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May 30, 2024 54 mins

Kent Hovind befriends a pedophile and, separately, kills a 7 year old through negligence. Also, more dinosaur disinfo.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Speaking of great bits, you know, it's not a great bit,
Molly tax protesters. I was gonna say pedophilia, because, oh,
I'm gonna be honest with you. You can't because we
had just had some hard episodes. This has been a
tough year, and we had some hard episodes specifically dealt
with pedophilia and the German left and I was like,
I'm gonna do Kent Hooven, you know, something like wacky

(01:01):
tax protester, sovereign citizen. It's not Kent's. He's not a pedophile.
Maybe he might be. Actually it's kind of weird. Yeah,
it's it's an open question, Molly, people are asking. But
you know what's not an open question the fact that
the cold Open has done. Ah, we're back. We're warmed

(01:27):
up from the Cold Open. And when we left off
with Kent, he had started preaching a new gospel that
Christians are immune to taxes if they just claim to
be ministers. And anyone can be a minister. Now, this
is not a law work. Partially, this is how the
law works. Right, Churches get away with a lot of
tax bullshit. They shouldn't, right, But there are things you

(01:48):
have to do. You can't just say I'm mature. There's paperwork,
and like they know, they aren't immune to taxes. For example,
church payrolls still have to pay income tax. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
You can't just walk outside and say I'm a church.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm a church. It's not that simple.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Now. In a letter Kent wrote outlining his beliefs for
fans of his fifteen and a half hour lecture series
on taxes, he marks the source of his break with
the federal government as income taxes, which are communists.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
People occasionally ask me what I mean when I say
and seminar part five of my Creation Seminar series that
income tax and social security are voluntary. I only intended
to point out the connection between evolution and communism. Everything
Karl Marks, the father of communism, proposed in his Ten
Planks of the Communist Manifesto eighteen forty eight was deliberately
anti God and anti Bible. Since the graduated income tax

(02:37):
was plank number two, the subject inevitably came up. The
income tax system is one of the main ways to
destroy a country and bring it under communism.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I don't really know how we got here.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'll tell you, Molly. So the idea that there's ten
planks by which communists destroy a society so they can
take over is a common conservative bugbear to the present day.
You can find people talking about the ten planks of
communism all over the place. What they are actually referring
to is Chapter two of the Communist Manifesto, which Kent
did get right. It was written in eighteen forty eight right.
The chapters titled Proletarians and Communists, and Marx does not

(03:10):
lay out ten planks by which communists can take over
a society, but he does describe the ways in which
the revolution of the working class will, in his eyes,
progress to raise the proletariat to the ruling class and
win what he describes as the battle of democracy. Mark
states that he believes that in most advanced countries, a
victorious proletariat will engage in a number of activities like

(03:33):
abolition of property in land and a heavy progressive income tax,
which is number two on a list of activities he
thought would be generally applicable, so number one. This is
different from what Kent's saying. He's not saying this is
how we destroy a society. He's saying that in advanced societies,
when the proletariat wins the battle of democracy, they're going
to do a number of things, and one of those
things is a progressive income tax right to try and

(03:54):
reduce income inequality, disparity in wealth roll.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Marx wants to take your dinoh Land.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes, that's a bit different from what Hovid and these
other guys claim is happening. It's also for people like
to talk about Marx like he was some evil mastermind.
He was like a like a journalist and a theory
nerd who spent a lot of time. Well, I think
these kind of things might happen, Like he wouldn't write
the same things he wrote then today because he would
be looking at a different world, right, Like he was

(04:20):
kind of in their stuff he was wrong about in
terms of predicting the ways in which he thought, you know,
society would progress. It didn't like, obviously it didn't happen
that way, right. Marx would not have been like, oh,
everything I thought was wrong. He'd be like, well, yeah,
you know, you can't predict the future, you know, I
was just laying out what I saw best based on
my understanding of the world at the time. Anyway, I
also don't think he's wrong that if we were to

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ever have the proletariat take charge in the battle of democracy,
we should have a heavy progressive income tax. We should
just have that. In general. It's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Girl. Carl would have said that Kent should pay his taxes.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Caurl would have said Ken should be paying taxes on
the millions of dollars he's making in dinosaur merchandise.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Is still selling the dino merch I'm interested, Oh.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, oh yeah, you can find some good anyway. Hon though,
insists that FDR, who is of course a communist, forced
income tax unconstitutionally upon US, and so as a result,
Hovind resists the temptation to obey tax law and writes,
I am not afraid of the I R S. I
know the truth that have been set free. Oh you

(05:23):
should be giving that's the number one thing you shouldn't say.
And for the record, I'm very scared of the I
R S. I pay my taxes.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
They send you a letter, like if you log into
your account online, they send you a letter in the
mail to be like did you log in online? Was
this you? Look? That's fair enough? But I get the
email ahead of time about like what mail I'm getting?
And so I get this email, but like are sending
am I?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Am?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I going to god?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
What did I do wrong? Are you coming after me?
Did I accidentally like misplace a decimal point and lie
about a deduction?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I was so careful?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah no, And this is like again, this is the
difference between somebody who claims to resist this, like hate
the state, but does so based on like nonsense, and
somebody who hates the state but also understands the reality
of the state, which is like, yeah, I'm going to
try not to go to prison for tax shit. I'm
going to pay my taxes. And do my best to

(06:23):
abide by the law, because that's not a fight I want.
I'll take some fights. I'll pick some fights with the government,
but not every fight because that's stupid, because you.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Can't keep fighting if you're in jail for taxing.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, no, you have to be You have to pick
your battles. It's a big thing government, like I'll focus
on like I don't know, trying to make the police
less heavily armed.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
God, God told me I don't have to do this paperwork.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So yeah, not doing it. So and Kent does again
the thing you're not supposed to do, which he's he
has all these quotes where he's like, if the IRS really,
you know, think, if the IRS actually has the ability
to arrest me, they and come and do it, and
they're about to.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
They will do It's they're like, oh really, oh really, Like.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
What are you gonna do? Stab me guy, or they'll
never hit us from over here.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
But I think a lot of people who are doing
tax drawn don't realize is they don't come after you
year one or year two. They wait. They wait until
they have a.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Very target coming after you for shoplifting, you know exactly.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
They wait till you hit that the felon your life.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, exactly. So for a surprisingly long time, Kent and
his wife were able to sail by on this bullshit
without getting clapped in irons. But eventually the man came
for them, and in two thousand and six, Kent was
charged with fifty eight tax related crimes, including two counts
of willful failure to with old federal income tax from
employee wages and forty five counts of structuring transactions to

