All Hands on Planetary Defense!

How did the novella The Little Prince inspire a planetary defense strategy? How does NASA plan to put an asteroid in lunar orbit? And can we stop a catastrophic event?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to
Forward Thinking. Hey there, everybody, and welcomed you. Forward Thinking,
the podcast that looks at the future and says, how
can you just leave me standing alone in the world

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that's so cold? I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick.
In today, we're going to be peering up into the
skies with horror, trepidations, with anxiety. Why would we do that? Well, Uh,
we decided to revisit a topic we've talked about previously.
So back in August, we released an episode titled It's

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Coming Right for Us, and that was about the dangers
of space objects colliding with Earth, like asteroids and meteors
and comets and that kind of stuff. And so we
large pianos, very large ip really just the majority of
items that you can find in the ACME catalog. Wiley

(01:06):
coyote would get um. But we explored the potential options
of what we might do to deal with an oncoming
space object. We were specifically looking into things like the
scenarios of deep impact and armageddon. Would that the answers
there makes sense, and specifically with armageddon, the answer is heck, no,

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don't blow it up. It makes it worse. Do you
was Do you remember? Was this the episode where I
talked about the old movie The Day the Sky Exploded?
It may very well have been. I honestly did not
go back and listen to the episodes. So, uh so
I want to say, yes, listeners can let us know
if we're wrong. But we wanted to talk a little

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bit more about this today because I recently actually looked
into an organization that is dedicated to discovering and ultimately
deflect doing space objects that are on a collision course
with Earth. I had not heard of them before, which
is odd. Or if I had, I don't remember it,
which is odd. You've heard of everything, well, I mean,

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which is odd because we specifically researched this topic, and
our research tends to be fairly exhaustive. Sure, it was
also a couple of years ago, though, and you know,
maybe maybe they hadn't had something big come out in
a couple of years or something like that. But yes,
so part of our Hey, scary stuff could fall on us, right,
So to refresh you about why is it scary that

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stuff could fall on us? Uh? Collisions happen, right, big
stuff from space has collided with Earth in the past.
And it doesn't even have to be really big stuff.
It can be relatively small stuff, right, because it could
be moving wicked fast. This is a result of relativity. Yeah, well,
it's basic physics, even if we don't even have to

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get into full relativity to understand that. Uh, that forces
mass times acceleration. Right, So if you're if you're moving
at a really high velocity, which is not acceleration obviously,
but if you're moving in a really high velocity and
you have a decent amount of mass, you're going to
you're going to give a lot of force when you
hit something. I guess that's correct. It's just regular physics.
I was thinking about the proposed space weapons that would

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have just small, regular mass objects moving at relativistic speeds
to create like nuclear explosion, right impacts. Yeah, just to
shoot a peanut real hard and yeah at times. Yeah,
that's that's kind of like what we were talking about
just a second ago, but on steroids. So let's talk
about some of the collisions. There was one that happened
around sixty five point five million years ago, sixty six

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million years ago, who's counting really. Uh, that created a
pretty big crater on the Yucatan Peninsula in Mako, and
that's believed to be a major contributor to the mass
extinction that killed off the dinosaurs. Yeah, you'll often hear
about the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, and uh, the
space object that collided there with the Earth whatever was

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probably does seem to have been a major factor contributing
to the mass extinction of that time period, but it
probably wasn't the only one either, Right. That's why I
say contributing factor as opposed to this killed the dinosaurs,
because as it turns out, there were a lot of
different things that play that said, the cards were stacked
against the dinosaurs. I think the last time I read

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about this issue, there was the belief that there was
a lot of volcanism and volcanism volcanic volcanic activity, climate
change around the same time. Sure, but you know, a
multi megaton event doesn't really help. By megaton, I mean
mega tons of energy, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's that's
not an assistant. Yeah, that didn't That didn't alleviate the

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volcanic activity. So to bring it up to a more
modern era, you know, let's let's let's skip ahead. You know,
sixty five and a half million years or so. Who's yeah,
who's counting up to nineteen o eight. That's when we
had an event happened that we can actually look at
as an example of a relatively small space object colliding

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with Earth. I'm talking about the Tunguska event. Now, unless
you're one of the people who believes this was actually
Nicola Tesla testing a secret super weapon, it wasn't. The
Tunguska event was a was a space rock. It was
a bowl eyed event from space that was not actually
that big. No, it measured around a hundred twenty feet

