March 24, 2025 • 29 mins
James and Gare discuss the rendition of 238 Venezuelan migrants to a prison labor camp in El Salvador.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cause Media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello and welcome. Today could happen here a podcast but
the world falling apart and was mostly just about that
at the minute, but we do sometimes talk about how
to put it back together as well. Joining me today
is Garrison Davis.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Garrison, Hello, Hi, and we're on the falling apart theme.
Think so we've been on that one quite a lot
last few weeks, but today we are specifically talking about
the what I'm going to call the rendition of non
US nationals by the Trump administration over the last week.
The reason I'm calling it, I guess rendition and not
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deportation is because these people aren't being sent back to
the countries they're from. They are being sent to El Salvador. Specifically,
they're being sent to a place called Second So the
Trump administration has attempted to send three hundred people who
it accuses of being members of a foreign terrorist organization.
We're going to get to how they get there under
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the Alien Enemies Act, to a prison in El Salvador
where they will be detained for a year at the
expense of the United States. We're going to break down
exactly how we got there over the course of this episode.
So the Trump administration has accused these people of being
members of two different gangs. The majority of them, there's
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two hundred and thirty eight people are accused of being
members of Trend de Ragua. Trind de Ragua is a
Venezuelan gang that the Trump administration recently declared a foreign
terrorist organization. Another twenty three it's accusing of being members
of MS thirteen, which is a Salvadorrean gang. The Trump
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administration use something called the Alien Enemies Act to remove
these people. The Alien Enemies Act, we actually spoke about
it in November of last year when we were looking
at provisions of US law that the Trump administration could
use for its mass deportation gender. This is one we
spoke about. The Trump administration in the past has been
quite good at finding obscure provisions of the United States
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law to exclude migrants. You can hear my whole series
about Title forty two on that. That's kind of the
paramount example. Right. The Only Enemies Act is a two
hundred and twenty six year old piece of legislation. The
last time it was used was to inter Japanese people
during the Second World War. Right, So that's a pretty
shameful part of the United States history, and it's great
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that we're going back there. So who are the enemies
in this case?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's generally, like I should probably point out the Alien
Enemies Act is intended for like the people you were
at war with. Right, So if the United States is
at war with let's say Canada, and there are Canadian
citizens in the United States, so people who have dual
citizenship with Canada, and those people that are individuals within
that group are suspected to be spies or suspected to
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be like serving the interest in Canada not the United States,
that they could be excluded or detained under the Alien
Enemies Act or sent out of the country, as it's
the case here, and as we saw in this instance,
there is very little recourse to appeal.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This isn't like a deportation hearing or an asylum hearing
where you have a lawyer representing you, where you have
even a hearing. Right, these people were raudied up and
booted out the country in very short order.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and like with or without due process, Like we
should not be black bagging people and sending them to
the like Al Salvador labor prison, Right, Like this is
like just doing this at all, even with due process
would already be horrifying. Yeah, the fact that they're just
doing it like without even any like court process entirely
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and like trying to like bypass that just adds like
another level to an already like horrifying and you know,
evil and shameful action.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, it's terrible. I want it defines some of the
categories here. I want to start with Trendy Aragua Spanish
understanders will will notice the word trend meaning train. That's
because they came out of construction unions who were building
trains as part of a Venezuelan infrastructure project in Aragua,
which is part of Venezuela. There are other Venezuelan gangs.
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Trend Deliano is the other one that springs to mind,
which was come from the same place and thus have
similar names, but just people should understand that they're different organizations.
They also have a strong presence of Venezuelan prisons. They
have in the past been accused of doing violence on
behalf of the Venezuelan state. By in twenty twenty four,
my daughter blame them for the protests after his election.
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People remember that that election was widely seen as fraudulent,
and I covered that in my series on the Dariant
Gap if people want to learn more about Venezuelan politics
of migration into the United States. In twenty twenty four,
Biden named Trend de Aragua a transnational criminal organization and
then Trump named them a foreign terrorist organization. He labeled
to cartels as ftos as well. At the time, there's
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a lot of speculation about why was it to allow
for like drone strikes or co operations. I think we're
now seeing that this was part of this large ploy
of deportation.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, because like quote unquote terrorists have even less quote
unquote rights than quote unquote criminals. Yes, right, Like it's
it's like, yeah, like the like the triangle of like
which which deplorable class has the least about of rights?
Terrorists are always like the ones with the least.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah. And we've been doing that for twenty odd years
now with Quantanamo Bay and renditions to Egypt and Syria
and other places. In this case, people are being sent
to Sikot, which is this prison in El Salvador. Sometimes.
Can you spell that, yeah, cecot uh Centro that cult? Yeah,
Seacott I guess. It stands for terrorism confinement, Terrorism detention center.
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It is largely referred to as a super prison. Right
it was built in our Bibles. Part of his iron
Fist would be the way you translate. It's iron fist
policy against gangs and against crime, and it has been
widely condemned for human rights abuses. People are crammed into
cells with more than one hundred people, but there are
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fewer bunks than there are prisoners, right, so they can't
even all lie down at the same time. The bunks
don't have bedding, they're just flat like metal sheets. They're
four high, so you have to climb over other people
to sleep. For more than one hundred prisoners, there are
two open toilets. That's the only access to a bathroom
that you have. They might be allowed out for half
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an hour each day. They're not allowed to communicate with
their families or the outside world. They're forced to shave
their heads and they all wear white. The lights are
left on all day. As I said that, they're provided
with no bedding, They contact with the outside world, very
little access to anything other than standing in that cell.
