Mini Crush #168

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.

(00:28):
Hey Everybody, and welcome to Mini Crush Monday with Charles W.
Chuck Bryant, and Noel Brown. What does who I mean? Chuck?
Is that a military thing? Like? When who are? Is
that just like an al pacino thing? Well? I mean,
I think it can be military and nature. I know that.
I thinking marines might have said it. That's what I find.

(00:48):
Maybe a marine thing. But you know, my brother in
law is a very high ranking marine, Noel, he is
one of us. Would you consider him elite? Was he
an elite marine? He is? He's one of eighteen three
star generals in the Marine Corps. And uh, that's you know,
he's almost at the tippy top. And then it goes
and I looked this up recently. That's why I'm I

(01:10):
know these stats because we were like, jeez, I wonder
if he's going to make it to four star and
be at the very tippy top. And we're like, surely
he will. But eighteen make three star, three make four star,
so fifteen super tippy top marines get told no. So
you never know no, So you like you what you say?
I want to be a forester to apply or or

(01:32):
do someone just like awarded to you based on It's
it's you know, it's weird. It's like any other job
management system, like you get promotions and raises based on
tenure and uh, I mean in that way, it's like
any job. But yeah, he you will. I think eventually
you will be up for that promotion like under consideration,

(01:55):
and then you either get it or you don't, and
you progress in your career or you don't. Interesting. It
is interesting. But he's been my and my family since
I was a little ten or eleven years old, so
you know, I started dating my sister in high school,
so he's like my brother. But anyway, the reason I
say that is I know that er it was a

(02:16):
Marine Corps thing, not even the Hua it went down
to er. Okay, it's just sound and a noise thing
they make. I don't know what it means. And there's
there's probably former Marines out there listening and laughing at
me right now because right in, I don't know how
Pacino comes into it except for that movie. Well that's
what I'm saying. I just think of it in his voice.

(02:38):
It was that sent of a woman. Yeah, I never
saw that believe it or not. It's fine. Did they
do the voice? You do a decent machino, right, he
got a great that's a good one. You know, people
really got to kick out of our herd zg Christoft
Waltz and that we had Christoph Walts is on point.

(03:01):
My dude, I'm serious. I was blown away. I was
not expecting. I want them to do a buddy movie
together all of a sudden. That's a great idea. You know.
It's a great idea because they both have those kind
of fun accents. But one is, you know, Christoph Waltz
is so jaunpty and then you've got Hertzog, which is
just so dire. I don't know who that was, say

(03:23):
so dire, so die. Yeah, I think it would be
a fun combination. Put them in a buddy yeah, a
road movie. Yeah, I think that makes sense because, you know,
because Christoph Walts is sort of the more upbeat nihilist,
you know, and uh and and her is the really
like in the fucking Weeds nihilist, you know. But between

(03:46):
the yeah, well, because Christoph Walts would be like, it
doesn't matter, we could just kill them all, and Vernon
Hurtzog would be like it is inevitable. Yeah, exactly. All right,
now this is this is a themed episode? I thought
I dropped this on you. Do you have a guess?

(04:06):
Oh god, a themed episode? No? Is it? Is it
date related? Seasonal? It's nothing related to anything? How could
I how could I possibly guess? I don't know. I
just thought you might pay attention and see what's going
on the movie crush page. Oh I see, I see,
I mean, I I scroll. I gotta say I don't

(04:27):
do Facebook nearly as much as I used to. Instagram
is good, but uh no, this is a tribute to
the movie trailer. I love a movie trailer. Maybe Mike
can put together some special music and drop it right here.
I would be fabulous. Mike, you did a great job
in advance. All right, how about that there was the music?

(04:52):
Uh Mike. By the way, everyone, we need to welcome Mike.
I don't even think I've mentioned on the show yet.
We have a new producer. I'm just getting shuttled around
the company like stop yesterday's garbage datted around like a
ball of string once and now. But welcome Mike. Mike's
doing a great job, and uh, I can't wait to
meet Mike in person. Mike is a lovely guy, really

(05:13):
talented musician, great producer, fabulous NPR background, and uh he
joined my team recently, um, working on some other stuff,
and so it made sense to bring him into this show. Yeah,
I used you know, now that I saw the picture
of him, I was like, Oh, that's Mike. I remember
seeing Mike around the office. Mike also is one of
the founders of an incredible Atlanta based literary event, long

(05:35):
running literary event with another guy named Nick Takowski, who
is a talented writer who has written podcast stuff for
US UM for the show Tomorrow's Monsters starring John Boyega
drop um. But Mike and Nick started this thing called
Right Club, UM like fight Club, but right where it's
like a pub literary slam kind of event where to

(05:56):
writers kind of go up and do pieces, you know,
one after the other with a timer, UM and Mike
and Nick often m see them and they're very clever
and keep it moving. And then with audience applause, you
determine who wins, and then there's like a brackety situation
where the winner of that one goes up against the
winner of the other winner. Uh. And there's so much
fun and really really really talented writer and lovely person.

