November 18, 2025 • 41 mins
Garrison and Robert examine Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson’s debate over OnlyFans, the incel mindset, and the role of men and women in marriage during their interview.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis joined
by Robert Evans. Last week, I released an episode on
the ascent of white nationalist live streamer Nick Fuentes and
his groper fans among particularly young gen Z Republicans. The
episode also tracked the conservative infighting at Heritage Foundation and
(00:27):
Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire in the aftermath of Tucker Carlson's
Friendly sit Down interview with Nick Fuentes. In the episode,
I mentioned that I had an extra segment covering the
final section of the interview. Now, most coverage of this interview,
including my episode last week, focused on like the first
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two thirds, which ranged from like Nick Fuentes's political background,
early beef with Ben Shapiro and his like Nazisque anti
Semitic theories of a quote unquote organized world jewelry corrupting America,
which he now lightly couches in anti Israel framing to
profit off of the genocide in Palestine. But the last
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third of the interview changes course to discuss the mechanisms
of quote unquote reality distortion which are ruining young men, drugs, alcohol,
the Internet, and most importantly, pornography. After receiving a universal
response demanding the release of the porn cut. I have
(01:32):
sat down with Robert here to finally, finally air what
no other news platform is brave enough, brave enough to cover?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, well, no, what new other news platform can legally
cover because they have a duty to their employees to
not make them research this stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, or like an actual healthy HR department.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, we have not finished our classes on what we're
not allowed to make people do. So said now, to
be fair, Garrison couldn't be stopped from researching this.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
There was no way of stopping you from doing this.
I have a sick drive.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You would have started working for someone else, so we
didn't let you do this.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Now, if if Sophie told me I wasn't allowed to
cover this, I would have quit immediately.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, started working for Wired or someone.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So now I am very pleased to present to you
probably thirty thirty minutes of Nick foint As explaining to
a performatively confused Tucker Carlson the concept of pornography. And
I guess if we're gonna view you know, Fuenttes and
the gropers as like a serious, legitimate threat that's able
to sway national political discourse. I think it's also important
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to cover his weird sexual politics, just as explaining the
weird sexual practices of like, you know, the Proud Boys
is important for understanding their whole deal as like a
neo fascist streak gang, the kind of closeted gay in
cell women. The issues of the gropers is actually really important,
especially for Nick, and let's discuss that. But thankfully we
(03:08):
get to start off with the majority majority of the section,
which is which is on pornography. Let's start one of
the first clips.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
What is porn exactly? Like, describe how available is porn?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
My god?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Because he does ask that like a man who's legitimately
never heard of pornography.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
He does. He later says like, obviously he is familiar
with the rough concept of porn, uh huh, but maybe not,
but maybe not this sort of internet porn obsession, to
which Nick refers, let's let's skip ahead about a minute
where where Nick kind of closes on his explanation of
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Internet porn specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So, something that is almost ever talked about is that
this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think
because of pornography and some people are able to cope
with it. Some people don't have a problem, but I
think a lot of people, and maybe the small minority,
have a serious problem with it.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
And the problem people sexually dysfunctional.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think that it's impossible for a real woman to
compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So that is that is Nick's kind of ending argument
at the tail end of his definition of porn and
how porn is affecting specifically American men. A little bit
of his in cel status is obviously seeping through there.
More of it will become increasingly evident throughout throughout this interview.
But this idea of sexual dysfunction, how porn is ruining
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men's ability to get into relationships, is ruining the ability
to get into marriages, lasting marriages, and it. He frames
this kind of slightly as the fault of men, but
also really as the fault of women. Women aren't able
to compete with how much porn there is, the different
categories of porn. How can one woman please a man
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when a man can go on to the internet and
look up, you know, fifty different Niche fetishes that not
one woman could provide. Yeah, and that's part of his
argument at this point.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, and that's always like been the Okay, so you've
just you've never had a relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Which Nick is open about at least Nick claims that, right. Yeah,
It's unclear how true a lot of Nick's claims are
about his like in cell vall cell in voluntary celibate, Yeah,
a type deal, But no Nick, Nick does claim that,
and the sort of pushback Nick will receive later on
in the interview on some of these aspects is actually
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way stronger than any of the world jewelry, anti semitic
stuff from earlier in the interview. Yeah, which Carlson was
vague actually kind of like trying to shape Nick quent
as his rhetoric to make him like appeal to a
bigger audience, but did not really push back on to
the same extent he does on a Nick's like relationship
with women. But the sexual dysfunction aspect, I think is
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the is the ending argument for Nick here in terms
of what actually makes porn bad. He extrapolates on this
point in this next section which I'll play Now.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Porn is you could have one hundred different women in
one sitting doing anything that whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing
a person might be into. It's there, and so I
think that novelty combined with that availability and makes it
so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman,
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juice isn't worth the squeeze. So there's like also a
problem of like a rectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy
regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity
the novelty and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation.
And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal
sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of
(07:16):
people gay too, Yeah, and trans you think that's true?
Speaker 6 (07:19):
One?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
What is that?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Oh my god, what is that?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I don't even know where to start there.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I mean, like it's it's what these people have always believed,
right that, Like that's the There's got to be an explanation,
some kind of cause why people like things that that
they're not allowed to admit to liking in public. And
it's got to be the fault of pornography, right, or
libraries whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Every time Tucker interjects the beauty of his of his
little like befuddled interjections, what is that? Is that real?
Is that true. It's it's fantastic, but yeah, no, I
mean Nick kind of blames the rise in homosexuality and
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transsexuality on this like novelty of pornography and this sexual desensitization.
Like once regular porn it doesn't do it for people.
They get pushed to more and more extreme categories, of
which transporn is somehow particularly effective at like influencing and
you know, manipulating human behavior. Right, this is like the
(08:29):
sissy hypno theory that porn can like make somebody trans. Yeah,
very goofy stuff. Specifically for Nick considering his curious catboy
background and his alleged leak viewership of transporn, which might
we might discuss later. I'm going to play play another
clip kind of on this note, a shorter one.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography
multiple times per day, which many people do, actually, oh absolutely,
that's a lot of druk.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
That's a huge problem.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Lot of cherking off.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Former Fox News anchor Tucker.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Car jerking off.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, that's a lot of chirk it off. I so badly,
I just wanted to cut some of these clips out
of like out of contact, just put them in my
other episode.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Tucker only comes once a year, and he can only
come by wrapping his dick inside of two frozen Swanson's meals.
He's got to kind of use like, you know how
it's got like there's a little diffits on the back end.
He's got to use that to cushion his penis. It's
the only way he can come.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's a fairly edipal thing with his you know, family business.
This this sort of like psychosexual drive. Wow, the Swans
of it all. Of course that makes sense for Yeah,
that makes sense for Tucker. But Nonick says that porn
like operates kind of like drug tolerance levels, which like
over time after repetitive use, in order to get high,
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the user must seek out strong drugs or dangerously intense doses,
of which he views transport. Is this like dangerous dose?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, because I do love like the the through line
with these people that like both this is like a
sickening degeneracy and also is so appealing that people absolutely
cannot help themselves to it, like it affects them like heroin.
