The NRA and their Blickies

You'd be surprised how many people inside the gun world actually think we need better laws around guns. But they won't ever speak up. Why?! Prop talks about it with Robert Evans.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Recording in progress. Recording in progress. All right, y'all, welcome

(00:24):
to politics, will prop This is a fun episode. I
got everyone's favorite huh connect here, Robert Evans. I swear
to you, you would be the greatest plug, Like if
you lived in the Inner city I have been occasionally. Yeah,
you'd be the greatest plug because number one, you're fearless,
and number two, it's like you you seem to be

(00:44):
able to get your hands on anything. I mean, you
know I I I used to be a lot more
fearful of that sort of ship like it was a
nice maybe this is just being a white guy, but
leaving the Deep South for California and the West Coast,
it was like, oh, suddenly I'm way less scared about
driving drugs around in my car. That's pretty true. Okay,

(01:08):
So I'm gonna open up the woll before I before
I go to this story, I want to ask you
a question just off the head that I feel like,
I feel like it would be a fun exercise right
now off the head. Can you think of as many
like nickname terms for guns? Right now? Just off the head?
How many nicknames can you think of? Just rabble them? Off? Heater?

(01:31):
A strap, a piece. Uh, I mean nicknames and not
like just like a side arm um a bang stick
um boomstick um yeah, blicky Berner, chopper, you know what
I'm saying, Shopper, Yeah, yeah, I just burner and heater,

(01:52):
I feel yeah, that's those there's your cousins. Yeah yeah,
burner a heater. I just think, uh, there is. I
don't know there's anything besides like sex and guns that
has more nicknames. Yeah. I've always been partial to strap.
I don't know why, but that's the one that I
find most satisfying. I think strap helps. I think strap

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like in a lot of ways. I also feel like
the slang you turn you use for your gun has
a lot to do with like the year you graduated
high school. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
like that, you know what I'm saying. So like, yes,
strap is like, yeah, you listen to nineties rap, you
know what I'm saying. That's why exactly that strap. You
know what I'm saying, Yeah, you know, don't make you

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have to grab my strap, go rat tat tat tat.
If it's chopper, it's like, well, you you've listened to
Southern rap, you know, what I'm saying, like you were
in the trap music, so you know anyway, and then
there's blicky, which is what I name. That's why I
haven't heard that one. Blicky Blacky is what the young
boys use. You know, Yeah, it's blicky. You know a
lot of times. What is what is the etymology because

(02:59):
all the others heater obviously it's hot, right a strap
you like strap a gun on? You know, uh, the
pieces obvious, Like what is what is a blicky? I
have no idea, Robert, Okay, you have no idea where
it came. Bro I just heard the little home he
say it. You hope to say it because I never
know with with the kids sling, I never know if

(03:20):
they're just working with us, right, like if there is
trick the old people into thinking blicky was a thing. Alright, alright,
producer here, producer here, Blicky means a pistol. To blick
someone down is to gun them down. The term blicky
has been used by every top forty rap artist you've
ever listened to in the last five years. Oh okay, okay,

(03:45):
to blick That makes sense because so they turned a
verb into an adverb or a verb into anna it's
like calling it a gap because it's like like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I forgot about get Yeah. That makes so many slings.
There's a lot of slag for guns. Yeah, because of
the obvious love affair that all of America has for God. Boy,

(04:08):
we sure do love guns. God we love these things.
We love guns more than maybe any other country has
ever loved, like a thing that isn't bread or some
sort of dipping oil. Yes, I was gonna say there
anything that's not food or condiment or yeah, because the
way Americans love guns is like is like the way
French people love their bread, or like in Thailand they

(04:29):
love that like chilly oil that they put in stuff,
or like like it's it's like it's it's a kind
it's a comprehensive love that is normally reserved for food stuffs. Yes,
that is that a food stuff that is like such
a like a stand in for your national and cultural identity,

(04:52):
you know what I'm saying, Like like kimchi is a
stand in for what it means to be from this
part of the world. It's feel like that. It's the
same way like hummus. Right, Like there's this massive conflict
over hummus in in in Palestine with the Israelis anyway,
I'm not gonna get into that, but like it's there's
a there's so much identity wrapped up in food and
in America it's like guns. Yeah, yeah, it's not like

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this is our this is our Nigerian jall off Rice
is our guns. This is a glock nineteen. Yes, this
is a glock nineteen. We just loved him things, um,
which is just a matter of observation, not of evaluation anyway.
So sentences the politics, it must start with some sort

(05:36):
of connection to uh inner cityhood living. I'ma tell y'all story,
and then get into what we actually want to talk about.
And I would imagine in Robert, in some way, shape
or form, you may have a similar sort of memory.
M hmm. Maybe not the same, but similar. So I
grew up you people heard this many times. You've heard

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this many times. I grew up in east side of
South Central and then over to area called the San
Gabriel Valley, predominantly Latino area. But what comes with being
in a lot of ways as a person of color
is we still went to church every Sunday, right, and
in going to church, you know, our churches were very
different than sort of white Western evangelical that was worried

(06:20):
about like purity culture and you know, nationalism and stuff
like that. They was just like, don't join a gang
and don't get nobody pregnant. That was the extent of
our youth ministry. That being said, we went off to
youth camp. Right, So we did summer camp like every
other little white wonderbread you know church. We did youth

(06:41):
camp like everybody else. The only difference is youth camp
cost too much. But every year I know this now
as an adult, every year that like summer camp place
used to do a week that was a third of
the price. Right, So that now all the inner city
churches can go, which I didn't know that I thought
I was. I thought I thought it called the same

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as everybody else. I used to wonder why we would
go to youth camp, and it just bed like it
would just be like a bunch of just rival gangs,
rival neighborhoods, because we just we were the inner city churches.
I had no idea that's how it work. That's just
how it works. So anyway, where youth camp, uh you know, dudes,

(07:24):
is like stacking on each other like you're stacking is
like showing gang signs whatever. Right, But either way, you know,
everyone's having different experiences. Some people are having a good time,
some people aren't. Some people not involved in none of
this stuff, whatever the case. Maybe this is the way
sort of youth camp went. So there was one year
that there was these boys that I met that you know,

(07:45):
went to another church like cross town whatever, who decided,
most of them decided that they just ain't like me,
right for whatever reason, I just happened to be their target, right,
which I know you understand that did somebody just decided
I don't like you don't know why they just don't.
So once they decided that, uh, any anything I ever
did was funny, a joke, whatever the case may be.

