January 15, 2019 • 30 mins
Zodiac moves to the City by the Bay
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
After the attack at Lake barri Essa, the Zodiac fell silent.
There were no more letters, there were no more phone
calls after that initial phone call to the Napa Police Department,
and we don't know why. But two weeks after the
attack at Lake Barriessa, the Zodiac resurfaced in San Francisco.
And while he had already sent a letter to the
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San Francisco Chronicle establishing himself as a link to San Francisco,
he hadn't committed any crimes there that we knew.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of in the newsroom, our ears perked up, obvious a
little more about this kind of case. Now you've got
three cases and the one guy claiming responsibility and providing
in some of these letters details and only the police
would know, so they'd verify that he was at the
actual scene. But it wasn't until October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine,
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when Zodiac first struck in San Francisco, that I think
the Chronicle went into full on serial killer mode if
you will. For a couple of reasons. One is in
this case, Zodiac hailed a taxi in front of the
theater in the current theater on Geary Street in San Francisco.
He asked to be taken out to a fairly upscale
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neighborhood called Presidio Heights, where he instructed the driver to stop,
and once he stopped, he asked them to go another
block for reasons no one's ever figured out, And when
they got to the next corner, Zodiac shot the guy
in the back of the head and killed him. This
cab driver's name was Paul Stein.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
A man in a mask robbed, tied, and stabbed him,
leaving them for day.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Subject stated, I want to report a murder, no a
double murder.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
I did it a man who wore a medieval style
executioners hood, carried a knife and gun and intended to
use them.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
They haven't arrested me because they can't prove a thing.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm not the damn Zodiac.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
Who is the Zodiac and where is he from?
Speaker 8 (02:24):
iHeartRadio, Housetuff Works and Tenderfoot TV.
Speaker 9 (02:28):
This is monster, the Zodiac killer.
Speaker 8 (02:33):
Taxi drivers are the unspoken experts of their cities, the
unofficial tour guides per se. In a big city like
San Francisco, taxi drivers are ubiquitous, They're everywhere, They're a constant,
a given, and because of this, they were also an
easy target for the Zodiac.
Speaker 10 (02:52):
Think about it.
Speaker 8 (02:53):
There are a few people more trusting of strangers than
a taxi driver. They pull over, pick you up, drop
you off. You never even see their face for exchange names.
There's intimacy here. You are sharing this small place, but
the stranger. Do you really know who's in the car
with you. The Zodiac didn't stalk his victims for weeks.
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He chose them at random because of their environment, their unawareness,
and in some cases, their occupation. What's more frightening than
someone who prays on the unexpecting.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
San Francisco is directly linked to the Zodiac killer. There's
no escaping it, which is ironic because it's not where
he started. He started in Valleo and Benetia.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
This is Zodiac expert Michael Butterfield.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And maybe that was something that he wanted. Maybe he
lived in San Francisco. Maybe it was easier to write
to the San Francisco Chronicle and make sure that he
could read that newspaper than it was to drive all
the way to wherever he had to go to get
a Valeo Times Harold, I don't know. One thing that
we know for sure is that the Zodiac wanted the
attention that.
Speaker 10 (03:56):
He wanted when he wanted it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Now. What he wanted in July of nineteen sixty nine
was for as many people to see this as possible,
to get as much attention as possible, and to cement
his image as a real threat. And it worked. And
then after that, I think one of the things that
he started to realize was I'm going to do better
if I keep going to the Chronicle, then if I
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keep going to another newspaper. And there's some evidence that
the Vleo Times Herald was not as willing to keep
playing this game with him. Maybe he sensed that maybe
when he was looking at their coverage he didn't like
what he saw. So after that he started focusing on
the San Francisco Chronicle and they were happy to play alone.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
Well, the key papers in San Francisco were the Chronicle
and the Examiner. They were very different. At the end
of the day, the Examiner was a kind of symbolic power,
but it was losing its circulation war with the San
Francisco Chronicle.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Here's Peter Richardson, historian and lecturer at San Francisco State University.
Speaker 11 (05:00):
Was never a gray paper journalistically, but they had some
very interesting columnists. It was kind of a fun read
for that reason. But the city had never really distinguished
itself journalistically. It didn't have a paper during this time
like the Los Angeles Times, much less the Washington Post
or the New York Times. They were widely read, but
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they were not any great shakes.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Despite this, the San Francisco Chronicle had the highest readership
in the Bay Area, and Peter Richardson says that this
was the only thing that mattered to the Zodiac.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
The Psychotic killer has already murdered five, one at a
lover's lane near a lake just north of San Francisco,
three others in nearby Vallejo, the latest a taxi driver
in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
He apparently was in the area of Mason and Geary
in San Francisco and hailed a cab, and that cab
was being driven by Paul Stein, who was a student
and a husband. The plan was to direct Paul Stein
to the intersection of Washington and Maple, which was in
an upscale neighborhood of San Francisco known as Presidio Heights. So,
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from what we know, paul Stein took the passenger to
that location. What we don't know is why the cab
eventually ended up one block further west at Washington and
Cherry Streets. Some kids were in a house across the
street and they heard some kind of commotion and looked
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out the window and they saw a man in the
front seat doing something to the cab driver. They thought
that he was stabbing him or doing something to him,
and they watched as the man handled the driver, and
then they called the police. And apparently while they were
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talking to the police dispatcher and they were describing what
they were seeing, something went wrong. Instead of describing the
killer as a white man, the radio dispatch to responding
officers described the killer as a black man. The witnesses
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watched as the man finished whatever he was doing in
the cab. He got out of the cab. He walked
around to the driver's side and appeared to have some
sort of light colored cloth in his hand as he
was wiping down the cab or doing something on the
driver's side of the cab. He then turned and walked
north up Cherry Street.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Two days later, the Chronicle received a letter and only
the Chronicle from the Zodiac.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
This is former reporter Duffy Jennings. He was there when
the San Francisco Chronicle received this now infamous letter.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
As the woman opened it in the editorial department, a
piece of bloody shirt fell out with the letter.
