November 3, 2022 • 47 mins
Robert and Cody finish watching and discussing episode one of Jordan B. Peterson's new TV show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M oh d my Cody, it's behind the bastards, Cody Johnston. Addition, Cody,
how are you doing? Have you successfully what's the last
dragon that you've confronted to get at its horde of gold? Uh?
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Getting to bed and sleeping soundly and waking up RESTful?
Was my gold? Wow? My gold is the gold that
I stole from the underground layer of the dragon Smaug,
who I successfully fought using a variety of bliss. I
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I'm sorry, I thought you metaphor No, no, no literally
literally yeah. Sean Connery, Yes, famously Sean Connery the dragon. Yes, um,
because all dragons, like all evil uncles, are actually the
same ragon. You never questioned when a dragon comes in
because Sean Connery playing a dragon in the movie. I
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know the movie you're talking about, but I've actually forgetten
the Dragonheart. Fucking great movie, incredible film I've ever seen
that I have, Cody, I used to love that movie. Honestly,
I haven't thought about that movie in years. I think
I have to rewatch Dragonheart and actually see if it's
if it holds up, because I have no idea if
it has like, yeah, I don't know. Um, it's been
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it's been a while. I don't know. I feel like
a dragon fantasy movie probably doesn't have a lot of
the things that makes something show up as aged, like
rampant homophobia. Yeah, that probably isn't a factor in Dragon
Heart say that, but yeah, I'm gonna watch it and
be like, wow, I forgot that. There's a thirty five
minutes Sean Connery rant about immigration in the middle. I'm
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gonna say, Sean Connery doing the voice, so maybe he
like talks about how it's okay to slap women dragons
and stuff, you know. I don't know. I don't know.
Is that okay? But if they're dragons, is it wrong?
If it's well, I'm saying, Cody, the dragon is a
powerful arc type because we all have dragons that have
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to be conquered, and the only way to conquer a
dragon is with the sword of truth. And if you're
using the sort of truth, could you not slap a
dragon with the sword of truth? If, for perhaps you
were unable to penetrate its scales with the sword because
you don't have a pin, because the pin is mightier. Yeah,
I don't know. I can't say it's wrong, Cody. I
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could say it's wrong. I won't because it's not. Who's
to know what wrong and right is? Dr Jordan Peterson,
we are not yet through the first episode of his
god incredible TV ship series Dragons, Monsters and Robert. We sure.
I like your little Your little almost slipped just calling
it a ship. It is ship. Um, it's it is
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It is complete true. You know what's fun, Cody, is
that before this happened, I was out in the woods
where a friend and I spent a significant part of
a saturday uh field dressing a deer with non ideal
equivalent equipment in like the middle of the deep woods,
far away from other people. Um. And that that whole
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experience was both powerfully primal. UM. I think it's the
kind of thing that Jordan Peterson would say, that that
that men are supposed to be doing, and that is
that is healthy for them. And it was a task
that my friend and I accomplished but by being agreeable
with each other. And because my friend is more competent
at this than me, it's a task that I was
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able to accomplish by listening to them, um, rather than
attempting to like direct and manage the process. Because I
didn't know how to do it as well as they did,
um and communicate respectfully to you. Sure did, Cody, And
as a result, Um it was. It was a wonderful
experience all around, and a great probably know a little
more about how to do it now I do I do,
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because but so I mean, but did you cry while
thinking about Dumbo during it? I didn't cry while thinking
about Dumbo. I did have the revelation that Antifa hates
God because in cell uh No, it's the for the
curse of being right. Yeah, the cursive being right, the
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curse that that quote from Tombstone. Yeah, I thought a
lot about the curse of being as I was looking
at the subaru. Impressive. That got totalled by that, dear
good times. So let's get Let's get back to Dr
Jordan episode one of the Honestly, this is just like
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your theaters and greatest hits the show. It is him
ranting in a way where it's like, you know, the
thing you talked about all the time, just like do
another version of that, Yeah, go at it. Jordan's b
Peterson Tales track into as we as We've that's a
different show. So although all dragons are the same, just
like all uncles are evil. Sadly, this is a different show,
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and the Catholic Church is an uncle, which is why
you should go to it because it's your not disagree
with it because you don't believe anything, but also change
it because it molests you. Let's listen to some other
wisdom that Dr Peterson has. So when we left off,
he's just announced that writing isn't a tool for finding
truth or learning to think, it's a tool of domination,
because domination is the only task Jordan's seas as worth accomplishing. Well,
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I can scrap the rough I don't want, you know,
at the end of my life that was rough I want.
I floated through life on a cloud of pillows and
nothing ever challenged or threatened me. It's like no one
wants that as their memory. What they want is like dragons, victories,
dragons victories, dragons victories, something like that, or beasts, you know, tamed,
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beasts tamed, something like that. And so you know, there's
a deet you all understand the value of like the
ups and downs of life. And if everything is perfect,
then nothing is perfect, and you need struggles to have successes,
and you need bad vibes to have good vibes to
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compare to and it's good to like accomplish your goals
and get out there and you know, make some successes
in life is a struggle. And but he uses this
kind of stuff that like everybody like generally agrees about,
like that life is to say, like you shouldn't like
not going to medical debt and like all these like
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things that like we can make things like a little
easier and you can still have challenges and successes and
victories in life if you can go to the doctor. Yeah,
And it's also just like nothing he's saying is an
absolute truth. These are all conditional truths of challenges and
struggles like meeting and and exceeding chan leunges and struggles
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can make you a better, stronger person. Um Also, surviving
difficult things sometimes ruins you as a human being. A
lot of people are fundamentally broke. For example, one of
my grandpa's brothers fought at Best Stone and got shot
through the head and survived and was never the same,
and everyone agrees he was kind of fundamentally broken by
the experience. Uh, he went and he slayed a dragon,
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and it it like ruined the rest of his life,
which is the thing that happens to a lot of
people who encounter things that are are difficult and traumatizing,
because it doesn't always make you better. Sometimes it makes
you less capable of dealing with the world. Well, that's
you got to choose the right dragons, right, Yes, the
wrong dragon in that case was the Nazis. He should
have picked an easier dragons, like yeah, yeah, like sitting
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at home and advocating for an end to the New Deal,
or like yeah, m a video game, yeah, like a
video game. Um, anyway, whatever, it's perfect. It's all right
on the screen. Which dragons to go after? Which dragons
to go after? And let's let's see how he how
he explains this treasures are worth attaining. That's a good question,
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you know, because you know, you could you could be
like don Kyote and and go after windmills. And there's
something noble about Kote because at least he goes after something.
I what wait, wait, can we keep going. Let's let's
go a little. They're at least dragons in his imagination.
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You know, it's dangerous to go play in traffic. But
and so you might say, well, I've run out in traffic.
I'm dodging cars. I'm playing chicken, Aren't I slaying the dragon?
It's like a hardy exposure to danger. It might be
better than no exposure at all. You know, there is
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something someone admirable Bats, that kind of careless bravado that
you sometimes see among the Sophie past this because I
want to emphasize Jordan Peterson has just kind of kind
of talked himself into running into traffic, like he kind
of convinces himself it's a good something. Sometimes maybe that's
good to run into traffic. Let's second, Okay, alright, good
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luck Jordan's That's sort of the Bart Simpson approach to life,
you know, better than the Millhouse approach. Neither are optimal.
I feel like one of the points of the Simpsons
is that neither Bart nor Millhouse are are anything but
like object failures, as people like every time they get
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ahead to their future. Bart is like living a marginal existence,
like an inch away from being out on the street.
He becomes a Supreme Court justice. Right. Oh wait, isn't
that is? That's one of the new one, Cody. We
don't need to go out se back in the day.
That's like classic Simpsons. Yeah, talking about it, I'm talking
about the one where Lisa Mary's the British man. Oh,
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that's just like, well, even in that episode, he's like,
there's like a reference. He's like, he's like, looks like
ship and he's like, yeah, I'm a fucking piece of ship.
It's like, don't worry, I'm getting out all my aggression
before I go to law school. And then he becomes
a Supreme Court justice. No, that's the one where they
see the Itchy and Scratchy movie, right and his dad.
That's two. So the Itchen Scratchy one is first, Uh,
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we see him as as a Supreme Court justice. Uh,
and then the flash forward this is the president. Uh. Jordan,
he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, is in construction.
He's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to law school eventually.
You're right, Jordan Peterson is correct. It's better to be
a Bart Simpson than a millhouse unless there's a moderate
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amount of flooding, in which case you probably want to
be a millhouse. Because he's got those he's got those
those pants that are cuffed up a little bit high.
