Live From SF Sketchfest: Tony Hale on Punch-Drunk Love

Chuck's first LIVE Movie Crush was in January at SF Sketchfest. He sat onstage in front of some die-hard movie fans to talk to Veep's Tony Hale about his movie crush, P.T. Anderson's Punch-Drunk Love.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey everybody, and welcome to movie Crush. Chuck here in
the studio pont City Market with Noel on my left.
If you want a picture it in your mind's eye
sort of Dagna left Kitty Corner as we call it
here in the South. Uh. This week on the show,
it was well, it was my first live movie Crush.
And the wonderful and lovely Janet Varney, who was the

(00:45):
pilot episode guest, is my good pal and she curates
and co created Sketch Fest in San Francisco, the formimoney
best comedy festival in the land every January, and she said, hey,
would you like to do your first movie Crush live?
And of course I was way into it, but a
little nervous, just you know, because it was very early
on the show to see if I could even sell

(01:05):
tickets and we're the punch line in San Francisco, and
ended up getting about a hundred people that came out,
and for the size of that room, it felt great.
And I really really want to thank everyone who came
out to see this and support me, uh in my
first live endeavor. Means so so much to me. Uh
to see all the smiling faces out there and I

(01:26):
talked to everyone before and after. It was just a
lot of fun. And Tony Hale, like I said before,
is legit the nicest guy I've ever met in the
entertainment industry. We we rode there from the hotel together
in the car and hung out backstage and had a
lot of weird connections, some of which uh, I think
we talked about in the show. But um, Tony is

(01:47):
just a great, great guy and it was so lovely
to have him on in his movie crush was Punch
Drunk Love from P. T. Anderson just a great, great movie.
And here we go without any further ado with Tony Hale.
Lie have been San Francisco on Punch Drunk Love. Hi, everybody,

(02:13):
this is great. I was so nervous that no one
was gonna come because three weeks ago nobody was gonna
come and sold like twelve tickets and uh that was
super embarrassing. But hugely appreciate this as everyone knows. It's
a new solo show for me. Outside of stuff you
should know? Um, does everyone here listen to stuff you
should know? Is there literally one person here who does not? All? Right? Great?

(02:41):
Is anyone coming to the stuff you should know? Tonight. Oh,
is anyone also going to the Baskets panel that I'm
moderating now, Okay, Baskets is a TV show with Zach
Galif nackets great show, you should watch it. I just
wondered if anyone's literally going to see me do three
things today. I was gonna apologize. Um, And speaking of apologizing,

(03:04):
everyone knows that I have tooth issues and I'm missing
this one. So you here on the front row. Uh,
there might be air coming your way from the right
hand side, but thanks for coming and right now, we
might as well get to it. And from Veep and
arrested development and a host of other things. The Great
Mr Tony Hale Harry is. Let's realize how weird it

(03:34):
is to say the great Mr. Hello. I like it.
Let me take out my jacket, let's get into it,
all right, I'm taking off my shirt then, yeah, Hello,
how are you good? I feel like we should be
doing like a ventriloquism that really Yeah, like we should

(03:55):
have dummies on our laps right now. So Tony, all right,
I'm gonna put this away forright now. And by the way,
we're gonna finish up with a little Q and A
at the end, and there's a microphone there. But it's
such a small venue you can just bark out questions
if you want after you're called on. This is such
a nice venue, isn't it. It's like the prototypical like

(04:17):
stand up venue you'd think of anyways, Imagine if this
is the kind of wisdom you're gonna get. Imagine if
you're tall. Uh, this would be kind of interesting, that's true.
Have you ever done power of this? Did you ever
do stand up that? I've done sketch comedy, but stand

(04:37):
up I just think is the most it would seem
like the most naked feeling and just kind of right
right now. Why would anyone want to do that? But
it's like Jim Gaffrick and I'm a huge fan of
his stuff, and just like the amount of time he
works on bits and I have a huge admiration for it. Yeah,

(04:57):
well maybe one day, no no, no, All you do
is get on hit TV shows, But you might as
well trade that all into I can see that. It's
like a rush to it, Like people get that kind
of and finding it, but they gotta workshop it. And
just when people you know, boothe them and all that
kind of stuff, they just kind of get that thick skin.
I don't have that thick skin at all, just like,

(05:19):
why don't you like me? Like me? Like me? Like me.
So we were chatting backstage and get didn't know each
other a little bit, and um, so I know a
few of the things that I'm going to ask you.
So don't think that I have amnesia or that I
wasn't listening. But this is from the benefit of the audience.
But on Movie Crush, we like to start out a
little bit with some of your past. I know you

(05:41):
are a deep encyclopedic film nut. No I'm kidding, No,
I'm not. No, I know hit backstage, he was saying,
by the way, like I'm not I hope this isn't
like a quiz. This isn't it. But it's a part
of it is my wife makes fun of me, which
is the great basis of a marriage. But because I

(06:02):
have a hard time disengaging from films, I don't know
if anybody else is like that. If it's too emotional,
if it's too much, I just can't separate it. And
she's like, you're an actor, Like that doesn't make sense.
But there's just something And I was telling somebody Friday
night that even like, remember what we were this is
not a film. We were watching the office and I
have sometimes I have to go to the kitchen because

(06:24):
it's too uncomfortable, and in my head, I'm like, just
fire the guy. Just get him, just like, just get
him out. Um. And it's like even like Disney Mill
movies are really intense, like Tangled, you know, it's like
she was abducted from her parents and then she's put
in solitary confinement with a witch. You know, it's like

(06:47):
and then like Frozen there they die in a boat accident,
and then the child is left in her room, in
her frozen room forever, and that she hasn't seen her
sister on the other side of the room, and she's like,
will you have built a snowman with me? And I'm
just like I can't. I'm it's just too much. And
not to mention, that's like a cartoon, you know, so
if it gets too heavy, I just like, oh, and

(07:09):
don't even bring horror. I don't see why anybody wants
to watch parmal activity ship. Uh No, I'm not playing
with that. I have a hard time to turn off
the lights just in general, yeah, like, let's let's make
a movie that will literally not make you want to
sleep in your own bed. Yeah. Oh, and like it's
gonna get started Nightmare on Elm Street. Come on, I

(07:33):
thought those hands were coming off from that bed and
just ripped me open. I'm your girlfriend now, nag. And
that's just so awful and smart at the same time
that you think you can get to people's dreams. What
a tactic. You know you're terrified to f and go
to sleep. Man, I don't want to say you can

(07:53):
bleep that. Well, we were chatting that stage. My wife
is here. Everyone probably knows who Emily is. Um, she
will not. And now that we have a kid, we
kind of have to watch some of these movies. But
before we had Ruby, she was like, I'm not watching
any of those animated films because she was ruined by
literally by bandy when she was a kid who wouldn't

(08:15):
be Yeah, and she's like, not kid, do it? I
think she saw up because that was really good. I
think the reaction first minute that movie is like an
old man being float away by balloons. Who would have
watched that? But you were we were talking my inside
out and that's not I'll watch yeah, because that's one

(08:35):
of my top five just films that I love because
it's like the fact that you know, when you embrace
sadness and it goes with happiness, you know, it's the
best and it's so smart. Pixar has got that formula. Man. Yeah.
We we took Ruby to her first movie ever. Actually,
we once saw Coco. Oh stunning. Have you guys seen that?

(08:56):
Maybe the best looking movie I've ever seen in my life?
Just fun full, beautiful, And Emily was worried. She's like, well,
she's just gonna want to leave and she's not gonna
sit still. And I was like, well, she doesn't want
to leave, Let's give it a shot. For ninety percent
of that movie it was this oh yeah, and the
other ten percent she wanted to sit on the stairs. Sure, great,

(09:17):
which Emily went out with her and that was great,
and then she came back. Do they still have those
those moms though, when you can bring your baby to
movies where it's like adults. Remember there was like movies
where you could bring your child like adult movies and
stuff like not not not Mr. Hollywood, Uh sorry, um no,
like not. I'm from Atlanta. I'm just a simple guy.

(09:42):
You know, like if it was like I don't know,
like Independence Day or something like that, but you could
you could it was like during the day and you
could bring your child. I don't know anyways, do still exists,
I don't know, but I love the Independence Day was
the first thing that came to your It just seems
like a lot for a child. Okay, So you were
born though in Florida, correct or just grew up in Florida.

