September 12, 2024 • 45 mins
Robert, Garrison, and Sophie react to the first debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Ah, what's not doing great my democracy? Although better than
a couple of months ago. Maybe if we're comparing this
debate to the last debate, I think the short answer
everyone we'll agree with is better debate.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
My god.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Robert Evans with me tonight for you know. A
quick reaction to everything that went on in case you
don't want to sit through it yourself is Garrison Davis
and Sophie Lickdermann.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, this was like a real debate. We haven't had
one of these in a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, no, maybe never. I can't actually think of a
time in my life. It's certainly not in my adult
life where we have had one. I don't know, you
know what. Maybe I'm not remembering the Romney one well enough,
but certainly it's been a long time since we've got
This was really was about the issues to a significant extent,
not all of the issues I would have picked to
talk about, but there was a lot of discussion of
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issues and policy and.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Like actual moderating and actual moderating yes, live fact checks,
which I've never seen to this extent at any yeah,
at any presidential debate. Ever. It was almost shocking to
see the moderators actually do their job.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That was the highlight of the night for me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, and if you didn't catch the debate, it was
hosted by Disney's ABC and the moderators were Lindsay Davis
and David Muir, and yeah, both of them each did
a very decent job, I believe, with live fact checking.
When Trump said some of yes, very out of pocket,
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unhinged comments.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
They deferred to him a couple of times when he
would demand to be allowed to speak. That I wasn't
thrilled with, but yeah, it was kind of it was
made up for you know. One of the things going
on on the right wing media the last couple of
days has been this claim that Haitian immigrants to the
United States are eating people's pets. We'll probably do an
episode on this, it's worth covering, like it all it's
all lies. It's like evil, racist lies. But brought it
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up in detail during the debate and got pressed pretty
effectively by David who essentially what I'm saying, like, well,
that's just not true. Like we've talked to the city manager,
there's no reports of anyone's pet speed.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, you've just made this up. And Trump said it
was true because he saw it on TV.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
He said it twice. But like, you know, I just
want to like for like a Reuter's fact check, like
this started from a Facebook post and then determined that
it was There was no evidence to this claim, and
that didn't stop the likes of jd Vance and other
horrible individuals spreading it on the internet and Donald Trump
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announcing it to be true multiple times during the biggest
presidential debate of our lifetime.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
As they kept saying, it seems every debate is the
most historic debate that's ever happened.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, I'm going to say this one wasn't. Sorry, the
last one definitely was because one of the guys who
was in it is no longer running for presidents.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's fair. That one was a little historic.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, do we want to get into a little bit
of the pre show at all?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Or sure? We could talk about the pre show first? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Why not? Why don't you start there, Sophie.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
During the pre show, Fox News was talking about how
the Trump campaign says that he will only go low
on the issues and he did not. They also had
a guy who is on TV way too much Byron Donald,
where he said that Kamala, we know Biden is not
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running the country your VP. Now, basically what they kind
of just did the same sad talking points, and then
CNN did, I mean, this is not that interesting, to
be honest, like CNN talked about how important this was,
and Chris Wallace specifically said that Trump's biggest strength is
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he doesn't talk like a politician. I don't think that
helped him tonight, to be honest, not tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, you know, to be honest, here's what I would
say that was true of why he won. That played
a major role in winning. But he talks like a
politician now because politics has reordered itself around trump Ism,
particularly on the right. But even Harris and Walls are
a little trumpier than certainly any Democratic politician was before
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the selection.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Right, and the most interesting thing that was said in
both of these things to be which will bring us
to the start of the debate. CNN was heavily focused
on the fact that President Trump is almost a foot
taller than Vice President Harris and asking if he will
take advantage of that. He wouldn't even meet her across
the stage to shake her hand. She walked all the
way over to him. I genuinely think he did not
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want to shake her hand.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
No, he didn't, And I thought that was Again, this
all seems like very petty stuff to talk about, but
this is the pettiest man alive, and like this stuff
actually does matter, And I think it was a pretty
intelligent strategic move. I think it started off the night
with him off ballance. She immediately put him off balance
and pissed him off, and that he didn't really recover.
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He had some moments. He certainly was not weak everywhere.
I think he was lie Like his economy. Everything he
says about like tariffs is like it's a nonsense policy
that would devastate like large chunks of this country. But
I think his messaging was pretty effective there. It probably
is going to work for a lot of moderates. I
thought his messaging on Afghanistan was really effective. I think
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he probably won that segment of the debate just in
terms of what's going to play better.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Those are the two definitely right.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But you know, he didn't lose every clash they had.
He never got momentum, and he was never able to
build momentum. Even when he had a win. He was
never able to tie that into a greater pattern like
he was with Biden. He was never able to get
any kind of weight behind him. He just kind of
was wobbling.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
The whole night, which I think at this scale is
the first we've seen from him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It was definitely Kamala going in hard for the handshake
at the very very start of the debate was her
equivalent of Trump following around Hillary Clinton on that debate stage.
It threw him off balance. He wasn't expecting it. It
immediately kind of gave her the upper hand literally wow
and controlling where the conversation was going to go. Like
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Trump refused to look at Kamala throw the entire debate.
He only looked straight ahead. Kamala was often addressing Trump
directly looking at him and then also turning towards the cameras.
Trump was just straight faced the entire time. He never
he never looked at her or acknowledged her like visually.
It was kind of odd to see. And throughout the
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debate he just kept getting really angry and almost like childish.
Harris maintained her ability to present herself as like the
more hopeful candidate and by and large like led the debate.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, he kept having to like follow her. He just
came off as like an angry child. Now she did
not answer some of the questions, but like her policy shifts,
but she was able to deflect those questions and Trump
to go off topic to talking about like crowd sizes
and rumors about eating dogs. Trump wasn't able to actually
talk about what his plans for the country were. Harris
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just kept him like complaining about weird nonsense, going off
on tagents, and always going back to talking about immigrants.
He just couldn't control the conversation at all.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, and the crowd size stuff, like, he was very
clearly like on the verge of kind of losing it there,
which was interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
CNN claimed during their post show that that moment was
when he never recovered after the crowd size stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, I think that's probably accurate.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Fair, Yeah, that's a fair analysis from CNN.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I would say that he didn't he never recovered from
the opening handshake, like, but that's when it was kind
of undeniable, the crowd sized thing, like, because he kept
trying to get back on the rails and I think
he gave up. And the clearest example of that was
his closing statements which I know we're kind of jumping
around here, but Kamala's closing statements were the kind of
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closing statements you give if you are trying to become
the president, and Trump's you can contrast it to the
way he was talking during his big RNC speech, which
was certainly much too long but was clearly intentional for
the most part, was a better speech. Yeah, it's like
there was some ad libbing there. He did some, but
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this was clearly not written down ahead of time. It
did not sound like that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It made no sense.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, it was nonsense.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Kamala's ending statement was talking about how this is a
fight for two different versions of what this country will
look like, you know, a very politiciany speech. Trump didn't
talk about himself at all. He just was complaining that
if Kamala Harris has so many great ideas for the country,
why hasn't she enacted them? And the answer is because
she's not the president. Yes, But he did not talk
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about his own version of the country. He was just
complaining about how much he didn't like Kamala Harris and
that Kamala Harris is promising to do great things even
though that she's not like doing them right now as
vice president, And that was his messaging, at.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Least in the pre show that I watched, and in
a lot of like the punditry I read before this,
the thing that kept getting reinforced was that this has
to be a debate about the issues. The Americans that
are still undecided want to hear what people's plans are
for the country. Now. Do I believe that's the case.
I'm not necessarily the most optimistic about how seriously Americans
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take political policy. But if that is the case, Trump
blew his chance to talk about what he wants to
do as president because he number one, was extremely defensive.
He spent more time denying things that he didn't wasn't
going to do, like it. She got him very good
on twenty twenty five. That has proven to be an
extremely effective line of attack, and he was really he
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had to not just deny that he planned to like
in state Project twenty twenty five as president, but like
he had to repeatedly claim I've never read it, Like,
I don't know what's in it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't want to read it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I have nothing to do with Project twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Five, in a way that sounded almost panicked. Yeah, right,
like where he really I'm kind of surprised they didn't
give him a better response on that that they didn't
really drill that down, and I wonder if they did.
And he just was so flustered and pissed that he
didn't do it. But he certainly did not have an
effective response to that one. And when he kept repeatedly
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being asked to give his policy on how he would
like fix the Affordable Care Act or replace it, he
just punted.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
He just kept saying, it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's like, okay, yeah, it's terrible, but I can't do
anything about it, so I'm not going to repeal it,
but like, We've got to do better. Was it was
a really weak answer.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah. One thing I found interesting is that the last
debate was full of so many AD breaks and we
went full like a one hour, yeah, a full hour
before before ads and speaking of ads, oh wow, we
have gone a full thirteen minutes, and that means it's
time for us to take an AD break. All right,
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we are back.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah. Can I get to one thing first, because I
just came across this. It's about the Haitian immigrants. PBS
put up a documentary like literally a day or two
ago talking, yeah, one day ago talking about this, and
they interview a factory owner in Springfield, Ohio about what
he thinks of Haitian migration, and he's like, I wish
a lot more of them would come. They're the only
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people in town who don't do drugs and come to
work on time. I just thought that was a great,
great Springfield, Ohio representation. I hope that guy's happened A
good night.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Great quote there, Robert, Yeah, Garre, what do you want
to talk about next?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Now? In this middle section, just kind of want to
go over some of what they actually talked about during
the debate, a few of kind of the main topics.
