November 4, 2021 • 30 mins
School boards have quickly become one of the main frontlines for pushing far-right ideas into the zeitgeist. This episode we discuss how online organizing is accelerating the acceptance of violence at these meetings.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's critical my race theories? UM, well, all right, that's
not a great introduction, but it's not a great time
in America. I'm Robert Evans. This is it could happen
here with me tonight as often but not always is
is Garrison Davis UH and our good friend Christopher Wong. Uh.
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We're here to talk about, um a bunch of stuff. Largely,
we're talking about the increasing and escalating attacks on school
boards and attempts to take over and dominate school boards
by far right activists. And a lot of this is
centered around critical race theory, a lot of it centered
around vaccine mandates. It all kind of blends together like
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a good gumbo um or like fascist syncretism UM. One
of the things I would say that's that's kind of
most relevant right now as we're recording this. I don't
think the race has been officially called, but it's become
an increasingly obvious that Uh, Terry mccaulliffe has lost his
re election bid and the new governor of Virginia will
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be a Republican who, among other things, as like promised
and based a huge amount of his campaign on banning
critical race theory and specifically like banning books and ship
from being taught in Virginia schools UM. And this is
all the result of a pretty far reaching UM and
and complex and honestly pretty pretty scary campaign. And we're
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gonna talk about that tonight, Garrison. Do you wanna do
you wanna take it from here? Yeah? Yeah, I'll do
a little bit then we can move over to telegram.
But yeah, you like the getty lee of this. So
so this is your drum solo time. Yeah, we we
decided we needed to do an episode on this, Sinnon
And later when a few weeks ago, a large number
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of of of of anti vacts and anti mask protesters
UM took over a school board meeting in uh Portland.
And the reason why that is special in and of
itself because this has been happening across the country for
a long time. But that but the fact that they
were able to overwhelm and shut down an entire school
board meeting with hundreds of people like invading this building,
UM and shutting this down with just the shurement of
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like power that the people had there was it was
It's notable because it's like it's it's a liberal ish city, right,
It's that's generally how people view it as. And you know,
we're used to this happening, you know, more like southern
states and states that are more like overwhelmingly conservative. But
when like a Portland school board meeting get shut down,
people were like, oh wow, this is like extra important
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because this is showing that it's not this isn't isolated
to like quote unquote red states, right, this can this
can spread out everywhere now, you know. With Portland it
was it was a mix of like hippie types who
are like anti vax, but there was a good deal
of like actual proud boys there as well. Yes, and
it was partly organized through an organization run by the
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Bundies UM, and there were some direct ties and they
helped to advertise it. So it's there's a lot of UM.
I mean, one of the things that was so unsettling
is that a lot of these people were not Portland's residents,
but they were showing up and we're able to effectively
like take over and dominate a Portland's school board meeting.
UM in part because law enforcement is never ever willing
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to do anything against there's there's a there's a lot
of a lot of points here so like, yeah, one
of it being is like these like these big mobs
are definitely able to benefit from being you know, white,
mostly middle class like parents and stuff, or maybe not
maybe not not even parents. They're gonna be a white
middle class um, which means they can like storm buildings
and shut stuff down without any real consequence because police
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aren't police and security aren't really going to get involved
that much, and the like the libs are not gonna
like really be pushing back on this in any kind
of make fun of these people if they misspell something
on a sign. Yeah. So, like basically the idea for
this episode as we want to talk about why and
how school boards have become kind of the new front
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lines for pushing far right stuff into the culturals like guist,
because they've really become the new, the new, the new
like space that people on the right are able to
push things that are that are more that are more extreme,
and push things that are gonna you know, hurt you know,
kids mostly m hmm. So looking for this, we put
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together a decent amount of stuff from organizing chats for
how basically the right is talking about these things and
how they're trying to organize it. UM. And one really
interesting kind of thing of not which will come up
later in the telegram stuff, is that in I think
it was when was it it was late September, UM,
the National school Boards Associations like that the National school
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Board Union UM put in a request for federal assistance
to stop um ongoing threats and acts of violence against
UH school boards like meeting members and people president at
school boards because this has been ramping up. You know
this that this was happening the last last school season
as well, but really the past few months, the the
prevalence and the number of these types of like mobs
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based overtaking these school boards has become so much more
common UM that the school Board Union put in like
sent like a letter directly to the president saying, hey,
we kind of need help here. UM. So it's it's
not just it's this is this is a problem that's
recognized widely even among people like on school boards, because yeah,
they're getting like harassed, they're getting death threats. UM. This
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is becoming like unsafe to hold school board meetings. UM.
And whether or not you like our modern school system
or not, the resulting effect of this is that it's
gonna be hurting like kids, like like, it's a good
whether it be through like COVID, whether it be through
teaching them racist like curriculums, or whether it be to
you know, making trans kids make their lives a whole
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lot harder. Right, all of this kind of stuff is
gonna be worse by this happening. So it is something
definitely worth caring about. Yeah, it's worth caring about. All
It's clearly an attempt in order to to to arrest
the kind of progressive tilt that that society has gone through.
All of this is a reaction both too. I mean,
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the religious right was initially, more than anything, a reaction
to desegregation and the women's liberation movement UM. And what
we're seeing now is a reaction to primarily the gains
that LGBT people have made in the last like twenty years,
including the legalization of gay marriage UM. And so the
ultimate goal of all of this is to stop progress
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towards racial justice, to roll back gay rights, UM, to
enshrine white supremacy using violence. And that's why, I that's
why all of these different school board meanings, like the
threat of violence from these people is a constant factor. UM.