(07:49):
evade reporting requirements. He's doing shit like every time he
withdraws money, he'll withdraw ninety five hundred dollars to keep
it under the ten thousand dollars limit that he thinks
the government can't pay attention to the small I don't know, man,
if you if you have a thousand, ninety five hundred
dollars with draws, what that says for the irs is, well,
this guy's trying not to get on our radar, which
means he's breaking some law.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Like the teller that would normally have you fill out
the cash Transaction record form, which is the form you
fill out if you're making a withdrawal or a deposit
of ten thousand dollars or more just because you're putting
it in a ninety five hundred, like she's saying something
to the manager that's getting written down.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And if you know you can do that, I've had
to do like when I went to Syria. I think
I took seven or eight grand out because like it
costs a lot of money to pay fixers and there's
not cash machines over there.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
But if you do it ten times, but I did
it one hundred times, it's not structuring to do it once.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, Yeah, it's that. That's what That's what they're talking
about here. Now with any of these guys, it's always
a little bit of a mystery. How much of this
bullshit is them like believing the shit and how much
are they just trying to get away with not paying
taxes and they have to hold the lie because what
else are they going to do? Colum A low Collum,
I think so generally, whatever the case, Kent does the

(09:04):
dumbest thing possible when he gets arraigned eventually for this
in two thousand and six and he tells a US magistrate,
I still don't understand what I'm being charged for and
who is charging me? Now? One thing I'll say about
our federal government is that, like, I don't think any
that's ever a valid complaint because even if the charges
are bullshit, it's always very clear who is charging you

(09:26):
and what the charges are. You get that on a
piece of paper. Right. He had an attorney at this
point who would explain that to him. This is not
one of the shortcomings in my opinion of the justice system,
and Kent was adequately informed of what he had done wrong.
There had been years of communication with the IRS prior
to this.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's just usually a surprise when you get charged with
fifty eight tax cars.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right right. Shocked. Yeah, Kent's brain, I think, just kind
of shuts down when they read out these charges because
in his personal head canon of the constitution, none of
this should be possible. Right.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
The court case winds on for about a year or
a lot of that year two thousand and six, and
Kent tries to delay it. He files frivolous lawsuits against
the IRS for criminal trespass, which eventually earns him a
charge for impeding an IRS investigation. Later that year, his
dinosaur park gets shut down for refusing to get a
building permit.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I do not contract with the zoning administrator.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't need to. I found in his
article on rational Wiki, which is the best repository of
all of the Kent Hovend lore. They write, quote Hovend
claims that his decision to build without permits from the
county is based on the Bible, questioning, does the Escambia County,
Florida civil government have jurisdiction over a church of the
sovereign God of the universe. Yes, they do. The Labia

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County clon when it comes to making a Bible park.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, who's inspecting this roller coaster? Key?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah. During a hearing, Hovind was marked by the local
county commissioner with the response that scripture also says render
rend of Caesar. What Caesar demand, and right now Caesar
demands a building permit. And that's not a bad response.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
That's so good.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean that is I will say, people talk a lot.
What would Jesus Christ say. I think if he came
back and a guy was like, look, we just need
him to get a permit before he lets children onto rides,
Jesus would be like, well, yeah, okay, that seems reasonable,
especially since again he's going to kill a seven year
old Later on in this episode, don't worry, it's on

(11:31):
his next park. So that same year, he gets charged
by the tax court for failing to pay income tax.
As you can imagine, he doesn't respond well to this,
and once things go to court, it all goes disastrously
for Kent. He is convicted of all of the tax
fraud and held in jail while he awaits sentencing. One
local paper reports that he ran up eight hours of
calls per week during the time he was in jail,

(11:52):
which I think is meant to make him sound like
a crazy person, but that actually sounds reasonable to me.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's like an hour a Day's an hour a day.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I think they're kind of be an unfair to can't here,
that's a print. Seems like a pretty normal amount of
time to want to be on the phone when you're
like the kid's a wife and a lawyer, right right right,
Like I'm not. I don't think that's actually an unreasonable amount.
On the other hand, during sentencing, he threatened the judge
and prosecutor, claiming their case against him was illegal and
he was going to make their lives miserable in revenge,
which again not a great call.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
They love that. Yeah, they love being judges.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Loved that judges. That's every judge's favorite thing is being
personally threatened by a defendant.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Surprised he didn't catch a new charge for that.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, uh and too well, he had a lot going on.
In two thousand and seven, he gets sentenced to ten
years in prison and is sent to a federal prison
camp or it's just called Federal prison camp in Pensacola.
That's a scary name. But this is actually a minimum
security facility at least.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Close to home.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, it's close to his friends and family, like within
kind of our car seral system. He does not get
the harshest kind of thing he could get.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
No, he's in tax jail.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
He's in tax jail. He does serve his time. He
does about nine years, and he definitely did the crime.
But this was not to be the end of the
Kentoven's story, just the beginning, or at least like up
to the middle part. While he was locked up, the
government put leans on a bunch of property he purchased
with his untaxed creationist gains. His wife served two years
and then divorced him. Kent fought the government from prison,

(13:14):
retaining a lawyer named Glenn Stole, And of course Glynn
is as much a lawyer as I am.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
He was actually.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Affiliated with a Christian cult called the Embassy of Heaven. Yeah,
oh yeah, no, Molly, of course, there's there's so many
fun little little cults in the Kins Store.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'm sorry, I'm inside the Consulate. The iris can never
get me.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, that is. That is basically what they're doing, right
is they're like, as the Embassy of Heaven, we can
hand out stuff like driver's licenses and passports and the
real government there of course, based in Oregon. They're the
leader of the Embassy of Heaven. The founder is a
former computer systems analyst who calls himself Paul Revere.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yes, yeah, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's so mad. It's all the good shit right there, baby. Now.
Because Glenn doesn't really know how the law works, none
of his motions do anything, nor does an attempt in
twenty thirteen by Kent to use what's called a biven's
action to file a civil rights suit against the staff
at his minimum security prison. Kent believed that this would
launch a chain of dominoes that would see his conviction

