July 8, 2025 • 32 mins
Mia and Gare discuss the contents of the recently passed budget bill and how its worst provisions can be defeated.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/07/planned-parenthood-trump-lawsuit
https://time.com/7299514/bill-will-devastate-public-schools
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https://itep.org/trump-megabill-expensive-private-school-vouchers/
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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more than ever about the world crumbling and what you
can do about it. I am your host Bio Wong
and with me as Karison Davis.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello, Happy big, beautiful Bill Day. So today we are
here to.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Talk about the Genocide Budget. I am calling it the
genocide budget because that is what this budget is designed
to do. It is designed to create the apparatus that
will allow the Republican Party to carry out mass deportations
on a scale that be unlike anything else in American history.
But Comma, and I want to be very clear about this.
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There has been a lot of talk about the new budgets,
deportation procedures and the funding of it, and it's important
to note a few things. From the get go right,
you have been hearing a lot of numbers, and I
have been saying this too, because it's true with the
total amount of funding for order provisions is one hundred
and seventy billion dollars, which is larger, like a third
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larger than the military budget of Russia. This is true, However,
com that money is not all going to one agency.
I see a lot of people who think that all
of that money is going to ICE. That is not true.
It is dispersed along a bunch of different kinds of things.
I'm going to do a little bit of a breakdown
of where that money is going, because it's not all
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just going to like here's the deportation thing. I'm again
going to be relying on the American Immigration Council's figures
because they are very good. So of this one hundred
and seventy billion, about fifty one billion, almost fifty two
billion is going to quote, construction and maintenance of border walls,
CPD checkpoints, and CPB facilities. About seven point eight billion
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is going to This is the part that is one
of the parts that's really fucking scary, is going towards
hiring more border patrol agents and doing like training for
law enforcements and doing training center improvements. There's about forty
five billion that's going into making more attention centers and
putting more beds in attention centers. That's fucking terrifying. There
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is about thirty billion going into hiring ICE agents, and
that's just like directly, this is the part that's removing people,
hiring ICE agents deporting people. There's about a billion for
the Department of Defense to like help with all of this.
There's thirteen and a half billion for state immigration and
border enforcements like cost fu imbursement stuff, so state programs
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can can do things, and there's money for the federal
government to reimburse the states for doing their own programs,
a lot of which will be used. But this is
not all going to one department. A lot of it's
going to a bunch of different places, and a lot
of it's going towards border wall construction, which is very bad,
but it's also like a third of well it's like
a quarter roughly of the budget is going to that.
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It's also worth noting that these numbers are all over
the course of a decade, right. This stuff doesn't just
like instantly appear. They have to build all of that
apparatus up, and that means they can be stopped now, right,
because it's going to take a fucking decade for them
to get all of this up and running. And that means,
on the one hand, the longer we wait to resist
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them and to basically neutralize ices and Border Patrol's capacity
to do this stuff, the worse it gets. But also
they have to be in power for a fucking decade
for all of this shit to kick in, and if
they're still in power in a decade, we have quite
frankly larger problems here. So that's just the initial stuff
that I want to I want to make sure people
understand about this, because there's a lot of not good
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reporting happening about it that doesn't break the stuff down.
So the downside, again, as I said, one hundred and
seventy billion dollars just directly to the deportation engine in
various forms and to the border wall. ICE's total tension
budget goes too, and this is again from the American
Immigration Council. ICE's total detention budget goes at minimum to
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fourteen billion a year. This is and I this amount
would represent a three hundred and eight percent increase on
an annual basis over ICE's twenty twenty four detention budget.
By comparison, the entire Federal Bureau of Prisons budget was
eight point six billion. So they're trying to do a
yearly detention budget that is significantly larger than the entire
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detension budget of the federal prison system.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I mean, they're just creating a whole separate prison system. Yeah,
a lot of the extra funding for DHS is essentially
creating a second army that is allowed to operate on
domestic soil with way less strings attached.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And that's like the primary ten year plan. You can
see what they tried to do in Los Angeles and
what they did do in Los Angeles like a few
weeks ago. They're gonna want to do that everywhere, but
with their own DHS military, with their own DHS prisons
completely siloed away from the rest of the government.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And there's also and this is something that goes for
most of this bill, there is very very little straints
on how this money can be spent. These groups have
a lot of latitude on it now. It is also
worth noting a lot of this is going to be
spent on absolutely just incredibly stupid bullshit, Like they're going
to spend a bunch of money on border wall shit
that's going to go to a bunch of like contract grifts.
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They're going to spend like an unbelievable portion of this
money somehow is going to go to like extremely stupid
AI startups. But yeah, it's very, very fucking bad. There
is also again a lot of money for state and
local governments to spend working with ICE. They estimate that
this could lead to one hundred and twenty five thousand
beds for holding people, which is again only slightly less
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than the entire federal prison system. So yeah, they want
to make a second prison system specifically to do these
these fucking this deportation like ethnic cleansing, genocide, and just
directly under the control of Stephen Miller, like Stephen Miller
gets his own military and his own prisons. And Trump
is on the record saying that Stephen Miller, if Stephen
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Miller had his way, they would be hundred million people
in the US and they would all look like Stephen Miller, right,
Like they want to get rid of like every non
white person in the US. That is like the end
goal of someone like Steven Miller. Billions must ball. But
the exception, and this is also something that's worth noting,
is that recently Trump has been talking about like this
like system where you'd have farm workers who were like
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quote unquote the responsibility of the farm owners. So they're
talking about slavery, right, And people like Curtis Jarvin are
like very explicitly being like h I wonder if there's
another domestic population that could do ag your cultural labor.
So like, yeah, they want the non white population in
the US to do slavery, right, This is just explicitly
what they're talking about. Also, they want to hire ten
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thousand more iceations. But it's also worth noting, and I
think this is very important. Even ten thousand more ICE
agents is not enough to do the thing they're trying
to do. Like, it's just not right. There's three hundred
million people in this country, like threefty million people in scody,
Like ten thousand more iations can't do this, right, and
they especially can't do this if they're being resisted at
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every turn. And you can look at what they've been
forced to do in la and how they've been forced
to change tactics as a sign of this, right, where
like at the very beginning, they were rolling up with
like these giant like fucking convoys and like everyone's in
fucking like but like a bunch of guys carrying rifles,
and they were doing these giant raids and they had
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to stop because when they were assembling on mass in places,
people would just fucking show up and throw shit at them.