(06:19):
That's welcome and all. You know, we should plug Tomorrow's
Monsters too, because that is former guest Dan Bush uh
and once it will be future guest again. We're gonna
have Dan back. But Dan did a scripted fiction uh
series for us called Tomorrow's Monsters starring John Boyega, which
which was a great get and I believe that thing.
They're already trying to get that thing option for for

(06:41):
TV or film, right absolutely, that's amazing, so cool. Way
to go, Dan, give it a shot. Everybody is that
three three D audio or is it just reg it's
just regular? Okay, all right, nol So let's get it
go in here. Uh. The first thing I'm gonna do
is give a brief overview of movie trailers and what
they are in their history, and on movie Crush, I
get to do what I don't get to do on
stuff you should know, which is basically just do the

(07:04):
Wikipedia thing. We've never done that on stuff you should know,
and that's why it's still the only thing that bugs
me about our reviews. And I don't really don't care
about reviews at this point, and I never really did.
But when I see reviews that say two goods just
fucking read Wikipedia pages, that burns me up because we've
never used Wikipedia, not even as a source, much less

(07:26):
just reading the page. At least, no on your reviews
calling you a cock. So you called a cook just
because of the conspiracy thing. There's just so many people
that are just like, it's an interesting crowd, so it
rubs you. The rubs people the wrong way when we
even get remotely political about anything. But it's like, in
this day and age, how can you not somewhat talk
about these kinds of you know what I mean? So

(07:47):
we sort of we pissed some people off. But I
want to know why is it called a trailer? I
hope you got I know you'll get there, chuck out.
It's the first thing out of is uh. They used
to be shown after the movie. They used to trail
the movie, and that's why they were called trailers right there.
But they learned pretty quickly that no one gave a
ship and didn't stick around, and so they said maybe

(08:08):
we should frontload these things. And so then you know,
back in the day, they used to have uh, cartoons
and newsreels and stuff like that before movies, and that
was all a part of it. So they just started
including the trailer at the front loaded bit of the movie,
which is of course what they still do today. It
says here that the very first trailer was in November

(08:28):
nine when an advertising manager for the low theater chain,
Marcus Lowe, produced a short promotional film for the movie
The Pleasure Seekers. So the very first I think it
was on Broadway, but the very first movie trailer was
The Pleasure Seekers. So if anyone ever asked you a
triviae question, you can keep that in your hip pocket.

(08:51):
Was that about a bunch of sex addicts? Uh? Doubt it? Okay,
not in uh. And it says here that they called
it in the newspaper The Nebraska Daily Star. They called
it an entirely new and unique stunt, and that moving
pictures of the rehearsals and other incidents connected with the

(09:11):
production will be sent out in advance of the show,
to be presented at Loews Picture Houses and will take
the place of much of the billboard advertising. So that
this they thought they were going to do away with billboards,
which they of course did not do. You don't see
him a lot outside of Los Angeles a little bit. Yeah,
occasionally it's but you're right, it is very l a

(09:32):
centric thing and and largely seeming to be like almost
industry facing, you know, or for like awards season. Yeah,
it's definitely there's some ego involved to have your movie
on the big billboard there on the sunset strip. Now,
now that's that's not to say that New York is
another big one. First with subway ads. You know, you
see him in subways a lot in New York. True,

(09:52):
that is very true. Uh. It also says until the
late nineteen fifties, UM trailers were mostly uh done by
the National Screen Service, and it basically just pulled out
some some key scenes with big large text with music.
Like those early trailers were a little bit rough. If
you see those old trailers. In the sixties, they got

(10:15):
a little bit different because they got rid of the
text and started doing these montages instead of just like
a scene from a movie, and started editing these things together.
And this basically the sixties was when we saw the
birth of what we kind of know as the movie
trailer today. Uh. In ninety three they started showing them online.
I remember in the early days of the internet, going

(10:36):
to Apple movie trailers every week to watch those movie
trailers because I loved because that was a good thing. Yeah,
that that sort of fell by the wayside a little
bit didn't now sort of because YouTube came along, I
think and kind of just took over because if you
want to watch any movie trailer, you can just type
it into YouTube. But I used to love going to
Apple movie trailers. That was a regular thing for me.