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overturned and himself freed. But a federal judge rejected his
claims and threatened to hold him in contempt of court
for continuing to file false bullshit. In twenty fourteen, the
year before he was set to be freed, Hovind was
indicted by a grand jury on two counts of mail
fraud and conspiracy to commit mail fraud. In the Pensilcoli
is doing.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
A mail fraud from prison?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think because of mail fraud. Yeah,
it's a terrible.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Idea, but it's very funny.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
This doesn't again, is nothing many crimes and he you know,
nine years is not a slap on the wrist. That's
a serious sentence. But given the he should have done
more time, given the number of crimes, Like anyone who
is not a right wing Christian is doing twenty years
for all this shit.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Because that's a lot of money laundering.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, it's a lot of crime. In an article for
the Pensacola News Journal, Kevin Robinson wrote, quote, according to
an October twenty first federal indictment filed against Hovend and
Paul John Hanson, a Nebraska man known for his vigorous
opposition of government tax and property laws, the duo has
been charged with mail fraud and criminal contempt for interfering
with the sale of Pensacola properties. Hovend was forced to

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forfeit as a result of the two thousand and six case.
The indictment says that in twenty eleven, Hanson filed leans
on nine of Hoven's forfeited properties on North Palafox Street,
Cummings Road, and Onlyander Drive. In twenty twelve, the government
was granted an injunction ordering that neither Hoven nor any
agent acting on his behalf file or a tipt to
file any leans notices, financing titles and claims of whatever
nature to cloud the title of the properties. The following year,

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both Hovend and Hansen reportedly mailed additional documents disputing the
ownership of the property. So basically, he has to forfeit
a bunch of properties because of the tax fraud, and
so he starts putting leans on the properties to stop
the government from being able to do anything with them,
which is like fraud. No, it does not work.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
And the court less who that injunction was just the
court saying like fucking knock it off.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, just stop this shit.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Just knock it off. And he couldn't knock it off.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
He could knock it off, and they still don't really
punish him further for this. Ultimately, Kent squeaks through this
without additional sentencing, and he is a free man by
twenty fifteen. I think he spends like a year basically
doing a parole sort of situation, so he's like fully
off the hook in twenty sixteen. His first act after
he gets out of prison is to create a YouTube channel. Obviously,
of course, get back to video, baby, pivot right back

(16:27):
to video. It has like two hundred thousand followers at
its peak. It's since been removed, and he is on
Rumble now.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I'm sure you can't see that one.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Rumbles the right place for him. He is not as
popular on Rumble.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Is he on bandt video?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I don't think he's on Bandot video, but I didn't
really look. Kent's arguments by this point had evolved into
what he humbly calls the Hoven theory, which argues that
dinosaurs and humans live together. At one point during this
Edenic period, even carnivorous dinosaurs were vegetarians, a trait they
lost once and Eve fell from grace. Hovid has taken
some flak from flat earths who agree with aspects of

(17:06):
his theory but are angry that he is not a
flat earther. For his part, his theory includes the idea
that God kept up a sort of vapor barrier to
protect the Earth until Adam and Eve were forced out
of paradise. When this happened, ice meteors hit the Earth
and shattered fragments from one meteor caused impact craters on
the Moon. Right now, that seems like a weird thing
to need to explain. Kent needs this sweaty explanation because

(17:28):
one of the ways that we actually know the universe
as old as fuck is that we can look at
something like the Moon and see all of these different
impacts over time, right, and you can kind of tell
from that. It's part of how you can tell one
of the things you can use to sort of tell
how long it's been sitting up there, right, because you
can see how often it gets impact and be like, well,
it's it's clearly been up there getting hit by shit
for a long ass time. Right. So Kent needs a

(17:48):
way to explain how all of those impact craters happened
at the same time, like one hundred years ago, right,
it's a little more than that.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I just feel like he's going to a lot of trouble.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, you have to, because it's non sense, right, It's
very easy to see that, like, well, yeah, the moon's
been up there a long time. There's just shit flying
through space.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Of course, it's yeah, dinosaurs didn't have sharp teeth until
eve ate the apple. Then they got to get sharp teeth.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, but that's probably probably those meteors again, they carved
off little chunks of the teeth, sharpened them up. Absolutely, Yeah,
that's what meteors do. Now. I haven't wasted a lot
of time in these episodes arguing logic with Kent's nonsense,
because I see little point. But this is a perfect example.
You don't really need to go point by point there.
You can find hundreds. You could spend a whole week

(18:33):
reading nothing but people breaking down every argument this man
has ever made, and a lot of them are actual scientists.
But that's not really necessary, right, we know this is nonsense.
I think this hit some of this nonsense. The shit
about the vapor barrier is good evidence of why he's
not super popular even with creationists. Kent has actually spent
most of the last twenty years arguing with more mainstream

(18:54):
creationist thinkers like Carl Wiland. And this seems to be
due to the fact that a lot of the arguments
Kent makes are easy to debunk. Right, these guys are
all creationists, but there are creationists like Wiland. For a
long time would be like Hovid is fraudulent because he's
a bad creationist. He's doing a bad job of making
these arguments and it makes us look stupid.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Why didn't he read some books in prison?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think he probably wrote some books in prison. I
don't think he really reads one. Australian ministry split with
their US cousins over a debate on Hovind, and ken
Ham supported Hovind in that debate. By the way, he's
the guy with a good fake Bible dinosaur park. Kent's
new videos focused on the same stuff as his old
mail order videos and lectures, arguing about evolution and evangelizing

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to the kind of people who find that compelling. He
also continued throwing out challenges for debates to famous scientists
and scientific writers like Dawkins and Stephen J. Gould. No
one credible takes him up on this, but he's made
a public offer of a quarter of a million dollars
to anyone who could give empirical evidence for evolution. As
I noted last episode, his definition of evolution makes any
kind of good faith response to this impossible. He also

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notes that a handle of judges who he has never
named or specified, would be the ones to decide if
a proof met his requirements. It has become clear over
the years that the only judge in this case is Kent.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think the only judge is God.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Robert, Yeah, that's that's Mark, you know, God, Molly, and
the sponsors of our podcast, who might as well be
God to us, you know, sitting here, you know, looking
down on their creation, up at their creation, their creation
being this podcast. So thank you, sponsors. We worship you.