And so they had to stop doing that because it
was it was it was hindering their ability to do
this shit. And this is a mirror, interestingly, of what's
of what's been happening to protesters right where like protesters
also have been in in LA have not been just
gathering in one spot because then like the force of
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the police can just come down and hammer you. We've
done the same thing to Ice, Like they can't do
these like giant gatherings in one place because like the
community will descend on them. So what they've been forced
to do is, like you know, they've become incredibly mobile.
Theyir deployed and just like a parking lot for a
small amount of time, doing hidden run strikes on civilians.
And this is also partially why they're not in uniform,
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because if they show up in uniform, like everyone can
just immediately fucking show up and fight them. Right. And
so this is something that I don't think is understood
very well, which is that their tactics have been forced
to evolve based on what we're doing to them, and
even the increases in budget they're doing. Yeah, the attention
facility stuff is extremely bad. Even with ten thousand more agents,
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they don't have enough people to like fundamentally change the
numbers game here. Right, this is all very bad. It
is just straight up evil. It is like hideously destructive
and painful. That is the point of this is to
be hideously destructive and painful. But every single day, every
single day, in places like Los Angeles, there are a
bunch of ordinary people who every time fucking eye shows up,
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a whole bunch of like messages go out and people
start putting up fucking wheat posts of shit on telephone poles,
and suddenly a bunch of people show up to try
to resist these people. And if we keep doing that,
and if we intensify that, that none of the worst
case scenario shit from this budget has to happen. I
want to make that very clear before we go to break.
I want to get through a little bit more of
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the just like straight cruelty stuff, because there's just stuff
in here that's just like they just hate immigrants, like
they want everyone to suffer, and they also want you
to just suffer in bureaucratic hell. So one of the
things that they're doing is they're setting a cap. This
this bill sets a cap on the number of immigration
judges in the country at eight hundred, So there's only
seven hundred right now. Right seven hundred immigration judges is
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not enough immigration judges to process everyone. They want people
to go on process, and they want to be able
to just fucking grab those people and kick them out.
They want people stuck in this process forever. They are
trying to create a backlog. They are also massively increasing
the application fees for every single stage of the immigration process.
AIC calculates it would quote result in at least fifteen
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hundred dollars in filing fees during the five year weight
And like, these people have no fucking money, right, Like,
that's why they're coming here. And we talked about this,
James talked about the Nadarian series. Most of these people
have used all of their money just getting to the
US because it's incredibly expensive and dangerous, and these policies
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don't generate a significant amount of revenue. It's just inflicting
hardship and suffering on people who want to live in
this place. Yeah, do you know who else wants to
live in this place?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I couldn't come up with the transition there. It's too bleak.
I don't know products and services go. We are back
speaking of things being terrible. Let's talk Medicaid. So Medicaid
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is getting a trillion dollars of cuts over the next
ten years. They are imposing an eighty hour a month
work requirement from Medicaid in food stamps. This is going
to kick off unbelievable numbers of people. The Congressional Budget
Office estimates in the next nine years it will kick
off eighteen point three million people. This is particularly devastating
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to people with disabilities because again there are lots of
people who can't work that number of hours, and again
it's devastating people who can't find jobs is a fucking horrific,
horrific thing. This is also particularly bad for trans people
because that work requirement is also now applied to food stamps.
So like, if you just fucking can't find a job,
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like fucking eat shit, they're kicking you off of Medicaid
and food stamps. They're estimating about three million people get
kicked off of SNAP. And again, trans people use Medicaid
and SNAP at enormous rates, significantly higher form the general
population because our poverty rates are much much higher. And
this is something we talked about in the last executive disorder.
But like, this is going to just destroy vast swaths
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of the Royal hospital system because again, one in four
people in rural areas get their healthcare paid for by Medicaid.
Kaiser Family Foundation is estimating that it's going to be
one hundred and fifty five billion dollars decrease in rural
regions over the next decade. These hospitals have already been closing.
My estimates on this is I think it's actually the
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actual damage to healthcare in these communities is going to
be significantly worse than what's being projected right now because
hospital margins are absolutely terrible and they're just built to
be increasingly more profit extractive. You know, this is creating
a system where if you are rich and in urban areas,
you can get health care, but if you're fucking poor
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in urban areas, eat shit. And if you're in rural
areas and you don't have the money to like fucking
take a private jet or some shit, or you can't
pay for like verys private medical care, they're leaving you
to die. This is going to just absolutely devastate the
rural economy. And also that's not even the only sort
of like devastation healthcare thing. Center for American Progress wrote
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a good article about this. This bill also is very
very laser targeted at defunding Planned Parenthood. It has a
ban on using Medicaid at any clinic that provides abortions,
so that money already can't go to abortions, right, that's
the High Amendment. It fucking sucks, we hate it. It's terrible.
But this is just a ban on any clinic that
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provides abortions taking Medicaid, which is just like, you know,
just annihilates Planned Parenthood. It makes it really really fucking
hard to do abortions. Planned Parenthood is estimating that they're
going to have to close two hundred clinics, largely in
blue states, in urban areas there are a lot of people.
And this is also again trans people who get their
coverage from Plant Parenthood. It's really really, really fucking bad.
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And it's yeah, I mean that Plant Parenthood is calling
it like a crypto abortion ban, which it kind of
is in a lot of ways, because they're just going
after the ability to actually like fund.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Clinics, runa function in clinic.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, and this is again, you know, like the strategies
they use against trans healthcare, the strategies they use against
abortion care. Yeah, and so you know, we're seeing all
of these things combined together as like this budget bill
and like a lot of what this budget bill is.
I mean, there's obviously always policy shit in budget bills,
but this is a budget bill full of just shit
that like could never get passed normally, like would just
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impossible to pass through Congress. But they're just sort of
like ramming through these a bunch of like hideously unpopular
procedures like in this in this fucking bill, because it's reconciliation.
You can't fill a buster it. They're just like putting
all of this shit in. They've also eliminated programs that
made it easier to enroll in medicaid because they want
you to be stuck in bureaucracy forever, both on just
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the level of like if you're stuck in bureaucracy forever,
you can't actually access medicaid, and then also the more
stuck in bureaucracy you are, the easier it is to
sell these like conservative like anti bureaucracy budget cut things.