It's it's it's so inherently attractive.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, so some of that might be their actual
proclivities kind of yes, I think, kind of peeking out
from under the surface there, because all of these guys
love watching transport, all of these like anti trans people,
whether it's Alex Jones or like Nick Fuentes, Like obviously
they have they have an interest in that, and that's
what kind of drives them of their obsession.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, which is it's it's just weird, Like I don't
know anyone who talks about any pornography that way, Like
you know, every everyone's got whatever it is they're into,
like something that they'll be particularly interested in, but no
one describes as like it's just this kind of thing
no one can resisted obviously.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Sort of like powerful obsessive nature in which these types
of right wing freaks like refer to it as the.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Like actual perverts will say stuff like no, no, no,
I've been shoving things inside my phole for the last
twenty seven years and now I can get up to
something the width of a mag light and I know
that's crazy, Like I know no one else does that.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That's just a me faith.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Oh, someone needs to explain sounding to Tucker Carlson, is
what I'm what I'm saying, Like I if, I if
he interviews me, I'm gonna walk him through sounding I'm
gonna use together a PowerPoint with photos.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He's obviously he's obviously uh open open to this line
of discussion. Are we allowed to have ads on this episode?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Probably not, but let's throw to him anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
All right, we are we are. Nick Fuentes is gonna
continue continue to describe pornography towards a slightly confused Tucker Carlston. Now,
now Nick is able to really speak from a sense
of authority as someone who claims to have never had sex,
He's able to really speak with authority on this topic,
which I will, I will. I'll play this next clip.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And there's something too about what it does when you
look at it, when you because people don't realize that
it is a fundamentally different experience.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
People don't realize being.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And I think that actually does something to you. Tell me,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Sorry, I'm just stop there for a sec. People don't
realize this amazing observation from alleged version in cell Nick Fuentes,
He's trying to make this point about like body depersonalization
or like disassociation when watching porns like this, like out
of body experience because you start associating yourself with people
(13:03):
on screen. That's eventually what he starts talking about, right,
And but he couches this in saying that, like, people
don't realize that this is what this is, you know,
different from actual sex, which is really funny because Nick
is proudly proclaims that he's never had sex before, so
he is in no position to argue at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No, Yeah, that's the other thing. How would you know
that it's inherently better than sex, Like.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Because he's never had I think that he has to
assume that because that's the only information he has. But
I love his framing of this is like new novel
information that no one else has access to, that no
one realizes that watching port is different from having sex. Yeah,
Tucker's response is just phenomenal at the end of this,
because Tucker's like trying trying to coax more and more
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shit out of him. It's really the only time where
he's kind of being a sly interviewer is at this
ending porn section. It's not the it's not the are
you a fed section. It's not the Daily Wires stuff,
it's not the anti Semitism stuff, it's it's specifically the
port section. But to explain this like out of body
(14:07):
theory that Nick that Nick has here, Unfortunately, Nick gets
into trying to explain the Blanchardian theory of trend sexuality
towards towards Tucker Carlson, of which I will only play
a certain segment of because we don't need to hear
that whole thing. But there is a section of this
(14:27):
next clip that which we'll get into that as well
as take you on kind of a beautiful journey showcasing
Tucker's objection to pornography.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I think that you know, for example, I think Steve
Sailor has written about this that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals,
and he says a one kind of transsexual is somebody
that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman's
auto ginophilia. Yes, And I think that you know one
of the theories for that is you you watch a
man having sex with a woman that is in you
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so much, you kind of achieve an identity with the
woman in like a worstic way. You almost identify with
the woman, and so there's weird things that happen when
you're watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Interesting, Nick, that's.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Interesting stuff, Nick.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I've always been I've sensed for a long time having
had a lot of young male employees mentioned porn as
a problem. I mean, the big porn companies give visibility
to foreign intel services on the.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Back foot, so that means people know what.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
You're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you watching.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, all right, there's so much I love that Tucker's made.
Objection to photography isn't the stuff that Nick's talking about
at all, but the idea that it poses a security
risk because of foreign intel services.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, that they're they're recording everyone masturbating.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
To blackmail every single person on the planet. And he
couches us and saying that he's quote not a huge
expert on the topic. Yeah, which is really good. But
to go back a little bit, the level of projection
Nick is doing here with this identifying as a woman
in the in the porn thing is simply phenomenal. I mean,
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especially considering the whole you know, catboys scandal, which I
covered on the show like years ago as when I
was like a baby, as well as Nick's like alleged
trans porn league, which I guess I'll explain to here briefly.
This was in twenty twenty two. Nick allegedly was operating
a SoC puppet Twitter account when he was banned on Twitter.
(16:36):
This this account shared a clip scrolling through Nick Fuentes
like analytics, like video analytics, like search of analytics, showing
his popularity. And when scrolling through these various tabs, a
little section of a tab that that didn't did not
get into full view, but you get you saw the
bottom of it which looked a lot like a very
specific trans femboy porn video on porn hub. People found
(16:59):
that video, and after they found the video, you know this,
This this post with these analytics was like taken down
and this account was believed to be operated by Nick Fuentez. Now,
Nick claims that he obviously was not behind this account,
that this was some like a groper fan who was
trying to set him up for scandal by operating an
account that appeared to be Nick's account on Twitter but
(17:20):
actually wasn't. I Robert, I will show you a little
bit of this analytics video we don't need to see
the whole thing. But it's like this, okay, so various
various tabs. Look, look at all these tabs. This various,
Like when does Jake Lloyd explore what comparing his popularity
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towards other other like commentators.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He was comparing his popularity to fucking Jake Lloyd from
the Face.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And Menace from the Phantom Menace.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
You should be beating him, Nick.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But like web traffic analytics Joe Ken to Google trends
and then let's see if I can find it right
right here at the top. Yeah, right here at the top.
Was scrolling through the tabs on the iPhone. Safari is
a a little peorn tab, right yeah. So this this
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turned into a little, a little mini thing with people
thinking that they secretly stumbled across the Knick's porn porn
watching habits, of which it would be no surprise that
he'd be watching transfenboy porn, especially again considering that he
operated a catboy discord channel on his server. But he
has staunchly denied this, as you know, as a based
(18:35):
Catholic in cell obviously, so both Tucker and Nick believe
that porn is a big factor affecting the decline of
actual sex and marriage among gen Z. And it's not
just a male problem. Nick argues that it has become
a quote unquote so destigmatized for women to participate in
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porn as well, of which he's mostly referring to only fans.
Here's a clip of them discuss it only fans.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And it is completely casual, you know, because you could
say that maybe ten years ago, even at the heyday
of internet porn, to be in porn, you got to
be a porn star, Like that's your life and that's
your career, and that's who you are. And it's very
shameful with only fans. It's like it's like having a TikTok.
It's like here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account,
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here's my Facebook out, here's my YouTube, and here's.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
My only fans. Why would any of this be legal?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I think that, well, there's, like you indicated, maybe there's
an intelligence benefit to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political
benefit to that. I think that, well, why wouldn't you
arrest the people who run something like that? They should
be if you had a Christian government, or how about
government and cares about its people. I mean, is Iron
a bigger threat or is only fans? A Ron's not
(19:57):
turning my daughters to prostitution, I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Of right, Oh my god, is Iron a bigger threat
or is only fans?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yes, that's the real geopolitical question the wisest minds.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
No, what a what a beautiful mind that is?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, like even be able to think of the sentence.
Is Iran a bigger threat than only fans?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Like I could never even get myself to a point
where where I conjured that thought in my own head.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
We have to ban pornography because it's the Iran of masturbation.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's frankly beautiful in order to get their minds so
so degraded to even have this thought, it's so alien,
man like. Later, Tucker pushes kind of on this point
about the need to arrest people who run only fans,
while Nick kind of quietly remarks that it's it's really
the women or the quote unquote body assets who should
(20:55):
be arrested. But Tucker Tucker is pretty firm on no,
it's really like the facilitators, people hosting the website or
enabling this. But you know, Nick and Nick would be
totally fine if women on the platform also get arrested.
