Cars and Trucks You'll Still Crave 10 Years from Now

You know the ones we’re talking about: The new cars and trucks that are so cool in 2017 that you’ll spend your evenings and weekends searching for them on eBay and Craigslist when we finally make it to 2027.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Go behind the wheel, under the hood and beyond with
car Stuff from how Stuff Works dot com. I welcome
to Car Stuff. I'm Scott, I'm Ben. We are joined today,
as always by our super producers. This podcast is brought
to you by Noel Madman Brown and of course Dylan

(00:24):
nicknamed t B. A. Fagan. Uh So, we have a
interesting thing today because we're talking about the future. Yeah,
tent well, specifically ten years from now, yes, specifically a
decade hence yeah, Yeah. We found this article and it's
called it's called fifteen new cars and trucks that will
still be cool in so we're talking about brand new

(00:46):
vehicles and brand new and ten that will still be
cool in ten years. And there's a copy of There
is a copy of There's one rule to this list,
and that is well, I guess two rules. One is
that it's a model your vehicle. One number two is
the cars have to be under one hundred thousand dollars
M S r P. And what do you think about
that rule, Scott? I think it's a good rule to

(01:08):
make because anything above a hundred thousand, well you said
it best, Ben, What do you say it's anything above
a hundred thousand is arguably a work of art. So
you know, we could talk about Bugatti's all day, right,
two point seven million dollars, right, and ten years from
now that's still good. You know, that's that's still going

(01:30):
to be an exotic high end. Of course, they're all
going to be desirable because I mean, I think here's
the way I've been trying to think about this. If
you go back to cars that were built in two
thousand seven, what would be cool right now? And and
maybe even the very best way to put you know,
the picture. This is the way that the author of
this article wrote this, and they said, well, you know,

(01:51):
these are the cars that you'll find yourself in ten
years now, you know, late at night, maybe midnight, two am,
going to find on eBay or you know, craigs lest
or any of those, you know, the ones that you're
just kind of always it's always in the back of
your head that it's a cool vehicle, and you know
it has been for the last ten years. But now
maybe it's to the point where, yeah, I need a
third vehicle, you know, like a fun vehicle for the weekend,
or it could be a daily driver. I mean, we're

(02:13):
not gonna you know, um discount any of those. Either
we're gonna say that this is open to anything really,
so any type of vehicle and their their cars, trucks,
and SUVs on the list that we're gonna cover today.
And then there are also a few that I'd like
to throw in at the end that are kind of
my own submissions. And that's my question, or my my challenge,
I guess for our listeners is to come up with
something that we haven't covered in this podcast. So you have, unfortunately,

(02:34):
got to listen to the end. I don't know how
many of you do that already, but you gotta listen
from beginning in you know, listen to all the examples
that we have and then maybe the even the ones
that I throw in there, and then yeah, come up
with your own. And there's no wrong answer here. I mean,
it's it's really it's all. It's subjective, I guess. Yeah,
it's a it's it's a matter of taste, perspective, and speculation.

(02:56):
Really the only the only rules for this game are
as Scott said, uh, the model year this year, uh
and under a hundred thous Yeah. All right, so we've
got a short list here. It's fifteen. It doesn't sound
like it's a short list, but it's there's really not
a lot written about each one, So we'll kind of
plow through this pretty quickly. But um, there's a little

(03:19):
bit of funny math here at the bottom of this. Now,
just so that you're aware as we go through here. Um, okay,
it says fifteen new cars and trucks, right, that'll still
be cool again. It's from auto blog. You can check
it out there if you want to follow follow along
with us. But at the bottom of says, we came
up with this list of thirteen. That's right away. Thirteen
that's strange. Um, eleven of those are cars, two of

(03:41):
those are pickups, and two of those are SUVs. Now,
if you if you're like a math scholar, which I
would assume that a lot of our listeners are, the
proper term is math doctor doctor, then those last three
numbers if you can, if you can add three numbers quickly,
uh you know which, I don't know how you could
do that. I had a calculator here, but eleven plus

(04:02):
two plus two does not equal thirteen. So there's some
confusion right there. Right. It's true. They must have been
missing their advocates. But but the title is right, it's fifteen,
but the thirteen is right. Well, we'll cover this as
we go through. There's a there's a little bit of
um maybe product line sharing that is thrown in here too, right, Uh,
no spoilers, let's jump it immediately. So first up, we

(04:24):
have the Alpha Romeo four set. Oh, and I want
to point out this isn't like a one two three list,
So it's not like here's, you know, number fifteen of
the coolest. It's this has done alphabetically, right, Yeah, this
is in order of alphabetical appearance. There's not a hierarchy
of coolness. No, so this is that's why we're starting
with Alpha. But but the Alpha Romeo four C. I

(04:44):
completely agree with this one. I don't see how this
one could not be cool in ten years. It's cool
right now. I think this will be cool twenty years
from now. It's it's sweet to it's a carbon fiber
rear drive of course, to seat mid engine. This is
a amazing This is an amazing one, and I'm really
glad the list starts here. Two thirty seven horsepower, turbocharged

(05:07):
four cylinder and super light, so it hits sixty zero
to sixty in just over four seconds. Pretty fast, Yeah,
pretty fast. Not not exceptionally fast, but amazing. You know what,
that's got to feel pretty strong when you're when you're
in that little tiny vehicle. It's it's one of those
that they described with go kart handling as they always
love to do, right. But the M s r P

(05:28):
on this one is just right around fifty six dollars,
so it's that's well within the range of safe and
uh again, just I'm sure most of our listeners are
familiar with these, but I've only seen a couple of
them on the road so far. We got a taste
here in the United States anyways, of Alfa Romeo during
the Super Bowl, because there was a huge UM push

(05:48):
I guess towards Alpha towards Alfa Romeo vehicles in the commercials.
I guess maybe just and nothing really overdone. It wasn't
like a Super Bowl esque type commercial of the past,
you know where I was specifically for that. I think
this is the one they just want. Uh um introduced
the United States market, or reintroduced, I should say to
Alpha again, and they did so with our number two.
I shouldn't the number two. But our second one on

(06:09):
the list anyways, is also in Alpha, and this is
the four door sedan. Yes, Scott, it's another Alpha. It's
the seventeen Alpha Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. Very nice, good pronunciation.
I don't know if I could have done as well.
I have to practice before I say that a cheating
Now I'm gonna try to have to say this one

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or two times I'm sure during this. But the Quadrafoglio
is the is like the top end version of this
vehicle you can have. There's other models available in the
UH UM in the sedan, I suppose, and this is
like the the top end um zero to sixty again
under four seconds. But it's a bigger car. It's a
heavier car. UM so it's a stronger engine. It has

(06:51):
a five hundred and five horsepower twin turbocharged two point
nine leader V six. This is a Ferrari derived engine,
by the way. So it's strong. I mean, it's got
it's got good uh good genes, good good bones. I
guess behind it right, Um, it's real will drive. It's
of course four door, as we mentioned, lots of carbon
fiber body work. There's you know, there's I think the

(07:12):
roof is carbon fiber. Even it has active aerodynamics, which
is really cool. UM and the the M S r
P on this one is right around seventy two thousand dollars,
so it's kind of expensive. Not the most expensive one
on our list, which we'll get too much much later
in the list, but still under a hundred thousand Scott.
We should also point out that the base model, the
no bells, no whistles model, it puts you right at

(07:36):
thirty eight thousands. So there's a wide range here between
all the bells and whistles and the base. That's a
huge range, right, Yeah, I had no idea that that
one is so much more expensive, but a cool what
will we call it? Seventy two large? Seventy two large? Yeah,
I guess so. And you know you can get carbon
ceramic brakes, you can, you can really make a lot

