January 10, 2025 • 45 mins
In this episode we explore a variety of robots and AI enabled products and meet a soulless monster from the very pit of hell itself.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All the media.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hi everyone, it's James coming at you with pretty nasty
cold here. I wanted to share with you that Worldfast
has swept through Los Angeles in the last couple of days.
While I'm recording this. Thousands of people have been displaced.
Five people have died that we know of so far,
thousands of structures have been burned, and many many people
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in a will be finding themselves out of their homes
with nowhere to go, with very few resources. If you'd
like to help, We've come up with some mutual aid
groups who you can donate to, and we'll be interviewing
one of them on this show next week. So if
you'd like to help, the three places where we suggest
you would donate some cash are the Sidewalk Project. That's
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the Sidewalkproject, dot org, Ktown for All that's letter k
t own, f O R A l L dot RG,
and ETNA Street Solidarity you can find on Venmo or
I think on Instagram as well. That's A E T
N A S T R E E T S O.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
L I D A I T Y.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, I'm gonna go rest my voice.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh man, welcome to it could happen here a podcast.
That's happening here If here is your ears, if you're
deaf and reading this, then it's happening to your eyes.
Either way, it's happening here.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Here also being Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, yes, also Las Vegas. That's Nevada, not the other one. Nevada.
I A yeah, uh huh uh. Podcast number three. How
the time does fly? Sure does. By the time you
listen to this, Garrison and I will have just had
the best meal that we're going to have. Oh god, yeah,
it's tomorrow for us still, but we're still we're very
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excited about Morimoto, which is a fantastic Every year we
have a very special dinner just them and me and
a couple of friends who will remain anonymous because people
get weird on the internet.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Sometimes it is literally the highlight of my year. Sometimes
it does keep me going. Actually really gives me a
lot of power. Some of the best tacos I've ever
had in my life, so good.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Anyway, ah, we're just thinking about delicious food. Let's talk
about the dead eyed ghoul we met. Oh wait, no,
we're doing yet. We met a dead eyed ghul that
I'm gonna spoil now, real monster like real, real, real
evil vibes, like if this guy as soon as I
met him, shook his hand, like, oh if you get
if this guy gets power, you're going to be responsible
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for a lot of death and suffering.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I mean speaking of he will.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He's just not that talented. He wishes, but you never
know where these guys are gonna end up.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Speaking of sad evil Uh, Twitter X everything appy, that's
what people are calling it. They gave a keynote which
was very sad.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The CEO Lindah Linda really jakerino about Twitter for a
while oh so bad.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So they started by talking about how Facebook meta has
has copied Twitter's like fact checking policy of actually not
having real fact checks. Yes, now maybe has actually kind
of failed as an industry, but for you know, our
problems perhaps with fact checking very different from these people's problems,
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and the fact now that that Facebook is walking away
from actual, like genuine like fact checks against like just
disinformation misinformation and parting ways with like using like legacy
media a lets to verify information because those media aulets
are too political quote unquote, and instead is copying the
the current X model of free speech and specifically saying
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like there's been way too much censorship on gender issues.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Now you can comment that women are a piece of property.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, I mean I think specifically this is this is
like trans like no, no, no stuff too.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
One of the things that is specific exemption now is
that you can now refer to women as if they
are property on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
This is the future of communication, right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, thank god, Linda is really blazing a trail for
women everywhere.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Linda was very excited about that, and they u Yakarino
about that for like a good a good ten minutes
about how you know this is this is where we're
really entering a new era of free speech and social media.
And then she got asked a question about how much
ex Twitter, the everything app will will take a part
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in Elon Musk's plans for the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE,
And this got the the first applause of the panel.
It applause only happens two times during the DOGE section.
Was the first like you know, room, room starts clapping moment,
everyone goes crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
How many minutes in was that?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Oh maybe it was like maybe like maybe like twelve
thirteen minutes?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
People?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Really, yeah, I had to had to be intentional here.
This is not like they were just overdue for class.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
No no no talked about Vivek talked about, you know,
elon turning to Twitter, X the everything app for like
suggestions on which government agencies to get rid of.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I hope we get rid of the A t F.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So so that that was.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Machine guns mandatory? Why not at this point, right, it
can only help, It can only help. Look, if we
learned anything from a thing, I'm not going to specify
that happened late last year. More suppressors is always handy.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
The second thing that got applause was what they talked
about next, was about you know, everyone's everyone's turning to
x Twitter everything everything app for information now and and
and Twitter x everything app played a crucial part in
bringing to light the Muslim rape gang story in the
UK and how that was so important for saving children
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and we have to we have to post more, not less.
And like this was the other thing that got massive
applau was talking about the rape gangs.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
People love rape gangs, people love rape gangs. That that
was a pretty good Star Trek episode.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
That was Tasrir's Planet with the rape gangs, one of
one of the more black pilling things.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It wasn't a very good Star Trek episode.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's also not a good Track episode. I was referring
to the panel, not the Trek episode. But that was
the other thing that got massive applause is it's like
save the children type rhetoric and you know, saying, you know,
like as a mother, it's it's so important that the
more people post about this problem. That was the two
big applause moments. But I think in general, this this
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whole panel was trying to like, you know, demonstrate how
symbiotic a new Trump presidency and Elon Musk's.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Twitter this is a line, this is a tap from
the Trump presidency.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
This is how you talk to the new government. Like,
this is how you talk to all of these new people,
all these new cabinet members. They're all on Twitter. They're
all talking on Twitter. This is this is how you
stay connected to the new government.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's interesting. I want thing I'm curious about, so that
this is the thing that happened the last set of
Nazis that gained power in a country in a big way,
the German ones. There was this common attitude of like
if only Hitler knew because Nazi policies didn't help the
people that were supposed to help. They hurt a lot
of people, like they were just bad at everything, like
fascists tend to be. And there was this attitude that like, well,
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Hitler can't know, like the fact that, like we the
country's been handed over the gangsters who were continuing to
hurt the people Hitler promised to help. He must not
be aware, like if he knew, he would fix it,
only he knew. So I'm wondering how that's going to
play in here. As Trump's policies continue to hurt the
people who a lot of the people who voted from,
not the rich people who voted for him, but the
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people who like flipped between him and Biden or whatever, Like,
those folks are going to get fucked like the rest
of us. And I kind of wonder if they're going
to if there's going to be what win the blowback
against X the everything app will happen, right, Like yeah,
as people are like either I'm being or him being
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called like a retard by Elon Musk for complaining that,
like Elon Musk tweets it and randomly to people when
they make very valid critiques of the ship that he's doing.
Like that's literally what he's calling. He's saying it like
every day, like constantly. I'm not I'm not using it
as a slur. That's just the term he's using. If
they comment that like their fucking medicaid got cut because
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Trump put doctor Oz in charge of it, and Elon
Musk calls them like, you know, a slur, what does
that do to you?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Like they like, I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I don't even have any more intelligent than like, yeah,
I wonder what that does to Twitter's bottom line?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Ye, I mean yeah, I'm not sure if they care anymore.
I mean. Something else Linda talked about is how Twitter's
the only place for independent news to spread. And as
both of us have, you know, worked in the independent
journalism minds nothing nothing spreads on Twitter anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No, as long if it's news, it doesn't. The only
thing that spreads is Yeah, like the shit that makes
people very angry but keeps them on the site, like articles, videos,
If it takes you off site, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
See. Yeah, the things that go viral and get spread
is like encouraging racial bias, yes, s pogrooms essentially.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, which is what happened last year in the UK,
and they're sure trying to do it again.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I mean, I I think some of someone's some of
what she's referencing is, you know, there's a lot of
like throttling attentionally of you know people on maybe our proclivities,
and there is a degree of boosting for more you know,
centrist or right wing journalists. And maybe that's that's some
of some of what they could be kind of more
more referring to there, But you know it was it
was a short keynote, only thirty minutes. Just the two
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things that got applause are doge.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well Linda doesn't know that many words, so they really
need to keep it under thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And literally Muslim rape gangs. Is you know this this
type of like like very very gross racial fear mongering,
and those are the things that like lit up the room.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, we all want there to be an after
where there's even the minimal degree of accountability that happened
after the Nazis. But like what I try to in
my darker moments is like, well that's another person who
like really made the argument of like what needs to
happen when this ends? Because it's just I want to
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hurt people. My business is enabling harm. I want to
get mobs in the street, beating migrants. Like that's Linda's business.