Man Ah. Again, the insistence that the primary objection or
like a causal a causal aspect of why why is
(21:17):
this allowed? It's for like intelligence gathering services is simply beautiful?
Do you know what else is beautiful? Robert?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
The sponsors of this podcast, they are for putting up
with this.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah, all right, we're back.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Before this final segment, we will we will transcend the
discussion of porn and and just talk more about some
of Nick's opinions on on like women, oh good, and
other factors beyond porn. For why you know, marriage is
a happening? Why aren't people getting married as much anymore?
(22:04):
You know, of which both Tucker and Nick think porn
is a factor. But there's other factors contributing to this crisis,
which Nick and Tucker will will elucidate. Let's hear him out.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
So what are the.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Other factors that prevent I'm sorry I called you gay,
by the way, but I'm always I think I'm just
too old or something. I'm like, what, why is anyone married?
You tell me why isn't Why an't people married?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women, all right, oh, okay,
we solve that problem.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Uh, yeah, that's it. I think that does it for us,
that it could happen here. They got to the bottom
of that pretty quickly. Sorry I called you gay, by
the way, So no. Now it's time for the wise
in selsation, Nick Fuentes to bestow his wisdom pertaining to
relationships and marriage, and in his eyes, the main problem
seems to be that not just women, but specifically that
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women are too liberal. Yeah, really breaking new ground there.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, sure, that's uh, that's it. That's the problem because
then they don't like all of the Nick flintest fans.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
The men are extremely conservative increasingly, the women are extremely liberal.
What are they liberal on? What issues?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Like?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
What does that mean liberal?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
On on out?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They're very feminist, like actually extremely feminist. Yeah, I don't
believe that, do they? I think they do, really absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I can't believe that gender rules are a construct, that
none of this is inborn, Like you have to be
an idiot to think that they like the idea of it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Tucker's delivery. I want to study it more.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I feel like they sketched some of this out before
they did this, because I feel like they're both leading
each other to get out statements that they want to say.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, yeah, it's so crafted here, like they're back and
forth exchange is so is so crafted. Every every inflection
they have, they're like giving each other these key points
to then extrap laid on.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, and there's the stuff that's willful, like the claims
that well, young men are conservative, which is based on
like a shift towards Trump that's partly reversed over the
last year or so, but that was not the vast
majority of gen Z people, right, Like, it's it's yeah,
young people are willing to like try out different things
(24:22):
and swing back and forth. But like, it's not it's
not the way he's framing it, right, because that's that's
the most convenient narrative for the right, that like all
of the young men are pulling towards the right, and
so the problem is that women are more progressive, right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, therefore it has to be liberal women. Yeah, right, No,
it's it's a very it's a very convenient excuse to
explain actually a complex set of economic problems which are
preventing people from feeling comfortable enough to actually start a
family and you know, safe enough economically speaking. Nick goes
on to complain about, you know, women lying about wanting equality,
(24:57):
wanting to work, when really all they want is a
quote unquote tough chad quote. The whole political system is
based around women never being accountable for any of their
choices unquote. This is namely abortion and no false divorce,
which Nick spends a while talking about how that has
been a significant contributing factor towards ruining this country. How
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women can enter marriages and leave for whatever reason they want,
taking half the money, taking half the stuff, etc. Etc.
There's another factor that Nick claims is is contributing to
this problem.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think
people call it hope flation, their inflation. Yes, their sense
of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I just had to put the wheflation clip in there.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
The hope flation, Yes, Tucker Carlson saying, hope flation. It's
truly a moment for us all.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah. Again, I really want to just displice some of
these soundbits into my other episode at random points. Now again,
Tucker actually pushes back in some of like the in
between sections here, and I'll play some of that pushback later.
But you know, way more than the rest of the interview,
So specifically, here Tucker is actually pushing back on Nick's
(26:13):
kind of resigned blame directed towards women and the quote
unquote legal incentive structures that he says are contributing to this.
And Tucker responds by saying, even if some of these
complaints are true, as believers in the natural patriarchy, isn't
it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and
to fix this behavior in women through marriage.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But I would say that because I hear this all
the time. People say, well, the men need to step
up and be better and lead the women easier said
than done.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Go on, you know, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
They're at war with the system, and not even just
the system, but also society.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So this is this is the full like joker piled
and sale stuff, is that in order to have an
actual relationship with women, men have to enter into con
against quote unquote society. Right like this, it is larger.
It's larger thing that's influencing women and is making them,
you know, depraved and liberal. And Nick argues that even
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if you find like a nice trad Christian girl, they're
gonna be on TikTok. They're gonna be on Instagram and
they're going to be quote unquote talking to other women,
and through osmosis, they're gonna get influenced by this liberal
culture and say, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the line,
people will change and they may not be so Christian
and trad twenty years into your marriage because of society.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Huh yeah, I mean, I guess that's the argument I
expected from him.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
He'll extratholate some of his reasoning here.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists,
the ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think eventually
the pressure from society kind of gets to them, and
a lot of them will go into.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Depends what husbands they have. I mean, if there's real
leadership at home. I don't know a single happily married
who's liberal, not one. I know a lot of married women.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Here's some of the pushback that Tucker is doing now.
But yeah, man, this idea of you know, the women
as the ultimate conformists is the enforcers of social norms, right,
This is like kind of like the long House type stuff.
And Tucker's rebuke of that is that in an actual
you know, marriage with a conservative man, a strong conservative man,
all that behavior will get changed because people will fall
(28:27):
into like their natural biological patriarchal roles. But Nick still
doesn't buy it. Like he is he is he is
an insul at heart. Here's no way that that Tucker's
kind of pushback, it's gonna it's gonna turn him on this.
Like Nick just hates women entirely. This whole motivation is
that due to some sort of like fascist homo erotic
(28:48):
like aspect, maybe, but it's it's probably even more complicated
than that. I mean, part of the fascist fenboy thing
is people who actually aren't even gay but just hate
women so much that they end up being gay because
that's like the only mode of connection they can even
or like physical connection. They can even like muster themselves
to do, which I explained in that episode from you
(29:09):
know a few years ago when I was a baby.
But yeah, this is definitely some stuff at play here,
and I mean Nick will always just find new things
to complain about in regards to this sort of stuff,
like the quote unquote epidemic of simps.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
So like maybe the job is to make a girl
happy and like all this nonsense ends.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think that that could be a bottomless pit too,
because my critique I have of the men is, and
you're right about this, they enable this behavior.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Well, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's epidemic of simps who and especially with Christians, I've
noticed this epidemic of sex.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, that's that's something else.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Marriage has this bottomless pit. Like I also love.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
The idea that Tucker's like, well, why are men just
making women happy? And you know the answer there for
Tucker is that people like you are not capable of
making other people happy. But Nick can't even consider that
because the idea of women being happy is deeply offensive
to him.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
No, I mean Nick says that simp culture, or more specifically,
a backlash to simp culture, is why people like Andrew
Tate have gotten so popular despite being a quote unquote
Muslim polchemist, because Tate is quote putting a women in
their place unquote, as opposed to Christian men who are
tone policing each other and are worshiping women and worshiping
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their wives, which Tucker pushes back on a bit by
saying that the New Testament commands men to love their
wives and that wives respect their husbands. We got only
two more at clips left, but I think they are
very revealing, all right, as much else needs to be
revealed here.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I do think I've just noticed this that men who
stay unmarried for too long become like kind of fragile.