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We're back. So despite the fact that Kent's arguments are
nonsense and all pretty bad faith, he does well enough
to earn some serious fans. In twenty fifteen, one of
them donates one hundred and forty acres of land to him.
And by the way, folks, if anyone wants to donate
one hundred and forty acres to the Behind the Bastards podcast,
I don't know what we'll do, but we'll probably we'll

(20:52):
get rated by somebody. I promise you that you know,
send it on over and I'll get to work. I'll
get to work, make cooking up something that'll be an
entertainer news story. You're gonna get a good, like three
part Daily Beast article out of what happens.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Make your own allergy medicine.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
That's right. Maybe secede from the government to make our
own pseudo fed an independent, pseudo fed based republic. Yes,
this is the answer.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Model first engineer, pseudo fed from meth that you bought
from a biker to get back into.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Great idea Molly from So this land that gets donated
to him is about an hour and a half north
of his old home in Florida. It's in Conica County, Alabama.
I'm gonna again fuck up again and say Arkansas several
times later in the episode Conica County, Alabama, sorry again,
gas station drugs and I'm probably pronouncing that wrong, but

(21:51):
I don't like Arkansas very much. Hoven created a new
five oh one C three to hold the property and
named it Creation Science Evangelism Ministries, an art colon Kent
and al dot Com Alabama dot Com. Not long after
he took possession of the property that says this quote.
On a driving tour of the property, he explained that
it used to be a gravel pit where sand, gravel
and clay were mined. Because of that, huge sand dunes

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occupy much of the middle of the property. It's a
popular place for four wheeling. Part of the property is
wooded and crisscrossed with dirt trails. The main pond has
a redneck water slide made from corrugated plastic tubing and
a zip line from a sand dune on the shore
to a light post stuck on a tiny island in
the middle of the pond. At any one time, Hoven says,
there are about twenty five people living and working at
Dinosaur Adventure Land. We've probably had twelve hundred people volunteer

(22:37):
to come help us build things since they first started
work on the park in twenty sixteen. He said, people
just call, they say they love us.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Now, that's the hallmark of a great nonprofit is basically slavery.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's why God created the five oh one c. Three
is so that you can have slaves.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
That's not legal. You do still have to pay people.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, Kent what he doing. Hes verges on a cult, right.
I think it's actually a little more irresponsible because he
lacks the kind of centralized control that cult leaders can
sometimes use to mitigate the worst aspects of having a cult.
He's like a cult leader who's too lazy to take
full responsibility.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
He's the clockmaker cult leader.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Ol Ron Hubbard would never Yeah, so Kent basically welcomed
in anyone who dropped in for a lecture in a
view of his Slapdash Dinosaur Museum. If they had like
a trailer, he was like, you can live here, right,
And he used them as free labor to expand his park,
which is usually just called DL. And this led him
to invite in a man named Chris Jones. And this

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is where the pedophile comes into the story. Molly Jones
had an ugly record. No oh, this is the fascinating
story about whether or not he knew Mollie Jones had
an ugly record by the time he started hanging out
around DL during the Trump years. In two thousand and one,
he'd been working at a church watching a couple of
young boys when he got in trouble hitting a seven

(23:59):
year old who naked repeatedly on the butt He was
convicted of battery for this. In two thousand and four,
he started hanging out with a trio of children ages nine, eleven,
and twelve. One night, he decided to play strip poker
with them. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a quote from
a court decision on the matter. Defendant produced a deck
of cards and explained the game to the boys. He

(24:21):
dealt the cards, told the boys who won to lodged
steached hand, and directed the losers to take off some clothes.
The boys did as instructed. Alexon remembered he and Anthony
M stripped down to their underwear. Anthony M remembered only
himself getting naked. Eg remembered the other two boys stripped
him naked and took off their own shirts. There's a
lot more there. It's a lot worse. I'm not going
to read it all. You get the picture, right, Jones, honestly, just.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Not fair, Like, of course you're going to beat the children.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
In yeah, yeah, you have more like there's a lot
of reasons why it's bad. Jones was convicted of three
charges of lude acts on children, and after this point
he starts hanging out at Dall. Now you might think
maybe old Kent know about his past, right, this guy
shows up. Kent's not doing background checks on these people,
these volunteer cult members, right, of course not. But he's

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not got him. He's not doing that.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
The Lord will handle it.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, that's Kent's attitude. And we know he actually becomes
aware of this because of a guy named Billy Summers.
Billy lives in South Carolina, kind of near where Jones lives,
and he visits dal in twenty seventeen. Kent, unprompted tells him, Oh,
we've got a guy who comes in volunteers here and
he lives near where you live. And he gives the
guy's name, and Billy gets in contact with that guy

(25:33):
and basically Kent unprompted tells him, Also, he's a convicted
child sex offender, right, so he Kent tells Billy that,
but then it's like he didn't know. Yeah, but he's like,
don't worry, the charges are bullshit. They're politically motivated, right,
And then he goes on to argue Jones didn't even
do anything bad. He was just playing strip poker with
several children. Since when is that illegal?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh, so he's not saying it didn't happen he's just
saying it did happen, but it's.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Fine, Summers, Summers recalls, Hoven says to him, Jones stopped
at their underwear, so he did nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's that's really bad.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I deeply hate all these people. They all fucking suck.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, and this guy, this guy's like operating the jump
asar or.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what exactly he's doing, but
he's quote unquote he volunteering. He's volunteering. He has informed Hoven,
and Hovend, unprompted, is like, yeah, he's technically a child
sex offender, but it's bullshit. He just just some strip
poker with the boys, you know, the literal boys, like.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
An actual boys, boys, boys, very very good boys.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Oh no, Summers, is I presume a guy with some
presumable pretty intense religious beliefs. Otherwise why would he be here.
But he was not so cooked that he was willing
to listen to Kent's pedophile apologism and move on. So
he goes at his credit, he goes home. He calls
Kent to talk about Jones, and so he can record
the call and get a recording of being like, yeah,