Um keeps his cuffs bone dry. Everything's coming up anyway anyway, UM,
I just find it so like, all right, it's real quick.
There's a few things here. It's just like he he's
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given a few examples and none of them are good yet,
like what dragons do you fight? Well, don Yote thought dragons.
That didn't want to talk about that, I want to
talk about don Quixote because he brings up don Quixote
to say that, like, well he's a tilting it windows windmills,
and the windmills you know, aren't what he thinks they are,
but like there's something noble and just the act of
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of the of the fight itself, and that that's something beautiful.
It's really funny to me because Savante's I'm not I'm
not an expert on don Quixote, but if you look up,
like what the author why he wrote don Quixote, it
was because he was really pissed at the popular fiction
that existed at the day, which was mostly these like
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really shitty and derivative stories of like medieval nights and
you know, doing night shit. Um. He specifically framed don
Quixote as an attack on quote, vain and empty books
of chivalry. He was trying to destroy a genre of
fiction that he found tepid and not engaging and not
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particularly like intellectually valuable. And it's exactly the kind of
fiction that Jordan B. Peterson has based his entire life
view on, right, like that Don Quixote is about, like, God,
all this stuff is lame as hell's like boring. It's yeah,
uh that's of course, yeah, it's it's and like but
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also like he brings it up and then doesn't really
even make a point. It's just like he's trying to
he's trying to answer the questions. He's kind of saying,
tilting it windills is good. Yeah, well no, because they
like the the only examples he's given so far are like, yeah, okay,
this this story where it's not really a dragon or
running into traffic, Yeah, those are the two. And he
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talks again. I have to cannot emphasize enough. He talks
himself into leaving that running into traffic might be a
good idea than not doing it. All right, but no,
actually like not like completely like ignoring that. Like, by
the way, when you run into traffic, it's not just
like doing a dangerous thing, it's looking a dangerous thing
for potentially hundreds of people who are also who are
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like on the road in their cars. It's not just
like this like weird like uh Frogger video game or
like extreme sports. Right, it's not you're not jumping out
of an airplane like getting the rush of that extreme experience.
You're in traffic. People will die. It's silly, man. Yeah, anyway, whatever,
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it's amazing how really consistently in this this episode, Cody.
The only parts of Peterson's rants that actually translate into
useful information is stuff that like you're eleventh grade guidance
counselor could have told you in between smoking weed out
behind the building. Stuff like job interviews can be gary,
but you have to do them sometimes on them, like
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it's not even like you have to do this sometimes,
like yeah, get better at public speaking. Yeah, I mean
the the the challenge that I have in life, I
should try to like get better at it. Like it's yeah,
the most basic life. Yeah, you don't need to couch
it and it's like dragons and monsters and men to
be like, oh, you're struggling with that, you should work
on it. Yeah you can, you can succeed. I'll help,
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Like it's well and also I don't know. Maybe if
you think about it that way, Uh, that's less useful
because I don't know. I just I I lift weights.
I'm not a power lifter or anything like that. But
I've made consistent progress and I just recently hit the
point where I was able to do two full sets
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at a new max and it it was it was
something I've been working towards for about a year. And
I didn't think about I want to be able to
bench press two and twenty pounds as if it was
a dragon. I thought about it the way that most
people think about most actual challenges, where this is a
series incremental improvements that I need to make until eventually
I can do the thing. And look, now I've done
the thing. That's nice. Um And when I when I
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repeatedly was unable to do it earlier, I didn't think
the dragon has bested me. I thought this is part
of incremental improvement. Is failing in this very simple act
to be described. Um yeah, if it if this helps people, great,
but it seems like an unnecessary abstraction, uh to actual
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progress and success. But yeah, it's that's exactly what it is. Is.
It's not like you can think about challenges. This way
you can think about wanting to do, you know, raise
your squats or whatever, or run a mile faster as
a dragon, and maybe that works for you, but it's
I don't know, I think a silly and unnecessary way
to think about going after challenges. Yeah, because this is
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like the way, and this is what we talked about
a lot of stuff, but this in particular, this show
for some reason, Yeah, this is the kind of thing
that would be like a children's book. Yeah, he's taking
Billy in the dragons and the dragon is a metaphor
for all the challenges in life. And okay, that helps
children understand what challenges are. But as anyone over the
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age of like eight or ten or twelve pick child's age,
understands what challenges are. I think what Peterson has maybe
recognized here that is actually intelligent is that masculinity in
our society is so like broken because people think that
it does rely like that that being masculine involves fighting things.
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Was going to because we've built like a world that's
in many ways slightly better than it used to be. Um,
there's not a lot of chances for men to go
fight things because it's actually not very necessary or healthy
if people are fighting all the time. But all of
our media is themed towards venerating physical courage as the
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primary expression of masculinity. And so Jordan Peterson recognized that
you can make a lot of money if you dress
up stuff like, hey, maybe practice doing job interviews as
like and you must slay the dragon and defeat your
evil uncle and right, and then like his audience skews
like young white male kind of thing, and so like, okay,
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you like fantasy bullshit and you're fucking video games. I'll
talk about it like that. Um, and it's like, yeah,
doing the dishes is like a dragon's like no, it's
the thing you gotta do. It's like those like dude
wipes or like tactical diaper changing bay okay, now cody
tactical Wait wait, I do love I love all of
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the tactical diaper changing bags because they're they're made to
look like or tactical like baby carriers. Because anything like that,
anything that's like marketed like it's this everyday thing you do.
But like it's wares are specifically any because they're like
they're made to look like plate carriers, which is like
a plate carriers a thing you wear over your body
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that carries armor inside of it and ammunition and stuff
on the outside of it, and like the baby goes
in the place that the body armor that's meant to
absorb bullets. Unbelievable. It's just really funny. It's silly, and
it's like these things that like, I know, I have
to do this in order to get people to act
like this, and that's just what he's doing, I think, honestly.
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And I think one of the fundamental things I disagree
with Jordan is he's like, if you think about things
in this way, then it will inspire people to achieve more,
because people are fundamentally motivated by these these grand like
some like archetypes in our heads and symbols from our stories.
And I actually think that's pretty unhealthy. And I think
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maybe in a lot of cases, the best thing to
do is to frame stuff like taking care of your
own child and cleaning the dishes as like scrubbing yourself
with soap from time to time, which just like, yeah,
it's just the thing you do. Yeah, well right, it's
the It's the opposite of what he said earlier in
this video. In the previous episode, about like lying and
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like manipulating language and stuff and saying untruths, and like, well,
if reality is not is unreality, then how do you fight?
Like It's like, you don't need to talk like this.
You're creating this weird like realm of thought that is
unnecessary in order to do the real things in real life. Also,
this is Dragon's Monsters and men, and he's talking about
what it's like to be a man. I'd be very
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curious what he would how he would respond to someone
saying if you're a woman, do you also have dragons?
Or like is it a different metaphor the occasionally and
he in here he does a couple of times, although
it's very clear who's he's angling Cody. Let's move past that.
I want to show you the funniest part of this
fucking episode, the treasures that you can get. Well, the
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first thing Dragon's guard is Spurgeon. So there's that. Well,
it's very bizarre story, right, the story of the dragon.
Dragons guard golden and virgins. It's like, what interest do
dragons have in golden virgins? But well, the girl wants
the guy who can overcome the dragon, So that's that's that.
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That's dead simple and and obvious to anyone with even
a smidgeon of biological knowledge. That's any any biologist will
tell you, Cody, the dragons love virgins and women the
guy slay the dragon. But also, like, these dragon stories
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aren't from the point of view of the woman, you
know they're they're usually like the prize in these stories,
she's not a character, and so it's not about like
what she wants, it's about what he thinks she wants.
So he gets the thing to present as this night
to say whenever. It's funny because Jordan's has recently come
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out and said that like he's emotionally moved by being
basically the in cell philosopher. And the reason why a
lot of men are in cells is because they internalize
these ideas about what women want that are created by
men like men like Walt Disney and the nineteen fucking
fifties UM who didn't maybe had never talked to a
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woman in an open and honest conversation, UM talk talked
at a woman. But even then with Walt Disney, probably
not all that often, because I don't think women were
allowed to speak at the Disney offices, and I don't
even know if that's a joke. I I don't. I
don't think that was a um Cody. You know it
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think one of the things that's funny about that virgin
dragon rant is that you kind of see Jordan's start
to ask himself why dragons want virgins and then realize
there's no reason, right, Like, it's just kind of a
weird thing that likes to think about that now. And
and maybe even like the most famous dragon and all
of fiction didn't do that because Jare Tolkien was just
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a little bit better of a storyteller than some of
the folks at Disney. Maybe. Um anyway, Uh, Jordan's is,
I don't know, there's so much that's wrong about that.