There's two bibles in each set. It's the only sort
of entertainment they're allowed. It just sounds like a torture camp, Like, yeah,
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this is completely inhumane, right, it's horrific, and for a
couple of years now, but Kelly has been doing like
these media tours of the of p sicot, like using
it to generate content. It's very much designed to generate
this image of like, this is what will happen to
quote unquote, what will happened to you if you're a
quote unquote in a gang. It's sort of been used
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to promote his image of someone who's taking an iron
fist to gangs. And as we saw when these people
were sent to our salbad Or, this tendency to use
I don't know what you would call it incarceration as
a way of making content. It was very much the
case here, right, Yeah, I'm going to break for ads.
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When we come back, we will be consuming content that
is people being stripped of their human rights. And we
are back, Garrison. Do you want to go ahead and
play this? And so the the tweet in question, the
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zet in question, it's by Naibuke, the president of Bel Salvador. Right,
should I read it out? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I think you should think it's worth noting that like
this style of propaganda close to the mirrors a lot
of what like DHS and the Trump administration is doing
on their official accounts, a lot of a lot of
the like memified content creation format and like aesthetics being
used to just display like torture and deportations and human
arts abuses is very common among government accounts in the
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States right now. It's pretty pretty horrifying to look at.
And this this kind of follows the suit and is
possibly even more bleak. Yeah, but yeah, we should read
read this whole, this whole message and then and then
we'll pribace skip around on the video and talk about
what we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, so I'll just read it obviously in turnstand I'm
quoting it hit artly from him. Today, the first two
hundred and thirty eight members of the Venezuelan criminal Organizeation
trend ragois arrived in our country. They were immediately transferred
to SIKORD, the Terrorism Confinement Center for a period of
one year, parentheses renewable. The United States will pay a
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very low fee for them, but a high one for
US over time. These actions, combined with a production already
being generated by more than forty thousand inmates engaged in
various workshops and labour under the Zero Idleness Program will
help make our prison system self sustainable. As of today,
it costs two hundred million per year. On this occasion,
the US has sent us twenty three MS thirteen members
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wanted by Salvatory Injustice, including two ring leaders. One of
them is a member of the criminal organization's highest structure.
This will help us finalize intelligence gathering and go after
the last remnants of MS thirty, including its former and
new members, money weapons, drugs, hideouts, collaborators, and sponsors. As
always who continue advancing in a fight against organized crime,
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but this time we're also helping our allies, making our
prison system self sustain and obtaining vital intelligence to make
a country an even safer place. All in a single action.
They God blessed Sarbador, and they God blessed the United States.
I should probably just add that the US sent three
million dollars to pay for these six million dollars. I'm
sorry to pay for this three hundred prisoners that intended
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to send.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
The Zero Idleness program is like one of the most
sinister things I've like read recently.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, I mean you could put out of a Georgio
well or like old Huxley or something right, and it
wouldn't sound out a place.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's even even like you know, it's almost cliche now
to point like German work camps, but like.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Come on, yeah, I mean come on, yeah, yeah, that
we were doing it again.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So yeah, we'll probably play a clip of the music
and then I'm going to skip around on the video.
You're can just talk about what we're seeing here. It's
first we have a shot of an airport with three
different planes and people getting rounded up and pushed on
in single file. It has like this like action movie
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type music lines of soldiers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So as as the.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
People getting loaded on the plane, they're getting like forced
forced down. There's like people with like guns, police military
like manhandling people pushing their heads down, physically removing clothing.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, they're showing their tattoos there, right, that's what they're
pulling up his shirt.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, but like even the way that they just like
walk around with these people like like like forcing their
heads almost like their concrete as they make them shuffle
along the ground, just like basic dehumanization shows them getting
transported onto buses.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, so they said, they're arriving at set good now
sort of bright white, very sterile facility. Now they're being
forced into their knees, yeah, and shaved, getting.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Their beards shaved, heads shaved, getting shackled, all while being
forced onto their knees on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Then the cops doing this are all wearing I guess balaclavas.
Describe them as face masks and hats.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, all of all of the military police officials are
trying to hide their identity as they you know, publicly
display the actions that they're doing, as when they're you know,
shaving and holding people's heads up for the camera.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So it it's it's a lot of that kind of
stuff you see. You see them like pushing pushing people
all in matching white clothes in single file into cells.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, and this is the cell so we spoke about before.
We'll include this link in the in the sources.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's basically just three minutes of torture porn. Like that's like,
that's what that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I guess, yeah, it's it's it's pretty bleak, honestly.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Like, I don't know what else to say about it
besides like it's it's just it's just like channeling pure evil,
Like I like it's it's there's nothing else to say.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I mean that. I don't know how anyone will
watch that and think good. So we should talk about
how they're identifying these people, and we should talk about
the process by which they were sent there. ICE policy
says a person could be deemed a gang member if
they office the notes to quote gang membership identification criteria.
One of the criteria that they seem to be using
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in this instance is their tattoos. So there are some
gangs that have a process of tattooing to enter the gang,
right MS thirteen Mara Salva structure, it's what the MS
stands for being one of them. These like Mara Central
American gangs have tended to use that in the past.
This isn't really something that happens with Trend de Raguas
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as far as I'm aware of. Some people they've pointed
to tattoos of trains in a document the gear found
from the Texas Department of Public Safety, pointing to stars
as evidence that people were part of Trend de Ragua.