There's regular discussion of it. There's like, I mean, that's
why the Proud Boys are showing up. Is to be
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a of like is to be a death squad, um,
you know, a little precursor death squad. They're not quite
willing to start start pulling triggers yet, but they want
people to know that it's possible. They want to scare
people away from getting involved in local politics unless they
adhere to a very specific far right political ideas. It's
working because a lot of these school boards are getting
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these school meanings are just getting shut down, like they
just can't have them in person or sometimes not at
all because they'll just they'll like zoom bam. Like it's
not like they're just shutting down so they cannot take
place or at school by members are afraid to go
out in public because these people are are going to
hurt them. Um. And this is like a lot of
people involved in this are maybe not themselves like Proud
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Boys like they they're they're they're they're not super like
their individual lee are more kind of regular Republicans in
these states. But the reason why it gets so extreme
and accelerate so quickly is mostly because of how these
organizing efforts take place, and also because of stuff like
Fox News and News Marx and on it and O
A N like pushing people further right in the past
few years, but like specifically the method of organizing on
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apps like Telegram and Facebook groups. This this is, this
is the thing common on the Internet, but like it
rewards accelerationism, it rewards the most extreme, takes those the
ones to get shared the most. So even if you
know this is just some mom and her forties who's
not a proud boy by any means, she's she still
poses a threat in this in this way because she's
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who boosting this same rhetoric and as part of these
same organizing channels that are full of like actual fascists. Uh,
there's a decent amount of very popular posts from very
popular channels I pulled that talks about the Jews in
the school boards and we we'll get to that kind
of stuff shortly. Um So there, Robert, do you wanna
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start on the telegram with the whole the whole school
board Telegram channel that is popped up by no means
the most popular Telegram channel for organizing, but it is
specifically dedicated to school boards because of how Telegram works.
This channel gets shared around a lot in other much
bigger channels. Yeah, and and just so you know, So
the way Telegram works, if you're a decent person, um
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and you don't live in a country where Telegram is
a legitimately good choice for you, there's some areas where
it's perfectly normal social media network, but for the most
part in the United States it's used by fascists and
weirdos um. So if you're fortunate enough to not use Telegram,
the way it works is you have open groups and
closed groups. Open groups are anyone can view them, Uh,
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you don't expose yourself by looking at them, and people
largely just kind of post images, memes, videos and then
can comment on them. And a lot of what's posted
in any given Telegram channel is shared from another Telegram channel.
So for people like Garrison and I who research extremism,
one of the uses of telegram is that by looking
at what's being shared in one group from other groups,
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you can actually start to build networks and see, oh,
there's affinity between these two groups. Because this group may
claim that they're just concerned conservatives, but they're sharing all
of this, all of this content from this far right
you know Pepe group that's also sharing a lot of
neo Nazi content, and you can see there's a lot
of affinity between the other thing that happens is that
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these channels that are getting big and being you and
you are being used for this kind of like right
wing organizing who present themselves as more just like regular
conservative channels. If you I've been in this channel for
like years at this point, and this channel used to
be a like proud Boy channel. They just change their name.
Like It's like that happens all the time, where a
lot of the big organizing channels used to be like
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openly violent organizing, like for different mobs to go beat
up people, and now they've rebranded to make them appeal
more to like regular Trump voters. That is the other
thing that happens all the time. And one of the
main channels that we're talking about today is one of
these one of these channels that used to be a
proud Boy thing and is now just kind of right
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wing organizing a general Yeah, and it's um, I don't know,
I'm just gonna get into it. So actually you know
what I'm going to get into before I start talking
about fascists on telegram trying to destroy the concept of democracy.
You know what else is trying to destroy the concept
of democracy? That's right, Chris, products and services, that's right.
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Oh my god, we are just having a great time here.
So let's talk about Stand for Students, which is a
telegram channel that Garrison pointed out to me, and I
spent more time than I really wanted to. Yeah, that's never, never,
never a good idea. So the stuff in here, this
is no umber one on the surface, a much more
moderate group. These people are not ranting about like Jews
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destroying civilization or the need to like execute uh black
people or something like that. Um, the stuff in here
runs the gamut from like one of the first things
I found was a clip from Jesse Ventura, wrestler, predator
star and former governor once had a conspiracy TV show.
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There's a popular clip in anti vaccine circles from it
where he's talking with Alex Jones about the Builderberg group
and stuff. So I found that in there, which is
like pretty garden variety, like early two thousands conspiracy nonsense.
Definitely like, oh yeah, these are like older people, like
I don't think mostly boomers, but definitely like gen X
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and stuff, like folks who were in like their forties
and fifties. Um, this is the kind of ship that
they would have been like exposed to in their late
twenties and whatnot. Um. One of the posters I found
commenting on that video said quote aired onto TV into
this and nine about a plan for depopulation through a
virus and injections. Too much of a coincidence, and another
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responded to this. I was never a huge Alex Jones fan,
but he was right all along. My kids were born
in the early eighties and I refused their vaxes way
back then. Unfortunately, one of them is now a late
thirties CNN jabbed zombie and has infected my grandkids with
this inspiric experimental treatment. I'm done, um, which is silly,
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but it also keys you and like these are it's
it's what you see a lot with Q and on right.
It's these folks who are getting brought in onto telegram. Yeah,
it's great. It's terrible that this person, this lady who
has to be what in her fifties sixties my parents age,
the boomer um is on telegram which two years ago
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even was the only Americans you were fine, We're fine,
were like extremely online Nazi weirdos. Um. Yeah, I remember
doing like old trainings like yeah, it was over over
two years ago, and telegram was nowhere near the prevalent
for like regular organizing now. And this is a result
of of the d platforming of folks in the wake
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of the capital attack. But anyway, we don't need to
get too much into that right now, So I want
to talk a little bit more about some of the
things folks are sharing in this in this channel, which
is again kind of like I'm gonna guess everyone here
is kind of late thirties to maybe sixties, fifties, sixties.
