Nuts and Bolts – April 2017

What do you do when you have a stack of news stories, listener mail and leftover show notes piled up on your desk? Well, around here, that means it’s time for Scott and Ben to record another episode of Nuts and Bolts.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Let's go behind the wheel, under the hood and beyond
with car Stuff from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hi,
and welcome to car Stuff. I'm Scott, I'm Ben. We
are joined today by our super producer's nol nickname to
be announced Brown and Dylan uh to to be d Yeah,

(00:24):
Vegan because we forgot Scott. We forgot to give him
a nickname in our previous episode. Oh we did, didn't Wait,
So I'm gonna go with h Dylan red Market Fagan.
I like it. Okay, good enough, all right, we've we've
we've got square for that last one. We're caught up. Now,
we're caught up. Now, let's see if we fall behind

(00:45):
again at the end of this one. But there's lots
of potential in this one. Yeah, because speaking of catching up,
this is the return of something we like to do
every once in a while. Yeah. Yeah, this one's nothing
bolts episode. And sometimes we rely a little bit more
on stories. Sometimes it's uh um focused on listener mail.
I think this one's got just a little bit of both.
I mean, not a lot of listener mail on this one.

(01:06):
I've been trying to answer quite a bit of listener
mail over the last couple of months, but I see
you and I want to say that I'm sorry. I
have it help youven have helped you help all the time.
I mean like I will occasionally write to someone in
a one murder reply if I think something super cool. Well,
and I'm not talking so much that with the replies,
but I'm saying I will often come to you in

(01:27):
the office and say, hey, what do you think of this?
Or did you know did we forget to include that?
Or you know we talked with discussions about what they're
write in about, and then I reply with the message
comes from me. I'm the mouthpiece, I guess, but but
you're in on it. Oh, I like a puppet master
and the power behind the email. Think I think you are. Yeah,
that's really cooler behind the show. Wow, yeah, thank you.

(01:48):
I mean technically speaking, on almost every level, that's our
super producer team. But I appreciate it. Uh. Well, I've
got some listener mail too, but we also have some
stories and maybe some topical things. Yeah, there's a few things,
like some some interesting things that have happened recently that
I want to cover, and I'm gonna saved one. I've
got one put off to the side here. I'm touching

(02:10):
it right now. It's on the side here, tapping it.
It's going to it's gonna be a surprise, I think
for you, and I think for most of our listeners.
It's got all of our listeners. So listen along. We're
going to be we're gonna be hitting several topics here,
and Scott, if I may, I would like to. I
would like to kick off the first thing, please begin,

(02:32):
all right, thank you? So recently, uh, your commute changed
in a very unenviable Oh no, uncool way. This wasn't
the thing you were saving, was it? No? Noday? So
as you may have heard, ladies and gentlemen in our

(02:53):
neck of the woods here in Atlanta, Georgia. Gosh, how
many days ago was it? This was on Thursday last week,
so let's call it four days okay, So on Thursday
of the previous week from which we record this now,
a part of a very important interstate here in the city,

(03:15):
within the city limits collapsed like it looked as though
someone had cut a piece of sheet cake out of
like a flat piece of sheet cake out of a pant. Yeah,
it's not a jagged break on this thing. It's a
very distinct, like here's you know, right at the pillar
and right at the pillar on the other side. The

(03:37):
result of this, and it was a fire, by the way,
that brought this thing down. It's just a long lost,
sustained fire underneath the bridge that caused us to happen,
caused the steel and the concrete and everything to you.
I ever read a little bit about the science behind
why this happened. Steel reinforced concrete. Concrete can hold higher
temperature than steel can, and eventually, when it gets to
a certain point temperature wise, it's almost as if the

(04:00):
within there doesn't even exist anymore. It's like it's just
it's like butter. It's like soft butter. And also the
some officials or city groups were storing a bunch of
construction material under there in a way that was against code,
some type of plastic piping or something, and that was
fueling this fire for a considerable amount of time on

(04:21):
fry I'm sorry, a Thursday night, but this fire was
just belching this black smoke everywhere, and the flames were
above the above the road above, you know, above the
surfaces an elevated bridge of course, above another road below it,
and the flames are so high they're going around the
bridge sides. Well, people are still driving over it at
some point early on before they got it blocked off. Unbelievable.

(04:45):
There's video, there's there's audio of this happening. It's crazy.
That's the tail end of Atlanta's rush hour. And somehow,
as far as we know, no one was injured. Yeah,
one which was killed and speaks very high HI lead
to the local emergency responders. Yeah, And it's incredible that
they were not underneath that bridge fighting that fire when

(05:07):
it when it came down. I think they were smart
enough to get out. They knew or they could read
the signs of what was happening and evacuated. But just
it was a crazy commute home. I I nearly That's
the way I go to and from work every day.
And already sometimes I think I've I've mentioned this probably
too many times, but my commute is anywhere from an
hour and a half to two and a half hours,

(05:27):
depends on the traffic and conditions we're going to, weather conditions, etcetera.
And if you have to pull over to give someone
the business, yeah, CPR whatever you know, Yeah, whatever I
have to do, right, I mean, so but I but
I take that bridge, that that that highway system right there,
I take that home, uh well to and from work,
I guess. And so I'm on there twice a day.

(05:49):
Seven hundred feet of this bridge is gonna have to
come down and be reconstructed. It's gonna take several months.
Two hundred thousand cars a day travel over that. I've
seen numbers a little higher, like two fifty cars a
day make their way across that bridge. So that means
that all of the um ancillary roads, the smaller roads
off to the side the highway. There's three other highways,
but the smaller roads or what's gonna really really take

(06:11):
the brunt of this. So all those people are gonna
have to find a new route to work or to
school or whatever home for months and months. They say,
it's not a quick fix. It's not something that just
drop in and it's repaired. This is gonna take a
long long time. And already and we're only four days
into this, and and right now it's got this added
complication that it's spring break, uh here in the state,

(06:33):
at least anyways of this region. So a couple of things.
You know, a lot of people are trying to get
through Atlanta, and you need that that that's a critical
part of the Atlanta Highway system. But also um it's
it's given us like, you know, reduced rush hour traffic
in the morning and in the evenings because you know,
schools aren't in, people are taking the week off, you know,
traveling down south or whatever. So we don't really have