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I know, this guy's a pedophile. Right. He eventually puts
this up online. It becomes a whole thing in the community,
and The Daily Beast, who reviewed a copy of the call,
describes what happened next. Jones got a job at Bohemian
This and this is him talking to Hovin. Jones got
a job at Bohemian Grove. That's where they make all
their plans for the New World Order, Hoven says on
the recording. He got a job there and videotaped a

(27:22):
bunch of stuff, and they wanted him in prison. That's
why they That's why they arrested him for that bullshit
strip poker charge. It was he was the New World
Order trying to stop him from getting out the truth.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Is not even a good lie.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
That is a that's a genre of guy. There's this
dude who like started out as an anti Iraq war guy,
which is at least a reasonable point and is now
just a like Bishar al Assade never did anything wrong,
YadA YadA, nonsense dude who Scott Ritter, who is a pedophile,
like has been convicted of repeatedly trying to fuck kids,

(27:59):
and like everybody basically like it's bullshit, it's but they're
trying to stop me from getting out the truth. Like
even within that your bullshit ecosystem, there's plenty of people
making those arguments who do not have pedophilia convictions, Like, yeah,
he was supposed to.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Speak at that pro rush that like anti war rally.
That was just a pro Russia rally last year. At
the eleventh hour, they're like, finely won.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Probably shouldn't have a literal pedophile.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
The pedophile will be there.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, Like, man, it's a it's a and that is
you know, I'll give them that, right, Like that's a
that's a low bar. But like kicking the pedophile out
eventually is at least better than Hovend does. I'll give
them that. Summers is not convinced by Hoven's explanation about
Bohemian Grove, and so he makes that YouTube video compelling concerns. Yeah,
you know, you give it. It's nice to know that

(28:44):
they're Even within these weird communities of like Dinosaur adventure
Land volunteers, there's people who are like, this seems wrong.
I should probably spread the word about this.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I believe that a child could write a Trice Era toobs,
but should not be playing strip poker.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Wil Man at least there's a line for you, some
of you people, right. Hovind calls Summers after he puts
this video up and demands the video be removed. Jones
eventually gets into contact directly with Summers, and Jones tells
Summers that like, yeah, it was the New World Order
that got me arrested. My conviction was bullshit. It's always happening,

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he admits. He calls it a technical crime, and this
is how he describes this is the bullshit technicality they
got me on. It was throwing an eleven year old
boy in the pool in his underwear. That's my big
sex crime. Even if I am guilty, Hopefully the blood
of Christ works. At least you're not questioning that the
blood of Christ works. Man, we're all forgiven and cleaned up.

(29:39):
Not a great argument.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Just because God will still let you into heaven doesn't
mean I have to let you into the children's theme park.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right again. I think that's the argument Summer is making.
Summers is making right.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Like, you can be washed clean in the blood of
the Lamb, but you're still on the.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Second you're coming out of my house. Yeah, elementary school
on your list, right. The fewer Summers created around all.
This even reached in the community of Bible weirdos who
had chosen to live at DL. A lot of these
people had brought their kids with them or had partial
visitation rights with their children. Has more common, right, Yeah,
that's about right. And to their credit again, a lot

(30:17):
of them don't feel good about this pedophile having free
access to the property.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
In good for their custody cases, it's.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Bad for a lot of things. In twenty nineteen, said
pedophile visits again, and Hoven complained to his secretary that
people were freaking out about it. A number of folks
did leave, and this segment from that Daily Beast article
makes it very clear why people were unsatisfied with Hoven's
answers about Jones. Asked about Jones, Hoven told the Daily
Beasts that Jones had done nothing wrong, either in his

(30:45):
criminal case or at DL. He's come here to visit twice.
I think never spends the night, Hoven said. But Jones
did spend the night near DL during the November twenty
nineteen visit. Oh, that's right, Hoven recalled, when reminded of
the incident. They did spend one night here. They where
Jones and a young boy who's na Yeah, yeah, eleven
years old.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
He did? He just go lol.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oops yeah lol oops, Like oh yeah, okay, they did.
There was that one time they.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Stayed here one time, and it was.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
What kind of makes this an issue is that there's
this lady shunk who is his like secretary basically, and
she greets this pedophile and this boy on arrival and
Jones is white and the eleven year old boy is black,
and so.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
She's like, not his son.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, they don't look like they're related, you know, not
that it's impossible for them to have been related, but like,
they don't look related. This seems very sketchy.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
And also he probably wouldn't have custody of his own kids.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, there's a lot that seems wrong with this. Hoven's
assistant tries to Okay, well you're staying here, let me
get you two separate bedrooms, right. Hoven intervenes personally to
put them in a cabin on a neighboring property that
DL has access to. The only bed in the cabin
is a queen size mattress. His former assistant didn't claims.

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Hoven specifically wanted Jones in the eleven year old to
share the bed. When confronted on this, Hoven insisted the
child was emotionally unstable and just needed to sleep with
Jones because he was scared. He told the Daily Beast,
Chris is not a pedophile. If that's what you or
anyone else's driving at.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
That's what I'm driving at. Yes I have I'm driving
directly into it. It seems like.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
There's a lot of evidence that he's a pedophile.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like maybe the boy's emotionally disturbed because he's being trafficked
by this pedophile.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And by the way, Dabbies gets in charge with his mom,
who you know, you get the feeling she makes some
mistakes and we'll talk about her in a second, but
she's like, he's not emotionally disturbed, Like now he might
be like yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
But also the secretary, you didn't think that was fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
She makes a statement like I probably should have called
the police, and like, yeah, lady, perhaps you should go.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Girl what I'm not.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
A big fan of calling the police, but if I
see a pedophile with a boy that doesn't belong to him,
you have.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
To do something. Like the thing to do is not
just be like, well, I hope it's fine.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Enjoy the cabin.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah. What you don't do is be like, here's some
fresh towels, have.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
A good time, enjoy your private cabin.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
God damn, you're enabling pedophilia. You're discussing.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, eventually this causes enough of an uproar that there's
a meeting. But with the whole community of weirdos living
on da l and most of them express disbelief and shock.
That can't understand why they're unhappy with him.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Right, your friend is a pedophile. You let him take
a child into a cabin.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, And and Hoved responds to their complaints advanta,
that's Chris. That's Chris's decision and the kid's decision. How
people react to that is their decision. He's got a
right to wrestle with a kid if he wants, and
you've got a right to say, I'm not getting around Chris.
He does not have a right to wrestle with someone
else's kid.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's not a right. You know, that's not a constitution
or the Bible.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't know where you're getting that right from. Wow,
he used to imagine like fucking Thomas Jefferson. And of course,
the right to wrestle other people's children.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, Thomas Jefferson might have felt that way.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Actually, he himself had a thing for teenagers. So yes,
as we'll be talking about in about a week. Oh good, yeah, yeah,
good stuff. If you're wondering where Jones got access to
this kid, it seems to be a case of his
mom is very busy. She didn't know Jones's backstory. She
worked at a boost Mobile and Jones was her manager,
and he had like occasionally taken her kids when she

