International Day of Solidarity with Anarchist Prisoners

James and Robert sit down with members of the Anarchist Black Cross and the campaign to free Marius Mason to discuss solidarity with incarcerated anarchists”

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My chickens just come to me. You got you didn't
catch you? Yeah? It's love, not coercion. That is how
you catch a chicken, which is not what this podcast
is about, is it, Robert, No, it's not. No unfortunate.
We're doing the Catching Chickens episode next week, but today

(01:10):
we are joined by three guests. We have Ava Mo
and Wode and They're going to be talking to us
about solidarity with anarchist prisoners and how you can do
that and why you should do that, and why people
have been doing that for a long time. So would
you guys like to introduce yourselves and just tell us
your names and any relevant affiliations and your pronouns. I'm

(01:33):
Ava she Her. I've been working with June eleventh for
about a handful of years now and been doing prisoners
support for almost ten years now. I'm more a Maltaco
and everyone calls me Mo. My pronouns are they or Mo?
And I'm an attorney and I do a lot of
work with political prisoners, people facing politically motivated prosecutions, and

(01:56):
incarcerated people who need gender affirming care. Excellent, Yeah, it's
very important stuff. Hey, my name's Woade, you see him pronounced.
I've been involved in prisoner support for twenty five plus
years and enjoying anarchists related activities for longer than that.
So I think if we start off with perhaps explaining

(02:17):
like what June eleventh is and sort of the history
of it, why why this is a day that people
can share the solidarity without anarchist prisoners, that would be great,
and just what if you want to talk about that? Yeah,
So June eleventh started as a day of solidarity with
Jeff Lolors when he was serving u like a twenty
two years sentence for torching some SUVs. But eventually he

(02:42):
was able to get his sentence shortened and he got out.
And at that point, Marius Mason and Eric McDavid were
in prison with twenty years sentences for um ECO sabotage
activity or in Eric's case, being entrapped for such. And
so it eventually changed to be about Marius and Eric

(03:03):
after Jeff was released, and then Eric McDavid also got
out of prison, and since then it expanded to all
long term anarchist prisoners. I wonder like, obviously we're in
like eight point as people have a few months before
June eleventh, and they might be interested in doing this.
They might not know any people directly they're incarcerated, or

(03:25):
they might not have had any experience with that sort
of in their close circles. So if we start with
like how people can show solidarity like two incarcerate to people,
I think that would be great. So they're like things
that people can do, how can they do that? Like,
so that people. I guess people who are incarcerat can
can hear them or hear from them. Yeah, I mean

(03:47):
writing letters is kind of a classic go to. UM
there's also a ways to communicate digitally or over the
phone lets people locked up. You know, putting money on
someone's books goes a long way. Everything is extremely overpriced
in prison and monopolized by the corporations that provide that
those services. But I mean, if if you're looking for

(04:09):
people you have stuff in common with the particularly political
things kind of carrying on the struggle and including their
name in those activities as part of that, and if
you are in communication with them, um, talking to them
about those things, getting there input and helping them feel
included in those struggles goes aspect the longest way. Yeah.

(04:34):
I think that's such an important point because, like when
you're talking about someone, for example, who's been like entrapped
by by the FEDS or whatever law enforcement agency was
responsible for it, like you're you're talking about a strategic
pattern that the state uses to clamp down on resistance,
and the efficacy of that strategy is entirely determined by

(04:59):
their ability to kind of break people and to break
movements by both making people suspicious of each other and
by you know, locking up and damaging the people who
are kind of most prone to action. And I think
doing stuff like this like not only helps kind of
heal those the distrust that is inherently planted by the

(05:23):
state when they do stuff like this, but also helps
the people who are kind of most targeted and who
have suffered the most for the cause not feel like
they're swinging in the wind, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I
think it helps mitigate the fear of repression and arrests
and especially things like terrorism enhancements. Yeah, when people know

(05:44):
that they're they're not going to be alone when they're
in prison, even if it is for decades, like there's
going to be people supporting them and writing them and
fundraising for them and like including them in their projects
like the entire time. Yeah, I would say too that
main time AVEN or something becomes more effective, um they've
become the focus of the state tends to sharpen on them.

