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April 30, 2024 24 mins

The second half of our conversation with Ahmed and Abdullah. In this episode we talk about grieving the loss of their friends and how solidarity and protest outside Gaza has made an impact on them.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
CAO Zone media.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Since October seventh, Israel has killed tens of thousands of
Palestinian civilians, many of them children. All over the world,
people have taken to the streets to call for an
end to the killing, to show solidarity with the people
of Palestine amidst their genocide. This is an unprecedented act
of solidarity, but it's also been a long time coming,

(00:27):
and we wanted to know how it made Ahmed and
Abdolah feel.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I walk in the straights here in Sweden and they
see the people wearing the kofeya, the Palestinian kofeya, and
it's something that made me feel for sure happy and
to see that the people start to be aware of
what's going on in Palestina and Gaza, start to understand
that we have occupation, that we that finally you need

(00:56):
to look in our codes and solve it. This is ballistine,
this is Balestinians, that they need their freedom, they need
to live as any other person or on this earth.
And to see the support of the people, it's the
most important for us to to live. It give us

(01:19):
a sense of freedom while we are not free yet,
just make us, give us hope that something will happen
in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's because it's a story of oppressed people who have
been suffering, suffering for years. And I guess these people
need attention, need the more effort of the people so
they can get their freedom as as they have when
they have done about the Black lives matters. And it's

(01:56):
also it should it should come from the people. That's
how the world get affected. If the people go against
their governments, against the the decisions of their leaders, that's
what gonna change the public opinion, the leader's opinion.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Also, I wanted to ask about, like people want to
help now more than I think they ever have in
this country. People are aware, people who weren't aware before,
People who couldn't have told you, like where like Palestine
was in relation to the map, Maybe now want to help.
And that's cool, that's great. Like I think obviously people

(02:36):
have a lot of learning to do because this isn't
an issue that's been very well covered by the media
in the US for decades. Right. The media in this
country has also dedicated itself to dehumanizing Muslim people for
a very long time, but extensively over the last twenty years. So,
like two things that come out of that. I want

(02:56):
to ask, like, if people want to help where they
have money, that tend to be the easiest way to
make a difference, right, But you've told me before a
lot of the angios, your parents, your families end up
buying the food they get donated. So is there an
angio that is better? And then like what can people

(03:16):
do to learn? I guess like to learn more. I
mean either from you guys or thinks or books or
films that you think are good.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I mean the all the companies or the organizations that
works in US are Yeah, for sure, they're trying their best.
But yeah, as you have seen that most of the
trucks are standing outside Rapa crossing and they are just
allowing two hundred trucks a day for two million people
who are hungry are suffering. So yeah, for sure, like

(03:52):
the food is not enough, and when someone wants to
get this food, he have to or he or they
have to buy the food. And it's more than ten
times more expensive than what it was before, and sometimes
it reaches even more and even the vegetables, it's like

(04:13):
higher than the price is here in Europe. Imagine like
a country under a war no wark, no jobs. Everything
is stop and the prices are going higher and higher
because the stuff is very limited and the food is
limited and everything is limited. So for sure, like people

(04:35):
want to sell the stuff that they have so they
can earn money so they can buy another stuff. And
that's how the people are doing in Gaza. So if
they get something maybe for free, which is very rare
that it happened because it's too many people. For example,
my family are buying the food, and I know how

(04:58):
it is for them that it is hard for them
to get the stuff that they even need because all
what they have is food that is backed in cans,
beans mostly beans actually, and that's what they have everything.
They tell me, we have been eating beans or a

(05:18):
lot of these and pasta and they buy this stuff.
It's not that it's for free. Sometimes every other month,
every other two months to get a bag of flours
so they can make bread.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
And it's not just food aid that can be hard
to get your hands on in Gaza. Even sending money
is difficult.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, it is starvation for the people. People are really
like suffering from that and I cannot imagine how is
my family living that situation, because I really find it
hard these times. They even send my family money because
of how like most of the offices are closed that