That's the business she has willfully attached herself to. And
we should all see that. It's very important to not
stop talking about it like what it is. These people
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are trying to cause racial violence, and they are trying
to cause gendered violence, and they are trying to cause
harm at scale to communities of people that they see
financial profit in damaging, well in other uplifting c es ues,
cool stuff. I love the Consumer Electronics Show.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Actually, I think it might be time for an ad break.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Speaking of damaging communities of people, right, there's a chance, yeah, ads,
Oh well we're back. Boy, I'm so glad that those
ads told me that Fragaccio Blow is touring with Bono.
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I never thought they'd do it, but boy howdy, and
they're singing each other's song, so you know, that's really exciting.
It's like when Barbara did Selene.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I don't know who Barbara or Selene is, but that's,
oh my god, that's cool. Robert Luckily, I do know
what SKA is. I consider myself a day of culture,
and for tonight, me and Robert attended this kind of
like side event at CEES called Showstoppers. And as you
walk around the CEES floor, there's a lot of frankly garbage.
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There's a lot of just like mostly garbage stuff that
you or stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That like you're just not interested in because you're literally
buying like screens from a manufacturer in China. Like it's
like that which is not the business you're into, because
some of this stuff has meant for companies so.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Much floor space, Like there's like I we walked.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Twenty Town that I spent the first seven years of
my life in is smaller than one of the room CEU.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's across like three hotels and a massive convention center.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Ninety thousand people come into town for this thing.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It could be hard to like see everything you want to. Now,
what's colo about Showstoppers, this is the side event at
the Bellaggio is that basically it's a room full of
kind of all the coolest stuff, a whole bunch of
stuff that has one SEES innovation awards all packed into
one room with food and alcohol. So oh boy, did I.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Order free food and free alcohol?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So many drinks that I then just left on tables,
and it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Always pretty good food, pretty good food.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So we walked around show stoppers and there was a
number of pretty pretty cool stuff that we saw. Yeah,
but I think I think it's maybe time to talk
about the saddest, the saddest man.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
The villain, the villain, the villain of the episode and
of our this year's cees. I have trouble. Can you
bring up their name? Because I'm gonna want to get
this right, so we could be dangerous. But we had
neither of us had eaten and I had had like
a hot dog eight hours ago and walked literally nineteen
thousand steps and also done forty minutes of push ups
in between, so I was starving. So we we like
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shovel food into our faces and we turn the first
booth we see is called open Droid, Open Droid or
open droids droids. Yes, it did. There is an s
Open Droids and it's like kind of Star Wars. He
font it is and I did ask them if you
know they had any issues with Lucasfilm. Apparently not yet
sue them. Lucasfilm, by the way, sue these kids.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I know there's people who work for Lucasfilm who listened to.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
This crush them, burn them like Los Angeles is burning
down as we see.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They had a giant sign that said.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
R two D three.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that's the name of the robot that they're selling.
And the robot, the robot that they're selling is like
a an AI enabled hold helping slash like retail, you know,
like you know robot where it basically is like a
human torso with articulated arms and pincher hands on. And
then the base is like a little tank. Basically it's
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got like treads or wheels and it rolls its wheels. Yeah,
and then the torso there's like a tall maybe six
foot tall like pillar built into this like rolling base
that the torso slides up and down on. And this
was their way of not making like what Musk is
trying to do, right, a humanoid robot where you have
to figure out like knees and balance and stuff. It's
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like no or like Boston Dynamics wheels, right, wheels are cheap.
It a roll It works in most situations, you know.
And then but you still have the ability for it
to articulate and go up higher or go down lower.
Like something that can crouch, but it's much simpler, you
don't have to deal with nearly as much. And so
I saw that, I'm like, oh, well, that's at least
somebody who's thinking about, like how do we make something
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like this like more affordable and less complicated, les to
fuck up. And so I start talking with one of
the co founders of the company, who is an Indian
guy in his forties something around that he had like
gray hair, he'd clearly he said he'd spent twenty years
in robotics. Very nice guy, you know. I brought up
that I thought the design was interesting, and he was
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very much specifying, like, here's the things we didn't do
because they were too difficult, too inefficient. You know, this
is what we're thinking of. This is a machine that
can fold laundry. This is a machine that can do dishes.
This is a machine. And he was very much specifying
and the way he phrases like, these are undesirable tasks
people don't want to do, and this is a robot
that can handle those for like small businesses or for households.
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And we do see this as eventually like a you know,
something like this we want to have in households, but
he was more focused on small businesses, and he was
again very focused on this is a thing that will
do undesirable tasks for people, right, And as I started
asking more questions, at a certain point, I got foisted
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off to the co founder of the company.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Is it the co founder or is it just like
another one of their rests.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You know, I'm assuming co founder because I think it's
just a couple of guys, but maybe I'm not about Sorry,
I got foisted over to the other of the two guys.
There were two guys there, right, I'm not sure because
they don't have listed any where what their role in
the company is. I got a co founder's vibe from them.
That's how it seemed to be to me, at least
in terms of like the way these two were talking.
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But I don't know the scope of the open Droid's company.
Maybe there's a lot more there, but these were the
two guys who were they're talking to us. So one
of them is this very wonky engineer who's been at
this a long time and was really focused on the
nuts and bolts details and wanted to build a robot
that could handle unpleasant tasks for human beings, right, the
same thing we've all been wanting to see. So at
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this point I'm like, this could work. Maybe this is
a viable product. Right. The second guy, Jack j Jessenowski,
So he is wearing what Gryson described as a Jordan
Peterson suit because it is half purple. Is a face
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suit split down the motherfucking middle.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
With like like new age hippie like necklaces, five necklacesla
five necklaces. He had pants with like like embroidered flowers
on those.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And like a nose bridge, like it looked like one
of those things you put in your nose.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
That was one of the other things at showstoppers. There
was a company that was doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So yeah, he had want to be Steve Jobs vibes
from his half unbuttoned shirt and like many many spiritual
medallions to his like Jordan Peterson's suit, and very much
just that. Like I am the charismatic founder and what
I bring to the table. My partner knows how to
build robots. I'm charismatic. I'm Jack j Jessanowski, and Jack
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and I started talking, and boy howdy, we had us
a conversation and I think we're just gonna play that.
What do I need to do to set this up?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
No, I think you've set it up. We walk up
to Jack, I start, I start recording, and we start
talking about the robot, and then things spin in some
pretty interesting directions.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, all right, So what is this thing useful for?
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Well, generally capable, just like a human can reach to
the floor and reach up high to a cupboard, go
up and down.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
That's what we made this for.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Obviously in a little bit of a different fashion because
most surfaces are level.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
And the biggest market that we're going after is households.
Domestic dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house,
eventually cooking. That's more fine tuned, you know, dishes and
laundry is really that first task that is.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Gonna be fully autonomous.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Obviously from a folding standpoint and cooking standpoint, you can
do tele operation today, so can use cheaper labor internationally
through a robot, but full autonomous is coming very quickly,
like Jensen talked about recently.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
So I see there's a lot of folks in the
robot space that are trying robots based on the human form, right,
you guys have not gone that route.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Talk to me about that droid form.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Yes, Well, as we know, robots didn't evolve from monkeys,
and so we have an ability to reimagine them. All
of the existing hardware we use in the world has
wheels for a reason. It just works better. It's easier,
there's less friction. That means there's less maintenance. That means
there's less energy output. It's efficiency. It's also easier for
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us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think
long term, do robots all have legs?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, more or less.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
The home robot does turn into the leg robot because
then it can with you in the car everything.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
But I think the early.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Stages the wheels, because of their cheaperness, because of their reliability.
I think that will be what wins early stage. That's
where we started here.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Because the robot can go in the car with you.
What do you see people wanting to have a robot
in the car with them for?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I think it will just become basically the same way.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
If you have enough money, a lot of people afford
like an assistant to come with them places.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
It's because that seems like a niche market compared to household.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think it's the barrier.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I think is because of the the cost and then
the humanness.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Like then you have to care for another human.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
And whereas in this case it's kind of all positive sum.