So it's this like spiraling thing of like everyone in
the world is increasingly trapped in these bureaucratic hellholes trying
to get literally anything out of the state, which is
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that and the only critique of this is from the right,
And because the only critique of this is from the right,
they use it to build their power while making everyone
else's fucking lives miserable. There's also a provision in this
that says that if you make the federal poverty line
to one hundred and thirty eight percent of the federal
poverty line, so that's like fifteen thousand, six hundred a
year of fifteen thousand and six fifty a year to
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like eighteen thousands for a single person, there's like a
mandatory copay increase for each time you'd like visit a doctor,
like up to thirty five dollars, which is fucking hideous
because like again, the people on Medicaid, like in a
lot of places, it's been possible to use Medicaid without
paying any money for a visit, right, and that makes
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people go to the doctor. But if you have to
pay any money, because the people who are this fucking poor,
like you don't have thirty five dollars like fucking laying
around to go to the hospital, you fucking defer, and
you defer, you defer, and you defer in your healthcare
until it becomes until you hit something that either kills
you or is so devastating you have to go to
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the hospital. And that's the situation that the GOP wants here, Like,
these cuts are not about saving money, they're about just
inflicting incredible cruelty on people. And yeah, this is just
another absolutely devastating sort of outcome of this bill. So
there's also a whole bunch of rollbacks of like all
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of the existing climate policy we've had, which has never
been like super good but was like something. But they've
eliminated the tax credit for electric cars. There's now tax
credits for like auto loans and shit in very like
you can like write off auto loans in very weird ways.
Wait are you serious to some extent, Yeah, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Finally, finally I'm gonna get that Mazda Miata. It's finally happening. Oh,
thank goodness, thank you, thank you Trump, Sorry Elon, thank
you you Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It's interesting because there's like one or two things that
are like kind of okay, like okay, But my favorite
one is one of the things they gets a lot
of press is is like, oh, there's no taxes on tips,
but that's only a temporary.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Thing that goes for like the next what four years.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah yeah, but then it just expires. Yeah, so it's
just like literally a payoff.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You know based Actually, I think tips should be tax
low key.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah wow wow petit bourgeois garrison.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah. So one of the provisions of this is that
like the Medicaid cuts like only go into effect in
twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Which is very curious because if you think about it,
so much of this bill is just trying to like
midterms proof the GOP m hm. So as soon as
the midterms happen, and they expect the Democrats to do
very well despite the broken state of the Democratic Party currently,
but that's that's probably still what they're forecasting. But this
bill is built so that the Medicaid cuts only go
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into effect after the mid yep, yep, yep. They're trying
to make sure it won't hurt them during mid terms.
But also if Democrats do take power, then they can
use the fact that medicaid is doing really bad to
help Republicans in the next general which is insane because
they're the ones that ruined Medicaid. So there's a lot
of stuff like that in the bill where they're trying
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to make certain things go into effect specifically to help
them in future elections and hurt Democrats in future elections,
including the tax on tips thing. Yep. I will say
it does give us a little bit of room to maneuver. Yeah,
because this entire bill is a threat.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, and they have to actualize it.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And unless they follow through on the threat, then that's
all it is. So people have to keep challenging them
on this and defaying their ability to implement this. And
we do have a year and a half to nullify
at least some of the worst aspects of this bill,
and that includes strengthening local healthcare systems, food stamps, but
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also continuing to mobilize popular resistance to ice and border patrol.
We cannot afford to surrender here.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, no, And you know, back at the beginning of
the administration, the phrase I was using could talk about
what this is going to do. I think we were
all sort of using this was like the state is
going to retreat and become more hostile, and this is
like the ten times mega like acceleration of this. Right, Yeah, yes,
like the state is becoming a thing withoud that it
exists only to like kill you. Right. But the thing is,
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it is also worth noting these programs are not just
there because like they're good for people. They were there
to buy people off, right, Like the carrot and the
stick are both parts of maintaining each other. Right. The
reason you can have the stick is because you have
the carrot to pacify enough people to be able to
deploy the stick. They seem to believe that they can
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only fucking use the stick now, and they can give
you the tiniest fucking carrots that have ever existed. And
we are going to get to see whether they can
do that and whether our ability to like fucking produce
our own carrots allows us to generate a situation where
they fucking can't keep controlling you more.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The other thing that they demonstrated the past few months
is the unilateral ability to shut down government agency.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And this is something that a smart future candidate could
weaponize because Ice is younger than most people listening to
this podcast, It's younger than me.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Abolishing ICE is now the conservative position. If you are
a moderate conservative, you are you now must be in
favor of abolishing ice like that's that's that's simply where
we are now.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I was at this somewhat cursed Fourth of July party,
I guess full of some of MEA's old Twitter enemies.
Oh no, I will not name names, but multiple, multiple
people apologize to me for making fun of ice must
be destroyed in the past.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I'm so fucking vindicated.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I am the most vindicated of all time. They wanted
me to pass off the message to you that they
are sorry and that you were right the whole time.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I was fucking right. So I'm realizing there's a lot
of people who actually don't know this. I am the
person who, until I deleted my Twitter account last year,
ended every post with moreover, ice must be destroyed. I
also do this on Blue Sky now, and I want
to specifically, if you want to apologize to me, specifically
send that apology in the form of money to the
Trans Income Project. We will link the Trans Income Project's
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fundraiser below below. Here they give money directly the trans people.
They do a whole bunch of unbelievably cool shit. It rules.
We're going to have episodes talking about them at some
point in the next couple of months. They are fucking awesome.
So direct direct, direct your apologies to the Trans Income Project.
Give trans people money.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I will inform the people at the next cursed for
the time.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
All right, you know who else wants your money?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
These products and services that support this podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yep, we are back. So there's another part of this
bill that has been getting very very little coverage that
it really sucks shit, which is a national voucher tax
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credit program for private schools. So the way this works
is really convoluted. You can get tax credits by giving
money to organizations that supports private and religious schools and
give out school vouchers. So the reason it's set up
like this is this is a way to get around
the ban on like giving money to religious schools. Why
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just giving money to organizations that give money to religious schools.
But what this does, right, So these vouchers let you
pull your kid out of public school and send them
to a private school. And what this does it allows
you to spend seventeen hundred dollars like to these organizations
and get a one one hundred percent tax credit. Literally,
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nothing works like this. Charitable donations don't work like this.
Nothing else like that we have ever had works on
a one hundred percent tax credit like this, Like no
donation fucking happens at all. This is a massive tax
cut for money that goes to fucking rich family whose
kids are ready go to private schools. It is a
massive attack on the public education system. These voucher programs
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are hideously unpopular, fucking they keep failing in red states.
Everyone hates them. They fail in blue states. There is
literally zero chance they could ever get this pass through
Congress normally, but they stuck it into the budget bill
and forced everyone to vote for it. Now, it's worth
noting that this is again, this is a fulfillment of
like the ancient dream of the right, which is to
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destroy the public education system and replace it with private
a private education system that is resegregated. They have been
trying to do this for as long as the like
the modern right, has been around. This has been their thing.
