BONUS EP: 'Avengers: Endgame' Review **SPOILERS**

Dani and Ify are joined by Culture Critic Joelle Monique to discuss Avengers: Endgame!

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, and welcome to a special edition of Nerdificent. We
are going to be covering Endgame. So if you haven't
seen Avengers Endgame, you might want to not listen to
this episode on Endgame. I am one half of your
Hostdanny fernandezon sitting across from me. Yeah, if you want
away ready to talk about in game. I know you

(00:31):
really wanted to talk about this last week. Yeah, like
I was just excited for people to know it's about
to happen. And we are joined by pop culture critic.
You have seen her words on Playboy Polygone The Hollywood
Reporter teen Vogue. She was here for our Captain Marvel episode.
It is Joel Monique. O, what's up. I'm so excited

(00:53):
to talk about this movie critic. Yes, you've been through
it for a few We did Aunt Man in the
Wash Marvel. Yeah, we've did all the movies after Infinity
War up until it's true I mean your Marvel person,
and I feel really special about that. Yeah, so when
I have many times have you have you seen it

(01:15):
once now? Or I have seen it once? Okay, but
it was a lasting experience and I haven't talked about
I haven't stopped talking about it since like even Game
of Thrones day, I was still talking about Avengers. So
I feel good about it. I know it really sat
I mean it also sat with me as well. It
was something that honestly, even though it was three hours,
didn't feel like it not at all, didn't feel like

(01:37):
three hours. UM. So I guess we could just dive
right into it. How did you feel? How did you
feel about it? Compared to all the other m c
U films. So I went back and watched most of
the m c U films before, and then every film
that was very specifically inside of this film I watched
again afterwards, and I felt, so this movie has we're

(02:02):
wrapping up so many storylines that it has like this
very like lovely prominent place, like it's the end of
like the Great Tony Stark, like um emotional daddy drama saga,
and then also you get the end of Captain Marvel's
like sacrificial journey. Um. But in the same way that

(02:23):
I feel like Ultron left people with a lot of questions,
this movie left me with a lot of questions. However,
I will say I rewatched Ultron and I have those
questions anymore because Ultron is setting up questions to be
answered later. It's hard to judge a series in the middle,
like as an end of a chapter, you're like so good,
Like I feel like we got where we needed to be,

(02:43):
you know, have questions about some of the deaths, but
overall it's like, you know, this is a really solid
place to land. Um, we'll have to see where they
pick up some of the strands some of the questions later.
It's hard to sort of judge the film in a
series when you don't know how it's going to end.
I think it did a great job closing the book
on just kind of the the original MCU crew, like

(03:08):
you know, Cat you know, wrapped that story, which is
was beautiful to me as a fan of the comics
because that doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics,
Cap just keeps fighting, you never he he never gets
that back. So for him to be able to get
that back in the movies was like an extra surprise
it didn't see coming, uh, and that it makes sense
for him to rest the decision Captain in America to

(03:29):
make Iron Man, you know, finally getting wrapped up, which
you know was great. I think I called that, I
said they were both couldn't die. I mean, they both
didn't die, but they both kind of got wrapped, their
stories wrapped. And you know, it seems like they're gonna
kind of bunch thor with Guardians maybe, which is which
is the interesting thing? Uh Black Widow Dad, I think

(03:50):
she's gone. I think they they smoked her. The the
movie that's on the docket as a prequel, Like that's
so they're just gonna do the prequel. It it does
seem to do a prequel, yes, but I mean I
feel like a prequel coming after time travel, knowing that
the zones soul stone is an exchange, and that Captain

(04:11):
went to place all the stones back exactly where they
picked them up, she could easily pop back up. I
just don't think that it's necessary, though sometimes I feel
I sometimes I feel like it's okay too. It's like
real life. It's okay sometimes to retire or lose our heroes.
That happened in real life. We lose people that we
care about in real life. And um, it's funny that

(04:33):
you I know that you wrote for um Playboy. I
just wrote a thing, a piece for them on how
Endgame tackles failure. And mortality and mainly how I when
I watched this movie, I watched it as someone that
has depression, seeing how they were put into this bleak
world where they suddenly found themselves purposeless. They suddenly had

(04:56):
no purpose anymore. They were so lost and didn't did
know how to carry How do you carry on when
you feel like you have no more purpose? How do
you carry on after grief? How do you carry on
after loss? And so that to me when I walked
out and everyone's like, how do you like? How did
you like it? And to me it was like, oh
my gosh, it spoke to me from that place of
it was the most vulnerable I had ever seen them.

(05:19):
That to me is decide that I that I wanted
to see And yeah, they've all we've had Lost and
other and other films, but this was the first time
where it was really like this might not work out.
A five year jump is what really kind of screws
with your head at the beginning, because at first it's like, Okay,
well we're picking up and we're gonna find oh, like
there's nothing. That was a great moment, and there were

(05:42):
just lots of good bread crumbs within all that be
like you know Cap saying how he this is a
second loss firm because he had that loss, and it
really did. There were a lot of setups that were great.
There was some little heavy handed like I don't think
Tony Stark needed to say and don't die in the process.
It was like, all right, this is this is but
but I always say those ones are for the people

(06:02):
in the back or what's gonna happen. It's like, oh uh,
there's something that's been making ways recently that didn't ping
for me. But it seems like a lot of people
feel a certain way and it's about fat thor I
love person. I love that that's and that's my thing too,
is like you know, I saw no problem because they

(06:23):
didn't have any fat jokes. And then at the end
of the like really him being fat felt like it
was an effect of his like depression which he had.
He was depressed because he felt that he couldn't save people.
And then when he gets good, he doesn't get skinny.
It's not like he gets lightning zapp his body and