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wide or thirty six point six meters, although there I've
read other measurements that had it as big as forty
five ms, which you know, that's that's significant, but it's
still still not huge compared to the Earth, right, the
Earth is enormous. Something that's just just you know, thirty
six or thirty seven ms wide, that's nothing. Ten difference

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of ten ms would make a really big difference when
you consider how fast this thing was going super fast,
and it hit Uh in Siberia. Uh Uh a relatively
remote patch where there weren't any people living in that
immediate area, which is good because if they had been,
they wouldn't be for much longer. Uh. The the blast

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stripped the trees of all of their limbs and bark
at ground zero, So the trees remain standing directly above
where the space rock essentially broke apart when it blasted over.
That's why I meant sorry, directly below. I have problems
with prepositions because because they believe it exploded in the atmosphere, yes,
exactly right, they believe it explodes in the atmosphere above

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this region. So the trees directly below the explosion turned
into turned into toothpicks. The trees around them. Actually that
that's not fair. That makes it sound like they splintered
into toothpicks. They were stripped, they were the trees around
them were all flattened. They all laid down in a
radial pattern. So actually it's like they all fell backwards

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in a circle, stretching out quite a bit. And like
like eighty million trees, million trees over eight hundred square
miles or seven square kilometers. It's that's an enormous amount
of space for something that again was relatively small, and
there were some historical accounts from people who were somewhat

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nearby at the time. Oh yeah, there was a story
about a guy who was essentially out on his front
porch when this thing happened and the blast when it
moved through. Uh. He reported that he felt a sensation
as if all of his skin had caught on fire. Yeah,
he was not, He was not. He was not relatively close.

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He was pretty far away. Um. And so we were
lucky that it happened in such a remote area. There
were no known deaths as a result of this that
that have ever been reported from what I can tell,
So we were lucky. If it had happened over a
populated area, that story would obviously be very different. And

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clearly a larger or more massive i should say, space
object would cause even more devastation should collide with Earth.
And there here's the thing. There are a lot of
them out there in the Solar system, right. There are
a lot of of of space objects that are the
size of the Tunguska Rock or bigger. And that was

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the big concern. That was the thing we were talking
about in our previous episode, is that we need to
be able to find them, to track them, and if
necessary to somehow stop them from colliding with Earth, whether
that be a method of destroying them, which I think
we all agreed eventually probably is the least likely approach

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because you're more likely to create a shotgun up. Blowing
it up is probably not a good option, But usually
it's how do you move it out of the way.
The smarter option is to deflect its trajectory right that
way you're you're pretty sure it's not going to hit you,
and and also you know, the further out you can

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do it, the less you have to move the space
object right. So if the space object is if you're
detected that this thing is going to collide with the Earth,
but it won't be for another forty years, and you
can start your plan right now. You can go ahead
and launch a spacecraft to get there in a certain
amount of time and deflect it in some manner. And
we talked about a lot of those in the last episode.

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We'll we'll concentrate on a specific approach the gravity tractor
in this one um and you don't have to pull
it very far, so you don't have to use as
much energy in the actual towing event. It still takes
a lot of energy to get there, but you don't
have to do as much when you're actually towing the
object out of the way. You just have to get
it off by like a degree and you're good. So

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now it's time to talk about the Little Prince. And
this is why I chose that particular lyric for the
because he's the littlest Prince. Um, so we're the little
Prince is uh, have you read The Little Prince Joe?
Actually you haven't. Have you read Oh my gosh, guys beautiful.

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You have to go and you have to read it
and then you have to cry. That kinda is part
of the deal. Um. That's a very sad, sweet story.
And generally speaking, I'm gonna just give a big overview.
This story is told from the point of view of
a pilot who has crashed in the Sahara Desert and
he comes across a little boy who says that he's

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from an asteroid. He lives on an asteroid, and he's
had these various adventures going to different uh asteroids within
the Solar System and encountering different people before coming to Earth.
And and through his adventures you you learn about very
common follies and flaws, things like being so self absorbed

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that you never notice anything outside of yourself. Essentially, it
was a kind of commentary on the sort of traps
a fall into, but children tend to be free of
because they have their childhood innocence. And it's almost like
a warning tale in many ways. Um In fact, I
would argue it's as relevant for adults as it is
for kids. So the pilot kind of guesses that the

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Little Prince's asteroid is one that has specifically been identified
and has been named B six one two. Now, the
reason why I give you that whole lead up is
that now there is a private nonprofit organization called the
B six one to Foundation, and it is dedicated to
creating a real solution for possible Earth collisions with space

