November 22, 2023 • 64 mins
A deep dive into the factual accuracies and inaccuracies of the Garfield Movie trailer! Beat by beat we will examine the trailer, and talk about whether there are real life examples in evolutionary biology that can lend credence to the new Garfield Movie trailer. Sadly, we are not being sponsored by The Garfield Movie.
Guest: Joey Clift
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,
and today on the show, a deep dive into the factual,
accuracies and inaccuracies of the Garfield trailer. Beat by beat,
we will examine the trailer in detail and talk about
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whether there are real life examples in evolutionary biology that
can lend credence to a new Garfield trailer. What a
silk moth make a better Garfield does? Social facilitation of
eating explain why John tolerates Garfield? Are there other animals
who eat horrifying amounts of food much like Garfield? Discover
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this and more as we answer the age old question
how is Garfield like a subordinate male cichlid fish? Joining
me today to check the Garfield trailer with scientific facts?
Is Garfield understander? Emmy nominated producer and TV writer. Friend
of the show, Joey Clift, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited to
just finally, you know, get to the facts on this
Garfield trailer and really just let the world know what's
really going on.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, this is very important Garfield trailer dropped. It features
a new tale of Garfield. Sort of what the sense
I got from the trailer is it's sort of telling
the tale of Garfield's life, like from kittenhood to adulthood
to like, I guess meeting his own father is a
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thing in this trailer. And of course Garfield is voiced
by the most talented voice actor in the world, Chris Pratt,
who we cannot get enough of.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, speaking of things that don't sound like they should,
a goat just kind of screams instead of making sounds.
That's kind of what Chris Pratt's Garfield sounds like to me.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah. So, yeah, Chris Pratt, he voices everything in every movie.
I think that the goal is just like every movie
will only be Chris Pratt playing the various roles of
voicing all of the animated character playing all the live
action roles. It is too kind of I mean, it's
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efficient really to only have one guy in movies.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that way you just only have one schedule that
you're really tracking instead of like a million people's schedules.
I mean, I do think I will say like I
do like Chris Pratt as an actor. I think him
as star Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like
a really fun character. But I think that him in
his voice acting work with Garfield and the Mario Brothers movie,
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it kind of feels like his strategy and preparing for
these roles is just to listen to like two minutes
of somebody else doing the voice and then just be like,
I probably got it, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's what's a girlfield, I'm Rele, I'm Garfield John.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, and it's like, nailed it perfect, No, No, it's
you know, yeah, He's just like, don't need don't we
don't need to do a second take. We got it,
you know, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's like I get why you cast somebody like Chris
Pratt in you know, like on paper in a movie
like this, because you know, he is a movie star.
That's a draw. But like it does kind of feel
like you could have cast a voice actor to do this.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But the thing is, do voice actors have the raw,
animalistic sex appeal that Chris Pratt has? Yeah, so we
are we are discussing the Garfield trailer. But don't worry,
evolutionary biology fans. I am examining this trailer through the
lens of evolutionary biology. What do I mean by that?
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Going through the trailer beat by beat, at every point
of the trailer, every sort of claim this trailer makes
about Garfield's life, we are going to see if there
is a real evolutionary biology example of such a thing
to really kind of we're fact checking this trailer. We're
seeing if this trailer holds any water in terms of
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actual evolutionary biology. And so we start in the trailer
with Garfield an orange kitten in a box in the rain,
looking very sad, and then he smells food seemingly from
like quite a ways away, Like he smells food inside
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of a restaurant, like all the way across the street
in the rain, which is pretty impressive. I think it might.
It seems like it'd be hard to smell food from
so far away. So is there an example of something
orange and fluffy that can detect odors from very far
away ys? Indeed, the Maleanathus silk moth can do this
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like Garfield. So the Sanathis silk moth is sort of
a reddish orangish color. It is fluffy like Garfield. It's
not quite as like bright orange as the Garfield sort
of like focus group tested orange coloration. But they are
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I think they're quite pretty. They're this sort of rusty
orange and and they're fluffy. Joy I shared it with
you an image of one of these little guys, and
I think they're quite cute.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. I will say something that was really important to
me about this episode was, you know, fact checking this
Garfield trailer because you know, as we know, Jim Davis,
the creative Garfield, famed cartoonist and evolutionary biologist, really created
the Garfield comic stript as a way to honor, you know,
just like his factual love for different, you know, animal phenotypes.
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So I will say that you know, this, this this
creature that you sent me, he has a rust colored
orange color that I think is it's very close to
the color that you saw in the first design of
Garfield when he was a little bit more of like
a quadruped than a biped. So you know, my guess
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is that when Jim Davis originally created Garfield, he definitely
was looking at this creature, as you know, his his
way to build what he views as the perfect cat,
which is the the orange coloration of this insect mixed
with it presumably this insects like just ravenous love of lasagna,
and you know, I think he just nailed it, And like,
as a member of the scientific community, I'm just gonna
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applaud him for his work.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So I did have the fact check you, Joey, because
jokes are not allowed on this show. You said that
Jim Davis is an evolutionary biologist. Now this is, of
course not true. Jim Davis did grow up on a farm, however,
which informed him, I suppose, of the existence of cats.
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So he used that farm experience to know that cats
were indeed an animal that exists, and then he drew
a cat, and that cat was Garfield. He also worked
for an advertising agency before becoming the dad of Garfield.
And one might conclude that Garfield is a cynical attempt
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to create a marketable character that you can sell merchandise for.
And what I would say to people who come to
that conclusion is, have you no joy in your life?
Do you have no childlike Spark of Wonder where you
can ignore the implications that Garfield is just a cynical
plot to advertise an orange cat that is very marketable.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, to that, I say, is this the moment that
I learned that everything I know about Jim Davis is
a lie. No, I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So yes, but about this this moth, this silk moth,
It is an orange fluffy guy. The orange fluffy guys
are out there, and they're real. Like Garfield, they are
relatively large. They're found in North America. The Ceanothus silk
moth has a wingspan of over four inches or over
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ten centimeters. They live in a variety of environments, including
conifer forests, coastlines, and desert chaparral. So the males of
this species of moth, they don't really sport a cute
little pink nose like Garfield, but instead a set of
fluffy and tina that they can use to detect female
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sex pheromones from miles away, So many miles away, these
little guys can detect that there is a female who
is sexually mature. And while Garfield may be horny for food,
these moths are horny for mating, which I guess is
the original type of horny. And so these moths will
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detect the female sex pheromone, they'll fly towards them, they
will mate. Then females will lay their eggs on plants.
The caterpillars will will voraciously eat the plants. The caterpillars
are actually quite pretty themselves. They are bright green with
these beautiful little blue and red tubercules. So tubercules. It
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sounds malignant, It does not sound like a nice thing.
But these are just basically horny projections that are found
on caterpillars and then other other animals, and interestingly so
adult sy Aanathis silk moths have eye spots on the
tips of their wings, and the patterns on their wings
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almost look like a pair of snakeheads, which is possibly
a form of baitsy and mimicry for these moths to
say like, hey, I'm not a moth, I'm actually two snakes.
So like bug off, much like how Garfield has eye
spots on his back that makes him look like some
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kind of you know, horrifying monster when he turns his
head so that he can eat lasagna without being hassled.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So just uh, I just want to clarify that we
are definitely saying in this that it is Garfield's goal too.
The reason he can smell a zangna from so far
away is that his goal is to frankl Azagna that
is yes, you know, I think just scientific fact at
this point. And you know, I do think that you
bring up a really good point about the eye spots
on his back. So I think that Garfield is Jim
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Davis's effort to create what he've used as the ultimate
apex predator. And I think that those eye spots really
aid in, you know, Garfield's ability to intimidate you know,
his prey, and you know, just a just a good
job for Jim Davis wanting to play god.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know how Like you look at Garfield and he
has those huge cartoon eyes and you think that's his face.
Actually there's like a normal cat face like on the
other side of Garfield's head, and those huge eyes that
we see are his baitsy and memicry eye spots, So
we think that he's like facing us, but instead like
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he's got just a regular, well proportioned cat face on
the other side of his head.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah. The thing about those eye spots in the back
of his head is that when you see them, it's
too late.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It is too late. Yeah, if you see the whites
of his eye spots, you know, don't run, just lie down.
And accept your fate.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You're about to be eaten with Garfield's bare hands.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, and to your earlier point that like Garfield's eating
is like sort of a like when he's eating, it's
sort of a more of a sexual thing that is
heavily implied by this Garfield trailer. We're not just freaks.
Like this trailer has a whole scene in it where
it's like Garfield's about to go down on some lasagna
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and he's like the younger members of the audience might
want to look away because one can only assume it
means he's going to attempt to meete with the lazagna.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I think he's going to attempt and succeed. Yes, Garfield
is a smooth fella.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So you think Garfield could seduce a plate of lazagna?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Oh, I mean, look, Garfield could seduce some lazan all day.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Lazan all day. So we're going to take a quick break,
but then when we get back we will discuss more
of the Garfield trailer and how there are indeed real
life evolutionary examples of animals doing the same things that
Garfield does in this trailer. Lots of learning ahead, folks,
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So stay tuned. All Right, we're back. And I'm certainly
not just using the Garfield movie trailer as a pretext
to slip in some sneaky education about evolutionary biology. No, no,
I deeply care about this trailer. So the next part
of the trailer is Garfield running across the street and
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trying to avoid getting hit by cars. Some might say
this is an overused trope. I say to them, shut up, Yeah,
and I will say that based on Garfield's character design,
which I will say that is something that I really
loved about.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
The trailer is like the art style, to me, is
just kind of beautiful and evocative of the classic Garfield strip.
You know, it really feels like the the the two
thousands live action Garfield movie, they just kind of tried
to turn Garfield into just like, you know, some CG
creature that didn't really look like the Garfield that we know,
where Anny.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Valley sort of like horrifying, like humanoid orange thing with
Bill Murray's voice.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You mean, yeah, when it's also weird because in the
two thousands Garfield movie we see like CG Uncanny Valley Garfield,
but there are also regular cats in that movie.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Because it's yeah, so Garfield is some kind of strange
catlike munculus in that movie. I do like that. I
like to feel a little bit of mortal terror when
it comes to Garfield. That's my favorite. That's Garfield at
its best when it makes me feel sort of this
palpable sense of horror and fear for my life.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So something that I'm curious about your scientific opinion on
this Garfield character design as a kitten in the early
part of this trailer you mentioned when he's running across
the street is very caterpillar esque. So and now that
I think about it, once Garfield is, you know, an adult.
As we see him in the trailer, he definitely does
have the appearance of a cocoon. So do you feel
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like there's going to be a point in this movie
where Garfield is going to emerge from his cocoon and
enter into his true moth form.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, that is a really interesting question because, like
like we said earlier, there are some moth like characteristics
to Garfield. His ability to sense odors from very far away,
the orange fluffiness, and also you know the fact that
the larvae of moths, known as caterpillars eat like a
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massive amounts like like incredible amounts, and usually they gain
mass when they're eating so much, which is something that
I'm going to talk about later on in the trailer.