They started with the economy. Kamala is talking about how
there's a shortage of homes. They're the cost of housing
is just too high, and she's going to have tax
cuts for families and warned about Trump's quote unquote sales
tax that would rise costs for households by nearly four
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thousand dollars a year. Now that this is in reference
to Trump's tariffs, which he then talked about next, they
know they're not sales tax, they're tariffs and that countries
will pay us back for all that we've done in
the world. It's insane, which will bainly mean that our
economy will do worse and things will be more expensive
for us.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I thought Kamala was pretty strong during that section in
terms of like her response. She directly mentioned Goldman Sachs,
which is something that's come out in the last couple
days from Reuters. It's that the Goldman Saxy's biggest boost
you as economy from a Harris when talking about US
economic growth would likely get the biggest boost in the
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coming two years from Democrats headed by Kamala Harris winning
the White House and Congress and November election, And she
specifically like called out to that, and her being actually
able to call out to something like that in a
debate was something we I haven't seen in a while
on a debate, And so that was something that I
particularly took note of.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, actually slight relevant authorities on issues.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, Yeah, she did a lot of that. She definitely
had her moments where she would avoid responses. I noted
she consistently refused to answer, are there limitations you think
should be in place on when people can get abortions?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, she just kind of did not answer that one. Now,
to be frank, I think that's a bullshit question, and
I think a redirection was pretty effective. Yeah, but as
a general rule, when she answered questions, she cited statistics
and like studies and did a pretty a pretty good job.
Now again, how well is that kind of matter? We're
still very early in the kind of pundit cycle here.
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It seems pretty clear that most of the mainstream media,
including Fox Like agrees Harris won the night. Polymarket predicts
a ninety seven percent chance that Harris is judged the
winner in the debate snappoles, which I found out from
Nate Silver's quick reaction, where he also notes, quote, bitcoin
prices are down, which also implies a loss for Trump.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
That's very funny.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I love that Bitcoin's a good political needle to see
where the country's going.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'll tell you the happiest assuming that we don't usher
in a new fascist or you know, a significantly worse
state in November. The best thing about it is going
to be not needing to pay attention to Nate Silver
for another four years.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But yeah, you know, he did make one other point
that I found kind of funny. Which was his argument that,
like well, Trump is a lot taller. The stature gap
in terms of physical size was also notable, especially with
Harris having a shorter podiumtimes you'll hear people say that
you should watch the debate with the sound off, and
by that measure it was much closer than with the
sound on.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Who says that name?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Has ever said that?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Who's gonna watch the debate with the sound off?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Stick to Poles man, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
These debates used to be audio only. They were a
radio broadcasts. That is that's how the tradition started.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That is so unwell of him to say what are you?
What are you doing? Why think that over head? And
don't put that on the internet.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
He is a good yes every second mate, Silver isn't
writing a blog post or looking at Poles he is
He is sitting in a shitty bar in like Fremont Street, Vegas,
playing like mid Steaks poker. So he probably does consume
a lot of television with the sound off.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But to go back to the economy, so as Kamla
was talking about her plans for like tax credits and
tax cuts helping people buy homes, Trump was just talking
about tariffs and immediately brought up that one of the
things that's affecting the economy is that there is there's
millions of people pouring in from prisons and a sane
asylums taking jobs from black and Hispanic and union workers.
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That these immigrants are taking over towns and buildings violently.
And it's just immediately that that's what that's what he
goes to because he has really just nothing else.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
He also said people can't buy bacon, cereal and eggs
cereal cereal. Of all the foods to choose cereal.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So yeah, tried to talk about like inflation and stuff.
It just it just didn't go very well, especially because
inflations rose so much during the pandemic when he was president.
It just didn't play very well at all. Immediately it
was clear that Kamala was kind of the front runner.
The next topic was abortion, which Kamala also did very well,
and Trump just really lost it because he couldn't stop
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talking about how Tim Walls wants to execute babies after birth,
and this just this was the main thing he talked about.
He was very defensive about his stance on a national
abortion ban. Moderators asked him about his contra victory abortion
statements about how he's voting for an abortion ban in
Florida but is claiming to not want one nationally, and
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Trump just didn't know how to talk about this topic
very well and just kept saying that Democrats are evil
because they want to do nine month abortions, seven month,
eight month abortions, post birth executions, they will execute the baby,
which was I believe this was like the first fact
check for the night. And this is what kind of
really scared Trump is. He was like, Oh, they're actually
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gonna call me on this stuff. Mariator said that there's
no states where you can kill babies after birth, and
Trump just didn't know what to do. Kamala brought up
Project to twenty twenty five and their plans for a
national abortion ban. Trump made a little funny comment, kind
of throwing JD. Vance under the bushments about Trump vetoing
a national abortion ban if it was passed by Congress.
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Trump said that he actually hadn't talked to Vance about that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I didn't discuss it with jam By the.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Way, I've been taking a break from Twitter, but I
did catch a good post recently JD. Vance Before the debate,
made a claim that a bunch of people from Springfield
who he won't name, have reached out to him talking
about Haitians eating their pets, and then ended it by
saying like it's possible this will prove to be untrue.
And someone just quote tweeted that and said, every day
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I see something that makes me understand why Vance's mom
traded him for a couple of perk thirties.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Incredible, But Kamala basically said most of her regular talking
points and abortion. She would like for the House in
the Senate to put abortion protections into law and she
would sign that bill and wants to restore the protections
of Roe v. Wade, and also talked about how it's
absurd to be talking about post birth executions and how
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this is like consulting.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yep, she's correct, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah. Next thing was the border, very similar to both
their RNC and their DNC speeches. Kamala talking about this
kind of very conservative border bill that Trump shot down
for political game, and then invited us to attend a
Trump rally where he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal
Lecter and how windmills caused cancer and that people leave early,
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and he never talks about you, the American people. So
this was obviously giant bait for Trump, which he he
took immediately. He just couldn't stop talking about people actually
come to my rallies way more than they go to
your rallies. They don't leave early. You have to bust
in people to your rallies.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And he claims she pays people to attend her rallies
as well.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
He got so flustered. Is that this is what he
started talking about the eating dogs thing. It's because he
got so flustered on this line of argument about his
crowd size that he just he just had to immediately
talk about how there's immigrants eating dogs. Yeah, because he
just didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, it's actually kind of just a very like
on the nose but perfect representation of how racism works
culturally a lot of the time, which is like white
man feels aggrieved and threatened and immediately turns to attacking
an entire group of people based on their race, like like,
it really was the most direct example of that that
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you could possibly get, Like, he felt vulnerable and so
he attacked a group of people for eating cats. He
did a blood libel.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think a big part of Kamalist strategy here was
to paint Trump as like an illegitimate figure in politics,
like someone who's not like responsible to like lead the military.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And it's dangerous. Yeah, she bragged.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
About the endorsement of two hundred Republicans, including Dick.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Cheney hated that moment, like, no, but you know, is
not great.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But we'll see if it plays politically well.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It might work.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, it doesn't play well for us, but yes, doesn't
mean it doesn't overall play well. Unfortunately, a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Of her statements seemed like she was trying to court
both the NATSEC people and the courts if there's ever
like a contested election, Like she wants those people to
be on her side, and there's a lot of common
throughout the debate that was kind of point to that
and like showing how Trump's just like an unreliable and
like dangerous figure to be in control of national security.
Trump went on this interesting tangent about how he was
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actually good because he fired a whole bunch of those
Republicans because they were because they were bad at their jobs.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I thought it was one of his more effective moments.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That was something we've never really seen done before, openly
attacking military leaders in that fashion.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I didn't read it as attacking military leaders. I read
it as him specifically stating because she was Harris had
been talking about the Republicans from the Bush White House
who had endorsed her, and I read it as Trump
saying I brought in a lot of like rhinos, what
he would call rhinos, but I brought in a lot
of like old Republican veterans and fired them because they
were bad at their job. And I thought that was
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one where I was like, well, yeah, they were, you know, like,
you're not wrong. You didn't replace them with anyone better,
but like they were. In fact, you did hire a
bunch of Republican officials who had a long history working
in other administrations who sucked at what they did, you know, like,
not wrong. Now, it's interesting to have him say I
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brought in a lot of people. Some of them were
good and some of them were bad. Yes, Yeah, I
don't think I've ever heard a former president admit that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
During a debate, he was like, we don't talk about
the good people, And it's like.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, why why don't you do that? Now? During your debate.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, here's your chance.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
JD. Vance great guy, great guy, great, great guy.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Trump, So Jdvan's great guy. Never met him, don't know
who he is. Who are you talking about? Never talked
to him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
One of the more interesting questions the moderator asked was
just directly asking Trump, how would you go about your
massive deportation program? How would you actually go about deporting
eleven million or more undocumented immigrants? And Trump did not
have a real answer to this question. Trump said that,
you know, there's actually way more of them here than
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what you would think South America is sending all their
criminals here.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was really interesting because he said, they say fifteen million,
it's really twenty one million. And then he said, and
it's a lot more than twenty one million.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Okay, how many is it?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Donald?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
The moderators challenged him on like rising crime rates, saying
that the FBI is actually, you know, showing that crime
is going down, and Trump then claimed that the FBI
crime rates are fraudular, are fraudulent, which is the first
time that you've seen, at least that I've seen him
talk about it that way. Like usually on Fox News
they will like mention that, but they'll be like, but
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people feel crime is going up, So that's what really matters.