So I remember where Trend Dragua does not have a
policy of tattooing people specifically, because this is a thing
that has been used by law enforcement to identify members, right, like,
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it would be silly to keep doing that once once
it's become so clear that the state uses that. So
the one sort of case that I've seen legal documents
on of these people, the one name we have one
of these people who's been sent is a man named
Hersirees Barrios. He was a footballer professional football in Venezuela
who protested against my daughter regime, was tortured and detained
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as a result. I've spoken to probably I would imagine
thousands of Venezuela and migrants. Right again, I would like
you to listen to my series on Italian Gap if
you haven't, I put a lot into it. All of
these people have stories of watching people be shot, the
brutal repression of protest, state violence, economic collapse, persecution for
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supporting the opposition in the country, right and this is
one of those stories. The criteria that they used to
identify him were a tattoo which had a football with
a crown over the top and then the word Dios
God in English underneath raise. Barrios's lawyer says that this
is an homage the logo of Real Madrid, his favorite
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football club. They have claimed that it is evidence of
gang membership. That's what the government is claiming here. The
other criteria that they used is a picture of him
like throwing up the horns. I guess which I believe
it means I love you in sign language, I'm not
sure if I's think an urban legend or if that's
the case, and there are obviously different sign languages, but
this is a hand gesture. It's especially common in the
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Spanish speaking world. If you're not familiar, I have my
little finger and my index finger extended and my two
other fingers curled up as if I was making a fist.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Almost like almost like a spider man hand symbol.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I guess sure, I'm not familiar, but if you say
so to visually reference for people, if you were making
a little cow like a bulk with your hands, sure
you would be doing your shadow puperty. It's very common,
Like yes, it's a very typical hands It's a thing
that people do when they when they're taking photos, like
I've even seen it, like when you know, if there's
if I'm working with a photographer and they're snapping photos
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of larger groups of people. People just do it like
just like people did the peace sign. You know, it's
a thing to do with your hands. Those are two
criteria they use. So I should point out that none
of these people have been accused or convicted of a crime,
either in the United States or in El Salvador. Right.
Even if they had been accused of a crime, even
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convicted of a crime, the United States is very unclear
what legal basis they would be to then detain them
in El Salvador. Right, Like, the United States doesn't have
a system whereby we can send people to penal colonies.
At the time of writing, this has been challenged in court. Right,
A district court judge attempted to block the A district
court judge did block these removals. Now, he actually blocked
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them before the people had arrived in El Salvador. However,
despite this, the planes didn't turn around. And I'm just
going to quote directly from what the judge said here.
Quote any plane containing these folks and it's going to
take off or is in the air, needs to be
returned to the United States. Then it's another quote later.
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This is something you need to make sure he's complied
with immediately. This didn't happen right. The planes went from
the US torndor Salvador. They didn't stop even when the
judge had given this order for them to stop. Now, normally,
in illegal proceedings such as this, right that the government
or one of the parties may not agree with the
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findings of the judge and they may choose to appeal
it right, that's very normal. You still comply with the order,
then appeal it right. You don't just keep doing whatever
you feel like doing because you don't think the judge
was right like that. That's in theory, not how this
works now in practice. What means does a judge have
to force the executive to listen to him? I don't know.
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We're not seeing any of them on display at the minute.
The government has cited various reasons for ignoring the ruling.
One of them press Securely Caroline leave It claimed that
there was quote no lawful basis for the ruling. Go
back to my previous statement about how you're supposed to
appeal things. They also claimed in court that a verbal
order is not the same as a written one. That's
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not something that's generally understood to be the case, and
that because the flights were over international water, the order
did not apply. This was then part of the foreign
policy powers reserved to the president. That last one is
particularly worrying. You effectively don't have your rights in international waters,
role like humans don't have rights in international waters.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, it's just allowing the US government or the UST
government trying to say that it's allowed to do whatever
it wants if the action is being taken or not,
like immediately on US soil or other foreigns oil.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah. So we're going to take another break and when
we come back, we will talk about their response to
this judge is ruling. All right, and we are back.
So Trump's response to this Judge Boseberg's ruling was, I'm
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just going to read this is a true social post
aka a truth quote. This radical left lunatic of a judge,
a troublemaker and agitator who was sadly appointed by Barak Hussein.
Obama was not elected president. M Dash. I'm not going
to say when it's capitalized, just to understand that it's
sporadically capitalized in the fashion that Trump likes to do.
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He didn't win the popular vote. Parentheses by a lot
exclamation mark comma. He didn't win all seven swing states,
he didn't win two seven hundred and fifty to five
and twenty five counties. He didn't win anything. I won
for many reasons in an overwhelming mandate, but fightling illegal
immigration may have been the number one reason for this
historic victory and just doing what the voters wanted me
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to do. This judge, like many of the crooked judges
I'm forced to appear before, should be impeached. We don't
want vicious, violent, and demented criminals, many of them deranged murderers,
in our country. Make America great again, Tom Homan. The
borders are also told Fox News quote, I don't care
what the judges think.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
We made a promised to American people. The President Trump
has made a promised to American people. We're going to
make this country safe again. I wake up every morning
loving my job because I work for the greatest president
in the history of my life, and we're going to
make this country safe again. I'm probably a part of
this administration. We're not stopping. I don't care what the
judges think. I don't care the left. Thanks were coming too.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I just love saying you going through these protestss just
crunching on the apple as they're liberal tiers, just just
floout the hallway.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Tom Holman, thanks so much for joining the program.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You got to think this is open defiance of the courts, right, Like,
I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's what we've been talking about the past month on
executive disorder. How we are just continually like ramping up
this clash between the executive branch and the judicial branch.
The congressional branch has already basically given up all of
their power, and yeah, this is like an actual constitutional crisis.