But like, so, what happens with caterpillars, for moths, for
butterflies is they enter into a cocoon or a chrysalis.
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And the difference between a cocoon and a crystalis is
kind of structural. Cocoons are usually made from sort of
these like you know, bound more by a silk structure,
or crysalis is a more of a sort of smooth
kiteness structure. Regardless, either way, they they enter into a
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cocoon or a crystalis and then uh, they actually turn
completely into a sort of liquefied state. This is this
is all true. This is not a fiction created by
the Garfield universe. Moths and butterflies, the larvae will eat
and eat meat until it's gained a lot of mass,
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a lot of just raw material essentially to fuel its
transformation into a butterfly or moth. And the interesting thing
is that once it's kind of it's gone into this
like liquefied state, where like if you cut open a
cocoon or a chrysalis, which I don't necessarily recommend because
then you ruin the whole process. But you will actually
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find a goo this kind of like gelatinous liquid, and
then of course it reforms into a butterfly or a
moth and then it a little it will emerge from
the cocoon or crysalis, and there there you have this
transformed animal. Interestingly, it retains memory from its catapillar form.
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So there have been multiple studies on like teaching caterpillars
to find an odor to be unpleasant, like they'll you know,
have them smell some odor and then like shock them
or something. You know, scientists are mean to bugs. But
what happens is that as adult, these ones that have
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been trained as caterpillars will still avoid that odor versus
adults that had not had that training as caterpillar. So
despite the fact they turn into this like kind of
protein uh slurpy inside of the chrysalis or cocoon, they
still retain that memory from being a caterpillar. So what
they think is that they're these this neural cluster of
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cells that does not disintegrate essentially, so they have this
neural cluster of cells. A lot of the rest of
their body has kind of like disintegrated into more like
of a stem cell state, where these cells will now
differentiate into sort of the different parts of the butterfly,
but the neural cells retain some of the original neural cells,
so that it's not completely lost the learning that it
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had when it was a caterpillar. So how this relates
to Garfield is that I would expect Garfield to potentially
turn into kind of a coagulated jelly at some point
in the film within this cocoon, and he should still
retain some of his memories from kittenhood because he would
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retain these neural cells, but he would be completely transmorgrified
and liquefied before turning into his final morph, which would
be I'm not exactly sure what they'll reveal that to be,
but I am excited.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah. All I know is that Garfield is full of goo,
and that whatever his final form is going to be
is going to be both horrifying and beautiful, just like
the Garfield we know and love.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Exactly So, But back to this part of the trailer
where Garfield runs across the street and avoids getting hit
by cars, because I think this is a really pivotal
moment in the Garfield movie. Otherwise why would they show
us this rather pointless thing in the trailer? It must
be I feel like it's Chekhov's Garfield avoiding traffic. There's
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probably gonna be video games of like you play as
Garfield trying to avoid traffic on your way to running
towards a restaurant. But this, I think there is some
relevant research and evolutionary biology in terms of animals learning
how to avoid traffic. And I want to talk about
cliff swallows. You might be asking, how do cliff swallows
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have anything to do with Garfield. They have everything to
do with Garfield, So.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Cliff swaps everything has everything to do with Garfield.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Garfield is life. Garfield is in the sort of basic
building blocks of life. So silly question. Cliff Swallows like
to build their nests in cliffs, caves or grottos. They
will use human structures though, like because they say, you
build a freeway overpass, well that's kind of like a
cliff or cave, so that they will build their nests
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inside of this overpass. You may have seen them now.
The problem with that is that there are a lot
of cars around these structures, and cars are fast, and
when you have a car and it hits a cliff swallow,
the cliff swallow basically gets purade. So it's not a
good situation for the cliff swallow. So researchers have been
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studying these cliff swallows that live near human structures since
the nineteen eighties and they've actually found that these cliff
swallows have started to be better at not being killed
by cars, Like the rates of cliff swallows being pulverized
by cars has gone down. And that has also matched
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with another interesting thing, which is that cliff swallows wings
have been getting shorter, So their wings have been getting
shorter and they've been less likely to get pulverized by cars.
And so the conclusion the theory is that the shorter
wings make it easier for these cliff swallows to avoid
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being hit by cars through more speed and maneuverability. And
the researchers are calling this vehicular selection. So I think
vehicular selection being like vehicles actually driving evolution. And how
does this relate to the Garfield trailer, Well, the question
is why is Garfield the only kitten we see? I
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think it's answered in the next scene, which is the
traffic Garfield running across the street in traffic. Now, Garfield,
I think is the only survivor of the brood, and
the other offspring that we're in the same brood as
Garfield probably got killed by the cars, and so we're
seeing this evolutionary pressure of cars on the Garfield. And
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so the Garfield is the strongest of the brute and survives,
and we should see more Garfield like traits in the
next generation of Garfields. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think that you do bring up a good point
and that in creating Garfield, it was Jim Davis's goal
to create the perfect evolutionary creature, right exactly, And I
think that that's and I think that's really what is
being portrayed in this trailer is like this is it's
not going to get better than this. This is the
most evolved that any living organism can possibly be.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean, it's it is so involved that it seems
to be able to eat like in massive amounts of
calories and somehow efficiently process those into pure energy that
doesn't actually take up so much mass like I would assume.
Now I'm not a physicist, I do often guess on
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Daniel and Jorge explain the universe, so they would probably
be better at answering this question of how do you
convert mass into energy such that you do not have
to like like because we see Garfield he eats spoilers
like an entire restaurant's worth of food, but he doesn't
change in size, and so the inside of the Garfield
has to be incredibly dense. I think, like have a.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Lot of dnsitya like a neutron start.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
New trun star. Now. Now, weirdly enough, there is not
we don't see like the restaurant patrons being pulled into Garfield,
because if you're that dense, you should have a gravitational poll.
So there is some other mechanism by which Garfield is
able to abscond with this mass and convert it into
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some form of energy that is not creating like gravity, well,
which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yes, something that I want to point out is that
when Garfield arrives at the window in the Garfield trailer
of this restaurant and we see John Arbuckle moment sitting
alone at this table. We see that John Arbuckle is
sitting alone at the table, but he has an entire
large pizza in front of him.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Joey, be very careful where you tread here, because you
know I live in Italy. So if you're about to
imply that there is something pathetic about sitting and eating
an entire peace alone, You're gonna run a fountain like
the Italian authorities.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No, I guess that I'm saying that, like eating an
entire eating an entire pizza alone, I get. But like
eating an entire large pizza alone, well, also.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
In the restaurant, like I feel like, or.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
You do, like in your apartment when you're just like
I don't really want to make food today.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
We've all like ordered a large pizza, rolled it up
like a giant blunt, and then eaten it in a
dark yes, right, and like with the curtains drawn and
the lights off, so nobody including ourselves can kind of
see us doing this important yet obscene ritual. John is
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doing it alone in a restaurant, which is an interesting thing.
And I actually did want to touch on this whole
scene where you see John trying to eat this enormous
pizza alone in an Italian family food restaurant. But the
main thing is, like you see John, He's actually not
doing a good job of eating this uh pizza, this
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large pizza, which one might ask, well, why would he
order it if he doesn't want to eat it? But
this phenomenon of him being unable to eat this food,
whereas you pan around to these other families and they're
all eating their food very easily, they're all happy. This
is actually a real phenomenon, and it's called a social
facilitation of eating, and it has been observed in both
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human and non human animals, And there's actually quite a
large number of studies done on this. Now again I
have to say, like this is actual evolutionary biology, none
of Like this is.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Not everything we're saying is true.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Sure, so right now the truth is happening starting now. So,
studies done on animals in lab settings since the nineteen
sixties have found like a variety of species of animals
that will eat more in groups than when they are alone.
So this includes fish, birds, dogs, monkeys, gerbils, rats, and possums.
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There was a study on chicken.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
All things that I eat when I'm with a group
of people.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You eat gerbils, lambs.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Possums, gerbils. If I'm with a big enough group, I
just chow down.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Look, you know what just be careful about eating monkeys
because of those prion diseases, but otherwise go for it man.
So a study on chickens found that when a chicken
eats until it is satiated, so like once it's like
completely full, and this chicken you're like, hey, chicken, you
want more corn. This chicken is like, I couldn't possibly
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have any more corn. It will actually resume eating if
you introduce it to a hungry chicken who is like corn,
I'm super hungry for corn, and that chicken bee starts
eating the corn and chicken a, which was previously like
I'm full, I can't eat any more corn. It sees
chicken bee eating the corn, and chicken a is like, man,
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I could go for some corn too, and it starts
eating the corn as well. And so this has been
widely observed in social species of animals. It's also been
widely observed in human beings. So people in laboratory settings
eat more in groups, and will also eat more in
the presence of people who eat large amounts. So in
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one study, participants were invited to eat crackers. Again, I
have to emphasize that this is all true. This is
not a bit I'm telling you the truth about the
things that we have actually spent.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm telling you, I've been telling the truth this whole time.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
So people were given were invited to eat crackers in
a lab and then they were paired with a fake
participant called the can Confederate. We're not talking about the
US Civil War. A confederate in a psychology study is
basically someone who pretends to be just another participant in
the study, but is actually with the researchers and is
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playing some role. I had to do this as an undergraduate.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Though. It is weird because in the situation, the Confederate
is required to love Leonard Skinner. That's the created part
of this.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So yes, the Confederate was assigned to eat between one
and twenty crackers. So you have like a number of
Confederates eating on a spectrum of cracker eating. And so
they looked at the effect of how many crackers the
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plant the Confederate eight on the actual participants appetite for crackers.
So those paired with the Confederate who ate high numbers
of crackers themselves would eat around eighty six percent more
crackers than those paired with the low cracker eating Confederates.