(06:44):
then they're saying like, oh, fat is depressed. It just
was an effect of it, and he just was totally
He gets to say the line like I'm still worthy
while he's fat, Like he gets his back, like it's
not and it's not anything that anybody makes fun of
him for, you know, they're mostly just concerned about like
so you're drinking a lot and that needs you to
come back to earth and like that's your job. I

(07:05):
pointed that out in Candy Dinner, that there there was
no like direct fat jokes. It was just all his
drinking like that's and yet like there seems to be
this big, you know thing, and I can't control how
anybody feels about it. But it gets to the point
where it's like people are kind of like, you know,
him being fat as a fat joke, as like at
some point it's like you're almost like not allowing people

(07:29):
to show people larger on screen. I don't know. I
split hairs with it and say this, On the one hand,
like you have to be media literate, you need to
like look at things and see like how they're portraying
it and and to that effect, like no, I I
personally don't think that anybody's making fun of Thor's body.
On the other hand, I know there's a lot of
frustration as we watch a lot of very thin people

(07:51):
put on body suits and portray fat people. And there
are a lot of factors who could be doing these roles. Um,
this is not one of them, though, Like we couldn't
replace You're not gonna this is never gonna happen. So,
um did the body Sily greet? No, we don't see
a lot of fat bodies. I think we're still trying
to figure out how to portray them in a way
that with dignity essentially and not play it for jokes.

(08:11):
They got pretty close for for someone who hit to
eighty and hit two eighty muscular, that was that was
one thing that people are like, oh, that looks weird.
It's like, no, that's like I have a picture in
my phone of my body looking but look kind of plastic.
That I feel like that's just the limitations of like
the Uncanny Valley with like we make alien faces, we

(08:34):
should be able to make believable that. I think. I
think he the one that I've saw people point out
was that his mom told him to eat a salad.
You know, at some she was, I can please an
a salad, but for me also he just she said
like when she looks at him, because he is depressed.
Like you said, if he's intoxicated, he is has become
an alcoholic, like he as someone that has depression. He

(08:56):
hasn't showered like and so to me, it's almost like
she when she cresses his face and she's like, you know,
the future hasn't been good to you. I think she's
just looking at the hardship that he is, you know,
not necessarily his body, but just him as like your
soul has been crushed. You're intoxicated. My child here is
like severely depressed, you know, like please take care of yourself.

(09:17):
I think like that might be the commentary more there.
It's a very mom thing to say, like take care
of yourself, please don't down a bunch of corps. Like
it certainly wasn't like, oh my god, no one's gonna
love him still, And the thing was that she still,
she loved him so much. She knew like this is
my son, you know, and you're not and you would
never you know. It was interesting because she did say

(09:38):
you are a failure, but and he was like that's harsh.
But it was so fascinating the way that it's like
it's okay to fail. It's okay to fail you know,
that doesn't mean you're not worthy, and that's why when
he reached for Milnoir, he was still able to get
it like you are still valid definitely. I mean, like
I think I've made this comment before, like aren't always

(10:00):
is going to affect people differently. People are gonna get
it differently, and you know, no one knows the intent,
and you just sometimes you just see something a certain
way and you know that's how you feel about and
I can't argue that. But that did kind of like
shake me a bit because I I think it shook
me more, like maybe it feels something that I just
was like hunt and moved. I think it shook me

(10:21):
more because I came out of it thinking like, oh
they they did a good job with not doing the
hacky thing and really kind of really letting it be
the effect of his depression and not have it. But
I think Joel just knocked it out the park on that,
uh story wise, you know, yeah, I think just hidden,
like everyone said, didn't feel like three hours. It really

(10:42):
just flowed. It kept giving us everything we needed, and
as a like finale to eleven years of movies, I
gotta say I love that, just like as a writer.
It was kind of like almost just storytelling point that
you ind the you You go back to one of

(11:04):
the most prolific moments in The Avengers two thousand twelve
The New York when we first meet the Avengers and
we just have essentially these developed characters, but like having
Steve Rogers from two thousand twelve fights Steve Rogers now
so you can actively see but the way they tease
like this isn't like I talked to a bunch of

(11:27):
people who are like, well, I've seen all the movies
and I still feel them like this is a movie
designed for people who watch these movies like six times,
because the little like when Steve gets in the elevator
and you're like, are we gonna point to they build
that tension for fans of being like, we know what
you want to see. Now he learned his lesson. It's
just a simple hale Hydra and he thought. I was like,
this is so effing good. And a thousand little moments

(11:50):
like that word like one of the coming. One of
my favorite things was getting to see Bruce first, like
how much the Hulk has changed? He out of every one,
I would say him and Nebula's story arc are my favorite.
Like Bruce so to have the fact that he went
back in that time when we first saw the Avengers,
and now he has rectified this part of himself that

(12:12):
he hated so much that he has now learned to
live with and and seeing as now a strength something
that he and I don't know if you remember, in
the first Avengers he actually said that he tried to
kill himself. I mean, that's really dark. He says that
he shot a bullet in his mouth and that the
whole spit it out. And now, um, there's a scene
it's so it's so pretty where nat is like you

(12:33):
know where Natasha where Black Widow, where he Um, Bruce
is nervous about the time travel and she says, well, um,
you did this. And she's talking about him being able
to be Bruce and the Hulk at the same time,
and she says, I remember a time when that was
almost impossible. And so for me it's like, oh my gosh,
the fact that this man has finally been able this
like tormented soul has finally been able to come to

(12:56):
terms and like be both of these things at the
same time, and you're really able to see that by
these flashbacks, like how how much of our heroes have evolved. Well, also,
it's great because it's just such a metaphor with so
many things where you try and fight this part of you,
just try and fight you use like I want to be,
not this I this part of me I don't want