Even if even if the FBI claims it's going down,
people still feel less safe. But he just openly said
that those numbers are just like fake, like the FBI
is just like lying saying that they aren't counting crimes
in like the biggest major cities. Kama's response to this
was saying that that's rich coming from a convicted criminal.
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So we got that first, like prosecutor girl boss moment.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Okay, hi've rise up.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Trump complained about all of like the legal witch hunts
he's been facing and said that, quote, I probably took
a bullet to the head because of the things they
say about me, unquote, which is just a fascinating way
to frame.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That unhinged thing to say.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It is, especially given how many Americans don't think he
was shot in the head.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You just know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
His advisors were like, what the fuck, Like, what are
you saying right now?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Fuck? Oh they are drinking tonight.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Oh they are drinking tonight. Yeah yeah, And that's not
even like the most unhinged thing he said, because the
most unhinged thing he said the entire night came shortly
after that, which was, she wants to do transgender operations
on illegal aliens in prison. Based she wants to do
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transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison. She wants to
do transgender operations illegal aliens in prison, and the leader
says she's a radical liberal.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I believe that a president can perform surgery if that
president wants to. Sophie and I support Kamala Harris's policy.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You should have voted for Ben Carson then.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I did I write him in every year?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, Jesus Christ, No you don't. There was a good
tweet that remark that it just sounds like he's talking
like he's playing cards against humanity. He's just like change,
He's just like changing out different words like transgender aliens,
prison surgery. I believe what he's referencing here is that
both Fox News and Trump's campaign team the past few
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days have been talking about how in twenty twenty, Kamala
made a statement basically saying that, yeah, we should like
offer gender affirming health care to people in prison, Like,
if you're in prison, we should not like deny health
care to you just because you're locked up. That's like
what he's talking about that is specifically what he's referring to,
but it just it sounds just absolutely leave that shit.
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Let's have another quick ad break. We will come back.
I want to talk a little bit about January sixth,
foreign policy, Israel, Palestine, and then some of Trump's and
Kamala's post debate statements made to the press. All Right,
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we are so bad, so bad.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's so bad, like the Harris campaign kind of kind
of She's been slowly kind of like flatlining in some
of these polls. I do want to talk about that
a little before we get into this, because it has
been interesting. She's been losing kind of national popular vote momentum,
and that has been narrowing. The swing states have not
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really narrowed in the same way, which is not to
say that she is a clear favorite. Everything basically is
within the margin of error.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
She's barely ahead, but she's still ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It has been a really interesting change. It has not
been the same. There's a newsletter I check on occasionally
for stuff like this at germntum that made what I
thought was an interesting point, which was that it's possible
that a lot of that has to do with the
fact that the national popular vote has been narrowing as
a result of the ads the Republicans have been pumping
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out because there wasn't a real strong consensus about who
Harris was, and now that's growing. But in a lot
of these swing states, which are red states, people have
been living under Republicans and are just a lot less
kind of vulnerable to being drawn away by that kind
of propaganda because they know what it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
No, I mean, especially if you're looking at North Carolina,
You're looking at Georgia. Those are two battlegrounds that the
Harris campaign is targeting. I can definitely see that being
being an aspect. So the mods turned the questions towards
January sixth. Trump immediately claimed that nobody on the other
side was killed, only Ash the bad that was killed
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by a bad police officer.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Very ironic, but easily the only Coppall go to bat
for the best shoot in twenty twenty one by a mile.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And he then complained that why haven't BLM rioters been
prosecuted in Seattle and Minneapolis, which of course they have.
They are still They're still arresting people.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Man, I've spent time in courtrooms with people like yes.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I was shocked he did not call out Portland.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It is interesting that he went for Seattle and not Portland.
I guess maybe just says a lot about his media
diet that he just maybe got a lot more Chazz
stuff than he did Portland stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't know. He certainly did go after a commal
a few times for being pro defund the police back
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He really, he tried several times. He clearly she never
took the bait. Yeah, she never took the bait. And
that must have been one that his advisors really pushed
him on. Yeah, like they must have said, you'll get
her on this.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It was both that and her previous like fracking policies,
which she has like backtracked on, And you have to
if you want to win Pennsylvania. So like, I understand
why they're doing it. It sucks because the planet's burning,
but right now they're trying to win Pennsylvania. The debate
was in Pennsylvania. Like, that's why she has backtracked on
those policies. I think it's smart to deflect from that
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at least right now. But yeah, I mean that's that's
not surprising to me. Now. I think Kamala did a
pretty good statement about January sixth. She said, I was
at the Capitol on j six He incited a violent mob.
And now she got kind of emotional. She said one
hundred and forty officers were injured and some died. Trump
was impeached, which is something that just hasn't been talked
about very much. Is like, yeah, Trump has been impeached.
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Why isn't that talked about very much?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Because so many other things have happened, then everyone has forgotten, Yeah,
that he was liter really impeach.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, multiple times. And then she pointed to January sixth
as like not the only incident. No, she pointed back
to Charlottesville, talked about Trump's statements about Proud Boys and
how the Proud Boy militia was told to stand back
and stand by, and she kind of closed this little
January sixth monologue by saying, like, we don't have to
go back to this. He says that if the election
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doesn't go to his liking, there will be a blood bath.
We don't have to go back, And she's positioning herself
as like as an alternative towards like that type of chaos.
Trump got very mad at this very mad Trump talking
about how Fox News debugged the Charlottesville quote. Yeah, I'm sure,
I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure. I know one other like
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fact checker I think with Snopes is like, actually, the
Charlottesville quote is different in context, and at least a
whole bunch of fact checkers that, like I know and
extremism reporters have kind of gotten on snopesas for this,
because it's very clear, it's a very disingenuous way of
framing what he was trying to say. Yeah, we all
know what happened on Charlottesville. We all know what he
was talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, Cataboo is a really good video on it if
you want to watch more.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, yes she does.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
And then the moderators talked about how Trump has been
falsely claiming for for three and a half years that
he won the twenty twenty election, but now says that
he lost by a whisker, and Trump was startled by this.
He's like, did I actually say that?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I said that?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I said that. No, no, no, no, no. That was sarcastic,
and it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Was like the only time I've ever heard him he
sounded genuinely like confused, like maybe there was a little
old man. But we're like, oh shit, what have I
been saying.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
He's like, no, no, no, that was a sarcastic statement.
I still think I won the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, and he really And that was one of the
more effective moderator moments because you could see the moderator
was like, oh, what a gift I've been given. I
just want to make very clear. Let's have him say,
Let's have him confirm what he means, like three times
and then we could move on.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Kabla had a good reply talking about how like we
can't have a candidate who's confused about how the elections
work and being like like she is correct, Yeah, come on,
great respond and then Trump immediately went on to defend
Victor Horbon, Yes, the president of Hungary sage. Some people
call him a strong man because he's a really tough guy.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Was the strong man thing.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That was my favorite part because he clearly misunderstood, no,
strong man is a term for dictation.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yes, yeah, he just.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That was quite a moment for this country.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It was just the fumbling and bumbling.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I love it, you know what. Overall, good time, except
for one thing that really sucked, which is several things
that really sucked, which is whenever it came to something
where a huge number of human lives were involved, Yeah,
almost always, it got kind of brushed over Ukraine. I
will say, I don't think it got a very good
set of questions. It was the same shit that they've
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been asking both sides. Right, The Dims get asked, how
are you going to actually conclude this conflict in a
favorable way? And the Republicans get asked, are you just
going to abandon Ukraine? Right? Like, that's the gist of
what both candidates are are being pushed on, and the
gist of their responses is unchanged from everything we've heard
earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Right, And despite being asked multiple times, Trump refused to
answer if it was in the world's best interest of
Ukraine wins the war. He was asked that several times,
and he just he just said, I want the war
to end. Not an answer.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And there wouldn't have been a war if I'd been president.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
This wouldn't have happened. Yeah, this wouldn't have happened. That's
his claim.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But you know, Harris did not have an answer, because
there isn't one. No, no, This is an incredibly difficult
war right now, I will say, I think like the
actual things she should have done, and the thing that
Biden should have done is say, like, we are removing
all extant limitations on the weapons that we ship Ukraine
and how they can use them. You know, at this
point they have now invaded Russian territory and occupied hundreds
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of miles of it. Like, you know, that was something
I was interested in that she should have hit on
and did not, which Trump brought up the fact that
Russia has nuclear weapons in a matter of like, we
can't push him too much. Who knows what they'll do, right,
That was clearly what he wanted people to take from
him bringing up the fact that Russia has a nuclear arsenal,
and Harris didn't bring up like, yeah, you know, they
invaded Russia a couple of weeks back, no nukes, Like
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this kind of threat is clearly something that the Putin
regime wants the international community to have. But when push
comes to shove, he's not suicidal. And the idea that
like Putin is going to start nuking people if Ukraine
is able to fire missiles at Russian fuel depots or whatever,
I just don't think is supported by how he's actually
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performed so far, but at any rate, at least Ukraine
got a decent amount of time. It was one of
the things that they talked about more in this debate.