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And that's an interesting study that was done on real
human beings. Another finding in terms of social facilitation of
eating is that people will eat more with family and
friends like that has the highest impact on social eating,
increasing food intake and shared meals. So in this way,
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the Garfield trailer is very accurate to life, and I
think it also allows us to understand better the symbiotic
relationship between John and Garfield, because you're like, well, why
would John have this cat around this Garfield That it's
not really a cat, is it? Garfield is its own
sort of species. I think, like either a species.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Or he's like, yeah, yeah, he's a caterpillar who entered
induced cocoon stage. Will right blossom and do it terrifying moth? Yes, right? Right?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So you know, the symbiotic relationship between John and the Garfield,
I think we kind of get the some understanding of
that this might actually be mutualism rather than a parasitic relationship,
because the Garfield comes in and does indeed eat like
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all this food. But the thing is John was incapable
of eating on his own, like he was too sad
and alone to eat. So by having Garfield, even though
the Garfield is eating a lot of the food. I
think the implication here is that without the like large
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eating of Garfield, right, because in these studies we found
like when you're paired with someone who's eating a lot,
your appetite will go up. The John is actually able
to eat more as well, even though like on average,
the Garfield is getting more portions of the food. Seems
like that's evidence that this is actually a mutualistic, symbiotic relationship.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay, so science question about the trailer. Does this explain
why John has a large pizza in front of him
and he has a knife and fork next to him,
like he's gonna eat the pizza with a knife and fork.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I think that that's more of a philosophical question,
like if you're gonna eat a pizza with a knife
and fork and you're not actually in Italy, Like, is
that just kind of a nihilistic, uh sort of position.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Or is that an Italian thing? In Italy people eat pizzas.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Wow, I didn't know that absolutely, because well, it depends
on where you are in Italy, but like a lot
of the pizzas, especially here in northern Italy, have a
very very very thin crust, like so thin that you
cannot lift the pizza. The pizza is actually got it unstable,
so you you actually have to use a knife and fork,
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and they're a veryvarious ways that you can do it.
You can just kind of like cut it up into pieces.
Like one method is you like sort of cut a
strip and you roll it. But like it's because like
you'll have like this very thin crust and like a
bunch of cheese and like meat or whatever, and so
you actually cannot like do a slice and then lift
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it up. It'll just all fall apart.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Okay, So sort of like a like a traditional Naples
pizza that we know of, it is something that you
can more lift and eat with your hands, whereas like
there are different parts of Italy in the same way.
There's like a Chicago Deep Dish pizza, which is like
you could eat a Chicago Deep Dish pizza with your hands,
but it's like your hands are also gonna be real
gross afterwards.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, I mean, it depends on like your like whether
or not you want to sort of do performance art,
whether you eat it with your hands or not. But like, yeah,
I mean it is eating pizza with a knife and
fork is actually okay to do in Italy because it's
like you have to do it for a lot of pizzas.
(34:02):
And I don't really think there's much judgment, Like it's
not like they judge you if you eat it with
your hands, Like if the pizza is structurally stable enough
to eat with your hands, you can either eat it
with your hands or a knife or fork. They don't
people really don't care.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay, that's good. Now. I do have to say this
trailer definitely won some points for me for featuring Garfield
eating you know, his primary prey as we know of
which is lasagna. That's something that's like front and center.
And the first minute of the trailer this cute Garfield
kittens in a takeaway container of lasagna. So you know,
I think that so far this is clicking along really well,
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and you know, I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. Yeah, And lasagna is actually an invasive species in
the United States, like it's an indigenous to Italy. If
you think of food as animal species, which is not
it's actually correct, but.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Which is I mean how I view everything. I mean
I feel like, what is a pepsi can but but
a durabil made of metal and without arms or legs
or ahead.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
This is a science show people.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Okay, so how does how does we've shortly into the
trailer Odi appears? How does Odi play into this theory?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I completely ignored Odie.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's uh, it's okay. Jim Davis did too.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
When I try to look at Odi, I see sort
of like a white static, like my brain can't actually
process Ody.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That makes sense. I try not to process him either.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, it's better. I think it's it's easier to enjoy
the art if you ignore Odi.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean like I think that
Jim Davis is an infallible person who can do no wrong. Yeah, like,
you know, let's just say Odie's not one hundred right.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Odie is the negative space that makes it easier to
enjoy Garfield.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think, Ah, thank you for helping me understand Jim
Davis's genius.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, Odie, like jazz is the notes you don't play.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
So a friend of mine brought up a really good
point to me in this trailer in that it's seriously
lacking its use of the song I don't like Mondays
by the Boomtown Rats.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh they don't play that in this trailer.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
They do not play this song. But like now, like
my level of Garfield, you know, I would say fandom
from a scientific place is that I re edit the
trailer in my mind to that song. Yeah, the version
of that, the version of that in my mind that's
edited to that song. I cry too.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well. We were going to take a quick break while
Joey collects himself. But when we get back, guess what,
it's more fact checking of whether this trailer is actually
scientifically accurate what it means, like the sort of evolutionary
biological principles of the Garfield movie. Official trailer will be
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our back, So Joey, I do want to talk about
one of the main features of the trailer, which is
the when the beat kind of drops, you know, where
it's like with Garfield eating massive amounts of food, and
there is part of the trailer where it is implied
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that eating the food is disturbing in some way, and
I just want to play that clip so people understand
that we're not exaggerating or so that the clip is
the context is Garfield is seated before a large plate
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of lasagna that John, his caretaker, has prepared for him,
and he looks directly at the camera. Something known as
breaking the fourth wall, and he says this.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I apologize in advance. The eating you're about to see
will not be pretty. And if you have young children,
this would be a good time for them to leave
the room.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So I mean, first, I want to get your thoughts,
Joe about sort of the implications of this scene.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, so a few things. Something that I genuinely love
about this, as I would say as a Garfield historian enthusiast,
is that there are a lot of moments in this
trailer where Garfield looks directly to camera, and whenever he
does it, it's like a very clean one shot that
like is very evocative of the Garfield comic strips when
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Garfield would sort of deliver the punchline in a thought bubble.
So I think that that's something that I really appreciated
with this trailer is like, you know, the Chris Pratt's
voice aside, It does really feel like there is some
level of like effort to love and appreciate and honor
you know, Jim Davis's Perfect Baby, Yeah his original vision. Yeah,
totally totally. But I will say my takeaway from this
(38:57):
is that, you know, like we spoke about earlier, immediately
before this cut or after this cut. Garfield definitely freaks that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Right, right, Yeah, I mean that is I mean that
seems what they're implying, because I don't understand what the
other interpretation could be. So the one of the things
that is that's sort of the focus of this trailer
is that Garfield eats an incredible amount of food. Now,
we did go over the theory earlier that Garfield could
contain some kind of like neutron star like matrix inside
(39:30):
of his stomach that is a way to compactly store
that amount of mass without actually changing his external dimensions.
But the other theory for how Garfield could function could
be found in evolutionary biologies. So there are plenty of
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animals that can eat food that are is larger than itself,
like such as you know snakes. But there is this
really interesting example of a deep sea fish that can
eat just ridiculous amounts of food and prey much larger
than its entire body, and it does this through an
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expandable food pouch. So this is called the black swallower.
It is a fish that can grow up to be
around nine inches, so that's like it's less than a foot.
It's not that big. It's found in deep North Atlantic
Ocean waters. It's found around two thousand to nine thousand
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feet under the sea, which is around six hundred to
two seven hundred meters. So it can eat prey that
is up to around ten times its own mass. And
it does this with a this like membrane, this extendable
pouch in its stomach that is somewhat translution. It actually
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kind of looks like a water blo and so it's
jaws can swing open large enough to eat things bigger
than its own head. And then this it can basically
swallow whole this prey, uh, and it can section it
in like a vacuum into this distendable membrane, and so
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that it is able to eat things much larger than itself. Now,
of course, the problem with this being Garfield's method of
feeding is that we don't see this this expandable pouch.
But one could perhaps assume that some artistical license was
taken to censor this so that it could get I
(41:47):
assume it has a PG rating, so that might have
been the only way for it to get that kind
of rating in the movie theaters.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, So the Black Swallower, it's It's a really fascinating
looking creature that I definitely recommend you check out. There
are a lot of photos and drawings of this fish swallowing,
a fish that looks to be like three or four
times at size, and you can see like the outline
of the fish in it's like in its mucus pouch. Yeah,
and it just looks terrifying.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's what I think to look at.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah. So I think that this opens up the question
and I think, you know, spoilers for anybody that plans
on watching the Garfield movie. Do we think that the
movie ends with Garfield eating John?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Hmmm? That's an interesting question, right, like, because if that's
the case, like the symbiosis between John and Garfield would
be more something that ends up you know, consuming its host.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, because I think that you look at you look
at the size of John, you look at the size
of Garfield, and you know, using what we know about
the black swallower, it does feel like Garfield could probably
fit John in his mucus pouch.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, probably. And you know, I there are there are
there are plenty of examples of sort of parasitic relationships
or parasitoid relationships where it's like something basically eventually consumes
its entire host that Garfield could be modeling. Now there
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is a peril for both Garfield and the black swallower fish,
which is that if it eats a prey item that
is too large, it can actually accidentally essentially explode. So
it can eat food that just directly bursts through this
(43:39):
feeding pouch, which will kill it. Another potential problem, and
this is real again, like this is an actual thing
that happens to.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
These We've talked about everything.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
We've talked about exactly about Garfield, all true, all true,
all real. We invite lawyers to try to find anything objectionable.
So for these black swallower fish, if they eat prey
that somehow doesn't like tear this feeding pouch but it's
still perhaps too large for it, decomposition can set in
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for this prey item before the black swallower fish can
actually fully digest it. And then the when something is decomposing,
it releases gases, and so those gases will fill this
pouch of the black swallower and it will actually cause
the fish to float to the surface. And one of
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the characteristics of deep sea fish is that they are
designed to be at these crushing depths of the ocean.
So when they are reach the surface of the ocean,
they actually kind of like fall apart in a way.
It's like you've probably seen photos of the blob fish,
(45:00):
and it's this like weird, pink gelatinous mass, but whereas
when you look at it when it's actually in the
depths of the ocean where it belongs, it's a lot
more solid looking, a lot more bony, and it's actually
more of a gray color than pink. And that's because
like you have something that is designed essentially to withstand
that kind of pressure, and then you take it up
(45:22):
where there's no more pressure, and then it just kind
of like it doesn't exactly explode, but it kind of
like it's organ's rupture and its skin kind of like
kind of like come apart. And so that's what happens
to this black swallower. It dies if it flows to
the surface. It's kind of like if if you put
a human in space, there's gonna be a lot of problems,
(45:42):
like we're we're not designed for both the like kind
of we're just not designed for space, and these fish
are not designed for the low pressure of being anywhere
above their sort of a deep sea area.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, this is really interesting. I actually did not know
this about blobfish. Looking at photo's side by side, the
blobfish at depth looks like, you know, like a fairly
normal fish. Where it's at the surface, it like looks
like it just kind of got turned inside.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Out pretty much. Yeah, it does not. It does not
like avert. It doesn't turn inside out, but it does
lose structural integrity once ing just the surface.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
So I guess that using this to go into what
we know about the Garfield movie, could we picture a
world where maybe an act to Garfield turns into his
true you know, his true form, explodes from his chrysalis,
finally swallows John and then realizes that John's a little
(46:44):
bit too big. John ruptures Garfield's insides, and the movie
ends with both John and Garfield dying as sort of
like a testament to the hubris of nature. And you know,
do we picture that being a potential way the movie
could go? I think that based on everything we're seeing
in this trailer.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I think so. But if not that, I'm sure you
would find that on someone's like ancient live journal in
some dark corner of the internet.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
As a family. That's that's the Garfield movie that I
am going into this expecting.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
So one interesting aspect of the trailer is that it's
revealed that Garfield has a father who is huge in bulky.