Very few people are taking this as seriously as what
it should be, and even the courts seem a little
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bit tepid to like actually enforce their own power or
like try to.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, I mean Boseberg mentioned contempt once from what I
can find on pacer, but like, obviously these judges I
think are somewhat concerned that if they, you know, they
find the government in contempt to court, then what happens
because if you like, yeah, if you play your Trump
card and no one cares, then you have no chives
left to play.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It's it's kind of odd how the judges themselves are
seemingly afraid of like pushing this constitutional crisis into a
explicit territory right to be like what if we do
the thing that then makes it clear to everyone else
like we have no power, like like we actually have
like like it is just authoritarianism via the executive branch. Yeah,
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it's almost like they're trying to like backpedal from this
like very obvious accelerationist push of like no, we need
to actually test test this.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Out, yeah, because we need to know where we're at.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Like, and they're scared too, because they're scared what if
what if that testing causes like the Trump side to win.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, but that we're already winning in the in the
absence of testing exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
And the problem is that in absence of that, you
were just giving up and letting Trump win. Yeah. Like,
after Trump called to impeach the quote unquote radical leftist
lunatic of a judge who tried to temporarily halt the
the deportation of of these three hundred Venezuelan immigrants, Chief
Justice John Roberts made a rare public statement rebuking calls
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to impeach judges for rulings that don't align with political agendas,
and that's as far as they're going. Right now, they're
making rare public statements saying you probably shouldn't call to
impeach a judge. Meanwhile, Musk complaints on Twitter dot com
about a quote unquote judicial coup, and it mistakenly calls
for sixty senators to impeach a leftist to judges. Now,
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of course, the Senate does not do impeachments. The House does,
and the Senate requires sixty seven votes to convict it
and remove someone from office once impeached. So haha, we gotcha,
We gotcha. Elon, you made a mistake, We win notes co. Yeah,
it's where we're at right now with this case. We're
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recording this.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
On Thursday, Bosebag gave them a twenty four our extension
to provide details about the flights. The government has suggested
that it might claim that these are state secrets, despite
the fact that it has widely publicized these flights, including
in the video that we discussed.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, they're turning these into like TikTok is, Instagram real
hype videos.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
They're not state secrets publicly.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You're publicly displaying these to show that these people are
not human. Yeah, like you're trying to scare everyone into
saying we decide if you are a person or not,
and if you're not a person, this is what we
can do.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This, we can do whatever we want to. Yeah, it
should be noted as well, there is actually a process
in US law through the Alien Terrorist Removal Court for
the expedited removal of terrorist suspects without revealing classified information publicly.
In fact, Boseberg was chief judge on that court for
five years Jesus Christ. But we are not using that
process where we using the Alien Enemies Act in today.
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So yeah, this is in new exciting territory. In On Monday,
so that's the day that you're hearing this, a panel
of judges from the District Court in DC will hear
an appeal by the United States government against Bosberg's attentive
restraining order, the one that it obey anyway, so we
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will have more on this and we will keep updating
you on this and SUF fight it to say that
I guess again, this is a constitutional crisis, Like this
is what it looks like. I don't I don't know
if people expect like fireworks to go off or like
some confetti to drop and it to be like the
separation of powers is gone. But if the government can
ignore the courts, and that is what is happening. So
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I guess we will see in the meantime. These people,
many of whom one of them was a musician, one
of them was a football player, right like. I've interviewed hundreds,
if not thousands, of fens wild migrants, and most of them,
it will shock you to hear, are just people who
don't want to live with the boot of the state
on the neck, people who want to make a decent
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living for their their families for what it's worth. None
of the Venezuelan migrants I met in the Daddian Gap
or in the United States or have come to United States.
And my knowledge is for people who are like wondering
how those stories kind of resolve, they resolve with people
currently stuck in Mexico in pretty terrible conditions, either working
for very little or unable to work at all, and
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trying to work out what to do. It's pretty bleak
for them, it's pretty bleak for us to if this
is the duration that things are going. I don't ever
have much more to say.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
No, I don't know what else there is to say
about them, just bypassing the courts to do a complete
authoritarian overgrab so that they can send hundreds of people
to essentially like a labor camp black site in a
different country for an unknown period of time without any
legal process.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Like it's to be clear, not all of these people
even entered the United States between ports of entry, which
has been charged as a misdemeanor. Generally isn't charged. Some
of them came with the CPP one, the fucking app
the thing you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
These are not proven criminals like these these these are
just people some of who immigrated legally and have been
detained by ICE. I don't now shipped off to a
like torture labor prison in a different country where they're
going to stay for at least a year in parenthesis
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renewable so like in death Like it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
They can be forced to labor for the rest of
their lives, a thing that has happened before in human history.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
No, Like, if you're like history understanders should look at
what's happening and be like, oh, we're doing that again, huh.
And the only way that this ends is with people
getting angry enough to start doing something about it. And
I feel like we are we're so like everyone's become
so complacent that it's even hard to get people to
care or like hear about this sort of thing from happening.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, and you don't have to be like I want
to phrase this in radical terms that you don't have
to be like anywhere on the left to understand that, like,
this is an assault on basic human rights. It's just
sort on the foundational principles of the United States government.
And everyone should be said about this. You shouldn't be
a left right issue. This should be like a right
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wrong issue. So hopefully you can all have some talks
with your family this week. I don't know, like, I
think it's really important to push back on the idea
that these people have done any crimes, because they have not,
that they have been convicted or found using any reasonable
degree of evidence to be members of gangs like TRENDRAGU.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And even if they have been convicted, they should not
be sent to the Al Salvador Orticer labor camp. But
the fact that they're not even convicted, these are just
random in some cases, like random Venezuelan men who have
been rounded up.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
For the crime of having tattoos for the most part,
fucking horrifying. It is petrifying. Yeah, it's happening. It is
happening here.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Every day we're getting closer to the cool Zone as
more and more people start taking this situation seriously.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, so yeah, take it seriously. You know, advocate for
these people. Best of luck, And if you want to
email us, you can do cool Zone Tip at proton
dot me. That's an encrypted email address, but it's only
encrypted end to end. If you also send from an
encrypted email address, do your due diligence, and yeah, send us,
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send us tips if you have tips, ideas, if you
have ideas, and we will be back tomorrow with more
things that are happening here.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello and welcome. Today could happen here a podcast but
the world falling apart and was mostly just about that
at the minute, but we do sometimes talk about how
to put it back together as well. Joining me today
is Garrison Davis.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Garrison, Hello, Hi, and we're on the falling apart theme.