(10:04):
I grew up in Florida. Was born in West Point,
New York. My dad taught nuclear physics at West Point,
went to West Point and then taught nuclear physics and
birth to me on my wet um and then so
I was born there. And then when you traveled around,
it was an army bratt for a long time, gotch
and then in seventh grade we moved to Tallahassee, Florida,

(10:24):
and that's where I mainly grew up. Okay, so that
was you're kind of early formative high school years Tallahassee. Yes,
through graduation. Yeah, And I was very new to the South.
It was not a kid who was into sports and stuff,
so it was like it was a big adjustment. My
parents found this theater company called Young Actor's Theater, and
that's what it was. That I could be a spas

(10:45):
man and it was great. Uh So your parents were
into were they actors at all or no? But my
my my dad was not, My mom was, she was.
Neither one of them really were. But my grandfather, my
dad's dad, was an opera singer and he also, um,
he died very young, but he was. He would m
see those Earl, like those shows in New York, those

(11:06):
variety shows like Earl, Carol, Folly's and all this kind
of stuff. And randomly at some point when um, he
worked with Vincent Minnelli back in New York. And it's
cool that Liza Minellie and I on Arrest of Development
were like, oh yeah, boyfriend and girlfriend. That's one of
the more disturbing subplots. Disturbing, I say, amazing. I forgot

(11:30):
about that. Yeah, And so there was a weird like connection.
Yeah that's cool and how awesome, like is it for
you to have gotten these two like iconic characters on
two of the best comedies of the past you know, decade. Uh,
and yeah, it's pretty wild. The we were we've been
shooting the New season of Arrested and um, that's right right,

(11:54):
and um it's been we started in two thousand three,
it's been a fifteen years that we've been. This kind
of journey has gone on. Everyone just wants just as
messed up, but it's really fun. And Mitch Hurwitz, you know,
who created the show, is the guy what the grid,
the comic grid he has in his head of how

(12:15):
this all works out. Something happened this past season which
I can't share, but I was like what it was
such a surprise, and then he kind of played it
where he had known how the grid worked from years ago.
And I remember when my hand was betting off the
seat with a spiceal which is the typical storyline along
with Liizam and Alley, Um and um, I remember I

(12:36):
didn't know it was going to come off. And then
but you know, episodes before Buster had like a hand chair,
like all these symbols. I remember thinking, oh, that's cute.
He has a hand chair. That's sweet, and there's all
these hand references, you know, And then that came off
such a good show. And I've heard that he's just
some like crazy genius, but it's really one of those

(12:58):
things where you, because I think the word genius is
kind of thrown around a lot. I get it so much. No,
but it's like he really has that kind of touch
of genius where things just come out and you're like, whoa.
I remember one time I've told this story before, but
I uh, we were kind of talking about storylines, and
I remember I remember going up to him being like, yeah,

(13:18):
it wouldn't be funny if like Buster was like on
Dancing with the Stars or something like that. He's like, yeah,
but I think I'm gonna have a seal beat off
his hand. I was like, that's better. And even the
thing of like loose loose seal cut off his hand
and my mom's name is Lucile's just like put that together. Yeah.
It's just so all those little things that were really

(13:40):
and at the time we didn't have DVR or anything,
so you couldn't really rewind and so but it was
so dense what he created. Yeah, and well and now
beat speaking of DNS, when we were talking backstage, um
VP is, for my money, the best written show on TV.
And I was telling him that that's the show that
I will rewatch episodes sometimes because I easily missed thirty

(14:01):
percent of the jokes. It's uh, I mean, what's the
old rule with comedy, like how many jokes per page? Um,
I don't know. I can't remember so many jokes per page.
But I feel like exact guests you want a question,
I don't know. I feel like v pas like five times.
And they're just super smart. Yeah, thankfully, my character doesn't

(14:24):
really have to know about politics. He's just obsessed with
her like what her shade of lipstick is that day,
to know about hot tea, and very good with t
But you know, it's and it's fun playing a character
because it's you know, they're just so These writers work
so incredibly hard. But I love that I was described
my characters described as a bitchy mime this past season,

(14:46):
and it's true because I can't speak, so I just
kind of give these I like give all these crazy
facial experiences behind her and she it's weird because she
as the president at the time many whatever she was
in the journey. There's things she can't say. But like
my non verbal is like if she's talking to somebody
she doesn't like and she's like, oh, nice to meet
Jim in the back going Yeah, there's there's a lot

(15:08):
of Charlie Chaplin in that role. I feel like that,
you know, because you're you're right, there's a lot of um,
you know, stumbling into something you Oh, I gotta get
back out of here, and did she see me do this?
And and it's all non verbal. He has no identity
outside of her, you know. And he hates being taller
than her, like if he could cut off three feet

(15:30):
just to be below her. He's probably considered that. I
get the feeling, you know, and it's my posture has
gotten so bad because I'm I'm sorry, Gary so wants
to be below her? You know? Yeah? Uh is he
in love with her? Uh? Yeah? Well I mean it
feels like that, but it also feels like it's he
also wants her to be mommy and maybe that's yeah, okay, yeah,

(15:54):
all of it. There's probably some a lot of pictures
with strings Psychokiller though at his apartment. Dr Freud, Yeah,
that's what I thought. Um, what about movies when you
were growing up? Were you in theater as a kid,
Were you watching movies where you mainly wasn't? I mainly
did a lot of theater through this theater company, but

(16:14):
I was thinking about that because when you kind of
were talking about this and kind of growing up, and
the movie that I always remember is Goonies. For some reason,
sure Goonies. And I was kind of thinking about it
and looking it up and stuff and came out and
that's the time that I was a freshman in high school. Um,

(16:37):
I had really bad asthma. Like Mikey the lead, he
always cared around in Hailer, and I had never seen
it inhler film, and I was just like my people, yeah,
And it's just like there's just I just resonated with
and just the fact that, you know, our imagination as
a kid. You just the thought of like the treasure

(16:59):
map and finding the asure map behind the picture and
the attic and in that chase and you know, sloth
and just like all that kind of stuff and then
going down the slide and there's you know, the big
boat and you're just like, what what is that's a
fan of? That is like the fantasy playing a piano
that's made of bones. You know, It's like that wasn't

(17:19):
my fantasy, but it was just like all this I
don't know, it was just I that's one stuck with me.
Not many stuck with me. Yeah, but that one really
stuck with me. Yeah for sure. I mean I think
because I think we're almost the exact same age, right. Yeah.
Uh so to be did you graduate? So to be
thirteen fourteen years old? When The Goonies comes out, it's

(17:39):
very easy to go to that place where you are
a gooney because it was such a like great kids
adventure and had that great heart and spirit to it.
And I think I resonated to because Mikey had an
older that older brother, Josh Browley, and I had an
older brother who was like the jock. All the girls
were just like Mike, Mike, Mike, and I was I'm

(18:00):
remember in high school, I so desk when I got
to high school, I so desperately wanted people to know
that he was my brother. I would when he was
like with a group of girls are the popular kids.
I'd go up to him and be like, hey, Mike,
mom wanted me to buy this pencil this. Yeah. He
was just like shut up and then the not kidding.
The next day I'd come up and be like, did

(18:20):
you get your lunch from mom? I was just so
like seeing I'm with him, Uh you know how much
older is he he's four years older. Yeah, so that's
pretty significant. Yeah, my brothers three years older. And everyone
that listens stuff you should know knows the legend of
my brother. He's just sort of one of these super smart,
great looking, perfect hair, perfect everything, metabolism of a child

(18:44):
and uh, and then came me, and my parents are
very sweet and accepting of who I turned out to be.
But now my brother makes the joke now that he's
Frank stallone, Uh, because the successive stuff you should know.
He's like, yeah, I always knew it gonna flip one day. Anyway,
it's got the best. But yeah, it's kind of to
have the older brother that you idolize. Um. And we're

(19:07):
still so close. Yeah, we were not close growing up.
Was he were very very close now, but we're not close.
He was a big soccer player and I my dad
tried to coach soccer, and I would like mix sand
castles and the ground like the ball coming. I would
just be you know, and he was just like Anthony

(19:27):
and I was Anthony was like getting there and play
and I was just like I was, so there was
so much else to look at. But my brother was
like really into it and stuff. It's funny. I remember
I played church softball growing up as a good Southern
Baptist boy. Does sure I was raised a Southern Baptist. Well,
that's right. We we bonded over this big stage. Um.

(19:48):
And I remember very specifically there was this one kid
at my church who didn't live there long, but he
I looked out. At one point he was doing he
was doing that the Anthony Hale. He was literally on
his crying playing. You know, he's playing in the dirt
during the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, completely not watching.
And I remember the coaches yelling at him, and I was.