(06:01):
can that can receive money from outside Gaza. So it's
most of the offices are very busy that they have
to stand in a queue for more than ten hours,
five hours sometimes and in the end they tell them, oh,
we're sorry, we are out of cash, and that's what happens. Yeah,

(06:25):
and the imagine like the same money going and coming back.
So it's sometimes there is nothing in the banks, there
is nothing in the offices that is exchanging and receiving
money from outside. Like Western Union is not working anymore,
Money Gram is not working, and now the people are

(06:45):
using something like a crypto coin like usd T and
you know, to send one hundred dollars for example, they
take like more than fifteen percent of that and then
in the same time you also have to pay another
ten percent or five percent for sending because the USDT

(07:07):
is not equal with the USD because in the corrective
coin it's more expensive, so you need to pay more
dollars to get USDT and then there they receive it
as a dollar. So yeah, to support I suggest if
anyone wants to support or have the money that wants

(07:31):
support a family or people in Gaza. The only thing
is to actually contact the family that they want to
support directly, because yeah, the all the support that goes
through the organizations, the international organizations takes very long time

(07:53):
and in the end it treches Gaza and it's not
enough for the people, and then the will have to
buy it. It's not that Ghaza for free.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Although millions of people are trapped in Gaza right now,
we also know that some Gazans have been able to leave.
We've seen fundraisers pop up for people trying to get
themselves or their families out of Gaza. We asked Ahmed
and Andola if they had an idea how much it
would cost to leave Gaza right now.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
But then imagine Egyptians government are charging five thousand dollars
for each truck entering Gaza, and they're charging every person
five thousand dollars to leave from Gaza. So it's something
else to help with. If you want to help someone
to live from Gaza, is also help our family or

(09:00):
something like that. I can say. I mean, I'm trying
to get my family out of there because I don't
see any better future. In Gaza at the moment. Imagine
like this, what happened to Gaza will need at least
more than ten years to recover. All the schools are destroyed,
all the houses. Our home is bombed, you know, to

(09:24):
rebuild a home. It's not just about rebuilding a home.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Even if the bombing stopped today, the crisis woulden. Almost
all of Gaza's infrastructure. It's hospitals, universities, schools, and streets
has been destroyed. There's nothing left in Gaza. There's nowhere
to go if you're sick. There's nowhere to buy food
or clothes for your children. There's nowhere to buy the
materials to fix your bombed house. Given all of this,

(09:48):
it's hard to see a future for people there, which
isn't very difficult. So we asked Abdolah, not made about rebuilding.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
You need to rebuild everything. You know, where will the
water go, Where will the water come from? The electricity?
Everything is bombed. You know, you need to build a
whole new city, which will take at least at least
at least at least ten years. It's much much more.
And the affection of it on the Bible themselves also

(10:17):
what they have suffered what they have, you know, it's
going to take them a long time to heal. So
I think I did not want to take a step
a step like this, but I will ask in the
end my people who follow me to if they want
to support the people and if they want to support

(10:42):
any member of my family to get out of Gaza,
because I don't see it any better and I'm not
ready to lose any of my family. And yeah, I imagine,
like I have a brother who's twelve years old the moment,
and I have a sister which turned sixteen, and another

(11:06):
sister which has two kids, and one of them was
born in the war, like four months old at the moment,
And what about these kids, what will they do if
they stay in Gaza? And you can apply that on
the rest of Gaza people, Abdalla's family and his brother's sons,

(11:28):
his brother's kids. So yeah, that's the best is I
don't know, but most many, many people want to really
get out of there at the moment because they think
about what happened to Gaza. It will take years and
it's my family is future, and they don't know for

(11:52):
how long it will take to fix this future. If
they stay in Gaza and if they still stay alive,
because if they inter Gaz at the moment, my family
is in Rafa and close to the borders area with Egypt,
and that's the only place where are most of the