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Right now now at my church, I mean, we got
some gees, you know what I'm saying, Like, we got
some brothers that are like not even paying that no
attention because they know if it go down, like we
will mop the floor with these dudes. So like, don't
even you don't even need to acknowledge the fact that
they cracking jokes about you, because if it comes down
to it, I'll beat the ship out of these boys, right,

(08:30):
So that's kind of like the attitude of my little
like sort of seventh eighth grade group of guys. Anyway,
last night, of those gotten waight before I say that,
of those guys, there was like one or two of
them that, like I actually made friends with right that
we were cracking jokes. They loved hip hop like I did, whatever, whatever,
whatever the case may be, I kind of made friends

(08:50):
with two of them. At one point at the end
of the last night, I was headed to the bathroom
and it's camp, right, so it's like a big old
shared bathroom sit wastion, right. So I was headed to
the bathroom and I could see the group of dudes
behind me kind of walking a little further behind me
right now. As I was headed to the bathroom, the

(09:11):
two that were my friends caught up to me, right,
and we're just talking whatever whatever, Hey where you you know? Hey,
so you know when y'all bust leaving whatever whatever. So
we're just talking about that, and then he whispers, don't
go in the bathroom, and then just kept talking, you know,
and I was like what and he was just like
he's just like real quick, not like don't go in there.
Don't go in there. So I was like, he goes,

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but if you are, he just whispering. If you go in,
just go right back out, right. So so I was like, Oh,
they're gonna jump me. They're gonna jump me in the bathroom, right.
So at first I was like, I scared of these
folkso said, that's my first thought, right, But then but
then I looked behind me and I was like, it's
actually a lot of y'all, you know. And I wasn't
with none of I wasn't with none of my boys. Like,

(09:53):
I was just walking by myself. So I was like,
by the time any of my friends get here, I
probably have had a couple of concussions. So it's like
the way fights work, if you're fighting experience comes from movies,
is that is that if you're one person and there's
multiple people, you're going to lose the fight, right, Like
it doesn't really even matter like training whatever. Every now

(10:14):
and then you get somebody who's like a freak at that,
but you're generally you're just gonna get your ass feats. Yes,
they're not going to attack you one on one. They're not.
It's not in a single file that they attack like movies. No,
you're gonna get piled on, You're just gonna get wailed, yes,
And I'm like, it's urinals, it's toy Like, I'm like,
a nasty stuff can happen? A yeah, I'm not going

(10:35):
in there. So that's what I did. I just went
in and went out right, And I did look back
until I was far enough away, and I saw Autumn
dudes looking out the other door and then looking back
at their homies that the guys that that gave me
the clue, right, And I can't hear what they saying,
but I could see them kind of being like basically
like what the funk man, like you know what I'm saying,

(10:57):
and then being like, oh, I don't know, you know,
right whatever, just then playing it cool like I don't know,
like whatever, you know. All that to say, even though
that they're a group of people decided that this is
the way we felt about this dude, there's no way

(11:17):
of telling that if everybody actually felt that way, because
it's possible that more than just those two dudes was
like why are we why do we even care about
this fool? Like what what difference does it make what
he's doing or not doing you know what I'm saying,
But the rules are you just can't speak up because

(11:42):
even if you do, even if you like, I'm down
for the them, down for the set, But like I
just I don't. I don't. I don't know why we
why we're so worried about that. Actually, I think I
kind of think some of this is stupid. You know
what I'm saying, But you're not gonna say nothing. You're
not allowed to say nothing it. But but what what
happens is oftentimes you're not the only one that feel

(12:05):
that way. Matter back, most of y'all feel that way.
And then what the Homie Jojo with the Homie Jojo
said is sometimes some of the stuff like that the
set gotta do is because just because you're O g like,
got his feelings hurt from some girl, and now y'all
gotta beef with this block. But it's really just because
you're ology just got his feelings heard from some girl,
and like, but nobody's saying nothing, you know what I'm saying,

(12:28):
because you gotta follow whatever that person was saying to
do because they in charge. Yeah, I mean no, that
like everything works that way, like to a degree, Like
that's like, uh why a lot of Like you can
you could get on Twitter and see like what the
what the rage machine is like going after every day

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and half the time it's like it's shipped like that.
It's like somebody somebody had a beef with somebody else,
and so now everybody's angry at like a whole group
of people, right, Like I mean, it's it's it's history too.
It's like it's the fucking it's World War One, right, Yeah,
nobody wanted to go in, but like somebody fucked with
like somebody else's friend, and so now we all got

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to get in, ye and now we all like it's
it's snowballs. Like one dude gets fucking clapped, and like
because of that, it winds up being twenty million people
get fucking clapped. Like that's the way the people work, right,
It's the way that people were. The psychology isn't any
different when it's like a neighborhood as opposed to you know,
the Hollands allern Empire, right exactly. And also the way

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that the n r A has a death grip on
the right wing. There we go, there's where we're at. Yeah,
I want to talk about Yeah, I want to talk
about this, uh this research that from Michael's Dr Michael Siegel, Yes,
Siegel from Tough University did where he surveyed the way

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that he's like right wing Republican and r A you know,
gun supporting people actually feel about restrictions on the Second Amendment. Yeah,
and that and why ain't nobody saying that, Well, yeah,

(14:34):
that's a that's a that's a broad topic, right because
it relates um, an awful lot of I mean, this
is something that that gets brought up, perhaps not enough,
but like a ton of different restrictions. Like when when
you talk about stuff like assault weapons bans and whatnot, um,
like bands on specific weapons or even things like maccaps,

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it gets a lot more controversial. But there's a bunch
of stuff that like gun owners are broadly supportive of
and the like, which like universal background checks, and then
there's stuff that gun owners are supportive of depending on
how you bring it up to them. Right, the red
flag laws have been heavily politicized, um, and so if
you say, like, do you support red flag laws, and
a lot of gun owners heads, they'll think about whatever