There's one local story that it was actually very popular
among a lot of like lefty folks on Twitter of
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this like group of dads who showed up to stop
there's like an epidemic of fighting in their school or something,
and they showed up to do like a community policing
or a community self defense sort of thing. It was
celebrated by a lot of folks because it was like, oh, hey,
this is you know, a way that communities can protect
themselves without cops. YadA, YadA, YadA. Which is a nice
thing to see. It was also celebrated um by these people, um,
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by by people in this channel, and specifically the clip
of the news story covering this I found was from
the Pepe Lives Matter channel, which is, um, you know,
an alt right channel like it. Again, as we were
talking about earlier, the Pepe Lives isn't all like the
way full Nazi pilled stuff, um, but it shares a
lot of stuff from the channels that are straight up Nazis,
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And so you can you can see already this like
lady in her sixties who's probably with some pretty normal
boomer three years ago, is now two steps away from
Adam often type motherfucker's that's just the way telegram works, um,
And they're all kind of bonding. Over again, this is
not a bad story what these local dads did, but
it very much ties into this idea of like we
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gotta get all these parents together and take action in
the real world, like and that's gonna that's gonna go
towards taking action against the people you don't want showing
up in your school, meaning like black children and like children. Yes, yes,
that's yeah, yeah, yeah. Community self defense is great, but
also It really depends on what community is defending itself
from what. UM. So that's all probably have to talk
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about that more at some point in the future. But yeah,
another thing I found on that channel was video this.
This I dug into a bit. So there was this
video that was claimed to be an ad. It was,
in fact an ad that Comcast had refused to air.
UM and the video this, this unaired ad claimed that
it was about. It was telling the story of a
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thirteen year old girl, Maddie de Garay Um, who was vaccinated.
She was part of a FASER trial and had she
claims like a disastrously bad reaction. UM. An ad about
her situation was rejected by Comcast. UM and this girl
like has done the whole right wing in her I'm
I'm guessing her parents are the driver's done the whole
right wing media kind of circuit at this point. UM.
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The fact that Comcast banned the ad is what the
people in this telegram channel were yelling about. UM. And
I want to actually quote from the an article about
why Comcast rejected it, because it makes clear what's actually
happening here. Comcast is said to have told the ads
buyer it was rejected because it needed substantial creation and
all graphic images needed to be removed. Documents reportedly submitted
for substantiation included the girl's complete medical records, which are
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said to have outlined symptoms such as erratic blood pressure
and pulse, muscle spasms, muscle tremors, headaches, brain fog, mixing
up words, and the inability to walk and cough. Um.
So you've got this case where number one there's graphic images, um,
and number two there's documentations that this girl has symptoms,
but there's not documentation that they're tied in any way
to the vaccine, Like it's just one of these the
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comcast is being careful to not spread unsubstantiated shit about
vaccine reactions and stuff. Um. But within the telegram channel,
the focus is entirely on like how this is evidence
of this conspiracy there suppressing information and suppressing information. Um.
One response was, why in Heaven's name don't these parents
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do their research before having their kids vaccinated? My heart
goes out to the precious child and family. What a
lesson to learn for so many parents. Never too late
to educate your selves. People. Also, I want to point
it just that the spelling and the are incredible. There's
an upsetting amount of emojis that Yeah, honestly, I couldn't
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never never two with one oh late to educate your
space selves. Uh, it's just again and now I'm doing
they're doing the thing. I'm doing the thing I tried
not to. I did try to give it a straight
read through. You can be challenging with It's like it's
very funny content. It's it's very funny. Yeah, but but
but I think you know this, this is this goes
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back to the whole point about how this pradicalization works, right,
which is, you know you have, especially with anti vax
stuff that has this sort of larger base from just
like regular peer like hardwright Nazi stuff. You get to
see people who you know, otherwise probably would be a
vaguely normal person, very very quickly get all this stuff
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and very quickly just go off the deep end. They're not. Yeah,
these it is it's hard to say like these are
all extremists because like they are themselves aren't extremists. There's
surrounded by so much content that is made by extremists
that it's making them do these things, which is how,
which is how extremism works right, but it's it's challenging
because like when you try to explain this to someone,
you're like, no, this is obviously just like a regular
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grandma or something, right, And it's hard to explain to
them how fast this thing can move to the point
where they're showing up at a school board with their
grand killed children yelling at like teachers and stuff. Yeah,
and it's not that this lady is a Nazi. It's
that this lady can be, through the process you just outlined,
convinced to stand up next to a Nazi and like, uh,
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defend his his right to do violence to people. She
has been convinced are president a threat to the lives
of her, her grandchildren, which is people may say, like
the whole like, oh, it's not worth parsing out that
much if you're standing next to a Nazi or a Nazi,
but like I would argue, no, what's actually the logistics
of what is happening here are much more dangerous than
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a grandma radicalized into national socialism. Anyway. Another meme I
found it was a screen grab from fucking um Shawshank
Redemption with Morgan Freeman and I don't know whatever one
of the white dudes in that movie in prison jumpsuits,
sitting next to each other, and it's the text on
it is what are you in for? I spoke of
at a school board meeting, which you she see a
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lot of stuff like this, the idea that they're going
to jail, they're going to get rated by the FBI
because they're like showing up at school boards to protest
vaccine mandates and mask mandates. Um. And then like in
the middle of all this stuff mostly talking about like
anti vac shit, there's also this post talking about how
this post that's a video of a woman at a
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school board talking about how a book needed to be banned,
and she's reading. The book she's reading is a queer memoir, um,
and it's about I'll talk about this more at the end,
but you can definitely mention it here because it gets
up a lot. It's it's a gay it's a gay
coming of age story, right, And as a result, there's
a couple of of semi graphic scenes in it. And
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she like gets up in front of the school board
and reads this and argues that it's basically like pornography.
The children. They think it's child pornography. Yeah, that's what
they're marching mistaken what child pornography is. They're trying to
they're trying to get all the people at the school
board either killed or arrested over this. That is that
is their goal. And I'll talk about this specific instance
later because it keeps coming up with all of these channels,
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and it's one of the main things that links someone
from like a sodden red channel to a channel like this.
This is like one of the main things they've been
using the past few weeks, like this is the current,
this is like the past, and and this is this
though has been going on for a while. You've seen
a lot of like the libertarian right wing, a lot
of like kill your local pedophile shirts because who's gonna
and most people don't think, like, who's going to defend
a pedophile about pedophiles? Yeah, the proud boy at the
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Portland school Board who was standing and ready to fight,
the ready to fight scared guards and stuff, he was
wearing a killer local pedophile. Uh, it's this is this
is the thing. This is the thing the right wing
figured out. And if they figured this out a long
time ago, which is that Okay, if if you want
to get a bunch of people who are vaguely normal
to do like absolutely horrible violence. The way you do
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it is to tell them that they're threatening kids and
it doesn't matter what yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know
and this once and what once you've convinced you know,
like this, this is this is just a very I
think a very important thing about media messaging in general
is that the literally the instant someone says think of
the children, you need to stop and you need to
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disregard everything they're about to say after that stick. Yeah,
Like of the time that person is like about to
try to convince you that like you need to like
we need to murder the gauge or something like that.