Think so we've been on that one quite a lot
last few weeks, but today we are specifically talking about
the what I'm going to call the rendition of non
US nationals by the Trump administration over the last week.
The reason I'm calling it, I guess rendition and not
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deportation is because these people aren't being sent back to
the countries they're from. They are being sent to El Salvador. Specifically,
they're being sent to a place called Second So the
Trump administration has attempted to send three hundred people who
it accuses of being members of a foreign terrorist organization.
We're going to get to how they get there under
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the Alien Enemies Act, to a prison in El Salvador
where they will be detained for a year at the
expense of the United States. We're going to break down
exactly how we got there over the course of this episode.
So the Trump administration has accused these people of being
members of two different gangs. The majority of them, there's
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two hundred and thirty eight people are accused of being
members of Trend de Ragua. Trind de Ragua is a
Venezuelan gang that the Trump administration recently declared a foreign
terrorist organization. Another twenty three it's accusing of being members
of MS thirteen, which is a Salvadorrean gang. The Trump
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administration use something called the Alien Enemies Act to remove
these people. The Alien Enemies Act, we actually spoke about
it in November of last year when we were looking
at provisions of US law that the Trump administration could
use for its mass deportation gender. This is one we
spoke about. The Trump administration in the past has been
quite good at finding obscure provisions of the United States
(02:10):
law to exclude migrants. You can hear my whole series
about Title forty two on that. That's kind of the
paramount example. Right. The Only Enemies Act is a two
hundred and twenty six year old piece of legislation. The
last time it was used was to inter Japanese people
during the Second World War. Right, So that's a pretty
shameful part of the United States history, and it's great
(02:31):
that we're going back there. So who are the enemies
in this case?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's generally, like I should probably point out the Alien
Enemies Act is intended for like the people you were
at war with. Right, So if the United States is
at war with let's say Canada, and there are Canadian
citizens in the United States, so people who have dual
citizenship with Canada, and those people that are individuals within
that group are suspected to be spies or suspected to
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be like serving the interest in Canada not the United States,
that they could be excluded or detained under the Alien
Enemies Act or sent out of the country, as it's
the case here, and as we saw in this instance,
there is very little recourse to appeal.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This isn't like a deportation hearing or an asylum hearing
where you have a lawyer representing you, where you have
even a hearing. Right, these people were raudied up and
booted out the country in very short order.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and like with or without due process, Like we
should not be black bagging people and sending them to
the like Al Salvador labor prison, Right, Like this is
like just doing this at all, even with due process
would already be horrifying. Yeah, the fact that they're just
doing it like without even any like court process entirely
(03:48):
and like trying to like bypass that just adds like
another level to an already like horrifying and you know,
evil and shameful action.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, it's terrible. I want it defines some of the
categories here. I want to start with Trendy Aragua Spanish
understanders will will notice the word trend meaning train. That's
because they came out of construction unions who were building
trains as part of a Venezuelan infrastructure project in Aragua,
which is part of Venezuela. There are other Venezuelan gangs.
(04:18):
Trend Deliano is the other one that springs to mind,
which was come from the same place and thus have
similar names, but just people should understand that they're different organizations.
They also have a strong presence of Venezuelan prisons. They
have in the past been accused of doing violence on
behalf of the Venezuelan state. By in twenty twenty four,
my daughter blame them for the protests after his election.
(04:39):
People remember that that election was widely seen as fraudulent,
and I covered that in my series on the Dariant
Gap if people want to learn more about Venezuelan politics
of migration into the United States. In twenty twenty four,
Biden named Trend de Aragua a transnational criminal organization and
then Trump named them a foreign terrorist organization. He labeled
to cartels as ftos as well. At the time, there's
(05:02):
a lot of speculation about why was it to allow
for like drone strikes or co operations. I think we're
now seeing that this was part of this large ploy
of deportation.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, because like quote unquote terrorists have even less quote
unquote rights than quote unquote criminals. Yes, right, Like it's
it's like, yeah, like the like the triangle of like
which which deplorable class has the least about of rights?
Terrorists are always like the ones with the least.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah. And we've been doing that for twenty odd years
now with Quantanamo Bay and renditions to Egypt and Syria
and other places. In this case, people are being sent
to Sikot, which is this prison in El Salvador. Sometimes.
Can you spell that, yeah, cecot uh Centro that cult? Yeah,
Seacott I guess. It stands for terrorism confinement, Terrorism detention center.
(05:55):
It is largely referred to as a super prison. Right
it was built in our Bibles. Part of his iron
Fist would be the way you translate. It's iron fist
policy against gangs and against crime, and it has been
widely condemned for human rights abuses. People are crammed into
cells with more than one hundred people, but there are
(06:17):
fewer bunks than there are prisoners, right, so they can't
even all lie down at the same time. The bunks
don't have bedding, they're just flat like metal sheets. They're
four high, so you have to climb over other people
to sleep. For more than one hundred prisoners, there are
two open toilets. That's the only access to a bathroom
that you have. They might be allowed out for half
(06:37):
an hour each day. They're not allowed to communicate with
their families or the outside world. They're forced to shave
their heads and they all wear white. The lights are
left on all day. As I said that, they're provided
with no bedding, They contact with the outside world, very
little access to anything other than standing in that cell.
There's two bibles in each set. It's the only sort
of entertainment they're allowed. It just sounds like a torture camp, Like, yeah,
(07:02):
this is completely inhumane, right, it's horrific, and for a
couple of years now, but Kelly has been doing like
these media tours of the of p sicot, like using
it to generate content. It's very much designed to generate
this image of like, this is what will happen to
quote unquote, what will happened to you if you're a
quote unquote in a gang. It's sort of been used
(07:22):
to promote his image of someone who's taking an iron
fist to gangs. And as we saw when these people
were sent to our salbad Or, this tendency to use
I don't know what you would call it incarceration as
a way of making content. It was very much the
case here, right, Yeah, I'm going to break for ads.