(10:57):
I guess I'd just see him pop up shared, you know,
and like Instagram stories are like Facebook post, people just
like share it when any trailer comes out. But I
don't go like trolling form every week. But that was
a nice little ritual. I did the same thing. Uh.
There are dozens of companies down the United States that
make movie trailers, course based in New York and l
A mainly, and uh, there's sort of like many ad

(11:20):
agencies as almost, and a lot of times they're working
from the the dailies, like they're they're cutting these things
together before the movie is even finished. So that's why
sometimes you will see scenes and bits that don't make
it into the final film they're in the trailer, which
can be confusing. Yeah, I mean, it really is an art,
and nothing worse than I mean, I'm sure there's you know,

(11:40):
people say this all the time, there's nothing worse than
a movie trailer that like spoils the movie, um, which
which can happen? I don't know. That's why I say
there's an art. I think there's like and there's also
like there's the long form trailer, and there's like the
teaser trailer, which is you're going to get into. Yeah. Absolutely,
I like a good teaser. Uh. And you know, some
times they can use that to their advantage and all

(12:01):
they can they can true, if you have like one
person in your movie that's a big star that's in
like one scene, they might play that up a lot
more and then you'll get in there and be like,
they're not even in the movie. So uh, you know.
Now it's a part of the fabric of going to
a movie. There's like twenty minutes of that stuff. And
in the big, big movies and now nol as you know,

(12:24):
for the big, big, highly anticipated trailers, some people might
even buy a ticket to a movie just to see
that trailer, like the New Star Wars trailer or whatever,
because they know it's going to be front loaded at
the beginning of whatever big Tin Bowl movie is out.
That's right, And that's usually like the exclusive where you
see it there in the theater for the first time
before even they like put it on TV or something

(12:45):
like that. Yeah, which is really interesting. I mean the
notion of someone buying a ticket to a movie just
to see that trailer. I mean, I would think they
would stay for the movie, but you never know, people
might even leave Noel, which is very strange. Hmm yep,
that's very weird. But I had a couple of questions.

(13:07):
I posted the movie Crushers on the trailer Front and
they really got into it. The first one is very simple, Noll,
what is one movie trailer that you will never forget seeing?
Oh my goodness Blair Blair, Which is a good one
for me because and we've talked about the great viral
campaign they did leading up to that movie. I'll never

(13:30):
forget that movie trailer because it just uh enthralled me
because I was tricked. I was just like, oh my god,
it's a real is it not? So? I remember, like
even the night that I saw that trailer, do you
have one? I can't think of a trailer like that
that that that really blew blew me out of the water.
I mean I wish I could. I'm gonna think about
it as I hear some more from from the from

(13:51):
the Crushers. I'm sure some of these will will trigger
you in a good way. Joe bomb Gardner says Jurassic
Park an adventure sixty million years in the a King.
He says he was fresh off reading the book as
a young teen and seeing the ripples in the water
glass blew my mind. I was gonna say that one actually,
but I couldn't remember what about it was memorable to me,
But that is I definitely distinctly remember that part in

(14:14):
the trailer. You know how they did that water glass trick.
I think most people know this by now, I don't
tell me. Well, they wanted the perfect center out ripple,
as if it's coming from the center, and they they
had a guitar string at the bottom of that glass,
and they were plucking a guitar string. When you say

(14:34):
at the bottom of the glass, you mean some kind
of like like vibrating through the surface that it was, well,
I think they strung it through the bottom of the glass.
You know, they got they built a special glass with
a guitar string through the bottom of the glass as
if it was you know, strung guitar. I see like vertically,
not horizontally vertical, like like attached on the top and

(14:56):
then pulled taught from the bottom and plucked. And then
it makes sense because that's exactly that makes I did
not know that, chuck, And that's fascinating that that that
that's exactly what the fact would do. I think. I
think that's right. This is all from memory. So if
I got it wrong, I'm sorry. But that's really cool.
That's really cool. And it also makes you think like
if they experimented with different string gages and like, because