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rocks or or space objects, comets, asteroids, that kind of thing.
And and here the thing that they're warning against is
giant things slamming into Earth at incredible speed. Yeah, and
they're specifically saying, you know, we can't ignore this. We
can't fall into the trap that the adults fall in
in the novella The Little Prince. We cannot be those
But we have to open our eyes because otherwise, by

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the time we realize there's a problem, it'll be too
late to do anything about it. So we've got to
be proactive. And they they hope to avoid catastrophe by
adopting new ways to detect and deflect space objects on
collision trajectory. And they got started back in two thousand two.
Now that was a year after NASA had held its

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first workshop at the NASA Johnson Space Center dedicated to
the concept of asteroid deflection. So two thousand one, NASA says,
you know, we really have to talk about this. And
a year later, UH, former astronauts, some astrophysicists, and some
other people all got together and created this organization B
six one two Foundation, And they get their money for

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their projects through philanthropy. It's nonprofits, so they depend upon donations.
They actually say one of the most important UH things
that they're doing is they're set up a new means
of funding space work like that they're doing this through philanthropy,
that they're doing this through UH privatized space to to

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use the the rockets from companies like SpaceX. They said,
you know, we're doing something that that hasn't been done before,
UH in the space industry, and we're setting a precedent,
and that could be just as important in several ways
to the work that we're planning on doing with detecting
and perhaps deflecting space rocks. So in two thousand and five,

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the Foundation published a paper about creating a gravity tractor,
and we talked about this a bit in our previous episode.
So let's give a quick overview. Okay, I think this
is one of the most interesting proposals on on how
to deflect body and coming for Earth, and and it
relies on the fact that this is something people often
forget about. All objects with mass exert a pull on

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one another. So it's not us that the Earth pulls
you toward it. You also pull the Earth toward you,
just not by enough to matter. Yeah, not not by
very much. And gravity is a relatively weak force. Yes,
it's the weakest of the the four forces. That's why
we tend to look at things like astrophysics when we
want to talk about it. But but, but this actually

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comes through in astrophysics and astronomy a lot. Like one
of the ways we can look for stars very far
away that have planets orbiting around them is to look
and see if the planets orbiting the stars are actually
making the stars wobble a little bit, because as much
as the stars pull on the planets, the planets also

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pull on the star just a little bit. Yeah. So
here on Earth, obviously we don't notice that we happen
to be exerting this gravitational pull on the objects around us.
The Earth's gravity pretty much, uh, it drowns all that out, right, So, uh,
for instance, on the table that's in front of us
here in the studio, we have a little box of

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tiss shoes. I don't feel a pull toward that box
of tissues. That tissue, that box of tissues, if it
could feel, would not feel a pull towards me. The
Earth has pretty much got that downpad. But in space,
you can have two bodies to two bodies of mass
having this gravitational effect on one another. And of course
distance is important, right. The greater the distance, the less

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effect they will have on each other. So you want
to have things to be close to one another in
order to affect them through gravity. Yeah, Jupiter has a
stronger gravitational pull than Earth does. But we're attracted to Earth,
not Jupiter because it's closer. Yeah. So if uh so,
when you think about this. You think gravity tractor, it
makes sense. You you create some form of spacecraft that

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has a great deal of mass to it, or it
can get mass in some creative way once it's out
in space, because obviously the more mass something has, the
more effort we must make to get it out into
space in the first place. Share, But we launched like
a like a cottam r a ball and just let
it roll up a few things into its life, then
yes it can. Yeah. Or if it were to steal

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part of the incoming object, yes, yeah, which NASA has
a plan about that and I'll talk about that towards
the end. Or maybe we just launch an enormous magnet
and just hope it grabs some of that space junk
that's orbiting Earth right now, or maybe someone else's communication satellites,
not ours, but maybe someone else's now. But seriously, seriously
to have enough mass so that you move the gravity

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tractor close to the near Earth object or INDEO, and
then uh, I guess the idea is that the gravity
tractor goes into orbit around this object. Yeah, and then
that the gravity that it exerts, the gravitational pull it
exerts on this object is enough to move it out
of that trajectory that it was in and thus move

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it into a safe zone where it will not end
up colliding with Earth. So it's kind of like if
somebody shot a bullet at you, and you could go
into bullet time, like in the matrix, and shoot out
a little mag knit to follow the bullet along and
just throw it off course so that eventually misses you
by the time it gets to where you are. Yeah,
and again, the further away the shooter is from you,