(06:07):
And a lot of the prisoners that have been supported
around the June eleventh, they have solidarity were involved in
environmental animalyights activities that were particularly effective and particularly destructive
in a positive sense um, particularly like the alf and
Els actions of the nineties. UM, but on this very

(06:30):
intense repression in the early two thousands that came to
be called the Green Scare. Yeah. Kind of our our
theme for this year is that that repression like doesn't work.
All these like movements and struggles and activities continue even
despite that kind of repression. Like there's still you know,
activity in defense of the earth and animals and land defense,

(06:53):
and there's still like really militant queer self defense, and
there's still a lot of like a ton of activity
against police and against racist police violence and murder, and
like as much of those as much as those things
are repressed, like, it doesn't stop them, and they just
keep getting stronger. I think the only thing I would
add to that is one of the most important things
about doing political prisoner support or prisoner support in general,

(07:16):
is that the state really does work to criminalize politically
motivated behavior and politically motivated beliefs, which functions pretty effectively
to distract from the central message of social movements, whatever
social movement it may be. And providing prisoner support and

(07:38):
continuing to keep people who are in prison apprised of
those struggles continuing to engage in those struggles can really
function to refocus on that central message, even despite the
fact that state repression is a very effective drain on

(08:00):
movement resources and a very effective distraction from movement messaging
that is super important. Like if we look at like
the movement for Black Lives so that George Floyd Uprising
will have, we want to kind of phrase it like
the speed and like severity with which the state kind
of cracked down on that and attempts to infiltrate it,

(08:21):
attempted to create suspicion, attempted to create fear. Was like,
I think most people listening might be familiar with that,
even if they're not familiar with the Green Scare or
like previous incidents. And it's not just like I know,
we have people listening in other countries. This is not
just a America thing, right, Like British cops literally fucking

(08:41):
married people in the like in the early two thousands.
It's part of their undercover situation. And one of them
also went to clown school, which is funny at that
as a charming story. Yeah, it's one. I thank you
not to refer to these academy that way. Yeah, I

(09:04):
guess they all went to clowns goven in a sense. Yeah,
so yeah, we'll do We'll do a long promised clown
block episode one day. I know you have some insight
into marius case as his lawyer, right, So could you

(09:29):
explain a little bit about about that case if people
can understand like how a politically motivated prosecution works in
the exposed justice system that we have. So just to clarify,
I represent Marius now and I do advocacy for him. Well,
he is confined. I was not his criminal defense attorney.

(09:50):
So Marius was active in the very late nineties and
early two thousands and investigations that we're going on at
that time in the state. Repression that was focused on
the movements against environmental degradation was deep and concerted and

(10:17):
went on for many, many years. And that's sort of
what we refer to as the green scare, right, the
criminalizing of environmental movements. And I talk about criminalized behavior
and criminalized identity a lot. So I'm actually just going
to take a second and explain what I mean by that, yes, please, So,
the criminalization of identity refers to where law enforcement in

(10:43):
the state are policing monitoring, targeting identity rather than unlawful conduct,
and the criminalization of belief. Similarly, it refers to the
state targeting people on the basis of their beliefs rather

(11:04):
than on the basis of unlawful conduct. So movements social movements.
There's a very long and well documented history of social
movements being criminalized by the state, even in the absence
of any unlawful behavior. So the movements against environmental degradation

(11:26):
were heavily plased, targeted, infiltrated, and many federal grand juries
and setups and entrapments and successful prosecutions stemmed from that
criminalizing of environmental movements, and Marius's case was among those. Basically,

(11:49):
the state managed to turn Marius's former partner into an
asset and effectively charged prosecuted him for several acts of
politically motivated destruction of property, all of which were calculated

(12:10):
not to harm human beings. He pled guilty and was
sentenced in two thousand and nine. Had his had the
offenses to which he pled guilty not been perceived as
politically motivated, he would have probably gotten about seven years

(12:31):
because the prosecution argued that his behavior was politically motivated,
which I mean, I think is true. He was hit
with a terrorism enhancement which increased the severity of his punishment.