(12:15):
people at the moment, like more than one and a
half million are staying in a very small area and
Israel inter Rafa, that will be just yeah, the huge
is disaster that would ever happen on earth. That imagine

(12:36):
thirty six thousand people killed and that's the one that
is confirmed on the list that they found, but you know,
thousands and thousands are like they cannot confirm, like they
already unknown, they don't know who they are. And there's
thousands under the rabble that they cannot get out and

(13:00):
many missings, so it can be it could reach to
one hundred thousand together with the injured people, and that's
not a small number. And imagine if the enter to
a place like Trafa, that will be just like double

(13:21):
what have happened. At least I hope that with not
having but I see that Israelis are very decided that
they want to do that, even if no one would
be able to stop them, they say, and they would
do it even without the support of anyone, without the
support of the USA or without and that shows how

(13:48):
criminals they are. I can say that they want just
to slaughter all the people in Gaza. They don't care
about civilian or not civilian. Yeah, I want to do
my best to help my family, and they see I
have to to take them to a several place and

(14:12):
I don't know if it's possible of this day in Gaza.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
Like anyone else, Armed and Abdullah want their families to
be safe. But because they were born in Palestine, they
don't have the privilege of not having to constantly worry
about their families safety. They also don't get to be
the ones making choices to impact their safety. Instead, these
choices are made by other people. Those people don't know
are mad n Abdullah or their families. They might be IDF,

(14:39):
their own operators, or US diplomats. To those people, their
families are just numbers, but are made and Abdullah, their
families are their whole world.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
How it works to get people out of Gaza is
like you have to send someone in Egypt to pay
for the government in Egypt. So they bought their names
in the list of Rava borders they can travel. That's
how it works. So and they charge every person at
least five thousand. You pay more than you are able.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
To leave earlier.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
If you don't pay, or you pay five thousand, you
stay and wait in the queue. If you don't pay,
you die in Gaza. Yeah, you're worth nothing. That's how
it is. I don't know how it is for Abdullah.
How does he feel about the future of Gaza at
the moment? How do you feel like for the next

(15:31):
ten years watching your family? I cannot imagine. That's the thing.
That's why it lead me to steps like that, because
I always never wanted to. My family are very you know,
loving to the country that they don't want to leave Gaza.
My mother was like, no, we build home first, and

(15:52):
but I was telling trying to convince her by just
explaining the situation and the next ten years from now,
which is another disaster after the war, which is make
her understand more of the effort so true to think
about her children the future. And yeah, but in the

(16:17):
same time I understand the love for the country. I
always love Gaza and I even have Gaza and everything
in my life, I have it in my name, even
like I always if I say my name, I say
I'm Mather Gaza as my name. You know, I don't
say I'm a'm At Mather in my social media even

(16:37):
it says Mather Gaza sin is always not during the war,
and it's because I'm proud to be from there, because
it's the place that taught me the strength. It gave
me the power, it gave me like it taught me
a lot of values that I use in my life
at the moment. That made me patient, made me strong,

(17:02):
and that's what is Gaza. It made me the person
I am that I always hope and I always dream.
I always have an X to dream because we always
dream as a bit people from Gaza.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Albilla told us that his family is similar to Ahmeds,
not wanting to leave Gaza because of their love of
the land. Their priorities are to help their families. He
said that when people ask him how can I help,
his view is that everyone has their own way of supporting.
It does not necessarily have to mean financial help if
that is not a possibility for someone. He stressed the

(17:39):
importance of posting on social media to continue spreading awareness
and how the Palestinian struggle is a struggle that concerns
all of humanity.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
You know, at the beginning I was I was thinking,
like I want to go to Gaza directly after this
or during the war. But the wars I see, the
harder it may it like that even if I go,
what will it help with my family? Like home is destroyed.