(07:56):
of updates or upgrades rather to this one. I should say, UM,
zero to sixty times. I don't even know if we
even mentioned that three point eight seconds. We didn't get specific,
but yeah, three point eight three point eight not bad
at top speed of around one. I don't know what
good that would do you on the highway. But still
you know it's there. Yeah, before we move on, though

(08:16):
I don't wanna, you know, I don't want to hold
up the train too long. But before we move on,
we're talking about cars that will still be cool in
and we are at a crossroads, my friend, with the
boom in technology on automotive technology on almost every front,

(08:36):
material science, right, fuel efficiency, engine performance, all of these
amazing things right on the cusp of occurring right and
smarter vehicles hopefully smarter drivers. But you know who can
predict that? Uh? I think this means that the technology

(08:57):
and a lot of these vehicles in a decade is
going to be antiquated. You know what, here's one thing
that we hadn't really thought about, and maybe this is
where you're going with this. None of the cars on
our list are really like, you know, autonomous vehicles, right
or ones that we think of as autonomous right now,
you know, the ones that have the systems that are
there that they can't quite call autonomous yet, like parallel

(09:17):
parking assistants and stuff like that. Yeah, these are these
are like a lot of these are drivers cars or
drivers trucks. Really, Yeah, you have to do the work
which we are fans of. But what I'm saying is,
and you're right, what I'm saying is that when we
make this judgment, the reason there's so much perspective involved
is because ultimately we're making an aesthetic judgment rather than

(09:41):
a performance. It's performance judgment is almost impossible. The cars
of s are going to be vastly different. I won't
say superior, but vastly different. Likely superior in some regards. Right,
But but consider, for instance, the consider the way that
classic cars from the fifties and sixties still hold up.

(10:03):
They hold up. They're not the fastest, they're definitely not
the most nimble, but aesthetically in many ways, well, in
my opinion, they are superior. You know so well, and
then there's the other side that you know, the rust
of matters that that you know say that, well, I'm
building a better version of what they built back in
the nineteen fifties or in the nineteen sixties, and so

(10:24):
there's that angle to it as well. I mean, yeah, again,
it's it's hard to say that you know, these cars
are gonna stand the test of time. But that's the
whole thing. This whole list is like, well, it's all speculation.
It's all wild speculation. It's all wild speculation. Well, here's
the thing the manifesto about aesthetics being key. Here. The

(10:45):
reason I hop on the soapbox is because I don't
like the front of the I don't like the front
of the Alfa Romeo. I think it's gonna look dated. Okay,
all right, well that you're talking about the Yeah, well
that's a classic Alpha Mayo. Look, I mean, it's the shape.
If they're trying to, you know, hold onto that heritage,
I guess because you know, there was a time when

(11:06):
Alpha males are sold here in the United States, and
then it went away for a while. That's back again.
So this is kind of like the reintroduction of the brand.
If you were able to see the front of the
Alpha Mayo FOURC, you would see the same styling cues
on that one as you do on the sedan, you know,
the two seater versus the four seater or I don't
know if it's five seat maybe, but um, anyways, you'll
you'll see that brand heritage brought forth into that as well.

(11:27):
So I don't know, I think that the people that
appreciate the brand, you know, the Alpha brand, will like
the look of that. Now. A lot of people have
said the same thing about the audi Um wide open
front grille. That's going way way back in their in
their history. But people that knew the brand or knew
of the brand from back then, I appreciated that. You know,

(11:48):
it's kind of a it harkens back to the older days.
It's traditional, it is is a legacy in some ways. Yeah,
and maybe that will be phased out eventually. I mean
likely that it will. But but I don't know about
Alpha getting rid of that. Its signature shape at the
front end. It's kind of like the Dadge cross hairs,
you know. Yeah, you like the Jadge front end has
that grill. It's really distinctive. And BMW does the same thing.

(12:09):
I think they all do. But if you think that
the Alpha brand, you think it's gonna look dated in
ten years, I can see what you're saying. I mean,
it's either you're gonna it's either gonna look dated or
it's gonna double down on that that honoring legacy. Yeah,
approach um And you're absolutely right, that's one of the
that's one of the strangest things. I was talking to
a friend of mine's kid and she asked me, um,

(12:34):
what my favorite car face was? And I was like what?
And you know sometimes kids, kids can be weird, right
because I think before kids get to the double digits,
they're smarter and more honest than most adults. And it's like,
what do you mean car faces? This was this is
at a barbecue thing and uh and she was like, well,

(12:55):
you know, like cars have faces, and I think some
cars are ugly and I think some cars are, like
I have really good faces. Well some look like they're
smiling something like they're angry, right, yeah, some look confused. Yeah.
And this kid schooled me on her like her favorite,
uh favorite car faces and at least favorites and do
you happen to remember one of her picks because I'd

(13:16):
be interested with that, would She liked? BMW's actually really okay,
which is why this brings brings it to mind because
UM our next item on the list is the BMW
M two. Yeah, the M two. Now this is of
course ray will drive and uh it's a turbo charge
and they say track ready high performance luxury coupe as
you would imagine. UM again, twin turbo charged all aluminum

(13:40):
three leader in line six with the seven thousand rpm
redline that makes three and sixty five horsepower, and then
zero to sixty is pretty fast as well. Zero to
sixty and just four point two seconds. Um six speed
manual transmission is standard, and they say, of course that's
the one to get. S RP is right right in
the middle again, Yeah, yeah, right in the middle. It's uh,

(14:01):
it's gonna be about fifty two grands fifty too large large, Yeah,
but I mean that's a that's that's a good deal.
And the performance on this thing is he's say, fifty
two is a good deal, Yeah, because I'm never gonna
buy one. So of course you must be in a

(14:21):
different world than me. I don't, I don't know, but
fifty two it still seems like a lot of money
for it for a well, you know what though, it's
it's a if they say it's a track ready, high
performance luxury coup and fifty two is a deal. That's uh,
that's still a lot of cabbage, no matter how you
look at it. Yeah, that's a lot of scratch. That's
but that's the key those man is track ready. So
that that alone. They call it BMW's purest modern day

(14:45):
sports car. They do look cool. They look very cool.
So if you haven't haven't checked out the seventeen model
of the M two, take a look on mine. You'll
see if you're lots of examps. Yeah, if you're seeing
around going what am I going to do with this
fifty one thousand, seven hundred dollars, I'm so tired of
having end around? That's the eternal question that really it

(15:06):
really is. All right, all right, let's move on to
the next one on our list. Here, we're chewing through
these pretty quick, really alright. So this is the seventeen
Chevrolet Camaro Z L one, specifically the ZL one, because
this is the lighter version of the Camaro. Um still
has the supercharge six point two later V eight that
makes six d and fifty horse power and six fifty

(15:26):
pound feet of torque. This one is gonna look like
a classic. This is this is what I'm talking about
with the aesthetic stuff. Man, This this one. It's it's
low slung, it's got this huge mean hood. Uh and
it's uh sounds great. It sounds great. That's a very
good point. Uh. It also historically at this point is

(15:51):
the most powerful Camaroya. I can see that and you
know what. This is the fiftieth anniversary of the Camaro.
I have seen, you know. I meant to tell you this.
I was driving back from Florida about a week ago,
and on the road, you know, a vehicle passed us,
not very fast, just you know, slow, passing the left lane.
I thought, it looks a little bit different than a
regular Camaro, like a standard Camaro, there's something a little different.