(15:15):
it is. Fox News warned them, red flag laws were were.
But if you say, like, hey, if some dude like
beats the ship out of his wife and kids, should
he be able to buy a gun? They'll be like,
of course not right, So yeah, yeah, And I'm one
of the most important things that the n r A
has done over the last there I mean, it's been
like forty years, but it's really escalated since since about

(15:37):
two thousand. Um. One of the most important things they've
done is flatten any kind of discussion about gun control
to confiscation of all guns versus nothing right um and
if you can this is this is not the n
r A pioneered this, and we talk about this in
an episode of a three party on Behind the Bastards

(15:59):
coming up. They're not the only thing that this has done. Basically,
the idea is that the right wing recognized early on
and and really started moving towards us in the nineteen
seventies that the best thing to do was to build
single issue voters whose single issue was something they would
not compromise on and that the Republican Party would make

(16:20):
central to their um to their actives. And abortion is
one of these right um. Guns is another. And the
beauty of a single issue voter is you don't have
to improve their lives. You don't have to like fix anything,
you don't have to be good in any aspect of governing.
All you have to do is stand with them on
that single issue. Are you exactly exactly? Um? And you

(16:41):
know that is disastrous, has been disastrous for the concept
of democracy. It's been disastrous for like the potential future
of the human species. But it's very smart politics, Like
this is objectively good politics. Brilliant. Yeah, you've you've you've
already gotten to the punch line at the show, which
is great. Um. So let's let's uh, let's uh reverse

(17:05):
engineer the point that Robert just made, which is the
point of this episode, which is you create a person
into a single issue voter. Either you down with us
or you not down with us, right, and it works,
you know. Uh. So, like you said, there are four
laws that, according to this research, uh, that would probably

(17:28):
drop gun deaths by and they say that like sevent
of gun owners would actually support this if it's presented
to them correctly, like you said, the permit requirements, red
flag laws, uh, universal background ground checks. But yeah, the
idea of like if a person has a history of

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violence probably probably shouldn't. Yeah, man, if you're sucking hitting
your kids, like right, that's not a you have. You
have a right. People who are program control don't like
to talk about it this way, but you do. You
have a human right to own a firearm. So of course,
if you're talking about restricting people's human rights, which you
are with gun control, you have to be careful about
how you do it because among other things, that can

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the consequences of that can extend beyond guns, because that's
the way that like jurisprudence works. But it's pretty well
established that if you do violence to people, you can
lose certain rights, and broadly speaking, we all seem to
be fine with that, Like that's just this is just yeah,
it's like this is what what for some reason why
of democrats don't know how to talk. But when they

(18:32):
say things like common sense laws, like the fact that
when it comes out of a mouth it sounds condescending,
but it's what it is. It's like, no, for real,
like we do this all the time. If you violate
certain social codes, you kind of don't get those rights
that are expected of those who participate in society. You know,

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and if if I could have notes for them. Like
one of the things would be, when you're trying to
talk about this, don't use terms. If you call it
a red flag block right, right, then the right wing
media can take that and describe define a red flag
law the way they do, which is like, oh, they're
going to define being conservative as like, you know, a
red flag and one, and then they're going to take

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your guy if you if you instead say we should
take guns away from people who hit their spouses and kids, right,
it's hard to argue with. Yeah, and it gets to
the core of what you're trying to do, right, yes, um, yes,
but what but what radicalization does is what you explain
is you boil it down to a sense of what

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we're getting to. You boil it down to a sense
of identity. This that this thing is a stand in
for who we are, right, So to abridge that is
to abridge me as a person, you know, And that's
uh a lot of times even in in like in
a city outreach, when we tell you, you know what

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I'm saying, you're trying to get this kid did off
his flag, and it's like you're asking me to drop
who I am, you know, and then, but there's a
lot of work into understanding. I understand where your brain
goes with that. I understand the history of your relationship
to this thing. However, it does not have to be
this way, right, Yeah, he means so, yeah, you know

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about your boy Harlan Carter. Yes, we're again. We're doing
like a three part of our Bastard's about him. Yeah, okay,
hardly about him specifically. Yeah, he is. He is one
of the most important people to know about to understand
how we got here. He really he's like I think
he's one of those names that like, yeah, bro, like

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you make a movie about him where it's like his
effect on the life we live now. The fact that
there isn't more constant on him is either a proves
his brilliance or b is like, oh, y'all, we missed
a biggie, you know, because of who he is. Now,
I could do I got notes on him, but you're

(21:40):
about to do that. Terms like seems like this is
a promo for what are the ones you got coming
up now? Since apparently you're doing that, Uh, and you
can run I could do a quick overview. You can
do a quick overview' up to you yeah, I've just
done it. Um, So yeah, let's let's let's have you
hit it and um. Because I'm interested in talking about
him in the context of like he he he what

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he did to the n r A to take it over,
and it's not obviously his his part. Part of what
I think is important about the story of Harlan Carter
is that like he hits both the militarization of the
police and the birth of American gun culture as exists, um,
which is crucially important. But like the way he the
way he whipped things together in the n r A

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is um it was. It was some fucking hood politics,
it really was. Yes, yeah, so pre nineteen seventy seven
n r A was not the n r A that
we know of. You know, started off at the end
of was the Civil War, right the war, and in
the Civil War it was like all right, you got
these like hotheads that kind of don't really know how

(22:50):
to shoot, you know what I'm saying, And like, okay, listen, man, teacher,
how to shoot. You know what I'm saying, take care
of your weapon and of a fundamentally good place, which
is that boy. I wish I wish our Northern inner
City kids were better at shooting Confederates. Yes, yes, that
was just which is a noble goal. Yes, was just like, look, man,
it's how you out a gun. You feel the uh

(23:13):
you know, it is how you as what you do
is I take care of your gun. Just normal gun safety,
you know, and basic marksmanship, basic marksmanship, you know what
I'm saying. And and obviously like the idea of like
none of them were like what we would call Second
Amendment absolutists. Like no, the Second Amendment. What no one

(23:33):
talked about. It, no one talked about was that it
was a it was there had not, there was not
up until fairly recently, like within the twentieth century, the
Supreme Court like basically didn't touch the Second Um. It
was it was not like a big part of this
is that everyone like guns were not restricted very much
in many places in the West, right because they just weren't.