(12:54):
On the basis of how serious an offender he was
then deemed to be. The prosecution asked for twenty years,
the judge imposed twenty two. So here's an example of
how beliefs are criminalized. At his sentencing, the judge and

(13:16):
the prosecution both invoked and referred to what I think
most of us would view as really unremarkable political behavior
in ways that really cast it as very sinister. And
so Marius's contact with people who were on his support committee,

(13:41):
who were engaged in various kinds of civil disobedience about
which Marius likely knew nothing was cast as Marius being
in continued contact with people engaged in crimes, which was
a violation or would have been a violation of his
bond conditions. And on the basis of that claim that

(14:04):
Marius was violating his bond conditions by being in touch
with these people who again were engaged in what I
think most of us would see as completely unremarkable civil
disobedience constitutionally protected political behavior. This was one of the
bases on which the judge imposed this sentence that was

(14:26):
even longer than the prosecution had asked for. And there's
a number of other examples of this kind of criminalization
of routine political behavior, one of which is very significant,
which is that when Marius finally went to prison, he
started a reading group, and based on the content of
the books that they were reading, he was transferred from

(14:50):
a lower security facility pretty close to his family to facility,
and not just a facility, but a particular wing of
a facility, which was the administrative segregation unit at FMC
Carswell in Texas, which was much much farther from his
family and was involved all kinds of extremely stringent conditions

(15:13):
that I would argue were First Amendment violations. So you know,
we see not only the really intense surveillance and targeting
of social movements, but the really disproportionate punishments and sort
of retaliatory behaviors all the way down, all the way

(15:37):
from investigation through to incarceration and conditions of confinement. That's
a traitious obviously, So I wonder when he received those, like,
maybe perhaps you should first explain what a terrorism enhancement
is in case people aren't familiar. It is at what's
called a sentencing enhancement, and it allows, it authorizes, or

(16:00):
in some cases requires a judge to impose a harsher
sentence for behavior that's intended to I don't remember what
the exact language is, but it's it imposes a harsher
sentence for unlawful acts that are intended to intimidate or
coerce the public or public institutions. Okay, so that's that's

(16:25):
what increased like nitty triple that sentence in that case. Yeah.
And was that specifically like because he'd express anarchist ideas
or just because it was like his actions were in
sort of further of that liberation Front kind of goals.
I think it was explicitly because it was an ELF

(16:47):
associated action. Yeah, right, Yeah, it was part of this
crackdown on environmental movements. It's similar to what we're seeing
in Atlanta right now, like right down to the terrorism enhancements.
What we're seeing in Atlanta right now is actually a
little bit more astonishing just in terms of, first of all,
we're not really seeing it necessarily a terrorism enhancement. There

(17:11):
is a statute that criminalizes what they are calling domestic terrorism.
It operates similarly, right there's a predicate act and then
if it's politically motivated, you know, so you could, for example,
potentially have something like politically motivated trespass right or politically
motivated graffiti, and they could charge it as domestic terrorism.

(17:35):
The enhancement is a sentencing mechanism, but it certainly is
not new. What we're seeing in Atlanta, I would say,
is it is remarkable, but it is a continuation of
the same kind of targeted policing efforts to chill social movements,

(17:58):
efforts to disrupt social movements, to isolate people, to fractionate movements.
It's the same kind of thing that we have seen
really since the beginning of policing in this country. And
that makes a lot of sense when you consider like
the role of the police within the state and the

(18:20):
goals of some of these social movements, right, which we're
pretty to have to explain that in detail for people
to understand what's going on. So like with these people
facing you mentioned a couple of the other people who
would face political prosecutions and were incarcerated and then had
their sentences reduced, and maybe we could explain like how