And yeah, I guess it's wrong to try to say
majority of people.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
But anyone who's you know in media, you.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Know they videographer will be something you use a robot
for to follow you around and take media and film
for you.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
They won't get.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Tired and say, go grab me a drink or you know,
go figure that thing out.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
But it also can't decide, oh, that's actually not a
good location to film from.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's not going to look as good.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
We need to get over here, or we need another
camera on this side here, we need to get like
different angles because we're going to want to edit this
together into a thing. And as a videographer, I'm not
just a machine. I'm a part of a collaborative creative enterprise.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I think we're starting to see just how artistic these
ais can be.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
What's the best example of that using.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Well, I think the most used thing is this the
Jenai art And then you have some of the new
video models are pretty cool and they're using certain sort
of zoom in shots everything. I think they'll make just
as good of movies as humans. Oh, I think the
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best reference in order to actually say that that's possible
is music. I don't know if you've played with the
most recent AI music. There's song GBT dot com.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
I've heard some things people call music that are produced
by that.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, we can make.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
One live right now that.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I don't know if you've heard like the latest models,
pick me a genre.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Irish spiritualist Scott. If you try Scott too, you.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Love SKA is like definitely probably niche stuff is where
it's gonna have a harder time, But sk s KA.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
I wonder how much SKA data there is out there.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
There's a lot of SKA music out there.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
What should we make it about? Should we make it
about iHeart radio?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (22:57):
iHeartRadio and communication and clear channel communications? All right, it's
here a scaw song. We're like, oh, it has to
load for like thirty seconds.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
It feels weirdly like I'm upset that I have to
wait that long for something to load online.
Speaker 9 (23:16):
It feels to you, huh, yeah, I guys what they're
playing with it a lot, But It's funny to think
about how much time and effort it does take to
like produce a song typically I am twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, that's interesting, wouldn't I guess that?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
What?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Uh is it?
Speaker 7 (23:35):
One thing that's really compelling to me is your partner.
When I came in here was very very much talking
about the utility of this in terms of replacing human
beings and tasks that are generally unpleasant laundry, doing the dishes,
cleaning up trash. You seem a lot more bullish on
robots replacing human beings and what are generally considered to
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be enterprises people want to do.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
With their time.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Is that like a discrepancy that that you guys have
kind of talked about or do you think it's something
you guys are more on the same page with stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
From a business standpoint, we're one hundred percent going after
the dishes, laundry, uh, nursing practice of.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Just doing vitals, which is the very repetitive task. That's
the push. I was starting to just talk into.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
The aspect of the legged robots and kind of imagining
why a legged version would have better utility or be
something someone wants to purchase. Scared rather than the wheeled
robot an yow stairs is definitely a.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Big one of those.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
There are wheel types we're working on right now, would
have ability to climb like single stairs obviously easiest, and
that's what most people have in their home if they
do have stairs.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh, are we gonna listen to some robots?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Scott my heart listeners system.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Stop? Crazy's a scarf.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's a pretty basic melody.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I mean, there's horns in it, but I feel like
it's kind of takes in a I think it Helia
is trying to do pot that it's just thrown some
horns in on. This is a little closer to SCA,
although it's still Yeah, it's not really singing, but I
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guess that's a matter of pace.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
What do you listen to?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
This is the worst that's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I hear that a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's interesting because GPT four took fifty times as much
power as GPT three to train, and there's a lot
of mixed reactions on that. And we're entering into a
period where we're very likely looking at a recession venture
capital funding.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
There's a chance it's not going to be what it
has been.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Is that concern you at all that, like this vaunted
next level for all of this stuff, the energy cost,
the investment cost is just not going to be borne
by a market that is not going to be as
strong tomorrow as it was today.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
At least in the immediator.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
I think even if we created no more energy as
a human species today, the amount of advanced once we
create would from an architectural standpoint, continue to advance.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
So you have other models.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Like I think LAMA three point three, which has matched
four oh's capabilities and is I forget how many parameters,
but like super like much much much smaller and was
much cheaper to train, and like we're continuing to see
like smaller models that are just as effective and we're
much cheaper training runs. I think Deep Seek was one
(27:33):
of the newest ones.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
What I'm what I'm concerned about is I'm looking at
the p and L right, I'm looking at open AI's PNL.
I'm looking at the fact that they're losing five or
six billion dollars last year and we're very good chance
it's going to.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Be somewhere in the neighborhood to double that this year.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
And I'm it's not that there's nothing impressive there it's
not that I don't see like, oh, you can generate
a song that's got like guitar and and and trumpets
and vocals and stuff and you know a minute or so.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It's not that that's not.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Impressive, but like a pilier trick, isn't a trillion dollar business,
And that's the kind of investment they're looking at. And
I do wonder like, is it not much more reasonable
to focus on folding laundry?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Well, obviously, I personally am in the the boathouse of
focusing on allowing this intelligence to flourish and doing these
laborious tasks and getting them in the households. I do
think from opening eye standpoint, and the reason why vcs
and private investors will value them so highly is what's
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next is white collar work.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
A lot of the jobs online. That's what they do.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Have an internal model which is able to control the computer,
you know, the same way you would ask an executive
assistant to do certain things online.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Now it's just.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Jobey's handing along all of their emails now through AI,
which is you know, we'll see how.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well that works on the long term.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
There's been some interesting pulling on like the degree to
which customers and investors feel trust when somebody's responding to
them with an AI. But what's interesting, I mean more
here is the dichotomy between what I see here is
a very pragmatic choice, which is, we're not going to
try and remake a human being formed robot and.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Deal with like knees and hips and all of that stuff.
We don't need that.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
We can have its turn up and down on this
platform and reach things the same way. Melded to what
I consider to be kind of a little more pie
in the sky. We're doing this as eventually something that
can take creative roles and think independently and make things,
which is it's interesting to me to see that in
(29:49):
a company's DNA of what you guys are eight months
out right now, yep, is that what you're more interested in?
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I'd say, I tailor my pitch to the person I'm
talking to.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Uh huh.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
So some people definitely enjoy thinking about more of the
sci fi futures that are coming, for example, the droids
building Droid's moment. It's when you know you are decreasing
your own manufacturing costs by using your own hardware to
build more of that hardware and parts are just being
shipped into the factory.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Obviously.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I think the first fully automated phone factory just came
out in China recently, which is like some cool press
in news, but the phone is separate from the actual
manufacturing process.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, so there's that like interesting component.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
The exciting part of the idea that how do we
reach true abundance as a species of material and resources
is well, because GDP is a calculation of capita times productivity,
a robot really represents capita one in it of creation.
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And I'd say that's where the sci fi thinking comes
into play, and it's it's not not worth going there
when just dreaming about the future robotics and talking about
it and having an interesting, engaging conversation, But definitely when
it comes to what are we doing from an engineering
standpoint on the day to day and how are we
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trying to approach the market, those conversations are not at
being had.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, I appreciate your time and you gave me a lot.
I'm gonna let you get to the other peak. Thank you,
Thank you so much to meet you.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Jack.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh wow, that's super interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I hope you all liked Jack Jay as much as
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Getting to twenty seventy years old and not knowing what.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Scott is that old. I thought he was much younger,
like you thought he was like twenty two.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yes, but the fact that he like he didn't know
what SKA was as a genre, he wasn't was unaware
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't think he listens to music.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, he listens to AI generated hess.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
To AI generated music, he's just as good.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
He has the most, he's the most. I listen to
AI generated music vines. If anyone I've ever seen before,
just very.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Clearly does not have a soul. No, like like nothing,
nothing would leave the universe.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If he did, right, Like it's so opposite from the
first guy you talked to, who was it so like about? No,
I want to have smart, actual tasks that people don't enjoy. Yeah,
I love cinematography. I love I love filmmaking. I don't
First of all, I don't think a robot can can
replace this.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I watched five different AI generated movies yesterday, and they
all looked like shit, even like.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
A robot handling a physical camera to make like to
make like choices on like shot framing and composition, and.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like it's one thing to be like, we want we
have a race cargoing, and so we've got this robot
on a track so we can go seventy miles an
hour and we're just kind of running on a street.
Follow it because a human being can move that. That's sure.
One thing we've left out of this up so far.
So this this machine that I described earlier, this robot
that goes up and down this rolling base has a
floppy Donald Trump mask over the over its head.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Which first attracted us to this.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, that's why we showed up there in the.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
A robot moving its arms around wearing a Donald Trump mask.
And as Robert was interviewing this guy, the robot was
like moving around and like trying to simulate its washing
dishes capability, and it knocked over the same water bottle
about five times. It couldn't it couldn't pick it up consistently,
So I will not trust it with my fine china.
I'll say that.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
As soon as I got up there, I asked, like,
I couldn't take my jacket off, now can it fold?
And He's like, well, we'd have to reprogram it. And
it was this when I talked to the guy, I
was like because he was like, yeah, we really see
this as being, you know, potentially good for elder care. Sure,
and you know, we had just seen the product we
talked about in the last episode, which, for all of
it's I don't know that I think it'll work. Was
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a lot of thought and care went into it. I
was like, okay, so, like, what work have you done
to build a machine that can like communicate and be
helpful to like people who are dealing with health issues
in their their later years. And like, well that's why
it's open right, someone else will Yeah, it's open sources.