(20:08):
I was a sensitive kid, uh, and sensitive to other
and I'm still very sensitive to not only myself but
to everyone else's needs. And I remember feeling so bad
for that kid to be singled out like that and embarrassed.
But I don't think he cared actually know that I
look bad. Yeah. I I told this story Friday night
to it. This other thing, I remember being in a

(20:29):
swim meet, and uh, I was. It was during the
meet and my dad said, I just stopped. And it
was with a pool where you could stand up, and
I stood up and everybody was swimming around me, and
he said, my dad goes. Um. He looked at me
and was like, keep going, and he said, I had
this face that was like, why I'm exhausted. It's like

(20:50):
does everyone know you can stand? Yeah? I was like
I don't get this. It's like totally not deep. Right here,
everyone a question? Why are we here? That's funny? Uh?
We took our kids to our first little swim classy
other day and shars two and a half. Yeah, mine's twelve.

(21:12):
She's getting so swimming laps around your But I can't
believe how big big get. I know, I know it's
very sad. Uh So were you air conditioning just came on?
That feels good? Right? Yeah? Um? Any other siblings? I
have my older sister. I have an older sister, oldest sister,

(21:32):
Kim who's a social worker. And Raleigh, she's the best.
They're both just the best. Yeah. Isn't it fun when
you get to be adults? And I mean we all
got along when we were younger, but I know other
friends that like they didn't get along or they just
weren't close. Then you get to be adults and you realize, hey,
and it's just all growing up as just odd. It's
just odd and my brother and I were very did

(21:53):
My sister and I were more alike, but there was
such a big age gap, so we didn't really hang
out that much. But we're all very very close now,
now did they Are they obviously proud of you? But
are they like what has happened here? Where do they think?
Oh that makes sense? I don't know. I don't know
if it ever that makes sense. I mean it's it's
I think, yeah, they're very very proud, and I think

(22:13):
it's fun to like, like, my sister came to the
Emmy's this past fall with me, and it's like my
brother and his wife came two years ago. Just it's
just just stuff like it's fun to get to have
them experience it. You know, I love that stuff. That's cool.
Or maybe she came last year sometimes, but it was fun,
that's great. Uh. I mean, did you watch like family

(22:36):
movies together or what was your brother out, you know,
making out with chicks while you were Uh, I'm sure
we did. What you said. You have a bad memory,
so that I really have a very bad memory, and

(22:56):
it's but I was mean, it was just moving around
so much as a kid, I just checked out. But um,
but also I mean, I don't know if I was
really into them. I don't, I don't. I don't remember.
I remember going, I remember watching if we were doing
like Greece in the theater, we would watch Greece is
a Cast. I remember that and that, Yeah, I remember that. God, guys,

(23:19):
you are You're welcome. But even today, I mean, it's
I think the movies that I well, I guess we'll
get to this, but the ones that like say it,
like like Punch Drunk Glove is my favorite, is my

(23:42):
absolute favorite movie, and Lars and the Real Girl is
another one of my favorite movies tonight when it and
there's just like I don't know. There's there's certain ones
that I really really resonate with. I haven't seen Lady
Bird yet. I really want to see Lady but I
don't know. There's certain movies, but then other ones, I'm
just I don't know if I can If it's just
something about trauma, I don't know, I just can't watch it.

(24:03):
And then a good lord, kids in trauma, forget about it.
I can't do that. Yeah, why did it even make
those movies? Um? Yeah, later words terrific. You should see that.
But large and the real Goat's funny. He brought that
up that, Um, I was thinking about that movie the
other day and what uh. I don't know how that
was pitched to a studio or whatever. But I can't
imagine doll. Yeah, I can't imagine saying that out loud

(24:27):
and then saying, but it's really a sweet love story
about a guy and a blow up doll, that that's
really not at all creepy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's not.
It's a very sweet and it's such a powerful message
about false intimacy and true intimacy. And it's like he
was so isolated and had no idea of true innimacy,
and so he gets this doll because everybody needs connection,

(24:49):
everybody needs and it will either turn to false or true.
And because of his family and the community embracing this
doll and he saw this true intimacy. You then the
doll died, you know, And there was a beautiful scene
when the dollar he has to put the doll to
death or in the community is in his living room,
just knitting, just to be in his presence. It's just

(25:11):
like it's just a beautiful film. And somehow they even
they get get away with casting Ryan Godsling for God's sake,
and he did great as the least likely dude to
need a blow up doll. But you buy it from
the beginning. He really just like inhabited that character. I
would like ten dollar at we cast the most handsome

(25:34):
guy in Hollywood. Gillipsy directed Ionia, the same director. Oh really,
I haven't seen that yet. I heard it's really good.
I haven't seen it yet either. Spoiler. I think there's
an incident with a knee and a crowbar. I don't
know they shot that in Atlanta? Actually did they? Yeah?
I love Missa Alice and Jenny. Yeah, she's the best.

(25:56):
She was on Beep. She played the morning news anchor
in one of the episodes. She's so great. All right,
we'll get into Punch Drunk Love then, because that is
a movie, you do know, right? Yes? So has everyone
seen Punch Drunk Love? Did you do your homework? Okay? Good? Um?
Two thousand two. It's hard to believe it's that old.

(26:18):
It's hard to believe, you know. It makes me well
that in this Santa Claus Beard both make me feel old.
Uh p. T Anderson obviously wrote and directed, starring Adam
Sandler and what was his kind of first foray into drama. Yeah,
non Adam Sandler movies, which, um, I don't know if
you've seen the Meerwd Stories yet yet? Is it? Ben

(26:41):
still learn that too? Yeah, and it's so good and uh,
it's sort of has anyone else seen that Merwood Stories?
You should check that out. It's a new Noah Bomboch movie.
Very good. But his character in that Adam Sandler's sort
of feels like um, Barry Egan just years later. And
when I see that movie and I see this, I think,
why would Adam Sandler do anything else but play these

(27:04):
dramatic roles that he's great in. Isn't a film or
as it? I thought it was like a yeah, it's
just a movie. Um, and I know the answer is
cold Heart Cash. Yeah, that Adam Sandler movies provide. So
I get that. But I heard that he makes his
sets are very very family oriented. I've heard that too,
that he I think I might be speaking. I don't know,

(27:25):
but it's like he has like kid camps while the
crew is shooting that the cruise kids can go to.
That's great. I think that might be true. He shows
adult movies like children Angel stories. Um, now, are you
a big Paul Thomon Sanderson fan in general? Yeah? I was. Yeah, Yeah,
Magnolia I love as well. But there's something about punch

(27:48):
drunk love that just who just resonated. I just I
loved his Barry's character and just the way it was
so shot shot so beautiful that the Seven Sisters and
I mean it, we'll get into it, but I just,
I don't know, I really loved it. Yeah, it was. Um,
it was after his first movie, Hard eight, which was
a very you know, Pete Anderson is not a light guy,

(28:10):
so he makes that. He makes boogie nights, he makes
his I mean, he's sure, but like man, he pushed
some heart out in the story. Yeah, and all of
them and um, but after those long dnse kind of
heavy movies. I remember when this came out and he,
I think on the press tours for Magnolian, they said,
you know what's next, and he very famously would say, like,

(28:32):
I want to do an Adam Sandler comedy, and everyone laughed.
And what did he do? He went and he calls
it his Adam Sandler art House film, and he was
very serious about doing that, and he and he did
so too. The effect of a ninety seven minute long
um love story. It's just so so sweet and it
was such a I think of a breath of fresh
air for himself as a filmmaker. From what I've read,

(28:54):
it was something he really needed to do, uh, just
to sort of have something a lighter for change. I
just I when I saw it, I just have I
had never see anything like it, because now with there's
a lot of films that, you know, very quirky and
but at the time, it was just like I just
never had seen that. Um. The one of the there's
a moment in the movie that is just you know,

(29:17):
how he starts very isolated and and this love comes
into his life and he just transforms. And there's that
moment when he's sitting with Emily Watson. They're driving in
the car and then the bad the gang that Philip
Stemour Hoffmann sends to beat him up or something weird
gang from the Mattress Company, Yeah, the Mattress Company, and
he I guess I think they push him there's a

(29:39):
wreck or something, but he looks over at Emily Watson
has a cut on his face, and he takes a
crowbar and just goes off on them, and it was
and just seeing that transition from how he was so
meek even with his all of his sisters and his family,
and then just when that love came into his life,
he was just like, don't mess with her and just lost. Yeah,