(16:12):
And I thought, well, it's gotta be a new model,
and you know, it has to be seen, and sure
enough it was. But as it rode by, it had
um in script on the on the fender kind of
behind the front wheel. It said fifty like it's spelled
out the word fifty. And it's a fiftieth anniversary edition
of the Camaro. And I don't know if there's any
special body work that goes along with that or if
it's just that, you know, that's what the is gonna

(16:33):
look like. And I haven't really seen or noticed one yet,
but um, anyways, I thought that fiftieth anniversary edition was
kind of cool looking. And I guess the zo one,
of course it's it's cool looking as well. Um, you know,
it's got the uh, it's kind of kind of unique
hood to it as well. UM, six speed manual transmission
with active rev matching, which is standard of course, and oh,
if you want, you can get a ten speed automatic,

(16:55):
but I don't recommend that, um, just because I'm not
a fan of these these you know what, Okay, we
have to take a tiny sidebar here right in the
middle of this one, or we can wait until the
end of it. Right now, I'm a little bit tired
of these transmissions that have eight nine ten gears and
the automatic transmissions. And the reason is because I find

(17:15):
that they're not as comfortable to drive as you would
think that they would be there constantly trying to find
the right gear and you feel all that shifting, and
I know it should be more subtle than it is,
but you feel it. You still feel the thing down shifting,
up shifting, and it's not it's not the driving experience
they had even five years ago in cars. It's a
little different now. Totally agree, because the idea of the

(17:37):
electronic adaptation there is the what we're talking about is lag, right,
it's not road responsive. So the while while it is
true that these these systems can you know, be optimized
for efficiency, or optimized for performance, et cetera. Uh, I

(18:01):
feel like they're always going to be better than a
human driver at optimizing for efficiency. Sure, So if you
select s for sport mote or something, it's going to
shift different than it does if you're just drive where
it's trying to create the best fuel economy. Right, So,
fuel economy the vehicle, Like we're in a John Henry moment,
right so right now, where we're at fuel economy, driving

(18:25):
for economy is probably going to be the domain of
the vehicle, the demand, the system. The robot will do
better at driving for economy, sure, And that's where you
get your ep A numbers. Yeah, exactly. When it comes
to driving for performance in typical like production cars, I

(18:48):
still think a driver with control of a manual transmission
is I still think they're better. I think that's our
John Henry. Absolutely, it's better left to the human to
decide when to shift gears at that point. I think
that's why that's why I feel that you're better off,
you know, with this with the six speed manual transmission
in this one versus a ten speed automatic. And I
know there's gonna be arguments back and forth, like you

(19:09):
don't have to take your hands off the wheel to
to do that, or just ease of use, you know,
around town or whatever. And there's a lot of pros
and cons for both. I understand modern transmissions. Automatic transmissions
can be great. Uh they can also be pretty bad.
And I've I've experienced both. You know, I've had some
pretty good one. I've driven some pretty good ones that
have you know, multi years, I mean maybe up to

(19:30):
you know, six seven, eight maybe, But then when you
get up to like it's just it's a different experience.
Like climbing a hill. You really feel it. If you're
if you're you know, desolating down a hill without your
foot on the gas, you're gonna feel like a little
bit of weirdness, Like it's gonna feel like it's accelerating
from underneath you when you're not touching anything. Oh yeah, sure,
excellent example. Let's imagine a road and this is a

(19:53):
pretty common thing here in the States where the speed
limit is say okay, but it's a road that still
has stoplights. So you're really gonna feel the searching, the
searching aspect, the constant like shift up, shift down in

(20:13):
in any uh ten speed automatic transmission because you will
be accelerating and decelerating sometimes yeah, sometimes hard, yeah, sometimes
hard hard acceleration, sometimes hard deceleration, and and yeah, you
feel all that. And I know that the engineers do
their best to dial out that, and you know their
um multi clutch transmissions that you know, reduce all that

(20:36):
and stuff. But I'm telling you, if if you haven't
driven a modern vehicle with you know again eight nine
or ten gears, you feel it. You really do feel it.
It's it's you would think that it would be smoother,
there's more to choose from, and it's easier to make
those transitions, and you know, but it just doesn't work
out that way. You feel you still feel those transitions.
So in ten years from now, perhaps reviewers will say

(20:57):
that this Camaro, the Aisle Stone mid century Camaro is
the excuse me, the the fifty year Camaro. They're gonna
say that the zero one is beautiful despite it's transmission. Well,
if you choose the automatic the manual trans can, we're

(21:17):
we're going we're playing favorites here. Some people may love
the automatic and say that's the one for me. That's
you know, you're completely wrong with the with there's just
poss sure, why not. I mean, everybody's got their own
viewpoint on this thing yet, Okay, I think so, maybe
not our audience. Maybe our audience is more towards you know,
the manual. They want to be a control right and
you know, I don't know which version of this they

(21:38):
tested here, but I would guess it's the manual transmission
but comes about in about three point five seconds, so
it's pretty quick quarter mile times or somewhere in the
elevens courses. R will drive. Um, I don't know. It's
just a lot of power and the the M s
R P on this right around sixty one dollars. Not
bad for zero one Camaro Raather. So, if you're listening

(22:00):
to this podcast to distract yourself from the constant problem
of having sixty two dollars that you don't know what
to do it again with this, with the you got
extra money in your account, then there's something going on. Yeah, yeah,
well you know, I got series of a series of
side jobs. Anything you want to expand on right now?

(22:23):
Oh man, Well, you know what, let's get back to
it later in the show, because we're continuing on the
list with something a little bit different afterward. From our
sponsor and we're back and uh, all right, so you

(22:45):
said there's something a little bit different on the list here,
and uh, and you're absolutely right. We were moving on
to the first truck on our list. Yeah, now this
is the two thousand seventeen Chevrolet Colorado z R two,
so in particular z R two model, which is got
to be surprising for a lot of people. Right when
when we talk about we're talking about ultimately aesthetics. How

(23:08):
one of the only things that anybody not from twenty
seven can predict or it can base our speculation on,
will be aesthetics. A lot of the technology is going
to be um, a lot of the technology is is
going to be like classic, it's the best way to
say it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, you know,

(23:29):
I look back though, and I think there's not a
lot of trucks that aren't really cool. You know, when
you look back at just about any time frame, I
mean look back ten years from now and and trucks
from two thousands seven were cool. Then uh, you know, trucks,
trucks from you know, n are still cool. And go
all the way back as far as you want, nineteen seventeen,
if you want to trucks were still cool. Pickup trucks

(23:49):
are awesome, Yeah, they really are. And so you know,
putting these trucks in here, it's gotta be something really special,
something that stands out. I guess, uh for this list
in particular, understanding that that most trucks in en role
are pretty cool anyways, but this is a The z
R two Colorado package is an off road package. Um
So it has you know, this real tall, long travel
suspension for off road capability. And of course it is

(24:11):
you know, a wider stance, I guess, a tougher stance
if you want to call it that. UM wheel were well, well, flares,
that's hard to say. Wee weell flares. And and of
course it is like a blackouth hood the dome that
kind of looks like it came from the vehicle we
just talked about the Camaro parts been I understand that completely.
When you look at it, you'll understand that does look

(24:31):
like a Camaro hood on that thing. Um of course
it's got the spare tire thrown in the bed, just
like the you know, the Baja one thousand trucks do.
That's kind of a cool touch. Um. I don't know.
There's just a lot going for this thing. It's got
a it's got a pretty nice engine as well. Um,
it's strong, but it's not overly strong, I guess. Yeah,
horse power three point six Leader V six or you

(24:52):
can go diesel, yeah, two point eight Leader, right, so
a turn, or you can get a turbo diesel. Um,
and of course got an eight speed automatic. We just
spent a long time slamming and she probably shouldn't have.
But this is a I don't know, you know in
this case, is is it? I don't know, Ben no regrets. Well, no, yeah,
we should just move on. I mean, so it has

(25:13):
an eight speed automatic. Will overlook that because this is
a cool truck. How about that? In seven people will
be baffled that you were able to drive these on
your own. I have a feeling, you know, I need
to look this up. I'm gonna have to check on
this model. But I would bet there's a manual version
of this as well. I think that maybe they're saying
that with that two point eight Leader turbo diesel, you
get the eight speed automatic. Maybe there's a yeah, there

(25:35):
is a six speed manual and then and that probably
goes with the with a three point six leaders Yeah,
okay V six all right, So the M s r
P on this one, it's about forty um. Kind of
low on our list as far as the prices go.
So far. There's gonna be a couple that that beat that, though,
Yeah there are, but this is not one. No, the

(25:56):
next one is not. This is a jump up, but
it's again not the most expensive on our list. And
I'm I'm surprised by this. I thought this would be
one of the more expensive ones on the list. This
is this is actually not bad news because think about
depreciation and then ten years from now what this might
be valued at. And you know, now that I've said
the word depreciation, I think we should probably talk about
that for just one second, if that's okay. All right.