Um in stories, like you know, the stories that servants
hated dragons are sometimes yeah, one of I don't know,
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have a virgin for some reasons that a night can
rescue her or whatever. But Jordan is he's not talking
about like stories again, He's dropping these things that are
like old storytelling shortcuts and not even particularly good ones, right.
Like we can debate as to whether or not, you know,
the evil uncle or the virgin held by a dragon
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is like a good thing to have in a story,
But there are many stories that include like evil and
that include dragons that do not include those tropes, and
in fact, most really good stories don't include those tropes
because they're not particularly necessary and they're boring. Um. Also,
I find it so that whole brief little clip was
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so fascinating because also he because he's bringing up like, oh,
also golden virgins, you see, and his explanation for why
dragons will capture virgins was that, well, because women, you know,
they want the man who who defeats the dragon and
any biologists. And he gets so angry about that, like, oh,
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we didn't have a lot. Well, that doesn't explain the
virgin part, Mr Peterson, You you ignored that you specifically
said virgins, and then your explanations like, well, women want
the guy who can get things done, what about the
virgin part that you brought up? You brought this up
like it's is still removed from the thing he's trying
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to pretend know what to talk about. So much of
like what he has to say is based on like
he he frames it as it's based on these like
immutable evolutionary truths, like hierarchy is a thing that we
know is important because human like creatures of doing it
before there were human beings lobsters you know, are hardwired
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for you know, yeah before it's older than trees and
anything like that. There's a reason that it has been
around for so long and and that's why it's the
only way that things can ever be. And it's like, well, actually,
if if if just kind of like raw evolutionary uh
benefit was the only thing that mattered, then um, there's
actually not any reason to seek out a virgin. And
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in fact, if you're if all that matters is like
spreading your DNA, finding people who have proven that like
their body type is able to easily and successfully undergo
childbirth would be better than just randomly picking out virgins
because a lot of people, um, who can give birth
die doing it because it's it's hard. Um. And maybe
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if you're if all that organisms do is optimized for survival,
that's actually not the best tactic. Yeah. So maybe it's
something else. Yeah, So maybe it's a maybe people doesn't create.
They're not always logical, and we can change our value
systems because often they're silly and self defeating. Maybe everything
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in the world and how it should be can't be
explained by just like how evolution worked out, yeah, or
by fucking Disney story tales from the nineteen sixties. Um. Anyway, obviously,
the most harmful thing about this whole dragon in virgin
ship is that, like, actual women in real life, virgin
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or not, are not being guarded by dragons. They're human
beings who get to make their own decisions. And the
task of like falling in love is not conquering a dragon.
It's like meeting somebody and building a relationship, which is
very different from fighting an animal. Um. Yeah, and then
and like winning the game because he even he hits
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on this earlier of like, well, yeah, it's not like
you want to work on yourself and demonstrate like why
you're a good valuable person and like all these things
and like get skills and do that be a dragon
slayer in his in his language, and prove that you
can be. But it's not the act of doing it
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that wins you the the virgin Prize. Yeah, it's it's
all of the things that make you good at fighting
are are not things that make you good in a relationship,
you know, Like it's it's it's it's everything about this
is fundamentally toxic. I'm sure he would disagree with you,
But Dr Peterson actually fight because you know you have
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you if you know, if you know your dragons and
she knows her dragons and your dragons can fight each other.
I don't know. I've had to fight a couple of
wild animals, and the tactic that was successful for me
was picking up a big stick and hitting it in
the nose. Um. I have not tried that in a
romantic relationship, but I don't think it would help me.
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Probably not. Jean Connery would different. Sean Connery would say different.
You know, m anyway, women are going to be what
would you say, entranced by the man who can keep
the predator away from the infants. I mean, clearly that's
a primary significance. So if you can confront the dragon,
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you get the girl. And that's how God only knows
how old that story is, like millions of years old?
What Dr Peterson, There's no story that's millions of years old.
People haven't been telling them from millions of years Just
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so silly. He's just trying to say that, like the
act of like a male organism protecting a female organism
from like a predator is like a tale as old
as times like Okay, I don't know it's theoretically we
don't actually know when people started talking obviously, like when
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human beings started using words, because we were not writing
at that point. I think like fifty thousand years is
often bandied, but it's possible it goes back like like
two million years. But I will I would be willing
to bet that that is not the way stories were
necessarily framed for two million years, because I I think
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evidence suggests that things were a little bit like storytelling
was much less literal for some of those people's because
a lot of things about their belief system in the
way they dealt with the world would have been not
like not been literal in ways that Uh, the way
we talk is because so much of human thought in
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speech has been informed by the stuff that happened in
the past. So the first people probably would not have
talked about anything the way that is recognizable. I don't know.
We have not been telling that story for millions of years.
That's where I come come come to ground on um.
I mean, I tend to agree with you that we
haven't been telling that story for millions of years. Yeah,
we absolutely have not. Anyway the episode, sorry, what he's
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talking about this he's just such a little sneaky little
word man, because he's not saying I don't think he's
saying like, literally, we've been telling the story of millions
of the years, saying that this the existence of this
event in like this, the manifestation of this dynamic has
existed for millions of years, right like he would he
would describe like, oh, the tale of the of the
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little guy, uh making his way up the hierarchy has
been a story told for millions of years. And what
he means is like, yeah, love, just do this. And
so like the act of it existing in the world
is in his mind the story being told, because that's
how he views all this stuff. He's just a weird guy.
He is just he is just a weird guy, Cody,
(31:15):
You know it isn't weird. Third capitalism, Yeah, the third
split screen is pretty great. Um, and so is the
ads that sponsored this podcast. In a way, they're your dragons,
these ads. By throwing some cash on the fucking ground. Ah,
(31:42):
we're back. So the episode kind of starts to end
with more of what I would call meaningless tripe. First,
he says that like, travel is good because it helps
you figure out who you want to be which is fine,
But then he says that like doing this is quote
unquote active aiding the ancestral father, and he compares it
(32:03):
to epigenetics, saying that stressing yourself, stressing yourself cody leads
your genes to activate new modules that give you new abilities.
Talking about leveling up kind of yes, and like getting
skill points, like putting ah unlocked brawler A turn things
(32:27):
on inside of you that you don't even know we're there.
And that's the same as reactivating the ancestral father. It's
the same thing because all that biological capacity is in
some sense nested inside you, maybe coded at the genetic level.
We know that if you stress yourself in particular ways,
especially voluntarily, new genes turn on and code for new proteins,
(32:48):
like you literally build new modules there there in latent form.
It's not much different than you know, when you go
to the gym and you start lifting weights while your
body is going to transform. But it's not going to
do that if you just sit around it a little
little army ways, he was cheering a cheer. He was
doing a little cheer. Look, he gets epigenetics completely wrong.
(33:13):
It does not work that way. It is not like
lifting weights, and it is not unlocking modules that provide
you with new powers. Um. Epigenetics is a real phenomenon,
and it certainly seems accurate to say that there are
things that can be passed on in your d NA
to your descendants and that are passed on into you
from your ancestors in ways that are not super well understood.
(33:35):
But certain things can get switched on by environmental factors.
It is not like unlocking ancient powers. You are not
like becoming your ancestors by unlocking powers that they encoded
in your DNA. And in fact, a lot of like
when this kind of epigenetic phenomenon is observed, it's often
stuff that you wouldn't want to have happened. It's bad stuff.
(33:56):
I'm gonna quote from a little right up in medline
plus on how genes work. That is a pretty basic
rite up I can understand, and I'm stupid quote. A
common type of epigenetic modification is called d n A methylation.
DNA methylation involves the attachment of a small chemical groups
called methyl groups, each consisting of one carbon atom and
three hydrogen atoms, to DNA building blocks. When methyl groups
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are present on a gene, that gene is turned off
or silenced, and no protein is produced from that gene.
Another common epigenetic change is his stone modification. His stones
are structural proteins in the in the cell nucleus. DNA
wraps around his stones, giving chromosomes their shape. His stones
can be modified by the addition or removal of chemical
groups such as methyl groups or acidal groups, each consisting
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of two carbon, three hydrogen, and one oxygen atoms. The
chemical groups influence how tightly the DNA is wrapped around
his stones, which affects whether a gene can be turned
on or not. Errors in the epigenetic process, such as
modification of the wrong gene or failure to add a
chemical group to a particular gene or his stone, can
lead to abnormal gene activity or inactivity. All your gene activity,
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including that caused by epigenetic errors, is a common cause
of genetic disorders. Conditions such as cancers, metabolic disorders, and
degenerative disorders have been found to be related to epigenetic errors.