You know, we have talked endlessly on the show about
the ways in which the ways in which the modern
right is built, specifically on the opposition to desegregation, and
how this has been their plan, So this also starts
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in twenty twenty seven. It is important to note the
states have to opt into this program, so they can
still be killed in most places on the state level.
But it fucking sucks. It is an attempt to destroy
the public education system and a maxim tax cut to
rich assholes. There's also, and this is fun, potentially increases
the student loan payments. So SAVE was the Biden administration's
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like loan repayment plan. Lots of this stuff never took
an effect because it was held up by the courts.
But this gets rid of SAVE and other like a
lot of other like loan repayment programs and combines them
into this thing that's called the Repayment Assistance Plan. And
this quote from MSN would set borrowers' payments to one
to ten percent of their income, depending on their income level,
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with a monthly minimum payment of ten dollars. Unpaid interest
is waived under this plan, and any remaining balance is
forgiven of for thirty years. So this is like compared
to say, this is a pretty massive increase in how
much you would have to pay for your student loans.
You also can't defer payments if you're unemployed or dealing
with economic problems, which is a complete shit show. It's
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also it also is worth noting that like mass non
payments of student loans is already pretty normal. If you
go back to like the Occupy era and you read
stuff from the Debt Collective, there's a lot of talk
then about organizing student loan debt strikes, and then they
just found out that like huge numbers of people already
weren't paying, So you know, there's there's potential for resistance here.
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There's been a lot of work done on this front
over the past fifteen years. It also gets rid of
the Graduate Plus program for people without kids, so there's
just like a bunch of fucking horrible shit happening. There's
also in this in this thing, one hundred million dollars
for the Office of Management and Budget to do more
dode shit. And again, OMB right now is as as
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centertor America Park is points out literally ran by the
director and author and co author of Project twenty twenty five,
and they're giving him one hundred and twenty five million
dollars to figure out how to cut more government agencies.
I'm sorry, one hundred million, sorry, hundred million dollars sea.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Oh that that twenty five will make such a big difference. Yeah,
I have some ideas for some futures if we want
to save approximately forty billion dollars a year. Just at
Democrats on on on Twitter and blue Sky and and threads,
let me know. I can give you some ideas.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Ice Border Patrol.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
It's possibly billions of dollars in savings.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
So let me know at at DNC on all platforms
I can. I can advise for a very very fair
pay rate review.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Of all DoD military contracts.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Competitive consulting rate. I can let you know what things
you too can doge in the future. Postal cops. It's
about time ACAB includes the post Office.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Both beliefs it does. It's motherfucker suck ass right. There's
also four point five trillion dollars and cuts tax cuts
mostly for rich people. There's a bunch of extremely stupid
shit in here. This just it's just a giant wealth
transfer from poor people to rich people, which is very bad.
It's also notable that it puts, like over the next decade,
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like another a three trillion dollar hole in the deficit.
And this is worth noting because this has pissed off
a lot of Silicon Valley fascists. Because a lot of
the Silicon Valley people, and this is something I've talked
about this before, but it's very important to understand a
lot of these people are completely obsessed with the deficit,
right because they want the government to run like a business.
(27:47):
Well yeah, but there's a second thing going on here too,
which is like they think that like that US deficit
payments are going to like basically overwhelm the US budget
and they're just become increasingly large percentage GDP, which will
cause the US to just like be destroyed. And those
people are genuinely very pissed at this about this budget.
(28:09):
And Elon Musk is kind of like one of the
avatars of this, right me, I.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Think, I think, I think you mean elongated muskrat God.
I should call him by his real.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Name, fucking god.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But yeah, you know, he is the kind of like
rallying point of the people who are genuine only ideologically
committed to just like doing all of these budget cuts
because they're like weird, actual like true leaver deficit hawks,
unlike the people who want to do it because they
also want to do it because they hate poor people,
but like.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
They hate poor people differently, they have a different type
of hate.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, they have different Yeah. Well, and it's also like
the question basically is are you willing to like massively
increase the deficit to give corporations spending cuts or do
you think that if you do that, you also need
to do even more cuts. And that's that's the cant
that Elon's in. It's worth noting before we get to
the Elon angle of this, I'm just going to read
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this from The New Republic. A survey by The Washington
Post found that forty two percent of Americans opposed the bill,
while only twenty three percent supported it, leaving the legislation
with a net favorable rating of minus nineteen. And that
was the most positive that the results got. A Pure
Research Center poll found the bill had a net favorability
rating of minus twenty. Fox News found a net favorability
(29:26):
rating of minus twenty one. I mean, quinit pack found
a net favorability of minus twenty six and KFF found
ability rating of minus twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Those do sound low, but on the other hand, that's
a very high number for Matt Gates. So for the GOP.
You know, it's it's not that low.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nineteen is like the top of his range.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Thank you for that cutting edge, Matt Gates pedophile joke
right right right on the right, on the cusp of culture.
We're just really writing the zeitgeist.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
So everyone fucking hates this bill is the thing. Right,
And in this kind of climate, Elon Musk has decided
to create a new political party called the America Party
to run against the GOP.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Many such cases, many such cases times just time as
a flat circle. Once again, this is like.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
The farsest farce version of the Reform Party, Like who
fucking knows what this is going to do in the end,
Like we just don't know. Probably nothing, nothing, Yeah, it's
actually going to do nothing. Maybe slightly put a tiny
dent in the GOP. But yeah, I mean, I will
say I will say this. The actual important thing about
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Elon opposing Trump is that it it gives a wedge
to pry away different sections of Trump's base, like of
Trump's elite base from him. Like again, like as you
talked about, like the one moment where it's ever been
possible to talk about like the Trump Epstein shit was
when that happened. So I don't know. I think there's
(31:01):
potential for the future where like stuff can you know,
it's possible for there to be larger riffs in that
sort ofly collision and that can possibly be exploited. Yeah,
there's also just like a bunch of unhindshit that I think,
I'm not sure if people understand didn't get in the bill.
All of the like government land transfer stuff got cut.
That they wanted to put a proposal in to make
(31:23):
it so that you had to like pay a bond
if you sued the governments, and that didn't make it in.
Thankfully we stopped them from doing the trans medicaids of
bullshit for episode forthcoming. But yeah, this bill really fucking sucks.
There's a lot of just unbelievably terrible provisions in it.
But Comma, everyone hates it and it can be stopped.
(31:47):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello, Happy big, beautiful Bill Day. So today we are
here to.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Talk about the Genocide Budget. I am calling it the
genocide budget because that is what this budget is designed
to do. It is designed to create the apparatus that
will allow the Republican Party to carry out mass deportations
on a scale that be unlike anything else in American history.