(30:00):
that that's one of the great Yeah, stood up to
him to Philip s Moore Hofman in the end, He's like,
I have a love in my life that's so much
greater than you will ever know. Yeah, it's like I know.
Roger Ebert in his review was talking about how much
he loved the fact that you don't know what's going
to happen next in this movie, and that scene where

(30:21):
you can front Philip sy Moore Hoffman is so like,
you know, he's so angry in his life period because
he's smashing windows and sliding glass doors and he has
all this pent up rage and anxiety from who knows
what in his life aside from his vulgar, overbearing sisters. Um.
But I remember when he that moment the first time

(30:43):
I saw it, when he confronts philipino More Hoffman like
Philips Moore robbing scared of him. Yeah, And Philips Rond
was scary he was very scary and he tried to
outtough him, but he knew. And even when he goes
to walk out of the Mattress warehouse, he kind of says,
you know, Philipinore up and yells one more thing back,
and it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, you had that love

(31:05):
in him that was greater than anything of guys I'm
all preach. Uh. So let's talk for a second about
just the the color and the visual and the music
from John Brian. It was really like an exercise I
think in in in shadow and light and color and sound,

(31:28):
like more so than many movies I see. I also
in transitions there was like these bars of color that
would kind of go across. Have you heard of the
whole Superman theory with it? No? Um? Okay, so um um.
So this is my friend Darryl recently told me this

(31:49):
and um and the whole because I've kind of looked
into it because I knew I was gonna be coming here,
and people talk about I don't know if this is
true because I'm clearly throwing out all out of theories tonight. Um,
but that it was a Superman version of if you
notice like little things where he's he's he's wearing he always.

(32:10):
He starts off always wearing a blue suit, blue tie.
Love comes into his life, Emily Watson, who only wears
red all the time, and then when she comes in,
he starts wearing a red tie. And then there's the
shot on the very end when he she goes, she
she covers him and she says, here we go like
um lois Lane and Superman didn't the end, and she's
kind of his cape and her initials are l l

(32:34):
um lee. I forgot the Emily Watson character lee uh
lena something. But it's out and there's all these kind
of like him, like there's a him flying jump. But
it's also in the beginning, the plungers were kind of
like this glass thing, which was very reminiscent to Superman's
home base. When these kind of all these crystals and
stuff and there's all there's just all of these like

(32:56):
theories of like it's his version of Superman. Yeah, and
it's like and when a strength, the supernatural strength that
he had where he would just started bashing the windows.
And then when he's when he's holding the glass plunger,
he says, these just cannot these cannot break and he
goes push and it breaks me. That's because if he
has the supernatural strength lack floop on. Man, that's pretty great.

(33:21):
Pretty great, right, I never even thought about that neither.
That's awesome. Uh. And then of course, you know, red, white,
and blue or the three primary colors he uses, and
and the seven Sisters, there's a lot of um green
of kind of of of kind of the whole kryptonite thing,
like there's a there's there's when there's there's a shot
of them in the house. Again, I hope Paul Thremers

(33:43):
Anderson is not listening to this and being like, nope,
Paul Anderson is not listening. It's like that's a negative um.
But there's this shot of all the three sisters and
there's like this big green square in the back. And
then when I forgot her name, Mary Wren, Mary Lynn,

(34:04):
she's wearing a green shirt. I mean, it's like this
whole kind of how toxic they were to him, you know,
but Emily Watson man the love and the strength, and
it was like, oh and then when the ha when
the car um came, the car wreck in the beginning,
that um that was reminiscent of him Superman as a

(34:24):
baby coming into the earth and then dropped and the
piano just dropped and it became this this home space
for him. Yeah, guys, Tony Hill blown mind, that's my friend,
This Darryl guy. I actually met him two days ago
at sketch Fest. Tony's new friend, Darryl blow in mind.

(34:45):
I'm not kidding. He was kind enough to drive me
from the airport and we were talking about this, yes,
and he's the sweetest guy. And he was like, well,
you've heard of the Superman theory and I was like no,
and then I went on this like research thing and
so it's all about Darryl. So little man who drove
me from the airport. Well, Tony, Darryll was a plant.
Oh it's funny. The guy who sketches as drivers that

(35:08):
kind of drive everyone to and fro and our driver
on the way here. Um, Doug was pretty great, very
nice and uh he's yeah, he's the stuff you should
know listener, and brought up the Burning Man episode and
the rest of the ride was about Burning Man. There's
a lot of Burning Man and he was talking about
he was very into which I really admire and stuff.

(35:29):
And then he says, Oh, my guess which did you
ever like to do this? And I was like, absolutely not.
It sounds you were being so sweet the whole ride,
just asking and then he literally said, oh you should go,
and you went, oh, I'd never do that. That sounds terrible.
It's just like there's just no co You wounded him
a bit, so I know, and I felt bad, but

(35:51):
I'm not ever doing that. It's just tremendous crowds. It
sounds dust, no water. It was just there any burners here,
I'm sure there are any? Apologie, yes, sorry, you can't
recognize anybody because everybody's in costume, large fire man burning
at He's talking about people dying every year. It sounds great.

(36:12):
I'm I'm signing up. No running water, no electricity, possible death.
Yeah sure, um alright, where were we here? Okay, So
the very first shot in this movie is in the
car flips and then just in a very p t
Anderson random way, that harmonium the pump organ has dropped off.
The guy gets out of there, and then it's pretty

(36:33):
clear that that harmonium literally is harmony for him, and
that there's many shots in the movie where he's either
hugging it, or he runs back into the office and
it's just kind of like has his arm on it.
It becomes this weird woobee in certain ways. Yeah, and
I think, I I what I love about that is
this is how I So I think why I resonated

(36:54):
with it is because you look at it and the
whole time you're confused, what's up with the piano being
dropped off? Who drop opped off the piano? What's happening?
But the fact that it was comforting. And as a
spiritual person I am. I embraced the unknown a lot,
right I. I there's many questions about faith, There's many
there's there's so many questions that we don't have answers

(37:17):
to so many things. You can't see God, you can't
but and yet I go to him and I and
I and and like even you look like an ocean.
It's so daunting, but like it's very peaceful at the
same time. So it's like there's something about that that
I really loved. Preach uh. And then the weird um

(37:37):
subplot of the healthy Choice putting cups and the air
miles the sky another Superman thing really because the flying
thing you'reating me right now. You figure was so close
to my face. I did this like promo once where
I was talking and I was like pointing because it

(37:57):
was to raise money for something. I was like, you
need to do this, and we're I was kind about it,
but I was like, oh yeah, listen, and then I
saw it and I was damn. I did a lot
of pointing, and that's just gonna push people away. I
understand now why they do like a thumb whatever. So
the flying, what's the thumb thing? No, like the Bill Clinton. Yeah,
they do that rather than that because it's this is

(38:17):
like direct and mean, and then they do that, which
is kind of it takes off the edge. But the flying,
that had to do with the whole Superman and him
flying and he would go places um where. There was
the one trip that he took by himself, no luggage
like Superman did, just went with no l he didn't

(38:39):
care anything. He just flew somewhere. He's had his blue suite. Interesting. Yeah,
so did you know that's a true story with the
pudding cups? Yeah, there was a dude. Pet Anderson got
that from real life. There was a guy, uh, I
can't find his name, doesn't really matter. Um that in
real life figured out that there was a healthy choice

(38:59):
promo for sky miles, and he figured out that pudding
cups you could get for twenty five cents apiece, cash
them in and it exceeded the value of what he
would pay. So Time Magazine wrote articles about him. Washington
Post he he literally spent three thousand dollars to get um,
like one point two million air miles and did the

(39:20):
rounds on talk shows and Paul Thomas Anderson saw this
and I was like, that's a great little subplot for
a movie. Yeah, so it really happened, And um, it's
a lot of miles. That is a lot of miles,
and he's still flying on those I've read an article
from like last year. Yeah, because the way I don't
know how all that stuff works, but he's still like
cashing in on those miles with his like lifetime diamond status.