Someone else can do it.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Part.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
See, you guys are just you guys are just saying
it can do everything because somebody could potentially code something
for it.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah cool, there always could be code.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, there could be code. I mean again, the other guy,
the actual engineer, seemed very interested in the nuts and
bolts of making an affordable, reproducible machine that could handle
specific tasks, and Jack Jay had absolutely no interest in
the actual machine that they were making. This is clearly
(34:32):
could not be clear. This is just a stepping stone,
and he's kind of grossed out by it because it's
not replacing all human art with a machine that he owns.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
He's a man completely fueled by Lex Friedman podcasts, and
he doesn't want to actually do any real work. He
just wants to talk about how AI is going to
take over everything and we have to welcome it in
and here listen to this is SKA.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
He wants to take money by owning something that does
not provide anything and also put people out of work. Like,
at no point did he express a desire to do
anything other than replace something people were already doing with
something worse that tech guys could profit from. That's all
(35:15):
there is to this man. He's not a human.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It's so anti human.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I cannot overemphasize the degree to which there was
nothing behind this boy's eyes.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, do you know what, there's also nothing super intelligent behind.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's not true. All of our ads are sponsored by
real people, even if they're bad people, they're at least people.
They live and they love and they hate and you know,
maybe they have a promo code.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
Let's see, all right, So after our lovely, Our Lovely Robotic.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Jack j Jessanowski Adventure, Oh god, Also the SKA was
Shiit not good? Not good? It did? It just kept
saying the words Scott.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
He kept saying the word Scott music and saying the
word Robert Robert Scott, well, just doing random noises. After
we had our fill of that, we did walk around
the rest of Showstoppers.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
He was so surprised that I wasn't. I wasn't impressed
by any of the He was like, you must have
heard the lady, man, I hear them.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's like it's like I made this comparison a few times.
If somebody like walked in while I'm at a house
party was like, hey, man, I taught my dog to
masturbate to pornography with its with its pause. I would
be like, well, I mean that's like, I guess impressed.
I didn't think a dog could do that. Like I
am kind of impressed, I guess, But I don't want
(36:54):
this like this, this doesn't do anything for me. It's
you figured this out?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
What what value does this?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
How does the dog know who Farah Fawce it is?
I have questions, sure, but it doesn't give me anything
like no Farah Fauce it was Garrison.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, goddamn, what do you think I do?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I don't know anymore?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, what I did is walk around the rest of showstoppers.
I saw this one booth that had like a like
an iPhone case with like a little like keyboard on
the bottom that like plugs in, and I started messing
around with it, and the guy that booth walked up
to me and made fun of me because he's like,
you've never you've never held a phone with He literally said, like,
(37:41):
you've never had a BlackBerry before, have you? Like no, Like, yeah,
you're typing all wrong.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
On that.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
There was a solid nine day news cycle when Barack Obama,
newly the president, revealed that he had a BlackBerry.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I remember that, which sounds like a lifetime There was a.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Company called r im once and they made a tablet
that was pretty good and we only made a couple
of rim job jokes about it, but it didn't do
very well, and so I gave it to my dad
and accidentally there was still a picture of my dick
on it. Anyway, that's a story for another day.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
These are the kind of things you get recording at
eleven fifty six pm.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And wet Tuesday, gott to get to bed, but no,
he made fun of me for not knowing how to
use a smartphone keyboard.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
He did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I don't need to use that because I have a
keyboard on my phone built in already. It's much faster.
So anyway, we stopped it at this company that makes
well now just makes the software to use in conjunction
with the augmented reality glasses and any like high powered laptop,
specifically the laptops that have like built in like you know,
like co pilots, because they require like higher processing power,
(38:54):
they have an NPU or something like that, like a
like an ampro processing unit is what they're calling AI
dedicated GPU thing. Effectively, it allows you to hook up
these glasses and run you know, possibly infinite amount of
monitors using AR. And we talked about this company last
year because we saw them a show stoppers.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You put on the glasses and it's like you've got
six monitors or whatever that are all full size, and.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
It's actually really easy to use.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It works very well, seamlessly, it's nice.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's it's it's good quality, easy to use, you can
move the monitors around.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It's an excellent, excellent game.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
We talked to them last year and the main thing
that was holding this like holding us back on it
is that you needed to use their own proprietary lab.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
It was their own laptop, and it wasn't a great one.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
It was just like a Linux laptop. It didn't have
everything like I want out of my own personal laptop.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And we were still impressed with it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Then it was still it was so good. Yeah, and
now you can just use any high power laptop with
it essentially. So it's lovely to see that improved. We
saw this lovely like like very small foldable projector.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Oh yeah, that was cool. What's the company? That company name,
because we should be we should be giving out the name.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yes, the ar glasses and the software system is called
spacetop very good by a company called Sightful. It works
works great. But yeah, this this little folding folding projector
currently has a kickstarter. The company is called aura Zen yeah,
or as Zen specifically, it was the zip trifled projector.
(40:20):
Right now. It's it's a seven to twenty p very
small foldable projector. It has a whole it has like
like an auto focusing auto keystone. They're working to get
it up to ten DP, but they're running a kickstarter
right now to ship in about three months. Super good
quality stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
If you're a gadget rishina, Like it felt like a
quality piece of electronics in my hands, Like the way
it like snapped when it closed just felt good. I'm
I think I'm gonna buy one like it's it's exactly
what I want for traveling, which is the ability to
it goes up to like eighty inches of screen and
like very good resolution. The ability to just have that
plugged in to a battery or the wall and my
(40:58):
laptop and like wherever I happen to be, I've got
a movie screen that I don't have to worry about
the fucking hooking up a TV to my laptop or
some shit.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
It doesn't need Wi Fi to work. It just can
cast from from your phone.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
A u r ze and zip trifle projector Aura zen yep, yep.
I think they're selling them for two fifty right now.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's for the for the Kickstarter.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
For the kickstart, it will go up a little one.
That's a product. But we saw it. It works. They
had a lot of they had tracking and stuff so
it like automatically would focus on ship.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Auto focuses and at like it scales correctly forwards, projecting
it automatically like adjusts like the tilt of it so
that it you know.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, obviously this isn't the full review because we don't
own one, but form everything we could tell by looking
at it. In the moment we tried it out, I
hooked up my phone to it.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
As I went to my phone screen, I realized I
have a slightly I would say, artful flute image of
an angel. I quickly swiped away from.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
We shouldn't show your dick to your damn my home.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Screen of my phone. You know they're gonna worse.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Things always be worse. But I think where will end is?
And this actually is not entirely in order, because this
is the next after we had that conversation with our
friend Jack Jay, which just left me thinking about, like,
some people aren't really people, right, That's what I kind
the sole thing is.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
It is a sham. It's all. It's all for rooms.
It's soulless.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
We immediately walk over and we just kind of like
randomly turn a corner and there's like a human shin
like tibia amphibia basically with like a carbon fiber you know,
frame around it that's roughly the shape of like a
person's lower leg, lower leg, and it's called bio leg.
It's a powered microprocessor knee made in Japan, where it
(42:44):
is a prosthetic, but unlike most prosthetics, it is powered
and has a muscle built into it, so like when
you lift up your prosthetic, it doesn't hang and it
doesn't lock. It actually has a degree of motion and
it feels like what lifts the rest of the leg
what you're remaining muscles like it measures based on like
it can like take measurements from them and it can
act intelligently based on that. And I know that it
(43:07):
works because the inventor was there and he was a
man who was missing his leg below the knee and
had built this for himself.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
You spent like ten years working on this, Yeah, eight years,
he said.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Eight years. And that's like really the thing that is
like so both like addictive and also like this like
very tonal whipless. You get at ces as you will
go from like this dead eyed con man trying to
scam the world so he can do god knows what
kinds of other harms with absolutely nothing, nothing inside him
at all, And then I lost my leg and I
(43:39):
built a better prosthetic to help the entire world, and
that's like thirty seconds between those two experiences.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
And like that's that's like the dark magic of cees.
Like I don't like, I'm not like anti tech, like
I think there. I think technology can really improve people's
lives if used well. And sometimes I get kind of
black pilled walking around. See yes, but then we'll stumble
across this, like you know someone who like literally lost
a leg and made themselves their own better leg.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Eight years figuring out how to do this. Yeah, is
winning award.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
It's like award winning, like tech innovation.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It's changing your as a person who has lost your
lower le, like changing being able to like have a
normal gait and balance again, like massive potential to improve
people's lives as a result of this.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, just steps away from Ai ska Ai and Donald
trump Man Lafle.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
The company is again Bionic IM and it's the bio Leg.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Biolag is the product.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, the Bioleague is the product by Bionic M.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I'm going to try to check it out more tomorrow
at Eureka Park, which at this point you know that'll
be like maybe future episodes come next week. But I
guess this closes our actual like like we coadge.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Let's go get fucked up and eat Japanese food.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Oh, I'm here, I'm down, Let's do it.