(13:18):
to be. And finally learning to love that part of
yourself and be one with it and see how it
complements you as a human. That is just a beautiful
message within itself. And I mean this The time stuff
was real cool, mostly because the pacing of it was great.
We got the fun of the two thousand and twelve

(13:38):
and then we almost forget that they went to Vormier
Vormier or with Vormier. Yeah, we almost forget. They time
it so perfectly for it to be the last one.
We forget the one thing that they taught us about
Vormier in the last movie, because we had all this
stuff happened. And then you see red Skull and you're like, oh,

(14:00):
oh no, see I didn't forget and I knew immediately.
So one of these two people is going to have
to die. And I feel like it is really challenging
because like if we look at the way um Houlka
like Hulk is the exact opposite mental space as literally
everyone else. The writers did a really great interview with

(14:20):
The New York Times where they took everybody's like most
pressing questions asked the writers and they responded. So one
of them was talking about, like, you know, when did
you guys decide to take this route with the Hulk
because his story he hasn't had a solo story. It's
chopped up amongst like about four different stories to make
this arc happen for him. And if you remember any
trailers for Infinity Wars, you have Hulk in the Hulk

(14:41):
Buster running around instead of just Bruce Banner inside of
the Hulk Bolster with his tiny head, giant metal body
thing going on. Originally they were going to put that
storyline at the end of this movie, at the end
of Infinity Wars. He was going to have that transformation
and be kind of like reached this equilibrium. Then the
snap would have happened, and then we would have come
back here, but she wouldn't given his character a lot

(15:01):
to do. So it's really smart of them to put
it here. I really wish we had had more of
that formation, that thought process with Nat who was also
a character who has yet to have a solo movie,
who hasn't had her story really spread out, She hasn't
had a great arc across Like you're introduced to her
in uh iron Man Too, Tony hires her as an assistant.
Then you know she's in Avengers and we get a

(15:22):
lot more of her backstory. We get a little bit
of a teaser of like what her life was like
in Ultron. Then she's kind of hanging out with Cap
and being like, you should date again, that would be
fun for you, right, and we hear kicked total ass,
which is awesome. Nothing happens to her and all this time,
and the writer said that in this one, she's supposed
to be reclusive. Did you get that kind of I

(15:43):
mean she did. I felt like she has out of everyone,
she's the one that had her walls up, that she
she felt like she had to remain strong because remember,
like it was clear everybody was like are you okay?
Everyone kept like, you know, like checking in on her
and for and I remember there was a scene where
Cap was like she was like if I don't do this,
who's going to do this? And he was like, maybe
no one needs to do this, you know, And for

(16:05):
me it was just like she I know what you're
saying though, and I feel like, um should I just
lost my train of thought, but um, I soon say.
As they've explored other like mental disorders or disabilities, and
and they've explored them so well in such a short
amount of time, agoraphobia is presented in a lot of

(16:27):
different ways, and they sort of hinted at it, but again,
they didn't give not anything to do. They had all
these characters sort of reacting to her. But I'm sorry, yeah,
no not but like, let's see her try to maybe
go after Clan because that's the only really clue I
got was when they're like, someone's going should go after
him and I'm like, well, it's name was like something
back what I should be able to take care of
pretty easily. Like that's sort of how they met. It's

(16:47):
weird that she's not doing it, but it to me,
it never got to that again, that fully fleshed out point.
And I feel like that's her whole problem in the
entire saga Infinity saga is that we never get to
know her as a person. Well, I was going to say.
One of the saddest scenes when she does pass and
and Cap it was like, how do your friends not
even know you? Because Cap was like does she have
any family? And they said, yeah, us And I was

(17:10):
just like, how do you not know if she has?
But that I mean it did up in that with
the soul Stone when Clint says something about her dad's
name and she's like, I didn't know it, you know,
So it's clear that she I know what you're saying.
It seems like maybe she was the one that she
didn't really get. Her death is probably one of the
saddest because it was like she didn't really get to

(17:33):
reconcile a lot of that or you know, the funeral.
I feel like the I kind of feel the same
way there. But now it's kind of fun now now
that you pointed out that exchange thing and she might
be back. I'm like, oh, that that's a good point.
But there is like that element where I was hoping
Clint would go because I'm like, Clint is wrapped up.

(17:53):
He had his rown in. We showed how cool he is.
He has you know, his family. Yeah, they're gone, they'll
be they'll be fine, you know. It's so like so
like when it was like her getting smoked, it was
because I was like, damn that, even though we did
get more back before, before we got that moment, uh,

(18:14):
that real moment of having her back, I was like, damn,
we lost two women in this same thing. Um, but
you know that, you know, I totally forget that when
we have that super you know, dope woman moment uh
in the final battle, which I was like, oh y'all,
y'all did it like it was like when it was
when it went super fan service E And I was like,

(18:36):
oh man, I don't care how many people are going
to complain online about this. This is what I needed
is just seeing all of this action pop off and
then just that anime style fight with Captain Marvel and
Than I was just the anime like I'm a headbutt
you was like, that didn't do anything. But then also
that I thought it was a cool sequence of even

(18:58):
than I was doing the switch up of grabbing the
power stone to punch her like he needs. Yeah, it's
just so much the fight sequence all that. Uh. Yeah,
this was you know, big big moments if you if
you have a daughter, man that they really came at you.
It was like boom right at the top with Scott
Lang and his daughters like ouch boom. Then you see

(19:18):
Iron Man with his daughter's like oh this moment, ouch boom.
Then you get the moment, uh you know Clint when
he misses his daughter out just back to bed and
his daughter on you just oh, kill me now, like
how how how do you miss it? How do you
miss And you tore her literally apart like it was crazy.