(06:55):
an idea of what it's going to be like next
Monday when everybody's trying to get to school and work.
It's going to be a lot different. That's the true
test of this whole thing. But it's a crazy scenario.
I mean, I don't think I've ever heard of anything
like this ever happening. Before. They take down bridges intentionally,
you know, they reroute people, but this was like, this
happened over the span of about forty five minutes. Yeah,

(07:16):
and it just left a really strange feeling around here
for this whole weekend. And I know people are still
trying to figure things out. And that's the That's another
thing that's a really important point. Although we are not
used to this is not the kind of thing people expect, right,
we do know that statistically things like this are bound

(07:39):
to happen because the public infrastructure and and roads are
for the most part, part of public infrastructure at some level.
The public infrastructure in many regions and in many states
here is in dire need of assistance, you know. And
don't get me wrong, I mean, I know, I know
bridges come down in major cities, but this city, this

(08:02):
city is so we we talked about this all the
time in this podcast. I think our audience knows that
that it's a crowded, crowded city already, and this is
just going to amplify everything. So you know, what's going
to happen. Because this is a seven million you know,
the population in Atlanta is around seven million right now.
Crazy number of people trying to get into and out
of the city every day. It's really gonna be interesting

(08:25):
to see what happens. And not only that, this is
like a this is a funnel point I guess for
everybody from you know, the entire what would call it,
I guess the Eastern Seaboard comes through this city in
order to get down to Florida or down to maybe
even down to Alabama or Louisiana, places like that. You know,
you pass through Atlanta at some point so um, I'm

(08:45):
just an interesting situation. I know it's very local for us,
but but it's interesting to see the way that they're
going to handle this, or it will be interesting to
see what happens. Scott makes me wonder, are this might
be the last time we see each other in person? Man,
My just have to record online and maybe you might
have to set up a home studio or something. Yeah,
it would be an interesting idea. You might have to

(09:06):
travel the wilds of Atlanta on like a camel or
something to make a trek into town. Get a pilot's license,
and I could land on the roof here. That is
so cool. Yeah, the roofs big enough you could build
your own helicopter. Remember we talked about that crazy guy. Yeah,
I've seen him around recently. He's still alive. Which no,

(09:27):
but similar maneuvers were happening now, the circling over an
intersection thing, which why is he filming something? They don't
know what that guy is doing. It's a homemade helicopter
is close enough to hear you if you show you
know what, No, because the contraction is so loud and
it's it's crazy. It's a crazy device. Is this this thing?
Is bizarre to see. But um, yeah, he's still behaving

(09:49):
in the same manner with his homemade helicopter over our city,
which is weird. Weird, Yeah, yeah, weird. He's really putting
some people in peril, I think on the ground. I
do have one point about this before we move on. So,
Beijing retro fitted a bridge. Have you seen this video?
Beijing retro fritted a bridge um in forty three hours. Wow,

(10:15):
and they brought it Okay, So what they did is
they took apart the old structures and that's like a
few hours. Then they brought an entire piece of concrete
to bridge the gap and paved it over. And to
build the bridge they used over a hundred tons of
new surfacing material and that saved months of commotion and

(10:37):
traffic woes. They called it a new integrated replacement method.
Forty three hours. I'm gonna send the video to you
and I'm also going to post it on Twitter so
that anybody's interested can check this out. That is impressive
because we're talking about months and months here in this situation.
Next year. That's crazy. All right, you want to move

(11:00):
on to something else, now, all right, let's let's go
through these a little bit faster. Um. Oh, by the way,
that you know something else that happened this week, it's
another news item. Um well, actually this happened right at
the very end of March, so yeah, maybe a couple
of weeks ago. This this has to do with the
Monster Jam World Finals Freestyle Championship and this was held
in Las Vegas, Nevada. A driver did a planned front

(11:23):
flip and it was planned. It wasn't. It wasn't something
that just happened by accident, because it has the the
the appearance that maybe it just happened by accident. But
he landed it. Yes he did, and it was the
crowd went crazy. I mean you could see this online
and um, I think it was Josh Baker that sent
this to us on Facebook that I first was alerted
to this. And it's pretty remarkable. The driver is a

(11:43):
guy by the name of leo'donnell and the truck is
the VP Racing Racing Fuels Mad Scientist truck. So it
looks kind of well, they all look kind of cool.
You know, they've got the fiber last body of work
and all that stuff. Um, but what a cool thing.
So they have this, uh, this this Freestyle Championship part
of the Monster Jam that you know allows them to
I don't know if it's three minutes or what the
time frame is really, but allows them to just go

(12:04):
out and kind of do everything that they want on
the the open field there. It's kind of like it's
like playtime for monster trucks, right, and that's maybe the
best way to go. So they do all kinds of
crazy stuff right like they're doing of course, doing a
lot of backflips and jumps and um, you know, you know,
ending up on one wheel and riding across the floor.
It's amazing to watch, really, it's incredible. Um. But this

(12:26):
this of course put him right to the top of
the leaderboard and ended up winning the event for that night.
But um, this is really cool. So you need to
you need to watch this in order to get an
appreciation of what's going on. And technically this is not
the first ever flip that ever happened. There's one that
was set up to happen back in with a special
ramp and everything, and Guinness was there to record it

(12:47):
as the first ever and and it actually happened, but
due to technicality, it wasn't counted as a first as
the first front flip, because I think there was something
like he landed on the rear wheels, but the guy
ended up on uh, ended up on all four wheels.
That's like making the jump but or making the flip.
But for whatever technicality reason that you know, the Guinness
people didn't accept it as the first ever flip. But

(13:10):
again that's more of a stage thing. This was. This
was done kind of by surprise. You know, the crowd
wasn't expecting it to happen when it did. But again,
you just have to see it in order to believe it. Again,
that's Leo o'donald in the Mad Scientist VP fuels. Yeah,
check it out. And it's one of those things that
you want to watch in slow motion, maybe even a

(13:30):
couple of times just to kind of grasp what's going
on there. But it's it's really Martin remarkable and he lived.
Oh well, you know, when you look at it, you
think like that's a lot of punishment for that drift.
It would be great to get inside one of those things.
I have a very brief listener mail, okay, and I
think you're really going to enjoy this well, I hope so.