Like that's that. That's the thing that follows from I
feel confident saying no one has ever advocated thinking of
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the children and meant anything, but I want to kill
this specific group of people. Um, just like I that's
not even really hyperbole. It's it's a a trite and
true organizing tactic for these people, and it's part of
the reason why, like the famous white nationalist catchphrase is
focused around we need to secure a future for white children, right,
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Like that's what they're always talking about with all of
this ship and it's it's about being able to demonize
a group in a way that they can't be defended.
It's about ending any sort of debate or conversation, and
it's about justifying thoughtless violence because it's you're protecting children. Um.
You know who else protects children, Robert, definitely not the
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As we as we as I was talking about that,
there's a post and in the post is a video
of a woman from a different school board meeting reading
out a graphics graphic ish sex scene from this queer
memoir and ranting about how it's it's child pornography. Comments
include fucking monsters running these schools, satanic and disgusting an
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elementary school. Unreal. Why aren't charges brought against the school
for distributing pornography to minors? It's not even read they
can It's just available from some other library. It's like,
because you can request a lot of books at libraries
in all caps, where's the sheriffs, where are the city, county, state,
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and federal task forces? And uh yeah, it's It'll talk
about this more in the next episode. Tied to the
overarching anti anti queer, anti trans, anti gay school board
side of things, and of course other things I found.
There's like video of them celebrating Capital rioters, celebrating Josh
Holly for defending Capital rioters. Um. I went into some
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other channels that were adjacent that I saw shared, you know,
in this channel. One of them was Oscar's midnight writer
Patriot Post channel, which actually has thousands and thousands of followers.
Average post would get two to three thousand views. Um,
here's one. I'm considered a domestic terrorist if I tell
a school board that I don't want my eight year
old daughter watching sex videos in her third grade classroom. Um,
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and that post was right above this post. The constitution
actually says you can legally overthrow your government if they
are tyrannical. And that post was right above this post,
which was a screen which was a screen grab from
a Twitter account for a guy who calls himself Murray
Rothbard seventeen seventies X. The FBI didn't rate Epstein Island
or protect hundreds of young female gymnasts from being sexually
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assaulted for years, but they'll raid your PTA meetings when
you questioned the curriculum and on scientific mask mandates and
their indoctrination camps, I mean public schools. And of course
this from Twitter user named Emerald Robinson. And again this
is all shared in that channel. It's like a screen
grab from Twitter. When the FBI starts arresting parents at
school board meetings, just remember the GOP senators who made
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it happen by confirming Merritt Gardland as Attorney general. And
then it's a list of Republican u Emerald Emarad Robinson
is the White House correspondent for news Max. Oh right,
oh my god, yeah, you're right. Uh huh great, great,
So I don't know. That's probably all I should get into.
Uh well, no, there's we can more things. So Oscar's
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Midnight Writer, which was shared in in that uh that
school board channel took me to the Western Chauvinist school
Board Channel, which took me to a post which with
a video UM with a link to a video. The
text with the video was woman at school board meeting
calls out Jewish power by name um and it's a
woman ranting about how the Jews are behind all of
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the critical race theory in schools UM. So again not
hard to get to this kind of ship. Another post
was it was in the Western Chauvinist Telegram. It was
sharing a post from the Murder the Media telegram who
were part of the Capital riot. UM. That post from
Murder the Media was National school Board Association apology letter
for calling you domestic terrorists. It was we'll talk about
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this later, but the comment in the Western Chauvinist was like,
we don't apologize for being like for being domestic terrorists.
Like we're yeah, we we think it's rad that they
called us domestic terrorists. Because Javinist channel, by the way,
has over fifty subscribers UM and used to be a
proud Boy channel, which is now just a general kind
of farther right wing organizing channel that it's probably it's
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one of the most shared Telegram channels in this whole network. UM,
and they are really good at creating propaganda that appeals
to Trump voters while slipping in a lot of accelerationist
talking points UM to slowly lead people on that breadcrumb
trail to make them be okay with mass violence. There
was a comment in there, forwarded from another from the
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telegram account of a guy named Eric Striker. UM and
this was a post Striker made commenting on a video
of a father being dragged out of a quote woke
school board meeting. UM for uh complaining of complaining about
this kind of ship UM. The post from Eric Striker
I think is worth reading, and I'm going to read
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it now. For now, all we can do is impotently
watch injustices like this unfold. This is really upsetting. We
must build our political organization to the point where we
can rapidly mobilize to defend this man, including physical demonstrations,
sent him free legal support, and make people realize that
the time of fucking with whites is over. We need
our own media, civil society groups and activists. We need
money and volunteers. It's not the Republican Party or anything
(28:58):
in the conservative movement. It never or will be. We
need to build it from scratch. We are well underway
National Justice Party. We must quietly and patiently build. Eventually
we will have the capacity to come on the scene
when they at least expect it and will be and
we will be too powerful to stop. And that's probably
where we should end for today. Yep. That that's a
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schoolboard meetings. We'll get into a lot more like accelerating
rhetoric in the next bit and then talk about kind
of where the stuff originated from and the other other
side of things beyond just like the CRT and UH
and and mask stuff, because it branches out into a
lot of other kind of adjacent cultural war bullshit issues. Um. Anyway, yeah,
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What's critical my race theories? UM, well, all right, that's
not a great introduction, but it's not a great time
in America. I'm Robert Evans. This is it could happen
here with me tonight as often but not always is
is Garrison Davis UH and our good friend Christopher Wong. Uh.