But Comma, and I want to be very clear about this.
(00:44):
There has been a lot of talk about the new budgets,
deportation procedures and the funding of it, and it's important
to note a few things. From the get go right,
you have been hearing a lot of numbers, and I
have been saying this too, because it's true with the
total amount of funding for order provisions is one hundred
and seventy billion dollars, which is larger, like a third
(01:04):
larger than the military budget of Russia. This is true, However,
com that money is not all going to one agency.
I see a lot of people who think that all
of that money is going to ICE. That is not true.
It is dispersed along a bunch of different kinds of things.
I'm going to do a little bit of a breakdown
of where that money is going, because it's not all
(01:25):
just going to like here's the deportation thing. I'm again
going to be relying on the American Immigration Council's figures
because they are very good. So of this one hundred
and seventy billion, about fifty one billion, almost fifty two
billion is going to quote, construction and maintenance of border walls,
CPD checkpoints, and CPB facilities. About seven point eight billion
(01:46):
is going to This is the part that is one
of the parts that's really fucking scary, is going towards
hiring more border patrol agents and doing like training for
law enforcements and doing training center improvements. There's about forty
five billion that's going into making more attention centers and
putting more beds in attention centers. That's fucking terrifying. There
(02:07):
is about thirty billion going into hiring ICE agents, and
that's just like directly, this is the part that's removing people,
hiring ICE agents deporting people. There's about a billion for
the Department of Defense to like help with all of this.
There's thirteen and a half billion for state immigration and
border enforcements like cost fu imbursement stuff, so state programs
(02:30):
can can do things, and there's money for the federal
government to reimburse the states for doing their own programs,
a lot of which will be used. But this is
not all going to one department. A lot of it's
going to a bunch of different places, and a lot
of it's going towards border wall construction, which is very bad,
but it's also like a third of well it's like
a quarter roughly of the budget is going to that.
(02:51):
It's also worth noting that these numbers are all over
the course of a decade, right. This stuff doesn't just
like instantly appear. They have to build all of that
apparatus up, and that means they can be stopped now, right,
because it's going to take a fucking decade for them
to get all of this up and running. And that means,
on the one hand, the longer we wait to resist
(03:12):
them and to basically neutralize ices and Border Patrol's capacity
to do this stuff, the worse it gets. But also
they have to be in power for a fucking decade
for all of this shit to kick in, and if
they're still in power in a decade, we have quite
frankly larger problems here. So that's just the initial stuff
that I want to I want to make sure people
understand about this, because there's a lot of not good
(03:34):
reporting happening about it that doesn't break the stuff down.
So the downside, again, as I said, one hundred and
seventy billion dollars just directly to the deportation engine in
various forms and to the border wall. ICE's total tension
budget goes too, and this is again from the American
Immigration Council. ICE's total detention budget goes at minimum to
(03:57):
fourteen billion a year. This is and I this amount
would represent a three hundred and eight percent increase on
an annual basis over ICE's twenty twenty four detention budget.
By comparison, the entire Federal Bureau of Prisons budget was
eight point six billion. So they're trying to do a
yearly detention budget that is significantly larger than the entire
(04:18):
detension budget of the federal prison system.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I mean, they're just creating a whole separate prison system. Yeah,
a lot of the extra funding for DHS is essentially
creating a second army that is allowed to operate on
domestic soil with way less strings attached.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And that's like the primary ten year plan. You can
see what they tried to do in Los Angeles and
what they did do in Los Angeles like a few
weeks ago. They're gonna want to do that everywhere, but
with their own DHS military, with their own DHS prisons
completely siloed away from the rest of the government.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And there's also and this is something that goes for
most of this bill, there is very very little straints
on how this money can be spent. These groups have
a lot of latitude on it now. It is also
worth noting a lot of this is going to be
spent on absolutely just incredibly stupid bullshit, Like they're going
to spend a bunch of money on border wall shit
that's going to go to a bunch of like contract grifts.
(05:15):
They're going to spend like an unbelievable portion of this
money somehow is going to go to like extremely stupid
AI startups. But yeah, it's very, very fucking bad. There
is also again a lot of money for state and
local governments to spend working with ICE. They estimate that
this could lead to one hundred and twenty five thousand
beds for holding people, which is again only slightly less
(05:37):
than the entire federal prison system. So yeah, they want
to make a second prison system specifically to do these
these fucking this deportation like ethnic cleansing, genocide, and just
directly under the control of Stephen Miller, like Stephen Miller
gets his own military and his own prisons. And Trump
is on the record saying that Stephen Miller, if Stephen
(05:58):
Miller had his way, they would be hundred million people
in the US and they would all look like Stephen Miller, right,
Like they want to get rid of like every non
white person in the US. That is like the end
goal of someone like Steven Miller. Billions must ball. But
the exception, and this is also something that's worth noting,
is that recently Trump has been talking about like this
like system where you'd have farm workers who were like
(06:20):
quote unquote the responsibility of the farm owners. So they're
talking about slavery, right, And people like Curtis Jarvin are
like very explicitly being like h I wonder if there's
another domestic population that could do ag your cultural labor.
So like, yeah, they want the non white population in
the US to do slavery, right, This is just explicitly
what they're talking about. Also, they want to hire ten
(06:42):
thousand more iceations. But it's also worth noting, and I
think this is very important. Even ten thousand more ICE
agents is not enough to do the thing they're trying
to do. Like, it's just not right. There's three hundred
million people in this country, like threefty million people in scody,
Like ten thousand more iations can't do this, right, and
they especially can't do this if they're being resisted at
(07:03):
every turn. And you can look at what they've been
forced to do in la and how they've been forced
to change tactics as a sign of this, right, where
like at the very beginning, they were rolling up with
like these giant like fucking convoys and like everyone's in
fucking like but like a bunch of guys carrying rifles,
and they were doing these giant raids and they had
(07:24):
to stop because when they were assembling on mass in places,
people would just fucking show up and throw shit at them.
And so they had to stop doing that because it
was it was it was hindering their ability to do
this shit. And this is a mirror, interestingly, of what's
of what's been happening to protesters right where like protesters
also have been in in LA have not been just
gathering in one spot because then like the force of
(07:45):
the police can just come down and hammer you. We've
done the same thing to Ice, Like they can't do
these like giant gatherings in one place because like the
community will descend on them. So what they've been forced
to do is, like you know, they've become incredibly mobile.
Theyir deployed and just like a parking lot for a
small amount of time, doing hidden run strikes on civilians.