(13:51):
Rob f writes to us on Twitter to say, hey,
car stuff, watch your Amazon video for Rally North America
and loved it very good. Wait for it. Oh no,
totally not swagger jacking. We were just lost. I know exactly.
I want to let me come clean here. If you're
carefully listening to that. At the end, I think I said, like,

(14:13):
I think it's pretty cool. Actually I remember talking to
this person. Yeah, yeah, during the rally. There was there
was no animosity. Yeah that's right, there was there was nothing.
There was no bad blood there. We were just having
fun for the video. But but I know exactly who
this is. It was a great time. If you watch
the video, we're in that video. We are pretty happy

(14:34):
overall that we saw another another rally car, because every
time we saw another rally car, we're like, all right,
I can't be that wrong. Yeah, well we knew Rob
was on the right track, so you know we were
on the right track. I guess, oh yeah, don't know.
It was a it was a fun time and that
that videos that I don't know, it's it's something that
I'm really proud of that video really, I mean I
think it's it turned out really well and we had
such fun doing that rally. Um, I think that comes

(14:57):
across in the in the that was frustrating at times, sure,
and I think that comes across in the video as well.
But Rob, we were we were, We weren't any way
angry with you. Don't don't take it that way. It's
just having a little fun with the the addit, I guess. Yeah.
And I think at some point our editing team fell
in love with the phrase swagger checking. Yeah, I think

(15:17):
they did it. And and I'm glad. I'm so glad
that if you watch the video at the end where
we both I think it was you and I were saying, like,
how how cool Robb is? Actually yeah, yeah, well everybody
at the rally was really cool with us. Um. You
can check that video out for free on Amazon if
you have Amazon Prime, they'll show it to you without commercials.
But if you go for free at the link, you

(15:38):
can find on our Twitter, our Facebook, um, everywhere. It's
all over the place. So it's the Internet is lousy
with this thing. Now you can, uh, you can watch
it with some brief commercials, but do way in if
you're feeling uh, if you're feeling charitable, you know, uh,
feel free to give us a a rating on Amazon,

(16:02):
or tell your friends or share the link every time
you do one of those three things. Um, our daily
beatings here at work are about three minutes shorter. Yeah,
so be kind please. Yeah. I think we're gonna say
something like, every time you do that, um, a rally
car gets a decal something like that, you know, like

(16:24):
an angel gets its wings, that kind of thing. Do
I need to explain this rally car? How about a
rally car? No, I'm done. I'm done with it. We'll
just leave it at that. But you know what, speaking
of speaking of commercials, maybe we should take a moment
for a short break of our own. Agree and we're

(16:50):
back you. You mentioned earlier at the top that we should,
um just step through things quickly. And sorry it took
so long with the I five collaps. I'm just very
INTU did and what you have to think, ladies and
gentleman and dramatic video. So check it out and and
realize like what we were, what we were up against
their last Thursday in traffic in Atlanta, which is already hell.

(17:10):
All right, So I've got one thing that I want
to mention this. I guess maybe it's a stuff scot season. Alright.
So here's what I saw the other day. And I
had to look carefully at this too to understand what
was going on. But from a long way away, UM,
I saw a big jet and I saw a smaller
vehicle flying right next to it, and I thought, well, okay,

(17:32):
this is a military escort of some uh you know,
maybe it's a um who knows, maybe it's Air Force one.
Maybe it's a you know, vice president coming into town
or something like that. I didn't know what was going on,
so I watched it for a while. As I got
closer and closer, I realized, that's a that's a passenger jet.
It was just, you know, like one that I don't know,
maybe Delta or somebody would own, right, a jet like that.
And the vehicle to swine near it wasn't a military jet,

(17:55):
it wasn't an escort. It was just like a regular
prop lane, a small prop lane. And I thought, well,
that's weird. What you know, what am I seeing here?
Why would they be doing that? And then it kind
of dawned on me. You know, when you're you know,
on a plane and you're watching their safety videos and
all that, and you see kind of like the beauty shots,
the b roll of a plane, our jet in the air.
That's that's probably what they were doing. If not testing,

(18:16):
they might have been, you know, filming something outside. Uh
you know, while they're testing. We're in a test flight
of some kind. But I thought my initial thought was
that this is a again like a military escort or
some kind, but it wasn't. And the the possibility that
they're doing like a photo shoot or you know, just
kind of beauty b roll type shots, I guess for
that airline that had to have been what it was.

(18:39):
I would assume that's what it was anyways. I mean,
it just it just had that feel in that look.
But I've never seen that really from the ground anyways,
or or from anywhere around. It could have been a movie,
you know what it could have been, because we have
a huge movie industry down here, so that's a possibility.
We've got air aircraft manufacturers that are down here, We've
got military bases that are down here. Maybe there's something
going on with that. Uh. Anyways, I just thought it

(19:00):
was strange. I don't know if it's testing an observation,
or if it was you know, again just something that's
more pr focused. Did you hear what the common portmanteau is, No, No,
yllywood yallywood, like the word y'all plus Hollywood. Really yeah,
oh y'allywood. Okay, I got I wonder if we're gonna
get a sign that says that up in the up

(19:22):
in the mountains somewhere. Super impressed with that, Scott, Yeah,
very well, was it not? Is that? Is that pun
not up to your no's? I'm impressed. That's a what if?
What if? What if we get that up in the
up in the hills somewhere, like you know, fifty ft
letters y'all about it? You know, have the local teens
go there to raise raise some heck, you know, I

(19:43):
think I just read something about the Hollywood sign that
said that, Um, it wasn't necessarily a nod to uh,
you know, Hollywood, like the industry and like the film industry.
I think it was something that was erected by a
guy that was trying to sell real estate up in
the Hollywood Hills at the time, and he wanted to
draw attention to that area or to himself. I don't
don't remember exactly the story, but again, it was like

(20:03):
a real estate developer that came up with that idea,
kind of promote the idea that you know, you can
you can live up in these in this area. It's
remote at this time, but it's possible. Don't you want
to live by a sign? Signs were very big deal
back well, I mean it's a it was an attention grabber.
I mean, no one had ever seen anything like that, Sure,
and it became iconic. Maybe that's the key man. Maybe

(20:24):
you just have to create your own prestige. Maybe you
should get a big sign in a hill near you
that just says Scott. I don't think I'll be doing that,
but you'll have the back of like every other Scott
that sees it will have your back. Oh yeah, So
what's that market? Like? Maybe a half of one percent
of everywhere the whole world. I wonder how many people