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh man, welcome to it could happen here a podcast.
That's happening here If here is your ears, if you're
deaf and reading this, then it's happening to your eyes.
Either way, it's happening here.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Here also being Las Vegas.
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Well, yes, also Las Vegas. That's Nevada, not the other one. Nevada.
I A yeah, uh huh uh. Podcast number three. How
the time does fly? Sure does. By the time you
listen to this, Garrison and I will have just had
the best meal that we're going to have. Oh god, yeah,
it's tomorrow for us still, but we're still we're very
(01:57):
excited about Morimoto, which is a fantastic Every year we
have a very special dinner just them and me and
a couple of friends who will remain anonymous because people
get weird on the internet.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Sometimes it is literally the highlight of my year. Sometimes
it does keep me going. Actually really gives me a
lot of power. Some of the best tacos I've ever
had in my life, so good.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Anyway, ah, we're just thinking about delicious food. Let's talk
about the dead eyed ghoul we met. Oh wait, no,
we're doing yet. We met a dead eyed ghul that
I'm gonna spoil now, real monster like real, real, real
evil vibes, like if this guy as soon as I
met him, shook his hand, like, oh if you get
if this guy gets power, you're going to be responsible
(02:41):
for a lot of death and suffering.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I mean speaking of he will.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He's just not that talented. He wishes, but you never
know where these guys are gonna end up.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Speaking of sad evil Uh, Twitter X everything appy, that's
what people are calling it. They gave a keynote which
was very sad.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The CEO Lindah Linda really jakerino about Twitter for a
while oh so bad.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So they started by talking about how Facebook meta has
has copied Twitter's like fact checking policy of actually not
having real fact checks. Yes, now maybe has actually kind
of failed as an industry, but for you know, our
problems perhaps with fact checking very different from these people's problems,
(03:26):
and the fact now that that Facebook is walking away
from actual, like genuine like fact checks against like just
disinformation misinformation and parting ways with like using like legacy
media a lets to verify information because those media aulets
are too political quote unquote, and instead is copying the
the current X model of free speech and specifically saying
(03:46):
like there's been way too much censorship on gender issues.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Now you can comment that women are a piece of property.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, I mean I think specifically this is this is
like trans like no, no, no stuff too.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
One of the things that is specific exemption now is
that you can now refer to women as if they
are property on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
This is the future of communication, right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, thank god, Linda is really blazing a trail for
women everywhere.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Linda was very excited about that, and they u Yakarino
about that for like a good a good ten minutes
about how you know this is this is where we're
really entering a new era of free speech and social media.
And then she got asked a question about how much
ex Twitter, the everything app will will take a part
(04:32):
in Elon Musk's plans for the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE,
And this got the the first applause of the panel.
It applause only happens two times during the DOGE section.
Was the first like you know, room, room starts clapping moment,
everyone goes crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
How many minutes in was that?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Oh maybe it was like maybe like maybe like twelve
thirteen minutes?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
People?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Really, yeah, I had to had to be intentional here.
This is not like they were just overdue for class.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
No no no talked about Vivek talked about, you know,
elon turning to Twitter, X the everything app for like
suggestions on which government agencies to get rid of.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I hope we get rid of the A t F.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So so that that was.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Machine guns mandatory? Why not at this point, right, it
can only help, It can only help. Look, if we
learned anything from a thing, I'm not going to specify
that happened late last year. More suppressors is always handy.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
The second thing that got applause was what they talked
about next, was about you know, everyone's everyone's turning to
x Twitter everything everything app for information now and and
and Twitter x everything app played a crucial part in
bringing to light the Muslim rape gang story in the
UK and how that was so important for saving children
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and we have to we have to post more, not less.
And like this was the other thing that got massive
applau was talking about the rape gangs.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
People love rape gangs, people love rape gangs. That that
was a pretty good Star Trek episode.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
That was Tasrir's Planet with the rape gangs, one of
one of the more black pilling things.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It wasn't a very good Star Trek episode.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's also not a good Track episode. I was referring
to the panel, not the Trek episode. But that was
the other thing that got massive applause is it's like
save the children type rhetoric and you know, saying, you know,
like as a mother, it's it's so important that the
more people post about this problem. That was the two
big applause moments. But I think in general, this this
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whole panel was trying to like, you know, demonstrate how
symbiotic a new Trump presidency and Elon Musk's.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Twitter this is a line, this is a tap from
the Trump presidency.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
This is how you talk to the new government. Like,
this is how you talk to all of these new people,
all these new cabinet members. They're all on Twitter. They're
all talking on Twitter. This is this is how you
stay connected to the new government.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's interesting. I want thing I'm curious about, so that
this is the thing that happened the last set of
Nazis that gained power in a country in a big way,
the German ones. There was this common attitude of like
if only Hitler knew because Nazi policies didn't help the
people that were supposed to help. They hurt a lot
of people, like they were just bad at everything, like
fascists tend to be. And there was this attitude that like, well,
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Hitler can't know, like the fact that, like we the
country's been handed over the gangsters who were continuing to
hurt the people Hitler promised to help. He must not
be aware, like if he knew, he would fix it,
only he knew. So I'm wondering how that's going to
play in here. As Trump's policies continue to hurt the
people who a lot of the people who voted from,
not the rich people who voted for him, but the
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people who like flipped between him and Biden or whatever, Like,
those folks are going to get fucked like the rest
of us. And I kind of wonder if they're going
to if there's going to be what win the blowback
against X the everything app will happen, right, Like yeah,
as people are like either I'm being or him being
(08:01):
called like a retard by Elon Musk for complaining that,
like Elon Musk tweets it and randomly to people when
they make very valid critiques of the ship that he's doing.
Like that's literally what he's calling. He's saying it like
every day, like constantly. I'm not I'm not using it
as a slur. That's just the term he's using. If
they comment that like their fucking medicaid got cut because
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Trump put doctor Oz in charge of it, and Elon
Musk calls them like, you know, a slur, what does
that do to you?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Like they like, I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I don't even have any more intelligent than like, yeah,
I wonder what that does to Twitter's bottom line?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Ye, I mean yeah, I'm not sure if they care anymore.
I mean. Something else Linda talked about is how Twitter's
the only place for independent news to spread. And as
both of us have, you know, worked in the independent
journalism minds nothing nothing spreads on Twitter anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No, as long if it's news, it doesn't. The only
thing that spreads is Yeah, like the shit that makes
people very angry but keeps them on the site, like articles, videos,
If it takes you off site, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
See. Yeah, the things that go viral and get spread
is like encouraging racial bias, yes, s pogrooms essentially.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, which is what happened last year in the UK,
and they're sure trying to do it again.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I mean, I I think some of someone's some of
what she's referencing is, you know, there's a lot of
like throttling attentionally of you know people on maybe our proclivities,
and there is a degree of boosting for more you know,
centrist or right wing journalists. And maybe that's that's some
of some of what they could be kind of more
more referring to there, But you know it was it
was a short keynote, only thirty minutes. Just the two
(09:33):
things that got applause are doge.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well Linda doesn't know that many words, so they really
need to keep it under thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And literally Muslim rape gangs. Is you know this this
type of like like very very gross racial fear mongering,
and those are the things that like lit up the room.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, we all want there to be an after
where there's even the minimal degree of accountability that happened
after the Nazis. But like what I try to in
my darker moments is like, well that's another person who
like really made the argument of like what needs to
happen when this ends? Because it's just I want to
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hurt people. My business is enabling harm. I want to
get mobs in the street, beating migrants. Like that's Linda's business.
That's the business she has willfully attached herself to. And
we should all see that. It's very important to not
stop talking about it like what it is. These people
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are trying to cause racial violence, and they are trying
to cause gendered violence, and they are trying to cause
harm at scale to communities of people that they see
financial profit in damaging, well in other uplifting c es ues,
cool stuff. I love the Consumer Electronics Show.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Actually, I think it might be time for an ad break.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Speaking of damaging communities of people, right, there's a chance, yeah, ads,
Oh well we're back. Boy, I'm so glad that those
ads told me that Fragaccio Blow is touring with Bono.
(11:19):
I never thought they'd do it, but boy howdy, and
they're singing each other's song, so you know, that's really exciting.