(15:18):
you know, they really wanted the perfect thing for that
shot because it was such an iconic shot. Um. Linda Baccaleo,
one of our friends, says, easy, thank you for asking
the Watchmen before one of the Batman movies, Deep Cut
Smashing Pumpkin Song is the music definitely helped because as
soon as that came on, all of my senses perked

(15:39):
up and I became immediately entranced with the entire thing. Yeah,
I think, especially if you're a Watchman fan, to see
that come to life. I remember that trailer it was.
It was a big deal. Yeah it was. It was
Eric as Sims says, Lord of the Rings. My sixteen
year old brain was very ready to nerd out on
a well made version of a well of book series. Uh. Also, also,

(16:05):
I was horny and there's some hot guys in it,
and I didn't yet know what to do with that energy.
So I saw this in the theater five times. That's
very cute, Carrie Stones has Transformers transported me back in
time to my childhood, even though it was only a
black screen and a voice. Yeah, that was a big

(16:26):
movie for a lot of people. I mean, it wasn't
very good, But I mean, were you too old for
that stuff? Or was that in your alley? No? I
think that that kind of that kind of passed me by.
Did it really when you were a kid? I just
didn't Maybe it was before your time? Yeah, I don't know. Interesting. Uh,
let me see another Jurassic Park Tony Cox is the Matrix?

(16:49):
Do you remember that one? The Matrix is one that
I remember seeing the poster for that it was coming
and I thought it looked really interesting. But I so again,
I'm not a distinct memory for like, oh, I'm so
excited about the Matrix because of the trailer. Ny says,
it was fourteen watching TV in my bedroom. The trailer
came on. It was so different to anything else i'd seen.

(17:10):
Ran out of the living room and said, Mom, I
think I found a movie we'll all enjoy. It looks amazing. Sure,
I remember that one because it did look different. I
think I remember seeing that that scrolling green stuff, that
code that looked cool, and that got me sort of
right out of the gate. And that was really the
first use of that kind of three sixty bullet time effect,

(17:32):
wasn't it. That really was created that for that movie,
and it got done to death and kind of went away.
I don't. I mean, people don't even do that anymore much,
do they. It's well, it's something that Zack Snyder is
quite fond of. He still does it. I mean, not
the three sixty spin, but just like the hyper slow
mo bullet time, they're they're sort of I'm sort of

(17:54):
combining two tropes. Because the thing that in the Matrix
that was very specific was the spin around where they
have like a ring of cameras that we're all filming.
That technology is so cool. It was so cool and
but the thing is like, once you've seen it in
the Matrix, then you see in other places it almost
starts to feel a little hackney and kind of cliche.
And honestly, I rewatched The Matrix recently and it is

(18:16):
a victim of its own genius by it looking a
little dated now because of that effect. But it's like
that they're the ones who did it, you know, not
to me. I still think it looks good, but that's
just my take. Yeah, total, have you seen the new trailers?
Speaking of trailers for Army of the Dead in Zack Snyder? Wait,
what is this? No, no, no, I don't know what
it is? This like another like it just dropped. It's

(18:36):
a New Dead movie and uh it's Evil Dead or
like like Dead series but has Tig Nataro in it
as as a toughie and the it's a heist zombie movie.
So the idea is that there's this money in Vegas
after the zombie apocalypse that this elite team is of

(18:58):
like former soldiers, has to go get and then fight
off an army of zombies to get it, and it
looks like a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
I like seeing her do that. She's happy, great for it. Man, Like,
she has a really good look for that movie, and
that kind of she's all like loaded down with like

(19:18):
you know, like a bandalro type, you know, like gun cartridges.
What do you call those looks? Very cool? Yeah, that's
the word. That's the word, gun cartridges. I'm clearly not
a gun person. Clearly more of a video game person
than a gun person. Uh. Steve Rothogg says the teaser
for clover Field, that one definitely sold some movie tickets,

(19:39):
even without saying the title of the movie. Yeah, I
remember that. That was a brilliant campaign. I do agree.
Lisa Pollutzi says the Force awakens after the disappointing prequels,
this felt more like the original trilogy. Totally. Yep. That
one gave me chills. Actually, oh boy, I remember this one.
Roger Dodgers says the original Alien was nine or ten.