(26:17):
So the point was made early on in this article,
right up front that the cars aren't you know, that
we're talking about, aren't necessarily the ones that are going
to be worth a fortune. The ones that do depreciate,
that have you know, some some value chopped off the
top immediately the first year or the first time you
drive off the dealer a lot. So these are the ones, again,
that that are going to be cool in ten years,
but you know, maybe they're not, you know, the the

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high dollar vehicle that they are today. And that's part
of the appeal of these things is that, you know,
in ten years these kind of become affordable to just
I want to say everybody, but not everybody. You know,
it's it's more affordable to more people. And this is one.
This is the Chevallet Corvette Grand Sport. Now they chose
the Grand Sport. They didn't go with the Zeo six

(26:59):
all of Oh, if you're if you pay careful attention
to this, the Grand Sport essentially has the zero six body.
It looks like the Zeo six. Yeah, but it's like
it's possessed by a different engine, you know what I mean, Well,
I guess so. I mean, this one has a four
D and sixty horsepower naturally aspirated six point two leader

(27:21):
l T four V eight And this is the same
engine that comes in the entry level Stingray, right, And
I getta say, I really like this one. I really
do too. I feel like this. I feel like, not
just ten years from now, but four decades from now,
this this car is going to be looked at the

(27:43):
same way people look at those classic Cherry Cadillacs and stuff.
Oh yeah, or or again corvettes from four decades or
corvettes from before. Yeah, I mean if you want to
put it that way, because this one, I mean again,
I feel like the body style on this they're they're
probably spot on with this one because if they chose
the Zeo six, the price is way higher. The engine
is this, you know, a stronger engine. I understand all that.

(28:05):
There's maybe there's more problems with that. I don't know, um,
But but this one, if you if you look at
it as far as the you know, aesthetics, the way
the way it looks on the road, the way it performs,
because it still does have that strong six point two
lead eight. Um. They say it's the perfect combination of style,
performance and daily drive ability and price. Uh. And you
can get it into a Cooper convertible. UM. I personally

(28:28):
prefer the couple I know, well, the convertible shown here
in the in the the article. But I've I've just
always been a coup over convertible person. You're not really
convertible guy. No, And like of the cases or not
I should say, yeah, the cases I'd say, I'm I'm
coop over convertible. So I just want to ask, did

(28:52):
do you have a reason for it? Is it? Is
it just more moving parts of the fact that convertibles
inevitably and king, Well there's that too, but I I
feel like it doesn't have the Uh it seems like
the convertible never has the exact same roofline as the
coop does, and the coop always has is like the
more refined, slick version of that vehicle, And when you

(29:13):
put the convertible top on, it just becomes kind of
like it looks like they took something out of the
parts bin and put it on. Every time it seems
like there's there's there's very few times when I feel
like the convertible top does the the body justice. Well,
what about what about hard top convertibles? I love those,
I really do. I like when they throw a hardtop on,
and I don't Again, it's probably the Maybe it's just

(29:35):
that that hardline versus the cloth. You know, the cloth
looks kind of out of place there or vinyl or
whatever it is. But what about you? Do you like
convertibles over over coups in most cases or what about
in this one in particular? And this one in particular. Um,
I gotta tell you I'm more I'm I'm more of
a cooperson. And that's that's nothing against convertibles, it's it's

(29:57):
something we've talked about in the past on the show,
which is my my theory which unfortunately had proven true
quite recently in my in my personal auto life. My
theory is that more moving parts equal more opportunities for
something to go wrong. I like, I'm all for ingenuity,

(30:20):
and we realize that the key to effective design and
ingenuity is defined as um, the simplest answer to a
problem or a question. So the simplest answer to the
inevitable problems that arrive when we create convertible systems, which are,

(30:42):
by the way, amazing and aesthetically I'm a million percent
behind them, but having those moving parts almost always means
that it becomes a problem. It becomes a repair that
has to be accomplished. So while I love seeing convertibles,

(31:03):
well well yes, yes, everybody who's driving one and listening
right now, it looks so freaking cool at a stoplight
when someone like takes the top down, that's amazing. I
feel like I'm watching a movie. But as far as
me owning one. Yeah, not for you. So I guess
boiling this down and you're saying that, and maybe we

(31:25):
won't go into your specific cases sample right now, but
maybe later we will, sure during the nuts and bolts
or something. But um, so you're saying that the the
simplest standard drive line is a lot simpler than the
simplest hybrid drive line. Maybe, absolutely so they all even
if even if it is the simplest example, you're adding

(31:46):
technology to something, and so the simplest version of that
is still going to be more complex than the version
that you had prior to that. Right. That's one of
the reasons. And I know this is a little lot
of topic. I won't we won't spend too much time
on it, but that's one of the reasons that, uh,
classic American cars in Cuba have persisted for so long
because these are simplified mechanical um processes. Right, so there's

(32:13):
not some sort of black box hybrid thing that you
have to take to the dealer. Uh. And these are
not cars with planned obsolescence baked in. These are things
that if you fix them and if you practice regular maintenance,
just basic maintenance, they can last. It's a straightforward mechanical fix.
In every case, it's from a time when it's from

(32:34):
a time where the average consumer was allowed to repair
something instead of being forced to buy a new thing.
And I loved seeing the examples of the ingenuity that's
put in place there. I mean, you know, wouldn't parts
to replace metal parts, you know in some cases, and
they work, and they work, yeah, they work perfectly well.
But you know the wood wears out a little faster
you have to replace it again. But no problem because

(32:56):
they can do that. So you know, I'm sorry, I
always I'm sorry, I always rambling about the but yes,
my my short answer that came far too late is coops. Coops, Okay, coop.
So we're both on that. We're both on the side
of coops and and the m s r P on
this one. By the way, since we've talked about price,
you know, between the zero six and nous for the

(33:16):
the grand sport for the M s r P is
sixty five thousand, four hundred and fifty dollars, so it's
kind of on the high side, but again not the
not the most expensive on our And moving on, we've
got here's one of the ones that throws off the
math in this whole thing. Oh yes, the two seen
Dodge Challenger and Charger Hellcat. Yeah. Now, essentially, mechanically these

(33:39):
cars are the same, but the bodies, as you know,
are different. So we're talking about the Hellcat versions. Of course.
These are the uh supercharge six point two Leader V
eight's that both make seven hundred and seven horsepower very strong,
the most powerful American cars ever. They're essentially, as I said,
the same vehicles. Mechanically. They're both rear world drive cars
you can drive every single day if you want to,

(34:00):
the main difference being that the Charger has four doors.
The Challenger has two doors, which makes the Charger more
of a family friendly car, you know what I mean. Well, yeah, okay,
so that's the one that's the one you can talk
the rest of the family into agreeing to make a
daily driver. Yeah, I guess you're right. That's that's probably
a better way to say it is that. Yeah, I mean,
we can take the kids, we can go to the