There's something about the given take. There's something about living
with In fact, I think it's the key to life
someone you don't fully understand. That broadens you, that keeps
you always thinking, That makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful,
(31:14):
more self aware, uh, and more flexible.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And those are all good qualities.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
And the and the absence of that, like in homosexuality,
or like men who are single too long, they get
very rigid.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Have you ever noticed this?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Have you ever noticed this?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
I like things the way I like them, and they
just get like no, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You don't
want that really, because that's who you are. Nick.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I would say that when when you say you don't
fully understand women. To me, I feel like women are
very simple in terms of you ever lived with one?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
I haven't lived with them, but I.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Meant, oh, man, women are really simple. Have you ever
lived with one? No?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's really funny up until the assuming all gay pe
fully the same bit. Tucker's making a good point, which
is that like part of what's healthy about relationships is
like living with someone who's not like you, right, just
like that makes us better people.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
And he's very clearly trying to like like push Nick's
buttons here, Yeah, because he knows, he knows, he knows,
because Nick's getting called out because yeah, he's this angry,
unmarried guy. He's this like yeah, little little unhinged freak. Yeah.
Oh and yeah, he's like getting he's absolutely getting called
out here. And it's funny that this is the thing
(32:33):
out of the out of the entire interview that that
that Tucker really tries to harp on. It's it's this
married thing, Like he really wants Nick to get married.
That's kind of the main thing he's really pushing for
by the end of this interview.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, bro, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Have you ever lived with one? Well no, no, of
course not. It's wild. I mean well, later Nick tries
to argue that, you know, it's it's really the men
who are complicated, because men have a quote deep can
to math and space unquote.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Sure, yeah, man, I love my deep connection to math
and space.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, Robert's so good at math and space.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, it's really my strong suits math and space. Anyone
that knows you, I would say, every man I know
is good at math and space.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Versus you know, women just operate on primal base in course. Yes,
Nick says quote men are masters of the universe, women
are the universe, which I think is a quote from
someone else.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, god, yeah, you're a real master of
the universe, Nick.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
This will be the final clip where Tucker will offer
a little bit more pushback towards Nick on some of
his views about women and marriage. You've got a pretty
clear look into into Nick's an interiority here as well.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
So, but anyway, but what are the point of men
want to talk past each other constantly? They don't always
know what the other one is saying, and that frustration
actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I
would say, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I personally find women very frustrated when they are not expressing,
and I.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Just view that as any of it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I see.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
The way I look at is like when you look
at your favorite TV shows, right, the Sopranos Breaking Bad,
It's like the wife is the villain, because it's like
the main character, if the wife could just get out
of the way, would be running the show. And that's
kind of how I feel like iin rand I agree
with her about this. She said that the wife's role
(34:37):
is like hero worship. The guy is the hero. The
guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror or whatever,
and the woman is really supposed to support the man's
goals and be in his world.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
And I van that's the well House.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Thing successful men need is more power worship, more, a
hero worship more. You're so great when you get that
at work, you don't want that at home. You become
an unbeara pray destroys every successful man, which is hubrist,
Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's
not interested in what you do at all, only interested
in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise.
(35:13):
That's how you know your own limits.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
That's shockingly good advice from Tucker Carlson, Like this, this
is so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
This is so beautiful to me. When Tucker Carlson is
the voice of reason, it's it's really really scary weak. Yeah,
but no, so clearly is next like a closet and
gay in cell showing here, well, like, well, Tucker pains
pains to explain to Nick why people actually get into
(35:42):
a relationships. Yeah, and Nick just can't do it. He
starts talking about the Sopranos and fucking breaking bad. That's
like the only framework in which you could understand this,
because he's never had a real relationship. The wife is
the villain, I agree with ein Rand. Yeah, famously well
(36:02):
adjusted in the relationship department. Iin Rand, the wife's role
is hero worship. And Tucker's like, oh my god, No,
that's horrible. Oh no, that's that's what ruins people, that
destroys people. It's fascinating. No, yeah, this is a this
is a truly fascinating exchange. And it's really telling that
this is the thing that Tucker pushes back on, not
(36:23):
the anti semitism, but she like kind of tepidly offered
Nick advice on how to change his rhetoric to be
more appealing, but did not push back on the substance
of it, because Tucker is actually just as anti semitic
as Nick is. Yeah, but no, this is this is
the thing that he that he decided to do, and yeah,
like my initial feeling after watching this whole two hour
and eighteen minute stream is like this whole stream or
(36:45):
this whole episode felt like Tucker was kind of trying
to be some sort of mentor figure to Neck or
saw that Nick might be the future in some way,
like might be the whether whether it's the future of
the party or future of like you know, this sort
of like commentating class or style, and it kind of
wanted to offer a little bit of a guiding light
towards someone who I think Tucker does see, as you know,
(37:06):
having some obvious issues and saying some nasty things and
wanting to kind of write that course in a way
or provide Nick a bit of a fresh start to
restate some of his views on the biggest right wing
platform online, which is which is Tucker's show right now.
I guess that's kind of That's kind of all I
have on this women in Poorn section. I guess the
(37:26):
last thing before we close, there is this question right
with people in the GOP who are scared about Nick's
Nick's influence at least in the commentating classroom among like interns. Yeah,
but specifically scared of it one because of the you know,
anti Israel stuff, but also if that's going to hurt
them electorally. Right, A lot of people couch this and saying, well,
you know, these views aren't popular with the electorate. Republicans
(37:48):
are never going to win elections if this Graper thing
takes over and that leaves us, you know, people who
are against against you know, the rise of fascism and
authoritary in kind of a weird spot because I don't
think we can really do anything to encourage like the
gropperification of the GOP like an accelerationist fashion, but we
(38:10):
can kind of let it happen. Yeah, we can choose
to just let it happen, or we can choose to
kind of stop it in like the twenty seventeen Antifa,
you know framework of like trying to prevent this stuff
from spreading because it will always lead to bad things.
And Yeah, after doing all this research last week and
really continuing into this week too, I mean, Trump just
(38:31):
gave a statement in support of Talker and saying that
he should get the word out about Nick Fuentes. I've
continued to be looking at this stuff and can we
even stop it though? At this point? Right, like how
much of the Antifa project like even succeeded considering where
we are now politically right. But no, there certainly is
this like internal debate in terms of letting this stuff
(38:52):
happen versus trying to actively oppose this like groper takeover
of the GOP.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's realistically anything that
we can do to influence how popular Nick Fuintz is
on the right. Like if you just start screaming about
how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince
a lot of people. Oh well, the left hates him.
That must mean you know he's our guy.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Likewise, I don't know. I don't think it's our place.
I think it's our place to make sure people know
what Nick actually stands for. That if there's some sort
of like whitewashing of his character that they attempt to
do in order to make this more electorally viable, that
people are aware of, like how how unhinged this guy is,
I don't think. I don't think the kind of shit
(39:39):
Nick is saying here will will do well when exposed
to the body politic as a whole, because it's nuts.