(19:38):
But to go back to your earlier point about like
the female and how like just Gimla Wilson is really
that doll? If you is probably inappropriate to call her,
but I'm so sorry. But she she was awesome. Uh.
She created the eight Fource, which is the all female
Marvel team Super Dope. She Hulk has a really prominent
role in a lot of characters that we haven't yet
gotten to in the Marvel universe. But seeing these women

(20:00):
that we've been like traveling with, and especially you kind
of got like a little moment of this Infinity War
with the Natalie Adkia fight scene. Um, no Scarlett Witch
fight scene, but here like seeing all like six eight
of them like just tearing ship down. It was amazing.
They were wonderful. I would see that moment, like I

(20:21):
really just want to see the fight over and over again.
I mean, just that mom We're like, Scarlet Witch is
straight up about to murder who you are? Just he
was about to die. He was about to die until
it and but it was so funny because like this
is where the nerve brain gets in my way again,
because I'm like, you're still so much stronger in the comets.

(20:44):
You can literally be you. You can snap without at
which is why they didn't do it in the movies,
because that's that's what they do an X men. They
make their women too powerful and then they have to come.
They're always like, oh man, we made the too powerful,
we have to kill them. But I feel like the
cool thing about the way the m c you set

(21:05):
up is that we could get that snap eventually, Like yeah,
give it like ten to fifty Scarlett Witch, Okay, that's
at one point, and it eliminates like all of everybody
with the ex GENA. Yeah, she she doesn't even she
says no more mutants, just speaks the word and no

(21:26):
more mutants, and almost all of mutants are so good.
Read House of Him if you haven't read it, yet
it leads up to that it's so good because it
and that's kind of why, like everyone's like, I don't
know why you need the X Men, uh, but like
the stuff like House of Him and Avengers versus x
Men is you have these two super teams like so far,

(21:46):
and what we've learned in this movie is the Avengers
go uncontested, but in a world where X Men exists,
there's a whole another team that if they feel like
the Avengers step outline could go toe to toe with him.
And that's what House of m was about, is want
of maximum off. She has this break from reality and
just like, yo, we gotta do something about that, and

(22:10):
we have to kill someone. And they're basically having this
discussion of whether or not to kill her in the
X Men or like, she's our people, so this is
our decision and they're having this fight, and the fight
eventually it's it's it's very beautiful. It's the rising tensions
with that pisses Wanda off so much that she's just
like you you all these problems and everyone's trying to

(22:31):
have control over her. It's like, like, really looking back
on it, it's really just a kind of interesting look
like she's just tired of all these like people in
her life trying to tell her what to do, and
she's like, no more mutants and people lose their powers.
I want to say it was so I think. I
was like, yeah, I think that they're going to introduce
new characters. And then when I saw the roster, like
when that final scene happened, of just how many characters

(22:53):
they had to bring back to really wrap this up,
I'm like, oh, yeah, so it makes sense that they
didn't introduce and because like maybe they'll I didn't. I
don't know, maybe one of the new Avengers, like maybe
I don't know who at the times, don't bring back
Quick Silver, who we really need, Yeah, Aaron Taylor Johnson
back to them. But I wasn't even like, I don't know,
maybe America Chavis will show up in here. They're trying
to get more you know, um, queer representation, and I

(23:16):
was like maybe, And I just now when I looked
at the whole I was like, I don't think they
were going to do that in endgame. Being unrightfully dragged
by Hector in our previous U episode when he pointed
out I was complaining about the civil war fight. This
is what I wanted. That fight when they rushed towards
each other looked like a comic book spread. I was like,

(23:36):
this is it. I almost like I had all those
dad tears and I almost burst into tears of just
pure nerd happiness, because you know, you're the theater of
your mind when you read these comics, you make something
so exciting when you see these pictures come to life
in your head, and you would think, you're like, this
would be so cool as a movie, but they would

(23:57):
never be able to do it. And to see it,
like to think ten years ago that Fanos like like, look,
I know Fanos is a household dame now, but Thanos,
even in comics, was this cosmic level hero. Like I
was explaining like the levels to like Marvel heroes to
someone because they're because I was like, it's crazy because

(24:17):
Thanos is a cosmic hero and they're like, what, cousin.
I was like, oh, yeah, no, you have cosmic Marvel.
That's all space stuff. I was like, you get a
taste of that from Guardians, but there's a whole level
of that. Then you got your Avengers level, and then
you got your street level, which was cool because they
were building it out with all their Netflix shows. You
had your street level heroes, then you had the Defenders,
and now we're gonna see what happens with that. You know, uh,

(24:38):
Disney Plus in five years, so totally in a different form.
But Disney Plus about to take over well, and I
guess now Sony too, because um, Chris Miller and Philip
Lord are now doing Marvel TV series with Sony. Yeah,
they just create like a nine figure deal. I'm hearing
rumors that there's gonna be starting whole new departments of
things over there for that. It's going to be wild.