(20:47):
are named Scott in the world. I just feel like
this very can't do attitude. Yeah, I'm kind of shooting
down your ideas everybody. Um, well, okay, what if what
what if there's been in lights somewhere around town here
all out? It is that? Right? Yeah? And also Ben
is UH a series of letters that occurs in uh
A lot of things. So you know you do. I

(21:11):
feel a little bit of unnecessary smugness when I drive
by a Bennigan's. You bet it. I even hold like
my hand over. I closed one eye and hold my
hand over so you just see the bin part. Oh yeah,
it's nothing. Nothing, A little bit psychotic about that. Hey, um,
you know what I'm I'm a little bit upset that
I have to go to Bennigan's today. Thanks a lot,

(21:32):
You're welcome that thought put in my head. He send
me a picture. I hear they've got a deal on apps.
This podcast is, by the way, not brought to you
by Bennigans. You know what. I've got another moving on,
moving on, moving on. I've got another little bit of uh.
I don't know if you can call it listener mail,
but it's it's from Facebook. I guess it's a listener mail, right, Yeah, yeah,
that's about a podcast episode that we had. And um,
it's from a guy named well, his names right out

(21:54):
there on our page, so I'll just say it. It's
Bill Ness and Bill road In and said this is
regarding our board Ward EPISO. So so he says, uh,
today I heard your show on the board Ward, which
I had never heard of before today, which we hadn't
really heard of until we started researching it. Really, but
he says, just at a coincidence, Restoration Garages had an
episode on the Velocity channel that was about a nineteen

(22:15):
fifty nine Isabella Coop on the very same day that
our podcast released. So isn't that strange? What it was?
What a weird thing? And he he said, you know,
that reminded me of you know, your better Minehoff phenomena
thing that you had mentioned all the time that that happens.
But it happened right then, like the very It was
an instant I think it's we even talked about that
during that episode, right, so there is instant instant results

(22:37):
for Bill. Thanks for writing in, Bill, I had no
idea that was going on air. That was just a
complete coincidence on our part. Was it? It was? It was?
And going back to another another piece of listener mail,
this is an email that we received. I'm gonna read
a little bit more of this because it's it's pretty interesting. Um.
First of all, it's correction. It comes from a guy

(22:58):
named from Gary G. And Gary EG is listening to
us in Germany and he has a correction on our
episode that was about you remember the one that was
about cars and trucks that you'll still crave ten years
from now. I think that was back in late February
of this year that we recorded that episode, And he says, well,
I'll just read his note here. Hi, Ben and Scott

(23:18):
have been a longtime listener and usually really enjoy most
of the topics you bring up, especially with some of
the historically oriented episodes on famous cars, racing people things
like that, like Smokey Unich. That was one of his
favorite things. Well, thanks, by the way, Gary, I appreciate that.
But he says being a GM and muscle car fan
was something of a history he has, and he mentions
over the last sixteen years he's had a ninety eight

(23:39):
Camaro with the V six, a seventy nine Camaro with
the V eight, a Formula fire Hawk from two thousand.
He currently has a ninety nine trans Am uh so
a fire Hawk version. Um So, he's seen a lot
of these these general motive products, and he has a
particular interest in, uh the f body stuff, you know,
the Camaro and the Firebird and you know all that
other stuff he goes along with it. So he liked
the sobody said, we did get a couple of things wrong.

(24:01):
And one thing that he that he mentions and I
checked this out. He's right. Um, he says, you got
the motor wrong on the Corvette Grand Sport. It has
the LT one motor, not the l T four motor.
The LT four is the supercharge engine that's used in
the Camaro z L one and the Corvette zero six. Well,
all the lower models, and that's in parentheses are and quotes. Rather,

(24:22):
the lower models of both v A Camaro and the
Corvette used the LT one motor. So he's right. I mean,
I listened to it again. But the thing is, I
look back at the article that we were following along
with and I think it was I don't know if
his auto blog or who it was that had written that, um,
but they had inadvertently put in there that the LT
four was the motor of choice in the in the

(24:42):
Grand Sports. So I went to the Chevy site and
verified that it is the LT one that comes in
the Grand Sport. Yeah. Very nice, very good catch. Good catch,
we appreciate it. And um, another interesting little note about
that engine or about what what Gental Motors is doing now,
because We've talked before about how they'll put the same
engine in different products and they'll downgrade it. They'll say, well,

(25:06):
it's the same engine that's in the Camaro in the Corvette,
but the Corvette for some reason has five horsepower more.
You know. That's kind of like they're playing this this
game where um, you know, that's like the top dog, right,
and and the other one gets rated a little bit less,
and it's done. It's simply on paper. It's not changed
in any way. So that he says that they're not
really doing it anymore. So he says, you know, contrary
to earlier models like the LS one era, you know,

(25:28):
like ninety seven and up, GM is opted to not
artificially reduce the horse power output of the motor or
underrated in the Camaro. So the horsepower rating is identical
for both cars. Of course, with the Vet's lower curb weight,
the performance is slightly better. So I understand that. But
it's interesting they're not doing that, you know that Um
down what was they called down or underrating? I guess maybe? UM,

(25:51):
So interesting there, And he also mentions this, Now, this
is the last thing I'll mention from his email here,
but um, he says, As for the transmission, I get
the feeling that neither of you have driven the A
eight or the A ten. That means the automatic eight
eight speed or automatic ten speed. Um. I have driven
in eight speed, it's in my my wife's vehicle, but
UM not the General Motors version of that. I'll have

(26:12):
to admit that I haven't driven the General Motors version
of that. He says, Well, I personally do prefer the
manual transmission. By the way, he's get a Camaro fifty
that's on the way to him. He's he's ordered it already. Um.
He says that GM does have a pretty decent automatic
transmission in both the A eight and the new E ten.
A test drive of an AID equipped two thousand and
seventeen s S did not he I guess he did

(26:34):
not notice much of any gear hunting in that in
that test drive. He hasn't driven the A ten and
doesn't know how that's gonna be. But um, uh, you
know whether or not you're even in automatic mode. You know,
there's different modes you can put this in. UM. You know,
you can put it in sport or track or you know,
various other modes. But um, in those modes, it's going
to be more performance oriented and quicker shifting, of course.