(34:31):
needed like a babysitter basically, And this kind of evolves
to him volunteering to take one kid to Dinosaur Adventure Land,
and she claims that her son later confessed that Chris
molested him. She does file, she files like a complaint,
but eventually has to drop it. I don't think she
has a lot of resources. I think it's just kind
of a.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I mean, she works at a boost Mobile.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
She works at the Boose Mobile, right, She's I don't
know much about this lady. I'm sure she regrets it.
It sounds like a situation where she really did not
have the wherewithal of the resources to pursue this the
way it ought to have been pursued.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's very sad.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, it's it's a bummer. But you know what's not
a bummer.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Molly, Oh, these products and services.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
These products and services.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
They want molest your kids.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
They sure weren't that that that we make that guarantee
except for the Washington State Highway Patrol. That's not ambing.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
I was going to say, we don't approve all the ads.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
We do not approve all the ads. Look, we don't
know who's gonna be on there.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
We don't approve most of the ads.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
So one of the might molester kids.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's not a We're never going to say one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Either way, but it's not a definitive thing.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Let's let's just get right, let's get away from this.
We're back. Ah. And it's good that we at least
did the ad break there because now we're going to
talk about that time a kid died on Dinosaur Adventure Land.
In March of twenty twenty, a family with five young
children came to visit DA l the prop as we needed.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
That time you give a date, I'm like, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Wait because this is way too recent, this is way
to I was.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Like, literally because the last four years the mask not mapping.
It's a blur. But uh when you when you first
started showing his videos, I was like, all right, this
is this is an older video.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
It was the it's like this is.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Now yeah, this is now yeah, I mean this spoiler.
This guy's like family go. The last thing they do
before COVID is go lose one of their kids ins
or adventure Land. What a what a fucked up year.
So the property features a good sized pond, which Hovid

(36:42):
is quick to note they often use for baptisms. Something
went wrong while they were playing in one of the
little boys, a seven year old started drowning. Several adults
rushed in and they pulled this kid out, but in
the chaos, another seven year old boy goes under. The
child is rushed to the hospital where they are pronounced dead. Now,
in every entailed our article that you will find on
dl Kent makes it clear he does not hold any

(37:04):
insurance on the property and anyone who comes there is
taking their lives into their.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Own hands, right choice.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I will say, this is the kind of tragedy that
could have happened anywhere. Right. I went to a lot
of swimming holes as a kid that are just out
in the middle of nowhere, like shit goes down sometimes
this would This isn't a.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Swimming hole, this is a theme park because it's.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Not really a theme park, like there should be a
lifeguard or there definitely isn't. I don't think that's not valid,
but like it's the kind of thing where like, yeah,
the bastardry. I think the real evil here from Kent
comes after this is negligence. Probably you can make that case. Sure,
it's certainly a tragedy. Here's where it gets really fucked

(37:46):
up on Kent's behalf right. So his secretary claims that
he goes to the hospital with the family who is
in the process of losing their seven year old boy.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Oh, your lawyer would tell you not to do that.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Here, they sure would. But rather than provide focus on
providing comfort to the parents, he sees the experience. Is
it an opportunity to advertise for his dinosaur park quote,
and this is from his secretary.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
The child just dina, yes, because they already know about it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Alter coming back.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I don't think they're No, that's not a customer.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'll just read the quest is walking around the hospital
passing out ministry cards saying come to Dinosaur Adventureland. We'll
give you tours. We're free, everything's free, come see us.
And I'm like, doctor Hovend, you're supposed to be sitting
with the father having sympathy for it.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Hey, guysnosaur park.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I'm here because a kid just died there. But like,
it's pretty cool. It's not. It's free.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
It's free. It's free if you want to.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
You want to lose a child, this is the cheapest way.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I know.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
That's a joy.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's wild. Wow, that's not even good marketing.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, you want to distract attention from your dinosaur park
after you kill a seven year old.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
And also, just like the people at the hospital are
not the target demographic for a theme park. There's no hospital.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
No, but Kent knows there's It's never a wrong time
to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So true in
the Hospital of Jesus Christ includes dinosaurs. They're a load
bearing part of the.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Gospel, higher breathing dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
So, when questioned about this by The Daily Beast, Covid replied, yes,
I probably did that. My business card has the Plan
of Salvation. They're actually gospel tracks, so I do that
everywhere I go. I'm trying to get people saved. I'm
an evangelist.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
He goes on.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
It sounds like me.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds like me. He goes on to say,
the father of the dead boy holds no grudge and
loves our ministry. In fact, he even paid to build
a gazebo on the land to honor his death side.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Wow, why did you make him pay for it?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
So why didn't you build a gazebo?