(00:29):
We're here to talk about, um a bunch of stuff. Largely,
we're talking about the increasing and escalating attacks on school
boards and attempts to take over and dominate school boards
by far right activists. And a lot of this is
centered around critical race theory, a lot of it centered
around vaccine mandates. It all kind of blends together like
(00:50):
a good gumbo um or like fascist syncretism UM. One
of the things I would say that's that's kind of
most relevant right now as we're recording this. I don't
think the race has been officially called, but it's become
an increasingly obvious that Uh, Terry mccaulliffe has lost his
re election bid and the new governor of Virginia will
(01:14):
be a Republican who, among other things, as like promised
and based a huge amount of his campaign on banning
critical race theory and specifically like banning books and ship
from being taught in Virginia schools UM. And this is
all the result of a pretty far reaching UM and
and complex and honestly pretty pretty scary campaign. And we're
(01:37):
gonna talk about that tonight, Garrison. Do you wanna do
you wanna take it from here? Yeah? Yeah, I'll do
a little bit then we can move over to telegram.
But yeah, you like the getty lee of this. So
so this is your drum solo time. Yeah, we we
decided we needed to do an episode on this, Sinnon
And later when a few weeks ago, a large number
(01:58):
of of of of anti vacts and anti mask protesters
UM took over a school board meeting in uh Portland.
And the reason why that is special in and of
itself because this has been happening across the country for
a long time. But that but the fact that they
were able to overwhelm and shut down an entire school
board meeting with hundreds of people like invading this building,
UM and shutting this down with just the shurement of
(02:20):
like power that the people had there was it was
It's notable because it's like it's it's a liberal ish city, right,
It's that's generally how people view it as. And you know,
we're used to this happening, you know, more like southern
states and states that are more like overwhelmingly conservative. But
when like a Portland school board meeting get shut down,
people were like, oh wow, this is like extra important
(02:43):
because this is showing that it's not this isn't isolated
to like quote unquote red states, right, this can this
can spread out everywhere now, you know. With Portland it
was it was a mix of like hippie types who
are like anti vax, but there was a good deal
of like actual proud boys there as well. Yes, and
it was partly organized through an organization run by the
(03:06):
Bundies UM, and there were some direct ties and they
helped to advertise it. So it's there's a lot of UM.
I mean, one of the things that was so unsettling
is that a lot of these people were not Portland's residents,
but they were showing up and we're able to effectively
like take over and dominate a Portland's school board meeting.
UM in part because law enforcement is never ever willing
(03:28):
to do anything against there's there's a there's a lot
of a lot of points here so like, yeah, one
of it being is like these like these big mobs
are definitely able to benefit from being you know, white,
mostly middle class like parents and stuff, or maybe not
maybe not not even parents. They're gonna be a white
middle class um, which means they can like storm buildings
and shut stuff down without any real consequence because police
(03:50):
aren't police and security aren't really going to get involved
that much, and the like the libs are not gonna
like really be pushing back on this in any kind
of make fun of these people if they misspell something
on a sign. Yeah. So, like basically the idea for
this episode as we want to talk about why and
how school boards have become kind of the new front
(04:11):
lines for pushing far right stuff into the culturals like guist,
because they've really become the new, the new, the new
like space that people on the right are able to
push things that are that are more that are more extreme,
and push things that are gonna you know, hurt you know,
kids mostly m hmm. So looking for this, we put
(04:36):
together a decent amount of stuff from organizing chats for
how basically the right is talking about these things and
how they're trying to organize it. UM. And one really
interesting kind of thing of not which will come up
later in the telegram stuff, is that in I think
it was when was it it was late September, UM,
the National school Boards Associations like that the National school
(04:58):
Board Union UM put in a request for federal assistance
to stop um ongoing threats and acts of violence against
UH school boards like meeting members and people president at
school boards because this has been ramping up. You know
this that this was happening the last last school season
as well, but really the past few months, the the
prevalence and the number of these types of like mobs
(05:22):
based overtaking these school boards has become so much more
common UM that the school Board Union put in like
sent like a letter directly to the president saying, hey,
we kind of need help here. UM. So it's it's
not just it's this is this is a problem that's
recognized widely even among people like on school boards, because yeah,
they're getting like harassed, they're getting death threats. UM. This
(05:45):
is becoming like unsafe to hold school board meetings. UM.
And whether or not you like our modern school system
or not, the resulting effect of this is that it's
gonna be hurting like kids, like like, it's a good
whether it be through like COVID, whether it be through
teaching them racist like curriculums, or whether it be to
you know, making trans kids make their lives a whole
(06:08):
lot harder. Right, all of this kind of stuff is
gonna be worse by this happening. So it is something
definitely worth caring about. Yeah, it's worth caring about. All
It's clearly an attempt in order to to to arrest
the kind of progressive tilt that that society has gone through.
All of this is a reaction both too. I mean,
(06:31):
the religious right was initially, more than anything, a reaction
to desegregation and the women's liberation movement UM. And what
we're seeing now is a reaction to primarily the gains
that LGBT people have made in the last like twenty years,
including the legalization of gay marriage UM. And so the
ultimate goal of all of this is to stop progress
(06:51):
towards racial justice, to roll back gay rights, UM, to
enshrine white supremacy using violence. And that's why, I that's
why all of these different school board meanings, like the
threat of violence from these people is a constant factor. UM.
There's regular discussion of it. There's like, I mean, that's
why the Proud Boys are showing up. Is to be
(07:14):
a of like is to be a death squad, um,
you know, a little precursor death squad. They're not quite
willing to start start pulling triggers yet, but they want
people to know that it's possible. They want to scare
people away from getting involved in local politics unless they
adhere to a very specific far right political ideas. It's
working because a lot of these school boards are getting
(07:34):
these school meanings are just getting shut down, like they
just can't have them in person or sometimes not at
all because they'll just they'll like zoom bam. Like it's
not like they're just shutting down so they cannot take
place or at school by members are afraid to go
out in public because these people are are going to
hurt them. Um. And this is like a lot of
people involved in this are maybe not themselves like Proud
(07:56):
Boys like they they're they're they're they're not super like
their individual lee are more kind of regular Republicans in
these states. But the reason why it gets so extreme
and accelerate so quickly is mostly because of how these
organizing efforts take place, and also because of stuff like
Fox News and News Marx and on it and O
A N like pushing people further right in the past
few years, but like specifically the method of organizing on
(08:18):
apps like Telegram and Facebook groups. This this is, this
is the thing common on the Internet, but like it
rewards accelerationism, it rewards the most extreme, takes those the
ones to get shared the most. So even if you
know this is just some mom and her forties who's
not a proud boy by any means, she's she still
poses a threat in this in this way because she's
(08:40):
who boosting this same rhetoric and as part of these
same organizing channels that are full of like actual fascists. Uh,
there's a decent amount of very popular posts from very
popular channels I pulled that talks about the Jews in
the school boards and we we'll get to that kind
of stuff shortly. Um So there, Robert, do you wanna
(09:03):
start on the telegram with the whole the whole school
board Telegram channel that is popped up by no means
the most popular Telegram channel for organizing, but it is
specifically dedicated to school boards because of how Telegram works.