(26:54):
But if you're in a ten speed version of that
and you know, let's say the top three or more
or like overdrive gearing, you know, so that you know,
it might hunt around a little bit, but it's supposed
to be less noticeable. But again, we don't have any
experience in the GM eight or tense uh ten speed automatics.
You're right, uh, To be fair, I've only driven the
Chrysler version of that so or a Jeep version so

(27:16):
HUM and other vehicles. I guess we've done some test
driving stuff recently with vehicles that had pretty fancy automatic transmissions,
and you can feel some of that gear hunting happening.
And I can feel in my own car, which is
a six speed automatic from Volkswagen, and it just seems like,
well we discussed it in that episode that it just
seems like, um, it's constantly searching for a better gear constantly. Yeah. Yeah,

(27:39):
that's no need to over describe it here, I guess. Feedback, Yeah,
it was nice. Well, thanks for the for the note gear.
I appreciate it, and you know, we're always open to
corrections and I'll look into them and you know, if
it's something valid, sure we'll read it on air as always. Yeah,
you're the most important part of the show. Thank you
for keeping us honest. Uh. The best suggestions for upcoming
episodes come from you, speaking of you, Uh, not the

(28:03):
general you, but you, Michael A. Specifically, you wrote to
us via email and said, could you do a podcast
on the origins of automobile badging? What was the first badge?
Where did the boat I come from? How do Mercedes
come up with their symbol? If you look at older cars,
you don't see a badge, you see the company name.
How do car companies make the transition? Thanks Mike. Here's

(28:25):
the thing, Mike, Scott and I have actually looked into
the history of some of this stuff, and it is
such a rabbit hole. You would be very surprised how
quickly those very clear and articulate questions, which we have
also asked, become murky. You know, throughout the years, as
we've done this podcast, we've tried to focus in on,

(28:47):
you know, what makes those badges unique or what they
stand for. As we talk about certain makes or marks,
are you know as specific um models even um you know,
with with numbering and you know the new numbering and
lettering that they do, the kind of alphabet soup version
of what a car's name. Now, we talked about all that,
and we have talked about the badges, you know, like

(29:08):
what they symbolize, so like you know, Mercedes with the
you know, land, sea and air, you know for the
three points of the star, that type of thing that
that comes up during the episode. But we haven't compiled
it all into one concise episode, you know, I haven't.
It's not down to one badging episode. And again, you're right, Ben,
that's a that's a huge rabbit hole because there are
thousands of these. We usually find, as you said, Scott,

(29:30):
we usually find the best information about badging. We're really
digging into the story of a specific car manufacturer. I
would love to have a comprehensive badging episode. It's just
gonna take some um, some elbow grease on our party,
some serious digging, really would Yeah, but but it would

(29:51):
be a good idea. So that's that's a fun one.
And maybe we can get to that one in the future.
Who knows. Yeah, yeah, I hope. So hey, you know what, um,
maybe we should take another break for worth our sponsor
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(30:11):
know you've been you've been killing it with this. Uh,
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but I will get carry away or you know, sometimes
will be either of us will get carried away about
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(30:33):
who we still owe a nickname to, Uh, we'll come
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on us. Really. Yeah, I was thinking of a nickname
over the commercial break. Would you like to hear it
was a SmackDown? No, but that's a great all right.

(30:53):
What was it, uh, Dylan Steely Dan Fagan? I like it?
Steely Dan. Yeah, yeah, he was actually Steely Dan. Uh.
He's a big Steely Dan fan, is he? I think? So?
No idea that would explain the gene jacket that he wears.
You know, Steely Dan embroidered across the back. I didn't
know what that was for, but now I get it.
And those uh, those five those four finger rings that

(31:13):
they always spre the that's a steely dan. Yeah sure,
oh man, Okay, all right, I think we've taken that
one far enough. Let's get back into uh mail. How
about listener mail. I've got a good one here, all right. Yeah.
This comes from this comes from a long time listener,
something that we've been you know, writing back and forth

(31:34):
with for many, many years, several years. His name is
Richard Russo, and Richard writes in, well, Richard, just to
you know, remind you a little bit here, Bennet, who
this is. I'm sure you remember. He's the guy that
wasn't Originally I think he was in the tire business
if I remember correctly, and then he became a limo
limo driver. He's a chauffeur. So he sends us photos
from out west all the time. He's he's constantly all

(31:55):
over the place out there, you know, in in Vegas
or Reno or um, you know, I don't know, west
cut the far extreme west coast. He's he's driving a
crazy um limousines, you know, busses sometimes or just stretch
limos that are made you know, out of hot rods,
all kinds of interesting things. So Richards an interesting guy,
like I like writing back and forth with him. But
he writes in this this note, and I think you'll

(32:17):
get the gist of this, that he's writing about the
old days. He's Richard's not a youngster. He's an older guy.
But he writes in kind of like reminiscing about the
old days in this in this uh this email. So
there's a few things here and some of this I
agree with. Some of this. Um, I may argue back
just a little bit. I'll tell you why. It's not
to be mean or anything, but I mean, I think
that there's some kids that still can appreciate some of

(32:37):
the stuff that he's talking about here. So he starts
out with saying kids will never know the joy of driving.
I don't know about that, but I I see where
he's going here, because he said, when I was a kid,
there was no power steering, no power breaks. We had
crank windows, and I think the optional extras were things
like heaters and radios and outside mirrors. Uh you know,
he says, I think in some cars only the left

(32:57):
one was available. So I'm I'm not even sure if
backup lights were an option or not available, but I
think they always were we always had reverse lights, at
least memorable recent history. Anyways. Um. He says, power windows
are not available, air conditioners were not available. There was
a clock maybe, and sometimes he says, you know, of
course at a point there weren't even automatic transmissions. They

(33:19):
weren't even invented at this point. So I maybe give
you an insight into Richard's age here, but he says
when clocks did become available, mine never worked. He says
his father never had a radio because of drain the battery,
and later he wouldn't have electric windows because it was
one more thing to go wrong in the car. And
I totally understand that that's something that we said about
some of these crazier options too. So you know, even

(33:41):
way back then, Richard's dad is concerned about, you know,
just power windows going wrong. So why not, you know,
just stick with the hand cranks they work right, Um.
And he talked about a lot of things here. I'm
not gonna read this whole thing, but he talks about,
you know, double clutching and pump. Oh, here's a good one,
pumping the accelerator to get gas in the carburetor and
then having to pull the choke all the way out
and hoping you don't flood the car. He says, I
don't even think you can flood a car nowadays, And