(18:41):
that was able to happen, right, because that's obviously like
a desirable outcome. I don't know the like the legal
things that happened for that, but it was like it
was like in the court room kind of a solution. Okay, Yeah,
I'm curious just kind of in general, since you've all
had more contact with these folks who are incarcerated and

(19:01):
have been the kind of the victims of this this
state violence, when they talk about like what is kind
of meaningful to them in terms of outside connections, in
terms of like, you know what we're talking about here, Um,
what kind of stuff do they bring up as like
having a positive impact on their mental health, on their
kind of ability to endure what they're what they're going through. First,

(19:26):
I would say that communication is a big thing, like
being able to talk to people, to write with people,
and you know, a long term like regular correspondence is great,
but even just like little messages of solidarity can be
really meaningful. Material support is always huge, Like that's going
to make somebody sound a little bit better if they

(19:46):
can get stuff off a commissary, you know, by enough
stamps all those things. But the thing that I hear
a lot is like people want to see the projects
and the struggles that they're involved in continue. So if
that's like defense of the earth, if that's against the
police or or whatever it is, Like people like to

(20:06):
see that, um because it's you know, it's not just
about their own case, but yeah, about those movements that
they come from and um or if somebody's you know,
radicalized inside these things that they have um committed to
and been red from participating in a huge way, not
entirely um, but you know, people like to see to

(20:27):
see that continue and see um see victories, see like
creative attempts and things like that. That makes a lot
of sense, I think so for people like I know,
like I'll start that's right to incarcerate to people for
various things, And it can be quite difficult to like
to work out the process of doing that, and it

(20:48):
can be especially difficult. It was especially difficult during during
like the worst of the COVID kind of lockdowns and
search and like you couldn't I was trying to write
to a guy in one federal intehote and they wouldn't
let the person email me because they claimed that the
keyboard was like a high touch surface and this yeah, right,
like and which people were getting COVID in this facility

(21:13):
all the time. But how would folks go about, like,
let's say they wanted to to write to Marius and
just say, like, you know, we wanted to express the
solidarity and say it sucks that this is happening to
you or whatever. How would they go about doing that.
There's a couple of things that are specific with Marius
that I will want to tell you, but you can
go to if you google inmate locator bop, you can

(21:38):
search Marius his name or the name of any other
prisoner and you'll basically end up with It'll show you
their information, including where they are confined, and you can
usually click on the name of the facility and it
will take you to the website for that facility and

(21:59):
show you how to send mail to the prisoner. There's
also if you go to NYC ABC dot WordPress, dot
com or any of the other anarchist Black Cross websites.
NYC ABC is my home chapter, so that's the one
I'm familiar with. But if you go to the Anarchist

(22:22):
Black Cross websites, there are zines and I think a
whole list that is pretty well updated of all of
the anarchists political prisoners and instructions on how to write
to them. One of the things that is on those
websites that I would highly encourage you to take seriously
are instructions about how to responsibly write to people who

(22:47):
are under increased monitoring and surveillance while they are being confined.
Because retaliation against prisoners, even for things that the prisoners
themselves have not done, is very commonplace. And so if
somebody while we very much want to make sure we

(23:09):
keep in touch with people and give them news of
the outside world, including news about their social movements, one
thing that can happen is that those letters simply will
not be delivered. And another thing that might happen is
that the prisoner themselves may face disciplinary consequences formally or informally,

(23:30):
just as a result of having been the intended recipient
of that news. So, you know, I would say, as
I often say, discretion is the better part of valor.
In this instance, I think you have to have a
kind of a first do no harm attitude about this,
where like, at the end of the day, regardless of

(23:53):
your anger or your desire to talk about, you know,
certain things, your primary concern he has to be not
making things worse for somebody who's already in a terrible situation. Yes,
And I would also like to point out that prisoner
mail is monitored, and so among other things, you might

(24:14):
be making things worse for yourself. So I would be
cautious and circumspect about what you write to people whose
mail is being read. The other thing is with respect
to Marius in particular. Unfortunately, in order to get mail
to him, you still have to dead name him. And