But that said, like, I don't think you can you're
going to scold your way out of this.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
No, No, And I guess part of the education is
making sure people have a more full understanding of Nick
fuint has his views on women and his uh yeah,
and his little conversation on pornography. I think that actually
is important because all of these guys are weird little
in cell freaks.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yes, and people don't like how weird they are when
they're confronted with it. No, right, Mostly what they're concerned
about is whether or not there are jobs and shit
is more or less expensive. They don't want some weirdo
telling them that living with women will make them weaker.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, even even Tucker doesn't like that. Yeah, well, I
think that does it for us today. At it could
Happen Here?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Great.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I hope this episode is something.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, I hope it's something too.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis joined
by Robert Evans. Last week, I released an episode on
the ascent of white nationalist live streamer Nick Fuentes and
his groper fans among particularly young gen Z Republicans. The
episode also tracked the conservative infighting at Heritage Foundation and
(00:27):
Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire in the aftermath of Tucker Carlson's
Friendly sit Down interview with Nick Fuentes. In the episode,
I mentioned that I had an extra segment covering the
final section of the interview. Now, most coverage of this interview,
including my episode last week, focused on like the first
(00:49):
two thirds, which ranged from like Nick Fuentes's political background,
early beef with Ben Shapiro and his like Nazisque anti
Semitic theories of a quote unquote organized world jewelry corrupting America,
which he now lightly couches in anti Israel framing to
profit off of the genocide in Palestine. But the last
(01:11):
third of the interview changes course to discuss the mechanisms
of quote unquote reality distortion which are ruining young men, drugs, alcohol,
the Internet, and most importantly, pornography. After receiving a universal
response demanding the release of the porn cut. I have
(01:32):
sat down with Robert here to finally, finally air what
no other news platform is brave enough, brave enough to cover?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, well, no, what new other news platform can legally
cover because they have a duty to their employees to
not make them research this stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, or like an actual healthy HR department.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, we have not finished our classes on what we're
not allowed to make people do. So said now, to
be fair, Garrison couldn't be stopped from researching this.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
There was no way of stopping you from doing this.
I have a sick drive.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You would have started working for someone else, so we
didn't let you do this.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Now, if if Sophie told me I wasn't allowed to
cover this, I would have quit immediately.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, started working for Wired or someone.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So now I am very pleased to present to you
probably thirty thirty minutes of Nick foint As explaining to
a performatively confused Tucker Carlson the concept of pornography. And
I guess if we're gonna view you know, Fuenttes and
the gropers as like a serious, legitimate threat that's able
to sway national political discourse. I think it's also important
(02:43):
to cover his weird sexual politics, just as explaining the
weird sexual practices of like, you know, the Proud Boys
is important for understanding their whole deal as like a
neo fascist streak gang, the kind of closeted gay in
cell women. The issues of the gropers is actually really important,
especially for Nick, and let's discuss that. But thankfully we
(03:08):
get to start off with the majority majority of the section,
which is which is on pornography. Let's start one of
the first clips.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
What is porn exactly? Like, describe how available is porn?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
My god?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Because he does ask that like a man who's legitimately
never heard of pornography.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
He does. He later says like, obviously he is familiar
with the rough concept of porn, uh huh, but maybe not,
but maybe not this sort of internet porn obsession, to
which Nick refers, let's let's skip ahead about a minute
where where Nick kind of closes on his explanation of
(03:56):
Internet porn specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So, something that is almost ever talked about is that
this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think
because of pornography and some people are able to cope
with it. Some people don't have a problem, but I
think a lot of people, and maybe the small minority,
have a serious problem with it.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
And the problem people sexually dysfunctional.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think that it's impossible for a real woman to
compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So that is that is Nick's kind of ending argument
at the tail end of his definition of porn and
how porn is affecting specifically American men. A little bit
of his in cel status is obviously seeping through there.
More of it will become increasingly evident throughout throughout this interview.
But this idea of sexual dysfunction, how porn is ruining
(04:53):
men's ability to get into relationships, is ruining the ability
to get into marriages, lasting marriages, and it. He frames
this kind of slightly as the fault of men, but
also really as the fault of women. Women aren't able
to compete with how much porn there is, the different
categories of porn. How can one woman please a man
(05:15):
when a man can go on to the internet and
look up, you know, fifty different Niche fetishes that not
one woman could provide. Yeah, and that's part of his
argument at this point.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, and that's always like been the Okay, so you've
just you've never had a relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Which Nick is open about at least Nick claims that, right. Yeah,
It's unclear how true a lot of Nick's claims are
about his like in cell vall cell in voluntary celibate, Yeah,
a type deal, But no Nick, Nick does claim that,
and the sort of pushback Nick will receive later on
in the interview on some of these aspects is actually
(05:56):
way stronger than any of the world jewelry, anti semitic
stuff from earlier in the interview. Yeah, which Carlson was
vague actually kind of like trying to shape Nick quent
as his rhetoric to make him like appeal to a
bigger audience, but did not really push back on to
the same extent he does on a Nick's like relationship
with women. But the sexual dysfunction aspect, I think is
(06:18):
the is the ending argument for Nick here in terms
of what actually makes porn bad. He extrapolates on this
point in this next section which I'll play Now.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Porn is you could have one hundred different women in
one sitting doing anything that whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing
a person might be into. It's there, and so I
think that novelty combined with that availability and makes it
so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman,
(06:54):
juice isn't worth the squeeze. So there's like also a
problem of like a rectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy
regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity
the novelty and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation.
And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal
sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of
(07:16):
people gay too, Yeah, and trans you think that's true?
Speaker 6 (07:19):
One?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
What is that?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Oh my god, what is that?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I don't even know where to start there.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I mean, like it's it's what these people have always believed,
right that, Like that's the There's got to be an explanation,
some kind of cause why people like things that that
they're not allowed to admit to liking in public. And
it's got to be the fault of pornography, right, or
libraries whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Every time Tucker interjects the beauty of his of his
little like befuddled interjections, what is that? Is that real?
Is that true. It's it's fantastic, but yeah, no, I
mean Nick kind of blames the rise in homosexuality and
(08:08):
transsexuality on this like novelty of pornography and this sexual desensitization.
Like once regular porn it doesn't do it for people.
They get pushed to more and more extreme categories, of
which transporn is somehow particularly effective at like influencing and
you know, manipulating human behavior. Right, this is like the
(08:29):
sissy hypno theory that porn can like make somebody trans. Yeah,
very goofy stuff. Specifically for Nick considering his curious catboy
background and his alleged leak viewership of transporn, which might
we might discuss later. I'm going to play play another
clip kind of on this note, a shorter one.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography
multiple times per day, which many people do, actually, oh absolutely,
that's a lot of druk.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
That's a huge problem.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Lot of cherking off.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Former Fox News anchor Tucker.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Car jerking off.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, that's a lot of chirk it off. I so badly,
I just wanted to cut some of these clips out
of like out of contact, just put them in my
other episode.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Tucker only comes once a year, and he can only
come by wrapping his dick inside of two frozen Swanson's meals.
He's got to kind of use like, you know how
it's got like there's a little diffits on the back end.
He's got to use that to cushion his penis. It's
the only way he can come.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's a fairly edipal thing with his you know, family business.
This this sort of like psychosexual drive. Wow, the Swans
of it all. Of course that makes sense for Yeah,
that makes sense for Tucker. But Nonick says that porn
like operates kind of like drug tolerance levels, which like
over time after repetitive use, in order to get high,
(09:58):
the user must seek out strong drugs or dangerously intense doses,
of which he views transport. Is this like dangerous dose?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, because I do love like the the through line
with these people that like both this is like a
sickening degeneracy and also is so appealing that people absolutely
cannot help themselves to it, like it affects them like heroin.