It's like when Barbara did Selene.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I don't know who Barbara or Selene is, but that's,
oh my god, that's cool. Robert Luckily, I do know
what SKA is. I consider myself a day of culture,
and for tonight, me and Robert attended this kind of
like side event at CEES called Showstoppers. And as you
walk around the CEES floor, there's a lot of frankly garbage.
(11:50):
There's a lot of just like mostly garbage stuff that
you or stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That like you're just not interested in because you're literally
buying like screens from a manufacturer in China. Like it's
like that which is not the business you're into, because
some of this stuff has meant for companies so.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Much floor space, Like there's like I we walked.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Twenty Town that I spent the first seven years of
my life in is smaller than one of the room CEU.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's across like three hotels and a massive convention center.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Ninety thousand people come into town for this thing.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It could be hard to like see everything you want to. Now,
what's colo about Showstoppers, this is the side event at
the Bellaggio is that basically it's a room full of
kind of all the coolest stuff, a whole bunch of
stuff that has one SEES innovation awards all packed into
one room with food and alcohol. So oh boy, did I.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Order free food and free alcohol?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So many drinks that I then just left on tables,
and it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Always pretty good food, pretty good food.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So we walked around show stoppers and there was a
number of pretty pretty cool stuff that we saw. Yeah,
but I think I think it's maybe time to talk
about the saddest, the saddest man.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
The villain, the villain, the villain of the episode and
of our this year's cees. I have trouble. Can you
bring up their name? Because I'm gonna want to get
this right, so we could be dangerous. But we had
neither of us had eaten and I had had like
a hot dog eight hours ago and walked literally nineteen
thousand steps and also done forty minutes of push ups
in between, so I was starving. So we we like
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shovel food into our faces and we turn the first
booth we see is called open Droid, Open Droid or
open droids droids. Yes, it did. There is an s
Open Droids and it's like kind of Star Wars. He
font it is and I did ask them if you
know they had any issues with Lucasfilm. Apparently not yet
sue them. Lucasfilm, by the way, sue these kids.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I know there's people who work for Lucasfilm who listened to.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
This crush them, burn them like Los Angeles is burning
down as we see.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They had a giant sign that said.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
R two D three.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that's the name of the robot that they're selling.
And the robot, the robot that they're selling is like
a an AI enabled hold helping slash like retail, you know,
like you know robot where it basically is like a
human torso with articulated arms and pincher hands on. And
then the base is like a little tank. Basically it's
(14:16):
got like treads or wheels and it rolls its wheels. Yeah,
and then the torso there's like a tall maybe six
foot tall like pillar built into this like rolling base
that the torso slides up and down on. And this
was their way of not making like what Musk is
trying to do, right, a humanoid robot where you have
to figure out like knees and balance and stuff. It's
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like no or like Boston Dynamics wheels, right, wheels are cheap.
It a roll It works in most situations, you know.
And then but you still have the ability for it
to articulate and go up higher or go down lower.
Like something that can crouch, but it's much simpler, you
don't have to deal with nearly as much. And so
I saw that, I'm like, oh, well, that's at least
somebody who's thinking about, like how do we make something
(14:57):
like this like more affordable and less complicated, les to
fuck up. And so I start talking with one of
the co founders of the company, who is an Indian
guy in his forties something around that he had like
gray hair, he'd clearly he said he'd spent twenty years
in robotics. Very nice guy, you know. I brought up
that I thought the design was interesting, and he was
(15:18):
very much specifying, like, here's the things we didn't do
because they were too difficult, too inefficient. You know, this
is what we're thinking of. This is a machine that
can fold laundry. This is a machine that can do dishes.
This is a machine. And he was very much specifying
and the way he phrases like, these are undesirable tasks
people don't want to do, and this is a robot
that can handle those for like small businesses or for households.
(15:40):
And we do see this as eventually like a you know,
something like this we want to have in households, but
he was more focused on small businesses, and he was
again very focused on this is a thing that will
do undesirable tasks for people, right, And as I started
asking more questions, at a certain point, I got foisted
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off to the co founder of the company.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Is it the co founder or is it just like
another one of their rests.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You know, I'm assuming co founder because I think it's
just a couple of guys, but maybe I'm not about Sorry,
I got foisted over to the other of the two guys.
There were two guys there, right, I'm not sure because
they don't have listed any where what their role in
the company is. I got a co founder's vibe from them.
That's how it seemed to be to me, at least
in terms of like the way these two were talking.
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But I don't know the scope of the open Droid's company.
Maybe there's a lot more there, but these were the
two guys who were they're talking to us. So one
of them is this very wonky engineer who's been at
this a long time and was really focused on the
nuts and bolts details and wanted to build a robot
that could handle unpleasant tasks for human beings, right, the
same thing we've all been wanting to see. So at
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this point I'm like, this could work. Maybe this is
a viable product. Right. The second guy, Jack j Jessenowski,
So he is wearing what Gryson described as a Jordan
Peterson suit because it is half purple. Is a face
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suit split down the motherfucking middle.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
With like like new age hippie like necklaces, five necklacesla
five necklaces. He had pants with like like embroidered flowers
on those.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And like a nose bridge, like it looked like one
of those things you put in your nose.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
That was one of the other things at showstoppers. There
was a company that was doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So yeah, he had want to be Steve Jobs vibes
from his half unbuttoned shirt and like many many spiritual
medallions to his like Jordan Peterson's suit, and very much
just that. Like I am the charismatic founder and what
I bring to the table. My partner knows how to
build robots. I'm charismatic. I'm Jack j Jessanowski, and Jack
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and I started talking, and boy howdy, we had us
a conversation and I think we're just gonna play that.
What do I need to do to set this up?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
No, I think you've set it up. We walk up
to Jack, I start, I start recording, and we start
talking about the robot, and then things spin in some
pretty interesting directions.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, all right, So what is this thing useful for?
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Well, generally capable, just like a human can reach to
the floor and reach up high to a cupboard, go
up and down.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
That's what we made this for.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Obviously in a little bit of a different fashion because
most surfaces are level.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
And the biggest market that we're going after is households.
Domestic dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house,
eventually cooking. That's more fine tuned, you know, dishes and
laundry is really that first task that is.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Gonna be fully autonomous.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Obviously from a folding standpoint and cooking standpoint, you can
do tele operation today, so can use cheaper labor internationally
through a robot, but full autonomous is coming very quickly,
like Jensen talked about recently.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
So I see there's a lot of folks in the
robot space that are trying robots based on the human form, right,
you guys have not gone that route.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Talk to me about that droid form.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Yes, Well, as we know, robots didn't evolve from monkeys,
and so we have an ability to reimagine them. All
of the existing hardware we use in the world has
wheels for a reason. It just works better. It's easier,
there's less friction. That means there's less maintenance. That means
there's less energy output. It's efficiency. It's also easier for
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us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think
long term, do robots all have legs?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, more or less.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
The home robot does turn into the leg robot because
then it can with you in the car everything.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
But I think the early.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Stages the wheels, because of their cheaperness, because of their reliability.
I think that will be what wins early stage. That's
where we started here.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Because the robot can go in the car with you.
What do you see people wanting to have a robot
in the car with them for?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I think it will just become basically the same way.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
If you have enough money, a lot of people afford
like an assistant to come with them places.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
It's because that seems like a niche market compared to household.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think it's the barrier.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I think is because of the the cost and then
the humanness.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Like then you have to care for another human.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
And whereas in this case it's kind of all positive sum.
And yeah, I guess it's wrong to try to say
majority of people.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
But anyone who's you know in media, you.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Know they videographer will be something you use a robot
for to follow you around and take media and film
for you.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
They won't get.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Tired and say, go grab me a drink or you know,
go figure that thing out.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
But it also can't decide, oh, that's actually not a
good location to film from.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's not going to look as good.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
We need to get over here, or we need another
camera on this side here, we need to get like
different angles because we're going to want to edit this
together into a thing. And as a videographer, I'm not
just a machine. I'm a part of a collaborative creative enterprise.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I think we're starting to see just how artistic these
ais can be.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
What's the best example of that using.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Well, I think the most used thing is this the
Jenai art And then you have some of the new
video models are pretty cool and they're using certain sort
of zoom in shots everything. I think they'll make just
as good of movies as humans. Oh, I think the
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best reference in order to actually say that that's possible
is music. I don't know if you've played with the
most recent AI music. There's song GBT dot com.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
I've heard some things people call music that are produced
by that.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, we can make.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
One live right now that.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I don't know if you've heard like the latest models,
pick me a genre.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Irish spiritualist Scott. If you try Scott too, you.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Love SKA is like definitely probably niche stuff is where
it's gonna have a harder time, But sk s KA.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
I wonder how much SKA data there is out there.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
There's a lot of SKA music out there.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
What should we make it about? Should we make it
about iHeart radio?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (22:57):
iHeartRadio and communication and clear channel communications? All right, it's
here a scaw song. We're like, oh, it has to
load for like thirty seconds.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
It feels weirdly like I'm upset that I have to
wait that long for something to load online.