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the less you need to move that bullet for that
to happen. Right, Um, same thing here, Like the further
away the the object is, the less you need to do,
the less work you need to do in order to
to get it into a safe trajectory. Uh. And it's
it's a pretty clever idea. It's not something that we've
really put into practice, but it's something that that there's

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no reason why it shouldn't work. I mean, obviously you'd
have to come up with a clever way to make
sure that anything you used to move the space rock
didn't have another force pushing against it. So, for example,
you wouldn't want to have thrusters on this spacecraft shooting
in the same direction that the the rock is in,
because then you have not just the gravitational force acting

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upon the two objects, but you have the thrust sting
force that could act upon the space rock, and then
you're not gonna get the effect that you wanted. Uh.
I've seen some interesting things where people actually talked about
using spacecraft using solar sales, and so they would actually
use a solar sale to help pull the spacecraft along

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and tow behind it the space rock. Oh yeah, that's
sort of similar to one idea I remember reading about
in the past. I don't know if it's still on
the table, but it would be to essentially put a
large reflective surface on the sunword facing side of a
moving object that would allow the solar wind, over a
long period of time to blow it off course. Yeah. Yeah,

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there are a couple of other proposals that are similar
to that in various ways. Right. So, anyway, the gravity
tractor is an important part of the strategy that B
six one two has come up with, But just as important,
or perhaps even you could argue more important, is coming
up with a way to identify and track more of

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these large rocks and other types of space objects that
are in the Inner Solar System because we are working
on it, but we're not very far along. Yeah. So,
according to Ed lu who is a former astronaut and
he's the CEO of B six one two, there are
around half a million asteroids in the Inner Solar System

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that are larger than the space rock that hit Tunguska.
And we've identified a map about one per cent of
all of them. Well good, yeah, Well that's that's sure.
That means we need to do like a whole lot
of homework to get that other. So that's where that's
what brings us to their Sentinel project H. On June twelve,

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the Foundation announced it would fund the development, construction, and
deployment of a new infrared space telescope called Sentinel, and
Sentinel will actually orbit the Sun. It won't orbit Earth.
It will be put in its own orbit around the
Sun pretty much in the same orbital path as Venus.
So they're gonna shoot it out into space once it's done, uh,

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and it will get a little gravity assist slingshot from
Venus to put it into its final orbit around the Sun,
and then it will position itself so that it's rear
end is always facing the sun, and that its telescope
side is always facing out. It's not blinded by the sun,
not blinded by not blinded by the light, wrapped up

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like a deuce, another runner in the night. So yes, exactly,
So it's pointing out into space, and the idea being
that it could actually map out the entire night sky
in this way uh multiple times, because you need to
do it just to identify what stuff out there are
space rocks, but you also need to do it multiple
times in order to figure out where are those going,

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what are their trajectories, where are they moving in comparison
to everything else. So what is the idea about why
will this be better at looking for small near Earth
objects than whatever kind of telescopes we currently have looking
for them. Well, we don't have the problem of atmospheric
UH distortion. Obviously, when you have a telescope orbiting the Earth,

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there are going to be times where it cannot look
out outward into the inner Solar system. It's going to
be looking towards the center of the Solar system, which
means there's going to be downtime, right Like, there will
be times that you would not be able to effectively
get information either because the Earth is in the way,
the Moon is in the way, or the Sun is
in the way. Having it on this other orbital path

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further into the Solar system gives the telescope kind of
a wide angle view of what's going on in our
solar system, and it can detect teeny tiny objects within
its field, like a single pixel might represent a space object.
But because it's using this infrared telescope technology, it has
to do is pick up that reflection to figure out,

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well that's one UM. So they're actually partnering this. This
is really happening. This isn't just a plan, this is
actually going forward. There's a company Ball Aerospace in Boulder, Colorado.
They're designing and building the actual telescope, and they're using
the same team of experts that worked on stuff like
the Kepler space telescope. So the projected date of completion
is sometime around or eighteen, and they expect to use

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a space X Falcon nine rocket to launch the telescope
into space, so again relying on private space industry to
get there. Um Now, every twenty six days, the sentinel
will complete four pairs of observations of the night sky,
and by kind of making a flipbook almost of these
different pictures, researchers can see where these objects, you know,

