies such as Tesla
and SpaceX and the boring company to provide services for Twitter.
On Information and Belief, those engineers and executives have not
been separately hired, retained, or paid by Twitter for any
services they have provided. A Musk at Twitter. Moreover, Musk
has repeatedly asserted that Twitter is on the edge of
insolvency and may declare bankruptcy on information and belief, any
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such bankruptcy would be the result of the debt Twitter
incurred as part of financing Musk's purchase of Twitter. In
the first entrance instance, on information and belief, Twitter is
under capitalized, specifically as a result of Musk's purchase of
the corporation. Yeah so uh da. As such, applying to
California law, plaintiffs are entitled to an order holding Musk
(25:53):
personally liable for any amounts of ah. So, that's what
they're building towards here, is they think they want to
personally like hold must himself liable for the money that
he didn't pay these people, which is fun. I doubt somehow,
I doubt I'll ever have to pay any money to anyone. Yeah,
I wanted to just get away with not doing that
except for paying his lawyers.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Presumably I wasn't born on the bayou or I know
this Clare story plays out.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
There we go, there, we go.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Down on the corner, down to the corner around the
band should.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Down on the corner, down on the corner out in the.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Street is a different song I was doing. I was
doing it.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
One around the Bend is another one. Yeah, okay, anyway,
knocking him out, well yeah, yeah, okay. So let's see here,
plaintiffs are entitled to an award of damages in an
amount to be calculated at trial, but reasonably believed to
exceed one million dollars uh press plus pre and post
(26:50):
judgment interest costs, attorney's fees and penalties is authorized by
the state, which is honestly like as much of a
big deal as they're making here.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Because a whole lot of money for you did you
say one million dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, one million. I mean, it's just kind of like
all they can really ask for is the severance they
were owed and the you know, there's some amount of
compensatory damages, but it's not going to be a huge amount.
My guess, just based on how much like how florid
a lot of this lawsuit is is that they were
they are primarily hoping to hurt him. Yeah, it's a
(27:26):
pr thing by putting this stuff out here.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Yeah yeah, and like yeah, if he does, you know,
a million dollars is like I guess it's not nothing
to him.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Because he needs that money. Is to lose a lot
of money.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah at this point maybe, yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Sort of a symbolic thing and then yet to sort
of ding him in the public eye mostly.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So this next bit is they're talking about violations of
the calif the federal in the California Warren Act. Yeah,
that this means that Twitter is required to give plaintiffs
sixty days advance written notice of their terminations. And yeah,
the obviously they're alleging that Twitter did not abide by
the Warn Act. They're also required to provide plaintiffs with
(28:04):
full benefits during their non working leave, which is like
what they gave people who weren't willing to sign the
things saying they would like work themselves half to death
and go into hardcore insaneo mode. So yeah, Twitter violated
a bunch of California employment law, right, So that's this
next section here. Plaintiff Arnold was employed at Twitter's San Francisco,
(28:26):
California office. Plaintiff Pilarts worked remotely from her home and
was assigned and reported to twitter San Francisco office as
such for Warn Act purposes. Her single side of employment
is the San Francisco office, and she is entitled with
the protections of the California Warn Act. Another plaintiff was
employed by twitter San Francisco office until COVID and then
air after worked remotely from his home and was assigned
and reported to the San Francisco office. So you've got
(28:48):
all these employees that should have been covered under the
Warn Act. Twitter did not advise them that they had
been at placed on non working leave during this period. Instead,
they merely cut off access to Twitter's internal systems until
they stopped. They don't tell people they've been laid off.
They just stop giving the money and wait for them
to figure it out themselves, which is what happened to
that like company founder that Twitter had acquired prior to
(29:12):
Musk taking over, who like stopped getting money. Yeah yeah,
that guy in like Iceland. Yeah yeah, yeah. It was
like a big problem for him because he can't actually
fire that.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Guy with him.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
But then was like, oh and now like everyone's to
why he like tweets at him like we're friends, right.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, God it is. That's so fucked up to just
be like, yeah, we're just gonna stop paying these people,
but we'll have him keep working for a while without
knowing that they don't work here anymore. Cool guy, just
a just good good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so it seems
like a bunch of these are just like people who
were required to be provided with notice before being let
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go and aren't provided with any kind of notice. So
that's cool. Yeah, let's see. This next bit is violations
of the cal Alifornia Labor Code. Apparently the state itself
has not yet given notice that it will or will
not investigate a bunch of the identified violations here. Sure
(30:11):
would be cool if they did. Kind of seems like
everybody scared of elon and yeah, it would be neat to.