Speaker 9 (23:16):
It feels to you, huh, yeah, I guys what they're
playing with it a lot, But It's funny to think
about how much time and effort it does take to
like produce a song typically I am twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, that's interesting, wouldn't I guess that?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
What?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Uh is it?
Speaker 7 (23:35):
One thing that's really compelling to me is your partner.
When I came in here was very very much talking
about the utility of this in terms of replacing human
beings and tasks that are generally unpleasant laundry, doing the dishes,
cleaning up trash. You seem a lot more bullish on
robots replacing human beings and what are generally considered to
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be enterprises people want to do.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
With their time.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Is that like a discrepancy that that you guys have
kind of talked about or do you think it's something
you guys are more on the same page with stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
From a business standpoint, we're one hundred percent going after
the dishes, laundry, uh, nursing practice of.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Just doing vitals, which is the very repetitive task. That's
the push. I was starting to just talk into.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
The aspect of the legged robots and kind of imagining
why a legged version would have better utility or be
something someone wants to purchase. Scared rather than the wheeled
robot an yow stairs is definitely a.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Big one of those.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
There are wheel types we're working on right now, would
have ability to climb like single stairs obviously easiest, and
that's what most people have in their home if they
do have stairs.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh, are we gonna listen to some robots?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Scott my heart listeners system.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Stop? Crazy's a scarf.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's a pretty basic melody.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I mean, there's horns in it, but I feel like
it's kind of takes in a I think it Helia
is trying to do pot that it's just thrown some
horns in on. This is a little closer to SCA,
although it's still Yeah, it's not really singing, but I
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guess that's a matter of pace.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
What do you listen to?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
This is the worst that's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I hear that a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's interesting because GPT four took fifty times as much
power as GPT three to train, and there's a lot
of mixed reactions on that. And we're entering into a
period where we're very likely looking at a recession venture
capital funding.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
There's a chance it's not going to be what it
has been.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Is that concern you at all that, like this vaunted
next level for all of this stuff, the energy cost,
the investment cost is just not going to be borne
by a market that is not going to be as
strong tomorrow as it was today.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
At least in the immediator.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
I think even if we created no more energy as
a human species today, the amount of advanced once we
create would from an architectural standpoint, continue to advance.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
So you have other models.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Like I think LAMA three point three, which has matched
four oh's capabilities and is I forget how many parameters,
but like super like much much much smaller and was
much cheaper to train, and like we're continuing to see
like smaller models that are just as effective and we're
much cheaper training runs. I think Deep Seek was one
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of the newest ones.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
What I'm what I'm concerned about is I'm looking at
the p and L right, I'm looking at open AI's PNL.
I'm looking at the fact that they're losing five or
six billion dollars last year and we're very good chance
it's going to.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Be somewhere in the neighborhood to double that this year.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
And I'm it's not that there's nothing impressive there it's
not that I don't see like, oh, you can generate
a song that's got like guitar and and and trumpets
and vocals and stuff and you know a minute or so.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It's not that that's not.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Impressive, but like a pilier trick, isn't a trillion dollar business,
And that's the kind of investment they're looking at. And
I do wonder like, is it not much more reasonable
to focus on folding laundry?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Well, obviously, I personally am in the the boathouse of
focusing on allowing this intelligence to flourish and doing these
laborious tasks and getting them in the households. I do
think from opening eye standpoint, and the reason why vcs
and private investors will value them so highly is what's
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next is white collar work.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
A lot of the jobs online. That's what they do.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Have an internal model which is able to control the computer,
you know, the same way you would ask an executive
assistant to do certain things online.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Now it's just.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Jobey's handing along all of their emails now through AI,
which is you know, we'll see how.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well that works on the long term.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
There's been some interesting pulling on like the degree to
which customers and investors feel trust when somebody's responding to
them with an AI. But what's interesting, I mean more
here is the dichotomy between what I see here is
a very pragmatic choice, which is, we're not going to
try and remake a human being formed robot and.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Deal with like knees and hips and all of that stuff.
We don't need that.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
We can have its turn up and down on this
platform and reach things the same way. Melded to what
I consider to be kind of a little more pie
in the sky. We're doing this as eventually something that
can take creative roles and think independently and make things,
which is it's interesting to me to see that in
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a company's DNA of what you guys are eight months
out right now, yep, is that what you're more interested in?
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I'd say, I tailor my pitch to the person I'm
talking to.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Uh huh.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
So some people definitely enjoy thinking about more of the
sci fi futures that are coming, for example, the droids
building Droid's moment. It's when you know you are decreasing
your own manufacturing costs by using your own hardware to
build more of that hardware and parts are just being
shipped into the factory.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Obviously.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I think the first fully automated phone factory just came
out in China recently, which is like some cool press
in news, but the phone is separate from the actual
manufacturing process.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, so there's that like interesting component.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
The exciting part of the idea that how do we
reach true abundance as a species of material and resources
is well, because GDP is a calculation of capita times productivity,
a robot really represents capita one in it of creation.
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And I'd say that's where the sci fi thinking comes
into play, and it's it's not not worth going there
when just dreaming about the future robotics and talking about
it and having an interesting, engaging conversation, But definitely when
it comes to what are we doing from an engineering
standpoint on the day to day and how are we
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trying to approach the market, those conversations are not at
being had.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, I appreciate your time and you gave me a lot.
I'm gonna let you get to the other peak. Thank you,
Thank you so much to meet you.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Jack.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh wow, that's super interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I hope you all liked Jack Jay as much as
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Getting to twenty seventy years old and not knowing what.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Scott is that old. I thought he was much younger,
like you thought he was like twenty two.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yes, but the fact that he like he didn't know
what SKA was as a genre, he wasn't was unaware
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't think he listens to music.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, he listens to AI generated hess.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
To AI generated music, he's just as good.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
He has the most, he's the most. I listen to
AI generated music vines. If anyone I've ever seen before,
just very.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Clearly does not have a soul. No, like like nothing,
nothing would leave the universe.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If he did, right, Like it's so opposite from the
first guy you talked to, who was it so like about? No,
I want to have smart, actual tasks that people don't enjoy. Yeah,
I love cinematography. I love I love filmmaking. I don't
First of all, I don't think a robot can can
replace this.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I watched five different AI generated movies yesterday, and they
all looked like shit, even like.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
A robot handling a physical camera to make like to
make like choices on like shot framing and composition, and.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like it's one thing to be like, we want we
have a race cargoing, and so we've got this robot
on a track so we can go seventy miles an
hour and we're just kind of running on a street.
Follow it because a human being can move that. That's sure.
One thing we've left out of this up so far.
So this this machine that I described earlier, this robot
that goes up and down this rolling base has a
floppy Donald Trump mask over the over its head.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Which first attracted us to this.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, that's why we showed up there in the.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
A robot moving its arms around wearing a Donald Trump mask.
And as Robert was interviewing this guy, the robot was
like moving around and like trying to simulate its washing
dishes capability, and it knocked over the same water bottle
about five times. It couldn't it couldn't pick it up consistently,
So I will not trust it with my fine china.
I'll say that.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
As soon as I got up there, I asked, like,
I couldn't take my jacket off, now can it fold?
And He's like, well, we'd have to reprogram it. And
it was this when I talked to the guy, I
was like because he was like, yeah, we really see
this as being, you know, potentially good for elder care. Sure,
and you know, we had just seen the product we
talked about in the last episode, which, for all of
it's I don't know that I think it'll work. Was
(33:48):
a lot of thought and care went into it. I
was like, okay, so, like, what work have you done
to build a machine that can like communicate and be
helpful to like people who are dealing with health issues
in their their later years. And like, well that's why
it's open right, someone else will Yeah, it's open sources.