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Kids, there's like so many I don't know the red
flags this guy, this just oh say, it's so.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, baffling. And this is after he went to prison.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, this is after prison. The new Dinosaur Adventure Land
is much more elaborate than the first one. Kent eventually
acquired an eighty foot tall dinosaur statue, the largest in
the state of Arkansas. So that's okay. Yeah I didn't know. Yeah,
I guess that makes sense, Like I wouldn't expect Arkansas
I have a taller dinosaur statue. Yeah, yeah, you don't

(40:30):
really need no, honest, man needs those call dinosaur than
eighty feet. Attendant succeeded one thousand people per year, though
it is extremely difficult to get a clear idea of
how many people.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Visit this place. Not very many. Actually, yeah, it does
not sound that much.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I feel like I feel I feel Robert. I do
feel like we should show Mollie like a couple of
pictures of what this looks like.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Show me the dinosaur please people, Sophie, Yeah, I have.
It's like none, none people.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, it's more people than should be visiting Dinosaur Action Land. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Well I thought you were to say, like a thousand
a day or like a week.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
However many people visit, you got to take one off
because of the casualty rates.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I've been looking through the Dinosaur Adventure Land. Uh, yelp page.
It's it's it's a it's a fun one. But uh yeah,
let me let me let me show you some photos
so that you because you're like, you're like, it's a
theme park, new.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah. Look at that dinosaur. That's a good one, you know,
surprisingly honestly surprisingly good. T rex head busting out of
a building.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
That What's I think these are?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Like? For how tall you have to be to ride them?
You know, if your kid goes up to this point.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
On the dinosaurs, there's just you know whoa Anyways, that's I.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Think that's a different one was.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Going. That looks way too good for for for dinosaur
adventure then. Anyways, Yeah, just wanted Mollie to have some visuals.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah. Really, it's always good to have visuals. So I
think this park is less of a park and more
of a tax dodge for Kent, who seems to spend
most of his time there entrancing new female volunteers, marrying them,
and then revealing himself to be an abusive prick in
very short order. He has done this at least three
times so far, after his first wife. Sometimes I've heard

(42:25):
allegations that he drains financial assets from them. First, his
second wife, Mary Taco met Tocco, met him in twenty
sixteen after, in her words, raising her five kids on
his videos. So Mary may not have great judgment. She
reached out to Kent at some point and spent six
months communicating with him online. After this time, she traveled

(42:45):
to DL and they got married, which lasted less than
a year. In a Facebook post, she explained that the
split had started when she realized the finances of DL
were not quote above board. Given Kent's past, I assume
this means he's back to committing tax fraud, probably stealing
donor money to fund his lifestyle. When she brought her
concerns to the DL board, which she claims Kent controls,

(43:06):
she was pushed off. Sidney Lincoln, his third wife, claims
that she also met him through his videos, which she
saw while she was teaching preschoolers for what I certainly
hope was some sort of Bible school in twenty sixteen,
when she finished his video series, she moved to DL
in a tent and wound up married a matter of
days afterwards. I think by early twenty twenty, around the

(43:28):
time that Little Boy died, she had started to see
what she described as huge red flags.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Oh really, really start he saw one? You saw flag?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
The pedophile might have been a big one. The tax
fraud honestly might have been one. There's a lot of
red flags in Ken's life. He's mostly red flags.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Really, everybody needs that one Froe that's like hey girl, yeah,
hey girl, Hey.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Girl, don't marry the dinosaur man. Who's best friend this pedophile?

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Hey girl?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah. So things degenerated between them over the course of
that first COVID year, and by the end of the
year he had graduated to physical abuse, body slamming Lincoln
badly enough that she had to go to the er
and received a protective order against him. Hovind himself was
recording audio of this moment. I think he thought that
the audio. He claims it's because the audio makes it

(44:17):
clear that Lincoln's bipolar, And like, I don't know if
she is or not.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Classic if you're not a law classic move right, illgal
to beat your bipolar Which is so crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You're not allowed to body slam someone because they have
a mental illness. That's not in the law books. Yeah, yeah,
it's just a crime. In twenty twenty one, and again
I don't know that she I'm not saying she is.
That's what his claim is. I'm just saying it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
It doesn't even matter. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah. In twenty twenty one, he was convicted of domestic violence.
His second wife actually testified in Cindy's defense and claimed
in court that she had seen Kent't body slam a
thirteen year old boy.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
She wrote on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Later, several of us w horror as he attacked this
young boy, Like he went insane. It was very scary.
I shouldn't be laughing, but like that's such a wild.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Thing to do.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Once again, if there's several of you around and there's
one dude attacking one young boy, several let me.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Stop him from body slabbing that kid.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Several of you could do a thing.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I think the action could have been taken against Kent
at an earlier point than this.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Perhaps we're a lot of a lot of sort of
forked paths here, right.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, right, what did you say, some red flas.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Some residl slighting doors mode couple three.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah. That same year, one of his former residents went
public with allegations that Kent fraudulently entered into a trust
with him in d L's name, and then broke that trust,
taking something like one hundred thousand dollars. This person committed
suicide in twenty twenty two, and Hoven has denied that
any such trust exists. It remains unclear to me the
precise nature of Kent's marital status, based on claims he's

(45:56):
made publicly. He is now on his fourth wife in
roughly five years. Tuco, who seems to be the most
activist of his ex wives, published an open letter to
his fourth wife on Facebook and claimed he is legally
married to Cindy and possibly me. Still, that is a
felony charge.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
And I.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I don't what to be mean to you because he
sunds like you've been through a lot. But how are
you not sure this.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Is actually this? I have looked into this. This is
more common than people realize. Where they think they are divorced.
I mean they filed for divorce, but they have lost
track of it. And when you get married, it's honor system. Baby,
When you fill out that paperwork, you check a box
and say, yeah, I promise I'm not still married to
anybody else. Nobody's checking, nobody's checking. A lot of people
are accidentally committing bigamy.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Well, US government doesn't.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I actually don't think bigamy should be a crime, but yeah,
I also think there should be like a guy who
checks to be like, all right, but is this like
a fucked up religious thing or or is this just
like a paperwork You just want to get a couple
of different marriages on your under your.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Belt, because you know a guy who does who says that,
you know, God says he doesn't have to do paperwork.
He probably isn't finalized it. He's probably not doing much. Yeah,
because because when you finalize the divorce you have to
pay the alimony.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, and he's not doing that.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
No, not doing that.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
So for his part, Kent's life is a monument to
how much terrible shit you can get away with as
a Christian Conservative. He only does thirty days in jail
for that domestic violence.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Charge and more than most people get.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yes, Yeah, unfortunately this, Yeah, this is not like the
least punishment I've heard of for something like this. And
the whole thing went down while he was in the
process of filing a lawsuit against the federal government for
his two thousand and six conviction. An analysis in Forbes
notes it was based on the theory that the federal
government did not have jurisdiction over Kent Hovend along with
seventy six percent more or less of what we consider