(20:00):
That teaser came out airing on TV. It scared me
so much. O't run out of the room. Yeah in space,
no one can hear you scream. One of the great taglines.
I think we've talked about that, Chuck. That's one that
just exists so singularly that I never even associated with
a movie. I always thought it was from like a
old episode of the Twilight Zone, like something that had
just been around forever. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great tag

(20:22):
I wonder who wrote that. It's such an art form,
you know, to write a good tagline. Totally. Let me
see Katie Howard clar says Cliffhanger, that awful Stallone movie.
I was twelve when the combination of music and heights
still gives me sweaty palms. I never saw that, did you. No.

(20:43):
I think it's that's one of those movies that it
is what it is. I don't think it pretended to
be high art or anything. Absolutely, but I'm surprised I
didn't see it. Mcmcdonnod says, there will be blood. I
don't think I've ever been more excited to see a
movie after the trailer. That's a good point, because it
had that really a testing Johnny Greenwood choppy like you know,
strings in it, beauty shots and no man so cool.

(21:09):
That's a great trailer. It was also one of the
ones where you're like, I don't quite know what this
is about, but you knew there was some oil involved
a little bit, and it was just like you know,
lots of tense faces and very very well. And it
was Paul Thomas Anderson. If you were already a fan
of him, seeing him dive into a completely different world,
then you had seen him working before this this period.

(21:31):
That would have been his first period piece, which now
kind of is his bread and butter. But that's exactly
what that was, wasn't Yeah, totally. I can't wait for
his new movie. What is it? What do you know
about it? He's going back to the seventies, I think
with um. I think it's a movie about a former
child star actor or something in the valley. I think
he's going back to his roots a bit. It looks great. Oh,

(21:54):
here's a player with the project, Matthew Fober memorable one.
Since it was at the time, we didn't realize it
wasn't really y. Yeah, there wasn't really any precedent for
that kind of found footage movie. Boy, those guys turned
out to be not great filmmakers. Though, what else did
they did they do? And I know there was that
second Blair Witch, but I didn't think they had anything

(22:15):
to do with it, did they? That was our old
pal Joe Berlinger. The documentary filmmaker who I had on
movie Crush, who did the Ted Bundy movie with Zac Efron.
He you know what his claims to shame that he
laughs about now is he made that second Blair Witch
movie and he's a great filmmaker. And he talked a
little bit about why it stunk and how they took

(22:37):
it away from him and he didn't get to do
the movie he wanted to do. And a lot of
times you hear that and you think, yeah, whatever, But
I totally believe Joe because he's a really good filmmaker. Absolutely, no, no,
And I you know, I there were things about that
movie that I liked when I was young. I did
rewatch it more recently and it is quite quite quite bad.
I didn't say, yeah, I saw the Book of Shadows

(22:57):
I remember seeing in the theaters when I was younger. Yeah.
I told Joe I didn't see it, and he was like, good, don't.
Justin Ratliffe says the Shining, Timothy Hendrick says Joker. Yeah,
Joker was a really good trailer. It was it was
simple to write, it didn't give away ship. It was
almost Oh. There's also the thing that there's a style
of trailer where it's like it's its own I guess

(23:18):
that is the teaser where it's very much its own thing,
where they've shot something that really doesn't exist anywhere else
outside this little trailer, you know. Troy Nolan says Independence Day.
So does cat Haven's Witten, and Troy says, I believe
it debut during the Super Bowl one year, and I
remember thinking, holy shit, that looks awesome. But it turned
out to be kind of corny. I didn't really like

(23:39):
that movie much, did you. Oh? I loved it. I
loved it when I was a kid, But I think again,
it's an age thing. You know, you were probably the
right perfect age. I was just the right age. I
I thought it was great. I very much enjoyed it.
All right, we'll finish up this movie. Trailer you're never
gonna forget seeing with Ivy Hutchinson, Hutchinson saying Fury Road.
Oh boy, I remember seeing that trailer, dude, and I

(24:01):
was just absolutely I was so just put it in
my neck, man, and it was great. It lived up
to it. I think I saw that three times in
the theater, dude. I did at least see it twice
in the theater. That one was just an absolute just treasure.
And I don't do that anymore. I don't go see
movies more than once in the theater because my time
is so limited for for movie going. But I did

(24:22):
and it was worth it. Yeah, I do it. You know,
it's got to be a real hum dinger, as Lucy
all Ball would say, hum dinger, all right now, and
then we're gonna move on to this what And this
is sort of along the same lines as those movie
trailers that that might pump up one character who's not