Speaker 12 (08:05):
This is the Zodiac speaking, I am the murderer of
the taxi driver over by Washington Street and Maple Street
last night. To prove this, here's a bloodstained piece of
his shirt. I am the same man who did in
the people in the North Bay.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Area, so they knew that this was Paul Stein's killer.
And now he's again taunting police to catch him. And
the fear factor went way up, and now he's in
San Francisco.
Speaker 13 (08:38):
Captain Lee at this particular time is satisfied that the
individual who sent this piece of shut in and the
letter to the Chronicle was in fact connected with the
is the person who killed the cab driver. Let me
put it that way. The contents of the letters, the
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language of the in other cases are very similar to
the language and the form of the letters in this
particular case, and because of the fact that the shirt
matches the shirt as I understand that we would have
to assume that there is validity to the claim of
this individual.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That was San Francisco Police Chief Thomas Cahill. The SFPD
confirmed the killer was in fact the Zodiac. They knew
this because the striped cloth found in the letter matched
the striped shirt paul Stein was wearing, and when investigators
checked paul Stein's shirt, they found that a rectangular portion
was missing. With the San Francisco Police department involved, this
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crime now crossed over multiple cities and jurisdictions, and those
individual departments weren't necessarily working together. In Napa, where the
last murder occurred at Lake Barriessa, sheriffs had made their
own assessment of the murder in San Francisco.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
But pulmonary tests of certain evidence such as fingerprint and
handwriting have been made to where we are certain that
the man that we're looking for is the same man
responsible for the killing of the cab driver in San Francisco,
plus the shooting deaths in Solano County. In Leo Well, Sheriff,
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what type of person is this man?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
We have reason to believe that he's a maniac. However,
he is a cunning man. He knows just exactly what
moves he's going to make. He knows where he's going
to be from one minute to the next. He knows
where he's going to start and when he's going to end.
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He plans these things out, and he knows just exactly
how this thing is going to turn out. We think
it appears to us that he is killing just for
the thrill of killing.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So how did the killer avoid the police in Presidio Heights?
In the Bloody Shirt letter, the Zodiac gave his own
account of what happened that night.
Speaker 12 (11:09):
The San Francisco police could have called me last night
if they had searched the park properly. Instead of holding
road races with their motorcycles seen who could make the
most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their
cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come
out of cover.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But there was more. In another letter sent just a
few weeks later, Zodiac gave even more details about what
happened after Paulstein's murder.
Speaker 12 (11:37):
If you wonder why I was wiping the cab down,
I was leaving fake clues for the police to run
all over town with. As one might say, I gave
the cops some busy work to do to keep them happy.
I enjoy needling the blue pigs. Hey, blue pig, I
was in the park. You were using fire trucks to
mass the sound of your cruising prowl cars. The dogs
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now came within two blocks of me, and they were
to the west, and there was only two groups of
parking about ten minutes apart. And then the motorcycles went
by about one hundred and fifty feet away, going from
south to northwest ps two cops pulled a goof About
three minutes after I left the cab, I was walking
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down the hill to the park when this cop car
pulled up and one of them called me over and
asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in
the last five to ten minutes, and I said, yes,
there was this man who was running by waving the gun.
And the cops peeled rubber and went around the corner
as I directed them, and I disappeared into the park
a block and a half away, never to be seen again.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Paul Stein, unlike the other victims, became a victim because
of his job. That seems very unfair to me, and
I know that's an odd way to describe it, but
you know, he didn't have a chance, He had no idea.
He was just doing what he thought he was supposed
to do. He thought he would take this person where
he wants to go and go on his way. He
didn't know that the passenger he picked up had other plans.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
This is Michael Butterfield again. He's interviewed numerous people who
were on the scene that night.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And while the kids were watching, the first responding police
officers arrived, and that was Frank Peta and Armand Pealasetti.
And Armand Pealasetti told me in several interviews I did
with him over the years that he arrived at the scene,
he saw the kids coming out of the house. He
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directed them to stand back. He asked his partner to
watch the area to guard the crime scene, and he
approached the cab with a flashlight. He said that when
he got near the driver's side, he could see some
sort of impression on the outer door that appeared to
be blood and maybe fingerprints. He then looked inside the
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cab and he saw Paulstein's body laying in the driver's seat,
and according to armand Pallasetti, it was obvious that he
was dead. Palasetti then walked north on Cherry Street in
pursuit of the killer, and at some point he encountered
two other police officers who were responding officers, Don Falk
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and Eric Zelm's. At some point the description of the
killer was corrected to that.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
Of a white man.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
According to the new witness description, the killer was a
white male in his early forties. He was about five
to eight with a heavy build. He had reddish blonde
hair a crew cut, and he wore eyeglasses and a
dark parka jacket.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And when that happened, apparently Don Falk realized that that
was a man that they had driven past on their
way to the crime scene. So Falc and his partner
turned around and went back and went looking for the killer.