I don't know, see, very basic consequences apply to this
guy bones. Yeah yeah. Twitter violated section two two seven
dot three of the California Label Code by failing to
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provide eligible employees with their accrued vacation pay at termination.
That's great. This goes in with them not like paying
severance and stuff. Though Twitter purported to provide employees with
unlimited time off and some employees actually received unlimited time off,
vacations required manager approval, and many employees were subjected to
manager employsed caps on theoretically unlimited vacation time. Boy, where
(30:54):
if we heard all that before. Some managers instructed their
employees they supervised to limit their vacations to one week
per quarter. Other managers refuse to approve more than four
weeks per year. Other managers instructed in police. Now this
sounds like twittered Maastergi. That is well outside of elon musk,
Like this is the standard, Like that's why companies do
this kind of shit, Like you have unlimited vacation days,
(31:16):
but we have to approve them. So actually, you have
very limited vacation days, but we don't have to pay
you if we shit, can you at any point in time?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Companies?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Good stuff? Good stuff? Yeah, I love that. It's one
of those Like I remember when we got unlimited vacation
days and I was like, this is at our old
employer and being like, oh, that sounds kind of cool.
But also we don't take time off anyway, like everyone
here is a work monster, and it kind of just
seems like you're cutting out the fact that we have
(31:46):
to be paid for vacation days. If you ever lay
us off, Oh, I guess we all got fucked, and
we did. We did get fucked in that, which was cool.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's a real unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I was gonna say it's a real round tampble.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah another one, huh. Okay, So this last bit is
talking about California family rights interference. So basically, you know,
there's a bunch of rules as to like how you
have to deal with like people who have kids that
are on like your insurance and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
People get like lead families. Yeah, not the people that
work for him. Yeah, really need to hit that home
before getting into this section.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, like he's he's he's spent so much time talking
about how like the biggest threat to the world is
that people aren't having enough kids that like birth rates
are down. Uh it's like, I mean it's a pretty
common like yeah, in August of twenty twenty two, so
right before all this happens, he warns, quote, population collapse
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due to low birth rates is a bigger risk to
civilization than global warming. Yeah, which is definitely not true.
Yeah and definitely silly. But also like, I don't know, elon,
if you believe that, should you not be encouraging people
to be able to afford to have kids? Like take
the time out to raise them.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Right, other than just like have a bunch of kids yourself, right.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, And I also think what Elon cares about is
people having kids. He doesn't care about them raising them
because he doesn't raise his own children. Yeah, also cares
about certain I guess that's consistent.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You know, yes, certain well happen the right people having kids.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Those are not allegations made by the tweeps, Cody, So
we'll have to and yeah, don't don't shovel words into
the tweeps s tweet poles, Cody. Sorry, God, but you
know who you know whose hole isn't full of tweeps?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Everybody's cute, Susie.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Susie Q. Sure, yeah, Susie c'es hole is clear of tweeps.
And so are the holes, all of the holes of
our sponsors. There are many many holes.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Donut we're back.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
We're thinking about donuts, the most erotic of the breakfast foods,
next to cereal.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Okay, fair enough to cereal.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, I was going to say, maybe a crazy a
whole donut hole. I mean, dont depending on what you
anyway builds donut.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It's that's what's so hot about cheerios. It's like a
bunch of holes. So California, we get.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Twitter do the spit for a long time.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
We could, we could. That'll really extend the run time.
Oh yeah, we I get messages every week from people
telling me about one pump one quick cream related.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
That coffee creamer is still in there. I don't know
what to do about it without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
God God willing, God willing. Next. I do miss the
office in the poison room. We had some good times there.
Newer listeners don't even know what the poison room was.
They think it we're joking about the fact that we
used to work in an office that had a room
full of deadly poison. It.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
We did, We did.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
It.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Sure did have a dog on the ceiling. Those were
the days of our lives. Like Sand through the hour Glass.
That was a reference to a soap opera that my
mom watched when I was a small child. Ah boy,
we're really really hitting it out of the park this week.
Look you know after fifty thousand or so. Yeah, man,
I'm I'm low on fuel. Yeah yeah, the old ramble
(36:04):
and man ramble and man, that's one of theirs, right,
probably not someone else anyway. California law bars Twitter from
discriminating on the basis of race, sex, gender, family status, disability, age,
and other grounds. Pilarts is a woman that's one of
the plaintiffs over the age of forty. Arnold is bisexual
and over the age of forty. The actions of Twitter
(36:25):
took to layoff or fire it's employees were discriminatory. As
discussed above, Twitter manufactured pretextural reasons to terminate employees in
large numbers on information and belief. Twitter's actual decision making
as to whom to include in the mass terminations targeted women,
older employees, minorities, and employees who had taken her scheduled
family leave. Twitter retained employees who were not members of
protected groups, who had lower performance or seniority, or with
(36:47):
less qualifications than Pilarts. Twitter retained employees who were not
members of protected groups, who had lower performance or seniority,
or with less qualifications than Arnold. Twitter's conduct in the
mass terminations was oppressive, fraudulent, and malicious information and belief.