It's like, again, I don't understand epigenetics. No one really does.
There's actually One of the major debates is like, is
are there ways in which like trauma is passed on epigenetically,
and it's actually like a lot of people will say, well, yeah,
(35:23):
and you can see it, and you know, there's studies
on Holocaust survivors. We actually don't really have a great
handle on it. And like the degree to which that's true,
if it is, like all of this is I'm not
an expert. There's a lot we don't know about this stuff.
A lot we don't tie it to the spiritual as
it is a thing. It definitely isn't is like you
stress yourself and then gain powers from your ancestors. That's
(35:45):
not epigenetics. And often epigenetics is like, yeah, like a
weird environmental factor caused this like thing in your DNA
to activate and and now you have cancer. So it's
not like I went through I like went through like
a big ordeal. I fought a dragon and I unlocked sharpshooter. No,
it's more like there's errors made when you're like photo
(36:07):
copying stuff, and sometimes those errors can cause serious problems.
I mean, that's not the only thing that Again, EVA
genetics is much more complicated than that little quote that
I've read. I just want to make the point that
he is wrong. He is completely wrong about but he's
a biologist. It is not like lifting weights, but he's
(36:29):
a biologist. So I feel like maybe he's right about everything.
You're right, You're right, Cody, and you know you know
what else you're right about that this fucking episode is
almost over. Um I was right. God bless you for everything,
Mr Cody. Bless us everyone, God bless us everyone, Sophie,
(36:52):
can we play the last minute or so before the
before the credits run. I just want Cody to see
how this all. You can't just give me a second
exit because you didn't mark anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
we weren't planning to have a font maybe the worst
font I've actually ever seen, Like I would prefer Papyrus
or comic sands. Oh okay, you want the last minute? Um?
(37:18):
Fuck me. I don't want to see it. And we
are unfortunately back. We are unfortunately back. It's not much
different than you know, when you go to the gym
and you start lifting weights while your body is going
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to transform, but it's not going to do that if
you just sit around. You have to you have to
face your being with the necessity of transformation, and then
all sorts of new things that you had no idea
you were capable of will make themselves manifest, and that's
all part of that pattern of voluntary confrontation that's the
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core of any an adventure. Did that make Did that
make any sense to you? Cody? Oh my god? I
need to absorb what's going on in these plays real quick.
(38:21):
We've got kind of again like a Game of Thrones
style fun is going on ending scenes in what is this? Yeah,
it's like we just watched Jordan Peterson like fistfight a
fucking cave bear. This is so intense. Also, whoever sound
(38:45):
designed this? Why did you so much louder than people
are involved in the production? Shall we continue? Like too
many people now? Cody? Oh my god, it's so embarrassed thing.
You've made a lot of videos in your life. Some
of them have been videos of a person sitting and
talking to camera. What how big of a crew would you?
(39:09):
Would you say you need? Is it that many fucking
people know? Um? Well, so with our I mean with
our show, I'm the only guy in the room. We
do it over zoom. We have director and uh teleprompter
virtually um, and there are people on zoom helping out
and like adjusting lights. Um, but its just me in
(39:30):
the room. Um. When we had a studio it was
three people maybe including me. Usually, Um, this is a
little fancier, you know. It's there are two cameras at
least the cameras in motion, so you need to probably
have a boom mic operator following them along so you
don't get the mike and the shot and then another
(39:52):
one for the second camera and maybe the third camera. Um,
so more. I think it requires more than we would
use for sure, but not as many as I saw
on screen. Um. But you know, they need to make
it look again, it's like anything to make it look
more intense than it is because it's just Peterson rambling
(40:15):
about stuff. Um. There. I liked how at times there
was this text on screen, just because you've got to
have something going on, so just like have the words
that he's saying on screen as he says it. Um.
His little last speech was was odd because I mean
(40:35):
we already talked about the genetic aspect of it, but
like what he's just saying. He's trying to say, go
out and like challenge yourself and like learn new skills,
and you know sometimes uh, you know, bad situations can
turn out well, okay, this was the first thing he
(40:59):
said decided needs to be talked about. I can't imagine
what he's going to say. Oh, I think epigenetically, you
actually do understand, because your ancestors had knowledge of this,
just like they knew about your evil uncle who was
the Catholic church and also talking to girls. If I'm understanding,
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Dr Peterson promises, I think. I think you are. I've
gone through the stress of listening to him talk, and
now I've unlocked sneak. I have unlocked the skill of
my ancestors, which, as Italians, is cooking spicy meata balls.
(41:43):
Probably like chef. Is the modules you unlocked chef or criminal?
Those are the two options Italians, I guess fascists. So
three we have three options? Yes, Cody, Yes, how are
you feeling? Yes? How was it was episode one of
this what you had expected from Dr Jordan Balthasar Peterson.
(42:06):
It is dragons, monsters, and men, exactly what I thought
it was going to be. Um I I think I
saw a trailer At one point I was like, oh,
so he's just like talking in a chair. Yeah, he is,
just in fact talking at it I will say that
the credit sequence, uh did kind of surprise me a
little bit because it's like, like you expect, like a
(42:26):
little some overwrought, dorky, like intense kind of drag any
kind of stuff, but it was more than I expected.
It was very loud and and like unnecessary, and the
shift from like you see the thing is it's like
so funny and jarring. I love it. No, I don't.
(42:51):
I'm sorry. Cody's fine. It's like I also, I guess
I'm not surprised, but I think it's amusing that it
is like so many of these clips are like heard
him say that before, talks about that a lot. Well
there's a there's a sound, but I've heard ninety times
(43:12):
on various YouTube videos. Um, well, you know, maybe they're
getting their subscribers up and they're going to get that
Gina Kurano sci fi movie penned by the Ben Shapiro
out on Daily Wire Plus. And are they making an
actual sci fi movie? I saw Gina Krano in the
(43:35):
movie about Joe Biden, which includes a lot of editing
that I could do, and I don't know how to
edit because it looks like they're literally just taking like
an MS paint style app and like drawing over frames
funny how like poor the trailer it is dogshit it is.
(43:58):
It's actually like the trailer makes it look like funny bad,
but it really is not. It's just a terrible movie.
I bet I could. But it's like it's it looks
it looks made up, and not in the way that
all movies are made up, but like it looks like
a fake movie that someone is of the run time
(44:20):
is Joe Biden either sitting in a car talking to
his son or his son's sitting in a car talking
to a sex worker and like explaining laboriously crimes that
often don't sound like crimes because they're just like complicated
real estate deals or whatever. I don't know. It's very boring.
The only part of it that was funny is that
(44:42):
so they do you know who Victor Yunakovich was? Is
he was the former president of Ukraine who got overthrown
in two thousand fourteen when he tried to do dictator ship. Anyway,
he's like he looks like a middle manager. He's got
like kind of strong Paul Manafort vibes, just kind of
not a very interesting looking guy, but like a full
(45:03):
head of hair and stuff. The dude they got to
cast him was like bald and jacked. Um, like, they
just got like a huge bald man who was fucking
shredded to play the former dictator of Ukraine for no
reason like there, I don't know why, You're just like,
we gotta make sure this guy is played by a
hot dude who's fucking shredded like it's it's it's nonsense, no,
(45:27):
because he's he's framed as a bad guy because it's
talking about like his he's clearly a bad guy and
he has some shady dealings with Hunter. It's like because
he is a bad I have no idea why they
did it the way they did it. It's it's completely incomprehensible. Um,
oh don't that was your first mistake. Don't try to
comprehend the Hunter Biden movie with Gina Kurano. Yeah, I
(45:49):
will never do that again. Cody, do you have any
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(46:10):
it up. Yeah, it'll come out one of these days,
perhaps during the holidays, so you know, hit your evil
uncle in the face in order to defeat the dragon
of spending Thanksgiving with the people who love you. Yes,
if you're evil uncle is a woman. If your evil
uncle is a woman, then bucker uh kill a dragon
(46:31):
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M oh d my Cody, it's behind the bastards, Cody Johnston. Addition, Cody,
how are you doing? Have you successfully what's the last
dragon that you've confronted to get at its horde of gold? Uh?
(00:21):
Getting to bed and sleeping soundly and waking up RESTful?