(39:43):
He gained the system, um legally and uh very important
and uh donated. Here's here's the great news to that.
He he he could not because if he donated, I'm sorry,
if you got the pudding cups in in one month,
that they would double it. But he didn't have the
time to do it. All. So he got volunteers from
the Salvation Army to get these barcodes loose from the

(40:06):
pudding cups, and then he donated all the pudding to
the Salvation Army and then got to write that ship
off on his Texas. I was about to say if
he got the Salvation Army to do all that, and
it was like, and I got at one point two miles,
it's like, what's the Salvation Army getting out of that
pudding pudding? When when I don't know, uh so anyway

(40:28):
that I was kind of blown away that that was
actually real thing. But in the movie, these pudding cups
kind of become an obsession and clearly like sort of
his salvation of this thing that he has, that like
this one thing he can control, this this loophole that
he finds, and of course that ends up leading him
going to Hawaii to chase down this this woman chase

(40:50):
down That sounds really bad because it's a very sweet
thing that he did, but you know, go after his
love in Hawaii, which is very sweet. Yeah, and I
just not kind of but the kind of person the
speaking of control, that kind of personality that just everything
with his sisters and everything was so kind of crazy,
and it was, but I can hone in on this,
you know, he just kind of got like, this seems

(41:10):
like I can kind of not manipulate, but I can
put my focus here right when everything else seems to
be falling apart. Yeah, and his sister's um the actress
that they like the Seven Sisters, the Seven Deadly Sins,
if that has something to do with it, again from
Darryls Anderson is like, shut your face, ail. The sisters

(41:30):
are voiced all by the one actress actually because of
all the phone messages, but then the and when you
see them, they're obviously different actresses. But they were just
such assholes to him, and it felt so bad that
they would just in that scene, Uh, Smigel who paid
his brother in law when he's in the I guess

(41:50):
the laundry room or something, after he bashes in the
windows of the store. Yeah, and there's the guys like,
was he a therapist? Was the dentist? Dentist? And which
is a funny joke. Oh that's right, that's right. And
so he takes in the launcher room and you know,
just that moment, you're just like, oh, I get it, dude,
You're just being beat up and he just breaks and

(42:12):
just falls apart, and then michaels like, I don't know
what to do here. Yeah, and well and he clearly
needs therapy. Oh yeah, for her years had needed therapy
and he's the one guy. He's like, you know, I
can make some calls and find you someone, like it's
really kind of easy to get a therapist. But I
think everyone sort of relates to Barry a little bit

(42:33):
uncertain days, you know. Yeah, I just I just I
was just such a fan of and again it maybe
it kind of goes back to, you know, being the
asthmatic kid and Goonies, where he's all of a sudden
has just becomes this hero in the end, and just
always that transition of like starting off kind of defeating
and isolated, but then when that love came in, he

(42:53):
just transformed. It's pretty great. Yeah, And he goes to
Waii too because she basically invites and she's like, you know,
if you're gonna go anyway, and he's on the phone
with her with with that parade going by. Actually he's
on the phone with his sister trying to find out
what hotel and that's when he finally snaps with the sister.
It's like, I will fucking kill you. I give me

(43:15):
her hotel, and he finally loses it and like takes
control against his sisters, who uh, these oppressive, vulgar sisters
who have just been keeping him down. And you don't
know the family dynamic there at all other than uh,
you get the feeling that they've just been on Barry's
asks his entire life. Oh yeah, and I that also
that kind of the contrast of the passion that he

(43:37):
showed getting her information or number compared to when he's
with her and it's just like still awkward, and it's
he still doesn't know, you know, it's like that kind
of like I wanted, I wanted, I wanted. Then he's
in front of it and he's like, I don't new
and it's such a contrast from that, you know. Anyways, uh,

(43:58):
And there's two great kiss scenes the first kiss in
the second kiss, the first one where he leaves after
their first date. He walks. It's so so wonderful. He
he walks down the hall from her apartment and as
he's passing the apartment office, the lady says, are you Barry,
Like there's a phone call for you, and it's her saying,
you know, I didn't I wanted to kiss you or something.

(44:19):
And then he can't find her apartment and he's running
around looking for it and it's this maze of long
hallways with exit signs and apparently those are all white
and that's where white factors in. Is his like loss
of right if you remember where you um, maybe he
was born in an all white Yeah, there's all that white. Uh.

(44:44):
So he runs back and they have that great first
kiss and um, it's it's not even sexual. It's because
they kiss and then she just hugs him like, uh,
I don't wanna make it creepy and say, like a
mom hugs her son. But it's a it's a comfort,
you know. Well, it's that being isolated and then finally
finding connection. Yeah, and she gets it, you know, she

(45:04):
gets him. And then the second one of to me,
the favorite moment the movie for me was, um, when
they kissed in Hawaii and there's a great shot where
they come together with the blue ocean behind them, and uh,
they're in silhouette and Paul Thomas Anderson sends this rush
of extras crossing in front of them and behind them

(45:26):
like dozens and dozens of people, and then it's with
the music and then they all fade away and it
just shows those two in their foreheads touch and in
between them, Uh, the light forms a heart. And it's
just such a like there are no accidents in this
movie cinematically like, and because it's P. T. Anderson, everything

(45:47):
is just designed within an inch of its life. From
that first shot where it shows that weird desk all
by itself and that huge warehouse in the corner. Uh,
it all just all that negative space. Yeah, absolutely, it's
there's also that speaking of just kind of the thought
he put into it. When he's going through the grocery store,
this is another thing on this thing I watched, and

(46:08):
she's um kind of vaguely there's this red figure that's
kind of walking that's her, and it's kind of like
but he looks back. But the fact that she's kind
of coming into his life that kind of stuff that's great.
And he does that just sweet little dance when he's
collecting on the pudding cups with the Louie Guzman and
the great Louie Guzman, who should be like in every

(46:29):
movie ever. Uh. And then at the end that that
car crash that you were talking about where she has
the blood and he kicks the ship out of those
brothers because you know, everyone knows that weird subplot with
the there's the subplot of the pudding cups in the
sky miles and then this phone sex line that he
calls just the people. Yeah, and knowing him this is

(46:52):
what Paul Thomas Anderson did so well, to knowing how
defeated he'd already had been and just how isolated, and
then somebody else taking it advantage of that, and you're
just like, no, no, no, not this guy, not this guy. Yeah,
you know what, he's just trapped. It's like, we want
Barry to feel good and he just is over his
head with all this stuff. Um, but you know the

(47:15):
crow bart took care of that in a good way. Uh.
And then finally at the very end, he goes to
her and that final scene in the shop, like he said,
he's he's playing that harmonium, she comes up behind him
and and hugs him from behind and says, here we go.
And it's just such a his cape. That's right, and
he's Superman. Such a lovely movie and just so like

(47:38):
I said ninety seven minutes long. And it's not like
there's not a wasted word in it, not a wasted shot.
It's just also purposeful and lovely. It's great, all right.
So we end uh, and we're gonna have Q and
A after, but we end movie crush, as you all know,
with a couple of quick segments, one called what Ebert said,
because I always like to go back and see what
the great Roger Ebert thought of these movies. Uh, he

(48:00):
gave it three and a half stars out of four.
You're gonna ask what the half star was for? But
what did I'm curious what he said? Did you see
what he said? He loved it? So this is one
uh pull quote punch drying. Um, he doesn't say obviously,
I guess he just thought it wasn't perfect. Come on,
punch drunk. Love is, above all a portrait of a

(48:21):
personality type. Barry Egan has been damaged, perhaps beyond repair,
by what he sees as the depredations of his domineering sisters.
It drives him crazy when people knows into his business.
He cannot stand to be trifled with. His world is
entered by alarming omens and situations that baffle him. The
character is vividly seen, and the film sympathizes with him

(48:44):
in his extremity. Yeah about that. Yeah, and I love
that he I love that he's irritated by people coming
into his life. But then she just that surprise, he
didn't know what he needed and always get the picture.
A lot of times I do this with movies. I
try to egine what happens after, and um, I think

(49:04):
they are still happily living ever after, you know, yeah
my world right, or she becomes abusive and manipulus. She's
the angel without hands that went to my friends. Yeah,
so guys, I got a whole start in my head,
all right, and then uh five questions with Tony Hale.

(49:26):
This scares me. It shouldn't. Uh. Number one, first movie
you remember seeing in a movie theater? Um, don't, well,
he saw a movie before you were fourteen? Come on,
like win a doubt pratt Fall for those listening at home.

(49:47):
I almost busted my ass. Um first movie I remember.
I mean I was gonna say Goonies, but I would say,
um eat. I think, okay, I can. I don't know
if that's I think. I just remember being in the
theater and being very moved by that right? Good? Uh?