(34:22):
grocery store and actually bring the groceries back with us
because we have a trunk really fast, really really fast
tire smoke on the entire way, all right, So I
love that they save it defines cool Dad, Yeah kind of, yeah,
I guess it does. Yeah, right, And of course you
know it's got the large trunk to go along with it,
he said, a backseat, of course. And the Challenger is available.
With the Challenger if you want to get that one.
It's got a six speed manual transmission, which, as you know,

(34:44):
we're fans of. So um, for me, the pick out
of these two would be the Challenger, but then again,
maybe that's not practical for everybody. Um. Well, here's the
weird thing for me, though I didn't know this. The
the Challenger is less than the charger, which seems backward
to me. Now, usually the sport or version, you know
that the two door, uh, the two door coupe version

(35:05):
is going to be a little bit more expensive, I
guess in the sedan in most cases, because that's it
for a lot of people, that's the more desirable one,
right for And I don't know what's going on here.
Maybe it's just because there's more material or something. I
don't know exactly why this is, but um, it is
more expensive to buy the charger than it is the Challenger.
So the charger is sixty thous the challenger is st

(35:32):
yet it's weird. Do you feel like you see more
challengers or chargers on the road? I would say that
I see well, not hell cats. I mean, that's the difference.
But I do. I feel around town here I see
more challengers on the road than I do chargers on
the road. It seems like chargers are are police cars
around here in Georgiana. You're not wrong, man, Now there's

(35:54):
a lot of them. State troopers have have challengers. Yeah,
and that's I'm sorry chargers. I keep getting these mixed
top chargers. The challengers are the ones that I see
around town a lot, like individuals drives. I feel like
I feel like I see more l eo UM challengers
and more civilian chargers. And maybe it's just because of
the different areas of town that we're in. Could be you, Yeah,

(36:18):
you live in like the downtown area and I live
out in the suburbs north of here. Yeah, I live
in the sketchy part of the city. What's gonna say
that it's true? Dude? Al Right, Well, anyway, so so
we see different vehicles on the road, but I guess
that these have probably an equal distribution around the United States.
People familiar with the mint and I feel like they're
they're pretty common in Atlanta. Well here's one that's not common.

(36:41):
And this is the next one, and this one, I
have yet to see one on the road. And if
I have, it's news to me. Maybe that wasn't, you know,
really showing off or something. But Ford Focus R S
great pick great, Yeah, hot hatch And it's thirty six
thousand dollars, so it's relatively low on our list as
far as M S r P value. Here's what you

(37:02):
get for it. You get, Uh, it's got the six
speed manual. Uh, there's there's a lot of there's a
lot of zoom in this one. It's a three horsepower
two point three leader twin turbo charged Eco boost four
cylinder and all wheel drive and all will drive. Yes. Uh,
it's zero to sixty is still less than five seconds.

(37:23):
Four point six. Um. I think this would surprise a
lot of people. Yeah, I do too. I do too.
It's kind of a it's a it's a bit of
a stealth vehicle, but then again, it's got kind of
oh gosh, should I even say that it's stealth? I mean,
when you look at it, it doesn't look terribly different
from you know the uh, the Ford Focus S T
And there's there's a bit of a difference, But I

(37:44):
think that that's only two people who really kind of
are in the know people that I think. So I
think that like someone who's not really interested in in
cars at all, Like let's say my wife were to
see you know the Ford Focus r S. You're laughingcause
I'm using my wife an example. So I can do
that because I know she doesn't listen to the show.
We're going to say. I don't think I think she
ever listens to all right, So I feel pretty confident

(38:05):
in saying she doesn't listen to the show. So if
she's I'm going to if she's looking at you know, um,
you know the RS next to the ST, I don't
think she's going to spot the difference immediately. She might
say they're a little different. But but again I think
it's for our audience. They can probably you know, pick
it out. They can they can spot it. Um. This
is maybe this is a bold statement here at the

(38:26):
end of this one. Now, the authors of you know
this autoblog articles say, and I agree with this, I
really do. He says time will tell, but this may
go down in history is the pinnacle of hot rod
hatch hatchbacks. It's the Renault R five turbo and Cleo
V six of our generation. Now do you agree that's ambitious?

(38:47):
It is? But I gotta say I agree, it's an
incredible car. Yeah, I mean, right now it is. Oh wait,
I can I can say this. It is the most
badass hatchback. O. Yeah it is. It is. That's just
being objective as far as like our generation. But I'm

(39:08):
not I'm not comfortable saying that it's going to be
the pinnacle for the next ten years. So you think
it's gonna get better? Yeah? Okay, do you think it's
gonna Okay, so now let's let's pick it this just
a little bit. I think that you think that Ford
is going to continue to develop this vehicle or do
you think that we're gonna see better examples from other
manufacturers that are going to top this, because um, you

(39:31):
know there's also the civic type R you know, the
hashback that's coming. That's I think a lot of people
are looking forward to. I really really no no offense
to Ford. I think that I think what's going to
happen is that the competitors are going to come with
something challenging like the Hunda civics we're talking about, and

(39:53):
then Ford will react accordingly. Uh, but where as it
end like what's the it is going to be the
top one. It's this constant escalation. Man, you're right, because
this is kind of like our our first look at
something like this from Ford in this in this segment. Uh,
something this powerful, this is I mean, it's a different
beast altogether, right, I agree, it really is. So I

(40:14):
don't know. I mean, I it's a good solid pick
for something that's still gonna be cool ten years from now.
But I don't I maybe think that you're right. Maybe
they're gonna up their game a little bit. And that's
just kind of the natural progression of things. You know.
They add stuff, they take away stuff, they make parts
carbon fiber that weren't carbon fiber before. It becomes lighter, faster, better, stronger.
Ah to familiar, Yes, and uh, let's play. Let's play

(40:38):
a guessing game, ladies and gentlemen. Scott, what what how
did you just phrase it? Oh? I don't know, better, faster, lighter, stronger,
which which sounds a lot like this Kanye song that
I really enjoyed. But let's see if you can guess
what's next on the list. We'll give you some time

(40:59):
to think. Here's a blue, same thing happened last time,
and we'll be back after a word from our sponsor,
and we are back. Have you guessed based on our

(41:21):
semi bumbling foreshadowing here? Yeah, I guess. You know, I
don't know if I should have left that same thing
happened last time in there. That might have been given
too much away round are weirdly unfair hints. Yeah, well,
it's a it's a it's a truck. We're back with
a truck, yes, and it should be no surprise we're
talking about Ford. You know, it's the Ford Raptor, of course,
and of course this is the second generation of this

(41:44):
incredible off road F one pick up that they've put together. Now,
this one is five hundred pounds lighter than the first generation.
Five hundred pounds lighter. This is so cool. That is significant.
So that is thanks to of course, you know, the
aluminum body in bed that the all new Raptors shares with.
You know, the standard F one fifty line, right, all
of Ford pickup trucks. You know the so so this

(42:07):
thing uses well what is it, Fox racing shocks, which,
as they say, are a big deal on the off
road aftermarket. UM has an adjustable terrain management system with
six settings including street, Baja, mud and sand. UM. But
the big news is the power train, right yep? Uh
say audios via condios to the V eight. Uh. Now
they have a twin turbo charged three point five leader

(42:29):
Eco Boost V six. It's four fifty horsepower. Unfortunately tend
speed automatic transmission. Yeah, but you know what, here we
are again with this. This is how they saved wait
right yeah, yeah, okay, so they saved weight by going
from the V eight into you know, to the V six.
And of course they're pushing the Eco boost thing in