Gaza got one very quick question. You could tell the
moderators wanted to move the fuck past it as fast
as possible, and both Trump and Harris wanted to get
past it, Harris more so than Trump.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Harris stayed about the same statement she made at the
DNC YEP she first mentioned October seventh, talked about how
far too many intocent Palestinians have been killed the war.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Mustan I mean a Ceespire deal, the hostages out. We
need to chart a course for a two state solution
and rebuild Gaza. We will always give Israel the ability
to defend itself, especially in relation to Iran. That was
most of her statement, which is nothing new from her now.
Trump first tried to skip the question and just immediately
talking about Russia. He then said that Kamala hates Israel
and she also hates the Arab people. The whole area
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will be bombed under her presidency, saying that if he
gets elected as president elect, he will solve the war,
and then he just talked about like how oil pipelines
are important.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was so weird interesting to me that he tried
to skip this when this is one of the things
she's weakest on the things. But I think it may
just be that, like Americans overwhelmingly at this point do
not think Israel is categorically in the wrong. They think
that Israel is often in the wrong in this war
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and has been killing a lot of innocent people. And
so it may just be that he knows that, Like,
this isn't really a rate issue for me either, Let's
move back to something. But it was It was interesting
to me that he didn't have any kind of concerted attack,
Like saying she hates Israel and Arabs is such a
strange tactic to take here, And I don't see how
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he thought it could help him.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Who are you trying to appeal to?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Right, How is this supposed to get you a vote?
What vote does this get you that you don't have?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
There's just no way that was like what was in
his campaign prep? Yeah, that was not advice, There's no way.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, Kamla did have a good line here to think
points towards her, like recording that sec people she said,
it's well known that Trump is a weak on foreign
policy and national security. He's pro dictator. Yeah. Yeah, Trump
just doesn't have any way to answer that, because yeah,
he does want to be a dictator. He just he
just offended the president of Hungary like a few minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, like called him a strong man and said that
that means he's tough.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Well.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
He also she had a good line about how like
he's not going to be tough with these people. They're
just going to like say something nice to him and
then he'll immediately want to be their friends. Like, yeah,
that was a decent little jab. She got a few
of those in more than a few. I want to
talk about since we're kind of running along just a
little bit at the end tier after the debate ended,
I caught this. I don't think you guys did, but
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Trump went down to what's called the no spin zone,
which is just a thing Fox did I start. I
think it started in the Handity show.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I caught the Fox immediate after the debate response, do
you want me to get into that? It's just one
quick thing. Sure, yeah, So immediate response from Fox was
Vice President Harris was clearly well prepared, but she was
never held to the fire and felt like ABC was
helping her out. He went down a few cat and
(37:48):
cat and dog holes instead of rabbit holes and not
rabbit holes. That was a direct thing to the eating
pets thing. Make no a snake about it. Trump had
a bad night.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Then just talked about how she was calm and prepared
and whatnot. But then you know, Hannity came on and
did his Hannity thing and then I'm.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
No spin zone.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That must have been why Trump was heading down to
the no spin zone. So what happened? You've got this.
It's the floor of where they did the debate, so
everyone is everywhere, tons of media and Trump. There's like
this huge scrum around him and I'm watching on ABC
and the ABC anchors just start screaming at him from
like Donald Donald, mister president, trying to get him to
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answer their questions and like everyone is doing this and
he eventually like gives a statement where he says, well,
this was my favorite debate. This was like the best
debate I've ever had. I clearly won. Someone was like,
so are you going to do a second debate? Harris
says she wants another debate and he's like, well, she
just wants another debate because she lost, So I don't
know if I'm going to do another debate. I found
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that very funny. I found it kind of shameful how
the ABC guys just kept howling at him to give
them some attention of this very crowded room. There was
no way he could hear you. He's an old man. Guys,
have some self fucking respect. You're supposed to be journalists,
and you had a colleague down there who was actually
asking him questions. But anyway, yeah, so yeah, I mean,
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there wasn't a ton there other than him kind of
desperately trying. And one of them did make the good
point that, like he is claiming, I obviously won the debate,
as he heads down to the spin zone spin his loss,
which is like, yeah, it's not a position of strength. No,
I don't know that you would have been doing this
if this had been a clean win, but it certainly wasn't.
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And yeah, like I think tonight went pretty badly for him.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, CNN was like foaming at.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
The mouth happy or sad.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
A CNN was thrilled. They're foaming at the mouth for
Kamala Harris that nobody else has done what she's been
able to do, and then something else happened that made
CNN and MSNBC thrilled and ruined one trumpet visor's day.
I'm sure Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala Harris for president right
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after the debate, And if only we could have seen
that Trump advisor whispered in his ear that he did not,
in fact, despite that AI fake endorsement get endorsed by
childless cat lady Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
That's so interesting to me that she couched her endorsement
in I am doing this because of the AI that
Trump kept retweeting.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, retruth thing, Sorry, retruthing.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Retruthing, Yes, you're right, I apologize. I didn't mean to.
I'm not going to make that joke anyway, Garrison, what
were you going to say?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Just that that's all just retruth thing.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's interesting to me that she she did specifically like
couch it and like is it's because of what he
did with this AI video like that, I felt like
I had a need to come out and say who
I'm voting for. Yeah, Also, she has a cute cat.
I hadn't seen her cat before.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's it's also that, but because I pay attention to
Taylor Swift news, she was getting hammered a little bit
in the last week because one of her good friends,
Brittany Mahomes, who's the wife of Patrick Mahomes, who is
Taylor Shift's boyfriends Travis Kelsey's teammate Jesus Christ, You're welcome,
has liked several of Trump's posts and uh, truth truths. No,
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I don't know where it.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Was to be.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I think it was actually think I don't I actually
don't think it was his posts. I think it was
a post about him, pro Trump post on Instagram, very
important to this election. Yes, and and then and then
they were seen together at the US Open and and
the Girl bosses were very unhappy with Taylor about this,
and so so I think that also played into the timing. Robert,
just so you know, know you're Taylor Swift facts by
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Sophie Lickterman.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Sorry, Sophie, Well you were talking about washed up musician
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
They're going to get on are going to get on
our ass. They will get our show canceled.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Robert Evans, we are not in that era. I was
getting that, I was getting crucial debate. Take from America's
most influential celebrity, Gilbert artist, Scott Adams.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
No, the debate is a tie so far with lots
of folks is flying a tie? Is a win for Harris?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Well, that's true. I think that is true.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
There you go, Scott, good work.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Scott comes out saying that Harris won the debate. There
you go. That's great. Finally, I do think it's funny
that Trump claimed that he didn't know about his previous
comments questioning if Kamala Harris was black. That was a very.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Talk about that moment. Oh, were you accused her of
putting out too?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
What was that to talk? He was also like saying, well,
the Central Park five pled guilty. So actually I think
it was okay. I wanted them executed. It is a wild,
a wild unforced error there.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
That whole little subsection was just crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Look, I will take one quick victory lap because I
said after the last debate, which was a disaster in
every possible way for Biden. Trump's not his soul self either.
He is definitely an older man. Yeah, he was in
twenty sixteen and even twenty twenty, and like, yeah, this
was that.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well, hopefully this was the only presidential debate that we'll
have to talk about with Kamala v. Trump. What an
exciting time. I'm excited for that, for that Vance Walls debate,
if that ever happens.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So am I Oh interesting that, Like our reaction after
this debate was like, Okay, she shouldn't do any other
debates and he's going to want to do more debates. Yeah,
And it was the exact opposite in their in their reactions.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, I was interested by that, which.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Like on MSNBC Tim Walls was like she should do
one every day. I mean, she did good, she did well,
But like my reaction was like, Okay, you did the job.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You did the job.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I do think like I have like, oh boys, I
think this might be Hubris coming in here and a
bad idea. But she could be right. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Like one of the problems is that if the election
doesn't turn around as much, or if something else happens
that pushes momentum back towards Trump, she might need a
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third debate And you kind of have to you kind
of can't know, like you are rolling the dice on
this one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, well that was the best debate I've ever watched. Yeah,
just in terms of it actually being a debate. Yeah,
there was not a half dead man on screen, or
yeah maybe there was. There just wasn't two half dead
men on screen, so you just.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Get a good look at like, Okay, yeah, these are
these are pretty decent pictures of the kinds of president
that these people want to be.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And like it literally comes down to he was not
willing to shake her hand and she walked across the
stage to shake his hand, and that's basically what the
debate was.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
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Yeah, that's right, and you know, until next time. I
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Ah, what's not doing great my democracy? Although better than
a couple of months ago. Maybe if we're comparing this
debate to the last debate, I think the short answer
everyone we'll agree with is better debate.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
My god.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Robert Evans with me tonight for you know. A
quick reaction to everything that went on in case you
don't want to sit through it yourself is Garrison Davis
and Sophie Lickdermann.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, this was like a real debate. We haven't had
one of these in a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, no, maybe never. I can't actually think of a
time in my life. It's certainly not in my adult
life where we have had one. I don't know, you
know what. Maybe I'm not remembering the Romney one well enough,
but certainly it's been a long time since we've got
This was really was about the issues to a significant extent,
not all of the issues I would have picked to
talk about, but there was a lot of discussion of
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issues and policy and.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Like actual moderating and actual moderating yes, live fact checks,
which I've never seen to this extent at any yeah,
at any presidential debate. Ever. It was almost shocking to
see the moderators actually do their job.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That was the highlight of the night for me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, and if you didn't catch the debate, it was
hosted by Disney's ABC and the moderators were Lindsay Davis
and David Muir, and yeah, both of them each did
a very decent job, I believe, with live fact checking.