He's maybe like five times the size of the Garfield.
It's wall Field. I did do a world famous podcast
(47:43):
where we played a tabletop RPG, and I did have
a character that was essentially a giant orange cat that
was extremely muscular and eight everything that it could. So
I do think that probably the movie did listen to
that that extremely world famous podcast of me and a
(48:07):
bunch of friends playing a tabletop RPG where I had
a giant Garfield as a character.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, it does feel like you deserve a written by
credit in this movie.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yet probably probably like I'm really humble, so I feel
like I wouldn't you know, I'm not going to like
write them a letter and say like, hey, guys, please
give me credit. It's just I feel that it's so
clear that's what the inspiration was that I'm not even
offended that they don't give me credit. That that was
a that was a podcast by the Gamefully Unemployed Networks
(48:41):
from a long time ago, but still choose your own adventure.
That was those fun times.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's just important that the listeners know.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
This, right, I think so, yeah, sou. But back to
sort of the meat of the question, which is are
is there an act? Are there biological truths to this
part of the Garfield movie trailer, like can you have
an adult male that is like five times the size
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of another conspecific adult male another adult male in the
same species. So yes, this actually does occur. In nature,
there are animals where there are different morphs adult morphs,
particularly in males, where some adult males are much larger
and more aggressive than other adult males. This is found
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particularly in reptile and fish species. We'll focus on one
such species. This is Minkly's cichlid, which is a tropical
fish found off of the coast of northern Mexico. There
are large males, large dominant males that have harems of females,
so the females will lay eggs and the large males
(49:55):
will externally fertilize the eggs. So basically just go by
with like a black to sperm cannon over these eggs
and fertilize them. So small males, which are also adults
but are much smaller than the large males will instead
use a sneaky strategies, so they will dart in quickly
(50:16):
to fertilize the eggs while the large the large males
are not looking, and then the small males will like
dart out, fertilize the eggs really quick and then go
back into hiding. So I think it is reasonable to
assume that Garfield is a small morph of the Garfields
(50:36):
and uses this sneaky strategy in terms of mating versus
the large the swool Fields, the larger morphs of the Garfield,
which is more just kind of uses the aggressive protective
form of mating.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
So I have a question about the trailer at two
minutes and one second in and we see the Garfield
from the trailer fly through the air and then hit
a large Garfield balloon that was amazing like a Macy's
Thanksgiving Day parade balloon.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, it hits. It does hit a large Garfield shaped balloon,
which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So so originally my read of this was that is
this a world where Garfield is famous? And if so,
why is Garfield the cat famous in this world? Like,
is this a world where Garfield exists? And also, the
Garfield comic strip exists, and the Garfield comic strip is
(51:37):
like a documentary about the life of this cat. But
I think that, honestly, this conversation is maybe pointing me
in a different direction of like, this could be we're
seeing an adult Garfield. It is full state, gigantic, able
to fly, and ready to terrorize the city. What do
you think about that?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Right? This might actually be like the final morph of Garfield. Right,
Like we think it's a Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade balloon,
but that's just sort of our frame of reference. This
could actually be a fully adult, giant morph of Garfield
(52:18):
being sort of like and what seems to be the
ropes like holding the balloon down might actually be sticky
strands of like filaments that this Garfield deploys in order
to entangle prey on the ground. And so there is.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Also a world where there's sticks trying to hold that
Garfield up to prevent him from eating the city.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
That's also entirely possible. It's hard to know because this
is not like an identified species yet like that we
know about. I'm hoping that this movie like provides more
information on this large Garfield. So yeah, I mean, I
think that for sure this could be like after sort
of the Garfield goes through a stage of metamorphosis, it
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does turn into this very large morph of the garfield
that is actually the size of a city block, and
does would in this case, it would very easily consume people.
So I think that is probably where the movie trailer
is going, like it is the tale of like what
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happens when you adopt a small, innocent looking garfield, but
then eventually it does grow to be the size of
a city block.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
And yeah, it's really like Grimlins. It's like, you know,
you don't lead them at night, don't put them in water,
And clearly John Arbuckle didn't get that memo, and now
the city's going to suffer for it.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
It's a tale of hubris every time, you know, the
hubris of man thinking we contame the wild Garfield.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
As we know that that was Jim Davis's original intent
in creating Garfield as it was.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yes, I mean, I think he really wanted it to
be a cautionary tale that we are not God's we
can't tame the wild, and when we think that we
are more powerful than mother nature, mother nature will strike
back with a giant orange catlike creature the size of
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a city block.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah. All I got to say is Jim Davis note taken.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Well, we did it. We did go through the entire
Garfield trailer and disassemble it, analyze it. I am so
excited for this movie. It looks fantastic and interesting.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
So, way before you totally wrap, one final question I
had about the trailer. So it ends with a contest
that says your cat act like Garfield, and basically they're
urging people to send in videos of their cats acting
like Garfield potentially be included in the movie. So my
(55:11):
question is, does it sound like their intent is they
want you to take your cat and stuff your cat
full of lasagna?
Speaker 1 (55:17):
And yeah, so like, don't do that. Yeah, don't feed
your cat a bunch of lasagna.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Don't listen to this trailer. Don't feed your cat a
ton of lasagna.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, I mean, unless like you're really into giving your
cat diarrhea and having to take your cat to the
vet for said diarrhea. I would not feed your cat
like an entire pan of lasagna. That's bad for cats.
They can't really digest that stuff really wells.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Cats should not eat an entire plate of spaghetti and
an entire pizza in one sitting.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Right, exactly, they shouldn't eat an entire family stfle Italian
restaurants worth of food in one sitting. You will have
a pretty sick cat.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah. I know that. That's exactly what they're asking for
and what they want in this ad campaign. But do
not take work.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
They said, take your cat to an Italian style family
restaurant and have your cat eat all of the food
in the restaurant and capture capture it on video. That
is what they said. And I feel like, you know,
there might be legal grounds to, you know, bring them
to justice. But I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
I am wait, I'm not Is that the saying a lawyer? No,
I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I hope you do win an Emmy where you just
like take the Emmy everywhere you go and then you're
like someone's like, is there a doctor here, and you're like,
I've got an Emmy, and then you just try to
do surgery, You try to do lawyering, and nobody they
let you do it because you have an Emmy. We look.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
The thing is is like if I were to win
an Emmy, the tops of an Emmy are very pointy,
like the wings of the statue.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Those wings are sharp.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
And I'm gonna use that to eat lasagna. It's just
gonna happen if you.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
If you win an Emmy, will you promise me to
at least if like you if you can have it? Right? Like,
I don't know how it works, like if they actually
let you keep it, if you just touch it and
then like it goes back into a vault. But like,
if you get it and it's yours to do with
what you want, will you do a video of yourself
(57:37):
eating some lasagna with your Emmy?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Uh? Okay, so okay, So the real answer is that
do I want to do that? Oh? Yeah, But like
I think I might have to, Like there might be
rules of when you get your Emmy statue of what
you can't get do it?
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Is it like the Is it like the American flag
where if you there, it's like you go to jail
if you tie the flag around your neck like a
bib to eat lasagna?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah? Or it's like just do they like take it
back or something? Right?
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Do they like resind your Emmy if you disrespectfully use it?
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah? If you use it specifically, if you use it
to eat lasagna as a as a giant utensil, will
they get mad?
Speaker 1 (58:17):
I just don't see why that's disrespectful. I feel like
that's very respectful, because you're like, I respect my Emmy
so much. I want it to be a part of
this moment with me as I eat this lasagna the most,
the most divine, fudes.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
This is exactly what I will be screaming to the
Emmy people as they try to pry the Emmy from
my pc lasagna covered hand.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
It might be easy for them to do that. If
your hands are greasy, it'll slip it out. That's another peril. Ah.
Before we go, we do need to play a little game.
It's called the Mystery Animal Sound game. Uh, guess who's squawking?
Every week I play Mystery Animal Sound and you the listener,
and you the guest, try to guess who was making
that sound. It can be any animal in the world.
(59:01):
Last week's hint was this, This animal has a more
famous catchphrase, but it has plenty of other things to say.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Okay, I'm gonna say that's a rooster, because roosters have
the famous cock a doodle do catchphrase.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
You're you're very close in that this is poultry. Congratulations
to Emily M and Sean Dee, who both guessed correctly
this is a wild turkey.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
So oh gobble gobble, Oh.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has the gobble gobble. All people
know about turkeys is the whole gobble gobble. But there's
they have. There's so much more to turkeys than just that.
Turkeys have all sorts of vocalizations. They're very social creatures,
just uh for some a few examples, like there's a
(01:00:02):
bunch of different vocalizations. Here's sort of like turkey for hey,
Like they're just like saying, hey, hey, how's it going.
This is like a standard cluck, so that's like turkey
for hay. There's a pet sound, which is an alarm call.
(01:00:23):
That's this. There is a tree call, which I guess
they do all roosting in trees. So let's see. This
is this is my favorite, I think, well, second favorite.
(01:00:45):
This is an assembly call to gather young turkeys or
other members of the turkey clan. And then my actual
favorite one is this one. It's a turkey purring.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh that's nice. I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
That's a happy turkey purring. There's all, of course, the
classic gobble. I feel like that's a trope at this
point though it's overplayed.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, hey turkeys, you don't have to lean on the hits.
Sometimes you can do something new.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah, So onto this week's mister Anne will sound. The
hint is this, do not adjust your television and ignore
the barking in the background. This hisser is better off
in a manger. So I do want to emphasize it's neither.
(01:01:55):
I'm not talking about the sound of the dog barking
or I believe the cat, but that.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Sound so so I I'm going to do a wild
jest and say that this his sir, belongs in a
major That to me means that that's baby Jesus, our,
the baby of our life.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
You got it. He nailed it, Joe, I got it.
That is Jesus. I'm not particularly religious, but if I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Hear that's what he sounded like, if I heard.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
That noise in the middle of the night, I would
I'd be praying to whatever, I'd be praying to somebody
whoever's listening. All right, Well, if you think you know
who is making that sound, you can write to me
at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. You can
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write to me also your questions if you got any
If you got any questions. I occasionally do the listener
questions episodes. Oie, thank you so much for joining me today.
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It's so much lasagna with all that.
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Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,
and today on the show, a deep dive into the factual,
accuracies and inaccuracies of the Garfield trailer. Beat by beat,
we will examine the trailer in detail and talk about
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whether there are real life examples in evolutionary biology that
can lend credence to a new Garfield trailer. What a
silk moth make a better Garfield does? Social facilitation of
eating explain why John tolerates Garfield? Are there other animals
who eat horrifying amounts of food much like Garfield? Discover
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this and more as we answer the age old question
how is Garfield like a subordinate male cichlid fish? Joining
me today to check the Garfield trailer with scientific facts?