(34:03):
he's right, you can't. You can't flood a um a
fuel injected engine like you could the old carbureted ones
with the manual choke inside. So I totally get that.
I understand he's talking about like, UM, vacuum powered windshield
wipers and oh, cup holders, that's a funny one. Coup
holders said they weren't even invented yet. If you had
want to have a drink in the car, you either

(34:23):
had to put it between your own legs while you're driving,
and you had to hold, you know, handed your friend
to hold while you're driving. Um, and either way. He's
kind of a trustful yeah yess so, but it was
it was funny. I mean, this whole thing is funny.
He's talking about starters on the floor and dimmer switches
on the floor and horn rings. Um. Anyways, just a
it's a funny list. Here he's got two or three
pages of this stuff, so really good memories of back

(34:46):
back during the old days. But then he gets to
the end here and this is where there's a little
bit of a twist. Um. Now, Richard writes in often
and he tells me that his brother is as a
testl owner, and he's been to the Tesla factory, and
he has taking the tour of the Tesla factory I
think maybe even a couple of times. But he says,
I just bought a car, and I don't think it's
a Tesla, but maybe he says, I just bought a
car that is not only smarter than me and can

(35:07):
tell where I wanted it to take me, but will
also give me turn by turn instructions when I'm getting
while I'm going there, I can set cruise control in
the car, will not let me get too close to
the car in front of me. I don't have air
conditioning or a heater as much as I have a
climate control system with you know, the multi zones and
all that stuff. Right, Um, But he says, if I
have an accident, the car is gonna call for help
for me. I don't even have to do that. And

(35:28):
then he ends with this, I don't think the good
old days were really the good old days at all.
So like now that he's got all this new technology,
like he he started out by saying, kids won't know
the joy of driving and all the you know, the
difficult stuff that you had to do. But then he
ends with, I don't think the good old days were
really the good old days at all, because he on
board with the modern technology. So it's a little bit
of a contradiction. But I get what Richards saying. I

(35:49):
totally understand it. Um, he says, I just wanted to
think about the old days, and you know, it's not
that uh, you know that that they were, you know,
any way better. Really, it's just that, um, maybe he's
seeing the light. I guess that. You know, technology helps
in a lot of ways. Technology absolutely does. You know,
it's weird. I've been having some conversations with people about
nostalgia and looking into some of the research about nostalgia,

(36:12):
and one thing that's fascinating about it is we tend
to remember more our emotional state or the feeling that
we had, rather than the stuff that wasn't great about it. Yeah,
because there's a lot of bad things that go along
with that, but you only pick and choose what you
want to remember from that era. Memories a crazy thing.
So nostalgia is incredibly powerful. I mean, it wants you

(36:33):
it draws you back in, but then at the same
time you forget everything else around it that happened around
the good memories that you have that were you know,
the bad things, and it's it's sometimes, I mean, you
can bring people to tears nostalgia can It really can.
If you sit and think about, you know, the way
things used to be and you want them to be
that way, you can. You can get a little choked up.

(36:53):
But then you realize like, well, maybe it wasn't all
that great because I didn't have this and that that
I do now, um or whatever the case may be.
But Richard, we thank you for writing in again. I
appreciate it, and I hope this, uh, I hope this
keeps you keeps your name out there on the internet
and you can see the street cred that you're looking for,
because he mentioned that he wants the street cred that
us mentioning him on our podcast provides him. Is this

(37:13):
shout out to you, sir, so his world famous again? Yes, uh,
if you are. If you're hanging out with your buddies
right now, we'll speak on your behalf. Richard's a pretty
big deal, you guys, absolutely so act accordingly. Thank you, Richard,
I thank you. We've got another email here. Listener mail

(37:35):
from Michael Inn and Michael in c email is titled
the Cincinnati Exit. Oh. Michael Lynn writes to us with
an email to CINCINNI X dear been in Scott First off,
thanks for the consistently great shows. I really enjoyed your
first Nuts and Bolts episode of Glad you say that, man,
because you're on this one. Here we are again, Here

(37:55):
we are again. I especially enjoy hearing about the regional
things people do. I wanted to for an addition to
your list, I refer to it as the Cincinnati Exit. Sorry,
I'm I don't have a clever alliteration for it, as
I came up with the name a few years ago.
When doing highway driving anywhere within thirty or so miles
of Cincinnati, most cars seem to exit the highway from

(38:16):
the farthest left lane possible, at as high of a
speed as possible. Take a second of process that it
does not make sense. I have no idea why so
many people drive this way. It's horrifically dangerous, causes traffic
to be significantly worse than it should be, but it
also seems to be the norm. It's as though everybody
isn't in an endless race against every other car on

(38:36):
the road. I live about thirty miles north of the city,
and on a typical commute from work downtown to my home,
I'll witness no less than two cars do this per exit.
That's not a type of I really do mean, he's
writing this, I really do mean two cars per exit
per exit. That while that really amps it up, doesn't it? Yeah?
I mean wow? And he also says I just wrapped

(38:59):
up the ten cars and trucks You'll still crave. In
Uh ten Years episode, it was mentioned that the list
was restricted to cars and trucks under a hundred k,
because anything over that mark is arguably a work of art.
The Corvette Grand Sport is, beyond any shadow of a doubt,
a work of art. For considerably less than a hundred k,
it might be the most beautiful car ever made. You

(39:22):
just started some fights there, Michael ahead Uh. That being said,
it was disappointing to not hear the Mazda Miata r
F on the list. If you have a pulse, this
thing should be your bag of carrots. My local Mazda
dealer has one and they're show them right now. I
take it for test drive. Fell in Love handling is unparalleled.
It performs much stronger than inspects suggests. The six B

(39:44):
manual is sublime. Let's pretend the automatic doesn't exist, he says,
all for just over thirty K. Should I ever find
myself with thirty K burning a hole in my pocket,
not holding my breath, there is no question that would
go toward picking up a Miata r F. Thanks Mike
can Also, I like that he brought back bag of carrots.
I do. Yeah, I like that too. Um, I was

(40:05):
thinking about this, like I don't wanna get your tradition.
First off, the Cincinnati exit sounds uh pretty terrified. It
sounds horrific. What if you called it the Cincinnati Curve.
I like Cincinnati Exit better. Yeah, yeah, I do too.
I think I like that you know what to stop
at spike strips, you know, or something like a like