(07:42):
When we come back, we will be consuming content that
is people being stripped of their human rights. And we
are back, Garrison. Do you want to go ahead and
play this? And so the the tweet in question, the
(08:04):
zet in question, it's by Naibuke, the president of Bel Salvador. Right,
should I read it out? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I think you should think it's worth noting that like
this style of propaganda close to the mirrors a lot
of what like DHS and the Trump administration is doing
on their official accounts, a lot of a lot of
the like memified content creation format and like aesthetics being
used to just display like torture and deportations and human
arts abuses is very common among government accounts in the
(08:33):
States right now. It's pretty pretty horrifying to look at.
And this this kind of follows the suit and is
possibly even more bleak. Yeah, but yeah, we should read
read this whole, this whole message and then and then
we'll pribace skip around on the video and talk about
what we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, so I'll just read it obviously in turnstand I'm
quoting it hit artly from him. Today, the first two
hundred and thirty eight members of the Venezuelan criminal Organizeation
trend ragois arrived in our country. They were immediately transferred
to SIKORD, the Terrorism Confinement Center for a period of
one year, parentheses renewable. The United States will pay a
(09:11):
very low fee for them, but a high one for
US over time. These actions, combined with a production already
being generated by more than forty thousand inmates engaged in
various workshops and labour under the Zero Idleness Program will
help make our prison system self sustainable. As of today,
it costs two hundred million per year. On this occasion,
the US has sent us twenty three MS thirteen members
(09:35):
wanted by Salvatory Injustice, including two ring leaders. One of
them is a member of the criminal organization's highest structure.
This will help us finalize intelligence gathering and go after
the last remnants of MS thirty, including its former and
new members, money weapons, drugs, hideouts, collaborators, and sponsors. As
always who continue advancing in a fight against organized crime,
(09:56):
but this time we're also helping our allies, making our
prison system self sustain and obtaining vital intelligence to make
a country an even safer place. All in a single action.
They God blessed Sarbador, and they God blessed the United States.
I should probably just add that the US sent three
million dollars to pay for these six million dollars. I'm
sorry to pay for this three hundred prisoners that intended
(10:17):
to send.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
The Zero Idleness program is like one of the most
sinister things I've like read recently.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, I mean you could put out of a Georgio
well or like old Huxley or something right, and it
wouldn't sound out a place.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's even even like you know, it's almost cliche now
to point like German work camps, but like.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Come on, yeah, I mean come on, yeah, yeah, that
we were doing it again.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So yeah, we'll probably play a clip of the music
and then I'm going to skip around on the video.
You're can just talk about what we're seeing here. It's
first we have a shot of an airport with three
different planes and people getting rounded up and pushed on
in single file. It has like this like action movie
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type music lines of soldiers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So as as the.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
People getting loaded on the plane, they're getting like forced
forced down. There's like people with like guns, police military
like manhandling people pushing their heads down, physically removing clothing.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, they're showing their tattoos there, right, that's what they're
pulling up his shirt.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, but like even the way that they just like
walk around with these people like like like forcing their
heads almost like their concrete as they make them shuffle
along the ground, just like basic dehumanization shows them getting
transported onto buses.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, so they said, they're arriving at set good now
sort of bright white, very sterile facility. Now they're being
forced into their knees, yeah, and shaved, getting.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Their beards shaved, heads shaved, getting shackled, all while being
forced onto their knees on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Then the cops doing this are all wearing I guess balaclavas.
Describe them as face masks and hats.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, all of all of the military police officials are
trying to hide their identity as they you know, publicly
display the actions that they're doing, as when they're you know,
shaving and holding people's heads up for the camera.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So it it's it's a lot of that kind of
stuff you see. You see them like pushing pushing people
all in matching white clothes in single file into cells.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, and this is the cell so we spoke about before.
We'll include this link in the in the sources.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's basically just three minutes of torture porn. Like that's like,
that's what that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I guess, yeah, it's it's it's pretty bleak, honestly.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Like, I don't know what else to say about it
besides like it's it's just it's just like channeling pure evil,
Like I like it's it's there's nothing else to say.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I mean that. I don't know how anyone will
watch that and think good. So we should talk about
how they're identifying these people, and we should talk about
the process by which they were sent there. ICE policy
says a person could be deemed a gang member if
they office the notes to quote gang membership identification criteria.
One of the criteria that they seem to be using
(13:27):
in this instance is their tattoos. So there are some
gangs that have a process of tattooing to enter the gang,
right MS thirteen Mara Salva structure, it's what the MS
stands for being one of them. These like Mara Central
American gangs have tended to use that in the past.
This isn't really something that happens with Trend de Raguas
(13:51):
as far as I'm aware of. Some people they've pointed
to tattoos of trains in a document the gear found
from the Texas Department of Public Safety, pointing to stars
as evidence that people were part of Trend de Ragua.