And this is also partially why they're not in uniform,
(08:07):
because if they show up in uniform, like everyone can
just immediately fucking show up and fight them. Right. And
so this is something that I don't think is understood
very well, which is that their tactics have been forced
to evolve based on what we're doing to them, and
even the increases in budget they're doing. Yeah, the attention
facility stuff is extremely bad. Even with ten thousand more agents,
(08:28):
they don't have enough people to like fundamentally change the
numbers game here. Right, this is all very bad. It
is just straight up evil. It is like hideously destructive
and painful. That is the point of this is to
be hideously destructive and painful. But every single day, every
single day, in places like Los Angeles, there are a
bunch of ordinary people who every time fucking eye shows up,
(08:51):
a whole bunch of like messages go out and people
start putting up fucking wheat posts of shit on telephone poles,
and suddenly a bunch of people show up to try
to resist these people. And if we keep doing that,
and if we intensify that, that none of the worst
case scenario shit from this budget has to happen. I
want to make that very clear before we go to break.
I want to get through a little bit more of
(09:11):
the just like straight cruelty stuff, because there's just stuff
in here that's just like they just hate immigrants, like
they want everyone to suffer, and they also want you
to just suffer in bureaucratic hell. So one of the
things that they're doing is they're setting a cap. This
this bill sets a cap on the number of immigration
judges in the country at eight hundred, So there's only
seven hundred right now. Right seven hundred immigration judges is
(09:33):
not enough immigration judges to process everyone. They want people
to go on process, and they want to be able
to just fucking grab those people and kick them out.
They want people stuck in this process forever. They are
trying to create a backlog. They are also massively increasing
the application fees for every single stage of the immigration process.
AIC calculates it would quote result in at least fifteen
(09:55):
hundred dollars in filing fees during the five year weight
And like, these people have no fucking money, right, Like,
that's why they're coming here. And we talked about this,
James talked about the Nadarian series. Most of these people
have used all of their money just getting to the
US because it's incredibly expensive and dangerous, and these policies
(10:15):
don't generate a significant amount of revenue. It's just inflicting
hardship and suffering on people who want to live in
this place. Yeah, do you know who else wants to
live in this place?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I couldn't come up with the transition there. It's too bleak.
I don't know products and services go. We are back
speaking of things being terrible. Let's talk Medicaid. So Medicaid
(10:52):
is getting a trillion dollars of cuts over the next
ten years. They are imposing an eighty hour a month
work requirement from Medicaid in food stamps. This is going
to kick off unbelievable numbers of people. The Congressional Budget
Office estimates in the next nine years it will kick
off eighteen point three million people. This is particularly devastating
(11:13):
to people with disabilities because again there are lots of
people who can't work that number of hours, and again
it's devastating people who can't find jobs is a fucking horrific,
horrific thing. This is also particularly bad for trans people
because that work requirement is also now applied to food stamps.
So like, if you just fucking can't find a job,
(11:35):
like fucking eat shit, they're kicking you off of Medicaid
and food stamps. They're estimating about three million people get
kicked off of SNAP. And again, trans people use Medicaid
and SNAP at enormous rates, significantly higher form the general
population because our poverty rates are much much higher. And
this is something we talked about in the last executive disorder.
But like, this is going to just destroy vast swaths
(11:57):
of the Royal hospital system because again, one in four
people in rural areas get their healthcare paid for by Medicaid.
Kaiser Family Foundation is estimating that it's going to be
one hundred and fifty five billion dollars decrease in rural
regions over the next decade. These hospitals have already been closing.
My estimates on this is I think it's actually the
(12:18):
actual damage to healthcare in these communities is going to
be significantly worse than what's being projected right now because
hospital margins are absolutely terrible and they're just built to
be increasingly more profit extractive. You know, this is creating
a system where if you are rich and in urban areas,
you can get health care, but if you're fucking poor
(12:40):
in urban areas, eat shit. And if you're in rural
areas and you don't have the money to like fucking
take a private jet or some shit, or you can't
pay for like verys private medical care, they're leaving you
to die. This is going to just absolutely devastate the
rural economy. And also that's not even the only sort
of like devastation healthcare thing. Center for American Progress wrote
(13:03):
a good article about this. This bill also is very
very laser targeted at defunding Planned Parenthood. It has a
ban on using Medicaid at any clinic that provides abortions,
so that money already can't go to abortions, right, that's
the High Amendment. It fucking sucks, we hate it. It's terrible.
But this is just a ban on any clinic that
(13:25):
provides abortions taking Medicaid, which is just like, you know,
just annihilates Planned Parenthood. It makes it really really fucking
hard to do abortions. Planned Parenthood is estimating that they're
going to have to close two hundred clinics, largely in
blue states, in urban areas there are a lot of people.
And this is also again trans people who get their
coverage from Plant Parenthood. It's really really, really fucking bad.
(13:47):
And it's yeah, I mean that Plant Parenthood is calling
it like a crypto abortion ban, which it kind of
is in a lot of ways, because they're just going
after the ability to actually like fund.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Clinics, runa function in clinic.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, and this is again, you know, like the strategies
they use against trans healthcare, the strategies they use against
abortion care. Yeah, and so you know, we're seeing all
of these things combined together as like this budget bill
and like a lot of what this budget bill is.
I mean, there's obviously always policy shit in budget bills,
but this is a budget bill full of just shit
that like could never get passed normally, like would just
(14:22):
impossible to pass through Congress. But they're just sort of
like ramming through these a bunch of like hideously unpopular
procedures like in this in this fucking bill, because it's reconciliation.
You can't fill a buster it. They're just like putting
all of this shit in. They've also eliminated programs that
made it easier to enroll in medicaid because they want
you to be stuck in bureaucracy forever, both on just
(14:44):
the level of like if you're stuck in bureaucracy forever,
you can't actually access medicaid, and then also the more
stuck in bureaucracy you are, the easier it is to
sell these like conservative like anti bureaucracy budget cut things.