They did not find him. Palasetti kept walking and didn't
see anything. By that time, then the fire department and
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other investigators were arriving. They did find some fingerprints in
that area where armand Palasetti thought he had seen some fingerprints,
and those prints were found in the exact area where
the killer was last seen making contact with the cab.
According to the witnesses, no one touched that cab in
between the time that the killer walked away and armand
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Pallasetti arrived, So that's a strong indication that those fingerprints
did belong.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
To the killer.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I had a lot of questions about the murder of
Paul Stein. Why would the killer change his mo so
dramatically Again, the Zodiac had previously focused on young couples
in isolated areas, and his weapon of choice was a handgun.
He escalated his attacks when he wore a costume, then
tied up and stabbed the couple at Lake Barriessa. This
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time he went back to his regular clothes and back
to his gun to kill a lone male cab driver.
It just didn't make sense to me to better understand.
I first wanted to retrace the Zodiac steps that night
to take the same route in the back of a taxi.
So I started where he did, near the intersection of
Mason and Geary in the Tenderloin district. There's a theater
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nearby that the Zodiac may have gone into.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
My name is Oliver Sutton. I am the head of
security for the Act Theater for more than twenty yefs.
I've known this area virtually all the time I've lived
in South Francisco. The Zodiac, the first murderer could kick
place in San Francisco. A patriot came out of the
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Act Theater. At that time, it was the Geary and
the Act American Conservatory Theater. I don't know what show
was going on at that time, but he could have
got gone into the lobby, used that as a backdrop,
or he could actually been a patron of basict that
came out, had a taxi and murdered him. I'll take
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you into the lobby, turned the lights on and give
you a chance to see where you know where it
took place.
Speaker 14 (17:33):
This h the lights on, so uh, the the killer,
he would have come through these double doors.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's they filmed it that way for the movie. That
he walked out of these double doors and held down
a yellow taxi, a yellow cabby. Being a hat in
any city is tough because you don't know who's getting
in the back seat of the car. According to the story,
the victim was not chosen. It was just a random
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crime of opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
From there, the killer called the taxi and was picked
up by Paul Stein. So I called the cab two.
I asked to be taken to the corner of Washington
and Cherry Street in the Presidio Heights neighborhood. It was
about three miles west, fifteen minutes by car, and oddly enough,
my cab driver's name was also Paul sat.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Diane Feinstein.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Whinstein yea, she lives. Paul and I got to talking.
He had heard about the Zodiac case but didn't know
much of the details. He asked me how many people
the Zodiac had killed. I told him how many of
the police had confirmed. He wasn't impressed. He's swaw time,
I know, and she's swawed potatoes. He saw a ton
of people. The reason why it's it's such a big
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deal is because he was constantly writing to the chronicles.
Speaker 14 (18:53):
Well call, he was one of the first one.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean, he was one of the first, and he
was in the paper.
Speaker 12 (19:01):
So when he did something, he may should that the
police knew it was him that did it.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Right, Yeah, he would send You want him to really claim.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I did that one?
Speaker 9 (19:11):
I don't want nobody has to try.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
To claim that as the glory.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
This is me.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I did it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, here's where it gets crazy, though, man, because he
like in the beginning, like with that one Paul Stein. Yeah,
he sent a piece of the guy's cloth with his
blood on it in his letter to the chronicle, right,
and it was a cab driver. He was a cab driver, yeah,
named Paul.
Speaker 12 (19:29):
He gets I'm a gun spooky man.
Speaker 10 (19:34):
I got bumped.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I got goose bumps onthing, you know how related to
the Zodiac. When we arrived on the scene of paul
Stein's final moments, I got out and just listened for
a while. A few cars drove by, but there wasn't much,
if any, foot traffic. It felt like a different universe
from the bustling city that was just a few blocks away.
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That's when I realized the Zodiac sought out these types locations, quiet,
unassuming areas, places that seem almost peaceful, miles away from
anywhere you might consider dangerous. A country road, a public park,
and a popular vacation spot on a lake, in this case,
a beautiful, upscale neighborhood in San Francisco. It maybe wonder
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did Zodiac want to strip away the feeling of safety
from these places? And as I'm standing there, lost in
this thought. I see a man walking towards me. He's
carrying some takeout. He asked me what I was doing,
and we got to talking. The man requested we not
use his name, and we altered his voice for privacy,
because it turns out he was related to someone who
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witnessed Paul Stein's murder.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
So it was my father, who was actually since past.
He was he was just a kid. He was a kid,
and he was just playing downstairs and he just you know,
looked outside the window and saw yellow cab and it's
being kids there, nosy, and they looked in and I
guess from my memory of what I was told, saw
someone slouch over in the car who, you know, come
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to find it was a culprit of the zodiac. And
you call the police and his family or his mom
and dad were down the street at a party, and
you know, they called me. It was crazy. You know,
I think someone just got murdered. Police came and that's
what they came to find. And he's been hassled. You
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don't buy every investigator since trying to solve it. But
I don't think they ever found him. He'd like talking
about it that much, But I think it was either
from that window there the first floor, or it was
from the third floor. Pretty sure it was from the
first floor. But I think he did feel some sort
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of weight of responsibility of, you know, give accurate information
to help solve this crime. You know, I mean he
was young and I think it was only twelve.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
The Zodiacs moved to San Francisco meant there would be
a lot of changes in the investigation. One of them
was that that was the first time he had struck
in a major metropolitan city, which meant that a major
metropolitan police force would be assigned to the case. Two
of the investigators assigned to the case who arrived at
the crime scene that night were David Toski and Bill Armstrong.