(24:35):
if you want to hear more about that particular set
of struggles, I'm happy to talk about it, but suffice
it to say for now that if you go to
support Marius Mason dot org, there should be some instructions
about how to write to him, and I'll make sure
that the support group puts up clear instructions. But unfortunately

(24:55):
you do have to put his dead name on that
envelope or it will not get to It's extremely frustrating,
but yeah, it could be really annoying, especially if you're
trying to look for somebody using the locator and it
has a gender notifire and it's not the correct gender notifier,
and yeah, that can be difficult, but like, yeah, it's

(25:17):
it's an effort worth making, right, and it really can
help someone who's going through a difficult time. Yeah, and
people do have really specific interests apart from movement work
as well. And you know Marius paints. He sent me
this incredible He sent me a number of paintings over
the years. I have one actually that I think I

(25:39):
shared with you earlier, Saco and Ganzetti that he made.
He sent me a really great portrait of Jimmy Page once.
He also recently sent me a beautiful scarf that he
had knitted or crochet. I guess people have hobbies, people
have interests, and they're happy to talk about those things
as well. Yeah, that's what makes us like a whole person, right,

(26:02):
And I think having a little bit of that helps
you to keep that little part of yourself. But it
could be a difficult place. So yeah, people can send
crochet letters. Should we have some clean crochet listeners. This
is probably the part of the podcast where we stop
and make ourselves amenable to capitalism by doing an ad
break one day, like what can people do on June eleventh? Right? Right? Obviously,

(26:36):
like people should keep on this ongoing correspondence. I think
that's really important and I would speaking to someone from
their Leonard Peltier Free Land Peltier group the other day,
and I know a lot of people right to lend
a Peltier and like, I know that that's a great
source of like strength for him, especially as he's like
aging in prison. I was wondering what people could do
on June eleventh, like to sort of further discourse, spread

(26:59):
the word take actions to solidarity, kind of things to
people do June eleventh. Activities. You know, actions and solidarity
really run the gambit UM. You know, it's been very
popular to have like a barbecue or a benefit show
UM thanks to raise money. And then there's UM actions
that more have more in common with UM why some

(27:22):
of these people were incarcerated. Uh, And like if you
check the website June eleven dot org, there is a
list of UM previous actions that people have taken and
the whole gambit of activities that you know, people have
participated in UM. I know, with the revitalization of this

(27:44):
as like an international based solidarity UM, there was an
interest in trying to think outside the box more. You know,
it's it's difficult to like, no one's going to reinvent
the wheel or you know, maybe they that's as much
as they're doing, but um, but there is a variety
different activities and last year theme was sort of like

(28:05):
doing something different than you might normally do to just
diversify what is happening. One of my dreams for June
eleventh is for it to be an opportunity for you know,
our movement prisoners to be integrated into other things. So
it's you know, it doesn't have to just be oh,
this is like the prisoner support activity or like we're

(28:25):
just going to write letters, but you know, people do
things like art shows, um, like momenttioned, Like a lot
of people paint, a lot of people write poetry, and
to integrate that into like maybe already have like you know,
a community around poetry readings or something like that, and
just to bring that into into whatever like little corner

(28:45):
of the world or whatever kind of activities that we're
already involved in. For these things to like reference each other, right,
like we reference our prisoners and they can reference these
things that are happening outside that are like integrating them.
One of the things that since I've been involved, a
lot of times we try to elicit or solicit statements

(29:09):
from the people we represent. I have been to a
number of really wonderful June eleventh activities that have included
an art show, a number of punk shows in various
people's basements. And I think as just an individual, I mean,
first of all, I think it's a great opportunity to

(29:30):
do community building, to do letter writing. But I think
it's also something that even if you are, you know,
relatively isolated, you know, you can just make a commitment today,
I'm going to send five bucks to somebody's commissary. Yeah,
I think. I was looking back at one of Marius's

(29:53):
previous June eleventh statements and one of the things he
referred to was a civil rights attorney that he had
worked with. Was asked, you know, what does the movement
need most, and he responded, everything is everything, meaning you