So I remember where Trend Dragua does not have a
policy of tattooing people specifically, because this is a thing
that has been used by law enforcement to identify members, right, like,
(14:14):
it would be silly to keep doing that once once
it's become so clear that the state uses that. So
the one sort of case that I've seen legal documents
on of these people, the one name we have one
of these people who's been sent is a man named
Hersirees Barrios. He was a footballer professional football in Venezuela
who protested against my daughter regime, was tortured and detained
(14:38):
as a result. I've spoken to probably I would imagine
thousands of Venezuela and migrants. Right again, I would like
you to listen to my series on Italian Gap if
you haven't, I put a lot into it. All of
these people have stories of watching people be shot, the
brutal repression of protest, state violence, economic collapse, persecution for
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supporting the opposition in the country, right and this is
one of those stories. The criteria that they used to
identify him were a tattoo which had a football with
a crown over the top and then the word Dios
God in English underneath raise. Barrios's lawyer says that this
is an homage the logo of Real Madrid, his favorite
(15:20):
football club. They have claimed that it is evidence of
gang membership. That's what the government is claiming here. The
other criteria that they used is a picture of him
like throwing up the horns. I guess which I believe
it means I love you in sign language, I'm not
sure if I's think an urban legend or if that's
the case, and there are obviously different sign languages, but
this is a hand gesture. It's especially common in the
(15:42):
Spanish speaking world. If you're not familiar, I have my
little finger and my index finger extended and my two
other fingers curled up as if I was making a fist.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Almost like almost like a spider man hand symbol.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I guess sure, I'm not familiar, but if you say
so to visually reference for people, if you were making
a little cow like a bulk with your hands, sure
you would be doing your shadow puperty. It's very common,
Like yes, it's a very typical hands It's a thing
that people do when they when they're taking photos, like
I've even seen it, like when you know, if there's
if I'm working with a photographer and they're snapping photos
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of larger groups of people. People just do it like
just like people did the peace sign. You know, it's
a thing to do with your hands. Those are two
criteria they use. So I should point out that none
of these people have been accused or convicted of a crime,
either in the United States or in El Salvador. Right.
Even if they had been accused of a crime, even
(16:35):
convicted of a crime, the United States is very unclear
what legal basis they would be to then detain them
in El Salvador. Right, Like, the United States doesn't have
a system whereby we can send people to penal colonies.
At the time of writing, this has been challenged in court. Right,
A district court judge attempted to block the A district
court judge did block these removals. Now, he actually blocked
(16:57):
them before the people had arrived in El Salvador. However,
despite this, the planes didn't turn around. And I'm just
going to quote directly from what the judge said here.
Quote any plane containing these folks and it's going to
take off or is in the air, needs to be
returned to the United States. Then it's another quote later.
(17:17):
This is something you need to make sure he's complied
with immediately. This didn't happen right. The planes went from
the US torndor Salvador. They didn't stop even when the
judge had given this order for them to stop. Now, normally,
in illegal proceedings such as this, right that the government
or one of the parties may not agree with the
(17:39):
findings of the judge and they may choose to appeal
it right, that's very normal. You still comply with the order,
then appeal it right. You don't just keep doing whatever
you feel like doing because you don't think the judge
was right like that. That's in theory, not how this
works now in practice. What means does a judge have
to force the executive to listen to him? I don't know.
(18:02):
We're not seeing any of them on display at the minute.
The government has cited various reasons for ignoring the ruling.
One of them press Securely Caroline leave It claimed that
there was quote no lawful basis for the ruling. Go
back to my previous statement about how you're supposed to
appeal things. They also claimed in court that a verbal
order is not the same as a written one. That's
(18:24):
not something that's generally understood to be the case, and
that because the flights were over international water, the order
did not apply. This was then part of the foreign
policy powers reserved to the president. That last one is
particularly worrying. You effectively don't have your rights in international waters,
role like humans don't have rights in international waters.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, it's just allowing the US government or the UST
government trying to say that it's allowed to do whatever
it wants if the action is being taken or not,
like immediately on US soil or other foreigns oil.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah. So we're going to take another break and when
we come back, we will talk about their response to
this judge is ruling. All right, and we are back.
So Trump's response to this Judge Boseberg's ruling was, I'm
(19:27):
just going to read this is a true social post
aka a truth quote. This radical left lunatic of a judge,
a troublemaker and agitator who was sadly appointed by Barak Hussein.
Obama was not elected president. M Dash. I'm not going
to say when it's capitalized, just to understand that it's
sporadically capitalized in the fashion that Trump likes to do.
(19:49):
He didn't win the popular vote. Parentheses by a lot
exclamation mark comma. He didn't win all seven swing states,
he didn't win two seven hundred and fifty to five
and twenty five counties. He didn't win anything. I won
for many reasons in an overwhelming mandate, but fightling illegal
immigration may have been the number one reason for this
historic victory and just doing what the voters wanted me
(20:12):
to do. This judge, like many of the crooked judges
I'm forced to appear before, should be impeached. We don't
want vicious, violent, and demented criminals, many of them deranged murderers,
in our country. Make America great again, Tom Homan. The
borders are also told Fox News quote, I don't care
what the judges think.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
We made a promised to American people. The President Trump
has made a promised to American people. We're going to
make this country safe again. I wake up every morning
loving my job because I work for the greatest president
in the history of my life, and we're going to
make this country safe again. I'm probably a part of
this administration. We're not stopping. I don't care what the
judges think. I don't care the left. Thanks were coming too.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I just love saying you going through these protestss just
crunching on the apple as they're liberal tiers, just just
floout the hallway.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Tom Holman, thanks so much for joining the program.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You got to think this is open defiance of the courts, right, Like,
I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's what we've been talking about the past month on
executive disorder. How we are just continually like ramping up
this clash between the executive branch and the judicial branch.
The congressional branch has already basically given up all of
their power, and yeah, this is like an actual constitutional crisis.