Someone else can do it.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Part.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
See, you guys are just you guys are just saying
it can do everything because somebody could potentially code something
for it.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah cool, there always could be code.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, there could be code. I mean again, the other guy,
the actual engineer, seemed very interested in the nuts and
bolts of making an affordable, reproducible machine that could handle
specific tasks, and Jack Jay had absolutely no interest in
the actual machine that they were making. This is clearly
(34:32):
could not be clear. This is just a stepping stone,
and he's kind of grossed out by it because it's
not replacing all human art with a machine that he owns.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
He's a man completely fueled by Lex Friedman podcasts, and
he doesn't want to actually do any real work. He
just wants to talk about how AI is going to
take over everything and we have to welcome it in
and here listen to this is SKA.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
He wants to take money by owning something that does
not provide anything and also put people out of work. Like,
at no point did he express a desire to do
anything other than replace something people were already doing with
something worse that tech guys could profit from. That's all
(35:15):
there is to this man. He's not a human.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It's so anti human.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I cannot overemphasize the degree to which there was
nothing behind this boy's eyes.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, do you know what, there's also nothing super intelligent behind.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's not true. All of our ads are sponsored by
real people, even if they're bad people, they're at least people.
They live and they love and they hate and you know,
maybe they have a promo code.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
Let's see, all right, So after our lovely, Our Lovely Robotic.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Jack j Jessanowski Adventure, Oh god, Also the SKA was
Shiit not good? Not good? It did? It just kept
saying the words Scott.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
He kept saying the word Scott music and saying the
word Robert Robert Scott, well, just doing random noises. After
we had our fill of that, we did walk around
the rest of Showstoppers.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
He was so surprised that I wasn't. I wasn't impressed
by any of the He was like, you must have
heard the lady, man, I hear them.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's like it's like I made this comparison a few times.
If somebody like walked in while I'm at a house
party was like, hey, man, I taught my dog to
masturbate to pornography with its with its pause. I would
be like, well, I mean that's like, I guess impressed.
I didn't think a dog could do that. Like I
am kind of impressed, I guess, But I don't want
(36:54):
this like this, this doesn't do anything for me. It's
you figured this out?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
What what value does this?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
How does the dog know who Farah Fawce it is?
I have questions, sure, but it doesn't give me anything
like no Farah Fauce it was Garrison.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, goddamn, what do you think I do?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I don't know anymore?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, what I did is walk around the rest of showstoppers.
I saw this one booth that had like a like
an iPhone case with like a little like keyboard on
the bottom that like plugs in, and I started messing
around with it, and the guy that booth walked up
to me and made fun of me because he's like,
you've never you've never held a phone with He literally said, like,
(37:41):
you've never had a BlackBerry before, have you? Like no, Like, yeah,
you're typing all wrong.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
On that.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
There was a solid nine day news cycle when Barack Obama,
newly the president, revealed that he had a BlackBerry.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I remember that, which sounds like a lifetime There was a.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Company called r im once and they made a tablet
that was pretty good and we only made a couple
of rim job jokes about it, but it didn't do
very well, and so I gave it to my dad
and accidentally there was still a picture of my dick
on it. Anyway, that's a story for another day.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
These are the kind of things you get recording at
eleven fifty six pm.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And wet Tuesday, gott to get to bed, but no,
he made fun of me for not knowing how to
use a smartphone keyboard.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
He did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I don't need to use that because I have a
keyboard on my phone built in already. It's much faster.
So anyway, we stopped it at this company that makes
well now just makes the software to use in conjunction
with the augmented reality glasses and any like high powered laptop,
specifically the laptops that have like built in like you know,
like co pilots, because they require like higher processing power,
(38:54):
they have an NPU or something like that, like a
like an ampro processing unit is what they're calling AI
dedicated GPU thing. Effectively, it allows you to hook up
these glasses and run you know, possibly infinite amount of
monitors using AR. And we talked about this company last
year because we saw them a show stoppers.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You put on the glasses and it's like you've got
six monitors or whatever that are all full size, and.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
It's actually really easy to use.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It works very well, seamlessly, it's nice.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's it's it's good quality, easy to use, you can
move the monitors around.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It's an excellent, excellent game.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
We talked to them last year and the main thing
that was holding this like holding us back on it
is that you needed to use their own proprietary lab.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
It was their own laptop, and it wasn't a great one.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
It was just like a Linux laptop. It didn't have
everything like I want out of my own personal laptop.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And we were still impressed with it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Then it was still it was so good. Yeah, and
now you can just use any high power laptop with
it essentially. So it's lovely to see that improved. We
saw this lovely like like very small foldable projector.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Oh yeah, that was cool. What's the company? That company name,
because we should be we should be giving out the name.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yes, the ar glasses and the software system is called
spacetop very good by a company called Sightful. It works
works great. But yeah, this this little folding folding projector
currently has a kickstarter. The company is called aura Zen yeah,
or as Zen specifically, it was the zip trifled projector.
(40:20):
Right now. It's it's a seven to twenty p very
small foldable projector. It has a whole it has like
like an auto focusing auto keystone. They're working to get
it up to ten DP, but they're running a kickstarter
right now to ship in about three months. Super good
quality stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
If you're a gadget rishina, Like it felt like a
quality piece of electronics in my hands, Like the way
it like snapped when it closed just felt good. I'm
I think I'm gonna buy one like it's it's exactly
what I want for traveling, which is the ability to
it goes up to like eighty inches of screen and
like very good resolution. The ability to just have that
plugged in to a battery or the wall and my
(40:58):
laptop and like wherever I happen to be, I've got
a movie screen that I don't have to worry about
the fucking hooking up a TV to my laptop or
some shit.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
It doesn't need Wi Fi to work. It just can
cast from from your phone.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
A u r ze and zip trifle projector Aura zen yep, yep.
I think they're selling them for two fifty right now.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's for the for the Kickstarter.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
For the kickstart, it will go up a little one.
That's a product. But we saw it. It works. They
had a lot of they had tracking and stuff so
it like automatically would focus on ship.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Auto focuses and at like it scales correctly forwards, projecting
it automatically like adjusts like the tilt of it so
that it you know.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, obviously this isn't the full review because we don't
own one, but form everything we could tell by looking
at it. In the moment we tried it out, I
hooked up my phone to it.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
As I went to my phone screen, I realized I
have a slightly I would say, artful flute image of
an angel. I quickly swiped away from.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
We shouldn't show your dick to your damn my home.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Screen of my phone. You know they're gonna worse.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Things always be worse. But I think where will end is?
And this actually is not entirely in order, because this
is the next after we had that conversation with our
friend Jack Jay, which just left me thinking about, like,
some people aren't really people, right, That's what I kind
the sole thing is.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
It is a sham. It's all. It's all for rooms.
It's soulless.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
We immediately walk over and we just kind of like
randomly turn a corner and there's like a human shin
like tibia amphibia basically with like a carbon fiber you know,
frame around it that's roughly the shape of like a
person's lower leg, lower leg, and it's called bio leg.
It's a powered microprocessor knee made in Japan, where it
(42:44):
is a prosthetic, but unlike most prosthetics, it is powered
and has a muscle built into it, so like when
you lift up your prosthetic, it doesn't hang and it
doesn't lock. It actually has a degree of motion and
it feels like what lifts the rest of the leg
what you're remaining muscles like it measures based on like
it can like take measurements from them and it can
act intelligently based on that. And I know that it
(43:07):
works because the inventor was there and he was a
man who was missing his leg below the knee and
had built this for himself.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
You spent like ten years working on this, Yeah, eight years,
he said.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Eight years. And that's like really the thing that is
like so both like addictive and also like this like
very tonal whipless. You get at ces as you will
go from like this dead eyed con man trying to
scam the world so he can do god knows what
kinds of other harms with absolutely nothing, nothing inside him
at all, And then I lost my leg and I
(43:39):
built a better prosthetic to help the entire world, and
that's like thirty seconds between those two experiences.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
And like that's that's like the dark magic of cees.
Like I don't like, I'm not like anti tech, like
I think there. I think technology can really improve people's
lives if used well. And sometimes I get kind of
black pilled walking around. See yes, but then we'll stumble
across this, like you know someone who like literally lost
a leg and made themselves their own better leg.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Eight years figuring out how to do this. Yeah, is
winning award.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
It's like award winning, like tech innovation.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It's changing your as a person who has lost your
lower le, like changing being able to like have a
normal gait and balance again, like massive potential to improve
people's lives as a result of this.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, just steps away from Ai ska Ai and Donald
trump Man Lafle.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
The company is again Bionic IM and it's the bio Leg.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Biolag is the product.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, the Bioleague is the product by Bionic M.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I'm going to try to check it out more tomorrow
at Eureka Park, which at this point you know that'll
be like maybe future episodes come next week. But I
guess this closes our actual like like we coadge.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Let's go get fucked up and eat Japanese food.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Oh, I'm here, I'm down, Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
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