Twitter's offices, directors or managing agents, including defendant Musk, authorized
and ratified this conduct and engaged in such oppressive, fraudulent,
(37:09):
or malicious conduct themselves. The decision of which employees to
include in the mass layoff was made from Twitter's California headquarters.
Pilarts's sex female was a substantial factor in motivating a
Twitter's decision to terminate Pilarts. Pylotch's age over forty was
a substantial factor motivating Twitter's decision to terminate Pilarts. Arnold's
sexual orientation bisexual was it? So? Yeah? I mean, these
(37:30):
are all they're saying substantial factors and why they were terminated.
I don't have trouble believing that given kind of the
quality of people that I think Musk was bringing in here.
I will say I do kind of wonder if if
they might be crediting there being more planning in the layoffs.
But you know, I wouldn't be surprised if this was
the case. I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if
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Musk didn't even put enough thought into this to be
big enough with it too.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, hard to say. So that's that's the lawsuit. That's
what these guys have put together, guys and ladies and
and other folks have put together. And seeps, I don't know, tweeps.
That's this is what the tweeps have said. I hope
they win. I I don't hold out a lot of
faith that must will be made to pay any money,
(38:20):
but I at least hope it causes some properts.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Eventually Twitter will be lying in a tombstone shadow.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Nice, Cody was really good.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That was a really way to bring this home.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, that was you say that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm proud merry of you.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Wow. And I'm going to say that you're a gold
dust one.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, circle.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I just really think like we didn't get enough out
of that one. Good times, good times. Well everyone, that's
kind of a shorter week for us here at behind
the bastards. But what do you what are you gonna do? Huh?
What are you gonna do about that? Gonna fight me?
You don't know where I am?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Again? You listen to it maybe on a slower speed.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, half the speed in here? You know, why don't you.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Guys just be happy that it's that you have a
bunch of songs stuck in your head now and go
listen to some Macwood.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Fleet what was it again?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Fleet Fleet Mackwood? Like I am, yeah, yeah, listen to
some Fleet mac Wood you know, listen to what's coming
up next, which is Cody reading the entirety of the
Book of Mormon with no commentary. Thank you for agreeing
to do that, Katy really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Uh and anyway, that's a that's going to do it
for us behind the bastards Katie and Cody. You got
any plugs before Cody gets into reading his favorite religious test.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
We got a YouTube channel called some More News and
it's also a podcast called some More News that's so
long with her other podcasts called even more News. They're
in the same feed regardless. Just google us and you'll
find the things will.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Be there on the internet places excellent.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
And I gotta say, we do talk about Elon Musk
a lot, so if you like that.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Oh yeah, although we do, we have limited it because
we're like so tired of.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I just met in general. If you want a lot
of what we do, if we go into that.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
History is practices and yeah his mind.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Uh yeah, I found I found a copy of the
of the Book.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Of Mormon on the que for you.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I've got several tiers so that you'd help you. I
prefer Oh good, okay, you keep a look.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Oh you really did find it?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, no, of course, yeah, yeah. I think it's interesting
because it opens with Nephi having been born of goodly parents. Uh.
Therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of
my father, much like Elon learned from his father how
to treat people poorly like a dick. So I don't know.
Is Elon the prophecied one from the Book of Mormon?
(41:04):
Probably not. I don't think there is a prophecied one,
but I don't know much about the Book of Mormon.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Is he a pagan? Baby?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Ah, Cody m that was a good one. That's a
hard Credence song to work into this episode. Proud of
you baby, Yeah, incredible, incredible work. Well, this has been
a special way for fans of Credence and of Fleetwood
Mac and also for fans of fleet Mac would so
(41:36):
you are all welcome. Everyone else can go to hell
and die. And if you want ad free versions of
our podcasts, Cooler Zone Media, Apple, you can find it.
Just type those two into Google you'll get you'll get
what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Let's also linked on our social media and probably in
the subscription. Because I'm good at my job.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Okay, well that's that sounds like it's probably the case too.
Yeah yeah, And you know, until next time. Remember, And
it came to pass that he saw one descending out
of the midst of heaven, and he beheld that his
luster was above that of the sun at noonday.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Boilers spoilers that.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
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