(40:28):
a like a real abrupt curb, you know, like for
the and now you can't do that though, but if
there was like a physical penalty that they paid, you
know when they went over there, like for you know
that it would damage your your vehicle. A lot less
people would do that it's just so weird thinking of
that as a norm. But you know what, I guess
there's always going to be a place though, ahead of
that exit where you know, like it's your last second

(40:50):
to get in on that exit, and if somebody's always
going to be dive in for that, So no matter
what you do in that what do they call it
the place in between, It's called the gore I think,
where you know, the the two lanes kind of uh
separate there, so like the triangle piece of materials that's
left there on the interstate like that, that's called the gore,
I think. And if you were to, uh you know,

(41:10):
in some way make a curb or a wall or
whatever in that area, people again are just gonna assume
that they've got you know, they're gonna back the uh
the point where they want to enter that that ramp
up another hundred feet or whatever you extend it to.
So it's always gonna happen. You know, someone's always going
to be in that last minute position to dive in
in front of you. But man, that's very frequent to
every exit. That's that's unbelievable. Every makes you want to

(41:34):
stay away from Cincinnati doesn't it. I mean, at least
on the highway like Cincinnati. This podcast is brought to
you by the Cincinnati Tour. Is important. No, No, I
don't mean that. I I mean I've actually gone through
Cincinnati and stopped there many times. Oh, King's Island isn't
Cincinnati near Cincinnati? Have you ever been to King's Island?
I have not. It's an incredible park. Isn't King's Hiland

(41:56):
More a state of mind? Maybe that's just what I say.
What I haven't been somewhere is that that's a Jimmy
Buffett songs. I think it is. Yeah, that sounds like
something human, right. Is there any food related verse in there? No?
I don't think so. It does sound like Okay, anyways,
moving on it. You know what I'm gonna remember, I

(42:17):
said that I have one that here that I wanted
to save some time for. So I'm going to go
through this next one quickly, and this one, the one
that I'm about to bring up, is probably better off.
You know, people reading this at home and kind of
grasping what's going on here. It's not a it's not
a happy story, Ben, I'll tell you that up front.
It's something that happened in the Neck of the Woods
where I lived in Michigan, where right around there my

(42:38):
mom still lives there. It's in this the same township,
in Bloomfield Township on Square Lake Road. A horrific accident
happened not long ago, this is the beginning of March.
Killed a mother of three. It was late, not even
late when he was around nine pm when this happened.
It was um a two car wreck. She was traveling
on Square Lake Road at a speed of about fifty

(42:59):
four miles per hour. The driver of a Maserati Ghibli,
you know, so the I think it's like the lowest
end Maserati you can get, you know, but it's still
still Maserati was traveling on the same road at get
This been one hundred and forty four miles an hour
when he rear ended her car, a hundred and forty
four he was, he was going one hundred and forty

(43:21):
four miles an hour, rear ends the car of this
woman who's traveling at fifty four miles an hour. It
kills her. He lives his cars on fire, you know that.
It just destroys her car, of course, just sad, sad, sad. Situation.
I mean, a mother of three killed this guy. Of
course he was not, of course, but he had been
out drinking that night. He had just been turned down

(43:42):
by his fiance. He had taken a ring over to
her house and you know, proposed, and she turned him
down because I think they were broken up. But there's
some some weird story that goes along with this whole thing.
There's so many strange details. This guy gets out of
the car and is is laughing as he's walking around
his burning car, and he's worried about like where his
cell phone is and uff like that. He was acting
really in a bizarre manner. But and here, you know,

(44:04):
this poor woman he's just killed, you know, going but
at the speed a hundred and forty four miles an
hour and lived. I've never heard of this happening. I
was wondering if you know, it's one of those situations
where because he was drunk, he was you know, limp,
you know, loose, slimber. I guess you know, they did
intense up at that moment um. And the reason and
the way that they pieced all this together, you know,

(44:24):
the whole event of the evening is like you know,
one through cell phone service because he was on the
phone when it happened. So he's talking to his ex
girlfriend and he's really listening off the speeds that he's going,
like he's taunting her, like, well, we'll see how this
evening goes. I'm going ninety one, hundred, hundred and ten,
a hundred and twenty and he's counting up and then
he dropped his phone when he got to about one fifty,

(44:46):
and that's when this accident happened. And they they recreated
this also with the black box recorder that's in the Maserati,
so they know that his impact was happened at one
hundred and forty four miles per hour. And when you
look at the car, I mean the Maserati, the damage
doesn't look like what it should for a hundred and
forty four miles an hour. And now I know that

(45:07):
the other car was traveling at fifty four, so the
the rim is not even bent on that front. Right.
It's amazing. I don't know how he survived this wreck.
It's incredible. So again, there's a lot a lot of
details that that I'm missing here in the story that
you know they're in the story. I just don't have
time to really, uh, you know, bring the whole thing
to you. But what a bizarre tale and tragic of course,

(45:27):
but I just have never heard of anything like that.
So that's a ninety closure rate on this on this
vehicle that that. Again, I just don't understand how this happened,
the physics behind this, they're just beyond me. Really, Um,
never heard of anything like that at that high speed. Okay,
do you have one more thing or do you want
me to jump right into my We should jump right in. Okay,

(45:48):
now I tease this early early on. Sorry, I've been
doing a lot of talking in this podcast. I hope
you've been able to get across what you wanted to
have been absolutely Okay, yeah, I hope. So anyways, UM,
this is something that I hope I didn't oversell this
one because I would bet that a lot of our
listeners have never heard of this. But did you know

(46:11):
that in nineteen the entire Los Angeles Auto Show went
up in flames. The entire thing burned, burned every vehicle
on the lot there was. And now this is back
in the day when they would hold the l A
Auto Show intense. Now I'm gonna show you some photos,
and our listeners can go online and look up photos
of this. If you look up nineteen nine Los Angeles

(46:32):
Auto Show, you will find some photographs and I'm gonna
show you this the top photo. There is the tense
that these things were held in. Now if you if
you can picture this, they were like the old circus
tense of you know the long ago that were enormous tents.
I mean just huge, huge tense and there four of
them in a row, and they've got this big, grand
entrance that looks like more of a permanent thing that

(46:53):
was built there, but it's not. It's temporary where it says,
you know, auto show or something like that. Um exactly.
But there were three hundred cars on display. You know.
Of course all the manufacturers had their product there. Again
its right before the depression, and some remarkable vehicles there.
I don't have a list of exactly, you know, the
the specialty vehicles that were there, but there were some.