(24:59):
I'm so cited. But like, looking to your earlier point
about introducing new characters, when Peter went back to high school,
I swear I was looking for Kamalic, like where are you?
Maybe she's start. Well, I feel like they've really started
to establish a group of young people you can start
taking the lead in the next arc. So it'll be
interesting to see. Well, that's what I feel like Monica

(25:24):
Rambo was. That's what I feel like she's going to be.
When they introduced her, I mean she has to be
five year time jump to yeah, because she's she's an
adult now it's been If it was the nineties, then
she would be we have to take a really quick break.
We're going to hop back into endgame in just a minute,

(25:48):
and we're back. Yeah. So I also loved seeing um
that moment between Peter Parker and Tony Start. That was
another two your moment for me. And honestly getting to
have Pepper have her moment in the suit, like truly
loved having Rescue finally show up. That was beautiful. I

(26:11):
mean there was so much, oh my gosh, there was
so much just dope moments sprinkled in, but I think
rescue is one of the biggest moments because I remember
that meme going around before the movie where they're like,
what is Pepper Pot's going to do? Because yeah, up
until this point, we've totally forgot about Rescue if you
think about how long ago Iron Man three was, so

(26:31):
for her to show up, it's like, I'm gonna show
y'all what I'm gonna do. Yeah, They're like dual moment
on the battlefield was really dope. That was beautiful. I
like the door combo with Iron Man's suit, and of
course the scene that everybody can't stop talking about the
scene that I was at the press screen and you
know how I have you know how people try and

(26:53):
be there. I was there at one okay, I was
at the nine o'clock. But you know, you know how
people at press green is trying to be all professional.
They never never laugh. That did not happen at this
because in mind, there was no like all the funny moments.
There was just like like really, yeah, there was a

(27:15):
dude next to me clacking loud on his keyboard like
it was like straight up, yeah, you're typing the reveal
in the movie. Yes, yeah, so but everyone's trying to
be professional. When I say Cap got that hammer and
everyone just erupted, it just made it more I'm glad
people were trying to keep it together because it made
that more powerful. That everyone forgot that they were trying to,

(27:38):
you know, out here trying to pretend like they're professional.
We went wild. Cap grabbing the hammer is something It's
crazy to me because I feel like I'm working on
article right now about what changed and Cap that made
him worthy to carry the hammer versus in a vender's wine.
When they all tried to pick up the ham, right,
it was only Thor who was worthy, which sort of
makes Thor like the only pure hero from the start,

(28:01):
which really changed your perspective, Like Thor changed so much
from Ragnarok to write the f now that I feel
like there's so much more. The character has blossomed so
beautifully into himself. And now we've had three people carry
the hammer, Thor Captain America, and then Vision carrying it
for a brief moment in Ultron. I think, Um, so

(28:23):
what what what is your If you don't mind what changed?
What do you think changed? He was honest with Tony
the fact because he knew about Um the Winter Soldier
and killing Tony's parents, and so he was lying and
keeping a secret. And I think that I'm not even
sure if the Hammer had a problem with it, but
I think the Cap had a problem with it, and

(28:44):
could would never have seen himself truly worthy Um because
it was the only it was his only secret from
the Avengers. It was really his only betrayal of the
Avengers ever, and every time after that he's just very
straightforward with him. It literally caused the Civil War between that,
so that was mess. I think him coming clean about that,
him kind of restoring things with Bucky, which we'll get
to that in a minute. I think that his conscience

(29:08):
is clear and he's good to move forward now. Nice
I felt it was. My thought was that he's prideful.
I feel like, yeah, I feel like Captain America has
a lot of pride because it takes a certain level
of pride for him to just like anything. I think
he like, you know how you can be prideful and
that's fine, but you just have too much pride. There's

(29:29):
a confidence. And he never took an owl, you know,
he never took an owl frozen and ice for eighty years.
That's more. That's more of a pause. Like I mean,
he like as far as for him fighting for justice,
never took an owl, and Thanos handed him that l
and it made him reevaluate everything he is. But I
like yours better. I didn't like seeing Tony at the

(29:52):
top in group therapy. The idea of like a man
from that generation, and especially a guy that like a
lot of maybe less well man kind of feels like
the manliest man for him to be like and therapy
talking to dudes about feelings and being like, you know,
we should open up and talk and this is what
I'm going to process my grief at those point and important. Yeah,
speaking of which, I'm gonna touch on that moment, like,

(30:13):
for a hot second, it was real. For for a
hot second for me, it was real cool that, you know,
one of the Russo's did that cameo and openly talked
about a gay relationship, and then it fizzled out when
I was like, oh, that's just another off screen gay relationship. Okay.
So I have two really strong feelings about So. As
a queer person, I think any attempt to celebrate this

(30:35):
moment like it's our first gay character, sit, sit your
whole last down. Uh. Netflix has had gay characters in
your Marvel series, and to overlook them is a travesty.
They did really awesome work. They had on screen relationships,
They were complicated, They were much more than just being
gay in a five second moment. However, I think that
by the one of the User brothers playing the character
himself is making a statement of like, we would really

(30:57):
like to make strides in this. This is a global company.
Disney has to please many, many, many, many many markets. Uh,
you can still be killed for being queer in some places.
A lot of places will not screen your movie if
there is even one gay character in it. It's not
it doesn't feel like a win here, but this movie
screening everywhere. I feel like it's a win other places.

(31:19):
And so yeah, I definitely people were like, no, it's great.
It's like breaking down boundaries, like be excited. I'm not
excited about it. But as far as Rouster Brothers being like,
you know, we want to do more of this and
we think it was important to try to fit something
somewhere in here, like hats off to that, and yeah,
and I definitely don't want to take anyone's double away,
like if you feel great, by great, I just you know,

(31:40):
I just want to hold the bar up a little
hot welcome. I will welcome, I will welcome any you know,
anything like this. I do want to say that we've
talked about men crying in media, and I did appreciate
how much they had of that, not only that scene
with Joe Ruso talking about how he cried, and to me,
it was like not even sad, it was kind of
a beautiful thing to have someone you know sitting across

(32:01):
from you that cries and then you cry too, and
it's kind of like, this is just a state of
where we're at and I feel like it is relatable
to our world sometimes today with some of the horrors
going on. But then Thor repeatedly crying like you know,
getting to see and he's cried before, but just so openly,
like you said, like the god of Thunder, this like
super hyper masculine person, and that moment that he has

(32:22):
with Hulk where Hulk is even like, um, you know
you're in a rough spot and I've been there too,
and you know who pulled me out of it? You did.
I saw this movie yesterday. That's why I remember so
much of these lines. Um. But it's seen these two
super hyper masculine like men that are saying it's okay
to cry, dude, I'm here for you. And I feel
like a really I mean, they're super broly, especially with

(32:45):
especially with Bruce and his new like, um, you know
Haynes fitted teas and uh, which was funny. We got
to we got two super hulked out men in essentially
like Calvin Klein um soft cotton shirts which was fanos
in his little cottage. I'm like, what is he doing?