Is Garfield understander? Emmy nominated producer and TV writer. Friend
of the show, Joey Clift, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited to
just finally, you know, get to the facts on this
Garfield trailer and really just let the world know what's
really going on.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, this is very important Garfield trailer dropped. It features
a new tale of Garfield. Sort of what the sense
I got from the trailer is it's sort of telling
the tale of Garfield's life, like from kittenhood to adulthood
to like, I guess meeting his own father is a
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thing in this trailer. And of course Garfield is voiced
by the most talented voice actor in the world, Chris Pratt,
who we cannot get enough of.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, speaking of things that don't sound like they should,
a goat just kind of screams instead of making sounds.
That's kind of what Chris Pratt's Garfield sounds like to me.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah. So, yeah, Chris Pratt, he voices everything in every movie.
I think that the goal is just like every movie
will only be Chris Pratt playing the various roles of
voicing all of the animated character playing all the live
action roles. It is too kind of I mean, it's
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efficient really to only have one guy in movies.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that way you just only have one schedule that
you're really tracking instead of like a million people's schedules.
I mean, I do think I will say like I
do like Chris Pratt as an actor. I think him
as star Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like
a really fun character. But I think that him in
his voice acting work with Garfield and the Mario Brothers movie,
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it kind of feels like his strategy and preparing for
these roles is just to listen to like two minutes
of somebody else doing the voice and then just be like,
I probably got it, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's what's a girlfield, I'm Rele, I'm Garfield John.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, and it's like, nailed it perfect, No, No, it's
you know, yeah, He's just like, don't need don't we
don't need to do a second take. We got it,
you know, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's like I get why you cast somebody like Chris
Pratt in you know, like on paper in a movie
like this, because you know, he is a movie star.
That's a draw. But like it does kind of feel
like you could have cast a voice actor to do this.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But the thing is, do voice actors have the raw,
animalistic sex appeal that Chris Pratt has? Yeah, so we
are we are discussing the Garfield trailer. But don't worry,
evolutionary biology fans. I am examining this trailer through the
lens of evolutionary biology. What do I mean by that?
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Going through the trailer beat by beat, at every point
of the trailer, every sort of claim this trailer makes
about Garfield's life, we are going to see if there
is a real evolutionary biology example of such a thing
to really kind of we're fact checking this trailer. We're
seeing if this trailer holds any water in terms of
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actual evolutionary biology. And so we start in the trailer
with Garfield an orange kitten in a box in the rain,
looking very sad, and then he smells food seemingly from
like quite a ways away, Like he smells food inside
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of a restaurant, like all the way across the street
in the rain, which is pretty impressive. I think it might.
It seems like it'd be hard to smell food from
so far away. So is there an example of something
orange and fluffy that can detect odors from very far
away ys? Indeed, the Maleanathus silk moth can do this
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like Garfield. So the Sanathis silk moth is sort of
a reddish orangish color. It is fluffy like Garfield. It's
not quite as like bright orange as the Garfield sort
of like focus group tested orange coloration. But they are
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I think they're quite pretty. They're this sort of rusty
orange and and they're fluffy. Joy I shared it with
you an image of one of these little guys, and
I think they're quite cute.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. I will say something that was really important to
me about this episode was, you know, fact checking this
Garfield trailer because you know, as we know, Jim Davis,
the creative Garfield, famed cartoonist and evolutionary biologist, really created
the Garfield comic stript as a way to honor, you know,
just like his factual love for different, you know, animal phenotypes.
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So I will say that you know, this, this this
creature that you sent me, he has a rust colored
orange color that I think is it's very close to
the color that you saw in the first design of
Garfield when he was a little bit more of like
a quadruped than a biped. So you know, my guess
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is that when Jim Davis originally created Garfield, he definitely
was looking at this creature, as you know, his his
way to build what he views as the perfect cat,
which is the the orange coloration of this insect mixed
with it presumably this insects like just ravenous love of lasagna,
and you know, I think he just nailed it, And like,
as a member of the scientific community, I'm just gonna
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applaud him for his work.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So I did have the fact check you, Joey, because
jokes are not allowed on this show. You said that
Jim Davis is an evolutionary biologist. Now this is, of
course not true. Jim Davis did grow up on a farm, however,
which informed him, I suppose, of the existence of cats.
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So he used that farm experience to know that cats
were indeed an animal that exists, and then he drew
a cat, and that cat was Garfield. He also worked
for an advertising agency before becoming the dad of Garfield.
And one might conclude that Garfield is a cynical attempt
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to create a marketable character that you can sell merchandise for.
And what I would say to people who come to
that conclusion is, have you no joy in your life?
Do you have no childlike Spark of Wonder where you
can ignore the implications that Garfield is just a cynical
plot to advertise an orange cat that is very marketable.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, to that, I say, is this the moment that
I learned that everything I know about Jim Davis is
a lie. No, I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So yes, but about this this moth, this silk moth,
It is an orange fluffy guy. The orange fluffy guys
are out there, and they're real. Like Garfield, they are
relatively large. They're found in North America. The Ceanothus silk
moth has a wingspan of over four inches or over
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ten centimeters. They live in a variety of environments, including
conifer forests, coastlines, and desert chaparral. So the males of
this species of moth, they don't really sport a cute
little pink nose like Garfield, but instead a set of
fluffy and tina that they can use to detect female
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sex pheromones from miles away, So many miles away, these
little guys can detect that there is a female who
is sexually mature. And while Garfield may be horny for food,
these moths are horny for mating, which I guess is
the original type of horny. And so these moths will
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detect the female sex pheromone, they'll fly towards them, they
will mate. Then females will lay their eggs on plants.
The caterpillars will will voraciously eat the plants. The caterpillars
are actually quite pretty themselves. They are bright green with
these beautiful little blue and red tubercules. So tubercules. It
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sounds malignant, It does not sound like a nice thing.
But these are just basically horny projections that are found
on caterpillars and then other other animals, and interestingly so
adult sy Aanathis silk moths have eye spots on the
tips of their wings, and the patterns on their wings
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almost look like a pair of snakeheads, which is possibly
a form of baitsy and mimicry for these moths to
say like, hey, I'm not a moth, I'm actually two snakes.
So like bug off, much like how Garfield has eye
spots on his back that makes him look like some
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kind of you know, horrifying monster when he turns his
head so that he can eat lasagna without being hassled.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So just uh, I just want to clarify that we
are definitely saying in this that it is Garfield's goal too.
The reason he can smell a zangna from so far
away is that his goal is to frankl Azagna that
is yes, you know, I think just scientific fact at
this point. And you know, I do think that you
bring up a really good point about the eye spots
on his back. So I think that Garfield is Jim
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Davis's effort to create what he've used as the ultimate
apex predator. And I think that those eye spots really
aid in, you know, Garfield's ability to intimidate you know,
his prey, and you know, just a just a good
job for Jim Davis wanting to play god.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know how Like you look at Garfield and he
has those huge cartoon eyes and you think that's his face.
Actually there's like a normal cat face like on the
other side of Garfield's head, and those huge eyes that
we see are his baitsy and memicry eye spots, So
we think that he's like facing us, but instead like
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he's got just a regular, well proportioned cat face on
the other side of his head.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah. The thing about those eye spots in the back
of his head is that when you see them, it's
too late.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It is too late. Yeah, if you see the whites
of his eye spots, you know, don't run, just lie down.
And accept your fate.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You're about to be eaten with Garfield's bare hands.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, and to your earlier point that like Garfield's eating
is like sort of a like when he's eating, it's
sort of a more of a sexual thing that is
heavily implied by this Garfield trailer. We're not just freaks.
Like this trailer has a whole scene in it where
it's like Garfield's about to go down on some lasagna
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and he's like the younger members of the audience might
want to look away because one can only assume it
means he's going to attempt to meete with the lazagna.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I think he's going to attempt and succeed. Yes, Garfield
is a smooth fella.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So you think Garfield could seduce a plate of lazagna?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Oh, I mean, look, Garfield could seduce some lazan all day.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Lazan all day. So we're going to take a quick break,
but then when we get back we will discuss more
of the Garfield trailer and how there are indeed real
life evolutionary examples of animals doing the same things that
Garfield does in this trailer. Lots of learning ahead, folks,
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So stay tuned. All Right, we're back. And I'm certainly
not just using the Garfield movie trailer as a pretext
to slip in some sneaky education about evolutionary biology. No, no,
I deeply care about this trailer. So the next part
of the trailer is Garfield running across the street and
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trying to avoid getting hit by cars. Some might say
this is an overused trope. I say to them, shut up, Yeah,
and I will say that based on Garfield's character design,
which I will say that is something that I really
loved about.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
The trailer is like the art style, to me, is
just kind of beautiful and evocative of the classic Garfield strip.
You know, it really feels like the the the two
thousands live action Garfield movie, they just kind of tried
to turn Garfield into just like, you know, some CG
creature that didn't really look like the Garfield that we know,
where Anny.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Valley sort of like horrifying, like humanoid orange thing with
Bill Murray's voice.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You mean, yeah, when it's also weird because in the
two thousands Garfield movie we see like CG Uncanny Valley Garfield,
but there are also regular cats in that movie.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Because it's yeah, so Garfield is some kind of strange
catlike munculus in that movie. I do like that. I
like to feel a little bit of mortal terror when
it comes to Garfield. That's my favorite. That's Garfield at
its best when it makes me feel sort of this
palpable sense of horror and fear for my life.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So something that I'm curious about your scientific opinion on
this Garfield character design as a kitten in the early
part of this trailer you mentioned when he's running across
the street is very caterpillar esque. So and now that
I think about it, once Garfield is, you know, an adult.
As we see him in the trailer, he definitely does
have the appearance of a cocoon. So do you feel
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like there's going to be a point in this movie
where Garfield is going to emerge from his cocoon and
enter into his true moth form.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, that is a really interesting question because, like
like we said earlier, there are some moth like characteristics
to Garfield. His ability to sense odors from very far away,
the orange fluffiness, and also you know the fact that
the larvae of moths, known as caterpillars eat like a
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massive amounts like like incredible amounts, and usually they gain
mass when they're eating so much, which is something that
I'm going to talk about later on in the trailer.
But like, so, what happens with caterpillars, for moths, for
butterflies is they enter into a cocoon or a chrysalis.