So it's this like spiraling thing of like everyone in
the world is increasingly trapped in these bureaucratic hellholes trying
to get literally anything out of the state, which is
(15:06):
that and the only critique of this is from the right,
And because the only critique of this is from the right,
they use it to build their power while making everyone
else's fucking lives miserable. There's also a provision in this
that says that if you make the federal poverty line
to one hundred and thirty eight percent of the federal
poverty line, so that's like fifteen thousand, six hundred a
year of fifteen thousand and six fifty a year to
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like eighteen thousands for a single person, there's like a
mandatory copay increase for each time you'd like visit a doctor,
like up to thirty five dollars, which is fucking hideous
because like again, the people on Medicaid, like in a
lot of places, it's been possible to use Medicaid without
paying any money for a visit, right, and that makes
(15:48):
people go to the doctor. But if you have to
pay any money, because the people who are this fucking poor,
like you don't have thirty five dollars like fucking laying
around to go to the hospital, you fucking defer, and
you defer, you defer, and you defer in your healthcare
until it becomes until you hit something that either kills
you or is so devastating you have to go to
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the hospital. And that's the situation that the GOP wants here, Like,
these cuts are not about saving money, they're about just
inflicting incredible cruelty on people. And yeah, this is just
another absolutely devastating sort of outcome of this bill. So
there's also a whole bunch of rollbacks of like all
(16:32):
of the existing climate policy we've had, which has never
been like super good but was like something. But they've
eliminated the tax credit for electric cars. There's now tax
credits for like auto loans and shit in very like
you can like write off auto loans in very weird ways.
Wait are you serious to some extent, Yeah, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Finally, finally I'm gonna get that Mazda Miata. It's finally happening. Oh,
thank goodness, thank you, thank you Trump, Sorry Elon, thank
you you Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It's interesting because there's like one or two things that
are like kind of okay, like okay, But my favorite
one is one of the things they gets a lot
of press is is like, oh, there's no taxes on tips,
but that's only a temporary.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Thing that goes for like the next what four years.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah yeah, but then it just expires. Yeah, so it's
just like literally a payoff.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You know based Actually, I think tips should be tax
low key.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah wow wow petit bourgeois garrison.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah. So one of the provisions of this is that
like the Medicaid cuts like only go into effect in
twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Which is very curious because if you think about it,
so much of this bill is just trying to like
midterms proof the GOP m hm. So as soon as
the midterms happen, and they expect the Democrats to do
very well despite the broken state of the Democratic Party currently,
but that's that's probably still what they're forecasting. But this
bill is built so that the Medicaid cuts only go
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into effect after the mid yep, yep, yep. They're trying
to make sure it won't hurt them during mid terms.
But also if Democrats do take power, then they can
use the fact that medicaid is doing really bad to
help Republicans in the next general which is insane because
they're the ones that ruined Medicaid. So there's a lot
of stuff like that in the bill where they're trying
(18:19):
to make certain things go into effect specifically to help
them in future elections and hurt Democrats in future elections,
including the tax on tips thing. Yep. I will say
it does give us a little bit of room to maneuver. Yeah,
because this entire bill is a threat.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, and they have to actualize it.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And unless they follow through on the threat, then that's
all it is. So people have to keep challenging them
on this and defaying their ability to implement this. And
we do have a year and a half to nullify
at least some of the worst aspects of this bill,
and that includes strengthening local healthcare systems, food stamps, but
(18:58):
also continuing to mobilize popular resistance to ice and border patrol.
We cannot afford to surrender here.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, no, And you know, back at the beginning of
the administration, the phrase I was using could talk about
what this is going to do. I think we were
all sort of using this was like the state is
going to retreat and become more hostile, and this is
like the ten times mega like acceleration of this. Right, Yeah, yes,
like the state is becoming a thing withoud that it
exists only to like kill you. Right. But the thing is,
(19:30):
it is also worth noting these programs are not just
there because like they're good for people. They were there
to buy people off, right, Like the carrot and the
stick are both parts of maintaining each other. Right. The
reason you can have the stick is because you have
the carrot to pacify enough people to be able to
deploy the stick. They seem to believe that they can
(19:53):
only fucking use the stick now, and they can give
you the tiniest fucking carrots that have ever existed. And
we are going to get to see whether they can
do that and whether our ability to like fucking produce
our own carrots allows us to generate a situation where
they fucking can't keep controlling you more.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The other thing that they demonstrated the past few months
is the unilateral ability to shut down government agency.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And this is something that a smart future candidate could
weaponize because Ice is younger than most people listening to
this podcast, It's younger than me.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Abolishing ICE is now the conservative position. If you are
a moderate conservative, you are you now must be in
favor of abolishing ice like that's that's that's simply where
we are now.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I was at this somewhat cursed Fourth of July party,
I guess full of some of MEA's old Twitter enemies.
Oh no, I will not name names, but multiple, multiple
people apologize to me for making fun of ice must
be destroyed in the past.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I'm so fucking vindicated.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I am the most vindicated of all time. They wanted
me to pass off the message to you that they
are sorry and that you were right the whole time.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I was fucking right. So I'm realizing there's a lot
of people who actually don't know this. I am the
person who, until I deleted my Twitter account last year,
ended every post with moreover, ice must be destroyed. I
also do this on Blue Sky now, and I want
to specifically, if you want to apologize to me, specifically
send that apology in the form of money to the
Trans Income Project. We will link the Trans Income Project's
(21:29):
fundraiser below below. Here they give money directly the trans people.
They do a whole bunch of unbelievably cool shit. It rules.
We're going to have episodes talking about them at some
point in the next couple of months. They are fucking awesome.
So direct direct, direct your apologies to the Trans Income Project.
Give trans people money.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I will inform the people at the next cursed for
the time.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
All right, you know who else wants your money?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
These products and services that support this podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yep, we are back. So there's another part of this
bill that has been getting very very little coverage that
it really sucks shit, which is a national voucher tax
(22:21):
credit program for private schools. So the way this works
is really convoluted. You can get tax credits by giving
money to organizations that supports private and religious schools and
give out school vouchers. So the reason it's set up
like this is this is a way to get around
the ban on like giving money to religious schools. Why
(22:42):
just giving money to organizations that give money to religious schools.
But what this does, right, So these vouchers let you
pull your kid out of public school and send them
to a private school. And what this does it allows
you to spend seventeen hundred dollars like to these organizations
and get a one one hundred percent tax credit. Literally,
(23:03):
nothing works like this. Charitable donations don't work like this.
Nothing else like that we have ever had works on
a one hundred percent tax credit like this, Like no
donation fucking happens at all. This is a massive tax
cut for money that goes to fucking rich family whose
kids are ready go to private schools. It is a
massive attack on the public education system. These voucher programs
(23:24):
are hideously unpopular, fucking they keep failing in red states.
Everyone hates them. They fail in blue states. There is
literally zero chance they could ever get this pass through
Congress normally, but they stuck it into the budget bill
and forced everyone to vote for it. Now, it's worth
noting that this is again, this is a fulfillment of
like the ancient dream of the right, which is to
(23:44):
destroy the public education system and replace it with private
a private education system that is resegregated. They have been
trying to do this for as long as the like
the modern right, has been around. This has been their thing.