(33:05):
He's wearing this like Target brand whatever soft material loom
h Someone pointed it out and It is hilarious when
you think about it this way. But yet man's was
just trying to make breakfast. He has spices, he has
at Okay, I laughed out loud when he took the

(33:26):
little salt and spices. I like laughed. It's such a
nice touch. And also like this idea of what I
like most about Thanos as a villain, and I think
what steered some people in a weird direction on Ultron,
Like Ultron is born to do one thing and immediately
like corrupts that And it's just really basic for a
robot to be like, does not compute destroy all humans.

(33:47):
But for Thanos, it was really like I've seen a
lot of terrible crap, and there were less people we
would have to deal with, less of this crap. It's
an awful utilitarian view of the galaxy. But it's also
so justified in his mind that as a villain, you're like, crap. Yeah.
Someone described to get away with this. Someone tweeted this
and it made so much sense. Is Dan is a

(34:10):
simple solution for a complex problem, which is essentially fascism.
Like that and that is that he is a metaphor
for fascism, a simple solution for a complex problem. Oh
there's too many people. Just kill half of them, and
I'm not gonna look so I'm being fair, are you? Yeah,
it's because you're not. You're not allowing yourself to be
selected in that you're not allowing any of your daughters

(34:32):
to be selected. As a matter of fact, you didn't
allow any of your homies to get snapped. You just
said half of anyone except me. Although I think his
homies all he would have their civilization and then pick
his favorites. Yeah, yeah, I trually, I don't think that
he cares. I mean, and also like sacrificing Gomra, he
clearly doesn't. I mean, he does. He he has essentially
had to care for that to work well. But it's

(34:54):
so interesting that part of it, because I was thinking
that too. It was like sacrifice what you love? Um.
The fact that Nat and Clint like that was so one.
That could have been really awkward. Yeah no, but like
what if one of them didn't like and it was like, oh,
you didn't actually love them, so you didn't get the

(35:15):
stone Hella awkward? That was wow. I would have been
Florida something like that happened. But it's also crazy to
me because in Nat and Clint, the sacrifice was a
self sacrifice. Yeah? Really did that work? No, I'm that's
exactly what I mean though, is about like how because
I was weighing this in my head, I was trying
to understand this part, like what if they had done

(35:36):
roads and Nebula had switched, Like what if they were
the ones that we're going to the soul stone? Right?
So I was trying to like wagh that in my
head of like how is this working? And essentially Nat
pushed herself off although he saves her and she says
let me go, right, and so he does have to
physically do the letting go. No, she she like twisted

(35:58):
her hand out of him and she kicked herself off.
Of Anyways, we're getting really specific before and there's a
lot of like little I was thinking of that exactly
that like thought was in my head of like, oh,
how is this going to work? And does it need
to be someone like as in Clint's wife, for somebody
like his child or I guess it's just like a
friend that he loves. Um, I think it's anyone you'd

(36:19):
say I love you. It doesn't have to be I think.
But also there's no relationship with anybody he has like
he has with Nat, like his wife is his wife
and that's his his life partner. But not and him
had both been through the grime, and he essentially turned
into that after the Snap what she was doing like
before she got into the Avengers, right, And so I

(36:40):
think that they're the only ones who could fully understand
each other's entire stories. Here's something that someone brought up
in the discord that was something I did. Note. I
even mentioned it in the Candy Dinner episode, so I'm
just gonna mention it again. It was kind of weird
he was only going after major people of color. It's
like like it was it was the card tell and

(37:00):
then it was no, that's that for life. I was like,
we have like homegrown white national care exactly. I'm like
in Mexico, my guy Japan just killed people. But but
in the end it was like those are like the
media cooler like ones. And obviously that's by design because
of things like this, but it's like we all know
Sicario and we all know Yakuza, and it's like all right,

(37:23):
but I feel like they were like Japan makes a
really cool backdrop. That's his total aesthetic because he's Ronan, remember,
and he has let's have him have this samurai sword battle,
my guy, you know, go toe to toe a little
bit and not get sliced up. Listen, here's my other
problem is, like I don't feel like Jeremy Renner embodied

(37:43):
like a Ronan very well, like even his like sword movements.
I've just watched way too much like anime and like
Japanese shows to be like this just doesn't feel right.
It's like really stiff. I just don't. I didn't care
for the storyline at all. I just don't. It might
just be my issues with Jeremy. I just didn't like it.
I didn't care Jeremy. I don't even have beef a

(38:04):
Jeremy Renner. I just don't enjoy him very much. If
I'm kind of bland, how I thought Hawkeye had a
lot of the same problems as Black Widow. It's just
never really gotten fleshed out, and they get you with
like it's his family, so it's going to be painful
and everybody can identify that most people have a family,
um except for Natasha. Natasha, So yeah, I don't know

(38:26):
it well. I honestly thought like a part of me
was like, that's why she has to That's why they
killed her because she doesn't have a family, you know.
And so I thought that that was really fascinating not
to go back to that scene. But I just I
don't know why. It really just stuck out to me
as like who's going to die? And Clinton was like
it should be me, but he was the one that
had kids and a wife and kids. And then it
was kind of a bad commentary about us that aren't

(38:48):
married with kids, and it's like, yeah, and I'm not
saying that, it was just was like something that I
took as an unmarried woman of like, oh if I
you know, when you're watching these scenarios, are like, oh,
I guess if if it were us, I guess I
should sacrifice myself because you have a family that um.