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Dave Tosky was sort of known as a celebrity cop.
He liked media attention. People who lived in San Francisco
were accustomed seeing his name in the newspaper or his
face on television, and when the Zodiac crime started, that
just naturally increased because now he was in charge of
the hunt for the biggest serial killer in California history.
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He was identified primarily as the Zodiac in the movie
Bullet Steve McQueen supposedly based a lot of his character
on Dave Toski, including the way he held his gun
in things like that, and there's also stories that the
movie Dirty Harry was inspired by the battle between Tosky
and the Zodiac.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Is a mad Matt Loose give him the message at
the chronicle.
Speaker 10 (23:20):
We'll agree to pay.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
We'll tell him we need time to get the money together.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Wait a minute, do I.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Get this right?
Speaker 9 (23:26):
You're gonna play this creeps game.
Speaker 13 (23:28):
It'll get us some more breathing space, so I might.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Get somebody killed.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Tosky and Armstrong investigated the scene and at a certain
point those fingerprints were discovered. There was also a pair
of gloves that were found underneath one of the seats,
I believe, as well as the shell casing that appeared
to have come from the Zodiac's weapon.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
The bullet came from a nine millimeter pistol, but it
was not the same nine millimeter used to kill Darlene Ferron.
Tosky and Armstrong would also discover that the gloves belonged
to a pre vis customer of Paul Stein.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
All this evidence was gathered, the witness statements were taken,
and a composite sketch of the killer was drawn up
with the assistance of these witnesses. Tosky and Armstrong at
the time thought that they were investigating what you might
call a routine robbery. It was not unusual for cab
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drivers to be robbed or even shot in San Francisco,
So when they were investigating those first two days, they
thought they were looking for a career criminal, somebody with
a record who probably committed this kind of crime before,
and someone who could be readily identified by searching through
the pool of usual suspects.
Speaker 10 (24:43):
They had no.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Idea that in two days the San Francisco Chronicle would
receive a letter from the Zodiac taking responsibility for the
murder of Paul Stein, which also included a piece of
paul Stein's shirt to remove any and all doubt that
he was actually responsible.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Since the release of the latest letter yesterday, our office
has received additional phone calls from persons in the Bay
Area who feel that they can be helpful in the
apprehension of the Zodiac suspect.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
This is Inspector David Toski speaking with KPIX News in
nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
My partner, Inspector Armstrong, and I who were handling the case.
Have received several phone calls this morning and this afternoon
on various informants who have given us some information as
to names, addresses, and locations that we have checked out
and are checking out at the present time. It's generally
stirred up quite a bit of interest.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
This of course changed the entire investigation. Tosky and Armstrong
thought it was a simple crime, and now they were
involved in what was possibly the most explosive manhunt in
California history. So obviously moving to San Francisco, changing his
victim preference, acting out much different kind of crime, sending
scraps of victim's clothing in the mail. This was all
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a new level, a next step for the Zodiac. It
was much more terrifying than where it was before. But
also it sort of began this feud between the San
Francisco Police Department and the Zodiac. Part of that seems
to have come from the fact that the Zodiac did
escape the police that night, and if he did remain
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in the area and watch them searching for him and
watching them fail, that must have done a lot for
his ego. He must have felt very powerful, He must
have felt invincible.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But This was just the beginning of the San Francisco chapter.
In the last part of the Bloody Shirt letter, Zodiac
had one more threat.
Speaker 12 (26:45):
School children make nice targets. I think I shall wipe
out a school by some morning, Just shoot out the
front tire and then pick off the kiddies as they
come bouncing out.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Signed Zodiac, school children are nice targets. I shall wipe
out his school bus some morning, shoot out the tires
and then pick off the kiddies as they come bounding out.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
That was the threat of the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Now, every day police cars follow the buses, which would
be likely targets. Officers aren't with shotguns take the threat seriously.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I think that was the thing that ratcheted up the
paranoia in the fear around this Zodiac guy, who by
now was a mythical figure of a culking guy walking
around the streets who could not just kill a couple
of kids at a lover's lane, but anybody could be
the next victim.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
Next time on Monster the Zodiac Killer, we have a.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Number of playing blows. Officers following buses in the morning
and in the evening.
Speaker 15 (28:15):
I remember as a kid having a cop car followed
behind us, and I remember that because as kids we
would all kind of run to the back of the
bus and wave at the cop.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
The media frenzy that resulted, predictable as it was, was
a huge part of the story itself. So in some
ways we start to see the media become a player
in the stories that they're covering.
Speaker 15 (28:37):
It is just a sense of not knowing what would
happen next, especially after these letters start coming threatening to
sort of escalate the violence, and people not knowing whether
that was serious or not.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
You're not afraid, No, no, You're afraid.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
That wasn't enough for him. Then he moved on to
the next level, where he started threatening to blow up
a school bus full of children.