You know, we have talked endlessly on the show about
the ways in which the ways in which the modern
right is built, specifically on the opposition to desegregation, and
how this has been their plan, So this also starts
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in twenty twenty seven. It is important to note the
states have to opt into this program, so they can
still be killed in most places on the state level.
But it fucking sucks. It is an attempt to destroy
the public education system and a maxim tax cut to
rich assholes. There's also, and this is fun, potentially increases
the student loan payments. So SAVE was the Biden administration's
(24:29):
like loan repayment plan. Lots of this stuff never took
an effect because it was held up by the courts.
But this gets rid of SAVE and other like a
lot of other like loan repayment programs and combines them
into this thing that's called the Repayment Assistance Plan. And
this quote from MSN would set borrowers' payments to one
to ten percent of their income, depending on their income level,
(24:51):
with a monthly minimum payment of ten dollars. Unpaid interest
is waived under this plan, and any remaining balance is
forgiven of for thirty years. So this is like compared
to say, this is a pretty massive increase in how
much you would have to pay for your student loans.
You also can't defer payments if you're unemployed or dealing
with economic problems, which is a complete shit show. It's
(25:13):
also it also is worth noting that like mass non
payments of student loans is already pretty normal. If you
go back to like the Occupy era and you read
stuff from the Debt Collective, there's a lot of talk
then about organizing student loan debt strikes, and then they
just found out that like huge numbers of people already
weren't paying, So you know, there's there's potential for resistance here.
(25:36):
There's been a lot of work done on this front
over the past fifteen years. It also gets rid of
the Graduate Plus program for people without kids, so there's
just like a bunch of fucking horrible shit happening. There's
also in this in this thing, one hundred million dollars
for the Office of Management and Budget to do more
dode shit. And again, OMB right now is as as
(25:59):
centertor America Park is points out literally ran by the
director and author and co author of Project twenty twenty five,
and they're giving him one hundred and twenty five million
dollars to figure out how to cut more government agencies.
I'm sorry, one hundred million, sorry, hundred million dollars sea.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Oh that that twenty five will make such a big difference. Yeah,
I have some ideas for some futures if we want
to save approximately forty billion dollars a year. Just at
Democrats on on on Twitter and blue Sky and and threads,
let me know. I can give you some ideas.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Ice Border Patrol.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
It's possibly billions of dollars in savings.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
So let me know at at DNC on all platforms
I can. I can advise for a very very fair
pay rate review.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Of all DoD military contracts.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Competitive consulting rate. I can let you know what things
you too can doge in the future. Postal cops. It's
about time ACAB includes the post Office.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Both beliefs it does. It's motherfucker suck ass right. There's
also four point five trillion dollars and cuts tax cuts
mostly for rich people. There's a bunch of extremely stupid
shit in here. This just it's just a giant wealth
transfer from poor people to rich people, which is very bad.
It's also notable that it puts, like over the next decade,
(27:25):
like another a three trillion dollar hole in the deficit.
And this is worth noting because this has pissed off
a lot of Silicon Valley fascists. Because a lot of
the Silicon Valley people, and this is something I've talked
about this before, but it's very important to understand a
lot of these people are completely obsessed with the deficit,
right because they want the government to run like a business.
(27:47):
Well yeah, but there's a second thing going on here too,
which is like they think that like that US deficit
payments are going to like basically overwhelm the US budget
and they're just become increasingly large percentage GDP, which will
cause the US to just like be destroyed. And those
people are genuinely very pissed at this about this budget.
(28:09):
And Elon Musk is kind of like one of the
avatars of this, right me, I.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Think, I think, I think you mean elongated muskrat God.
I should call him by his real.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Name, fucking god.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But yeah, you know, he is the kind of like
rallying point of the people who are genuine only ideologically
committed to just like doing all of these budget cuts
because they're like weird, actual like true leaver deficit hawks,
unlike the people who want to do it because they
also want to do it because they hate poor people,
but like.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
They hate poor people differently, they have a different type
of hate.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, they have different Yeah. Well, and it's also like
the question basically is are you willing to like massively
increase the deficit to give corporations spending cuts or do
you think that if you do that, you also need
to do even more cuts. And that's that's the cant
that Elon's in. It's worth noting before we get to
the Elon angle of this, I'm just going to read
(29:05):
this from The New Republic. A survey by The Washington
Post found that forty two percent of Americans opposed the bill,
while only twenty three percent supported it, leaving the legislation
with a net favorable rating of minus nineteen. And that
was the most positive that the results got. A Pure
Research Center poll found the bill had a net favorability
rating of minus twenty. Fox News found a net favorability
(29:26):
rating of minus twenty one. I mean, quinit pack found
a net favorability of minus twenty six and KFF found
ability rating of minus twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Those do sound low, but on the other hand, that's
a very high number for Matt Gates. So for the GOP.
You know, it's it's not that low.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nineteen is like the top of his range.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Thank you for that cutting edge, Matt Gates pedophile joke
right right right on the right, on the cusp of culture.
We're just really writing the zeitgeist.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
So everyone fucking hates this bill is the thing. Right,
And in this kind of climate, Elon Musk has decided
to create a new political party called the America Party
to run against the GOP.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Many such cases, many such cases times just time as
a flat circle. Once again, this is like.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
The farsest farce version of the Reform Party, Like who
fucking knows what this is going to do in the end,
Like we just don't know. Probably nothing, nothing, Yeah, it's
actually going to do nothing. Maybe slightly put a tiny
dent in the GOP. But yeah, I mean, I will
say I will say this. The actual important thing about
(30:38):
Elon opposing Trump is that it it gives a wedge
to pry away different sections of Trump's base, like of
Trump's elite base from him. Like again, like as you
talked about, like the one moment where it's ever been
possible to talk about like the Trump Epstein shit was
when that happened. So I don't know. I think there's
(31:01):
potential for the future where like stuff can you know,
it's possible for there to be larger riffs in that
sort ofly collision and that can possibly be exploited. Yeah,
there's also just like a bunch of unhindshit that I think,
I'm not sure if people understand didn't get in the bill.
All of the like government land transfer stuff got cut.
That they wanted to put a proposal in to make
(31:23):
it so that you had to like pay a bond
if you sued the governments, and that didn't make it in.
Thankfully we stopped them from doing the trans medicaids of
bullshit for episode forthcoming. But yeah, this bill really fucking sucks.
There's a lot of just unbelievably terrible provisions in it.
But Comma, everyone hates it and it can be stopped.
(31:47):
And that's all I got on Genocide Bill. It could happen.
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