(42:49):
a lot of their product line, if not all their
product line. And the engine is all aluminum as well. Yeah,
and that does it as well. So you know, there's
you have to give and take. I guess I wish
they could have stuck with the manual transmission in this UM,
but they didn't. So UM. I know, it's strange to
think of this, of this vehicle, in particular not having
a V eight that it has V six. I don't,

(43:10):
I mean, because so is rooted in that V eight history. Yeah,
I know, and I guess it keeps the M s
r P a little bit lower on it as well. Uh,
the M s r P is right around forty nine
dollars a little bit less, a few dollars less, um.
But again, it's strange to think of it, the Raptor
not having a V eight um. But that's kind of

(43:32):
kind of feel the same way about a lot of
the Mustangs as well too, So I don't know. And
and speaking of mustangs, yes, speaking of mustangs. Next up,
we have the twenty seventeen Ford Shelby GT. Three fifty. Now,
if you miss V eights Scott, this this one will
hopefully soften the blow a little. Okay, that's good because

(43:55):
we're talking about and all aluminum again, five point two
lead V eight with a playing crank. Uh that's pushing
five and twenty horsepower with a six speed manual transmission.
Thank goodness. Right, yes, yeah, okay in this case. But
here's what it's really got going for it is that
this is a Shelby vehicle, and Shelby vehicles are always

(44:15):
going to be coveted, so they know that they throw
the Shelby name on this and of course it's a
it's a it's a stand up product, but it is
going to be again, it's gonna be sought after ten
years from now. Then there's no doubt about it. Ms
r P. Yeah, what's the and s RP is right
around fifty dollars. The reason I'm laughing is this is

(44:36):
probably one of my favorite sentences in this article. Actually, no,
you know what, I stand behind it. My favorite sentence
in this entire article, which is very well written, is
referring to the Ford Shelby GT. Three. The author says,
it goes like stink, looks like sex, and sounds like
a superbike eternally cool. Yep, yep, I agree with all those.

(44:59):
You're agree with all of those. Everyone. I think it does.
I think it does. I know it's a it's a
colloquial saying, but but yeah, I believe you know it's
a great car. I think it's an instant classic. I
do too. So what do you think about the next
one seen? Jaguar F Type s Okay, well, um, I'm
a fan of the F type, but again I like

(45:20):
the coop over the over the convertible, and I think
this is this is one of those rare instances where
they released h You know, I know that the coup
has been around for a while. I understand that you
know the the F type, UM, but do you remember
when they released the F type initially? It was a
couple of years ago. Now, I think they did something
unusual at Jaguar. They released a convertible version first of
this vehicle, and usually it's the opposite way around. They'll

(45:42):
throw the convertible out their second UM. So what they're
saying about this one is this is the bmw Z
three coup of the modern era. And I can kind
of see that maybe, I mean, it's it's really expensive.
I don't know. I think that the h Z three
coup was a little bit less money than this, But
then again, I haven't done the inflation calculator versus what
that was, least at what this is. But the m
s r P M s r P on this one's

(46:03):
kind of high D dollars. But what you get for
that is a is a three dainty horsepower supercharge three
liter V six and our all wheel drive is available
of course, UM, but the authors suggests that you don't
get the all wheel drive system. And the reason is
that if you choose the all wheel drive, Jaguar forces
you into the eight speed automatic. Oh there you go.

(46:23):
Lesson learned, Lesson learned a right, So stick with the
the real wheel drive version. And then you get a
choice of transmissions. You can either have the automatic and
if you still want to do the automatic, or you
can get a six speed manual transmission. And zero to
sixty is about five seconds in this vehicle. And you
know what, this car looks good. There's there's one in
our parking structure. I see it occasionally. It parks on
the same floor as I do, and it's it's kind

(46:44):
of a rare sighting. You know, maybe to three times
a week at the most. You park, you park on
the most isolated floor possible. You park on the top
floor of the parking deck. Get this guy's because he
doesn't want anyone to run into his car. Yeah, I
don't want the door dings, I want I want anybody
to run into I want the least amount of traffic

(47:06):
near my car while I'm away from it as possible.
That's why. Well, and that's the lesson learned, by the way,
Because in our other building we had a parking structure
and a lot of people can picture this that had
sloping floors, so you know that you park on the
side of the ramps as you go up. That's not
the case in this one. They're all flat spots. But
there's all those columns that we talked about, if you
we've talked about many times too, million tips. But the

(47:27):
other the other garage, it's the you know, the sloping floor,
you park on an angle thing, and people just tended
to let their doors kind of wing open into the
car right next to them, and uh and it was terrible.
I mean, I ended up with so many door dings
on my cars that even there I tried to find
you know, there it was you park below ground. So
I was going as deep as possible and parking down
there and it worked. You know, there weren't many people

(47:48):
down there. And then here it's the opposite. We parked
on the side of the building. You have to climb up,
and so I go to the very top. And I
know we used to bust your chops about it, but
especially after this part deck, I used to think you're
kind of paranoid, um, But after hanging out in this
parking deck, I completely agree. Well, you know, the thing

(48:09):
is we've talked about these columns that are what every
it feels like they're every twelve feet or so, every
twelve feet and throughout the whole building, and so you
have to park in that in that that concrete jungle.
Really it is like a jungle. It's a concrete jungle.
It's an appropriate use of that term. And so when
you're you're kind of navigating around these things, even in
like a regular sedan like I have. Um, a lot

(48:31):
of people are getting you know, scraped rear quarter panels
in these you know, lots of I mean a high
percentage of people. And I think once that happens, then
they start to care less and less about the appearance
of their vehicle. They've broken the seal almost. It's kind
of like that, it's like, well, this thing's a mild
crap anyways, but who cares about the body work? And uh,
you know, they don't care if they get a door
ding or if they you know, give somebody else abody,

(48:52):
which makes them dangerous. Yeah, I guess so. I mean,
it's just the gut feeling that I get. So I
try to stay isolated up there on the seventh floor. Yeah,
you know, Um, the VW handles pretty well with that.
Like there are a couple of cars out here, a
couple of vehicles that we routinely see in the in
the parking lot. That just mystify me, Like, why would

(49:15):
you take this, this enormous thing into you know, into
the heart of this concrete jungle. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah,
there's so long Like some of these pickup trucks when
they parked the bed, they got the crew cab and
every Yeah, the crew cab and the long bed and
you know it extends out into the lane of traffic.
Well you've seen that probably in any parking lot anywhere

(49:35):
in America really or anywhere in the world as a
matter of fact. But um, anyway, speaking of yeah, speaking
of let's see, we're we're getting we're getting through this,
We're getting towards the ends here. Yeah, let's let's pick
up a little bit about the last three and then
I got my own picks. Yeah, yeah, we gotta get
to your picks. So land Rover evoke convertible, Yeah, evoke,

(49:59):
I saw you pause there, maybe, Yeah, evoke is the
right pronunciation on that one. And this one, I'm not
on board with this at all. I do not like
this one and the reason and I thought, well, man,
this reminds me of something, and I couldn't figure out
what it was until like to like after the very
first line of this of this summary, and it says
after the Nissan Morano lost its roof and its dignity,

(50:21):
which I completely understand that that Nissan Morano that was
a convertible. It's an SUV convertible and if you haven't
seen one, do a quick Google search and look that up.
But to me, that was one of the ugliest cars
ever produced. It's awful looking. It kind of it's in
the same ballpark as the PT Cruiser convertible. They have
such a dramatically different look from the coupe model that

(50:43):
I was talking about that it that it really wrecked
the whole line of the whole thing. Um. But this
is another suv convertible and they're claiming that this is
like the cool version of that. Why, well, you know,
maybe because it has that landrover mystique to it. I
guess they say that, you know, the Vender ninety, you
know that was a cool vehicle. That's an alright vehicle.