Very few people are taking this as seriously as what
it should be, and even the courts seem a little
(21:33):
bit tepid to like actually enforce their own power or
like try to.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, I mean Boseberg mentioned contempt once from what I
can find on pacer, but like, obviously these judges I
think are somewhat concerned that if they, you know, they
find the government in contempt to court, then what happens
because if you like, yeah, if you play your Trump
card and no one cares, then you have no chives
left to play.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It's it's kind of odd how the judges themselves are
seemingly afraid of like pushing this constitutional crisis into a
explicit territory right to be like what if we do
the thing that then makes it clear to everyone else
like we have no power, like like we actually have
like like it is just authoritarianism via the executive branch. Yeah,
(22:18):
it's almost like they're trying to like backpedal from this
like very obvious accelerationist push of like no, we need
to actually test test this.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Out, yeah, because we need to know where we're at.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Like, and they're scared too, because they're scared what if
what if that testing causes like the Trump side to win.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, but that we're already winning in the in the
absence of testing exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
And the problem is that in absence of that, you
were just giving up and letting Trump win. Yeah. Like,
after Trump called to impeach the quote unquote radical leftist
lunatic of a judge who tried to temporarily halt the
the deportation of of these three hundred Venezuelan immigrants, Chief
Justice John Roberts made a rare public statement rebuking calls
(23:02):
to impeach judges for rulings that don't align with political agendas,
and that's as far as they're going. Right now, they're
making rare public statements saying you probably shouldn't call to
impeach a judge. Meanwhile, Musk complaints on Twitter dot com
about a quote unquote judicial coup, and it mistakenly calls
for sixty senators to impeach a leftist to judges. Now,
(23:23):
of course, the Senate does not do impeachments. The House does,
and the Senate requires sixty seven votes to convict it
and remove someone from office once impeached. So haha, we gotcha,
We gotcha. Elon, you made a mistake, We win notes co. Yeah,
it's where we're at right now with this case. We're
(23:43):
recording this.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
On Thursday, Bosebag gave them a twenty four our extension
to provide details about the flights. The government has suggested
that it might claim that these are state secrets, despite
the fact that it has widely publicized these flights, including
in the video that we discussed.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, they're turning these into like TikTok is, Instagram real
hype videos.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
They're not state secrets publicly.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You're publicly displaying these to show that these people are
not human. Yeah, like you're trying to scare everyone into
saying we decide if you are a person or not,
and if you're not a person, this is what we
can do.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This, we can do whatever we want to. Yeah, it
should be noted as well, there is actually a process
in US law through the Alien Terrorist Removal Court for
the expedited removal of terrorist suspects without revealing classified information publicly.
In fact, Boseberg was chief judge on that court for
five years Jesus Christ. But we are not using that
process where we using the Alien Enemies Act in today.
(24:40):
So yeah, this is in new exciting territory. In On Monday,
so that's the day that you're hearing this, a panel
of judges from the District Court in DC will hear
an appeal by the United States government against Bosberg's attentive
restraining order, the one that it obey anyway, so we
(25:03):
will have more on this and we will keep updating
you on this and SUF fight it to say that
I guess again, this is a constitutional crisis, Like this
is what it looks like. I don't I don't know
if people expect like fireworks to go off or like
some confetti to drop and it to be like the
separation of powers is gone. But if the government can
ignore the courts, and that is what is happening. So
(25:25):
I guess we will see in the meantime. These people,
many of whom one of them was a musician, one
of them was a football player, right like. I've interviewed hundreds,
if not thousands, of fens wild migrants, and most of them,
it will shock you to hear, are just people who
don't want to live with the boot of the state
on the neck, people who want to make a decent
(25:47):
living for their their families for what it's worth. None
of the Venezuelan migrants I met in the Daddian Gap
or in the United States or have come to United States.
And my knowledge is for people who are like wondering
how those stories kind of resolve, they resolve with people
currently stuck in Mexico in pretty terrible conditions, either working
for very little or unable to work at all, and
(26:08):
trying to work out what to do. It's pretty bleak
for them, it's pretty bleak for us to if this
is the duration that things are going. I don't ever
have much more to say.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
No, I don't know what else there is to say
about them, just bypassing the courts to do a complete
authoritarian overgrab so that they can send hundreds of people
to essentially like a labor camp black site in a
different country for an unknown period of time without any
legal process.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Like it's to be clear, not all of these people
even entered the United States between ports of entry, which
has been charged as a misdemeanor. Generally isn't charged. Some
of them came with the CPP one, the fucking app
the thing you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
These are not proven criminals like these these these are
just people some of who immigrated legally and have been
detained by ICE. I don't now shipped off to a
like torture labor prison in a different country where they're
going to stay for at least a year in parenthesis
(27:11):
renewable so like in death Like it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
They can be forced to labor for the rest of
their lives, a thing that has happened before in human history.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
No, Like, if you're like history understanders should look at
what's happening and be like, oh, we're doing that again, huh.
And the only way that this ends is with people
getting angry enough to start doing something about it. And
I feel like we are we're so like everyone's become
so complacent that it's even hard to get people to
care or like hear about this sort of thing from happening.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, and you don't have to be like I want
to phrase this in radical terms that you don't have
to be like anywhere on the left to understand that, like,
this is an assault on basic human rights. It's just
sort on the foundational principles of the United States government.
And everyone should be said about this. You shouldn't be
a left right issue. This should be like a right
(28:03):
wrong issue. So hopefully you can all have some talks
with your family this week. I don't know, like, I
think it's really important to push back on the idea
that these people have done any crimes, because they have not,
that they have been convicted or found using any reasonable
degree of evidence to be members of gangs like TRENDRAGU.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And even if they have been convicted, they should not
be sent to the Al Salvador Orticer labor camp. But
the fact that they're not even convicted, these are just
random in some cases, like random Venezuelan men who have
been rounded up.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
For the crime of having tattoos for the most part,
fucking horrifying. It is petrifying. Yeah, it's happening. It is
happening here.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Every day we're getting closer to the cool Zone as
more and more people start taking this situation seriously.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, so yeah, take it seriously. You know, advocate for
these people. Best of luck, And if you want to
email us, you can do cool Zone Tip at proton
dot me. That's an encrypted email address, but it's only
encrypted end to end. If you also send from an
encrypted email address, do your due diligence, and yeah, send us,
(29:12):
send us tips if you have tips, ideas, if you
have ideas, and we will be back tomorrow with more
things that are happening here.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
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