When Trump said some of yes, very out of pocket,
(01:36):
unhinged comments.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
They deferred to him a couple of times when he
would demand to be allowed to speak. That I wasn't
thrilled with, but yeah, it was kind of it was
made up for you know. One of the things going
on on the right wing media the last couple of
days has been this claim that Haitian immigrants to the
United States are eating people's pets. We'll probably do an
episode on this, it's worth covering, like it all it's
all lies. It's like evil, racist lies. But brought it
(02:00):
up in detail during the debate and got pressed pretty
effectively by David who essentially what I'm saying, like, well,
that's just not true. Like we've talked to the city manager,
there's no reports of anyone's pet speed.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, you've just made this up. And Trump said it
was true because he saw it on TV.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
He said it twice. But like, you know, I just
want to like for like a Reuter's fact check, like
this started from a Facebook post and then determined that
it was There was no evidence to this claim, and
that didn't stop the likes of jd Vance and other
horrible individuals spreading it on the internet and Donald Trump
(02:41):
announcing it to be true multiple times during the biggest
presidential debate of our lifetime.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
As they kept saying, it seems every debate is the
most historic debate that's ever happened.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, I'm going to say this one wasn't. Sorry, the
last one definitely was because one of the guys who
was in it is no longer running for presidents.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's fair. That one was a little historic.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, do we want to get into a little bit
of the pre show at all?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Or sure? We could talk about the pre show first? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Why not? Why don't you start there, Sophie.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
During the pre show, Fox News was talking about how
the Trump campaign says that he will only go low
on the issues and he did not. They also had
a guy who is on TV way too much Byron Donald,
where he said that Kamala, we know Biden is not
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running the country your VP. Now, basically what they kind
of just did the same sad talking points, and then
CNN did, I mean, this is not that interesting, to
be honest, like CNN talked about how important this was,
and Chris Wallace specifically said that Trump's biggest strength is
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he doesn't talk like a politician. I don't think that
helped him tonight, to be honest, not tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, you know, to be honest, here's what I would
say that was true of why he won. That played
a major role in winning. But he talks like a
politician now because politics has reordered itself around trump Ism,
particularly on the right. But even Harris and Walls are
a little trumpier than certainly any Democratic politician was before
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the selection.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Right, and the most interesting thing that was said in
both of these things to be which will bring us
to the start of the debate. CNN was heavily focused
on the fact that President Trump is almost a foot
taller than Vice President Harris and asking if he will
take advantage of that. He wouldn't even meet her across
the stage to shake her hand. She walked all the
way over to him. I genuinely think he did not
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want to shake her hand.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
No, he didn't, And I thought that was Again, this
all seems like very petty stuff to talk about, but
this is the pettiest man alive, and like this stuff
actually does matter, And I think it was a pretty
intelligent strategic move. I think it started off the night
with him off ballance. She immediately put him off balance
and pissed him off, and that he didn't really recover.
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He had some moments. He certainly was not weak everywhere.
I think he was lie Like his economy. Everything he
says about like tariffs is like it's a nonsense policy
that would devastate like large chunks of this country. But
I think his messaging was pretty effective there. It probably
is going to work for a lot of moderates. I
thought his messaging on Afghanistan was really effective. I think
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he probably won that segment of the debate just in
terms of what's going to play better.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Those are the two definitely right.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But you know, he didn't lose every clash they had.
He never got momentum, and he was never able to
build momentum. Even when he had a win. He was
never able to tie that into a greater pattern like
he was with Biden. He was never able to get
any kind of weight behind him. He just kind of
was wobbling.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
The whole night, which I think at this scale is
the first we've seen from him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It was definitely Kamala going in hard for the handshake
at the very very start of the debate was her
equivalent of Trump following around Hillary Clinton on that debate stage.
It threw him off balance. He wasn't expecting it. It
immediately kind of gave her the upper hand literally wow
and controlling where the conversation was going to go. Like
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Trump refused to look at Kamala throw the entire debate.
He only looked straight ahead. Kamala was often addressing Trump
directly looking at him and then also turning towards the cameras.
Trump was just straight faced the entire time. He never
he never looked at her or acknowledged her like visually.
It was kind of odd to see. And throughout the
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debate he just kept getting really angry and almost like childish.
Harris maintained her ability to present herself as like the
more hopeful candidate and by and large like led the debate.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, he kept having to like follow her. He just
came off as like an angry child. Now she did
not answer some of the questions, but like her policy shifts,
but she was able to deflect those questions and Trump
to go off topic to talking about like crowd sizes
and rumors about eating dogs. Trump wasn't able to actually
talk about what his plans for the country were. Harris
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just kept him like complaining about weird nonsense, going off
on tagents, and always going back to talking about immigrants.
He just couldn't control the conversation at all.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, and the crowd size stuff, like, he was very
clearly like on the verge of kind of losing it there,
which was interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
CNN claimed during their post show that that moment was
when he never recovered after the crowd size stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, I think that's probably accurate.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Fair, Yeah, that's a fair analysis from CNN.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I would say that he didn't he never recovered from
the opening handshake, like, but that's when it was kind
of undeniable, the crowd sized thing, like, because he kept
trying to get back on the rails and I think
he gave up. And the clearest example of that was
his closing statements which I know we're kind of jumping
around here, but Kamala's closing statements were the kind of
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closing statements you give if you are trying to become
the president, and Trump's you can contrast it to the
way he was talking during his big RNC speech, which
was certainly much too long but was clearly intentional for
the most part, was a better speech. Yeah, it's like
there was some ad libbing there. He did some, but
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this was clearly not written down ahead of time. It
did not sound like that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It made no sense.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, it was nonsense.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Kamala's ending statement was talking about how this is a
fight for two different versions of what this country will
look like, you know, a very politiciany speech. Trump didn't
talk about himself at all. He just was complaining that
if Kamala Harris has so many great ideas for the country,
why hasn't she enacted them? And the answer is because
she's not the president. Yes, But he did not talk
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about his own version of the country. He was just
complaining about how much he didn't like Kamala Harris and
that Kamala Harris is promising to do great things even
though that she's not like doing them right now as
vice president, And that was his messaging, at.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Least in the pre show that I watched, and in
a lot of like the punditry I read before this,
the thing that kept getting reinforced was that this has
to be a debate about the issues. The Americans that
are still undecided want to hear what people's plans are
for the country. Now. Do I believe that's the case.
I'm not necessarily the most optimistic about how seriously Americans
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take political policy. But if that is the case, Trump
blew his chance to talk about what he wants to
do as president because he number one, was extremely defensive.
He spent more time denying things that he didn't wasn't
going to do, like it. She got him very good
on twenty twenty five. That has proven to be an
extremely effective line of attack, and he was really he
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had to not just deny that he planned to like
in state Project twenty twenty five as president, but like
he had to repeatedly claim I've never read it, Like,
I don't know what's in it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't want to read it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I have nothing to do with Project twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Five, in a way that sounded almost panicked. Yeah, right,
like where he really I'm kind of surprised they didn't
give him a better response on that that they didn't
really drill that down, and I wonder if they did.
And he just was so flustered and pissed that he
didn't do it. But he certainly did not have an
effective response to that one. And when he kept repeatedly
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being asked to give his policy on how he would
like fix the Affordable Care Act or replace it, he
just punted.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
He just kept saying, it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's like, okay, yeah, it's terrible, but I can't do
anything about it, so I'm not going to repeal it,
but like, We've got to do better. Was it was
a really weak answer.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah. One thing I found interesting is that the last
debate was full of so many AD breaks and we
went full like a one hour, yeah, a full hour
before before ads and speaking of ads, oh wow, we
have gone a full thirteen minutes, and that means it's
time for us to take an AD break. All right,
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we are back.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah. Can I get to one thing first, because I
just came across this. It's about the Haitian immigrants. PBS
put up a documentary like literally a day or two
ago talking, yeah, one day ago talking about this, and
they interview a factory owner in Springfield, Ohio about what
he thinks of Haitian migration, and he's like, I wish
a lot more of them would come. They're the only
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people in town who don't do drugs and come to
work on time. I just thought that was a great,
great Springfield, Ohio representation. I hope that guy's happened A
good night.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Great quote there, Robert, Yeah, Garre, what do you want
to talk about next?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Now? In this middle section, just kind of want to
go over some of what they actually talked about during
the debate, a few of kind of the main topics.