Was my gold? Wow? My gold is the gold that
I stole from the underground layer of the dragon Smaug,
who I successfully fought using a variety of bliss. I
(00:44):
I'm sorry, I thought you metaphor No, no, no literally
literally yeah. Sean Connery, Yes, famously Sean Connery the dragon. Yes, um,
because all dragons, like all evil uncles, are actually the
same ragon. You never questioned when a dragon comes in
because Sean Connery playing a dragon in the movie. I
(01:05):
know the movie you're talking about, but I've actually forgetten
the Dragonheart. Fucking great movie, incredible film I've ever seen
that I have, Cody, I used to love that movie. Honestly,
I haven't thought about that movie in years. I think
I have to rewatch Dragonheart and actually see if it's
if it holds up, because I have no idea if
it has like, yeah, I don't know. Um, it's been
(01:30):
it's been a while. I don't know. I feel like
a dragon fantasy movie probably doesn't have a lot of
the things that makes something show up as aged, like
rampant homophobia. Yeah, that probably isn't a factor in Dragon
Heart say that, but yeah, I'm gonna watch it and
be like, wow, I forgot that. There's a thirty five
minutes Sean Connery rant about immigration in the middle. I'm
(01:51):
gonna say, Sean Connery doing the voice, so maybe he
like talks about how it's okay to slap women dragons
and stuff, you know. I don't know. I don't know.
Is that okay? But if they're dragons, is it wrong?
If it's well, I'm saying, Cody, the dragon is a
powerful arc type because we all have dragons that have
(02:12):
to be conquered, and the only way to conquer a
dragon is with the sword of truth. And if you're
using the sort of truth, could you not slap a
dragon with the sword of truth? If, for perhaps you
were unable to penetrate its scales with the sword because
you don't have a pin, because the pin is mightier. Yeah,
I don't know. I can't say it's wrong, Cody. I
(02:33):
could say it's wrong. I won't because it's not. Who's
to know what wrong and right is? Dr Jordan Peterson,
we are not yet through the first episode of his
god incredible TV ship series Dragons, Monsters and Robert. We sure.
I like your little Your little almost slipped just calling
it a ship. It is ship. Um, it's it is
(02:55):
It is complete true. You know what's fun, Cody, is
that before this happened, I was out in the woods
where a friend and I spent a significant part of
a saturday uh field dressing a deer with non ideal
equivalent equipment in like the middle of the deep woods,
far away from other people. Um. And that that whole
(03:17):
experience was both powerfully primal. UM. I think it's the
kind of thing that Jordan Peterson would say, that that
that men are supposed to be doing, and that is
that is healthy for them. And it was a task
that my friend and I accomplished but by being agreeable
with each other. And because my friend is more competent
at this than me, it's a task that I was
(03:38):
able to accomplish by listening to them, um, rather than
attempting to like direct and manage the process. Because I
didn't know how to do it as well as they did,
um and communicate respectfully to you. Sure did, Cody, And
as a result, Um it was. It was a wonderful
experience all around, and a great probably know a little
more about how to do it now I do I do,
(04:02):
because but so I mean, but did you cry while
thinking about Dumbo during it? I didn't cry while thinking
about Dumbo. I did have the revelation that Antifa hates
God because in cell uh No, it's the for the
curse of being right. Yeah, the cursive being right, the
(04:24):
curse that that quote from Tombstone. Yeah, I thought a
lot about the curse of being as I was looking
at the subaru. Impressive. That got totalled by that, dear
good times. So let's get Let's get back to Dr
Jordan episode one of the Honestly, this is just like
(04:46):
your theaters and greatest hits the show. It is him
ranting in a way where it's like, you know, the
thing you talked about all the time, just like do
another version of that, Yeah, go at it. Jordan's b
Peterson Tales track into as we as We've that's a
different show. So although all dragons are the same, just
like all uncles are evil. Sadly, this is a different show,
(05:10):
and the Catholic Church is an uncle, which is why
you should go to it because it's your not disagree
with it because you don't believe anything, but also change
it because it molests you. Let's listen to some other
wisdom that Dr Peterson has. So when we left off,
he's just announced that writing isn't a tool for finding
truth or learning to think, it's a tool of domination,
because domination is the only task Jordan's seas as worth accomplishing. Well,
(05:36):
I can scrap the rough I don't want, you know,
at the end of my life that was rough I want.
I floated through life on a cloud of pillows and
nothing ever challenged or threatened me. It's like no one
wants that as their memory. What they want is like dragons, victories,
dragons victories, dragons victories, something like that, or beasts, you know, tamed,
(05:57):
beasts tamed, something like that. And so you know, there's
a deet you all understand the value of like the
ups and downs of life. And if everything is perfect,
then nothing is perfect, and you need struggles to have successes,
and you need bad vibes to have good vibes to
(06:18):
compare to and it's good to like accomplish your goals
and get out there and you know, make some successes
in life is a struggle. And but he uses this
kind of stuff that like everybody like generally agrees about,
like that life is to say, like you shouldn't like
not going to medical debt and like all these like
(06:39):
things that like we can make things like a little
easier and you can still have challenges and successes and
victories in life if you can go to the doctor. Yeah,
And it's also just like nothing he's saying is an
absolute truth. These are all conditional truths of challenges and
struggles like meeting and and exceeding chan leunges and struggles
(07:01):
can make you a better, stronger person. Um Also, surviving
difficult things sometimes ruins you as a human being. A
lot of people are fundamentally broke. For example, one of
my grandpa's brothers fought at Best Stone and got shot
through the head and survived and was never the same,
and everyone agrees he was kind of fundamentally broken by
the experience. Uh, he went and he slayed a dragon,
(07:24):
and it it like ruined the rest of his life,
which is the thing that happens to a lot of
people who encounter things that are are difficult and traumatizing,
because it doesn't always make you better. Sometimes it makes
you less capable of dealing with the world. Well, that's
you got to choose the right dragons, right, Yes, the
wrong dragon in that case was the Nazis. He should
have picked an easier dragons, like yeah, yeah, like sitting
(07:48):
at home and advocating for an end to the New Deal,
or like yeah, m a video game, yeah, like a
video game. Um, anyway, whatever, it's perfect. It's all right
on the screen. Which dragons to go after? Which dragons
to go after? And let's let's see how he how
he explains this treasures are worth attaining. That's a good question,
(08:13):
you know, because you know, you could you could be
like don Kyote and and go after windmills. And there's
something noble about Kote because at least he goes after something.
I what wait, wait, can we keep going. Let's let's
go a little. They're at least dragons in his imagination.
(08:37):
You know, it's dangerous to go play in traffic. But
and so you might say, well, I've run out in traffic.
I'm dodging cars. I'm playing chicken, Aren't I slaying the dragon?
It's like a hardy exposure to danger. It might be
better than no exposure at all. You know, there is
(08:59):
something someone admirable Bats, that kind of careless bravado that
you sometimes see among the Sophie past this because I
want to emphasize Jordan Peterson has just kind of kind
of talked himself into running into traffic, like he kind
of convinces himself it's a good something. Sometimes maybe that's
good to run into traffic. Let's second, Okay, alright, good
(09:25):
luck Jordan's That's sort of the Bart Simpson approach to life,
you know, better than the Millhouse approach. Neither are optimal.
I feel like one of the points of the Simpsons
is that neither Bart nor Millhouse are are anything but
like object failures, as people like every time they get
(09:46):
ahead to their future. Bart is like living a marginal existence,
like an inch away from being out on the street.
He becomes a Supreme Court justice. Right. Oh wait, isn't
that is? That's one of the new one, Cody. We
don't need to go out se back in the day.
That's like classic Simpsons. Yeah, talking about it, I'm talking
about the one where Lisa Mary's the British man. Oh,
(10:07):
that's just like, well, even in that episode, he's like,
there's like a reference. He's like, he's like, looks like
ship and he's like, yeah, I'm a fucking piece of ship.
It's like, don't worry, I'm getting out all my aggression
before I go to law school. And then he becomes
a Supreme Court justice. No, that's the one where they
see the Itchy and Scratchy movie, right and his dad.
That's two. So the Itchen Scratchy one is first, Uh,
(10:27):
we see him as as a Supreme Court justice. Uh,
and then the flash forward this is the president. Uh. Jordan,
he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, is in construction.
He's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to law school eventually.
You're right, Jordan Peterson is correct. It's better to be
a Bart Simpson than a millhouse unless there's a moderate
(10:51):
amount of flooding, in which case you probably want to
be a millhouse. Because he's got those he's got those
those pants that are cuffed up a little bit high.
Um keeps his cuffs bone dry. Everything's coming up anyway anyway, UM,
I just find it so like, all right, it's real quick.
There's a few things here. It's just like he he's
(11:12):
given a few examples and none of them are good yet,
like what dragons do you fight? Well, don Yote thought dragons.
That didn't want to talk about that, I want to
talk about don Quixote because he brings up don Quixote
to say that, like, well he's a tilting it windows windmills,
and the windmills you know, aren't what he thinks they are,
but like there's something noble and just the act of
(11:32):
of the of the fight itself, and that that's something beautiful.