(39:08):
And so that but honestly, like it wasn't even a
bad It was just like, you know, you put yourself
in this scenario of this apocalyptic scenario of what I
do this? Um, you have to go back to the
New York Times articles the writers were talking about how
they're like it would have just been way too melodramatic
to introduces watch watch his family disappear and having like

(39:29):
dark rage and die. Yeah, They're like it was just
too melodramatic. And you know the way they hit set
up with you know, her being like a reclusive and
like this is your only family, Like, it makes sense
for her to want to do like one good thing.
And I guess, for my money, I understood what nat
was doing like this whole time. The only thing we
had seen about her doing is constantly trying to be

(39:52):
a part of the team, and it seems consistent that
she was trying to convince herself more than anyone that
she was belonged here and part of the team. We
saw Tryo and Nick when she was like you're gone,
and that's not cool. You're essentially my surrogate father. I
don't like that. Then we saw with Cap and she
was like, no, we're gonna help get you acclimated this
new world. You don't need to worry. We saw her
all the time with Hawkeye, and so for her to

(40:13):
be like, no, this is something I want to do,
it makes sense for her character. I wasn't too upset
at her death. I just wish we had more of
her before it happened. We have to take another break
and then we're going to hop into the rest of
endgame right after that. And we're back and I know

(40:38):
that everyone has talked about time travel. I've seen a
lot of conversations about it. To me, I think if
we were talking to the discord, it kind of follows me,
uh dbz time travel laws where you could just pop
up and leave as you no no no where if
you go into a different It was kind of what

(40:58):
um about her name? Who's um the bald? Yeah, the
ancient one was kind of what the ancient one was saying, Um,
if you affect this timeline like you're not. You might
be helping your timeline, but you're gonna forever change the
following the other timelines. Um. So this was my main
question with even though cap win back and put all

(41:19):
this the stones back, Gomra okay, so Gomra is dead
in the current timeline. The one that we have is Gomra.
So that timeline that Peter Quill that we saw get
punched out, he will never fall in love with Gomra

(41:40):
and she stays in our time, which I think she will.
I think she's going to be in the next Guardians.
I think she's gonna I think Peter is gonna fall
like I think she's gonna fall in love with Peter again.
I think that she has no reason to go back
to her sister is dead, her dad is dead. I
think Nebula the current. Nebulas in this time, so current
and go more. I think is going to stay in

(42:01):
this time. But what I'm saying is it's kind of
sad for that Peter Quill who broke this down for me.
So there's two There's two timeline theories they give you
in the film, and that's why it's confusing and you
had to be paying really close attention. So the first
timeline theories when you projected the ancient one was like, listen,
if you remove things, you're gonna f up and create
a second timeline. That's what I was thinking about the
whole movie. But Ash Croftsman was like, yeah, okay, but

(42:23):
remember when Banner is having the conversation about time travel,
where essentially he says, whatever you change just makes a change.
So like, if your past self comes to the future,
then your future becomes your past, and now you've created
a new arc for yourself. So it's the same reason
why Nebula isn't dead. Right now, which makes me upset

(42:46):
because I cannot an astrophysicists and I can't quite write
in my mind, you killed yourself, so you should be dead,
both of you. But no, she created a different timeline. Well,
it's even more so, it's not necessarily creating a different
timeline because that that is what I is gonna quote
is basically what Hulk was saying, was this idea of
you going back in time changing things and it affecting

(43:08):
your future isn't true because that moment where you go
back in time is now your future. So so it
is not necessarily creating a new timeline. It's almost as
if you started it and went back and added it
to your current timeline. So you experienced everything up until
that point and came but everything that changes is just
new if that makes But that timeline is still affected,

(43:32):
the one that you have already lifted. No, the one
that you pulled Gomra out of, she doesn't exist. She's
not in anymore. If she stays in the present day,
is there's not still a Gomra according to the Hulk,
the way he said, it already happened. So you're just
pulling go more into two thousand nineteen, but twen, all

(43:54):
the events are almost destined, they've already happened, so you
don't interrupt that. So so basically my only question was, Okay,
so Peter will still get to have a Goma, and
he probably will also get this go more like. So,
I do think that she's gonna This is my thing
that I'm gonna project that we've talked a little bit
in discord. I do think she's going to pop back

(44:16):
up in Guardians. I think that was a a little
easter egg that they showed when it said searching for
Gama at the very end, when you know, when Thor
came onto the ship, um, when Peter was looking that
was it said searching for he was looking for Goma.
And I think that was an easter egg of she's
going to pop up. She might not be leaving the
ship with them with Nebula and Thor and Quill and

(44:37):
Uh and Rocket and group, but I think that she will.
I think that was the best way for them to
be like, she's not dead, how are we going to
get her back in here? How are we gonna, you know,
finish out this franchise? And I think that was the way. Also,
i'd imagine like Goma, if you went back to two
thousand and fourteen Gomre and she just got realized that
she's in the future and she's into this guy. She's

(44:59):
not gonna just go back on the ship. I think
she's like, I'm gonna leave, right, don't because like if
you I go back and watch the Guardians, Like in
the first one, it's all about, like we could be
a team, and you know, if you want to go
after your father, that's the thing we could do to like,
but like, let's just try to figure this out. And
then part two was all about, like we just have
to admit that we love each other, Like can we