Speaker 12 (29:05):
The death Machine is already made.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
After the attack at Lake barri Essa, the Zodiac fell silent.
There were no more letters, there were no more phone
calls after that initial phone call to the Napa Police Department,
and we don't know why. But two weeks after the
attack at Lake Barriessa, the Zodiac resurfaced in San Francisco.
And while he had already sent a letter to the
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San Francisco Chronicle establishing himself as a link to San Francisco,
he hadn't committed any crimes there that we knew.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of in the newsroom, our ears perked up, obvious a
little more about this kind of case. Now you've got
three cases and the one guy claiming responsibility and providing
in some of these letters details and only the police
would know, so they'd verify that he was at the
actual scene. But it wasn't until October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine,
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when Zodiac first struck in San Francisco, that I think
the Chronicle went into full on serial killer mode if
you will. For a couple of reasons. One is in
this case, Zodiac hailed a taxi in front of the
theater in the current theater on Geary Street in San Francisco.
He asked to be taken out to a fairly upscale
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neighborhood called Presidio Heights, where he instructed the driver to stop,
and once he stopped, he asked them to go another
block for reasons no one's ever figured out, And when
they got to the next corner, Zodiac shot the guy
in the back of the head and killed him. This
cab driver's name was Paul Stein.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
A man in a mask robbed, tied, and stabbed him,
leaving them for day.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Subject stated, I want to report a murder, no a
double murder.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
I did it a man who wore a medieval style
executioners hood, carried a knife and gun and intended to
use them.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
They haven't arrested me because they can't prove a thing.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm not the damn Zodiac.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
Who is the Zodiac and where is he from?
Speaker 8 (02:24):
iHeartRadio, Housetuff Works and Tenderfoot TV.
Speaker 9 (02:28):
This is monster, the Zodiac killer.
Speaker 8 (02:33):
Taxi drivers are the unspoken experts of their cities, the
unofficial tour guides per se. In a big city like
San Francisco, taxi drivers are ubiquitous, They're everywhere, They're a constant,
a given, and because of this, they were also an
easy target for the Zodiac.
Speaker 10 (02:52):
Think about it.
Speaker 8 (02:53):
There are a few people more trusting of strangers than
a taxi driver. They pull over, pick you up, drop
you off. You never even see their face for exchange names.
There's intimacy here. You are sharing this small place, but
the stranger. Do you really know who's in the car
with you. The Zodiac didn't stalk his victims for weeks.
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He chose them at random because of their environment, their unawareness,
and in some cases, their occupation. What's more frightening than
someone who prays on the unexpecting.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
San Francisco is directly linked to the Zodiac killer. There's
no escaping it, which is ironic because it's not where
he started. He started in Valleo and Benetia.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
This is Zodiac expert Michael Butterfield.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And maybe that was something that he wanted. Maybe he
lived in San Francisco. Maybe it was easier to write
to the San Francisco Chronicle and make sure that he
could read that newspaper than it was to drive all
the way to wherever he had to go to get
a Valeo Times Harold, I don't know. One thing that
we know for sure is that the Zodiac wanted the
attention that.
Speaker 10 (03:56):
He wanted when he wanted it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Now. What he wanted in July of nineteen sixty nine
was for as many people to see this as possible,
to get as much attention as possible, and to cement
his image as a real threat. And it worked. And
then after that, I think one of the things that
he started to realize was I'm going to do better
if I keep going to the Chronicle, then if I
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keep going to another newspaper. And there's some evidence that
the Vleo Times Herald was not as willing to keep
playing this game with him. Maybe he sensed that maybe
when he was looking at their coverage he didn't like
what he saw. So after that he started focusing on
the San Francisco Chronicle and they were happy to play alone.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
Well, the key papers in San Francisco were the Chronicle
and the Examiner. They were very different. At the end
of the day, the Examiner was a kind of symbolic power,
but it was losing its circulation war with the San
Francisco Chronicle.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Here's Peter Richardson, historian and lecturer at San Francisco State University.
Speaker 11 (05:00):
Was never a gray paper journalistically, but they had some
very interesting columnists. It was kind of a fun read
for that reason. But the city had never really distinguished
itself journalistically. It didn't have a paper during this time
like the Los Angeles Times, much less the Washington Post
or the New York Times. They were widely read, but
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they were not any great shakes.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Despite this, the San Francisco Chronicle had the highest readership
in the Bay Area, and Peter Richardson says that this
was the only thing that mattered to the Zodiac.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
The Psychotic killer has already murdered five, one at a
lover's lane near a lake just north of San Francisco,
three others in nearby Vallejo, the latest a taxi driver
in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
He apparently was in the area of Mason and Geary
in San Francisco and hailed a cab, and that cab
was being driven by Paul Stein, who was a student
and a husband. The plan was to direct Paul Stein
to the intersection of Washington and Maple, which was in
an upscale neighborhood of San Francisco known as Presidio Heights. So,
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from what we know, paul Stein took the passenger to
that location. What we don't know is why the cab
eventually ended up one block further west at Washington and
Cherry Streets. Some kids were in a house across the
street and they heard some kind of commotion and looked
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out the window and they saw a man in the
front seat doing something to the cab driver. They thought
that he was stabbing him or doing something to him,
and they watched as the man handled the driver, and
then they called the police. And apparently while they were
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talking to the police dispatcher and they were describing what
they were seeing, something went wrong. Instead of describing the
killer as a white man, the radio dispatch to responding
officers described the killer as a black man. The witnesses
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watched as the man finished whatever he was doing in
the cab. He got out of the cab. He walked
around to the driver's side and appeared to have some
sort of light colored cloth in his hand as he
was wiping down the cab or doing something on the
driver's side of the cab. He then turned and walked
north up Cherry Street.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Two days later, the Chronicle received a letter and only
the Chronicle from the Zodiac.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
This is former reporter Duffy Jennings. He was there when
the San Francisco Chronicle received this now infamous letter.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
As the woman opened it in the editorial department, a
piece of bloody shirt fell out with the letter.