(47:14):
I remember that someone had some history already at that point,
even you know, the early early cars. But what happened,
or at least what they thought had happened, was that somebody, um.
I think they thought initially that um, someone who was
smoking a cigarette and had ignited this fire. Later it
was reported, because that's one of the initial reports. Later
it was reported that um it was an electrical short

(47:37):
that happened in an area of the UH. The tent
that was for a manufacturer called Mona Coop. Now that
is a builder of a something called the Mono Aircraft
out of Moulin, Indiana, Illinois. Rather so, how strange is
that too, that they've got an aircraft manufacturer there on site.
But so this electrical short or whatever was blamed for it.

(47:58):
Now you can imagine how quickly a hent like that
probably went up in smoke, up in flames. Their photographs
the one below it there is afterwards with all you know,
lines of burned out cars. Every car was completely lost.
They didn't get anything out. But the good news is
no one died during this. During this fire, there was
something like this will give you an idea of the
size of the tents. To hundred people were inside at

(48:21):
the time when this when when this happened and this
ignited and they all got out without panic. They all
were able to find an exit and get out. But
if you look at the photographs of you know where
this UH or what what happened after this? You know,
their crowds gathered all around the thing. Of course it's
still smoldering, and you can see this row after row
after row of burned out cars from that era. You know,

(48:42):
they were brand new in You would think that, you know,
that would be it. That would be the end of
the show. Nothing else would happen, right, It's it's a disaster.
And by the way, you know, relatively, you know, it's
a lesser known thing, not not a lot of people
have heard of this. I would bet that most of
our audience had never heard of this until just now.
I did know that it had happened until I came
across it, like this day in history type thing, because

(49:04):
it happened on March five, so you know it's a
recent news item. Um. The very next day, this is
how they bounced back. The very next day they opened
the l a auto show down at a place called
the Shrine Auditorium Expo Hall. And take a look at this, Ben,
I'm showing you a photo of the March sixth Shrine exhibition.

(49:25):
To me, that's a better choice. That's a beautiful place.
It's got chandeliers hanging from you know, looks like three
stories up their cars on multiple levels. It's you know, um,
what do they call that when they have like, um, uh,
the velvet on the balconies, you know the place. Um,
there's a term for that. I'm probably gonna yeah, maybe bunting,
that might be it. But it's it's kind of an

(49:47):
overdone type thing. It's a very victorian look almost for
this for this popular. It's very that's a perfect word.
Ben It's very opulent the way that they that set
this up. And by the way, just one day later,
so wan a comeback. But again, there's some fascinating photos
from this Los Angeles Auto Show, and if you look
online you can find some extremely high rise photographs where

(50:08):
you can zoom in and and you can get incredible
detail on some of these. A lot of them were
just towed next door. There was a this this is
just coincidence, right next door behind a barrier wall, there's
a place called a one Auto Works, and they were
kind of an automotive salvage place, and so they tore
down a fence that was between where the tents were
and the salvage place was, and they just drug them

(50:30):
across the lot over into the salvage lot and that
was it. They're just done. Um. They have there's photos
of you know, people standing around evaluating and you know,
figuring out what they've lost in there. Um, I'm sure
a lot of manufacturers were there. It probably spelled you know,
doomsday for a lot of these early on manufacturers. You know,
if that's that's their entire product right there, it's like
they were trying to sell their one and only car

(50:51):
at this show and now it's gone their prototype. We
have to remember that in these days, um, just like
the early days of soda, there were many more competitors
in the field, so literally thousands, literally thousands, and many
of these were very very small, almost cottage level operations.

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You know, they might have had one or two cars
to show off and that may have been the extent
of their production. They doubled down because they were hoping
to make some close some deals. Yeah. Now can you
imagine if you had lost everything in this l a
auto show fire, I mean, what what you know, just
horrible luck for that to happen to some people. Now,
the bigger manufacturers, of course, a little more resilient. They

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were able to send new product almost immediately when they
heard what happened, and that's why they were able to
open the show on the on the the following day
in March six at the at the Shrine Auditorium. But um,
again these photographs are definitely worth looking at. And it's
eighty eight years ago. UM, so anybody that was around
at that time would have been very very young to

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see this actually happens. So the people that you know
probably have the most interesting stories about it, you know,
the the older elks, they were there, you know, working
or um, you know, we're in attendance of the show.
You know that we're you know, I guess old enough
to remember what had happened. Uh, probably gone. But um,
there's still some decent write ups about it. There's not
a lot of information, but there's a few photographs and um,

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just an interesting bit of history. I thought that, you know,
I had never realized this had happened until just this week.
It's crazy, man, that's crazy. It's it's insane. I didn't
know about this either, just the scale of the tragedy.
But I guess it's a catastrophe that did not become

(52:36):
a tragedy because everyone was okay. As a mechanical catastrophe.
I guess I want to put it that mechanical tragedy. Crazy, insane,
it also crazy. It also makes me wonder, uh, how
on earth board track Racers didn't come away with more
grievous endors? You know, checkout of the episode on board

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track Racy. Yeah, and there's a lot of head scratchers,
I guess, and from that era, you know, like, what
what were they thinking putting? I guess that's just the
way you did it, though, I mean it's good enough
for the circus. Nothing's really gone wrong there yet right now.
I don't know what year was that. There had to
have been some circus tragedies at that circus tense. It
seem like they were always catching on fire, or an

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elephant was going insane due to mistreatment or something. Rogue
elephants all over the place. Rogue elephants not the case here.
And they blamed it on an electrical short. But just
glad everybody got out a people with no panic conspiracy theory,
What if it was a rogue elephant, it was just
covered up a big circus, a big circus. Yeah. Well,

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at that at that point we talked about our conspiracy
theories concerning uh Arson enthusiast elephants. Uh that that sounds
like the point where we should so up the show.
So we want to thank you very much, Josh, Rob Bill, Gary, Mike, Richard,
Michael everybody else who wrote in, Uh. We never get

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It might be. I would think Rob would still want
you to watch this too, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. So
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