(51:04):
I'm not a huge land Rover fan to begin with.
But I think it's an alright, alright thing, Like I
like rovers. I like rovers, uh like range Rovers or
land Rovers. I kind I'm kind of a range Rover
fan versus land Rover. I like them both, but you
know what, I like them both, and I also like convertibles,
but I would like him mixing. And the point of

(51:26):
an suv is not to be like a low slung,
sexy sports performance like high performance convertible. Yeah, I guess.
But they point out here at the end that they
say that, you know, a lot of people are gonna
use these for maybe like surf vehicles, you know, like
down on that down a Malibu or something where you
know it's still and it's a high dollar vehicle. It's
still got an m s r P of fifty one thousand,

(51:46):
four and seventy dollars. So they're saying, like, you know,
maybe if you're living down a Malibu and you want
to carry your surfboards, this might be kind of like
a cool beach vehicle. And that's a fair point, but
it but it also would kind of work in Michigan,
you know, like if you're in the Upper Peninsula in
the sumertime, it gets you know, it's nice there in
the wintertime, it's kind of harsh. It's it's still got,
you know, the capability of a land Rover vehicle. So

(52:07):
so I kind of get that. But for me, I'm
just not biting on this one. I don't think this
is a good idea. I think it's ugly. Man. Well
that's my opinion, and you know, like, I'm sure that
people have different opinions, so maybe they should right in
and you know we can hear about that. Next on
the list is the most expensive vehicle on the list. Finally, finally, right, Yeah,

(52:28):
eight nine thousand, four d dollars. This one's uh, you know,
just about up to the top end of our of
our limit. Um. But okay, how can you argue against this?
Though the nine eleven is always cool, it always has been.
I think it always will be. As they point out,
you know, there was kind of that uh what they
call it, They call it a Mulligan generation. I don't

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know if I maybe I agree. I don't know. I
had to have to see side by side comparison, I guess.
But yeah, they say that team model is a master stroke,
master stroke of Aisle luxury performance and daily driving awesomeness.
Now I kind of get that because I see a
lot of these around town. I think that has to
do with Porsche headquarters being right here in Atlanta. Um.

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But they say that the base rule drive nine eleven
carreer OL packs three hundred and seventy horsepower and has
of course, has three petals. It's a manual transmission UM
zero to sixty and just four point four seconds. And
they recommend you get the coupe version, which I like.
So we're kind of a green on this whole thing here,
are we. It's kind of nice. It's I think, I
think this is spun on. Like, yes, in terms of

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m s RP. You are paying the Porsche price tax.
That's just how it's gonna Well, yeah, but you're getting
you're getting a fantastic vehicle, one that has a long heritage,
one that has proven itself. You know, again, as they say,
this is when you can you know, drive daily. It's
not necessarily a track car. They have versions that are
basically track cars that you can still drive on the road,

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but they're not as um, let's just say that they're
a little bit more temperamental than your your your standard
nine eleven, if you can call it a standard nine,
if such a thing would exist. Yeah. Yeah, but the
price tag also, you know, goes up by you know,
four or five times what you're paying right here for
this one. Sure, so that is definitely true at least
twice as much, and uh speak of doubling up. We

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are at the end of the list here before we
get to your pick, Scott. All right, we have the
twenties seventeen Subaru BRZ and the Toyota eighties six. Yeah. Now,
the Toyota eighties six if you're not familiar with what
we're talking about, that is, formally the car was formerly
known as the f R S and okay, so the
eighty six where that comes from. It's kind of a

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nod to a vehicle that was built by Toyota back
in nineteen the mid nineteen eighties, from nineteen eight three
to about nineteen eighties seven, it was the A E
EIGHTI six Corolla. And this is kind of a legendary
Toyota that has kind of a cult following among you know,
Japanese car fans and or really actually all car fans. Really,
it's kind of a cool vehicle. It doesn't look like
a whole lot when you see it, but you have

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to understand that it was a good daily driver. But
it also ahead um the ability to really like really
could handle well at hey handle the curves. Um, you
could drift this thing. It had a lot of power.
So um, a lot of people really really like this.
Now and one quick note here, Corolla, by the way,
turns fifty this year. This is the again, same as
the Camaro. The Corolla has been around as long as

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the Camaro since nine seven. I didn't even think about that,
but by Galla, you're right. Yeah, so this one this vehicles.
So that's a kind of a long description of why
we're calling it the Toyota eighties six at this point.
So and again this is this is a twin vehicle
maybe if you want to put it that way. The
super ru by r Z and the Toyota eighty six
they're kind of, um, well the most well they're the

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least expensive vehicles on the list, and um, as this
author puts it, they might also possibly be the most
fun vehicles on the list. Yeah, for about for about
five thousand dollars, still less than thirty thou dollars, which
harkens back to our earlier podcast, which you can check
out on car stuff show dot com. By the way,
nice nice, nice right, Uh, nice shameless plug. But yeah, yeah,

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it's inexpensive thousand dollars around there, you can get a
car that is insanely fun to drive. Yeah, two hundred
and five horsepower. Of course, there's a super Reu designed
and built two lead horizontally opposed four cylinder engine that's
this under the hood. And of course the six speed
manual is standard, which is really a really nice touch.

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You can get that. Like the way they say this,
there is an automatic transmission that's available for people with
no soul. Yes, So that's really coming down on in there.
I wasn't I wasn't that harsh. If you don't appear
in mirrors, if your breath does not fog glass, and
if automatic doors don't open for you, then get the
automatic version. But I think everybody's seen these on the

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road by now. I mean they're they're all over the place.
They're great vehicle, they really are cool looking. And uh,
as they say, it's it's a special car that you
can just buy and as they say, bang on it
for under thirty thou dollars. I'll give you a little
tip here, the super b rz uh the m S
r P is about a thousand dollars less than the
Toyota f R I'm sorry, not f R S. It's

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now the Toyota eighties six, So about a thousand dollars less. Now,
I know when you start adding options and you know
the fun stuff. I guess that's where it gets a
little bit more. They're closer in price really, so well, anyways,
that's that's the last two on the list. Scott, I
owe you an apology. What's that? I hope we can
still be friends after you learned this. I said it's fair. Yeah,

(57:33):
I said, I said this was I said they were
the last on our list. I was incorrect. There's one
more we have to add before we get to your picks. Hopefully,
I am redeeming myself. Listeners out there who are thinking, Ben,
you villain? Why did you? Why did you skip this?
Short changed us? Why did you short change us? On

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the ten Toyota four Runner t R D Pro So
you know four Runner, we're all familiar with it. It's
one of the other SUVs on the list. Here. The
TRD Pro package is the crucial part of this, right,
and why it's on the list because it adds a
larger four point oh leader V six So it gets

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the two seventy horsepower and has what they call crawl control. Uh.
It's got an extra inch of ride height because they
have taller springs UM and the shocks add their coilover
shocks by bilsting. They add a capability along with an
aluminum front skid plate. They've got the traction control system

(58:38):
that is supposed to be multi terrain UM similar to
some stuff we see in the Raptor, right, the multi
terran stuff in the Raptor oh and the z R
two and the z R two. Yeah. Yeah, So the
idea is that, you know, it's built as an off
road vehicle. I could see this. They don't mention the that,

(59:01):
they don't mention any convertible stuff, which makes me happy.
Good for them, Yes, it's great for them. Uh, but
I you know, I question I question this one whether
it's going to be a classic in seven. It's a
four runner, right, yeah, it seems like four runners are

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I don't know the M s R P on the
four runner, but but it seems like four runners have
have always been kind of a I don't even want
to say, like a cult favorite, but it just seems
like a lot of people really enjoy them. It's not
really ardent fans. Yeah they do. People that own four
Runners swear by them and would never get a different
type of suv um. But they're dependable. Yeah yeah, personally,