(23:57):
An individual firearm was not yet particularly threatening, right yeah, yeah,
you know. And then into the Black panthers, right right,
there's a go ahead, Yeah no, no, no no, police, give
your bed, and then I'll say the thing I was
gonna say into the Black Panthers, which was like just

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like what happens with everything America does. Once black people
realize it's like, oh wait, we could do that too,
then everybody goes wait, hold on now, wait wait wait, wait,
hold on now. Right? So uh, an interesting example this
seeing how we're in our our mid term and you
know out here in Cali we just sent off our

(24:39):
our our primary ballots. Uh. Funny thing about the end
of mass slavery in the beginning of reconstruction. The weird
middle between that and the Black codes was once we
got the right, we had rights to vote, you know
what I'm saying. Once we was finally set free, and

(25:00):
what did we do? Well, we voted right and caused
some problems. And that was the problem because we started putting.
It was like all black governments because there was more
of us. And we was like, well, you're telling me
I get to say as to who in charge, Well,
I want my uncle in charge because he ain't gonna
with me. That man never owned me. Right, So it

(25:21):
worked right, and once it worked, just like hold on
now wait this this this working too good. So they said, okay,
now we can't have everybody vote. You can vote if
yo grandmama could vote. Right, it was like Okay, yeah,
fother what we're doing here. It's like it's like I

(25:42):
get it. That's like very sneaky, but yes, yes, it's
like oh so okay, I see what you did. Dare
you know what I'm saying? Uh so, so take that
theory about like, oh crap, it actually works. Was the same, Well,
the Pathers realized it's like, wait a minute, we have
to right to bear arms. Yeah, and all thanks to
the First Civil Rights Act there were that's what like

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because initially after emancipation, there was like a whole a
year or two where it was like, well they still
don't there's nothing that guarantees these people rights even though
they've been emancipated. And then Congress was like okay, fuck
you like yes, yeah exactly and yeah. So after that point, yeah,
and this was like not it didn't start with the

(26:25):
panthers because there's like, um, what was it that it
was in nineteen nineteen when there was like that series
of like mass lynchings and stuff like. Yeah, of like uh,
black communities being like, we have a right to bear
arms and all these people want us dead. We should
probably we should get some guns. Yeah you know what
I'm saying so like like, don't think we pacifist. You
feel me like, yeah, I'm a passive fists. Yeah exactly.

(26:49):
There's if you've had like members of your family murdered
in the woods by mobs, you're you can't really be
a pacifist. No, you're gonna carry guns, saying so do
something right. So, yeah, so you know we you had
open cary laws. He was like, all right, well you
say we could have them. So we've been to have
them and they say, wait, wait, hold on, hold on,

(27:09):
we want y'all to have them. Yeah, that's whoa what
made you think you guys? Wait, you had this right.
We didn't think this through. So so you know, the
n R change day tune wants the uh wants the
panther started actually listening to what I had to say.
And there was there's an article that just came out
today as we would record this in Salon that was like, um,

(27:33):
let me, I haven't pulled up here because it was
a pretty incredible, pretty incredible title and an example of like, hey, guys,
maybe rethink the way you're framing something. Um, where is this? Okay? Yeah,
So there's this article in Salon when Ronald Reagan's racism
saved lives, armed black men ment immediate gun control. Now

(27:56):
they deleted that tweet and I think renamed or maybe
even cut the article. I haven't checked, but like, oh my,
guess you could just not say that. Yeah, there's a
lot you can say about guten control that isn't that. Yeah,
we don't need to make that point, hey man, Yeah,
maybe not, maybe not say everything ogging you know, it's

(28:18):
this thing that keeps like you you catch this and
again not to say that obviously it's not racist to
like look at children getting a massacred in the school
and being like the funk we we have to be
able to do something like not making that claim in
any way, but you do. There is this strain of
like liberals who will repeatedly bring up like, well, you know,
if we just gave every black man an a R fifteen,
there'd be a gun control and it's like, guys, that's

(28:40):
not really that's still pretty the thing to hit, you know,
like pretty racist, Like I don't know if you know
that need to make that point, yes, yeah, man? So yeah,
so income to panthers day change a story. There's this coup,
like a literal coup in nineteen seven seven with this

(29:01):
guy Harlan Carter, who essentially radicalized he took over the
leadership Bohich, I wish I wouldn't know what that look
like like practically, like how did that actually look? I
can tell you that you can. You don't go into
much detail about this and the the show, but yeah,
So it's the way the n r A worked is
like and and it's not like specifically the n r A.

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The n r A is like a type of organization
that there's like a legal framework for in the United States.
And it's one example of that. Um, Like people will
bring up a lot that, um, they didn't cancel their
their membership meeting and I think it was Colorado after
the after column mine. Um. And a thing that like
the n r A defenders will note and kind of

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like its defense is that like, well, it's legally required
for us to hold a voting meeting and to give
people X number of days of like warning about like
where it's going to be, so we couldn't change the meeting,
but like we canceled a bunch of anyway whatever. There's
like a type of structure for an organization at the
n r A is. And one of the things that
means is that you have this like managing council basically

(30:06):
a board of directors, right, and you have some like
elected officials who are run the n r A and
as a general rule, they're in charge of of like
what the n r A does and says, right, But
you also have a group of lifetime members, and the
lifetime members get a vote, right, And it's kind of
like if you can get enough lifetime members to like

(30:28):
agree to motions in the room during this yearly meeting,
they can pass motions and whatnot without the board of
directors type organization or the elected officials wanting that or
saying that. Right. It's kind of like, you know, you
could like it's almost like they have kind of a
republic democracy sort of set up. But there's also this

(30:51):
you could the people, you know, the people who are
lifetime members can do a um um can do like
a what's the fucking term when you like just pull
the electorate on something and make the make a law
based on that. UM. I don't know, it's like a plebiscite, right,
So if you can, if you can whip and this
had not really ever been done before, right, like it was.
It was like it was kind of like a procedural

(31:13):
thing where like, oh yeah, technically they could like all
vote and just add things to like the n r
A charter directly and like dismiss the board. It's possible,
But like it never mattered, right, Like it mattered was
who was on the board and who was like the
the elected leaders at that point and whatnot. And so
it was very much like there's this kind of like
gentrified aristocracy that was running the n r A, and