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what are their trajectories, what are their orbits? Are there
any that could potentially become into a collision course with Earth?
And according to the folks over at the Foundation, they'll
be able to project pathways as far out as a
hundred years. So that's that's great because if you can

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really again I mean, we keep stressing it. If you
detected early, it gives you way more options on how
you deal with it and you don't have to use
as much uh energy to actually move it out of
the way in order to get safe again. Um, you know,
I guess my fear, though maybe this is just being cynical,
is that if we did know enough ahead of time,

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we would be locked into arguments about who's going to
pay for the gravity tractor and nobody would I would
think that you would get I would like to think
that that would not happen. If it does happen, I
would like to think I would have an opportunity to
go to Mars. Let's let's just kickstart that. Come on,
we can we can put on Let's put on indie

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go go that way, we don't make our goal, we
still get to keep some of the money. Um so,
so that we can go to Mars right exactly, like
what We'll just set the goal insanely high and that way,
even if we just get halfway there, we're good. Uh So,
this this telescope is gonna send data back through NASA's
Deep Space network to get back here to Earth. So

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that's kind of cool too. And they're gonna limit that
amount of data obviously, Like if they just kept sending
full pictures of the entire night sky over and over,
that's a lot of information. It would be real pretty,
but yeah, not not useful necessarily. And and this is
depart that right, Yeah. Yeah, it's so much a lot
of computer power and energy wasted there. And this is

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a part that I thought was really cool. The computer
is going to know, is it's going to be able
to identify moving objects by by seeing where they have
moved from one photo to another, and only send back
the photos of the ones that are moving, Like if
nothing in the frame is moving, then the satellite just
tosses it out. It makes me think of the old

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days of film cameras where you would go and get
your film developed, and you'd sit there, you would actually
open up your your pictures at the place where they
were developed and go through them to see like, oh,
I'm not we need to keep this one like it's
only got it's only got a strand of hair in it.
You can't even tell who belongs to blurry blurry blurry
from print blurry. Yeah. So this would be the same

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sort of thing, except essentially saying, look at this sector
that was photographed at this time, are there any space
rocks essentially out there? No, don't bother sending that back then,
it's not gonna do any good. So I thought that
was a very clever way of trying to increase the
efficiency of the system. And uh, this should really give

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us a good idea of any potential threats that we face.
So that would then prompt us into the discussion of
all right, what do we do about? Do we do
the gravity tractor approach, which I'm seeing more and more
um support for in actual groups that are planning on
doing these things. I see alternatives to the gravity tractor

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more from like think tanks that don't directly actually do
still yeah, they think really hard, but other than that,
they don't really do anything really hard about nuclear weapons. Yeah, right, right,
and Bruce and Bruce willis going up there and and
and Aerosmith and all the sudden, Okay, well we clone

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Bruce Willis. This is the first step. No, no, okay.
So so right now we've got about one percent of
the sky covered, right, what are they hoping to get
up to with this plan? So they're hoping to boost
that up and map out nine percent of the near
Earth objects that measure at least a hundred forty in
size are greater uh, and a quote large fraction. In

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other parts of their their literature, they say fifty percent
of asteroids that are bigger than the one that struck
Tunguska um. And this is where I said there was
some differentiation between the the figure I've seen in some
reports about the Tugnuska event and B six one two.
They say that means around forty five, which is larger

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than what I had seen elsewhere, which thirty six points six. Uh.
This will actually happen over the course of six and
a half years. I've I've heard that there's a possibility
the telescope could continue to work for another three and
a half years for a full ten year lifespan, but
six and a half is what they have planned. Um.
And so the other thing is that we might be

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able to use this data for stuff besides just deflecting
incoming dangerous space objects. We might be able to use
it to identify potential good candidates for asteroid mining. We've
talked about that in previous episodes. Two. So that could
be really cool. Now that's not the primary focus of
B six one two. That would just be a happy

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coincidence or a happy byproduct of this process. Uh. And
B six one two is not the only one, you know,
not the only organization out there thinking about this. Obviously,
NASA has been thinking about two. They were the ones
who held the workshop back in two thousand one that
kind of prompted the creation of B six one two
in the first place. Yeah, and I think we talked
a little bit about their organization in that episode, the

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Near Earth Observation Program. Yeah, so that's specifically dedicated to
looking at near Earth objects, as the name would imply.
And Uh, they initiated something called the Asteroid Grand Challenge, which,
and this is a quote from NASA, will use multidisciplinary
collaborations in a variety of partnerships with other government agencies,