(24:45):
even in it. What movie trailer totally misled you, because
that can happen in terms of a twist, well, in
terms of a lot of stuff. And I think the
crushers get it because this is sort of I've been
reading through these they sort of encapsulate the different ways
in which you can be misled. Ian Bowers's Drive. It
marketed itself like a fast and furious clone. Yeah yah

(25:08):
ya ya, yeah uh And it was not that. No,
it was not that. And and and sometimes that can absolutely backfire, right,
you know, like it can like like that movie Mother
for example, which was then seen that I fucking loved it. Um.
It is a difficult movie. It is what many would
probably consider very art cy and pretentious, but I just

(25:31):
found it very arresting and it like really took my
breath away, literally, and it's just it goes places that
you're not expecting and it really goes their heart. But
it was marketed like a thriller, right, and it is
not that at all. It is a high art very
um what's the word, almost like a like a parable
like where like an allegorical kind of thing where there's
stock characters that represent different things. It is not what

(25:53):
it looked like at all. Mother, And it pissed people
off because it was looking like, oh, from the creator
of this other kind of edgy movie Dream or whatever,
Requiem for a Dream comes Mother, an exercise and Terror
more or less interesting. It's just one of those movies.
I never got around to you. Yeah, I recommend it.
Uh Adam had Dad says the trailer for the first

(26:14):
Suicide Squad. Whoever edited that should totally be the go
to trailer editor for all movies because it looked like
it was gonna be awesome and it was a horrible mess. Yeah,
Suicide Squad look great in that trailer. I didn't see
the movie though. It's such a fun concept and the
characters are neat. I I hold out hope for the
new one, um, because yeah, there there's something there, but

(26:37):
that one just it was just a mess. It was
like it felt like it was made by committee and
that like they had to have rush a bunch of
things and make things into montages that were never meant
to be and just like like it just covered it
with music because clearly they were using that to cover
edits and time jumps and things. It was just, you know,
very clearly a real mess. Uh. One of our oldest friends,

(26:58):
Minal Data says and I la san poorly marketed as
an action movie, but luckily I ended up loving it
as another sci fi hit from Alex Garland. I loved Annihilation.
I thought it was killer. I thought it was fantastic,
and anything Alex Garland does I'm down for. Yeah, that's
a multi part thing though the books, right, Annihilation, that's

(27:21):
one part of several part book series, if I'm not mistaken, um.
And I think the movie maybe didn't do well enough
to justify making more. Probably I don't think it was
a big hit, and I think it was a bit
of miss marketing. I don't think I think it did
look like sort of like Predator or something. And it's
not that it's not. It's another one that gets very

(27:43):
high art and surreal. But I thought one things I
lead about that movie was the set design and like
all of the like weird fungus kind of textures and stuff. Yeah,
it was really. Here's the thing though, man, if you
know your filmmakers, Like if you're just a regular sort
of average movie goer who doesn't pay attention that much
to filmmakers and stuff, you might get full. But if

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you know, like who Alex Garland is or who was
it that did drive um oh oh, Nicholas winding Refin. Yeah,
like you know, he's not going to make a fast
and furious movie. Uh so you should be suspicious of
those trailers, you know what I mean? Right, you know,

(28:24):
I agree. But that's the thing though. Those trailers are
designed to trick the Norman's you know, and and the
But to me, that's why it'll backfire, because then of
course they're going to shoot all over because it does
not She's going to go down and furious. Jordan Wang
says every movie trailer is misleading by the very nature
of what advertisers are trying to do. I don't know

(28:46):
if I agree with that. Jordan's um, they're trying to
sell a movie, and I don't I think sometimes they
I feel like they have to mislead. But I don't
think every movie trailer is misleading, do you, No, I
don't think so. I think, like I said this, We've
been talking about this whole time. I think some of
them do it justice. It's an art to it because
you don't want to spoil it, you don't want to mislead,
and you don't want to bore people either. So there's

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like you really had enough fine line between all those things,
all right. But Jordan does say Cabin in the Woods
was one of the most egregious of these. I think
that was purposeful. I think they wanted to sort of
hould wink you for Cabin in the Woods because you
can't you can't give away anything in that trailer because
the whole thing is about that twist is the thing? Right. Yeah.

(29:28):
I saw that again not too long ago, and it's
a very fun movie. It really truly is. David Rumor
says Overlord seemed like a badass to a World War
two movie. Sure, Yeah, they didn't show a lot of
the horror movie imagery in the trailer. Did you see Overlord?