It's it's it's so inherently attractive.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, so some of that might be their actual
proclivities kind of yes, I think, kind of peeking out
from under the surface there, because all of these guys
love watching transport, all of these like anti trans people,
whether it's Alex Jones or like Nick Fuentes, Like obviously
they have they have an interest in that, and that's
what kind of drives them of their obsession.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, which is it's it's just weird, Like I don't
know anyone who talks about any pornography that way, Like
you know, every everyone's got whatever it is they're into,
like something that they'll be particularly interested in, but no
one describes as like it's just this kind of thing
no one can resisted obviously.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Sort of like powerful obsessive nature in which these types
of right wing freaks like refer to it as the.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Like actual perverts will say stuff like no, no, no,
I've been shoving things inside my phole for the last
twenty seven years and now I can get up to
something the width of a mag light and I know
that's crazy, Like I know no one else does that.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That's just a me faith.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Oh, someone needs to explain sounding to Tucker Carlson, is
what I'm what I'm saying, Like I if, I if
he interviews me, I'm gonna walk him through sounding I'm
gonna use together a PowerPoint with photos.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He's obviously he's obviously uh open open to this line
of discussion. Are we allowed to have ads on this episode?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Probably not, but let's throw to him anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
All right, we are we are. Nick Fuentes is gonna
continue continue to describe pornography towards a slightly confused Tucker Carlston. Now,
now Nick is able to really speak from a sense
of authority as someone who claims to have never had sex,
He's able to really speak with authority on this topic,
which I will, I will. I'll play this next clip.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And there's something too about what it does when you
look at it, when you because people don't realize that
it is a fundamentally different experience.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
People don't realize being.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And I think that actually does something to you. Tell me,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Sorry, I'm just stop there for a sec. People don't
realize this amazing observation from alleged version in cell Nick Fuentes,
He's trying to make this point about like body depersonalization
or like disassociation when watching porns like this, like out
of body experience because you start associating yourself with people
(13:03):
on screen. That's eventually what he starts talking about, right,
And but he couches this in saying that, like, people
don't realize that this is what this is, you know,
different from actual sex, which is really funny because Nick
is proudly proclaims that he's never had sex before, so
he is in no position to argue at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No, Yeah, that's the other thing. How would you know
that it's inherently better than sex, Like.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Because he's never had I think that he has to
assume that because that's the only information he has. But
I love his framing of this is like new novel
information that no one else has access to, that no
one realizes that watching port is different from having sex. Yeah,
Tucker's response is just phenomenal at the end of this,
because Tucker's like trying trying to coax more and more
(13:46):
shit out of him. It's really the only time where
he's kind of being a sly interviewer is at this
ending porn section. It's not the it's not the are
you a fed section. It's not the Daily Wires stuff,
it's not the anti Semitism stuff, it's it's specifically the
port section. But to explain this like out of body
(14:07):
theory that Nick that Nick has here, Unfortunately, Nick gets
into trying to explain the Blanchardian theory of trend sexuality
towards towards Tucker Carlson, of which I will only play
a certain segment of because we don't need to hear
that whole thing. But there is a section of this
(14:27):
next clip that which we'll get into that as well
as take you on kind of a beautiful journey showcasing
Tucker's objection to pornography.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I think that you know, for example, I think Steve
Sailor has written about this that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals,
and he says a one kind of transsexual is somebody
that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman's
auto ginophilia. Yes, And I think that you know one
of the theories for that is you you watch a
man having sex with a woman that is in you
(14:56):
so much, you kind of achieve an identity with the
woman in like a worstic way. You almost identify with
the woman, and so there's weird things that happen when
you're watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Interesting, Nick, that's.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Interesting stuff, Nick.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I've always been I've sensed for a long time having
had a lot of young male employees mentioned porn as
a problem. I mean, the big porn companies give visibility
to foreign intel services on the.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Back foot, so that means people know what.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
You're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you watching.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, all right, there's so much I love that Tucker's made.
Objection to photography isn't the stuff that Nick's talking about
at all, but the idea that it poses a security
risk because of foreign intel services.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, that they're they're recording everyone masturbating.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
To blackmail every single person on the planet. And he
couches us and saying that he's quote not a huge
expert on the topic. Yeah, which is really good. But
to go back a little bit, the level of projection
Nick is doing here with this identifying as a woman
in the in the porn thing is simply phenomenal. I mean,
(16:14):
especially considering the whole you know, catboys scandal, which I
covered on the show like years ago as when I
was like a baby, as well as Nick's like alleged
trans porn league, which I guess I'll explain to here briefly.
This was in twenty twenty two. Nick allegedly was operating
a SoC puppet Twitter account when he was banned on Twitter.
(16:36):
This this account shared a clip scrolling through Nick Fuentes
like analytics, like video analytics, like search of analytics, showing
his popularity. And when scrolling through these various tabs, a
little section of a tab that that didn't did not
get into full view, but you get you saw the
bottom of it which looked a lot like a very
specific trans femboy porn video on porn hub. People found
(16:59):
that video, and after they found the video, you know this,
This this post with these analytics was like taken down
and this account was believed to be operated by Nick Fuentez. Now,
Nick claims that he obviously was not behind this account,
that this was some like a groper fan who was
trying to set him up for scandal by operating an
account that appeared to be Nick's account on Twitter but
(17:20):
actually wasn't. I Robert, I will show you a little
bit of this analytics video we don't need to see
the whole thing. But it's like this, okay, so various
various tabs. Look, look at all these tabs. This various,
Like when does Jake Lloyd explore what comparing his popularity
(17:44):
towards other other like commentators.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He was comparing his popularity to fucking Jake Lloyd from
the Face.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And Menace from the Phantom Menace.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
You should be beating him, Nick.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But like web traffic analytics Joe Ken to Google trends
and then let's see if I can find it right
right here at the top. Yeah, right here at the top.
Was scrolling through the tabs on the iPhone. Safari is
a a little peorn tab, right yeah. So this this
(18:15):
turned into a little, a little mini thing with people
thinking that they secretly stumbled across the Knick's porn porn
watching habits, of which it would be no surprise that
he'd be watching transfenboy porn, especially again considering that he
operated a catboy discord channel on his server. But he
has staunchly denied this, as you know, as a based
(18:35):
Catholic in cell obviously, so both Tucker and Nick believe
that porn is a big factor affecting the decline of
actual sex and marriage among gen Z. And it's not
just a male problem. Nick argues that it has become
a quote unquote so destigmatized for women to participate in
(18:56):
porn as well, of which he's mostly referring to only fans.
Here's a clip of them discuss it only fans.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And it is completely casual, you know, because you could
say that maybe ten years ago, even at the heyday
of internet porn, to be in porn, you got to
be a porn star, Like that's your life and that's
your career, and that's who you are. And it's very
shameful with only fans. It's like it's like having a TikTok.
It's like here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account,
(19:29):
here's my Facebook out, here's my YouTube, and here's.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
My only fans. Why would any of this be legal?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I think that, well, there's, like you indicated, maybe there's
an intelligence benefit to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political
benefit to that. I think that, well, why wouldn't you
arrest the people who run something like that? They should
be if you had a Christian government, or how about
government and cares about its people. I mean, is Iron
a bigger threat or is only fans? A Ron's not
(19:57):
turning my daughters to prostitution, I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Of right, Oh my god, is Iron a bigger threat
or is only fans?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yes, that's the real geopolitical question the wisest minds.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
No, what a what a beautiful mind that is?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, like even be able to think of the sentence.
Is Iran a bigger threat than only fans?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Like I could never even get myself to a point
where where I conjured that thought in my own head.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
We have to ban pornography because it's the Iran of masturbation.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's frankly beautiful in order to get their minds so
so degraded to even have this thought, it's so alien,
man like. Later, Tucker pushes kind of on this point
about the need to arrest people who run only fans,
while Nick kind of quietly remarks that it's it's really
the women or the quote unquote body assets who should
(20:55):
be arrested. But Tucker Tucker is pretty firm on no,
it's really like the facilitators, people hosting the website or
enabling this. But you know, Nick and Nick would be
totally fine if women on the platform also get arrested.