It's really funny to me because Savante's I'm not I'm
not an expert on don Quixote, but if you look up,
like what the author why he wrote don Quixote, it
was because he was really pissed at the popular fiction
that existed at the day, which was mostly these like
(11:53):
really shitty and derivative stories of like medieval nights and
you know, doing night shit. Um. He specifically framed don
Quixote as an attack on quote, vain and empty books
of chivalry. He was trying to destroy a genre of
fiction that he found tepid and not engaging and not
(12:14):
particularly like intellectually valuable. And it's exactly the kind of
fiction that Jordan B. Peterson has based his entire life
view on, right, like that Don Quixote is about, like, God,
all this stuff is lame as hell's like boring. It's yeah,
uh that's of course, yeah, it's it's and like but
(12:34):
also like he brings it up and then doesn't really
even make a point. It's just like he's trying to
he's trying to answer the questions. He's kind of saying,
tilting it windills is good. Yeah, well no, because they
like the the only examples he's given so far are like, yeah, okay,
this this story where it's not really a dragon or
running into traffic, Yeah, those are the two. And he
(12:55):
talks again. I have to cannot emphasize enough. He talks
himself into leaving that running into traffic might be a
good idea than not doing it. All right, but no,
actually like not like completely like ignoring that. Like, by
the way, when you run into traffic, it's not just
like doing a dangerous thing, it's looking a dangerous thing
for potentially hundreds of people who are also who are
(13:18):
like on the road in their cars. It's not just
like this like weird like uh Frogger video game or
like extreme sports. Right, it's not you're not jumping out
of an airplane like getting the rush of that extreme experience.
You're in traffic. People will die. It's silly, man. Yeah, anyway, whatever,
(13:42):
it's amazing how really consistently in this this episode, Cody.
The only parts of Peterson's rants that actually translate into
useful information is stuff that like you're eleventh grade guidance
counselor could have told you in between smoking weed out
behind the building. Stuff like job interviews can be gary,
but you have to do them sometimes on them, like
(14:02):
it's not even like you have to do this sometimes,
like yeah, get better at public speaking. Yeah, I mean
the the the challenge that I have in life, I
should try to like get better at it. Like it's yeah,
the most basic life. Yeah, you don't need to couch
it and it's like dragons and monsters and men to
be like, oh, you're struggling with that, you should work
on it. Yeah you can, you can succeed. I'll help,
(14:25):
Like it's well and also I don't know. Maybe if
you think about it that way, Uh, that's less useful
because I don't know. I just I I lift weights.
I'm not a power lifter or anything like that. But
I've made consistent progress and I just recently hit the
point where I was able to do two full sets
(14:45):
at a new max and it it was it was
something I've been working towards for about a year. And
I didn't think about I want to be able to
bench press two and twenty pounds as if it was
a dragon. I thought about it the way that most
people think about most actual challenges, where this is a
series incremental improvements that I need to make until eventually
I can do the thing. And look, now I've done
the thing. That's nice. Um And when I when I
(15:07):
repeatedly was unable to do it earlier, I didn't think
the dragon has bested me. I thought this is part
of incremental improvement. Is failing in this very simple act
to be described. Um yeah, if it if this helps people, great,
but it seems like an unnecessary abstraction, uh to actual
(15:29):
progress and success. But yeah, it's that's exactly what it is. Is.
It's not like you can think about challenges. This way
you can think about wanting to do, you know, raise
your squats or whatever, or run a mile faster as
a dragon, and maybe that works for you, but it's
I don't know, I think a silly and unnecessary way
to think about going after challenges. Yeah, because this is
(15:51):
like the way, and this is what we talked about
a lot of stuff, but this in particular, this show
for some reason, Yeah, this is the kind of thing
that would be like a children's book. Yeah, he's taking
Billy in the dragons and the dragon is a metaphor
for all the challenges in life. And okay, that helps
children understand what challenges are. But as anyone over the
(16:13):
age of like eight or ten or twelve pick child's age,
understands what challenges are. I think what Peterson has maybe
recognized here that is actually intelligent is that masculinity in
our society is so like broken because people think that
it does rely like that that being masculine involves fighting things.
(16:38):
Was going to because we've built like a world that's
in many ways slightly better than it used to be. Um,
there's not a lot of chances for men to go
fight things because it's actually not very necessary or healthy
if people are fighting all the time. But all of
our media is themed towards venerating physical courage as the
(16:59):
primary expression of masculinity. And so Jordan Peterson recognized that
you can make a lot of money if you dress
up stuff like, hey, maybe practice doing job interviews as
like and you must slay the dragon and defeat your
evil uncle and right, and then like his audience skews
like young white male kind of thing, and so like, okay,
(17:23):
you like fantasy bullshit and you're fucking video games. I'll
talk about it like that. Um, and it's like, yeah,
doing the dishes is like a dragon's like no, it's
the thing you gotta do. It's like those like dude
wipes or like tactical diaper changing bay okay, now cody
tactical Wait wait, I do love I love all of
(17:44):
the tactical diaper changing bags because they're they're made to
look like or tactical like baby carriers. Because anything like that,
anything that's like marketed like it's this everyday thing you do.
But like it's wares are specifically any because they're like
they're made to look like plate carriers, which is like
a plate carriers a thing you wear over your body
(18:06):
that carries armor inside of it and ammunition and stuff
on the outside of it, and like the baby goes
in the place that the body armor that's meant to
absorb bullets. Unbelievable. It's just really funny. It's silly, and
it's like these things that like, I know, I have
to do this in order to get people to act
like this, and that's just what he's doing, I think, honestly.
(18:29):
And I think one of the fundamental things I disagree
with Jordan is he's like, if you think about things
in this way, then it will inspire people to achieve more,
because people are fundamentally motivated by these these grand like
some like archetypes in our heads and symbols from our stories.
And I actually think that's pretty unhealthy. And I think
(18:50):
maybe in a lot of cases, the best thing to
do is to frame stuff like taking care of your
own child and cleaning the dishes as like scrubbing yourself
with soap from time to time, which just like, yeah,
it's just the thing you do. Yeah, well right, it's
the It's the opposite of what he said earlier in
this video. In the previous episode, about like lying and
(19:12):
like manipulating language and stuff and saying untruths, and like, well,
if reality is not is unreality, then how do you fight?
Like It's like, you don't need to talk like this.
You're creating this weird like realm of thought that is
unnecessary in order to do the real things in real life. Also,
this is Dragon's Monsters and men, and he's talking about
what it's like to be a man. I'd be very
(19:34):
curious what he would how he would respond to someone
saying if you're a woman, do you also have dragons?
Or like is it a different metaphor the occasionally and
he in here he does a couple of times, although
it's very clear who's he's angling Cody. Let's move past that.
I want to show you the funniest part of this
fucking episode, the treasures that you can get. Well, the
(19:54):
first thing Dragon's guard is Spurgeon. So there's that. Well,
it's very bizarre story, right, the story of the dragon.
Dragons guard golden and virgins. It's like, what interest do
dragons have in golden virgins? But well, the girl wants
the guy who can overcome the dragon, So that's that's that.
(20:15):
That's dead simple and and obvious to anyone with even
a smidgeon of biological knowledge. That's any any biologist will
tell you, Cody, the dragons love virgins and women the
guy slay the dragon. But also, like, these dragon stories
(20:37):
aren't from the point of view of the woman, you
know they're they're usually like the prize in these stories,
she's not a character, and so it's not about like
what she wants, it's about what he thinks she wants.
So he gets the thing to present as this night
to say whenever. It's funny because Jordan's has recently come
(20:58):
out and said that like he's emotionally moved by being
basically the in cell philosopher. And the reason why a
lot of men are in cells is because they internalize
these ideas about what women want that are created by
men like men like Walt Disney and the nineteen fucking
fifties UM who didn't maybe had never talked to a
(21:20):
woman in an open and honest conversation, UM talk talked
at a woman. But even then with Walt Disney, probably
not all that often, because I don't think women were
allowed to speak at the Disney offices, and I don't
even know if that's a joke. I I don't. I
don't think that was a um Cody. You know it
is a joke. Below prices on gold that our sponsors selling, Cody,
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(22:27):
and you'll just like you'll, you'll mail me your number. Yeah, yeah,
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think one of the things that's funny about that virgin
dragon rant is that you kind of see Jordan's start
to ask himself why dragons want virgins and then realize
there's no reason, right, Like, it's just kind of a
weird thing that likes to think about that now. And
and maybe even like the most famous dragon and all
of fiction didn't do that because Jare Tolkien was just
(23:11):
a little bit better of a storyteller than some of
the folks at Disney. Maybe. Um anyway, Uh, Jordan's is,
I don't know, there's so much that's wrong about that.