(59:43):
I just don't see the dramatic difference between a four
Runner and something else in that segment. Uh yeah, the
m s rps a little under forty five thousand, Okay,
so they're still they're still kind of expensive. It's middle range,
I guess on our you know, our hundred k you
know limit. But yeah, I can kind of see this
being that, you know, the Forerunner right now is something

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that people still seek. You know, it's been around for
a long time, that that model line. So yeah, maybe
maybe in ten years it still will be cool. Well
we'll have to check back in uh ten years from now.
That's crazy to think about. What are your picks, my picks,
my individual picks. So yeah, all right, I'll go through
these kind of quick because I know we we've added

(01:00:24):
a long podcast already, right, so let me just throw
a few out there and maybe I'll throw a pepper
and a few little facts of why. I think maybe
that that there will be classics Ortain, not classics, but
desirable ten years from now. Oh we have to remember
to cook up a nickname for Dylan. Oh that's right.
How about Uh well, well we gotta get there, We'll
get okay, I'll try alright. So my first pick would be,

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and this is this is hard to believe. This is
the tenth generation of this vehicle, but I think it's
gonna be a strong one, Lincoln Continental. I think people
are gonna seek that one out ten years from now
in much the same way that will seek out you know,
like the great big audies you know from ten years ago,
um or you know, um, I don't remember how many

(01:01:06):
years ago this was now, but like the the VW Phaeton,
you know, the great big luxury vehicles that you know,
the extreme luxury vehicles that are now affordable ten years later.
I think people are gonna want that. So I feel
like that's one that people are gonna end up searching,
you know, you know eBay or Craigslist, you know, midnight,
two am whenever it is, um the price, this is surprising.
They start right around forty four thou dollars, So I

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thought it was gonna be much higher than that. Looking
at the concept vehicle that they released in Man, that
thing is slick looking. I really like the concept vehicles.
Really surprising that the price point would be that low. Yeah,
I thought so too. I mean, because this is we're
talking about a luxury this thing. Just here's a good example. Okay,
you can get now. I think this maybe is not
the forty four thousand dollars, but you can get one

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with a four horse power twin turbo v six, so
pretty strong. It has things like thirty way adjustable power seats,
thirty way adjustable. Can you believe that? So you're you're
talking about a vehicle and that has extreme luxury features
built into it for that that type of price. I
think this is the one that people are later going

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to look back and say, you know, I think I
would like to get something like that because it's got
everything I want for relatively little priced. Ten again, ten
years from now, what's it going to be valued at.
I'm just baffled because they knew a little bit about
these vehicles. I followed, I follow Lincoln and the thirty
thirty way adjustable thing. Cracks me up. Was one of
the engineers, like, we have twenty eight levels of adjustment

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for the driver's seat. And then someone else said, what
are we peasants? Yeah, the ghost of Henry Ford came
back and said, add two more fire your ass? Yeah,
what sticks? That was a little strong. Maybe I should
have said that, Oh we'll beep it. Yeah, yeah, all right, right,
I'm sure. Oh you know, one one the last quick
thing on that one. I think one thing that would

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have made that car so much cooler. Again, this is
coming out the Link Continental. If they had included the
suicide doors like they did on the fourth gen cars
back in the nineteen sixties, that would have been They
had two concept vehicles and on one of the concepts
they did have those suicide doors. That was back in
two thousand two, and that's a different vehicle completely. It
has more of the classic lines and they did include

(01:03:18):
those doors. But in the twenty fifteen concept vehicle they
did not include them, and of course they're not on
the on the production vehicle. All right, So going on,
here's my next picken lotus Evora. Now this one is
as again, this is gonna be the probably the most
expensive one on the list one dollars, but it does
come in under our one k top you know, our

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cap um. First of all, it's a Lotus. I think
that's always gonna be desirable. Um, it looks amazing on
the road. It's you know, I got this bonded aluminum chassis,
mid engine layout, four horse power, it's at three point
five lead V six. I just I feel like, um,
you know car that goes zero to sixteen four point
three seconds and and looks like us, and it is
a Lotus and has all this going for it. I

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feel like that's one that people are gonna want ten
years from now, twenty years from now, even so that
one seems to be a shoe in on the list,
and again it comes in just under what we what
we said as our limit. And then the last one,
this is kind of surprising. Maybe Dodge Viper. You can
still get a Dodge Viper in I think it's the
last year. However, Um, the starting price on Dodge Viper

(01:04:25):
is nine dollars, so it's right, So it's right around
the Lotus Vivora price ninety thousand. I know it's expensive,
but again I'm still playing within the rules, right, barely. Yeah,
that's right. And this is not the a c R
track car or anything like that, you know, the really
cool version this is. But you're still getting an eight
point four leader V ten horse power car. It's a

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it's huge, just a monster car. Zero to sixty is
in three point four seconds, which is hard to believe
when you look at the size of a Viper in person.
A giant vehicle. But yeah, yeah, so it's just again,
I know that's pushing the boundaries of our of our
limits here, but I think in ten years people are
still gonna want vipers. I'm actually attempted to agree with that. Um,

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I think the Grand Sport and the Viper are probably well,
again it's just my opinion, but I think those are
the most solid picks that convertible land rover get out
of town. So we agree on So, well, that's a
great that's a great one. Man. Yeah, thank you. I
appreciate You're right, it's a monster's vehicle. But yeah, I

(01:05:32):
respect that you slid in just just under the price points.
You obey the rules, pushing the pushing the parameters. But
but it worked, and I'm sure that they're you know,
there's others out there, there's gotta be and of course
it's all again, it's all of everybody's opinions. So we
would love to hear from our listeners, you know, before
we you know, kind of sign this one off before
we wrap up. We have to get to Dylan's nickname. Yes,

(01:05:55):
good call um Dylan the viper faking. How about Dylan
ten years on game? Ten years on? That's a that's
a log, that's a long ten years on. Um. How
about Dylan the decade fagan that's bad. Yeah, but that's
a weird one because people would be like, why did
they call you the decade? Yeah? I guess that's what

(01:06:17):
it would have to be. The decade, right, yes, the situation, right,
the decade. Uh. And for no, we could do an
old turbocharge brown. No, I don't know, all aluminium brown.
That's kind of These are all kind of generic. We
need to get something specific to the ten year Yeah, yeah,
time zone k brown. Yeah, that's I don't know. I

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don't know. These are kind of weak. I don't know. Well,
maybe maybe our listeners will have something better, something a
better suggestion. They have to have something better than that.
That's true. Uh, it is. The secret is out, the
badger is out of the bag, the gases out of
the tank on this one, folks, Uh, what is it if?
If that's not your bag ac carrots, that's your pack
of carrots. Uh? You are You are much better than

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you know, I'm really intrigued by what people think is
going to be something that's desirable ten years from now.
So my money is on the viber Man, but I
think that was the best one. You gotta remember the rules.
It's got to be a model year under one hundred
thousand dollars. So there's those those the only two rules.

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Right in with out whatever you like. And if they
haven't been on you know, the the the autoblog list
or you know the three that I picked, um, you know,
maybe we'll read them on the air, and we will
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We talked about this off air briefly, but we do
want to thank Alex who wrote in on Twitter and
said big thank you to Car Stuff HSW for helping
me with trivia. Last weekend in nineteen seventy two, the

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VW beetle outran the model. T Alex says, so shocked
that I recalled that. Well, hopefully we're helping people. It's
just like that's it, Ben, We're helping people, one person
at a time, one trivia question time. So we are
heading out. Thank you so much for listening. We do
want to hear your opinions again on cars that will

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not classics still be cool ten years from now, this
model year under a hundred large and uh, any future
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