This channel gets shared around a lot in other much
bigger channels. Yeah, and and just so you know, So
the way Telegram works, if you're a decent person, um
(09:27):
and you don't live in a country where Telegram is
a legitimately good choice for you, there's some areas where
it's perfectly normal social media network, but for the most
part in the United States it's used by fascists and
weirdos um. So if you're fortunate enough to not use Telegram,
the way it works is you have open groups and
closed groups. Open groups are anyone can view them, Uh,
(09:48):
you don't expose yourself by looking at them, and people
largely just kind of post images, memes, videos and then
can comment on them. And a lot of what's posted
in any given Telegram channel is shared from another Telegram channel.
So for people like Garrison and I who research extremism,
one of the uses of telegram is that by looking
at what's being shared in one group from other groups,
(10:09):
you can actually start to build networks and see, oh,
there's affinity between these two groups. Because this group may
claim that they're just concerned conservatives, but they're sharing all
of this, all of this content from this far right
you know Pepe group that's also sharing a lot of
neo Nazi content, and you can see there's a lot
of affinity between the other thing that happens is that
(10:29):
these channels that are getting big and being you and
you are being used for this kind of like right
wing organizing who present themselves as more just like regular
conservative channels. If you I've been in this channel for
like years at this point, and this channel used to
be a like proud Boy channel. They just change their name.
Like It's like that happens all the time, where a
lot of the big organizing channels used to be like
(10:50):
openly violent organizing, like for different mobs to go beat
up people, and now they've rebranded to make them appeal
more to like regular Trump voters. That is the other
thing that happens all the time. And one of the
main channels that we're talking about today is one of
these one of these channels that used to be a
proud Boy thing and is now just kind of right
(11:11):
wing organizing a general Yeah, and it's um, I don't know,
I'm just gonna get into it. So actually you know
what I'm going to get into before I start talking
about fascists on telegram trying to destroy the concept of democracy.
You know what else is trying to destroy the concept
of democracy? That's right, Chris, products and services, that's right.
(11:42):
Oh my god, we are just having a great time here.
So let's talk about Stand for Students, which is a
telegram channel that Garrison pointed out to me, and I
spent more time than I really wanted to. Yeah, that's never, never,
never a good idea. So the stuff in here, this
is no umber one on the surface, a much more
moderate group. These people are not ranting about like Jews
(12:04):
destroying civilization or the need to like execute uh black
people or something like that. Um, the stuff in here
runs the gamut from like one of the first things
I found was a clip from Jesse Ventura, wrestler, predator
star and former governor once had a conspiracy TV show.
(12:24):
There's a popular clip in anti vaccine circles from it
where he's talking with Alex Jones about the Builderberg group
and stuff. So I found that in there, which is
like pretty garden variety, like early two thousands conspiracy nonsense.
Definitely like, oh yeah, these are like older people, like
I don't think mostly boomers, but definitely like gen X
(12:44):
and stuff, like folks who were in like their forties
and fifties. Um, this is the kind of ship that
they would have been like exposed to in their late
twenties and whatnot. Um. One of the posters I found
commenting on that video said quote aired onto TV into
this and nine about a plan for depopulation through a
virus and injections. Too much of a coincidence, and another
(13:05):
responded to this. I was never a huge Alex Jones fan,
but he was right all along. My kids were born
in the early eighties and I refused their vaxes way
back then. Unfortunately, one of them is now a late
thirties CNN jabbed zombie and has infected my grandkids with
this inspiric experimental treatment. I'm done, um, which is silly,
(13:26):
but it also keys you and like these are it's
it's what you see a lot with Q and on right.
It's these folks who are getting brought in onto telegram. Yeah,
it's great. It's terrible that this person, this lady who
has to be what in her fifties sixties my parents age,
the boomer um is on telegram which two years ago
(13:46):
even was the only Americans you were fine, We're fine,
were like extremely online Nazi weirdos. Um. Yeah, I remember
doing like old trainings like yeah, it was over over
two years ago, and telegram was nowhere near the prevalent
for like regular organizing now. And this is a result
of of the d platforming of folks in the wake
(14:07):
of the capital attack. But anyway, we don't need to
get too much into that right now, So I want
to talk a little bit more about some of the
things folks are sharing in this in this channel, which
is again kind of like I'm gonna guess everyone here
is kind of late thirties to maybe sixties, fifties, sixties.
There's one local story that it was actually very popular
among a lot of like lefty folks on Twitter of
(14:28):
this like group of dads who showed up to stop
there's like an epidemic of fighting in their school or something,
and they showed up to do like a community policing
or a community self defense sort of thing. It was
celebrated by a lot of folks because it was like, oh, hey,
this is you know, a way that communities can protect
themselves without cops. YadA, YadA, YadA. Which is a nice
thing to see. It was also celebrated um by these people, um,
(14:51):
by by people in this channel, and specifically the clip
of the news story covering this I found was from
the Pepe Lives Matter channel, which is, um, you know,
an alt right channel like it. Again, as we were
talking about earlier, the Pepe Lives isn't all like the
way full Nazi pilled stuff, um, but it shares a
lot of stuff from the channels that are straight up Nazis,
(15:13):
And so you can you can see already this like
lady in her sixties who's probably with some pretty normal
boomer three years ago, is now two steps away from
Adam often type motherfucker's that's just the way telegram works, um,
And they're all kind of bonding. Over again, this is
not a bad story what these local dads did, but
it very much ties into this idea of like we
(15:35):
gotta get all these parents together and take action in
the real world, like and that's gonna that's gonna go
towards taking action against the people you don't want showing
up in your school, meaning like black children and like children. Yes, yes,
that's yeah, yeah, yeah. Community self defense is great, but
also It really depends on what community is defending itself
from what. UM. So that's all probably have to talk
(16:00):
about that more at some point in the future. But yeah,
another thing I found on that channel was video this.