Um in stories, like you know, the stories that servants
hated dragons are sometimes yeah, one of I don't know,
(23:32):
have a virgin for some reasons that a night can
rescue her or whatever. But Jordan is he's not talking
about like stories again, He's dropping these things that are
like old storytelling shortcuts and not even particularly good ones, right.
Like we can debate as to whether or not, you know,
the evil uncle or the virgin held by a dragon
(23:53):
is like a good thing to have in a story,
But there are many stories that include like evil and
that include dragons that do not include those tropes, and
in fact, most really good stories don't include those tropes
because they're not particularly necessary and they're boring. Um. Also,
I find it so that whole brief little clip was
(24:16):
so fascinating because also he because he's bringing up like, oh,
also golden virgins, you see, and his explanation for why
dragons will capture virgins was that, well, because women, you know,
they want the man who who defeats the dragon and
any biologists. And he gets so angry about that, like, oh,
(24:38):
we didn't have a lot. Well, that doesn't explain the
virgin part, Mr Peterson, You you ignored that you specifically
said virgins, and then your explanations like, well, women want
the guy who can get things done, what about the
virgin part that you brought up? You brought this up
like it's is still removed from the thing he's trying
(24:59):
to pretend know what to talk about. So much of
like what he has to say is based on like
he he frames it as it's based on these like
immutable evolutionary truths, like hierarchy is a thing that we
know is important because human like creatures of doing it
before there were human beings lobsters you know, are hardwired
(25:19):
for you know, yeah before it's older than trees and
anything like that. There's a reason that it has been
around for so long and and that's why it's the
only way that things can ever be. And it's like, well, actually,
if if if just kind of like raw evolutionary uh
benefit was the only thing that mattered, then um, there's
actually not any reason to seek out a virgin. And
(25:41):
in fact, if you're if all that matters is like
spreading your DNA, finding people who have proven that like
their body type is able to easily and successfully undergo
childbirth would be better than just randomly picking out virgins
because a lot of people, um, who can give birth
die doing it because it's it's hard. Um. And maybe
(26:05):
if you're if all that organisms do is optimized for survival,
that's actually not the best tactic. Yeah. So maybe it's
something else. Yeah, So maybe it's a maybe people doesn't create.
They're not always logical, and we can change our value
systems because often they're silly and self defeating. Maybe everything
(26:28):
in the world and how it should be can't be
explained by just like how evolution worked out, yeah, or
by fucking Disney story tales from the nineteen sixties. Um. Anyway, obviously,
the most harmful thing about this whole dragon in virgin
ship is that, like, actual women in real life, virgin
(26:50):
or not, are not being guarded by dragons. They're human
beings who get to make their own decisions. And the
task of like falling in love is not conquering a dragon.
It's like meeting somebody and building a relationship, which is
very different from fighting an animal. Um. Yeah, and then
and like winning the game because he even he hits
(27:12):
on this earlier of like, well, yeah, it's not like
you want to work on yourself and demonstrate like why
you're a good valuable person and like all these things
and like get skills and do that be a dragon
slayer in his in his language, and prove that you
can be. But it's not the act of doing it
(27:32):
that wins you the the virgin Prize. Yeah, it's it's
all of the things that make you good at fighting
are are not things that make you good in a relationship,
you know, Like it's it's it's it's everything about this
is fundamentally toxic. I'm sure he would disagree with you,
But Dr Peterson actually fight because you know you have
(27:55):
you if you know, if you know your dragons and
she knows her dragons and your dragons can fight each other.
I don't know. I've had to fight a couple of
wild animals, and the tactic that was successful for me
was picking up a big stick and hitting it in
the nose. Um. I have not tried that in a
romantic relationship, but I don't think it would help me.
(28:16):
Probably not. Jean Connery would different. Sean Connery would say different.
You know, m anyway, women are going to be what
would you say, entranced by the man who can keep
the predator away from the infants. I mean, clearly that's
a primary significance. So if you can confront the dragon,
(28:40):
you get the girl. And that's how God only knows
how old that story is, like millions of years old?
What Dr Peterson, There's no story that's millions of years old.
People haven't been telling them from millions of years Just
(29:02):
so silly. He's just trying to say that, like the
act of like a male organism protecting a female organism
from like a predator is like a tale as old
as times like Okay, I don't know it's theoretically we
don't actually know when people started talking obviously, like when
(29:22):
human beings started using words, because we were not writing
at that point. I think like fifty thousand years is
often bandied, but it's possible it goes back like like
two million years. But I will I would be willing
to bet that that is not the way stories were
necessarily framed for two million years, because I I think
(29:43):
evidence suggests that things were a little bit like storytelling
was much less literal for some of those people's because
a lot of things about their belief system in the
way they dealt with the world would have been not
like not been literal in ways that Uh, the way
we talk is because so much of human thought in
(30:04):
speech has been informed by the stuff that happened in
the past. So the first people probably would not have
talked about anything the way that is recognizable. I don't know.
We have not been telling that story for millions of years.
That's where I come come come to ground on um.
I mean, I tend to agree with you that we
haven't been telling that story for millions of years. Yeah,
we absolutely have not. Anyway the episode, sorry, what he's
(30:30):
talking about this he's just such a little sneaky little
word man, because he's not saying I don't think he's
saying like, literally, we've been telling the story of millions
of the years, saying that this the existence of this
event in like this, the manifestation of this dynamic has
existed for millions of years, right like he would he
would describe like, oh, the tale of the of the
(30:52):
little guy, uh making his way up the hierarchy has
been a story told for millions of years. And what
he means is like, yeah, love, just do this. And
so like the act of it existing in the world
is in his mind the story being told, because that's
how he views all this stuff. He's just a weird guy.
He is just he is just a weird guy, Cody,
(31:15):
You know it isn't weird. Third capitalism, Yeah, the third
split screen is pretty great. Um, and so is the
ads that sponsored this podcast. In a way, they're your dragons,
these ads. By throwing some cash on the fucking ground. Ah,
(31:42):
we're back. So the episode kind of starts to end
with more of what I would call meaningless tripe. First,
he says that like, travel is good because it helps
you figure out who you want to be which is fine,
But then he says that like doing this is quote
unquote active aiding the ancestral father, and he compares it
(32:03):
to epigenetics, saying that stressing yourself, stressing yourself cody leads
your genes to activate new modules that give you new abilities.
Talking about leveling up kind of yes, and like getting
skill points, like putting ah unlocked brawler A turn things
(32:27):
on inside of you that you don't even know we're there.
And that's the same as reactivating the ancestral father. It's
the same thing because all that biological capacity is in
some sense nested inside you, maybe coded at the genetic level.
We know that if you stress yourself in particular ways,
especially voluntarily, new genes turn on and code for new proteins,
(32:48):
like you literally build new modules there there in latent form.
It's not much different than you know, when you go
to the gym and you start lifting weights while your
body is going to transform. But it's not going to
do that if you just sit around it a little
little army ways, he was cheering a cheer. He was
doing a little cheer. Look, he gets epigenetics completely wrong.
(33:13):
It does not work that way. It is not like
lifting weights, and it is not unlocking modules that provide
you with new powers. Um. Epigenetics is a real phenomenon,
and it certainly seems accurate to say that there are
things that can be passed on in your d NA
to your descendants and that are passed on into you
from your ancestors in ways that are not super well understood.
(33:35):
But certain things can get switched on by environmental factors.
It is not like unlocking ancient powers. You are not
like becoming your ancestors by unlocking powers that they encoded
in your DNA. And in fact, a lot of like
when this kind of epigenetic phenomenon is observed, it's often
stuff that you wouldn't want to have happened. It's bad stuff.
(33:56):
I'm gonna quote from a little right up in medline
plus on how genes work. That is a pretty basic
rite up I can understand, and I'm stupid quote. A
common type of epigenetic modification is called d n A methylation.
DNA methylation involves the attachment of a small chemical groups
called methyl groups, each consisting of one carbon atom and
three hydrogen atoms, to DNA building blocks. When methyl groups
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are present on a gene, that gene is turned off
or silenced, and no protein is produced from that gene.
Another common epigenetic change is his stone modification. His stones
are structural proteins in the in the cell nucleus. DNA
wraps around his stones, giving chromosomes their shape. His stones
can be modified by the addition or removal of chemical
groups such as methyl groups or acidal groups, each consisting
(34:40):
of two carbon, three hydrogen, and one oxygen atoms. The
chemical groups influence how tightly the DNA is wrapped around
his stones, which affects whether a gene can be turned
on or not. Errors in the epigenetic process, such as
modification of the wrong gene or failure to add a
chemical group to a particular gene or his stone, can
lead to abnormal gene activity or inactivity. All your gene activity,
(35:01):
including that caused by epigenetic errors, is a common cause
of genetic disorders. Conditions such as cancers, metabolic disorders, and
degenerative disorders have been found to be related to epigenetic errors.