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Harlan Carter and this other fucking dude who was a
popular editor for a bunch of different gun magazines got
together and whipped a bunch of votes right like they would.
They spent like the entire year beforehand going around to
people going around a different lifetime members, prominent folks within
the n r A community, people who were like kind
of celebrities within that world, and getting them to get

(31:57):
their friends on board. And then they like rented a
bunch of hotel rooms during the event and spent days
like getting all of their people in line for the
big voting meeting um, and then when it happened, basically
they just put enough people who agreed with them in
this massive room where they were doing what was supposed
to be kind of a pro forma vote thing to
like decide on you know, a couple of minor is

(32:20):
not not even mine. It. There was like they wanted
to the n r A old Guard wanted to put
together like a sporting center in Colorado, which these guys
didn't like because they saw it as like a move
towards the n r A is just a sporting organization,
is supposed to a Second AMENDNAC organization. So they got
all these people together in the room and like mobbed
them and fucking it was um. You know, they basically

(32:42):
swarmed them and had so many people there that they
were able to vote out the old Guard and like
vote in a bunch of things, including a statement that
the n r A was a Second Amendment advocacy the
organization um and like it took it over. Harlan Carter
was running the n r A by the end of
the meeting. He walked into the meeting having resigned from
the n r A like a year ago, and he

(33:03):
left the meeting in charge. Crazy look and and that
that is like that is a master class in how
to do politics. What you just laid out. That's a
master class in policy. He did the thing that the
right always does, which is they like look at what
the letter of the rules and then figure out a

(33:25):
way that those haven't been used yet so that people
won't expect them to like take power in that way. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
So yeah, so that food did that. Um little story
about him. When he was a teenager, he shot a
little Mexican boy, got away with it, Casiano. Ye, when

(33:46):
he was seventeen. When he was seventeen, he shot a
little fifteen year old. He used to lead the US,
the US border patrol. He started Operation wet Back. You
heard me, he started Operation wet Back, right. So, this
militarization of our borders, Yeah, it's the birth of like
the idea not just of like a border patrol, but
of a border patrol that's militarized and that can act

(34:08):
anywhere near a border, So not just the southern border,
but anywhere within a hundred miles of a border, which
is like two thirds of the US population. There's just
a Supreme Court ruling today on Bivens, which is like
a this kind of precedent case that basically the Supreme
Court said, actually, we don't think the federal government can
regulate what what the Border Patrol does in anyway. That

(34:31):
was essentially their claim that like, well, yeah, border patrol
like bust into your house. They don't need a reason.
Um wow, yeah, Like it's it's a pretty fucked ruling.
We'll see how exactly it shakes out. I don't want
to get into too much detail because I'm not a
lawyer and the ruling just came out, but like he's
the start like all of these fucking problems that we
have with CBP, which is easily like our worst law

(34:53):
enforcement agency. Um, start with Harlan Carter. Yeah that man,
I gotta think about that. Yeah, it's pretty not great.
That's dope. But yeah, the you know, slanging tanks two cops,
And obviously we have this like you know, you we

(35:14):
have this bloated spending in our military, you know, for
for like wars they're not fighting, right, and you just
got all this like yeah like insurgents fighting surplus stuff
that you gotta try to get your money back from
and you just sell it to cops, right, So when

(35:35):
you sell it to cops, and then what we talked about,
you know who we we I know, I still get
messages to this day about the behind the police thing.
But yeah, like that's a super dope like recruiting video.
If it's like, dude, you want to you want to shoot,
You want to shoot a desert eagle, you know what

(35:56):
I'm saying. You want to drive a tank, but you're
afraid to go overseas to fight a war. Yeah, you
could die over there. These people don't shoot back, you
know what I'm saying. So it's such a great, uh
recruiting thing. But anyway you could trace that back to
this full Harlan Carter. Harlan Carter. I wish somebody would

(36:21):
have slapped a ship out of him at some point.
I mean, it's it's the kind of thing where like
he grows up his dad is. So this is one
of the things. The US Mexican border, as as it
is now in like the way that it is conceived
of and thought of by people, Maybe it's like a
hundred ish years old, right, yes, because it used to

(36:41):
just be like this area where people lived and technically
it was the border between two countries. But also like
it took fucking if you were like in the government
in Austin in Texas. It took like days or weeks
to get out there. Right like that, they were not
like realistic concerns about immigration for a while because it

(37:02):
was just like not within the state's capacity to really
worry about too much. This starts to change in the
early nineteen hundreds. Um. And one of the first, like
one of the thing that Harlan's Carter's dad is a
part of because he's one of the very first border
Border Patrol agents. There's this city called the Rado, which
is where he grows up and where he kills Raymond Casian.
It's like a border town and it's primarily Mexican. Um.

(37:25):
And it's so because it's primarily Mexican. It's run by Mexicans,
right because it was Mexico two decades ago. Yeah, they
like and and and nobody really thought much about it,
but he thought about it. The Border Patrol sends a
guy in and he's like, holy fuck, all these Mexicans
are in charge down here. Um. And like the Border
Patrol is friendly with the local police who are Mexican.

(37:48):
We got to change that. So they like clean house
at the Border Patrol. They send in guys in the
Border Patrol like does drive by shootings of the police station. Um, yeah, yeah,
it's it's fucking gay shit. Um. And they take over,
like they take over the town in order to like
force a white spacis kind of like system over it, right.

(38:10):
And Harlan Carter's dad is the one doing that right
at the same time that he murders a Mexican kid, um,
claiming that he thought the kid had stolen his mom's car.
Like this kid is out by a swimming hole by
the way when this happens. So that's like Harlon Carter,
like this was not like an accident. Harlan Carter was
a was a conscious soldier of white supremacy, um, going

(38:31):
out of his way to to do it better. Um.
And he was good at what he did. Um, which
is not great, not great at all anyway anyway, he

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means so in r A and they're gonna take it

(39:21):
from our cold dead hands. Thanks Charleston Heston, you know, um,
which you know brings us again more to the to
the modern era where it became such a again an
identity flash point as far as like you know, it
was almost like like you said, this single person voters
thing you could almost see this like mad. It's like

(39:45):
this mad like almost like hungry, hungry hipposts. It's just
like mad grab for what issue is gonna belong to?
What people? So like this identity around guns, it was
just like Reagan and him was like dips, you know,
I'm saying like that was ours, right, Yeah, after he
started gun control in California, after he started gun control

(40:05):
of California, which is like just the most bizarre things.
So anyway, um, it brings us to why in the world,
like how do you how do you get to a
place where surveyed of Republican gun owners who think that
there are some laws that actually makes sense, but won't

(40:27):
nobody say nothing? Why can't we get our elected officials
to do what your people is asking you to do?
And it's easy to just be like, well, it's the
n r A, because it kind of is. But what
what do they got? Like why y'all so scared of them?