(29:49):
I loved it. I did see if that's the Nazi
movie that kind of pivots right, It's it's sort of
like starts out one way and then like all of
a sudden, it's this other thing. Yeah, I don't know
about loved it. I quite enjoyed it, though. Jonathan Cooley says,
I'm gonna go with Scream totally thrown off by Drew
Barrymore not being the lead. Well, that was very much
purposeful too, pulled the rug out from underneath you. Yeah,

(30:11):
and it's obviously a nod to Janet Lee, you know,
being bumped off in Psycho so quickly being a big star.
Spoilers Noel for Psycho. I'm just kidding, boy, that was
an eye roll and a half that I just got.
Uh No, it's just I've get to get yelled at
for spoilers. But I think there should be a statute
of limitations. Here's what I haven't seen yet and a

(30:31):
shresths one of our old friends says the Art of
Self Defense trailer looked like a fun black comedy with
Jesse Eisenberg. It was a really fucking dark, weird and
disturbing film. I didn't see that. I think because of
the trailer. I can see either. I need to check
that out. It's supposed to be good. A Lisa Adams says,
Silver Linings Playbook trailer made it seem way more of

(30:53):
a comedy than it was. I liked it, but it
was not what I expected. Yeah, I could agree with that.
Oh here we go, No with the Mother the good,
David Gooch, This trailer made it look like a psychological
horror thriller. Instead, it was a weird dream like Bible parable.
You said it, Yeah, I did, I did. I gotta
see that movie. Why do people hate it because of

(31:16):
a lot of a lot of it is because of
the feeling mislead. I believe, you know, if you go
into something expecting one thing and then you get something
the polar opposite, you're gonna be You're gonna feel, you know,
manipulated in some way. I think, Well, Jonathan Cooley when
a world friend says, uh, David Gooch, I hated this
almost as much as I hated Midsummer Interesting and coolly

(31:37):
rewatched Midsummer and hated it. More just wasn't for him
that happens. I want to rewatch Midsummer I have not
done so yet. You saw the first one first time,
and we talked about it, but I really want to
rewatch it as well. I recommended I liked it better
the second time. Kate kittleson Marley and Me unbelievable bait
and switch. I would not have watched it if I
knew the truth going in, because it's sad times, right. Yeah,

(32:02):
Emily and I watched Marley and Me until the scene
because you know, we're big, big dog people, and we
watched the scene until um it was like, Mommy, why
are Marley's legs buckling? And then turned it off and went,
well that was good. Yeah, we certainly enjoyed the first
hour of that movie. Animal sads are the most triggering

(32:25):
of sads. Yeah, Animal and kids SAIDs I can't do
that kids stuff, man give me like uh Florida project
or Beasts of the Southern wild Man. That stuff just
rerects me. Hmm. Hans Bronzel says Hereditary remember seeing the trailer,
not being interested enough to see it in theaters. Fast
forward about a year. I picked it up on Blue

(32:46):
Ray to flea market for cheap and I tried out
Mother of God. That movie twisted my stomach around so
much I couldn't finish it until the next day. One
of my favorite horror movies. I actually think the trailer
was really successful. It made really good use of that sound,
and he used it to ratchet up the tension, and
you see her do it once, and you keep hearing it,
and they keep adding reverb to it, and it gets

(33:07):
like just more and more weird and kind of like
trippy sounding. Um. I thought that was a very good trailer. Actually,
how do you too? Robbie Pools is the Matrix fooled
him because he thought it was some alien invasion, superheroes
save the World thing going on. Yeah, I guess you
could see how that could have been. You could be
misled by that. Jason Lewis's Gods Lewis's Kong, I expected

(33:32):
a bit more in the beginning. It felt like it
was trying to hide them in plain sight. Compared to
the trailer. I don't understand. How can you be confused
about what that movie is going to be about? Like, well,
I mean, he's I don't know, he just says a
I don't know. He says he feels like that they
were trying to hide the monsters too much in the movie.
I disagree. I thought they were like just trotting them out.