They started with the economy. Kamala is talking about how
there's a shortage of homes. They're the cost of housing
is just too high, and she's going to have tax
cuts for families and warned about Trump's quote unquote sales
tax that would rise costs for households by nearly four
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thousand dollars a year. Now that this is in reference
to Trump's tariffs, which he then talked about next, they
know they're not sales tax, they're tariffs and that countries
will pay us back for all that we've done in
the world. It's insane, which will bainly mean that our
economy will do worse and things will be more expensive
for us.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I thought Kamala was pretty strong during that section in
terms of like her response. She directly mentioned Goldman Sachs,
which is something that's come out in the last couple
days from Reuters. It's that the Goldman Saxy's biggest boost
you as economy from a Harris when talking about US
economic growth would likely get the biggest boost in the
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coming two years from Democrats headed by Kamala Harris winning
the White House and Congress and November election, And she
specifically like called out to that, and her being actually
able to call out to something like that in a
debate was something we I haven't seen in a while
on a debate, And so that was something that I
particularly took note of.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, actually slight relevant authorities on issues.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, Yeah, she did a lot of that. She definitely
had her moments where she would avoid responses. I noted
she consistently refused to answer, are there limitations you think
should be in place on when people can get abortions?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, she just kind of did not answer that one. Now,
to be frank, I think that's a bullshit question, and
I think a redirection was pretty effective. Yeah, but as
a general rule, when she answered questions, she cited statistics
and like studies and did a pretty a pretty good job.
Now again, how well is that kind of matter? We're
still very early in the kind of pundit cycle here.
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It seems pretty clear that most of the mainstream media,
including Fox Like agrees Harris won the night. Polymarket predicts
a ninety seven percent chance that Harris is judged the
winner in the debate snappoles, which I found out from
Nate Silver's quick reaction, where he also notes, quote, bitcoin
prices are down, which also implies a loss for Trump.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
That's very funny.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I love that Bitcoin's a good political needle to see
where the country's going.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'll tell you the happiest assuming that we don't usher
in a new fascist or you know, a significantly worse
state in November. The best thing about it is going
to be not needing to pay attention to Nate Silver
for another four years.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But yeah, you know, he did make one other point
that I found kind of funny. Which was his argument that,
like well, Trump is a lot taller. The stature gap
in terms of physical size was also notable, especially with
Harris having a shorter podiumtimes you'll hear people say that
you should watch the debate with the sound off, and
by that measure it was much closer than with the
sound on.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Who says that name?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Has ever said that?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Who's gonna watch the debate with the sound off?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Stick to Poles man, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
These debates used to be audio only. They were a
radio broadcasts. That is that's how the tradition started.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That is so unwell of him to say what are you?
What are you doing? Why think that over head? And
don't put that on the internet.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
He is a good yes every second mate, Silver isn't
writing a blog post or looking at Poles he is
He is sitting in a shitty bar in like Fremont Street, Vegas,
playing like mid Steaks poker. So he probably does consume
a lot of television with the sound off.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But to go back to the economy, so as Kamla
was talking about her plans for like tax credits and
tax cuts helping people buy homes, Trump was just talking
about tariffs and immediately brought up that one of the
things that's affecting the economy is that there is there's
millions of people pouring in from prisons and a sane
asylums taking jobs from black and Hispanic and union workers.
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That these immigrants are taking over towns and buildings violently.
And it's just immediately that that's what that's what he
goes to because he has really just nothing else.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
He also said people can't buy bacon, cereal and eggs
cereal cereal. Of all the foods to choose cereal.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So yeah, tried to talk about like inflation and stuff.
It just it just didn't go very well, especially because
inflations rose so much during the pandemic when he was president.
It just didn't play very well at all. Immediately it
was clear that Kamala was kind of the front runner.
The next topic was abortion, which Kamala also did very well,
and Trump just really lost it because he couldn't stop
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talking about how Tim Walls wants to execute babies after birth,
and this just this was the main thing he talked about.
He was very defensive about his stance on a national
abortion ban. Moderators asked him about his contra victory abortion
statements about how he's voting for an abortion ban in
Florida but is claiming to not want one nationally, and
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Trump just didn't know how to talk about this topic
very well and just kept saying that Democrats are evil
because they want to do nine month abortions, seven month,
eight month abortions, post birth executions, they will execute the baby,
which was I believe this was like the first fact
check for the night. And this is what kind of
really scared Trump is. He was like, Oh, they're actually
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gonna call me on this stuff. Mariator said that there's
no states where you can kill babies after birth, and
Trump just didn't know what to do. Kamala brought up
Project to twenty twenty five and their plans for a
national abortion ban. Trump made a little funny comment, kind
of throwing JD. Vance under the bushments about Trump vetoing
a national abortion ban if it was passed by Congress.
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Trump said that he actually hadn't talked to Vance about that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I didn't discuss it with jam By the.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Way, I've been taking a break from Twitter, but I
did catch a good post recently JD. Vance Before the debate,
made a claim that a bunch of people from Springfield
who he won't name, have reached out to him talking
about Haitians eating their pets, and then ended it by
saying like it's possible this will prove to be untrue.
And someone just quote tweeted that and said, every day
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I see something that makes me understand why Vance's mom
traded him for a couple of perk thirties.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Incredible, But Kamala basically said most of her regular talking
points and abortion. She would like for the House in
the Senate to put abortion protections into law and she
would sign that bill and wants to restore the protections
of Roe v. Wade, and also talked about how it's
absurd to be talking about post birth executions and how
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this is like consulting.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yep, she's correct, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah. Next thing was the border, very similar to both
their RNC and their DNC speeches. Kamala talking about this
kind of very conservative border bill that Trump shot down
for political game, and then invited us to attend a
Trump rally where he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal
Lecter and how windmills caused cancer and that people leave early,
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and he never talks about you, the American people. So
this was obviously giant bait for Trump, which he he
took immediately. He just couldn't stop talking about people actually
come to my rallies way more than they go to
your rallies. They don't leave early. You have to bust
in people to your rallies.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And he claims she pays people to attend her rallies
as well.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
He got so flustered. Is that this is what he
started talking about the eating dogs thing. It's because he
got so flustered on this line of argument about his
crowd size that he just he just had to immediately
talk about how there's immigrants eating dogs. Yeah, because he
just didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, it's actually kind of just a very like
on the nose but perfect representation of how racism works
culturally a lot of the time, which is like white
man feels aggrieved and threatened and immediately turns to attacking
an entire group of people based on their race, like like,
it really was the most direct example of that that
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you could possibly get, Like, he felt vulnerable and so
he attacked a group of people for eating cats. He
did a blood libel.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think a big part of Kamalist strategy here was
to paint Trump as like an illegitimate figure in politics,
like someone who's not like responsible to like lead the military.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And it's dangerous. Yeah, she bragged.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
About the endorsement of two hundred Republicans, including Dick.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Cheney hated that moment, like, no, but you know, is
not great.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But we'll see if it plays politically well.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It might work.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, it doesn't play well for us, but yes, doesn't
mean it doesn't overall play well. Unfortunately, a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Of her statements seemed like she was trying to court
both the NATSEC people and the courts if there's ever
like a contested election, Like she wants those people to
be on her side, and there's a lot of common
throughout the debate that was kind of point to that
and like showing how Trump's just like an unreliable and
like dangerous figure to be in control of national security.
Trump went on this interesting tangent about how he was
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actually good because he fired a whole bunch of those
Republicans because they were because they were bad at their jobs.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I thought it was one of his more effective moments.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That was something we've never really seen done before, openly
attacking military leaders in that fashion.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I didn't read it as attacking military leaders. I read
it as him specifically stating because she was Harris had
been talking about the Republicans from the Bush White House
who had endorsed her, and I read it as Trump
saying I brought in a lot of like rhinos, what
he would call rhinos, but I brought in a lot
of like old Republican veterans and fired them because they
were bad at their job. And I thought that was
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one where I was like, well, yeah, they were, you know, like,
you're not wrong. You didn't replace them with anyone better,
but like they were. In fact, you did hire a
bunch of Republican officials who had a long history working
in other administrations who sucked at what they did, you know, like,
not wrong. Now, it's interesting to have him say I
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brought in a lot of people. Some of them were
good and some of them were bad. Yes, Yeah, I
don't think I've ever heard a former president admit that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
During a debate, he was like, we don't talk about
the good people, And it's like.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, why why don't you do that? Now? During your debate.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, here's your chance.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
JD. Vance great guy, great guy, great, great guy.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Trump, So Jdvan's great guy. Never met him, don't know
who he is. Who are you talking about? Never talked
to him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
One of the more interesting questions the moderator asked was
just directly asking Trump, how would you go about your
massive deportation program? How would you actually go about deporting
eleven million or more undocumented immigrants? And Trump did not
have a real answer to this question. Trump said that,
you know, there's actually way more of them here than
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what you would think South America is sending all their
criminals here.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was really interesting because he said, they say fifteen million,
it's really twenty one million. And then he said, and
it's a lot more than twenty one million.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Okay, how many is it?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Donald?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
The moderators challenged him on like rising crime rates, saying
that the FBI is actually, you know, showing that crime
is going down, and Trump then claimed that the FBI
crime rates are fraudular, are fraudulent, which is the first
time that you've seen, at least that I've seen him
talk about it that way. Like usually on Fox News
they will like mention that, but they'll be like, but
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people feel crime is going up, So that's what really matters.