(18:08):
Everything is destroyed, not just our home, our whole area,
like our neighbors, everything or or our hood is destroyed,
which is as we said, we take a long time
to fix. So going to Gaza, yeah, for sure it

(18:28):
can help, but in the same time, in the long run,
it's not the the thing will that will make a
change for my family's safety and future. And that's why
I don't know. I am stuck in between two things,
like going to the place where I grow, where I

(18:53):
learned all of these values to be strong, and but
in the same time, living life where everything is destroyed,
where you don't have a future, or decide to be
in a severe place where you may be fix the future,

(19:13):
but away from your country, from your heart, because you know,
for us, Gaza is our heart. We really love Gaza.
We care about everything in Gaza. But that's where I'm
stuck between safety and future and the heart Gaza, the

(19:35):
bless where we love.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
We really appreciate you, both of you guys, sharing your
your feelings and your stories. And I think i'mmit a
great point about how even if you can't support financially,
there's a huge benefit of continuing to share posts about
Palestine and continue to talk about it and not letting
life just go as usual and making people remember what's

(19:58):
happening and not letting them forget. I think that's important
to remember for all the listeners. Just if you're able, like,
the least we can do is talk about Palestine. That's
the very least, very least you can do.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Thank you. It was a bleacher a bleisure to talk
to you and share the story with you, for sure,
and to tell you the situation of every person who's
living outside Gaza, away from their families. That's I guess,
not just me, not just up the lights. Every Palestinian

(20:30):
from Gaza who's living away from their family, they are
really suffering, I can say, because we are not living
normal since this unicide started in Gaza, and we hope
it will end soon so we can see our families
and yeah, stop the killing of this people from this

(20:57):
children because it has been war genocide on the children,
women innocent. More than fifteen thousand children have been killed
and much more disappearing. And yeah, women and so it's
more than seventy percent of the people who been killed

(21:20):
are women and children and also prest is El three
and men teenagers.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Guys, Where can people if they want to follow along,
like to hear more from you guys, just to see
your stories? Where can they find you? A on social
media online?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yo can find me on my instagram at Arghaza although.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
This week that's my accounting Instagram. As Ahmad was saying,
I mean, really appreciate everything we I mean we are
here because also what you want as much as people
to know about it and just to think and to
know that you know, gusen suple expanions. They are not
really a numbers. They are people. There are people that

(22:05):
everybody has really hot and he's beating all the time,
and we have feelings, we we we have everything that
any human think in this as and this world as
same as everybody is really listening right now and we
are all equal. There's nobody is better than another one

(22:26):
at the end, we are all the same. So it's
we are not numbers. Just I would I would like
that everybody remember this. There's so many and so much
really bigger stories behind every every one, every one that
will really killed. Everyone has a family, and you have

(22:48):
to think, what if there's just you know, a person
that he wrote everyone first from his family. That's one story.
The other person that he lost his kid, that's another story.
That other person was his mom, that's another story. The
other person was that's mother to the story. So everybody

(23:09):
has his own story. That's why I'm just trying to
show that we are not just a numbers. There's so
many other things that we have, and we would feel
often so even though the people they are still alive
and they are alive, they are dead, they're not alive

(23:30):
because literally we have nothing whether they lost someone in
the family or whether they can die even from hunger.
Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yeah, thank you man, Thank you Beth.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
We really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Hey everyone, it's me James. I hope you found those enlightening.
Another difficult to listen to, but I think they're important
as well. I just wanted to update the end of
the episode. You know that Ahmed has made a fundraising page.
He's raising funds for his family who are still trapped
in Gaza. If you'd like to donate to that, we
will include the link in the show notes. But I'm
also going to read it here just so you can

(24:12):
remember it you're driving or what have you. It's h
T T P S Colon slash, slash go get funding
g O G E T f U N D I
n G dot com, slash Matthars Family M A T
A R S F A M I L Y I

(24:32):
hope if you're able to support them then you will.
Thanks very much.

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