(50:10):
First another Spielberg, Yeah, first, And speaking of Spielberg, the
lens flares and Punch Drunk Love, Barry Spielbergian a little
trick there. Do you guys know what a lens flare is?
Some of you If you see Punch Drunk Glove, all
those moments where the light sort of bursts sideways over

(50:31):
the screen like a blue light will flash, that's a
lens flayer. When it's something you're not supposed it's technically
a mistake, but you can also use it as a technique,
which they try to use when you're trying to put
together a family movie on I'm movie on them Apple,
but it's not as good. Oh, is there a thing?
There's a title you can put of, like Summer two
seventeen has a lens flare, but not as good as
PTA did it? First R rated movie you saw at all?

(51:00):
All right? Um it was Porky's and um my, mom,
this is a true story. Rented it not knowing I
thought it was kind of a I don't know if
she thought it was Porky the Pig, but there was
something she didn't think it was what it was. And
I remember watching it with my dad and um, which

(51:23):
was for how long until Joy and I remember turning
to me and saying, this is your first lesson on
sex education? Really, and I was like thinking, I don't
know if that's the best, um, but um yeah, we're
we're the same age. And I remember Porky's um. Especially

(51:44):
as a little Baptist kid. It was it was a lot.
It was like the filthiest movie I'd ever heard of,
um because they were all the body parts were in it,
male and female. And you knew this as a kid
and around school people like yeah, yeah, yeah, uh dumb
movie though, like have you I have not seen it again? No,

(52:05):
don't bother, No, don't watch it with your daughter. It's
not good. Uh number three do you will you walk
out of a bad movie? Uh? It would be hard.
But I think if if it's something like that, I'm
gonna bust again with doing this with my chair. But

(52:27):
it's um uh. If it's if it's something like I
don't like if somebody is like, oh no, no, see
this harror maybe or see this thriller, it's not that
da da da. If it gets if I know this,
this is gonna stay with me, then I will I
will walk out because some people can see that stuff
and be like it wasn't that fun? Like say you're
watching something about this guy like stalking somebody or something

(52:48):
like that, like and then they leave and they go,
what that? What's that fun? When that fun? I leave,
and I'm like, someone's after my family? Uh, you know,
like I gotta I gotta take care of this, right,
you know. So it doesn't it's I don't, it's I don't.
It doesn't leave me. I will go home and be
closing a blind and be like, he's gonna be on
the opposite side of the window. So that's what would
cause you to leave. Not that this is so bad

(53:08):
that I can't watch it. No, I don't think i'd
ever leave something if it was so bad, I would
leave just because I know how it would affect me. Okay, yeah, interesting,
Like do you guys like haunted houses as kids? Thank you?
I don't get it. I don't get walking through an
unknown space and people grabbing you. Well, and then some
of those now are like you sign a release. They

(53:30):
are so extreme. Why do they put themselves through that?
I don't know. There's so much fear in the world.
Why are you walking through that. Just watch CNN for
an hour and you'll be as freaked out as possible.
Is anyone into that? Those really extreme hunted people get
rushed out of it. No judgments, but I don't get it.
Say what sir? So it's one it's all right for

(54:00):
you can't hear that. But he said there was a
girl who got kidnapped? Is one of those things where
you signed up to get kidnapped? Guys? Come on, I mean,
I'm serious. That's really by the way, I don't know
if you guys knew abduction happens, right, So why are
we going to recreate an acute little house and pay
money to go do it? I want to you know
what I want? I want to pay ten bucks to

(54:21):
be abducted. I could binge veep or I could go
get abducted and pay for that. I really do not
understand it at all. It's actually kind of makes me
mad well. And it's also so why do I want
to sit in a dark room with a bunch of
people and watch somebody like those Saw movies or whatever,

(54:41):
Because I'm, by the way, as people out there that
that ship or who's gonna sign up to watch paranormal activity. Nope, right,
that ship's real. I'm not playing with that. Stuffy sitting
in a dark room and watching that. Here's a movie
that will make you fear going to sleep in your
own bed every night. I'm already freaked out there. So

(55:02):
I think it's someone that signs up and I've heard
of those, sir, when when you sign up for this
thing where they literally kidnap you, like there's something, there's
something going on with what are you serious? No? No, no,
it's a thing, you know you think we're all like,
that's not what you're saying, though you were saying it's
in a hunted house. Right, You've heard of like escaped

(55:27):
the room asking something. Does this person know they're about
to get kidnapped? Because you're like surprised. I think you
don't know when it's gonna happen though, right, Isn't it
like for your birthday? I got your gift, You're like
your kidnapped. Sometime between June three and tenth, you will
be kidnapped. It's that kind of thing. What the fuck
is wrong with there? I mean that is wrong. That's
that's coming from childhood trauma. There's something that happened. That's

(55:49):
my point life. Yeah, something is wrong with that person,
Like they're reworking, they're trying to work something out. That's
the wrong way to work it out. Hire somebody to
help you work out. Don't hire them to kidnap app
you and the dudes who think of that as a
business like right, and guys right, the ice cream trucks
not working out? So what if we kidnapped people? God,

(56:13):
that is really messed up. That is true because there's
all those things now, which I kind of like the
where you go in you have to figure out the
code and get to a different escape the room, escape room.
I don't have those words escape, but I like, I
like the idea of a puzzle and you do that
puzzle rooms. Yeah, let's call it puzzle rooms. Let's call
him cross word rooms. But I think that's kind of fun.

(56:37):
You're just talking about a retirement home now. But if
these rooms are like well lit, yeah, you know, clean, clean,
happy colors, I'm all about that. I don't want some
goth escape room or something like that. We actually, Emily
and I Janet Varney, who is one of the co
founders of Sketch Best, we did and escape room in
Atlanta with her and a group of her cast mates.

(56:58):
What was the theme? Uh, nightmare Street? What was it, Emily,
do you remember? Yeah? That's yeah, it's like you're in
a museum and um was there like spider webs in
the museum? Is that like that kind of a museum?
It was. It was pretty pretty fun and like innocuous. Yeah,
that wasn't very good at it. Janet was on that
ship like, yeah, you know she's a timer, right, you

(57:21):
have to do it a certain Yeah, yeah, I think
that's I'm sure there's once I'm sure that are freaky.
But then there's ones that my friend and I were
just too obsessed with making jokes the whole time, and
I think Janet got a little annoyed. She's like, Chuck,
can you know you can you bring this in? While
I would be going in the corner just crying it's

(57:41):
time to leave, Tony, could you like help because it's
about real alright? Number four, Uh, do you have a
guilty pleasure movie? Do you go back to? And by

(58:04):
guilty pleasure some people don't have them, but usually that's
a movie that kind of sucks, but you just will
watch it no matter what. Yeah, I don't know if
I mean this. I'm a huge sucker for waiting for Guffman.
But that movie is great. That's what I'm saying. It
doesn't suck. You are you saying it has to suck? Well?
I mean, isn't that what a guilty pleasure is? Probably
like over and over? Okay, not that they're turning on you, right,

(58:29):
I'm so sorry. I'm a very sensitive, fragile man. Clearly, Um.
I mean, I don't think it's bad, but I always
I've always liked Wizard of Oz. I know, guys, so
Tony Hill doesn't know what a guilty pleasure is. Everybody
I'm trying to think of, like, oh, the Room, I've
seen the Room. I've only seen it once, but I'd
see that again. Was that? No? No, no, God, I

(58:53):
will never see that. You didn't see it at all.
I will never ever see that movie movie. Oh you
mean the Room? The James, Oh my god, the room
is tough or a room? I think it's just the
name of it. They're in solitary confinement, a mother and
a son, their whole lives, right, and somebody what oh

(59:14):
that just I lose breath thinking about that. Man. The
fact you're even saying that is traumatic. Sorry, it really
is awful. You're like, that's my guilty pleasure, immense pain. Because,
by the way, guys, there have been people that have
been trapped in basements their whole lives haven't seen light.

(59:35):
That's kind of your movie about it. For yeah, for
anything bad, You're like, that happened, It did happen anyways?
Guilty pressure pressure, Guilty pleasure, UM a bad one because
I don't want the audience turning. I'd say the room. Yeah,
I'd say the room because I've seen it once and
I'd see that again because it's kind of it's just funny. Uh.

(59:58):
I would maybe old over the top musicals are kind
of fun to watch where everything is just like you know,
it's like it's like really bad show choir on film. Huh,
I got you. I would argue that all show choir's pad,
but my wife would get angry because are you gonna
turn on it? Because I might. Emily grew up doing

(01:00:19):
show qui. I was in studio singers in Tallahassee, Florida. Okay,
did wear the blue sparkly vest? Did you solo and stuff?
Or were you just sell the vest? No? Solo, did
you sell the best? Maybe we had to make a
buck because you could now? Um no, did you have
solos performances or were you just part of the big group?