Speaker 12 (08:05):
This is the Zodiac speaking, I am the murderer of
the taxi driver over by Washington Street and Maple Street
last night. To prove this, here's a bloodstained piece of
his shirt. I am the same man who did in
the people in the North Bay.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Area, so they knew that this was Paul Stein's killer.
And now he's again taunting police to catch him. And
the fear factor went way up, and now he's in
San Francisco.
Speaker 13 (08:38):
Captain Lee at this particular time is satisfied that the
individual who sent this piece of shut in and the
letter to the Chronicle was in fact connected with the
is the person who killed the cab driver. Let me
put it that way. The contents of the letters, the
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language of the in other cases are very similar to
the language and the form of the letters in this
particular case, and because of the fact that the shirt
matches the shirt as I understand that we would have
to assume that there is validity to the claim of
this individual.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That was San Francisco Police Chief Thomas Cahill. The SFPD
confirmed the killer was in fact the Zodiac. They knew
this because the striped cloth found in the letter matched
the striped shirt paul Stein was wearing, and when investigators
checked paul Stein's shirt, they found that a rectangular portion
was missing. With the San Francisco Police department involved, this
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crime now crossed over multiple cities and jurisdictions, and those
individual departments weren't necessarily working together. In Napa, where the
last murder occurred at Lake Barriessa, sheriffs had made their
own assessment of the murder in San Francisco.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
But pulmonary tests of certain evidence such as fingerprint and
handwriting have been made to where we are certain that
the man that we're looking for is the same man
responsible for the killing of the cab driver in San Francisco,
plus the shooting deaths in Solano County. In Leo Well, Sheriff,
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what type of person is this man?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
We have reason to believe that he's a maniac. However,
he is a cunning man. He knows just exactly what
moves he's going to make. He knows where he's going
to be from one minute to the next. He knows
where he's going to start and when he's going to end.
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He plans these things out, and he knows just exactly
how this thing is going to turn out. We think
it appears to us that he is killing just for
the thrill of killing.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So how did the killer avoid the police in Presidio Heights?
In the Bloody Shirt letter, the Zodiac gave his own
account of what happened that night.
Speaker 12 (11:09):
The San Francisco police could have called me last night
if they had searched the park properly. Instead of holding
road races with their motorcycles seen who could make the
most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their
cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come
out of cover.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But there was more. In another letter sent just a
few weeks later, Zodiac gave even more details about what
happened after Paulstein's murder.
Speaker 12 (11:37):
If you wonder why I was wiping the cab down,
I was leaving fake clues for the police to run
all over town with. As one might say, I gave
the cops some busy work to do to keep them happy.
I enjoy needling the blue pigs. Hey, blue pig, I
was in the park. You were using fire trucks to
mass the sound of your cruising prowl cars. The dogs
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now came within two blocks of me, and they were
to the west, and there was only two groups of
parking about ten minutes apart. And then the motorcycles went
by about one hundred and fifty feet away, going from
south to northwest ps two cops pulled a goof About
three minutes after I left the cab, I was walking
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down the hill to the park when this cop car
pulled up and one of them called me over and
asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in
the last five to ten minutes, and I said, yes,
there was this man who was running by waving the gun.
And the cops peeled rubber and went around the corner
as I directed them, and I disappeared into the park
a block and a half away, never to be seen again.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Paul Stein, unlike the other victims, became a victim because
of his job. That seems very unfair to me, and
I know that's an odd way to describe it, but
you know, he didn't have a chance, He had no idea.
He was just doing what he thought he was supposed
to do. He thought he would take this person where
he wants to go and go on his way. He
didn't know that the passenger he picked up had other plans.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
This is Michael Butterfield again. He's interviewed numerous people who
were on the scene that night.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And while the kids were watching, the first responding police
officers arrived, and that was Frank Peta and Armand Pealasetti.
And Armand Pealasetti told me in several interviews I did
with him over the years that he arrived at the scene,
he saw the kids coming out of the house. He
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directed them to stand back. He asked his partner to
watch the area to guard the crime scene, and he
approached the cab with a flashlight. He said that when
he got near the driver's side, he could see some
sort of impression on the outer door that appeared to
be blood and maybe fingerprints. He then looked inside the
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cab and he saw Paulstein's body laying in the driver's seat,
and according to armand Pallasetti, it was obvious that he
was dead. Palasetti then walked north on Cherry Street in
pursuit of the killer, and at some point he encountered
two other police officers who were responding officers, Don Falk
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and Eric Zelm's. At some point the description of the
killer was corrected to that.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
Of a white man.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
According to the new witness description, the killer was a
white male in his early forties. He was about five
to eight with a heavy build. He had reddish blonde
hair a crew cut, and he wore eyeglasses and a
dark parka jacket.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And when that happened, apparently Don Falk realized that that
was a man that they had driven past on their
way to the crime scene. So Falc and his partner
turned around and went back and went looking for the killer.