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international partners, industry, academia, and citizens scientists to direct, track, characterize,
and create mitigation strategies for potentially hazardous asteroids. That sounds
like a really boring way to say planetary defense. Yeah,
and it's actually under their planetary defense. Uh like that,
that's the u r L is the planetary defense u

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r L. Uh. And the challenge also has an actual
contest that there. It's called a challenge for a reason.
There's a contest involved. So NASA partnered with a crowdsource
studio called Tongle to create this. And there are twenty
thousand dollars worth of prizes. I don't know how they
break down, Like, I don't know if there's a first price,
second prize or anything like that, but there's twenty dollars
worth of prizes. And Uh. In order to get your

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hands on that, filthy luker, what you need to do
is create a really awesome video that can quote engage
and excite the public about getting involved in NASA's mission
to find and characterize asteroids. We can do that, I know, Joe,
we can do that. It's like we have a whole
studio set up, literally a studio fifteen feet from where

(29:31):
we're sitting, where we can do that. Maybe we should
try to get in on that. I was, That's what
I'm saying. Uh So, NASA is also working on an
Asteroid redirect Mission or arm a r M, in which
a robot will deflect an asteroid from's trajectory and place
it in a stable orbit around the Moon. I think
we've talked about this before. Yeah, and this was going

(29:52):
back to what you had mentioned earlier, Joe, the idea
of stealing something from the target object in order to
create greater mass and thus affected more. This is what
the robot would do. It would end up piloting to
some near Earth object, capturing a multi ton boulder from

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said object, thus increasing the space craft or the robot,
I guess the robots mass, and then using that mass
as a gravity tractor to tow it over into a
lunar orbit. And then the reason we wanted in a
lunar orbit is eventually NASA would want to send astronauts
up there to explore it, take samples, bring it back
to Earth. The samples, not the asteroid that would remain

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in lunar orbit. Yeah, that would have that would evade
the purpose of making things not hit. Like, hey, guys,
look look what following me home? Can we keep it? Uh? No, man, No,
that would be kind of cool if the moon had
a moon. Yeah, yeah, for the moon, and we could
watch it. We could watch it transit the Moon at night,
and then like just a you know, a few millennia later,

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the moon in vinced pink it again. So at any rate,
um uh. The idea being that we'd send astronauts up
there somewhere in the twenty thirties. I mean, this is
a very aggressive plan NASA has, and it's part of,
of course, their long term plan to get humans to Mars.
The idea being that the technologies and processes we would

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have to develop in order to make this happen in
order to be able to capture an asteroid and to
move it into an orbit, and to visit it and
and essentially do a light mining project and bring stuff back,
all of that would require us to develop technologies that
we could then use for a trip to Mars. So

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almost everything we hear about NASA doing these days ends
up at least in some way contributing to a future Martian,
you know, exploration mission. Yeah, it would also require us
to develop all the other technologies that you find in
total recall. Yeah, we have to have all of those.
We have to have the have to have the robotic

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cabs that actually have a robot sitting in the driver's seat. Yeah,
the chit chats. Yeah, because why would you ever want
to have a driver less car that actually allows you
to sit in any seat in the vehicle. You have
to have one seat occupied by a needless machine. I
think the fake talking lady head that Arnold Schwarzenegger wears

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over his real head says two weeks. Yeah, that's pretty
good one and then just splits apart. Or what about
uh sinus cavity probes? Yeah, lots of lots of years,
actually know, just about two weeks. Well. The interesting thing
again is that NASA is hoping to do this sort

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of mission. Like in the twenty twenties, they hope to
use a gravity tractor to capture an asteroid. In the
twenty thirties, they hope to send astronauts to that asteroid.
So it's a pretty aggressive schedule. I'm I am maybe
skepticals the wrong word. I'm not entirely certain that they're
going to be able to make at based upon where
we are today, But there's it could happen. It just

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will require a fairly aggressive investment in space exploration for
that to work out, I think. But it would be
really cool. And of course if NASA is able to
demonstrate that it can move an asteroid in that manner,
then that is a big win when it comes to,
you know, figuring out how to deflect incoming space objects.

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So really cool. Glad we were able to look into this. Again,
I'm glad I was able to educate you about The
Little Prince. Make sure you go and read that because
it is amazing. Very sad that the American release of
the film version has been delayed makes me want to
take a quick trip up to Canada to see it.
But it is coming out. So there's also a film

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version of The Little Prints coming out, So if you
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