(01:00:39):
I I was. It was like a group and we
have like an American Americana theme where the blue sparkle best.
But I never had a soul because I didn't have
a very good voice. Okay, but I was a good
dance though. Really yeah Baptist kid about what James Lipton,
I would make you dance right now, but I'm not
gonna do that. Uh. And then finally movie going one

(01:01:01):
oh one? What is your when you get out to
the theater these days? Sort of what is your thing?
Where do you sit on? Popcorn? What's your ritual? Uh?
I like popcorn. I like putting Eminem's in my popcorn. Yes,
I like. I like the plane because I I don't
want any protein in my in my bag. Um No,
I like the salty sweet thing. But I I sit

(01:01:24):
on the end because I always am the guy that
if I have to go to the bathroom, I don't
want to like get through people to sit on the
aisland cut to tonight, I had to go to the
bathroom three times before this thing. As you know, I
was told by someone who maybe even in this room.
There's an app now called go pe or something like that.
What's it called run p where if you you say
what movie you're watching, they will tell you the best

(01:01:45):
time to go and what has happened while you're gone.
Isn't that great? It's great? But if I had to
go and I knew that I had to wait five minutes,
I'm like, I'm gonna pee all over this, you know
it's I I would my head would get like I
still got ten minutes before I can go. Well, I
think you can do that too, though, if you just

(01:02:06):
have to go, you can also say I'm going now
and they will tell you what I see. Okay, However,
how do they handle that with people getting so piste,
with someone turning their phone on to look at it
just just p app That's a good point, and like
that's on the lose, Like, well, I'm in the story, man,
I don't care about your your screen? Right? Is there
a poop version too? Do you guys watch Black Mirror? Yeah? Yet,

(01:02:30):
but because that ship happens, wow, but there is one
episode because my buddies in it. Um that's in the
new season, but they're in space. I haven't seen the
new season yet, um so I'm excited watching it, but
I'm a little like because I've heard it's really intense.
The reason I thought about this, this is my mind's
going is because the black mirror on the phone. At guys,

(01:02:50):
I'm tangent man, But I've heard that episode is not
It's intense, but maybe not as intense. Right, has anybody
seen it? Okay? Okay? They is it Tony Hale? Safe?
Is it Bambi? It's funny because you there's a little
bit of h of Gary and you. Isn't there a lot? Well?

(01:03:13):
I mean, I think I think the I've dealt with
anxiety of my life clearly is like really, but I
think it's cool. I was talking to my wife about this, Like,
whatever you deal with in life, it's cool. How it's
worked into you, You're it's worked into my career. I
do it well? Is that how that? Like? How does

(01:03:36):
that work when you do emasculation really well? But is
that is that serendipity? Or do I guess an agent
says like, oh, you'd kind of be good as this
because you're sort of like that or does it just
work out that way? You just kind of well. I remember, well,
I had been doing commercials a long time in New York,
and I was always the guy that was kind of

(01:03:57):
not all there, and so I would like wide. I
was a nervous and then this arrested audition came around
and Buster was kind of explained as a man child,
and this one lady was like, Tony Hale would be
good for this, UM. But I went in and I
auditioned forward in New York, and I remember Mitch saying that, um,

(01:04:18):
because Buster massaged people a lot. He massaged people, and
I guess in the script it said I started massaging someone.
I sorry, I was started massaging my knees. But the
audition cut off here, so he didn't know what was
happening down here, and he was like, and I was intrigued,
what is he doing? Done there? But not in a
weird way, but he was like, he's like what so anyways,

(01:04:40):
and then so I they were interested in me. So
I've got flown out there. That's awesome. All right, I
think we can take some questions. What time is it?
Do you have fifteen minutes? Yeah? Sure? All right? Uh
you don't have to go to the mic. I'll just
repeat the question for when we release this. So asked me,
and asked me whatever. Clearly I'm over share anything anything
about vulnerable. It's all on the table. Anyone got anything

(01:05:05):
in the back there? Hello, ma'am. What character would Tony
play in any movie? Is this historically or in the future?
Whatever you want. There's a couple, um I Seymour in
Little Shop of Horrors I would love to do I
think I'm tooling for it now, and or uh Sam

(01:05:28):
in Lord of the Rings. H. I appreciated his bond
to Frodo. I think he was a very good friend.
That's great, Yeah, thank you. I don't know. There was
just like a real brotherly let's do this together. And
I mean I'd like I think that would be cool

(01:05:51):
that his job was to worry good point, which I'm
the master at. That's so true. It was funny. We
were backstage and five minutes into a conversation, do you
have asthma? Not really, I was like wise. I just
thought I heard you wheezing, and uh I did? Can
I tell them I have my inhailor if it's uh

(01:06:16):
my drives my wife crazy because we at restaurants if
and I still to this day, don't understand it. But
I have a hard time not if someone's too close
to me, I'll hear their issues, or I'll hear their
conversations and so and like if there's a first date
here and someone's having a fight here, I'll find myself
like should I make it better? But I don't understand

(01:06:37):
in restaurants why people are that close to people and
unveiling such intense things. I hear your trauma, like I'm
right here. Do you want me to do something about
it or for help? Yeah? And then you like people
with maybe voice modulation issues, and you're like, all right,
that's tough. But I don't think you wanted to tell

(01:06:57):
me that. Emily and I went to a wine bar
last night and there was this really cozy booth that
this couple was leaving, and she was like, I'm not
sitting in there. It's like why? She was like, did
you hear them on the way out? They were fighting?
And she's like, oh, I just can't believe. You're like,
why do you want to do this? And she's like,
unless we sage that I'm not going in there. I
get it. I get it, do you? And it doesn't

(01:07:20):
even you don't even notice. That's like my wife didn't here. Yeah,
my wife does. She has that gift. Were just does
not even doesn't even hear it. And I'm like, oh,
I know everything in this room right here. Let's talk.
Give me a glass of red wine and we're gonna
get into it. Uh questions anyone, ma'am Right there day

(01:07:44):
in the life of a set of arrested development. Oh man, Um,
it's uh, I mean, it's I can only speak because
we just this past week we were doing it and
it's he Mitch is so um. You know. I think
many times in scripts or stories you kind of have
an idea of where something is going, and you're like, oh,

(01:08:05):
I can have there's so much surprise, Like he'll just
come up to and be like, let's try this, so
what about this? And it's just you're constantly wondering what's
going to happen, and so it's both exciting and like
you kind of gotta you gotta be ready. Um. But
it's everybody's really lovely and Will Arnett's one of the
funniest men out there. He's just constantly has a great

(01:08:27):
joke and I know just Alia Shacott who plays Maybe,
and Michael Sarah. I mean we started they were fourteen
fifty kids. Now she's twenty eight years old, and so
I don't know, it's just you. We're just like we've
been together for so all of us together so long.
It's just kind of we've had babies and marriages and
it's really wild cool, but nothing beats the catering. Well,

(01:08:53):
when they come back together, food just taste better after
the show going away and coming back together. It must
be really nice. And I have to admit when when
when Netflix first brought us back, I was concerned go
figure that. You know, there's a lot of expectation into
the show, and I didn't know if we could, uh,

(01:09:15):
if I could bring Buster back the way somebody wanted
to come back. But I will say once loose once.
Jessica Walter said, who plays Lucille, said Buster to me,
it was like a Pavlovian yes mother. And we did
this scene last season where she's on uh what is

(01:09:39):
it called when you have to stay home because you're arrested?
Um arrest? Yes, house arrested. She's she's under house arrest
and uh and she can't smoke and so I as
buster as the chick coat off and a child have
to inhale the smoke out of her mouth and then
run outside and blow it out. And as an asthmatic,

(01:10:02):
that was a fun day. I was like, and then
I was like. One of my favorite lines from that
show was when that she said I'll be in the
hospital bar you know, mom Barston hospitals. Well, no wonder,
no one likes hospitals. Just the notion of how like
literally she is I'll be in the hospital ball That

(01:10:22):
reminds me of the doctor who is just so funny
when my hand comes off and he's like, um, just
like how is he? And he's like he's like he's okay,
and like oh, he's like he's okay, but he's lost
a hand but he's okay or something like that. He's
all right, yeah, sorry, I need to watch the show.