Man Ah. Again, the insistence that the primary objection or
like a causal a causal aspect of why why is
(21:17):
this allowed? It's for like intelligence gathering services is simply beautiful?
Do you know what else is beautiful? Robert?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
The sponsors of this podcast, they are for putting up
with this.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah, all right, we're back.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Before this final segment, we will we will transcend the
discussion of porn and and just talk more about some
of Nick's opinions on on like women, oh good, and
other factors beyond porn. For why you know, marriage is
a happening? Why aren't people getting married as much anymore?
(22:04):
You know, of which both Tucker and Nick think porn
is a factor. But there's other factors contributing to this crisis,
which Nick and Tucker will will elucidate. Let's hear him out.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
So what are the.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Other factors that prevent I'm sorry I called you gay,
by the way, but I'm always I think I'm just
too old or something. I'm like, what, why is anyone married?
You tell me why isn't Why an't people married?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women, all right, oh, okay,
we solve that problem.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Uh, yeah, that's it. I think that does it for us,
that it could happen here. They got to the bottom
of that pretty quickly. Sorry I called you gay, by
the way, So no. Now it's time for the wise
in selsation, Nick Fuentes to bestow his wisdom pertaining to
relationships and marriage, and in his eyes, the main problem
seems to be that not just women, but specifically that
(22:59):
women are too liberal. Yeah, really breaking new ground there.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, sure, that's uh, that's it. That's the problem because
then they don't like all of the Nick flintest fans.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
The men are extremely conservative increasingly, the women are extremely liberal.
What are they liberal on? What issues?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Like?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
What does that mean liberal?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
On on out?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They're very feminist, like actually extremely feminist. Yeah, I don't
believe that, do they? I think they do, really absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I can't believe that gender rules are a construct, that
none of this is inborn, Like you have to be
an idiot to think that they like the idea of it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Tucker's delivery. I want to study it more.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I feel like they sketched some of this out before
they did this, because I feel like they're both leading
each other to get out statements that they want to say.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, yeah, it's so crafted here, like they're back and
forth exchange is so is so crafted. Every every inflection
they have, they're like giving each other these key points
to then extrap laid on.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, and there's the stuff that's willful, like the claims
that well, young men are conservative, which is based on
like a shift towards Trump that's partly reversed over the
last year or so, but that was not the vast
majority of gen Z people, right, Like, it's it's yeah,
young people are willing to like try out different things
(24:22):
and swing back and forth. But like, it's not it's
not the way he's framing it, right, because that's that's
the most convenient narrative for the right, that like all
of the young men are pulling towards the right, and
so the problem is that women are more progressive, right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, therefore it has to be liberal women. Yeah, right, No,
it's it's a very it's a very convenient excuse to
explain actually a complex set of economic problems which are
preventing people from feeling comfortable enough to actually start a
family and you know, safe enough economically speaking. Nick goes
on to complain about, you know, women lying about wanting equality,
(24:57):
wanting to work, when really all they want is a
quote unquote tough chad quote. The whole political system is
based around women never being accountable for any of their
choices unquote. This is namely abortion and no false divorce,
which Nick spends a while talking about how that has
been a significant contributing factor towards ruining this country. How
(25:19):
women can enter marriages and leave for whatever reason they want,
taking half the money, taking half the stuff, etc. Etc.
There's another factor that Nick claims is is contributing to
this problem.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think
people call it hope flation, their inflation. Yes, their sense
of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I just had to put the wheflation clip in there.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
The hope flation, Yes, Tucker Carlson saying, hope flation. It's
truly a moment for us all.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah. Again, I really want to just displice some of
these soundbits into my other episode at random points. Now again,
Tucker actually pushes back in some of like the in
between sections here, and I'll play some of that pushback later.
But you know, way more than the rest of the interview,
So specifically, here Tucker is actually pushing back on Nick's
(26:13):
kind of resigned blame directed towards women and the quote
unquote legal incentive structures that he says are contributing to this.
And Tucker responds by saying, even if some of these
complaints are true, as believers in the natural patriarchy, isn't
it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and
to fix this behavior in women through marriage.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But I would say that because I hear this all
the time. People say, well, the men need to step
up and be better and lead the women easier said
than done.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Go on, you know, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
They're at war with the system, and not even just
the system, but also society.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So this is this is the full like joker piled
and sale stuff, is that in order to have an
actual relationship with women, men have to enter into con
against quote unquote society. Right like this, it is larger.
It's larger thing that's influencing women and is making them,
you know, depraved and liberal. And Nick argues that even
(27:11):
if you find like a nice trad Christian girl, they're
gonna be on TikTok. They're gonna be on Instagram and
they're going to be quote unquote talking to other women,
and through osmosis, they're gonna get influenced by this liberal
culture and say, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the line,
people will change and they may not be so Christian
and trad twenty years into your marriage because of society.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Huh yeah, I mean, I guess that's the argument I
expected from him.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
He'll extratholate some of his reasoning here.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists,
the ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think eventually
the pressure from society kind of gets to them, and
a lot of them will go into.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Depends what husbands they have. I mean, if there's real
leadership at home. I don't know a single happily married
who's liberal, not one. I know a lot of married women.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Here's some of the pushback that Tucker is doing now.
But yeah, man, this idea of you know, the women
as the ultimate conformists is the enforcers of social norms, right,
This is like kind of like the long House type stuff.
And Tucker's rebuke of that is that in an actual
you know, marriage with a conservative man, a strong conservative man,
all that behavior will get changed because people will fall
(28:27):
into like their natural biological patriarchal roles. But Nick still
doesn't buy it. Like he is he is he is
an insul at heart. Here's no way that that Tucker's
kind of pushback, it's gonna it's gonna turn him on this.
Like Nick just hates women entirely. This whole motivation is
that due to some sort of like fascist homo erotic
(28:48):
like aspect, maybe, but it's it's probably even more complicated
than that. I mean, part of the fascist fenboy thing
is people who actually aren't even gay but just hate
women so much that they end up being gay because
that's like the only mode of connection they can even
or like physical connection. They can even like muster themselves
to do, which I explained in that episode from you
(29:09):
know a few years ago when I was a baby.
But yeah, this is definitely some stuff at play here,
and I mean Nick will always just find new things
to complain about in regards to this sort of stuff,
like the quote unquote epidemic of simps.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
So like maybe the job is to make a girl
happy and like all this nonsense ends.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think that that could be a bottomless pit too,
because my critique I have of the men is, and
you're right about this, they enable this behavior.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Well, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's epidemic of simps who and especially with Christians, I've
noticed this epidemic of sex.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, that's that's something else.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Marriage has this bottomless pit. Like I also love.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
The idea that Tucker's like, well, why are men just
making women happy? And you know the answer there for
Tucker is that people like you are not capable of
making other people happy. But Nick can't even consider that
because the idea of women being happy is deeply offensive
to him.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
No, I mean Nick says that simp culture, or more specifically,
a backlash to simp culture, is why people like Andrew
Tate have gotten so popular despite being a quote unquote
Muslim polchemist, because Tate is quote putting a women in
their place unquote, as opposed to Christian men who are
tone policing each other and are worshiping women and worshiping
(30:30):
their wives, which Tucker pushes back on a bit by
saying that the New Testament commands men to love their
wives and that wives respect their husbands. We got only
two more at clips left, but I think they are
very revealing, all right, as much else needs to be
revealed here.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I do think I've just noticed this that men who
stay unmarried for too long become like kind of fragile.