(40:48):
Like that's that's one of the one of the interesting
questions that you know, we could ask if our politicians
are you so scared of him? Like what what they
got that we don't what you're Yeah, I'm mean, you know,
it's a it's a couple of things. So the n
r A after he takes over, I think a UM,
the modern n r A. One of the moments that

(41:08):
people will really say is like kind of the thing
that like is a useful kind of chapter point in
the history of the n r A is UM. I
think it was two thousand when Charlton Heston, you know,
holds that fucking ancient rifle up from my whole day.
And again it's at one of those in there was
justin nr A meeting, right like, it's it's one of
those yearly members meetings that he does this UM that's

(41:30):
generally picked as as kind of the moment, and part
of why is that you have Hart Carter steers it
towards Second Amendment like absolutism, and they start building on that.
They become very effective at lobbying, but they're not immediately effective.
And in one of the areas in which you can
see them being like less effective than they became is
that in nineteen ninety four, the Assault Weapons Band passes, right. UM.

(41:52):
A lot of debate over the degree to which it worked. UM.
There were less mass shootings under it. Actual gun violence
not really different as result of it like overall, this
gets into broader questions of like what gun violence actually
looks like versus what gun violence tends to get on
the news, because our fifteens are not a particularly common
gun used in gun violence compared to small handguns, which

(42:15):
is like nearly the vast majority. But anyway, that's outside
of the point you saw weapen span gets pass um.
It is past. A lot of other stuff is happening,
including you have Waco, you have Ruby Ridge, you have
the home the city bombing in this kind of period
immediately before and after the a w B, so a
lot of what happens with that is tight into the
militia movement. A lot of the militia movement UM is

(42:38):
kind of born in the shadow of the assault weapons
ban UM and the Republicans kind of it. It's it
takes you know, it's it's law for about a decade,
UM for a decade, and then it comes up basically
for renewal in two thousand four. And by the time
two thousand four comes around. In that decade, the n

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r A has kind of solidified its position as the
most effective fundraising arm of the Republican Party. UM A
few years like twelve years after that, they'll give thirty
million dollars to Domin campaign at the least, right, and
like you know, it's hard to actually know how much
they give. The bag is too big. The bag is huge.
They give a lot funkload of money to George W. Bush.

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And so George W. Bush does two things. One he
does not his administration there's no attempt to renew the
assault weapons Ban UM. And then the other thing he does,
like the next year, there's a push by the n
r A to put through this like law that makes
it impossible, basically makes it impossible to sue gun manufacturers

(43:41):
for what's done with their guns. UM. And there's a
couple of other things that happened in a similar time frame,
including Republicans And this is in the late nineties early
two thousand's strip all funding from the CDC to research
gun violence, UM and to research like what happens like
what what what is the health impact of guns? Rit? Large? Right, UM.
So all of this stuff is happening in this kind

(44:03):
of decade after the passage of the assault weapons Ban,
which really accelerates the growth because they have this the
the a WB is seen as this is proof that
they're coming for everything, right, like this was the first. Um,
You'll get a lot of statements like registration means confiscation,
all this kind of stuff, sometimes not helped by Democratic

(44:24):
politicians who will literally say they want to confiscate all guns. Um.
But you get this. That decade is really and Carter
is dead by this point, but he he builds the
machine that makes that decade of activism. And this is
really that that ten year period two thousand and four
is the most effective period in the n r AS history. Um.

(44:46):
They're influential after that, but obviously in the last couple
of years they've started to fall apart as an organization.
So really Carter builds this machine and he hands it
off to Wayne Lapierre and from nine to two thousand
five or six, it really it lays a lot of
the groundwork for making it kind of impossible to have
not to have conversations about gun control that are productive

(45:08):
or to pass laws that are productive. Because in two
thousand you get Emmerson v. United States, which is the
first Supreme Court case that makes it that that recognizes
the second as an individual right. UM. And it's not
really clear entirely what that means until d C versus
Heller in two thousand eight, and one of the things
DC versus Heller says is that like you can't you

(45:28):
can't just say people can't own a class of firearm, right, um,
like a handgun, right, Like you can't just say no handguns,
you know, like like what Canada is at something to
do right now, Like you're not allowed to do that.
And then in two thousand and ten the Second Amendment
gets incorporated. So really that like ten is kind of
the most important period of actual things the n r
A accomplishes. And because of rampant corruption on behalf of Lapierre,

(45:51):
they start to fall apart after that. But the things
that they've set up, both legally and and culturally, and
the cultural stuff particularly started under Characas. He was a
big absolutist. He was a big believer of their coming
for your guns. This is like part of a communist takeover.
This is part of like people who are not white
trying to take over the country and like we need
these you know that. Um that is is uh, yeah,

(46:15):
that's what that's what goes down. Yeah, man, thanks for that.
Yeah that uh, drying of the concrete that like this
is the discussion. This is the only way we look
at it. And if you look at this any differently,
you out the set is is it? It took that

(46:39):
decade to get there. And I'm even like tripping, like,
who'se homie that just got like the homie that just
got like, uh, you know, busted for corruption that was
leading it. What's the homie's name? Oh fucking Wayne Lapierrea. Yeah,
I was Wayne Lapierre. But they still just didn't they
just read they just read still like he's there's some good.
There's a good podcast. Asked on what happened in the

(47:02):
n r A one secon I'm gonna look this up
because people should listen to it, uh, because it really
goes into like how fucking corrupt and shitty he is,
but he's still in charge and that I think that
I think that is a credit to how effective Carter
was turning the n r A into an unparalleled like

(47:24):
political Yeah, we've really never seen nothing like it. That
like you, no matter what anyone actually thinks or feels,
you got a total line and you can't you know
what I'm saying. So and that and the idea of
like turning an issue into your very identity is a
power that I feel like, uh for this is like