Even if even if the FBI claims it's going down,
people still feel less safe. But he just openly said
that those numbers are just like fake, like the FBI
is just like lying saying that they aren't counting crimes
in like the biggest major cities. Kama's response to this
was saying that that's rich coming from a convicted criminal.
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So we got that first, like prosecutor girl boss moment.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Okay, hi've rise up.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Trump complained about all of like the legal witch hunts
he's been facing and said that, quote, I probably took
a bullet to the head because of the things they
say about me, unquote, which is just a fascinating way
to frame.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That unhinged thing to say.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It is, especially given how many Americans don't think he
was shot in the head.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You just know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
His advisors were like, what the fuck, Like, what are
you saying right now?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Fuck? Oh they are drinking tonight.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Oh they are drinking tonight. Yeah yeah, And that's not
even like the most unhinged thing he said, because the
most unhinged thing he said the entire night came shortly
after that, which was, she wants to do transgender operations
on illegal aliens in prison. Based she wants to do
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transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison. She wants to
do transgender operations illegal aliens in prison, and the leader
says she's a radical liberal.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I believe that a president can perform surgery if that
president wants to. Sophie and I support Kamala Harris's policy.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You should have voted for Ben Carson then.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I did I write him in every year?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, Jesus Christ, No you don't. There was a good
tweet that remark that it just sounds like he's talking
like he's playing cards against humanity. He's just like change,
He's just like changing out different words like transgender aliens,
prison surgery. I believe what he's referencing here is that
both Fox News and Trump's campaign team the past few
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days have been talking about how in twenty twenty, Kamala
made a statement basically saying that, yeah, we should like
offer gender affirming health care to people in prison, Like,
if you're in prison, we should not like deny health
care to you just because you're locked up. That's like
what he's talking about that is specifically what he's referring to,
but it just it sounds just absolutely leave that shit.
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Let's have another quick ad break. We will come back.
I want to talk a little bit about January sixth,
foreign policy, Israel, Palestine, and then some of Trump's and
Kamala's post debate statements made to the press. All Right,
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we are so bad, so bad.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's so bad, like the Harris campaign kind of kind
of She's been slowly kind of like flatlining in some
of these polls. I do want to talk about that
a little before we get into this, because it has
been interesting. She's been losing kind of national popular vote momentum,
and that has been narrowing. The swing states have not
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really narrowed in the same way, which is not to
say that she is a clear favorite. Everything basically is
within the margin of error.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
She's barely ahead, but she's still ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It has been a really interesting change. It has not
been the same. There's a newsletter I check on occasionally
for stuff like this at germntum that made what I
thought was an interesting point, which was that it's possible
that a lot of that has to do with the
fact that the national popular vote has been narrowing as
a result of the ads the Republicans have been pumping
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out because there wasn't a real strong consensus about who
Harris was, and now that's growing. But in a lot
of these swing states, which are red states, people have
been living under Republicans and are just a lot less
kind of vulnerable to being drawn away by that kind
of propaganda because they know what it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
No, I mean, especially if you're looking at North Carolina,
You're looking at Georgia. Those are two battlegrounds that the
Harris campaign is targeting. I can definitely see that being
being an aspect. So the mods turned the questions towards
January sixth. Trump immediately claimed that nobody on the other
side was killed, only Ash the bad that was killed
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by a bad police officer.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Very ironic, but easily the only Coppall go to bat
for the best shoot in twenty twenty one by a mile.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And he then complained that why haven't BLM rioters been
prosecuted in Seattle and Minneapolis, which of course they have.
They are still They're still arresting people.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Man, I've spent time in courtrooms with people like yes.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I was shocked he did not call out Portland.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It is interesting that he went for Seattle and not Portland.
I guess maybe just says a lot about his media
diet that he just maybe got a lot more Chazz
stuff than he did Portland stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't know. He certainly did go after a commal
a few times for being pro defund the police back
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He really, he tried several times. He clearly she never
took the bait. Yeah, she never took the bait. And
that must have been one that his advisors really pushed
him on. Yeah, like they must have said, you'll get
her on this.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It was both that and her previous like fracking policies,
which she has like backtracked on, And you have to
if you want to win Pennsylvania. So like, I understand
why they're doing it. It sucks because the planet's burning,
but right now they're trying to win Pennsylvania. The debate
was in Pennsylvania. Like, that's why she has backtracked on
those policies. I think it's smart to deflect from that
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at least right now. But yeah, I mean that's that's
not surprising to me. Now. I think Kamala did a
pretty good statement about January sixth. She said, I was
at the Capitol on j six He incited a violent mob.
And now she got kind of emotional. She said one
hundred and forty officers were injured and some died. Trump
was impeached, which is something that just hasn't been talked
about very much. Is like, yeah, Trump has been impeached.
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Why isn't that talked about very much?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Because so many other things have happened, then everyone has forgotten, Yeah,
that he was liter really impeach.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, multiple times. And then she pointed to January sixth
as like not the only incident. No, she pointed back
to Charlottesville, talked about Trump's statements about Proud Boys and
how the Proud Boy militia was told to stand back
and stand by, and she kind of closed this little
January sixth monologue by saying, like, we don't have to
go back to this. He says that if the election
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doesn't go to his liking, there will be a blood bath.
We don't have to go back, And she's positioning herself
as like as an alternative towards like that type of chaos.
Trump got very mad at this very mad Trump talking
about how Fox News debugged the Charlottesville quote. Yeah, I'm sure,
I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure. I know one other like
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fact checker I think with Snopes is like, actually, the
Charlottesville quote is different in context, and at least a
whole bunch of fact checkers that, like I know and
extremism reporters have kind of gotten on snopesas for this,
because it's very clear, it's a very disingenuous way of
framing what he was trying to say. Yeah, we all
know what happened on Charlottesville. We all know what he
was talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, Cataboo is a really good video on it if
you want to watch more.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, yes she does.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
And then the moderators talked about how Trump has been
falsely claiming for for three and a half years that
he won the twenty twenty election, but now says that
he lost by a whisker, and Trump was startled by this.
He's like, did I actually say that?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I said that?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I said that. No, no, no, no, no. That was sarcastic,
and it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Was like the only time I've ever heard him he
sounded genuinely like confused, like maybe there was a little
old man. But we're like, oh shit, what have I
been saying.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
He's like, no, no, no, that was a sarcastic statement.
I still think I won the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, and he really And that was one of the
more effective moderator moments because you could see the moderator
was like, oh, what a gift I've been given. I
just want to make very clear. Let's have him say,
Let's have him confirm what he means, like three times
and then we could move on.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Kabla had a good reply talking about how like we
can't have a candidate who's confused about how the elections
work and being like like she is correct, Yeah, come on,
great respond and then Trump immediately went on to defend
Victor Horbon, Yes, the president of Hungary sage. Some people
call him a strong man because he's a really tough guy.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Was the strong man thing.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That was my favorite part because he clearly misunderstood, no,
strong man is a term for dictation.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yes, yeah, he just.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That was quite a moment for this country.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It was just the fumbling and bumbling.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I love it, you know what. Overall, good time, except
for one thing that really sucked, which is several things
that really sucked, which is whenever it came to something
where a huge number of human lives were involved, Yeah,
almost always, it got kind of brushed over Ukraine. I
will say, I don't think it got a very good
set of questions. It was the same shit that they've
(32:41):
been asking both sides. Right, The Dims get asked, how
are you going to actually conclude this conflict in a
favorable way? And the Republicans get asked, are you just
going to abandon Ukraine? Right? Like, that's the gist of
what both candidates are are being pushed on, and the
gist of their responses is unchanged from everything we've heard
earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Right, And despite being asked multiple times, Trump refused to
answer if it was in the world's best interest of
Ukraine wins the war. He was asked that several times,
and he just he just said, I want the war
to end. Not an answer.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And there wouldn't have been a war if I'd been president.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
This wouldn't have happened. Yeah, this wouldn't have happened. That's
his claim.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But you know, Harris did not have an answer, because
there isn't one. No, no, This is an incredibly difficult
war right now, I will say, I think like the
actual things she should have done, and the thing that
Biden should have done is say, like, we are removing
all extant limitations on the weapons that we ship Ukraine
and how they can use them. You know, at this
point they have now invaded Russian territory and occupied hundreds
(33:43):
of miles of it. Like, you know, that was something
I was interested in that she should have hit on
and did not, which Trump brought up the fact that
Russia has nuclear weapons in a matter of like, we
can't push him too much. Who knows what they'll do, right,
That was clearly what he wanted people to take from
him bringing up the fact that Russia has a nuclear arsenal,
and Harris didn't bring up like, yeah, you know, they
invaded Russia a couple of weeks back, no nukes, Like
(34:07):
this kind of threat is clearly something that the Putin
regime wants the international community to have. But when push
comes to shove, he's not suicidal. And the idea that
like Putin is going to start nuking people if Ukraine
is able to fire missiles at Russian fuel depots or whatever,
I just don't think is supported by how he's actually
(34:29):
performed so far, but at any rate, at least Ukraine
got a decent amount of time. It was one of
the things that they talked about more in this debate.