There's something about the given take. There's something about living
with In fact, I think it's the key to life
someone you don't fully understand. That broadens you, that keeps
you always thinking, That makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful,
(31:14):
more self aware, uh, and more flexible.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And those are all good qualities.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
And the and the absence of that, like in homosexuality,
or like men who are single too long, they get
very rigid.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Have you ever noticed this?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Have you ever noticed this?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
I like things the way I like them, and they
just get like no, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You don't
want that really, because that's who you are. Nick.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I would say that when when you say you don't
fully understand women. To me, I feel like women are
very simple in terms of you ever lived with one?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
I haven't lived with them, but I.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Meant, oh, man, women are really simple. Have you ever
lived with one? No?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's really funny up until the assuming all gay pe
fully the same bit. Tucker's making a good point, which
is that like part of what's healthy about relationships is
like living with someone who's not like you, right, just
like that makes us better people.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
And he's very clearly trying to like like push Nick's
buttons here, Yeah, because he knows, he knows, he knows,
because Nick's getting called out because yeah, he's this angry,
unmarried guy. He's this like yeah, little little unhinged freak. Yeah.
Oh and yeah, he's like getting he's absolutely getting called
out here. And it's funny that this is the thing
(32:33):
out of the out of the entire interview that that
that Tucker really tries to harp on. It's it's this
married thing, Like he really wants Nick to get married.
That's kind of the main thing he's really pushing for
by the end of this interview.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, bro, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Have you ever lived with one? Well no, no, of
course not. It's wild. I mean well, later Nick tries
to argue that, you know, it's it's really the men
who are complicated, because men have a quote deep can
to math and space unquote.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Sure, yeah, man, I love my deep connection to math
and space.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, Robert's so good at math and space.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, it's really my strong suits math and space. Anyone
that knows you, I would say, every man I know
is good at math and space.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Versus you know, women just operate on primal base in course. Yes,
Nick says quote men are masters of the universe, women
are the universe, which I think is a quote from
someone else.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, god, yeah, you're a real master of
the universe, Nick.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
This will be the final clip where Tucker will offer
a little bit more pushback towards Nick on some of
his views about women and marriage. You've got a pretty
clear look into into Nick's an interiority here as well.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
So, but anyway, but what are the point of men
want to talk past each other constantly? They don't always
know what the other one is saying, and that frustration
actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I
would say, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I personally find women very frustrated when they are not expressing,
and I.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Just view that as any of it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I see.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
The way I look at is like when you look
at your favorite TV shows, right, the Sopranos Breaking Bad,
It's like the wife is the villain, because it's like
the main character, if the wife could just get out
of the way, would be running the show. And that's
kind of how I feel like iin rand I agree
with her about this. She said that the wife's role
(34:37):
is like hero worship. The guy is the hero. The
guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror or whatever,
and the woman is really supposed to support the man's
goals and be in his world.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
And I van that's the well House.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Thing successful men need is more power worship, more, a
hero worship more. You're so great when you get that
at work, you don't want that at home. You become
an unbeara pray destroys every successful man, which is hubrist,
Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's
not interested in what you do at all, only interested
in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise.
(35:13):
That's how you know your own limits.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
That's shockingly good advice from Tucker Carlson, Like this, this
is so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
This is so beautiful to me. When Tucker Carlson is
the voice of reason, it's it's really really scary weak. Yeah,
but no, so clearly is next like a closet and
gay in cell showing here, well, like, well, Tucker pains
pains to explain to Nick why people actually get into
(35:42):
a relationships. Yeah, and Nick just can't do it. He
starts talking about the Sopranos and fucking breaking bad. That's
like the only framework in which you could understand this,
because he's never had a real relationship. The wife is
the villain, I agree with ein Rand. Yeah, famously well
(36:02):
adjusted in the relationship department. Iin Rand, the wife's role
is hero worship. And Tucker's like, oh my god, No,
that's horrible. Oh no, that's that's what ruins people, that
destroys people. It's fascinating. No, yeah, this is a this
is a truly fascinating exchange. And it's really telling that
this is the thing that Tucker pushes back on, not
(36:23):
the anti semitism, but she like kind of tepidly offered
Nick advice on how to change his rhetoric to be
more appealing, but did not push back on the substance
of it, because Tucker is actually just as anti semitic
as Nick is. Yeah, but no, this is this is
the thing that he that he decided to do, and yeah,
like my initial feeling after watching this whole two hour
and eighteen minute stream is like this whole stream or
(36:45):
this whole episode felt like Tucker was kind of trying
to be some sort of mentor figure to Neck or
saw that Nick might be the future in some way,
like might be the whether whether it's the future of
the party or future of like you know, this sort
of like commentating class or style, and it kind of
wanted to offer a little bit of a guiding light
towards someone who I think Tucker does see, as you know,
(37:06):
having some obvious issues and saying some nasty things and
wanting to kind of write that course in a way
or provide Nick a bit of a fresh start to
restate some of his views on the biggest right wing
platform online, which is which is Tucker's show right now.
I guess that's kind of That's kind of all I
have on this women in Poorn section. I guess the
(37:26):
last thing before we close, there is this question right
with people in the GOP who are scared about Nick's
Nick's influence at least in the commentating classroom among like interns. Yeah,
but specifically scared of it one because of the you know,
anti Israel stuff, but also if that's going to hurt
them electorally. Right, A lot of people couch this and saying, well,
you know, these views aren't popular with the electorate. Republicans
(37:48):
are never going to win elections if this Graper thing
takes over and that leaves us, you know, people who
are against against you know, the rise of fascism and
authoritary in kind of a weird spot because I don't
think we can really do anything to encourage like the
gropperification of the GOP like an accelerationist fashion, but we
(38:10):
can kind of let it happen. Yeah, we can choose
to just let it happen, or we can choose to
kind of stop it in like the twenty seventeen Antifa,
you know framework of like trying to prevent this stuff
from spreading because it will always lead to bad things.
And Yeah, after doing all this research last week and
really continuing into this week too, I mean, Trump just
(38:31):
gave a statement in support of Talker and saying that
he should get the word out about Nick Fuentes. I've
continued to be looking at this stuff and can we
even stop it though? At this point? Right, like how
much of the Antifa project like even succeeded considering where
we are now politically right. But no, there certainly is
this like internal debate in terms of letting this stuff
(38:52):
happen versus trying to actively oppose this like groper takeover
of the GOP.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's realistically anything that
we can do to influence how popular Nick Fuintz is
on the right. Like if you just start screaming about
how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince
a lot of people. Oh well, the left hates him.
That must mean you know he's our guy.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Likewise, I don't know. I don't think it's our place.
I think it's our place to make sure people know
what Nick actually stands for. That if there's some sort
of like whitewashing of his character that they attempt to
do in order to make this more electorally viable, that
people are aware of, like how how unhinged this guy is,
I don't think. I don't think the kind of shit
(39:39):
Nick is saying here will will do well when exposed
to the body politic as a whole, because it's nuts.
But that said, like, I don't think you can you're
going to scold your way out of this.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
No, No, And I guess part of the education is
making sure people have a more full understanding of Nick
fuint has his views on women and his uh yeah,
and his little conversation on pornography. I think that actually
is important because all of these guys are weird little
in cell freaks.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yes, and people don't like how weird they are when
they're confronted with it. No, right, Mostly what they're concerned
about is whether or not there are jobs and shit
is more or less expensive. They don't want some weirdo
telling them that living with women will make them weaker.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, even even Tucker doesn't like that. Yeah, well, I
think that does it for us today. At it could
Happen Here?
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Great.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I hope this episode is something.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, I hope it's something too.
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Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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