(30:13):
know anything, any advocacy that you do in one area
will redound to the benefit of all of the rest
of us and all of the other areas. And I
have found that to be true. And I have found
that specifically to be true even in terms of the
legal effects of doing advocacy for Marius has had really

(30:36):
huge benefits for other trans folks who are in prison,
who I've represented, and then doing advocacy for those folks
has had really incredible benefits for Marius. So I mean,
I think it is materially the case that you know,
you struggle where you are, you do what you can
on June eleventh or any other day, and you know

(30:59):
you move the needle, yeah and gets very well. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, June eleventh is specifically for people who have
long sentences, and that's really about like the increased risk
of just kind of like falling to the back burner
as there's new like waves of struggle and UM, you know,
new emergencies and crises all the time. This is an

(31:20):
opportunity to like really take a moment Tom, to really
focus on that memory. And so I hope with June
eleventh we can like kind of build bridges like generationally,
you know, like I wasn't really around with Marius, you know,
during the Green Scare. Marius got arrested, and it's something

(31:41):
that I learned about and got involved in later. UM.
And I hope that you know, with new people that
we meet and new people who like we share projects with, UM,
we can tell them about our prisoners. And also you
know where where I happen to live. There's occasion I
meet somebody who used to Marius from you know, twenty

(32:01):
years ago, and so kind of in both directions like
into the past and into into the future, Like, yeah,
just trying to spread awareness about these people. Yeah, I
think that's yeah. I think it's it's so important to
look at this as part of a long struggle. And
that's you know what what you and Moira are both
talking about in terms of it's it's building connections. It's um,

(32:25):
it's kind of this like the sedimentary layer, uh, that
that creates the actual foundation for for positive change. And
you know, we we have there's this kind of Hollywood
brain thing I think we all have where where we
get bent out of shape when when change doesn't kind
of come and in the form of these kind of

(32:47):
calamitous moments and and uh kind of culminations of struggles
and stuff. But it's it's, you know, the the process
of winning is the process of like part of it
is the process of showing up for the people who
are casualties, you know, who are being who are being

(33:10):
who are suffering the most for it. And part of
it is kind of the way in which that allows
you to kind of build networks of solidarity that are
the necessary foundation for continuing the struggle. Absolutely, I would
say that in the years that I've been doing this work,
one of the most important parts of it is being
really consistent in showing up for the people who are

(33:35):
who are being horrendously punished, because that's the only way
that everybody understands that they will be taken care of. Right.
But speaking of winning, I do have an update if
you have a second on another June eleventh prisoner, Eric King. Yeah,

(33:57):
from my beloved colleague Sandy Freeman, who represented him successfully
recently and got a not guilty verdict for him after
he was charged with assaulting a corrections officer, which is,
I mean, if you know anything about federal indictments, a

(34:19):
magnificent coup. So Eric currently has a Clan Act conspiracy
and Bivens lawsuit pending against more than forty state defendants.
His team is trying to achieve release from the ADX
via a writ of habeas corpus. He's not currently getting

(34:41):
access to communications, visits, or programming, but he is still
strong and resilient and his recent victories are an object
lesson in the fact that we really can fight back
and win. Please donate to his support fund and please

(35:06):
uplift what is happening, because this is the future for
anti fascists in the Bureau of Prisons. Nevertheless, we do
continue to struggle and sometimes even to win, and I
think our stories of triumph are not frequently enough told,
and so one thing that we could do this June

(35:26):
eleventh is try to gather all of those stories and
make sure that those stories do get told. I think
it's really important, like you said, to see these little
victories and not to see it as distinct from a
broadest struggle. Like if we want to do anarchism and
build ways of taking care of each other outside of
the state, then we need to take care of people

(35:46):
who are victimized by the state, and this is part
of doing that. We're proving we could do it by
doing it right. And lec Roba said, like, we're not
going to storm the Winter Palace necessarily. Yeah, we can
build up are in different ways, and this is a
way of doing that. I'm thinking of like more international
like cases. I know, for instance, that where I come from,

(36:09):
the British government fucking loves to put people who volunteered
to fight for the YPG in prison or their parents
if they send the money for food. Which yeah, great country,
but I know that like all over the world, like
in Spain and Catalonia where I've lived, like this is
a thing too. So are there any other like international
cases that you want to sort of draw attention to?