(47:48):
why her politics exist because it's like we understand that.
I understand how that happens. You know. What I'm saying
is that an issue becomes an identity and to break
that is very, very very difficult. And another thing that
the n r A does that Democrats have never understood

(48:09):
and I don't know if they ever will, is the
political value of setting the definition. Because they're they're the
worst at this, They're unbelievably And this is a thing
I was a debate kid, right, when you when you're
doing a competition debate, you start with your definitions, right,
And there's the logical argument to be made. If you're

(48:29):
having an actual friendly debate over issues with like somebody
that you care about and you're both willing to like
learn something, it's very helpful to start with. Here is
what I mean when I say the first, you know, whatever,
first Amendment. Here's what I mean when I say like government,
like liberty or whatever. Like, Here's what I mean when
I say Here's what I mean when I say a
red flag law. Right, Here's what when when I say

(48:50):
red flag law. This is what I'm what I mean, right,
if you're having a good faith discussion, it's useful to
do that because then you're not arguing against a shadow. Right, Like,
I think we've all been in a situation where you're
like having an argument with somebody you care about, and
then you realize that you're not actually disagreeing, you just
are defining different the same thing in different ways. And
so like that's where the arguments coming up. That happens

(49:11):
between people of good will. If you're not a person
of goodwill, if you want to just like fuck the discussion,
then you And then again, the right does this with
everything you hop in and you say, a red flag
law means a law that will allow the police to
take guns away from Republicans because they yeah, because they
believe in this or they believe in that, like the

(49:31):
they'll define you know, that is a a um and
and this is again part of what's toxic about this
is that it it makes it impossible to have important discussions.
So an important discussion about our red flag laws. Okay,
we're saying we want to take guns away from people
who are violent, people who make threats. Um, let's make
sure this law is written in such a way that

(49:53):
the police cannot just say, well, I think being a
BLM organizer is you're mentally unstable, so let's go bust
into this guy's house and take his gun and know
we got shot. That's a real fear. It's a real
fear that they might say, oh, if you're trans that's
a mental illness, you don't get to have guns. That
is a real legitimate fear. Absolutely, and of course, to
be to be entirely fair, it's not unreasonable for conservatives

(50:13):
to be like, well, if if you're gonna make a
red flag law, I want to know that you're not
going to define my politics. Is making me like that
is not an unreasonable fear. But when you just say
that's what this is, and when you you start fearmongering
about then there cannot be a discussion about it, right
because you have defined the law in such a way
that like this is. And if you're if you have

(50:34):
more competent people who were Democrats about this sort of thing,
they would be pushing against them. And I think doing
stuff more like saying, let we want a law to
take guns from people who hit their wives and kids. Right,
we wake a law to take guns away from people
who threatened mass shootings. Right, clear, that's what we want. Right.
That's harder to fight than like just saying we want
a red flag lag to find a like right, this

(50:54):
is again and this is what the the n r
A pioneers this and now it's everything right now, it's
um the like the right is in the process of
defining support for LGBT rights. It's like support for grooming. Grooming. Yes,
it's like yeah, if you say this, then that means
you're that. And by the time you start arguing with them,

(51:15):
because some chunk of people are going to get are
going to like get caught up in that, and we'll
start like being like, well, obviously I don't like this
or I don't like that, and so like this must
not be okay, and so like let's have a discussion
about what stuff we should be and like then you're
on their side. Yeah, no matter what, even if you
think you're being reasonable, you have yielded the floor to
these files. Um. And that's that's and that's really like

(51:39):
really that's like that to me, what you're saying is
dull because that's like that's that's the type of training,
Like you said, like a lot of us need to
have to where it's like I'm not gonna let you
define my terms. And and it's this especially range true
for black people because you're now all of a sudden
and I feel like black people is not letting you

(51:59):
have it. Like you can't define woke. I don't care
what the funk you say it is. That's not what
it is. You know what I'm saying. You can't want
critical race theory. You're just telling each other that's what
it means. Yeah, we know that's not what it means.
On what the you talking about? You know that they've
done with Sorry, Yeah, but like that's incredibly important. What
you've said, what they've done with critical race theory is
the same ship. It's the n r A playbook, and

(52:21):
it it makes it impossible. It makes it impossible for
you to have a productive discussion, and it makes it
impossible for them. Two, it makes it impossible for their
voters to think about stuff like if you actually I mean,
among other things, yeah, it's it's. Yeah. My biggest fight
with that is most of the time is like you
don't even know what it means. So I can't even
I don't even know what we're arguing over like because

(52:44):
you don't know what it means. What you're saying is
not critical race theory. What you're saying is teaching about history.
You're scared of a boogeyman that isn't really. You're scared
of a boogeyman that isn't really. You made that up,
and now you're going to engage with this. It's not happen, yes,
Like what makes it of is not a thing, and
you need to like you're just trying to justify censorship,

(53:06):
Like that's the that's the appropriate response. But they keep
getting caught up and this is it's amazing. Again. One
of the things that's important about studying Carter and studying
the history of the n r A is this is
a very old set of strat tactics super um and
it ext it's um in a lot of ways. It's
like early ship posting, right, but you there's not they're not.

(53:27):
I amn't seeing the fucking Dems figure out a solution
to this ship yet. Um. I think I know how
to deal with it. Um. But it's also like it's
so much is caught up, so much of like our
potential to have a future is caught up. In whether

(53:49):
or not people who are in politics figure out how
to deal with this bad faith shit. Um and I
I I don't think they are. And part of it
is that they have built their fundraising arm around the
terms that the right has successfully defined to their people
in a specific way. Right, And so instead of having

(54:12):
more productive discussions about some of this stuff and more
productive discussions about like how to protect people, it all
occurs within this kind of this kind of framework of
like catch phrases that are good at getting the base
grilled up and getting fun and good at putting together you.
It's it's like this ship with like the governor Louisiana,
right Democrat. There's this anti trans you know, um kids

(54:36):
in sports law that just like passed. He could have
vetoed it instead he he neglect He said he was
not going to veto it, but posted like a tearful
video about how much he supports trans kids. Yeah, and
like I'm sure he's gonna fund raise off that, right,
Like it's good, it's gonna be fine, but you could
do something, Yeah. I I flash to a moment years, years,