This I dug into a bit. So there was this
video that was claimed to be an ad. It was,
in fact an ad that Comcast had refused to air.
UM and the video this, this unaired ad claimed that
it was about. It was telling the story of a
(16:20):
thirteen year old girl, Maddie de Garay Um, who was vaccinated.
She was part of a FASER trial and had she
claims like a disastrously bad reaction. UM. An ad about
her situation was rejected by Comcast. UM and this girl
like has done the whole right wing in her I'm
I'm guessing her parents are the driver's done the whole
right wing media kind of circuit at this point. UM.
(16:44):
The fact that Comcast banned the ad is what the
people in this telegram channel were yelling about. UM. And
I want to actually quote from the an article about
why Comcast rejected it, because it makes clear what's actually
happening here. Comcast is said to have told the ads
buyer it was rejected because it needed substantial creation and
all graphic images needed to be removed. Documents reportedly submitted
for substantiation included the girl's complete medical records, which are
(17:07):
said to have outlined symptoms such as erratic blood pressure
and pulse, muscle spasms, muscle tremors, headaches, brain fog, mixing
up words, and the inability to walk and cough. Um.
So you've got this case where number one there's graphic images, um,
and number two there's documentations that this girl has symptoms,
but there's not documentation that they're tied in any way
to the vaccine, Like it's just one of these the
(17:29):
comcast is being careful to not spread unsubstantiated shit about
vaccine reactions and stuff. Um. But within the telegram channel,
the focus is entirely on like how this is evidence
of this conspiracy there suppressing information and suppressing information. Um.
One response was, why in Heaven's name don't these parents
(17:50):
do their research before having their kids vaccinated? My heart
goes out to the precious child and family. What a
lesson to learn for so many parents. Never too late
to educate your selves. People. Also, I want to point
it just that the spelling and the are incredible. There's
an upsetting amount of emojis that Yeah, honestly, I couldn't
(18:11):
never never two with one oh late to educate your
space selves. Uh, it's just again and now I'm doing
they're doing the thing. I'm doing the thing I tried
not to. I did try to give it a straight
read through. You can be challenging with It's like it's
very funny content. It's it's very funny. Yeah, but but
but I think you know this, this is this goes
(18:34):
back to the whole point about how this pradicalization works, right,
which is, you know you have, especially with anti vax
stuff that has this sort of larger base from just
like regular peer like hardwright Nazi stuff. You get to
see people who you know, otherwise probably would be a
vaguely normal person, very very quickly get all this stuff
(18:54):
and very quickly just go off the deep end. They're not. Yeah,
these it is it's hard to say like these are
all extremists because like they are themselves aren't extremists. There's
surrounded by so much content that is made by extremists
that it's making them do these things, which is how,
which is how extremism works right, but it's it's challenging
because like when you try to explain this to someone,
you're like, no, this is obviously just like a regular
(19:15):
grandma or something, right, And it's hard to explain to
them how fast this thing can move to the point
where they're showing up at a school board with their
grand killed children yelling at like teachers and stuff. Yeah,
and it's not that this lady is a Nazi. It's
that this lady can be, through the process you just outlined,
convinced to stand up next to a Nazi and like, uh,
(19:37):
defend his his right to do violence to people. She
has been convinced are president a threat to the lives
of her, her grandchildren, which is people may say, like
the whole like, oh, it's not worth parsing out that
much if you're standing next to a Nazi or a Nazi,
but like I would argue, no, what's actually the logistics
of what is happening here are much more dangerous than
(19:59):
a grandma radicalized into national socialism. Anyway. Another meme I
found it was a screen grab from fucking um Shawshank
Redemption with Morgan Freeman and I don't know whatever one
of the white dudes in that movie in prison jumpsuits,
sitting next to each other, and it's the text on
it is what are you in for? I spoke of
at a school board meeting, which you she see a
(20:20):
lot of stuff like this, the idea that they're going
to jail, they're going to get rated by the FBI
because they're like showing up at school boards to protest
vaccine mandates and mask mandates. Um. And then like in
the middle of all this stuff mostly talking about like
anti vac shit, there's also this post talking about how
this post that's a video of a woman at a
(20:42):
school board talking about how a book needed to be banned,
and she's reading. The book she's reading is a queer memoir, um,
and it's about I'll talk about this more at the end,
but you can definitely mention it here because it gets
up a lot. It's it's a gay it's a gay
coming of age story, right, And as a result, there's
a couple of of semi graphic scenes in it. And
(21:02):
she like gets up in front of the school board
and reads this and argues that it's basically like pornography.
The children. They think it's child pornography. Yeah, that's what
they're marching mistaken what child pornography is. They're trying to
they're trying to get all the people at the school
board either killed or arrested over this. That is that
is their goal. And I'll talk about this specific instance
later because it keeps coming up with all of these channels,
(21:24):
and it's one of the main things that links someone
from like a sodden red channel to a channel like this.
This is like one of the main things they've been
using the past few weeks, like this is the current,
this is like the past, and and this is this
though has been going on for a while. You've seen
a lot of like the libertarian right wing, a lot
of like kill your local pedophile shirts because who's gonna
and most people don't think, like, who's going to defend
a pedophile about pedophiles? Yeah, the proud boy at the
(21:49):
Portland school Board who was standing and ready to fight,
the ready to fight scared guards and stuff, he was
wearing a killer local pedophile. Uh, it's this is this
is the thing. This is the thing the right wing
figured out. And if they figured this out a long
time ago, which is that Okay, if if you want
to get a bunch of people who are vaguely normal
to do like absolutely horrible violence. The way you do
(22:09):
it is to tell them that they're threatening kids and
it doesn't matter what yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know
and this once and what once you've convinced you know,
like this, this is this is just a very I
think a very important thing about media messaging in general
is that the literally the instant someone says think of
the children, you need to stop and you need to
(22:31):
disregard everything they're about to say after that stick. Yeah,
Like of the time that person is like about to
try to convince you that like you need to like
we need to murder the gauge or something like that.