It's like, again, I don't understand epigenetics. No one really does.
There's actually One of the major debates is like, is
are there ways in which like trauma is passed on epigenetically,
and it's actually like a lot of people will say, well, yeah,
(35:23):
and you can see it, and you know, there's studies
on Holocaust survivors. We actually don't really have a great
handle on it. And like the degree to which that's true,
if it is, like all of this is I'm not
an expert. There's a lot we don't know about this stuff.
A lot we don't tie it to the spiritual as
it is a thing. It definitely isn't is like you
stress yourself and then gain powers from your ancestors. That's
(35:45):
not epigenetics. And often epigenetics is like, yeah, like a
weird environmental factor caused this like thing in your DNA
to activate and and now you have cancer. So it's
not like I went through I like went through like
a big ordeal. I fought a dragon and I unlocked sharpshooter. No,
it's more like there's errors made when you're like photo
(36:07):
copying stuff, and sometimes those errors can cause serious problems.
I mean, that's not the only thing that Again, EVA
genetics is much more complicated than that little quote that
I've read. I just want to make the point that
he is wrong. He is completely wrong about but he's
a biologist. It is not like lifting weights, but he's
(36:29):
a biologist. So I feel like maybe he's right about everything.
You're right, You're right, Cody, and you know you know
what else you're right about that this fucking episode is
almost over. Um I was right. God bless you for everything,
Mr Cody. Bless us everyone, God bless us everyone, Sophie,
(36:52):
can we play the last minute or so before the
before the credits run. I just want Cody to see
how this all. You can't just give me a second
exit because you didn't mark anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
we weren't planning to have a font maybe the worst
font I've actually ever seen, Like I would prefer Papyrus
or comic sands. Oh okay, you want the last minute? Um?
(37:18):
Fuck me. I don't want to see it. And we
are unfortunately back. We are unfortunately back. It's not much
different than you know, when you go to the gym
and you start lifting weights while your body is going
(37:38):
to transform, but it's not going to do that if
you just sit around. You have to you have to
face your being with the necessity of transformation, and then
all sorts of new things that you had no idea
you were capable of will make themselves manifest, and that's
all part of that pattern of voluntary confrontation that's the
(37:59):
core of any an adventure. Did that make Did that
make any sense to you? Cody? Oh my god? I
need to absorb what's going on in these plays real quick.
(38:21):
We've got kind of again like a Game of Thrones
style fun is going on ending scenes in what is this? Yeah,
it's like we just watched Jordan Peterson like fistfight a
fucking cave bear. This is so intense. Also, whoever sound
(38:45):
designed this? Why did you so much louder than people
are involved in the production? Shall we continue? Like too
many people now? Cody? Oh my god, it's so embarrassed thing.
You've made a lot of videos in your life. Some
of them have been videos of a person sitting and
talking to camera. What how big of a crew would you?
(39:09):
Would you say you need? Is it that many fucking
people know? Um? Well, so with our I mean with
our show, I'm the only guy in the room. We
do it over zoom. We have director and uh teleprompter
virtually um, and there are people on zoom helping out
and like adjusting lights. Um, but its just me in
(39:30):
the room. Um. When we had a studio it was
three people maybe including me. Usually, Um, this is a
little fancier, you know. It's there are two cameras at
least the cameras in motion, so you need to probably
have a boom mic operator following them along so you
don't get the mike and the shot and then another
(39:52):
one for the second camera and maybe the third camera. Um,
so more. I think it requires more than we would
use for sure, but not as many as I saw
on screen. Um. But you know, they need to make
it look again, it's like anything to make it look
more intense than it is because it's just Peterson rambling
(40:15):
about stuff. Um. There. I liked how at times there
was this text on screen, just because you've got to
have something going on, so just like have the words
that he's saying on screen as he says it. Um.
His little last speech was was odd because I mean
(40:35):
we already talked about the genetic aspect of it, but
like what he's just saying. He's trying to say, go
out and like challenge yourself and like learn new skills,
and you know sometimes uh, you know, bad situations can
turn out well, okay, this was the first thing he
(40:59):
said decided needs to be talked about. I can't imagine
what he's going to say. Oh, I think epigenetically, you
actually do understand, because your ancestors had knowledge of this,
just like they knew about your evil uncle who was
the Catholic church and also talking to girls. If I'm understanding,
(41:22):
Dr Peterson promises, I think. I think you are. I've
gone through the stress of listening to him talk, and
now I've unlocked sneak. I have unlocked the skill of
my ancestors, which, as Italians, is cooking spicy meata balls.
(41:43):
Probably like chef. Is the modules you unlocked chef or criminal?
Those are the two options Italians, I guess fascists. So
three we have three options? Yes, Cody, Yes, how are
you feeling? Yes? How was it was episode one of
this what you had expected from Dr Jordan Balthasar Peterson.
(42:06):
It is dragons, monsters, and men, exactly what I thought
it was going to be. Um I I think I
saw a trailer At one point I was like, oh,
so he's just like talking in a chair. Yeah, he is,
just in fact talking at it I will say that
the credit sequence, uh did kind of surprise me a
little bit because it's like, like you expect, like a
(42:26):
little some overwrought, dorky, like intense kind of drag any
kind of stuff, but it was more than I expected.
It was very loud and and like unnecessary, and the
shift from like you see the thing is it's like
so funny and jarring. I love it. No, I don't.
(42:51):
I'm sorry. Cody's fine. It's like I also, I guess
I'm not surprised, but I think it's amusing that it
is like so many of these clips are like heard
him say that before, talks about that a lot. Well
there's a there's a sound, but I've heard ninety times
(43:12):
on various YouTube videos. Um, well, you know, maybe they're
getting their subscribers up and they're going to get that
Gina Kurano sci fi movie penned by the Ben Shapiro
out on Daily Wire Plus. And are they making an
actual sci fi movie? I saw Gina Krano in the
(43:35):
movie about Joe Biden, which includes a lot of editing
that I could do, and I don't know how to
edit because it looks like they're literally just taking like
an MS paint style app and like drawing over frames
funny how like poor the trailer it is dogshit it is.
(43:58):
It's actually like the trailer makes it look like funny bad,
but it really is not. It's just a terrible movie.
I bet I could. But it's like it's it looks
it looks made up, and not in the way that
all movies are made up, but like it looks like
a fake movie that someone is of the run time
(44:20):
is Joe Biden either sitting in a car talking to
his son or his son's sitting in a car talking
to a sex worker and like explaining laboriously crimes that
often don't sound like crimes because they're just like complicated
real estate deals or whatever. I don't know. It's very boring.
The only part of it that was funny is that
(44:42):
so they do you know who Victor Yunakovich was? Is
he was the former president of Ukraine who got overthrown
in two thousand fourteen when he tried to do dictator ship. Anyway,
he's like he looks like a middle manager. He's got
like kind of strong Paul Manafort vibes, just kind of
not a very interesting looking guy, but like a full
(45:03):
head of hair and stuff. The dude they got to
cast him was like bald and jacked. Um, like, they
just got like a huge bald man who was fucking
shredded to play the former dictator of Ukraine for no
reason like there, I don't know why, You're just like,
we gotta make sure this guy is played by a
hot dude who's fucking shredded like it's it's it's nonsense, no,
(45:27):
because he's he's framed as a bad guy because it's
talking about like his he's clearly a bad guy and
he has some shady dealings with Hunter. It's like because
he is a bad I have no idea why they
did it the way they did it. It's it's completely incomprehensible. Um,
oh don't that was your first mistake. Don't try to
comprehend the Hunter Biden movie with Gina Kurano. Yeah, I
(45:49):
will never do that again. Cody, do you have any
plug doubles to plug? Oh the same. Check out some
more news on YouTube and even more news on podcast apps,
and keep your eye out for an album by a
band called the Hot Shapes. That is my band. I
don't know when this episode is coming out, so look
(46:10):
it up. Yeah, it'll come out one of these days,
perhaps during the holidays, so you know, hit your evil
uncle in the face in order to defeat the dragon
of spending Thanksgiving with the people who love you. Yes,
if you're evil uncle is a woman. If your evil
uncle is a woman, then bucker uh kill a dragon
(46:31):
in front of her. Okay, okay, okay, you can figure
it out from here. You're you're now armed with the
knowledge that is mightier than a sword anyway. Unlocked Penmanship
(46:52):
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