They did not find him. Palasetti kept walking and didn't
see anything. By that time, then the fire department and
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other investigators were arriving. They did find some fingerprints in
that area where armand Palasetti thought he had seen some fingerprints,
and those prints were found in the exact area where
the killer was last seen making contact with the cab.
According to the witnesses, no one touched that cab in
between the time that the killer walked away and armand
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Pallasetti arrived, So that's a strong indication that those fingerprints
did belong.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
To the killer.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I had a lot of questions about the murder of
Paul Stein. Why would the killer change his mo so
dramatically Again, the Zodiac had previously focused on young couples
in isolated areas, and his weapon of choice was a handgun.
He escalated his attacks when he wore a costume, then
tied up and stabbed the couple at Lake Barriessa. This
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time he went back to his regular clothes and back
to his gun to kill a lone male cab driver.
It just didn't make sense to me to better understand.
I first wanted to retrace the Zodiac steps that night
to take the same route in the back of a taxi.
So I started where he did, near the intersection of
Mason and Geary in the Tenderloin district. There's a theater
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nearby that the Zodiac may have gone into.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
My name is Oliver Sutton. I am the head of
security for the Act Theater for more than twenty yefs.
I've known this area virtually all the time I've lived
in South Francisco. The Zodiac, the first murderer could kick
place in San Francisco. A patriot came out of the
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Act Theater. At that time, it was the Geary and
the Act American Conservatory Theater. I don't know what show
was going on at that time, but he could have
got gone into the lobby, used that as a backdrop,
or he could actually been a patron of basict that
came out, had a taxi and murdered him. I'll take
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you into the lobby, turned the lights on and give
you a chance to see where you know where it
took place.
Speaker 14 (17:33):
This h the lights on, so uh, the the killer,
he would have come through these double doors.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's they filmed it that way for the movie. That
he walked out of these double doors and held down
a yellow taxi, a yellow cabby. Being a hat in
any city is tough because you don't know who's getting
in the back seat of the car. According to the story,
the victim was not chosen. It was just a random
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crime of opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
From there, the killer called the taxi and was picked
up by Paul Stein. So I called the cab two.
I asked to be taken to the corner of Washington
and Cherry Street in the Presidio Heights neighborhood. It was
about three miles west, fifteen minutes by car, and oddly enough,
my cab driver's name was also Paul sat.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Diane Feinstein.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Whinstein yea, she lives. Paul and I got to talking.
He had heard about the Zodiac case but didn't know
much of the details. He asked me how many people
the Zodiac had killed. I told him how many of
the police had confirmed. He wasn't impressed. He's swaw time,
I know, and she's swawed potatoes. He saw a ton
of people. The reason why it's it's such a big
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deal is because he was constantly writing to the chronicles.
Speaker 14 (18:53):
Well call, he was one of the first one.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean, he was one of the first, and he
was in the paper.
Speaker 12 (19:01):
So when he did something, he may should that the
police knew it was him that did it.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Right, Yeah, he would send You want him to really claim.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I did that one?
Speaker 9 (19:11):
I don't want nobody has to try.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
To claim that as the glory.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
This is me.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I did it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, here's where it gets crazy, though, man, because he
like in the beginning, like with that one Paul Stein. Yeah,
he sent a piece of the guy's cloth with his
blood on it in his letter to the chronicle, right,
and it was a cab driver. He was a cab driver, yeah,
named Paul.
Speaker 12 (19:29):
He gets I'm a gun spooky man.
Speaker 10 (19:34):
I got bumped.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I got goose bumps onthing, you know how related to
the Zodiac. When we arrived on the scene of paul
Stein's final moments, I got out and just listened for
a while. A few cars drove by, but there wasn't much,
if any, foot traffic. It felt like a different universe
from the bustling city that was just a few blocks away.
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That's when I realized the Zodiac sought out these types locations, quiet,
unassuming areas, places that seem almost peaceful, miles away from
anywhere you might consider dangerous. A country road, a public park,
and a popular vacation spot on a lake, in this case,
a beautiful, upscale neighborhood in San Francisco. It maybe wonder
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did Zodiac want to strip away the feeling of safety
from these places? And as I'm standing there, lost in
this thought. I see a man walking towards me. He's
carrying some takeout. He asked me what I was doing,
and we got to talking. The man requested we not
use his name, and we altered his voice for privacy,
because it turns out he was related to someone who
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witnessed Paul Stein's murder.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
So it was my father, who was actually since past.
He was he was just a kid. He was a kid,
and he was just playing downstairs and he just you know,
looked outside the window and saw yellow cab and it's
being kids there, nosy, and they looked in and I
guess from my memory of what I was told, saw
someone slouch over in the car who, you know, come
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to find it was a culprit of the zodiac. And
you call the police and his family or his mom
and dad were down the street at a party, and
you know, they called me. It was crazy. You know,
I think someone just got murdered. Police came and that's
what they came to find. And he's been hassled. You
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don't buy every investigator since trying to solve it. But
I don't think they ever found him. He'd like talking
about it that much, But I think it was either
from that window there the first floor, or it was
from the third floor. Pretty sure it was from the
first floor. But I think he did feel some sort
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of weight of responsibility of, you know, give accurate information
to help solve this crime. You know, I mean he
was young and I think it was only twelve.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
The Zodiacs moved to San Francisco meant there would be
a lot of changes in the investigation. One of them
was that that was the first time he had struck
in a major metropolitan city, which meant that a major
metropolitan police force would be assigned to the case. Two
of the investigators assigned to the case who arrived at
the crime scene that night were David Toski and Bill Armstrong.