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And the difference between a cocoon and a crystalis is
kind of structural. Cocoons are usually made from sort of
these like you know, bound more by a silk structure,
or crysalis is a more of a sort of smooth
kiteness structure. Regardless, either way, they they enter into a
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cocoon or a crystalis and then uh, they actually turn
completely into a sort of liquefied state. This is this
is all true. This is not a fiction created by
the Garfield universe. Moths and butterflies, the larvae will eat
and eat meat until it's gained a lot of mass,
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a lot of just raw material essentially to fuel its
transformation into a butterfly or moth. And the interesting thing
is that once it's kind of it's gone into this
like liquefied state, where like if you cut open a
cocoon or a chrysalis, which I don't necessarily recommend because
then you ruin the whole process. But you will actually
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find a goo this kind of like gelatinous liquid, and
then of course it reforms into a butterfly or a
moth and then it a little it will emerge from
the cocoon or crysalis, and there there you have this
transformed animal. Interestingly, it retains memory from its catapillar form.
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So there have been multiple studies on like teaching caterpillars
to find an odor to be unpleasant, like they'll you know,
have them smell some odor and then like shock them
or something. You know, scientists are mean to bugs. But
what happens is that as adult, these ones that have
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been trained as caterpillars will still avoid that odor versus
adults that had not had that training as caterpillar. So
despite the fact they turn into this like kind of
protein uh slurpy inside of the chrysalis or cocoon, they
still retain that memory from being a caterpillar. So what
they think is that they're these this neural cluster of
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cells that does not disintegrate essentially, so they have this
neural cluster of cells. A lot of the rest of
their body has kind of like disintegrated into more like
of a stem cell state, where these cells will now
differentiate into sort of the different parts of the butterfly,
but the neural cells retain some of the original neural cells,
so that it's not completely lost the learning that it
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had when it was a caterpillar. So how this relates
to Garfield is that I would expect Garfield to potentially
turn into kind of a coagulated jelly at some point
in the film within this cocoon, and he should still
retain some of his memories from kittenhood because he would
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retain these neural cells, but he would be completely transmorgrified
and liquefied before turning into his final morph, which would
be I'm not exactly sure what they'll reveal that to be,
but I am excited.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah. All I know is that Garfield is full of goo,
and that whatever his final form is going to be
is going to be both horrifying and beautiful, just like
the Garfield we know and love.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Exactly So, But back to this part of the trailer
where Garfield runs across the street and avoids getting hit
by cars, because I think this is a really pivotal
moment in the Garfield movie. Otherwise why would they show
us this rather pointless thing in the trailer? It must
be I feel like it's Chekhov's Garfield avoiding traffic. There's
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probably gonna be video games of like you play as
Garfield trying to avoid traffic on your way to running
towards a restaurant. But this, I think there is some
relevant research and evolutionary biology in terms of animals learning
how to avoid traffic. And I want to talk about
cliff swallows. You might be asking, how do cliff swallows
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have anything to do with Garfield. They have everything to
do with Garfield, So.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Cliff swaps everything has everything to do with Garfield.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Garfield is life. Garfield is in the sort of basic
building blocks of life. So silly question. Cliff Swallows like
to build their nests in cliffs, caves or grottos. They
will use human structures though, like because they say, you
build a freeway overpass, well that's kind of like a
cliff or cave, so that they will build their nests
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inside of this overpass. You may have seen them now.
The problem with that is that there are a lot
of cars around these structures, and cars are fast, and
when you have a car and it hits a cliff swallow,
the cliff swallow basically gets purade. So it's not a
good situation for the cliff swallow. So researchers have been
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studying these cliff swallows that live near human structures since
the nineteen eighties and they've actually found that these cliff
swallows have started to be better at not being killed
by cars, Like the rates of cliff swallows being pulverized
by cars has gone down. And that has also matched
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with another interesting thing, which is that cliff swallows wings
have been getting shorter, So their wings have been getting
shorter and they've been less likely to get pulverized by cars.
And so the conclusion the theory is that the shorter
wings make it easier for these cliff swallows to avoid
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being hit by cars through more speed and maneuverability. And
the researchers are calling this vehicular selection. So I think
vehicular selection being like vehicles actually driving evolution. And how
does this relate to the Garfield trailer, Well, the question
is why is Garfield the only kitten we see? I
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think it's answered in the next scene, which is the
traffic Garfield running across the street in traffic. Now, Garfield,
I think is the only survivor of the brood, and
the other offspring that we're in the same brood as
Garfield probably got killed by the cars, and so we're
seeing this evolutionary pressure of cars on the Garfield. And
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so the Garfield is the strongest of the brute and survives,
and we should see more Garfield like traits in the
next generation of Garfields. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think that you do bring up a good point
and that in creating Garfield, it was Jim Davis's goal
to create the perfect evolutionary creature, right exactly, And I
think that that's and I think that's really what is
being portrayed in this trailer is like this is it's
not going to get better than this. This is the
most evolved that any living organism can possibly be.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean, it's it is so involved that it seems
to be able to eat like in massive amounts of
calories and somehow efficiently process those into pure energy that
doesn't actually take up so much mass like I would assume.
Now I'm not a physicist, I do often guess on
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Daniel and Jorge explain the universe, so they would probably
be better at answering this question of how do you
convert mass into energy such that you do not have
to like like because we see Garfield he eats spoilers
like an entire restaurant's worth of food, but he doesn't
change in size, and so the inside of the Garfield
has to be incredibly dense. I think, like have a.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Lot of dnsitya like a neutron start.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
New trun star. Now. Now, weirdly enough, there is not
we don't see like the restaurant patrons being pulled into Garfield,
because if you're that dense, you should have a gravitational poll.
So there is some other mechanism by which Garfield is
able to abscond with this mass and convert it into
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some form of energy that is not creating like gravity, well,
which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yes, something that I want to point out is that
when Garfield arrives at the window in the Garfield trailer
of this restaurant and we see John Arbuckle moment sitting
alone at this table. We see that John Arbuckle is
sitting alone at the table, but he has an entire
large pizza in front of him.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Joey, be very careful where you tread here, because you
know I live in Italy. So if you're about to
imply that there is something pathetic about sitting and eating
an entire peace alone, You're gonna run a fountain like
the Italian authorities.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No, I guess that I'm saying that, like eating an
entire eating an entire pizza alone, I get. But like
eating an entire large pizza alone, well, also.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
In the restaurant, like I feel like, or.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
You do, like in your apartment when you're just like
I don't really want to make food today.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
We've all like ordered a large pizza, rolled it up
like a giant blunt, and then eaten it in a
dark yes, right, and like with the curtains drawn and
the lights off, so nobody including ourselves can kind of
see us doing this important yet obscene ritual. John is
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doing it alone in a restaurant, which is an interesting thing.
And I actually did want to touch on this whole
scene where you see John trying to eat this enormous
pizza alone in an Italian family food restaurant. But the
main thing is, like you see John, He's actually not
doing a good job of eating this uh pizza, this
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large pizza, which one might ask, well, why would he
order it if he doesn't want to eat it? But
this phenomenon of him being unable to eat this food,
whereas you pan around to these other families and they're
all eating their food very easily, they're all happy. This
is actually a real phenomenon, and it's called a social
facilitation of eating, and it has been observed in both
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human and non human animals, And there's actually quite a
large number of studies done on this. Now again I
have to say, like this is actual evolutionary biology, none
of Like this is.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Not everything we're saying is true.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Sure, so right now the truth is happening starting now. So,
studies done on animals in lab settings since the nineteen
sixties have found like a variety of species of animals
that will eat more in groups than when they are alone.
So this includes fish, birds, dogs, monkeys, gerbils, rats, and possums.
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There was a study on chicken.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
All things that I eat when I'm with a group
of people.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You eat gerbils, lambs.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Possums, gerbils. If I'm with a big enough group, I
just chow down.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Look, you know what just be careful about eating monkeys
because of those prion diseases, but otherwise go for it man.
So a study on chickens found that when a chicken
eats until it is satiated, so like once it's like
completely full, and this chicken you're like, hey, chicken, you
want more corn. This chicken is like, I couldn't possibly
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have any more corn. It will actually resume eating if
you introduce it to a hungry chicken who is like corn,
I'm super hungry for corn, and that chicken bee starts
eating the corn and chicken a, which was previously like
I'm full, I can't eat any more corn. It sees
chicken bee eating the corn, and chicken a is like, man,
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I could go for some corn too, and it starts
eating the corn as well. And so this has been
widely observed in social species of animals. It's also been
widely observed in human beings. So people in laboratory settings
eat more in groups, and will also eat more in
the presence of people who eat large amounts. So in
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one study, participants were invited to eat crackers. Again, I
have to emphasize that this is all true. This is
not a bit I'm telling you the truth about the
things that we have actually spent.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm telling you, I've been telling the truth this whole time.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
So people were given were invited to eat crackers in
a lab and then they were paired with a fake
participant called the can Confederate. We're not talking about the
US Civil War. A confederate in a psychology study is
basically someone who pretends to be just another participant in
the study, but is actually with the researchers and is
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playing some role. I had to do this as an undergraduate.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Though. It is weird because in the situation, the Confederate
is required to love Leonard Skinner. That's the created part
of this.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So yes, the Confederate was assigned to eat between one
and twenty crackers. So you have like a number of
Confederates eating on a spectrum of cracker eating. And so
they looked at the effect of how many crackers the
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plant the Confederate eight on the actual participants appetite for crackers.
So those paired with the Confederate who ate high numbers
of crackers themselves would eat around eighty six percent more
crackers than those paired with the low cracker eating Confederates.
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And that's an interesting study that was done on real
human beings. Another finding in terms of social facilitation of
eating is that people will eat more with family and
friends like that has the highest impact on social eating,
increasing food intake and shared meals. So in this way,
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the Garfield trailer is very accurate to life, and I
think it also allows us to understand better the symbiotic
relationship between John and Garfield, because you're like, well, why
would John have this cat around this Garfield That it's
not really a cat, is it? Garfield is its own
sort of species. I think, like either a species.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Or he's like, yeah, yeah, he's a caterpillar who entered
induced cocoon stage. Will right blossom and do it terrifying moth? Yes, right? Right?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So you know, the symbiotic relationship between John and the Garfield,
I think we kind of get the some understanding of
that this might actually be mutualism rather than a parasitic relationship,
because the Garfield comes in and does indeed eat like
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all this food. But the thing is John was incapable
of eating on his own, like he was too sad
and alone to eat. So by having Garfield, even though
the Garfield is eating a lot of the food. I
think the implication here is that without the like large
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eating of Garfield, right, because in these studies we found
like when you're paired with someone who's eating a lot,
your appetite will go up. The John is actually able
to eat more as well, even though like on average,
the Garfield is getting more portions of the food. Seems
like that's evidence that this is actually a mutualistic, symbiotic relationship.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay, so science question about the trailer. Does this explain
why John has a large pizza in front of him
and he has a knife and fork next to him,
like he's gonna eat the pizza with a knife and fork.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I think that that's more of a philosophical question,
like if you're gonna eat a pizza with a knife
and fork and you're not actually in Italy, Like, is
that just kind of a nihilistic, uh sort of position.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Or is that an Italian thing? In Italy people eat pizzas.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Wow, I didn't know that absolutely, because well, it depends
on where you are in Italy, but like a lot
of the pizzas, especially here in northern Italy, have a
very very very thin crust, like so thin that you
cannot lift the pizza. The pizza is actually got it unstable,
so you you actually have to use a knife and fork,
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and they're a veryvarious ways that you can do it.