(54:57):
years back during the a bathroom thing. You know, we
was arguing over bathrooms. I remember it was a lady
at our chart twiies to go to that past us
me and me and my wife. I'm like, hey, what
do you guys think about the bathroom thing? We were like,
it's fine, I don't care, Like you're my house is

(55:17):
my house is a gender neutral baute? You ever been
to a beach? Like those are all? Jena like what
are you talking about? Like this is stupid? And I
remember the way that she looked at me, like her
eyes got big and she was just like, dude, I
like whispering. I totally agree. I don't understand a big deal.
I don't like whispering, like like afraid to say, yeah,
I think this is Yeah, I don't understand what the

(55:39):
hubub is about. And I was like, that's that's what
I'm talking about, Like you know, even even even the
stuff that's being defined to you as such, You're like,
well that's stupid, you know, Like Okay, so all of
a sudden, sexual sault sexual salts are gonna happen if
we have gender neutral bathrooms, Like as if sexual saults
don't already happen, you know what I'm saying, Like, so

(56:00):
just this like hole in the logic that at your core.
You like, we're not even at your core, just like
in the front of your mind you're like this, well
that don't even it. That don't bother me the way
you're telling me it's supposed to bother me. So your
question is am I tripping or y'all tripping? And what

(56:21):
I want all my listeners to say, you're to realize
it's like, nah, you're not tripping. This it's bullshit. It
really is. And you ain't gotta like, you ain't gotta
you ain't gotta You ain't gotta tell the line. You
ain't gotta tell the line if you honestly, especially around
this thing like don't be afraid to tell you know,

(56:43):
young seventh grade prop when your gang is chasing me,
Hey homie, you gotta get out the bathroom because they're
gonna jump you. And I think that's stupid. Yeah, yeah, well, well,
kind there's probably more that should be said about this.
I get like, you know, I I come at this

(57:06):
from a fundamentally different perspective than a lot of Democrats,
because I am something of an absolutist in the right
to self defense and the right to be armed. Fundamentally,
I don't think the cops should be able to own
anything that I can't UM, And I'm I'm not wild
about the idea of a national military, um of a
standing national military. But uh, like I and you know,

(57:28):
obviously there's people on the left side of the program
movement who are absolutely no, no compromise, no law type things.
I'm not. I tend to think there ship you can do. Like,
I don't know, I'm not against the idea of fucking
like waiting periods. Inherently, I think there should be some
option for like, if you've already got a collection or
a c h L. Like, why would a waiting period

(57:50):
apply to you? You already have guns. It's not like
it's kind of matter. But like, yeah, there's enough people
who like buy a gun and kill themselves that that day,
or enough people who like buy a gun that fucking
guy who shot up that hospital the same day, and
maybe if you could cool him down right, Like again,
there's there's stuff I think that can be done and
and that should be talked about, because even though I

(58:11):
don't think the overall I don't think the fundamental solutions
to the fundamental problems that we're talking about today, any
of them will be done by voting or passing laws
because it's too big, you know, like fundamentally you're dealing
with fucking white supremacy here and you're not kind of
voted out. Um. And also, I don't think you should
stop people who are poor or or like of normal

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income from being able to arm themselves, which is another
thing Democrats keep proposing. It's like, let's put a thousand
percent excise tax in an a R fifteen, so it's
five thousand dollars. Rich people should happen, right, that's the
Is that what's gonna make Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, because
the kid at fucking Uvaldi just got a credit card
and bought like a three or four thousand dollar firearm
and like managed it because he didn't care about paying

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it back. So like maybe well let's talk about some
other solutions. Um. But um yeah, So I have I
come I come at this from like a different position,
but I do think I think it's immoral to be like,
let's just not talk about doing anything, because I don't like,
like it's people are fucking like Vivaldi, Parkland, fucking Sandy Hook.

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Like it's fucked up to say, like, well, there's nothing
that should be attempted here um or or to say
let's just turn schools into fortresses. I don't like that.
That's not good for kids, that's good for anything. So
I think, like I would love it if we could
do something, um. But also I think it is it's
it's also immoral too. It's a moral fundamentally if you

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are the Democratic a democratic voter, but if you are
a Democrat in power, it is immorl to not be
fucking better at seeing what these people are doing and
how they get away with what they're doing. Um. And
the fact that if they haven't for so fucking long,
and it extends everywhere, it's crt if the anti transplantic
it's all the same playbook. You have to fucking understand
what they're doing and and actually fight it effectively, as

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opposed to just use the fear of the fuccory that
they're doing to drive people to like register to blue
no matter who. Um. And if they were actually doing that,
the right wouldn't be winning as often as they are.
Heep preaching that boy preaching, Now, you're right, man. It's
like when you're just trying to put your finger on jello.

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You're just gonna be chasing, chasing the gloves, and that's
basically what democrats doing. They just chasing these gloves, playing
whack a mole. And it's funny to watch, in funny
in a horrible way, in a sense that like they're
just like, yeah, nah, keep chasing us. You know, you're
just you're just swinging a person around, you know, and
laughing as you're doing it, you know what I'm saying.

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So yeah, nah nailed it. Yeah, thank you for that, Robert,
thank you. This was fun. Yeah, dog like dude, I mean,
everybody know who you already, and you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta book. It's
called After the Revolution. You can find it everywhere right now,
including on on on the the Amazons if you, if

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you are so inclined, man, that book is very fun.
Thank you. I enjoy, you know, fun in a in
an entertaining still pretty sad But yeah, it was fun
in an entertaining, still pretty sad way to write. Joe. Yeah,
all right, and uh, Sophie right there, get off, get

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off there, Sophie, say what's up there? It is? Sophie
is the greatest at holding her tongue when she has comments.
I've never seen him wye so good at it does? Anyway, Well,
that's the show. It'll probably be. This will most likely
be the second part because this is over an hour
and uh, because that boy Rob got hot. You know

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what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have
a I'm gonna have Matt play some Oregon hits under
there done. You know what I'm saying. Make you sound
like a preacher. All right? Anyway, all right, shows over
means yeah, this is here. Thing was recorded by Me

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Propaganda and East Low Spoil Heights, Los Angeles, California. This
smug was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by Matt Ososki.
I can totally say his name, guys, it was it
was a stick. He's going by Matt now again because
he got two legal situations with the name Headlights. You know,
commen used to be called common sense tip t I

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