(33:56):
They were like, I mean, it was really the focus
of the movie for me, um in a way that
was very self aware, and I appreciate it. You know,
there was a lot of big monster bashes. I can't wait,
I'm all about it, Wendy White's Shawshank Redemption. I totally
had no idea what the movie was about, and I
hadn't read the book yet. M hmm. Yeah, I mean,
I I don't remember what the trailer was, like, it's

(34:17):
been too long, but obviously love that movie. Sam Comber
says a trailer to adventure Land made it seem like
super Bad and an amusement park, and it very very
ain't that. I really enjoyed adventure Land. Did you see
that movie? I did. It's a very sweet, kind of
coming of age type thing, almost right. I loved it. Yeah,
I thought it was really good and very underseen. Yeah,

(34:39):
exactly one of Kristen Stewart's lesser known but I think
better performances. In my mind. I was just like, is
Kristin Stewart in that she is isn't her? And Jesse
Eisenberg it absolutely is not. Yes, it is Okay, I
was losing it, Yeah she was. She was really good
in that. Maybe that's why I don't remember. Ryan Reynolds

(35:02):
was in at Martin Starr, Bill Hayter and Kristen Wegg.
Where the Yeah, Where the Bosses. It was a really
good movie. M all right, Let's do a couple of
more here. Eternal Sunshine from Leam Butler trailer head Mr.
Blue Sky playing all the way through was really a beat.
The trailer played at as a very typical Jim Carrey comedy. Yeah.
I think that happens a lot, especially when you have
a Jim Carrey doing something large different. They're gonna be like,

(35:25):
we got we we got Jim Carey. We can't squander
this Jim Carey opportunity. Totally, totally, totally Uh. Former and
future guest Cole Stratton, one of our old pals, who
is I love it that coal was so active here
on the on the board, he said the Twister trailer,
when that tire hurdles at the viewer, which wasn't in
the movie, that's the first cinema bait and switch. I

(35:46):
can remember being perplexed by you remember that what hurdles
that the viewer the tire at the very end of
the Uh. And my old buddy Ward Jenkins, he was
one of my brother's good friends in high school. He
I didn't know, Uh he was a crusher, so welcome.
But he also says Twister because he worked in the
theater at the time, and he said Twister is the

(36:08):
first trailer that he remembers that had that stinger at
the end, like where you think the trailer is over
and then you get that last thing. And I think
he might be right. I don't remember any other movie
before Twister. And he even posted the trailer and I
rewatched it and I was like, yeah, man, that Twister
trailer was great. And at the very end, it gives
that stinger of a truck being flipped in an attire,

(36:31):
coming right at the camera, kind of crashing through the windshield.
And that was not in the movie. And that's what
I was talking about earlier. Sometimes they're using footage that
they do not use in the film itself. That is
very interesting example. But now you're right that little you
know fake out where it's like you even see no,
I know what it is. It is usually after the
title comes up, but before the final like um, you know,

(36:56):
freeze frame of the credits basically you know what I
mean at the very end. Yeah, mean, if you haven't noticed,
trailers are very of the moment, like everyone does sort
of the same thing for a while, kind of like
movie posters. It becomes sort of the way you're doing
it for a time, and then it switches and there's
sort of a new thing that you do for a while,
and those those stings became very much a part of

(37:19):
sort of the modern trailer thing. I think it can
be effective. I think it can be too. You kind
of wait on them now though, and sometimes they don't happen,
especially in the horror movie ones, like you're like, all right,
what's gonna happen here at the end? Is the girl
going to come out of the closet with a knife screaming? Yeah?
But then it's like it's like subverting the subversion of
the expectation, Yeah, exactly, Like everyone knows that they're waiting

(37:42):
all right, No, well that's gonna wrap this one up
our little movie or owed two movie trailers and uh,
there's a lot of fun. I'm doing a little steamer
every now and then. I love it too, and I
want to say, uh, kudos to people that really treat
this like an art for them. You can definitely tell
the difference, you know what I mean when one is
made by committee or it's like you know, clearly designed

(38:03):
to mislead, but like a really good movie trailer is
a lovely thing. I think, yeah, And I think the
misleading ones, especially like with Drive, is when the studio
knows we got some art house garbage that no, you can't.
You gotta sell it as something else just for that
first weekend. We gotta get some asses in the seats
to try and make some of our money back. And

(38:24):
then the filmmakers, I'm sure hate that. You know, they're
really like the Paul Thomas Anderson's they have trailer control too. Huh.
That's and that's that's why we talked so much about
that there will be blood trailer because of in and
of itself, is uh an absolute little little mini work
of art. Totally absolutely all right, good stuff everyone, Thanks
for chiming in, and thank you Noel for everything that

(38:46):
you do for this show. But just as a human
in the world. Hey man, YouTube brother and I appreciate
it all right, We'll see you all next week. Movie Crash.
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