You can just kind of like cut it up into pieces.
Like one method is you like sort of cut a
strip and you roll it. But like it's because like
you'll have like this very thin crust and like a
bunch of cheese and like meat or whatever, and so
you actually cannot like do a slice and then lift
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it up. It'll just all fall apart.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Okay, So sort of like a like a traditional Naples
pizza that we know of, it is something that you
can more lift and eat with your hands, whereas like
there are different parts of Italy in the same way.
There's like a Chicago Deep Dish pizza, which is like
you could eat a Chicago Deep Dish pizza with your hands,
but it's like your hands are also gonna be real
gross afterwards.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, I mean, it depends on like your like whether
or not you want to sort of do performance art,
whether you eat it with your hands or not. But like, yeah,
I mean it is eating pizza with a knife and
fork is actually okay to do in Italy because it's
like you have to do it for a lot of pizzas.
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And I don't really think there's much judgment, Like it's
not like they judge you if you eat it with
your hands, Like if the pizza is structurally stable enough
to eat with your hands, you can either eat it
with your hands or a knife or fork. They don't
people really don't care.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay, that's good. Now. I do have to say this
trailer definitely won some points for me for featuring Garfield
eating you know, his primary prey as we know of
which is lasagna. That's something that's like front and center.
And the first minute of the trailer this cute Garfield
kittens in a takeaway container of lasagna. So you know,
I think that so far this is clicking along really well,
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and you know, I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. Yeah, And lasagna is actually an invasive species in
the United States, like it's an indigenous to Italy. If
you think of food as animal species, which is not
it's actually correct, but.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Which is I mean how I view everything. I mean
I feel like, what is a pepsi can but but
a durabil made of metal and without arms or legs
or ahead.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
This is a science show people.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Okay, so how does how does we've shortly into the
trailer Odi appears? How does Odi play into this theory?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I completely ignored Odie.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's uh, it's okay. Jim Davis did too.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
When I try to look at Odi, I see sort
of like a white static, like my brain can't actually
process Ody.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That makes sense. I try not to process him either.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, it's better. I think it's it's easier to enjoy
the art if you ignore Odi.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean like I think that
Jim Davis is an infallible person who can do no wrong. Yeah, like,
you know, let's just say Odie's not one hundred right.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Odie is the negative space that makes it easier to
enjoy Garfield.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think, Ah, thank you for helping me understand Jim
Davis's genius.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, Odie, like jazz is the notes you don't play.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
So a friend of mine brought up a really good
point to me in this trailer in that it's seriously
lacking its use of the song I don't like Mondays
by the Boomtown Rats.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh they don't play that in this trailer.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
They do not play this song. But like now, like
my level of Garfield, you know, I would say fandom
from a scientific place is that I re edit the
trailer in my mind to that song. Yeah, the version
of that, the version of that in my mind that's
edited to that song. I cry too.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well. We were going to take a quick break while
Joey collects himself. But when we get back, guess what,
it's more fact checking of whether this trailer is actually
scientifically accurate what it means, like the sort of evolutionary
biological principles of the Garfield movie. Official trailer will be
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our back, So Joey, I do want to talk about
one of the main features of the trailer, which is
the when the beat kind of drops, you know, where
it's like with Garfield eating massive amounts of food, and
there is part of the trailer where it is implied
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that eating the food is disturbing in some way, and
I just want to play that clip so people understand
that we're not exaggerating or so that the clip is
the context is Garfield is seated before a large plate
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of lasagna that John, his caretaker, has prepared for him,
and he looks directly at the camera. Something known as
breaking the fourth wall, and he says this.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I apologize in advance. The eating you're about to see
will not be pretty. And if you have young children,
this would be a good time for them to leave
the room.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So I mean, first, I want to get your thoughts,
Joe about sort of the implications of this scene.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, so a few things. Something that I genuinely love
about this, as I would say as a Garfield historian enthusiast,
is that there are a lot of moments in this
trailer where Garfield looks directly to camera, and whenever he
does it, it's like a very clean one shot that
like is very evocative of the Garfield comic strips when
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Garfield would sort of deliver the punchline in a thought bubble.
So I think that that's something that I really appreciated
with this trailer is like, you know, the Chris Pratt's
voice aside, It does really feel like there is some
level of like effort to love and appreciate and honor
you know, Jim Davis's Perfect Baby, Yeah his original vision. Yeah,
totally totally. But I will say my takeaway from this
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is that, you know, like we spoke about earlier, immediately
before this cut or after this cut. Garfield definitely freaks that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Right, right, Yeah, I mean that is I mean that
seems what they're implying, because I don't understand what the
other interpretation could be. So the one of the things
that is that's sort of the focus of this trailer
is that Garfield eats an incredible amount of food. Now,
we did go over the theory earlier that Garfield could
contain some kind of like neutron star like matrix inside
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of his stomach that is a way to compactly store
that amount of mass without actually changing his external dimensions.
But the other theory for how Garfield could function could
be found in evolutionary biologies. So there are plenty of
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animals that can eat food that are is larger than itself,
like such as you know snakes. But there is this
really interesting example of a deep sea fish that can
eat just ridiculous amounts of food and prey much larger
than its entire body, and it does this through an
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expandable food pouch. So this is called the black swallower.
It is a fish that can grow up to be
around nine inches, so that's like it's less than a foot.
It's not that big. It's found in deep North Atlantic
Ocean waters. It's found around two thousand to nine thousand
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feet under the sea, which is around six hundred to
two seven hundred meters. So it can eat prey that
is up to around ten times its own mass. And
it does this with a this like membrane, this extendable
pouch in its stomach that is somewhat translution. It actually
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kind of looks like a water blo and so it's
jaws can swing open large enough to eat things bigger
than its own head. And then this it can basically
swallow whole this prey, uh, and it can section it
in like a vacuum into this distendable membrane, and so
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that it is able to eat things much larger than itself. Now,
of course, the problem with this being Garfield's method of
feeding is that we don't see this this expandable pouch.
But one could perhaps assume that some artistical license was
taken to censor this so that it could get I
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assume it has a PG rating, so that might have
been the only way for it to get that kind
of rating in the movie theaters.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, So the Black Swallower, it's It's a really fascinating
looking creature that I definitely recommend you check out. There
are a lot of photos and drawings of this fish swallowing,
a fish that looks to be like three or four
times at size, and you can see like the outline
of the fish in it's like in its mucus pouch. Yeah,
and it just looks terrifying.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's what I think to look at.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah. So I think that this opens up the question
and I think, you know, spoilers for anybody that plans
on watching the Garfield movie. Do we think that the
movie ends with Garfield eating John?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Hmmm? That's an interesting question, right, like, because if that's
the case, like the symbiosis between John and Garfield would
be more something that ends up you know, consuming its host.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, because I think that you look at you look
at the size of John, you look at the size
of Garfield, and you know, using what we know about
the black swallower, it does feel like Garfield could probably
fit John in his mucus pouch.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, probably. And you know, I there are there are
there are plenty of examples of sort of parasitic relationships
or parasitoid relationships where it's like something basically eventually consumes
its entire host that Garfield could be modeling. Now there
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is a peril for both Garfield and the black swallower fish,
which is that if it eats a prey item that
is too large, it can actually accidentally essentially explode. So
it can eat food that just directly bursts through this
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feeding pouch, which will kill it. Another potential problem, and
this is real again, like this is an actual thing
that happens to.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
These We've talked about everything.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
We've talked about exactly about Garfield, all true, all true,
all real. We invite lawyers to try to find anything objectionable.
So for these black swallower fish, if they eat prey
that somehow doesn't like tear this feeding pouch but it's
still perhaps too large for it, decomposition can set in
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for this prey item before the black swallower fish can
actually fully digest it. And then the when something is decomposing,
it releases gases, and so those gases will fill this
pouch of the black swallower and it will actually cause
the fish to float to the surface. And one of
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the characteristics of deep sea fish is that they are
designed to be at these crushing depths of the ocean.
So when they are reach the surface of the ocean,
they actually kind of like fall apart in a way.
It's like you've probably seen photos of the blob fish,
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and it's this like weird, pink gelatinous mass, but whereas
when you look at it when it's actually in the
depths of the ocean where it belongs, it's a lot
more solid looking, a lot more bony, and it's actually
more of a gray color than pink. And that's because
like you have something that is designed essentially to withstand
that kind of pressure, and then you take it up
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where there's no more pressure, and then it just kind
of like it doesn't exactly explode, but it kind of
like it's organ's rupture and its skin kind of like
kind of like come apart. And so that's what happens
to this black swallower. It dies if it flows to
the surface. It's kind of like if if you put
a human in space, there's gonna be a lot of problems,
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like we're we're not designed for both the like kind
of we're just not designed for space, and these fish
are not designed for the low pressure of being anywhere
above their sort of a deep sea area.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, this is really interesting. I actually did not know
this about blobfish. Looking at photo's side by side, the
blobfish at depth looks like, you know, like a fairly
normal fish. Where it's at the surface, it like looks
like it just kind of got turned inside.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Out pretty much. Yeah, it does not. It does not
like avert. It doesn't turn inside out, but it does
lose structural integrity once ing just the surface.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
So I guess that using this to go into what
we know about the Garfield movie, could we picture a
world where maybe an act to Garfield turns into his
true you know, his true form, explodes from his chrysalis,
finally swallows John and then realizes that John's a little
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bit too big. John ruptures Garfield's insides, and the movie
ends with both John and Garfield dying as sort of
like a testament to the hubris of nature. And you know,
do we picture that being a potential way the movie
could go? I think that based on everything we're seeing
in this trailer.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I think so. But if not that, I'm sure you
would find that on someone's like ancient live journal in
some dark corner of the internet.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
As a family. That's that's the Garfield movie that I
am going into this expecting.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
So one interesting aspect of the trailer is that it's
revealed that Garfield has a father who is huge in bulky.
He's maybe like five times the size of the Garfield.
It's wall Field. I did do a world famous podcast
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where we played a tabletop RPG, and I did have
a character that was essentially a giant orange cat that
was extremely muscular and eight everything that it could. So
I do think that probably the movie did listen to
that that extremely world famous podcast of me and a
(48:07):
bunch of friends playing a tabletop RPG where I had
a giant Garfield as a character.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, it does feel like you deserve a written by
credit in this movie.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yet probably probably like I'm really humble, so I feel
like I wouldn't you know, I'm not going to like
write them a letter and say like, hey, guys, please
give me credit. It's just I feel that it's so
clear that's what the inspiration was that I'm not even
offended that they don't give me credit. That that was
a that was a podcast by the Gamefully Unemployed Networks
(48:41):
from a long time ago, but still choose your own adventure.