Like that's that. That's the thing that follows from I
feel confident saying no one has ever advocated thinking of
(22:53):
the children and meant anything, but I want to kill
this specific group of people. Um, just like I that's
not even really hyperbole. It's it's a a trite and
true organizing tactic for these people, and it's part of
the reason why, like the famous white nationalist catchphrase is
focused around we need to secure a future for white children, right,
(23:14):
Like that's what they're always talking about with all of
this ship and it's it's about being able to demonize
a group in a way that they can't be defended.
It's about ending any sort of debate or conversation, and
it's about justifying thoughtless violence because it's you're protecting children. Um.
You know who else protects children, Robert, definitely not the
(23:35):
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talking about this. Uh so last segment for this episode.
(24:19):
As we as we as I was talking about that,
there's a post and in the post is a video
of a woman from a different school board meeting reading
out a graphics graphic ish sex scene from this queer
memoir and ranting about how it's it's child pornography. Comments
include fucking monsters running these schools, satanic and disgusting an
(24:39):
elementary school. Unreal. Why aren't charges brought against the school
for distributing pornography to minors? It's not even read they
can It's just available from some other library. It's like,
because you can request a lot of books at libraries
in all caps, where's the sheriffs, where are the city, county, state,
(25:00):
and federal task forces? And uh yeah, it's It'll talk
about this more in the next episode. Tied to the
overarching anti anti queer, anti trans, anti gay school board
side of things, and of course other things I found.
There's like video of them celebrating Capital rioters, celebrating Josh
Holly for defending Capital rioters. Um. I went into some
(25:21):
other channels that were adjacent that I saw shared, you know,
in this channel. One of them was Oscar's midnight writer
Patriot Post channel, which actually has thousands and thousands of followers.
Average post would get two to three thousand views. Um,
here's one. I'm considered a domestic terrorist if I tell
a school board that I don't want my eight year
old daughter watching sex videos in her third grade classroom. Um,
(25:43):
and that post was right above this post. The constitution
actually says you can legally overthrow your government if they
are tyrannical. And that post was right above this post,
which was a screen which was a screen grab from
a Twitter account for a guy who calls himself Murray
Rothbard seventeen seventies X. The FBI didn't rate Epstein Island
or protect hundreds of young female gymnasts from being sexually
(26:04):
assaulted for years, but they'll raid your PTA meetings when
you questioned the curriculum and on scientific mask mandates and
their indoctrination camps, I mean public schools. And of course
this from Twitter user named Emerald Robinson. And again this
is all shared in that channel. It's like a screen
grab from Twitter. When the FBI starts arresting parents at
school board meetings, just remember the GOP senators who made
(26:25):
it happen by confirming Merritt Gardland as Attorney general. And
then it's a list of Republican u Emerald Emarad Robinson
is the White House correspondent for news Max. Oh right,
oh my god, yeah, you're right. Uh huh great, great,
So I don't know. That's probably all I should get into.
Uh well, no, there's we can more things. So Oscar's
(26:48):
Midnight Writer, which was shared in in that uh that
school board channel took me to the Western Chauvinist school
Board Channel, which took me to a post which with
a video UM with a link to a video. The
text with the video was woman at school board meeting
calls out Jewish power by name um and it's a
woman ranting about how the Jews are behind all of
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the critical race theory in schools UM. So again not
hard to get to this kind of ship. Another post
was it was in the Western Chauvinist Telegram. It was
sharing a post from the Murder the Media telegram who
were part of the Capital riot. UM. That post from
Murder the Media was National school Board Association apology letter
for calling you domestic terrorists. It was we'll talk about
(27:30):
this later, but the comment in the Western Chauvinist was like,
we don't apologize for being like for being domestic terrorists.
Like we're yeah, we we think it's rad that they
called us domestic terrorists. Because Javinist channel, by the way,
has over fifty subscribers UM and used to be a
proud Boy channel, which is now just a general kind
of farther right wing organizing channel that it's probably it's
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one of the most shared Telegram channels in this whole network. UM,
and they are really good at creating propaganda that appeals
to Trump voters while slipping in a lot of accelerationist
talking points UM to slowly lead people on that breadcrumb
trail to make them be okay with mass violence. There
was a comment in there, forwarded from another from the
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telegram account of a guy named Eric Striker. UM and
this was a post Striker made commenting on a video
of a father being dragged out of a quote woke
school board meeting. UM for uh complaining of complaining about
this kind of ship UM. The post from Eric Striker
I think is worth reading, and I'm going to read
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it now. For now, all we can do is impotently
watch injustices like this unfold. This is really upsetting. We
must build our political organization to the point where we
can rapidly mobilize to defend this man, including physical demonstrations,
sent him free legal support, and make people realize that
the time of fucking with whites is over. We need
our own media, civil society groups and activists. We need
money and volunteers. It's not the Republican Party or anything
(28:58):
in the conservative movement. It never or will be. We
need to build it from scratch. We are well underway
National Justice Party. We must quietly and patiently build. Eventually
we will have the capacity to come on the scene
when they at least expect it and will be and
we will be too powerful to stop. And that's probably
where we should end for today. Yep. That that's a
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good part, good sad intro into the current problem of
schoolboard meetings. We'll get into a lot more like accelerating
rhetoric in the next bit and then talk about kind
of where the stuff originated from and the other other
side of things beyond just like the CRT and UH
and and mask stuff, because it branches out into a
lot of other kind of adjacent cultural war bullshit issues. Um. Anyway, yeah,
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we'll do that tomorrow. Um. You can follow the show
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That's what I plan to do. Getting off Twitter and
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