Gaza got one very quick question. You could tell the
moderators wanted to move the fuck past it as fast
as possible, and both Trump and Harris wanted to get
past it, Harris more so than Trump.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Harris stayed about the same statement she made at the
DNC YEP she first mentioned October seventh, talked about how
far too many intocent Palestinians have been killed the war.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Mustan I mean a Ceespire deal, the hostages out. We
need to chart a course for a two state solution
and rebuild Gaza. We will always give Israel the ability
to defend itself, especially in relation to Iran. That was
most of her statement, which is nothing new from her now.
Trump first tried to skip the question and just immediately
talking about Russia. He then said that Kamala hates Israel
and she also hates the Arab people. The whole area
(35:21):
will be bombed under her presidency, saying that if he
gets elected as president elect, he will solve the war,
and then he just talked about like how oil pipelines
are important.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was so weird interesting to me that he tried
to skip this when this is one of the things
she's weakest on the things. But I think it may
just be that, like Americans overwhelmingly at this point do
not think Israel is categorically in the wrong. They think
that Israel is often in the wrong in this war
(35:54):
and has been killing a lot of innocent people. And
so it may just be that he knows that, Like,
this isn't really a rate issue for me either, Let's
move back to something. But it was It was interesting
to me that he didn't have any kind of concerted attack,
Like saying she hates Israel and Arabs is such a
strange tactic to take here, And I don't see how
(36:17):
he thought it could help him.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Who are you trying to appeal to?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Right, How is this supposed to get you a vote?
What vote does this get you that you don't have?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
There's just no way that was like what was in
his campaign prep? Yeah, that was not advice, There's no way.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, Kamla did have a good line here to think
points towards her, like recording that sec people she said,
it's well known that Trump is a weak on foreign
policy and national security. He's pro dictator. Yeah. Yeah, Trump
just doesn't have any way to answer that, because yeah,
he does want to be a dictator. He just he
just offended the president of Hungary like a few minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, like called him a strong man and said that
that means he's tough.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Well.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
He also she had a good line about how like
he's not going to be tough with these people. They're
just going to like say something nice to him and
then he'll immediately want to be their friends. Like, yeah,
that was a decent little jab. She got a few
of those in more than a few. I want to
talk about since we're kind of running along just a
little bit at the end tier after the debate ended,
I caught this. I don't think you guys did, but
(37:19):
Trump went down to what's called the no spin zone,
which is just a thing Fox did I start. I
think it started in the Handity show.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I caught the Fox immediate after the debate response, do
you want me to get into that? It's just one
quick thing. Sure, yeah, So immediate response from Fox was
Vice President Harris was clearly well prepared, but she was
never held to the fire and felt like ABC was
helping her out. He went down a few cat and
(37:48):
cat and dog holes instead of rabbit holes and not
rabbit holes. That was a direct thing to the eating
pets thing. Make no a snake about it. Trump had
a bad night.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Then just talked about how she was calm and prepared
and whatnot. But then you know, Hannity came on and
did his Hannity thing and then I'm.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
No spin zone.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That must have been why Trump was heading down to
the no spin zone. So what happened? You've got this.
It's the floor of where they did the debate, so
everyone is everywhere, tons of media and Trump. There's like
this huge scrum around him and I'm watching on ABC
and the ABC anchors just start screaming at him from
like Donald Donald, mister president, trying to get him to
(38:32):
answer their questions and like everyone is doing this and
he eventually like gives a statement where he says, well,
this was my favorite debate. This was like the best
debate I've ever had. I clearly won. Someone was like,
so are you going to do a second debate? Harris
says she wants another debate and he's like, well, she
just wants another debate because she lost, So I don't
know if I'm going to do another debate. I found
(38:53):
that very funny. I found it kind of shameful how
the ABC guys just kept howling at him to give
them some attention of this very crowded room. There was
no way he could hear you. He's an old man. Guys,
have some self fucking respect. You're supposed to be journalists,
and you had a colleague down there who was actually
asking him questions. But anyway, yeah, so yeah, I mean,
(39:13):
there wasn't a ton there other than him kind of
desperately trying. And one of them did make the good
point that, like he is claiming, I obviously won the debate,
as he heads down to the spin zone spin his loss,
which is like, yeah, it's not a position of strength. No,
I don't know that you would have been doing this
if this had been a clean win, but it certainly wasn't.
(39:35):
And yeah, like I think tonight went pretty badly for him.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, CNN was like foaming at.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
The mouth happy or sad.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
A CNN was thrilled. They're foaming at the mouth for
Kamala Harris that nobody else has done what she's been
able to do, and then something else happened that made
CNN and MSNBC thrilled and ruined one trumpet visor's day.
I'm sure Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala Harris for president right
(40:05):
after the debate, And if only we could have seen
that Trump advisor whispered in his ear that he did not,
in fact, despite that AI fake endorsement get endorsed by
childless cat lady Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
That's so interesting to me that she couched her endorsement
in I am doing this because of the AI that
Trump kept retweeting.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, retruth thing, Sorry, retruthing.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Retruthing, Yes, you're right, I apologize. I didn't mean to.
I'm not going to make that joke anyway, Garrison, what
were you going to say?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Just that that's all just retruth thing.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's interesting to me that she she did specifically like
couch it and like is it's because of what he
did with this AI video like that, I felt like
I had a need to come out and say who
I'm voting for. Yeah, Also, she has a cute cat.
I hadn't seen her cat before.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's it's also that, but because I pay attention to
Taylor Swift news, she was getting hammered a little bit
in the last week because one of her good friends,
Brittany Mahomes, who's the wife of Patrick Mahomes, who is
Taylor Shift's boyfriends Travis Kelsey's teammate Jesus Christ, You're welcome,
has liked several of Trump's posts and uh, truth truths. No,
(41:22):
I don't know where it.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Was to be.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I think it was actually think I don't I actually
don't think it was his posts. I think it was
a post about him, pro Trump post on Instagram, very
important to this election. Yes, and and then and then
they were seen together at the US Open and and
the Girl bosses were very unhappy with Taylor about this,
and so so I think that also played into the timing. Robert,
just so you know, know you're Taylor Swift facts by
(41:45):
Sophie Lickterman.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Sorry, Sophie, Well you were talking about washed up musician
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
They're going to get on are going to get on
our ass. They will get our show canceled.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Robert Evans, we are not in that era. I was
getting that, I was getting crucial debate. Take from America's
most influential celebrity, Gilbert artist, Scott Adams.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
No, the debate is a tie so far with lots
of folks is flying a tie? Is a win for Harris?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Well, that's true. I think that is true.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
There you go, Scott, good work.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Scott comes out saying that Harris won the debate. There
you go. That's great. Finally, I do think it's funny
that Trump claimed that he didn't know about his previous
comments questioning if Kamala Harris was black. That was a very.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Talk about that moment. Oh, were you accused her of
putting out too?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
What was that to talk? He was also like saying, well,
the Central Park five pled guilty. So actually I think
it was okay. I wanted them executed. It is a wild,
a wild unforced error there.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
That whole little subsection was just crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Look, I will take one quick victory lap because I
said after the last debate, which was a disaster in
every possible way for Biden. Trump's not his soul self either.
He is definitely an older man. Yeah, he was in
twenty sixteen and even twenty twenty, and like, yeah, this
was that.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well, hopefully this was the only presidential debate that we'll
have to talk about with Kamala v. Trump. What an
exciting time. I'm excited for that, for that Vance Walls debate,
if that ever happens.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So am I Oh interesting that, Like our reaction after
this debate was like, Okay, she shouldn't do any other
debates and he's going to want to do more debates. Yeah,
And it was the exact opposite in their in their reactions.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, I was interested by that, which.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Like on MSNBC Tim Walls was like she should do
one every day. I mean, she did good, she did well,
But like my reaction was like, Okay, you did the job.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You did the job.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I do think like I have like, oh boys, I
think this might be Hubris coming in here and a
bad idea. But she could be right. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Like one of the problems is that if the election
doesn't turn around as much, or if something else happens
that pushes momentum back towards Trump, she might need a
(44:19):
third debate And you kind of have to you kind
of can't know, like you are rolling the dice on
this one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, well that was the best debate I've ever watched. Yeah,
just in terms of it actually being a debate. Yeah,
there was not a half dead man on screen, or
yeah maybe there was. There just wasn't two half dead
men on screen, so you just.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Get a good look at like, Okay, yeah, these are
these are pretty decent pictures of the kinds of president
that these people want to be.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And like it literally comes down to he was not
willing to shake her hand and she walked across the
stage to shake his hand, and that's basically what the
debate was.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Anyway, anyways, this has been It could Happen here. We're
going to post our source links from this episode in
the episode description, so look out for that.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, that's right, and you know, until next time. I
don't really have any advice.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Bye.
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