That was those fun times.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's just important that the listeners know.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
This, right, I think so, yeah, sou. But back to
sort of the meat of the question, which is are
is there an act? Are there biological truths to this
part of the Garfield movie trailer, like can you have
an adult male that is like five times the size
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of another conspecific adult male another adult male in the
same species. So yes, this actually does occur. In nature,
there are animals where there are different morphs adult morphs,
particularly in males, where some adult males are much larger
and more aggressive than other adult males. This is found
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particularly in reptile and fish species. We'll focus on one
such species. This is Minkly's cichlid, which is a tropical
fish found off of the coast of northern Mexico. There
are large males, large dominant males that have harems of females,
so the females will lay eggs and the large males
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will externally fertilize the eggs. So basically just go by
with like a black to sperm cannon over these eggs
and fertilize them. So small males, which are also adults
but are much smaller than the large males will instead
use a sneaky strategies, so they will dart in quickly
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to fertilize the eggs while the large the large males
are not looking, and then the small males will like
dart out, fertilize the eggs really quick and then go
back into hiding. So I think it is reasonable to
assume that Garfield is a small morph of the Garfields
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and uses this sneaky strategy in terms of mating versus
the large the swool Fields, the larger morphs of the Garfield,
which is more just kind of uses the aggressive protective
form of mating.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
So I have a question about the trailer at two
minutes and one second in and we see the Garfield
from the trailer fly through the air and then hit
a large Garfield balloon that was amazing like a Macy's
Thanksgiving Day parade balloon.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, it hits. It does hit a large Garfield shaped balloon,
which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So so originally my read of this was that is
this a world where Garfield is famous? And if so,
why is Garfield the cat famous in this world? Like,
is this a world where Garfield exists? And also, the
Garfield comic strip exists, and the Garfield comic strip is
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like a documentary about the life of this cat. But
I think that, honestly, this conversation is maybe pointing me
in a different direction of like, this could be we're
seeing an adult Garfield. It is full state, gigantic, able
to fly, and ready to terrorize the city. What do
you think about that?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Right? This might actually be like the final morph of Garfield. Right,
Like we think it's a Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade balloon,
but that's just sort of our frame of reference. This
could actually be a fully adult, giant morph of Garfield
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being sort of like and what seems to be the
ropes like holding the balloon down might actually be sticky
strands of like filaments that this Garfield deploys in order
to entangle prey on the ground. And so there is.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Also a world where there's sticks trying to hold that
Garfield up to prevent him from eating the city.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
That's also entirely possible. It's hard to know because this
is not like an identified species yet like that we
know about. I'm hoping that this movie like provides more
information on this large Garfield. So yeah, I mean, I
think that for sure this could be like after sort
of the Garfield goes through a stage of metamorphosis, it
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does turn into this very large morph of the garfield
that is actually the size of a city block, and
does would in this case, it would very easily consume people.
So I think that is probably where the movie trailer
is going, like it is the tale of like what
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happens when you adopt a small, innocent looking garfield, but
then eventually it does grow to be the size of
a city block.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
And yeah, it's really like Grimlins. It's like, you know,
you don't lead them at night, don't put them in water,
And clearly John Arbuckle didn't get that memo, and now
the city's going to suffer for it.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
It's a tale of hubris every time, you know, the
hubris of man thinking we contame the wild Garfield.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
As we know that that was Jim Davis's original intent
in creating Garfield as it was.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yes, I mean, I think he really wanted it to
be a cautionary tale that we are not God's we
can't tame the wild, and when we think that we
are more powerful than mother nature, mother nature will strike
back with a giant orange catlike creature the size of
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a city block.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah. All I got to say is Jim Davis note taken.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Well, we did it. We did go through the entire
Garfield trailer and disassemble it, analyze it. I am so
excited for this movie. It looks fantastic and interesting.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
So, way before you totally wrap, one final question I
had about the trailer. So it ends with a contest
that says your cat act like Garfield, and basically they're
urging people to send in videos of their cats acting
like Garfield potentially be included in the movie. So my
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question is, does it sound like their intent is they
want you to take your cat and stuff your cat
full of lasagna?
Speaker 1 (55:17):
And yeah, so like, don't do that. Yeah, don't feed
your cat a bunch of lasagna.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Don't listen to this trailer. Don't feed your cat a
ton of lasagna.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, I mean, unless like you're really into giving your
cat diarrhea and having to take your cat to the
vet for said diarrhea. I would not feed your cat
like an entire pan of lasagna. That's bad for cats.
They can't really digest that stuff really wells.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Cats should not eat an entire plate of spaghetti and
an entire pizza in one sitting.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Right, exactly, they shouldn't eat an entire family stfle Italian
restaurants worth of food in one sitting. You will have
a pretty sick cat.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah. I know that. That's exactly what they're asking for
and what they want in this ad campaign. But do
not take work.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
They said, take your cat to an Italian style family
restaurant and have your cat eat all of the food
in the restaurant and capture capture it on video. That
is what they said. And I feel like, you know,
there might be legal grounds to, you know, bring them
to justice. But I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
I am wait, I'm not Is that the saying a lawyer? No,
I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I hope you do win an Emmy where you just
like take the Emmy everywhere you go and then you're
like someone's like, is there a doctor here, and you're like,
I've got an Emmy, and then you just try to
do surgery, You try to do lawyering, and nobody they
let you do it because you have an Emmy. We look.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
The thing is is like if I were to win
an Emmy, the tops of an Emmy are very pointy,
like the wings of the statue.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Those wings are sharp.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
And I'm gonna use that to eat lasagna. It's just
gonna happen if you.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
If you win an Emmy, will you promise me to
at least if like you if you can have it? Right? Like,
I don't know how it works, like if they actually
let you keep it, if you just touch it and
then like it goes back into a vault. But like,
if you get it and it's yours to do with
what you want, will you do a video of yourself
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eating some lasagna with your Emmy?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Uh? Okay, so okay, So the real answer is that
do I want to do that? Oh? Yeah, But like
I think I might have to, Like there might be
rules of when you get your Emmy statue of what
you can't get do it?
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Is it like the Is it like the American flag
where if you there, it's like you go to jail
if you tie the flag around your neck like a
bib to eat lasagna?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah? Or it's like just do they like take it
back or something? Right?
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Do they like resind your Emmy if you disrespectfully use it?
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah? If you use it specifically, if you use it
to eat lasagna as a as a giant utensil, will
they get mad?
Speaker 1 (58:17):
I just don't see why that's disrespectful. I feel like
that's very respectful, because you're like, I respect my Emmy
so much. I want it to be a part of
this moment with me as I eat this lasagna the most,
the most divine, fudes.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
This is exactly what I will be screaming to the
Emmy people as they try to pry the Emmy from
my pc lasagna covered hand.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
It might be easy for them to do that. If
your hands are greasy, it'll slip it out. That's another peril. Ah.
Before we go, we do need to play a little game.
It's called the Mystery Animal Sound game. Uh, guess who's squawking?
Every week I play Mystery Animal Sound and you the listener,
and you the guest, try to guess who was making
that sound. It can be any animal in the world.
(59:01):
Last week's hint was this, This animal has a more
famous catchphrase, but it has plenty of other things to say.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Okay, I'm gonna say that's a rooster, because roosters have
the famous cock a doodle do catchphrase.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
You're you're very close in that this is poultry. Congratulations
to Emily M and Sean Dee, who both guessed correctly
this is a wild turkey.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
So oh gobble gobble, Oh.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has the gobble gobble. All people
know about turkeys is the whole gobble gobble. But there's
they have. There's so much more to turkeys than just that.
Turkeys have all sorts of vocalizations. They're very social creatures,
just uh for some a few examples, like there's a
(01:00:02):
bunch of different vocalizations. Here's sort of like turkey for hey,
Like they're just like saying, hey, hey, how's it going.
This is like a standard cluck, so that's like turkey
for hay. There's a pet sound, which is an alarm call.
(01:00:23):
That's this. There is a tree call, which I guess
they do all roosting in trees. So let's see. This
is this is my favorite, I think, well, second favorite.
(01:00:45):
This is an assembly call to gather young turkeys or
other members of the turkey clan. And then my actual
favorite one is this one. It's a turkey purring.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh that's nice. I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
That's a happy turkey purring. There's all, of course, the
classic gobble. I feel like that's a trope at this
point though it's overplayed.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, hey turkeys, you don't have to lean on the hits.
Sometimes you can do something new.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah, So onto this week's mister Anne will sound. The
hint is this, do not adjust your television and ignore
the barking in the background. This hisser is better off
in a manger. So I do want to emphasize it's neither.
(01:01:55):
I'm not talking about the sound of the dog barking
or I believe the cat, but that.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Sound so so I I'm going to do a wild
jest and say that this his sir, belongs in a
major That to me means that that's baby Jesus, our,
the baby of our life.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
You got it. He nailed it, Joe, I got it.
That is Jesus. I'm not particularly religious, but if I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Hear that's what he sounded like, if I heard.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
That noise in the middle of the night, I would
I'd be praying to whatever, I'd be praying to somebody
whoever's listening. All right, Well, if you think you know
who is making that sound, you can write to me
at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. You can
(01:02:50):
write to me also your questions if you got any
If you got any questions. I occasionally do the listener
questions episodes. Oie, thank you so much for joining me today.
Where can the people find you? Oh and like this
cool stuff that you do?
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This was This
is so fun. I always like to break down, you know,
the just the real world science of Garfield, which I
think Garfield learn. You can follow me on Twitter, TikTok
and a Blue Sky at Joey Tainment and Instagram and
threads at Joey Cliff with five or six eyes. You
can check out my new digital series, Gone Native at
(01:03:31):
god Native dot tv. And then you can check out
Spirit Rangers, which is nominated for seven Emmy Awards.
Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It's so much lasagna with all that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Oh yeah yeah yeah I could, like I could start
up with start with one Emmy and then move to
another when it gets too greasy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, you can have like a salad Emmy and a
soup Emmy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
You can watch The Rangers on Netflix. It's you know,
it's nominated for seven mm's. It's a good show. You
should watch it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
That's that's fantastic. I'm real proud of you, Lisby serious moment,
very proud. Thank you guys so much for listening. If
you're enjoying the show and you leave a rating and review,
I greatly appreciate it. I read every single one of
your reviews, even if it's just you to say, like,
you know what, personally, I do like to eat a
pizza with a knife and fork and I'm proud of it.
(01:04:20):
That's fine. You can review it with that and thanks
to the space Coassics for their super awesome song Exo. Lumina.
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Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Hey, guess what, I listen.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
To your favorite shows. I'm not Jim Mother. I can't
tell you what to do. Live your own life, be
your own you, embrace your unique, wit, your unique with
See you next Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Every bye,
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