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Dave Tosky was sort of known as a celebrity cop.
He liked media attention. People who lived in San Francisco
were accustomed seeing his name in the newspaper or his
face on television, and when the Zodiac crime started, that
just naturally increased because now he was in charge of
the hunt for the biggest serial killer in California history.
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He was identified primarily as the Zodiac in the movie
Bullet Steve McQueen supposedly based a lot of his character
on Dave Toski, including the way he held his gun
in things like that, and there's also stories that the
movie Dirty Harry was inspired by the battle between Tosky
and the Zodiac.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Is a mad Matt Loose give him the message at
the chronicle.
Speaker 10 (23:20):
We'll agree to pay.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
We'll tell him we need time to get the money together.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Wait a minute, do I.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Get this right?
Speaker 9 (23:26):
You're gonna play this creeps game.
Speaker 13 (23:28):
It'll get us some more breathing space, so I might.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Get somebody killed.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Tosky and Armstrong investigated the scene and at a certain
point those fingerprints were discovered. There was also a pair
of gloves that were found underneath one of the seats,
I believe, as well as the shell casing that appeared
to have come from the Zodiac's weapon.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
The bullet came from a nine millimeter pistol, but it
was not the same nine millimeter used to kill Darlene Ferron.
Tosky and Armstrong would also discover that the gloves belonged
to a pre vis customer of Paul Stein.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
All this evidence was gathered, the witness statements were taken,
and a composite sketch of the killer was drawn up
with the assistance of these witnesses. Tosky and Armstrong at
the time thought that they were investigating what you might
call a routine robbery. It was not unusual for cab
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drivers to be robbed or even shot in San Francisco,
So when they were investigating those first two days, they
thought they were looking for a career criminal, somebody with
a record who probably committed this kind of crime before,
and someone who could be readily identified by searching through
the pool of usual suspects.
Speaker 10 (24:43):
They had no.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Idea that in two days the San Francisco Chronicle would
receive a letter from the Zodiac taking responsibility for the
murder of Paul Stein, which also included a piece of
paul Stein's shirt to remove any and all doubt that
he was actually responsible.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Since the release of the latest letter yesterday, our office
has received additional phone calls from persons in the Bay
Area who feel that they can be helpful in the
apprehension of the Zodiac suspect.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
This is Inspector David Toski speaking with KPIX News in
nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
My partner, Inspector Armstrong, and I who were handling the case.
Have received several phone calls this morning and this afternoon
on various informants who have given us some information as
to names, addresses, and locations that we have checked out
and are checking out at the present time. It's generally
stirred up quite a bit of interest.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
This of course changed the entire investigation. Tosky and Armstrong
thought it was a simple crime, and now they were
involved in what was possibly the most explosive manhunt in
California history. So obviously moving to San Francisco, changing his
victim preference, acting out much different kind of crime, sending
scraps of victim's clothing in the mail. This was all
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a new level, a next step for the Zodiac. It
was much more terrifying than where it was before. But
also it sort of began this feud between the San
Francisco Police Department and the Zodiac. Part of that seems
to have come from the fact that the Zodiac did
escape the police that night, and if he did remain
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in the area and watch them searching for him and
watching them fail, that must have done a lot for
his ego. He must have felt very powerful, He must
have felt invincible.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But This was just the beginning of the San Francisco chapter.
In the last part of the Bloody Shirt letter, Zodiac
had one more threat.
Speaker 12 (26:45):
School children make nice targets. I think I shall wipe
out a school by some morning, Just shoot out the
front tire and then pick off the kiddies as they
come bouncing out.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Signed Zodiac, school children are nice targets. I shall wipe
out his school bus some morning, shoot out the tires
and then pick off the kiddies as they come bounding out.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
That was the threat of the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Now, every day police cars follow the buses, which would
be likely targets. Officers aren't with shotguns take the threat seriously.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I think that was the thing that ratcheted up the
paranoia in the fear around this Zodiac guy, who by
now was a mythical figure of a culking guy walking
around the streets who could not just kill a couple
of kids at a lover's lane, but anybody could be
the next victim.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
Next time on Monster the Zodiac Killer, we have a.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Number of playing blows. Officers following buses in the morning
and in the evening.
Speaker 15 (28:15):
I remember as a kid having a cop car followed
behind us, and I remember that because as kids we
would all kind of run to the back of the
bus and wave at the cop.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
The media frenzy that resulted, predictable as it was, was
a huge part of the story itself. So in some
ways we start to see the media become a player
in the stories that they're covering.
Speaker 15 (28:37):
It is just a sense of not knowing what would
happen next, especially after these letters start coming threatening to
sort of escalate the violence, and people not knowing whether
that was serious or not.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
You're not afraid, No, no, You're afraid.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
That wasn't enough for him. Then he moved on to
the next level, where he started threatening to blow up
a school bus full of children.
Speaker 12 (29:05):
The death Machine is already made.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
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