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Currently right now, Alfredo Cospedo in Italy is has been
on hunger strikes since October against the particularly isolating and
particularly repressive forty one these prison, what he calls a
non life and there so a prison that was primarily
used against mafia bosses. But you know, in the classic

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state misinterpreting anarchism has I'm considered Alfredo a leader and
and and particularly and so locked him away UM without
access to almost any means of communication. And uh so
he's he's had a lot of health problems as a
result of this. You know, he was originally locked in

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UM for shooting a nuclear executive in the knee after
some particular callous remarks from him following the Fukushima disaster,
and UM that nuclear companies has ties with UM like
the you know, the larger war machine, the manufacturing of

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of weapons for war UM, and uh, you know, he's
he's caught other charges while being in prison for previously
alleged activities, including just being an anarchist, essentially kind of
what you talked about, UM, the straight criminalizing political sensibilities. UM.
You know, Italy has been doing that. Chile has been

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doing that, UM previously against people like Monica Caballero and
Francisco Solar who have been in and out of prison
for years now and are currently facing more charges for
allegedly sending bombs to police training facilities and such down

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in Chile and in your own England. Toby shown is
someone who got out recently after being receiving terrorists charges
for allegedly being involved in an anarchist website called three
two five and financing terrorism through like accepting donations for

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their work and things like that. But he did not
get convicted of that. He usually got convicted of some
minor drug charges and so he's been released to kind
of a halfway house now, but they continue to try
to mess with his terms of release because of his politics,
because he's an anarchist and unrepentant, they continue to try

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to mess with them. Essentially on the website you know
eleven dot org. There's a page with information about a
lot of prisoners, both in the US and internationally. You
know a little bit about them. Most of them has
their address. If there's a support site with more information
that's linked to it as well. Okay, it's a good
pay place for people to look anything else, you guys

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wanted to get to to discuss issues for incost rated
anarchist people, I guess other ways to support incos rate
to people. I guess. I would like to remind your
listeners that all prosecutions are political, and that people who
are locked away in you know, the cages that are

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the federal facilities and the state and local and county
facilities are all dealing with the same kinds of isolation
and deprivations, and a lot of them have even less
support than some of our long term anarchists political prisoners
and so um. You know. I understand this is a

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a program about June eleventh, and of course I want
to uplift June eleventh, But I would also like to
suggest that to whatever extent you can get involved in
just prisoner support. Yeah, I think that more support for
more prisoners is always a good thing. Yeah, Yeah, be

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in the streets in whatever by whatever means fighting the
society that makes prison in necessity is the longer game, right, Yeah,
you know, related to to what Moe was saying, I
wanted to mention another long term Anicus prisoner, Michael Michael Kimball,
who is in Alabama and just thinking about like how

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how supporting him has resonated to like so many other
people in prison in Alabama. UM, Like the way that
he has been able through the support of know, some
of his friends on the outside, then support like so
many other queer people that he's with UM in Alabama
and been able to collectively organize and like share radical history,

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Like you know, they have a have a role in
it too, and our support for them can like resonate
far beyond just an individual. Yeah. I think that's a
great point. Yeah, and other things to mention, um we
are we have a fundraising goal for Marius this year
twenty five hundred dollars. We're trying to get some bookstores
on board to you know, have some June eleven stickers

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donate a little bit of money. M So go to
your local bookstore and po shop, Red Space, etc. Nice.
Is there any any other resources you guys wanted to
plug social media is an I think that people can
follow to find out. Um. You can follow Marius's support
on Twitter at at support Marius Um. There's also an

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Instagram that I think is at support Marius Mason. I
would also like to plug the concept of not talking
to cops smart also at some social media presence. It's
really only regularly active on the Mastodon account and it's
just at June one one at June eleven. Yeah, that

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