(47:48):
the United States. He was seeking damages for a conviction
that had been upheld on appeal to the Eleventh Circuit.
To get damages for an unlawful conviction, you have to
show that it was, you know, unlawful. The appeal was
ultimately dismissed to do to the fact that Kent couldn't
get his shit together to file it on time. So
that's good.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Classic tell me where he's getting this seventy six percent numbers,
So like four percent of people who are subject to
the jurisdiction might.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Guess would be it has something to do with like
the original boundaries of like the thirteen colonies or some
shit like that.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Hell yeah, yeah, So if you live in Maryland, get fucked.
The federal government is coming state.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Look, I've been saying for years, like most of the
states aren't real, Like Wisconsin. Come on, you're gonna tell
me Thomas Jefferson Wisconsin. Yeah, I don't believe in any
of those. You show New Mexico to Ben Franklin and
he's just going to vomit. He's going to vomit. You
know he's going to be furious. So, speaking of vomiting,

(48:46):
YouTube vomited kent up, which is why he has to
be on Rumble.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I know you're just champing, which is if you're not familiar,
Rumble is like kind of right wing YouTube, and I
know you're just champing it.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
But it doesn't work very well.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Doesn't work as well.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I was gonna say to get this clip up that
you want you want me to show the listeners here.
It was very annoying.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Look at the very annoying look at the advertisement.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
It tells you to press skip ads, but it doesn't
work till the third time because it's just giving you
pop ups.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's Yeah, as you can see on the screen, the
ad right next to the video is iver next in
question mark, We've got you covered.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
And it's like a little case full of warm medicine. God,
what else is?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Oh it's it's Robert.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh my god. Okay, wait we should we should watch
the let's.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Watch this clip. So this is I just want to
give you an example because like most of what he
does is plugged for donations. So here's how he sounds.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Today Friday starts our fishing tournament. I don't have my
flyer about that. It's like a count out. I'm fishing
as it's all free, okay. And then one thousand day
anniversary coming up next month. Yeah, Creation boot Camp coming
up July third, fourth, fifth, and sixth. You got to
come down for that. Love to have you for a
bunch of speakers coming in and it'd be a really
cool play. You can help us to open for free
with Open for Free for eight years, join our seven

(50:08):
seven seven club. So I like what you're doing, please
keep going. You can give a dollar a date. Okay,
If you can't give anything, that's fine. We're gonna keep
going anyway, as long as we can contact Sandra. What
was it he I was supposed to tell people, call Sandra.
If you're doing PayPal right, there are still some issues
if you have automatic PayPal things set up. Callsandra, make
Kurt going to the right place.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
You can't give him PayPal called Sandra, Call Sandra.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I think might be is I'm sure it's not his
next wife then his future wife, just based on his
past precedent.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I mean, I like the vibe though, where he's got
he's like a low hasher.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, he's got his Hawaiian's chilling.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
He's chilling.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
He's pretty marginal on today's far right, thankfully.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah. What's his view count?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Kind of like fifteen hundred of video, Like most of
his stuff has trouble breaking fifteen hundred, So.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
In terms of far right YouTube rumblers, that's the.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
He's with the exception of the pedophile stuff, which I
really was not happy to run into. This was a
supposed to be a fun episode, like let's talk about
this guy who sucks, but it's mostly wacky. Then you
get the pedophile and the dead kid, and it's like, well,
I guess these guys there's not really any fun ones.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
That's unavoidable.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, but anyway, I hope everybody's found this to be
like a nice cool glass of water.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Lightly, lightly, it's like a pedophile Lacroy.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Robert Robert bummed me out at the end there, but uh.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Look at her. Her head looks completely empty.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
She didn't hear she heard nothing, she heard nothing. Well
she's gotten, really, she's gotten really good at.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I don't know. I don't have a dog or any
other kind of adorable pet with me. I do have
what is for me the good book Molly. Oh, yeah,
my copy of Nazis and the Occult by d Skylar. Great.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
So you're having a good time.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I'm having a great time. Yeah. I got it from
Howells are there used book section. It's a it's a classic.
I think this was published Is this this edition come
out nineteen seventy seven by Dusty scar Ah. Yeah, these
are the good ones.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
And then I dropped into the chat a photo of
me at ken Hamm's Creation Museum riding the Tricerah tops
with the saddle on really cool, I have to say you.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, almost Nazis and the occult book.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Well, everybody was like two thousand and nine maybe, and
like I went. I went with my my college girlfriend
and like we really thought that, like, oh, they'll be
like there'll be other people there who are just like joking, right,
Like there'll be other people there who just like China. No, no, no, no, no.
Everyone there everyone's.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
So serious, so serious about it.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Was wearing an ankle length denim skirt and pushing a
triple stroller. Everyone there was so serious it was about
it was. It was a mistake. It was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Don't go wow, Mollie. Uh if people want to go
follow you and your work, how can how can they
do that?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
How can they find me? On the rapidly degrading Twitter
dot com at Socialist dog Mom. I'm trying to get
back into writing my newsletter, The Devil's Advocates on Ghost
and sometimes I'm sometimes I'm making a little podcast on
here every now and again.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh yeah, well that's gonna be it for us here
at Behind the Bastards this week. You know, go make
a dinosaur statue, make it. You know what, Folks if
you want to make me proud, if you want to
you want to make eighty five feet me me a
proud cult leader. Yeah, go to Arkansas and build an
eighty five foot tall dinosaur. So take this away from camps.

(53:44):
There needs to be a taller eighty one feet is fine.
We just got to beat him, you know, this is
how we can get some justice.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Were tall the dinosaur, the closer to God?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, we just needed to be They just needed to
be eighty one feet Is that eighty one foot tall
dinosaur would would give us the way?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
You know, Brady one, I do, I will, I will.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Email that journalist at at arkansa or at al dot
com or whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Well, this has been, this is this is it. This
is the end of the podcast. Goodbye. Behind the Bastards
is a production of cool Zone Media. For more from
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