(01:10:48):
It's such a dumb joke. It's great. People come up
to me so many times that you know, have have
these stories that they've loved U arrested and I don't
remember much clearly, and I'm like and the like, oh,
I'm sorry for this, And I was like, no, tell
me more, because that's hilarious. I totally forgot about that,
And there's so many things that I missed, like, oh,
it wasn't that funny? How this and this. I'm like,

(01:11:10):
I have no idea what you're talking about, but that
sounds super smart. That was very funny though, And the
doctor comes in and says, he's okay, Like get it, everybody.
I'm sorry. That actually might have been the first time
I got that when she just said that. That's how
checked out I am for the catering. Please don't get

(01:11:32):
me started. They did. I just love free food. I
really did. Uh hint bar just kidding. You might have
a potato skin, yes, ma'am um. Great question. So you're

(01:11:54):
asking if I've ever met somebody from Punch Drunk Love.
I've met Adam sand It, but we never talked um
and I had a mime routine. No, I apologize. I
was at a restaurant and I was just introduced him
to him and I said hi, highs. But we never
like kind of talk. We met him just staring into

(01:12:16):
each other's eyes, but there was no communication. But I
recently met Paul Thomas Henderson because we're touring UM schools
from my daughter and he I think him and his
wife were bringing the twin of school. They were there
and we just shook hands and I got I didn't
say anything, but it's that moment you're like, keep it together,
just keep it together. But he was very nice and yeah,

(01:12:37):
two kids go to the same school or now no,
because we're kind of looking for we were kind of
both positions looking for schools for a That's how people
meet in l A. And that's the reality of it. Yeah,
it's like you meet it that. I remember. I've met
Tim Curry at the VET one time. Yeah. Yeah, it's
just they're everywhere. They're just like us, your next podcast?

(01:12:59):
Who's next? I think we have time for a few more, yes,
ma'am right here. Question. Has anyone surprised me with their
favorite movie on a movie crush? Um? No, because you
never know what someone's gonna say. Um. Some of them
have made total sense, like Kyle Knaine with Big Trouble

(01:13:22):
and Little China. As soon as he said that, I
was like, well, of course that's Kyle Knaan's favorite movie. Um. Yeah,
no surprise as yet. I always find it's interesting and
it's kind of the whole reason I started doing This
was sort of the not just like, oh, what's your
favorite movie, let's talk about it, but sort of the
underbelly of that, which is why. And actually that's a

(01:13:42):
good question, like what is it about punch drunk love
for you? Specifically? Um, I think, without getting too intense,
I think being a spiritual person, like I think the
my love for God, how it kind of strength ens me.
And I think there was something just seeing his love

(01:14:03):
come into his life, it like completely changed him. But
it was done and not a cheesy Christian film way
you know it was. It was like powerful and beautiful
and artistic and and I've just never forgotten it. It
wasn't a Kirk Cameron movie. In other words, it was not,
but it was just but it was wherever somebody is

(01:14:24):
just that how that unknown can there's no formula to it, right,
and it just completely can change your life. And I
think we live wanting to have a formula and there's
just not a formula sometimes. Yeah, And Barry is like
angry as he was. His heart was open as it,
and I think everybody's I mean, there is that that
can happen. Everybody who's next back way back in the

(01:14:47):
backs are celebrity crush that has start present. Man, I
would say Tim Conway on Carolbinette Show, Uh, I just
him and Carol Burnett. I think there was a And
I would also throw Bob Newhart into that, like I

(01:15:09):
think he When I grew up what him and Bob
Newhart and Carol Burnette were doing, I was just so
amazed by it, and specifically Bob and Tim Connwy, because
they never pushed the comedy. They would There was that
one scene when Tim Conway would walk across the stage
as an old man Mr. Yeah, and he was not

(01:15:30):
really doing much, but it was so funny and it
was such a controlled thing and he could do the
smallest thing and it was just hilarious. And it wasn't
just like winking at the audience. He just trusted. He
trusted that the circumstances were crazy enough that he could
just sit in that tension and it would be funny,
rather than constantly pushing it. Yeah, that was Carol Burnette

(01:15:50):
show was huge in my house and I remember being
like ten years old, and nothing funnier in the world
to me was when Tim Conway would crack up. Harvaryman,
I know, and I want more of that and everybody
and sn L, I know they get about like kind
of maybe look down upon when they start laughing. Man,
I rewondered that stuff. Conc Has anybody seen the when

(01:16:11):
they went to Disney, Lindsay Lohan was hosting Debbie Downer
and they all crack up. I must I probably watched
that a thousand times. Either needs to be more bloopers
on live shows and like just that. It's because it's
that humanity. And honestly, why I don't I don't really
watch Arrested Clearly much or viet much. But I'll tell

(01:16:31):
you what I watch is the gag rille that they
always give us. I watched that stuff over and over
because that's the life that I remember. Is because I'm
the one that breaks the most. And um and Julia
actually said to me once, she said, Tony, we were
in a scene and I couldn't keep it together and
I was laughing, and she turned to me and she says, Tony,
you know you're not watching the show. You're in the show.

(01:16:55):
And I was like, yeah, but it's a funny show.
But I just love that. I love it. We need
more of it. Agreed, that's the best I think we
got some room for a couple of more. Yes, ma'am.
Question is will I ever do an episode of might?
I was about to ask that what yours is? Oh, well,
I know it's it's troubling because it used to be

(01:17:17):
a certain Woody Allen movie that it's you can't kind
of really do that anymore. So I had to kind
of push that to the side. Um, Jaws is actually
one of, if not my favorites, and I've already covered
that with another guest. No, because that ship happens, it
does no funny you mentioned that, because every time I'm

(01:17:40):
in the ocean, I think about you. Really still does
anybody else? I hear the music. I remember being on
this retreat with um my friend somewhere in the beach
and we were we were in this like catamaran, this
catamaran thing, but anyways, it caps it fell over it
in the water, and I had eczema as a kid,

(01:18:03):
open source. So I was like, I'm floating Calamari for like,
for whatever, just come at me. I heard the music,
I saw the image of the shark underneath the body
on the top of the water. It's like right here,
you know, you were chum. Yeah, you're welcome. It was

(01:18:24):
a rough one, so I can't believe I sat through that.
I did, but we were kids. Yeah. I probably went
with some friends and thought, oh this is cool and
then it just traumatized me for life. I can't leave.
I loved that before I was talking about the ocean
being this peaceful place that people die. All right, we
got one more, yes, sir, right upront So greatest phobia,

(01:18:50):
Tonio Good, last question. Greatest phobic, I would say probably heights.
There's something about heights that just we we We went
to this family camp this past summer. We did a
ropes course and my daughter is just free and da
da da da man I was it was hard. It

(01:19:10):
was hard because one click and but it's I don't know,
there's just something about it. I want, I want her freedom,
but there's just terrifies me. Did you feel like you
had to uh hide that from her your fear? Um?
Oh yeah. Well but then I was like I'm gonna
be brave. And then I got out there and I
was like, yeah, ship's got real. I gotta I gotta

(01:19:33):
be honest about this. But you know, I don't know
what it is when you um, it's like you know,
when you're in a balcony and I don't. The thing
is I'm not I'm not. This is gonna sound dark,
but it's that thing of I don't want to jump,
but I'm afraid I'm gonna jump. We've talked it's there's
a French expression for that. I can't remember it, but
we've talked about that on stuff you should know before

(01:19:56):
driving off the cliff or jumping off the building. It's
a thing I don't want to be given the choice,
you know. And it's like, again, not suicidal, love my life,
but there's something about if given the choice, I don't
want to be given the choice because I'm worried what
my body might be. Like wow, right, and then on
the way down you're like, damn it, why did someone

(01:20:18):
stop me? Yeah? All right, thanks everybody, Thank you, Tony Hales,
thank you for coming. Oh man, oh man, did I
have fun doing that one? Was so much fun being
on stage with Tony and getting that feedback from the

(01:20:40):
from the listening audience there. Uh, that live audience is
just there's nothing like it, and I look to do
more of these in the future. Would be so much fun.
Uh if even if I can get a hundred people
in a room in any given city, it's it's well
worth it for me and a lot of fun. So
thanks to Tony. It was great hearing him talk about
punch drunk love and for everyone to get him to
know him a little better as Tony Hale and not

(01:21:03):
Buster Bluth or Gary from VEEP to great great all
time movie TV characters, and Tony is just such a
good guy. So thanks to Tony Hale, thanks to everyone
who came out, and thank you all for listening. And
until next week, take off that tin gallon hat, Mr Cowboy,
because I cannot see the movie screen.