(45:19):
just say the words and believe it it will be okay.
And so I think the next one will be about
him trying to figure out how to get her in
a way that isn't brought together by tragedy, which will
be really interesting because More's entire life has just been
like one long tragic event and now she's on her
own and she's got this level of independence, and I
think that Peter's gonna have to come to terms with
that and give her like space and time to figure

(45:41):
out what she wants before she could even possibly begin
to be in a relationship, Like what a crazy thing
we pulled out of time, meet your sister, kind of
become sisters, kill your father together, and then find out
you have this entire life that you can't remember. It's
just I just realized that we had two women that
killed themselves, because Natasha killed herself and Nebula killed herself
even though it wasn't like her, but she killed the
other version of herself. I thought the saddest part of

(46:03):
that when they were like, you know, you can change,
and she was like, he won't let me, and it
was just so her her character arc is just so tragic,
it really is, And so it's at least exciting even
though that Nebula didn't survive that this new Nebula with
the next Guardians, I'm excited to see what will become
of her character. Yeah, it's cool. It's exciting because like,

(46:26):
even though she died, she was really just killing off
a part of herself she never liked anyway. And it's
to me, it's so much less tragic because it's something
that she always wanted to shed. Even even the self
who's like I can't change, desires to once to and
so for her to be like, you know, this is
gone and I'm just gonna be whoever I want to be.
It's exciting and I hope we like I really like

(46:46):
her in Guardians too, and she's like finally on her
own and I'm gonna just sell these people and I'm
over it. She's so badass, and I think we're gonna
get a lot of that kind of like fun, badass
Nebula that we haven't had a lot of time with.
I love, aside from the cap first cap fight, the
Nebula Nebula fight and then when she smacks her and um,
she's like you're weak and she's like I'm you and
I was like, oh, that's such a good lie. That

(47:09):
was so like such a put in your face. So
many of those. It was so good too, because there
were so many like fun bread crumbs that are just
you're basically a lot of decisions were made based off
of as things established way long, like the fact like

(47:29):
you can sit there and be like, why was it
so easy for Gomorra to just switch sides? Or you
can go back and watch the movies and know that
she never was on his side was so eat, Like
the moment like she was like, Yo, Dan is trash.
You knew, like, oh, she's gonna turn like there was
no and I like that they did honor that there

(47:50):
there they didn't. They didn't add no extra convincing. She
just needs to hear that one line from the future
to confirm like every yeah, it's bad if he wins,
because every all the other movies have confirmed that Goamrea
never really was rocking with him, and Nebula has figured
out how to talk to her sister in such a
way that she would be able to convince her in
a couple of shorts. It did her so long to
figure out, like how do I say I want to

(48:11):
be your sister? You know you've hurt me so much.
I don't know how to forgive you for that and
also seek this relationship. But she's already lived on that
and gotten over it, so she can just meet her
like right where she is, which is great. Yeah, sorry,
I didn't mean to just so excited about the good storytelling,
but just also the simple fact that all she needed
to get Gamara on her side is to be like
in the future, we're good because and that all that

(48:34):
honors that. That's all Gamora wanting god Moa. It was.
That's one thing I do like about Gamara Nebulous there
because it's such a relatable sibling storyline of like, y'all
both kind of want the same thing, but you're manag
each other and you don't know why. And you see
so many siblings pitted together that way. You know, if
you were the sibling that got better grades your sister,

(48:56):
your little sibling hates you and you don't know why.
You're just trying to be good and you're trying to
connect and they don't want to connect with you because
and it's all because of just how the parents kind
of treat that. But you don't have any of that info,
so you're just trying to communicate until you finally break through.
So the fact that like Nebula came into this movie

(49:16):
with the information of like, oh, she does love me,
she just doesn't know why I do not like her.
So if I just tell her we're it was I
just like that. It's just such a product of good storytelling,
speaking a good storytelling and complicated siblings. Can we talk
about Loki sneak Off? It was so it was, like

(49:38):
I said, there's a lot of fan service in this movie,
and that was the most low key fan service you
can do. And seeing him do be like okay, like
the classic like oh my gosh, Bob Billion like creeper
stock Off, like he's on tippy toes, hunched over, like
sneaking out of frame. I'm like, this is comedic gold
and it sets up so perfect, Like I feel like

(49:58):
the way they left little threads for the Disney plus
theory that give it give mels like even Scarlett, which
is big moment we know that it should Is it
Wanda Vision? Why didn't you call it Scarlet Vision? Disney?
I never understand your decisions, but one division is coming,
and I feel like with the stones being placed back,
we could be very close to having the like the

(50:20):
resurrection of vision. Um. She had such a great line
of just you know you've ruined my life. I know
you have taken everything, and you know before we were
getting towards the end of this and I do want
to wrap up one last thing. Another relationship thing that
I thought closed up years almost got me in my
fields was Tony and his dad, because that was it,

(50:45):
like he just it was years of everything he thought
about his father being cleared up. The moment he was like,
I will do anything for that kid, and I'm just
so consumed by my work that i cannot focus on them,
but I do love that kid. I was like, oh
my god, he needed to hear that. You re watched

(51:05):
the scene from Civil War at the top where he creates.
He creates a thing called BARF, which is a binary
automated something or other. Basically, it's the thing he creates
that connects with his hippocampus and it projects his parents,
and he gets to tell his parents it's the last
time he saw his parents. It's when they do the
young Robert Downey jr. Uh And he gets to tell
his parents like what he always wanted to say before

(51:27):
they died, which was essentially Tony's actual words him were like,
it's okay, dad, you did the best you could. Right,
We're getting here. The last line he says to his
dad is almost identical, but instead of just to walk off,
his dad gets to respond. And if that doesn't just
give you the shivers, Like, I just wrote this article
about the legacy of Tony Stark because it didn't strike
me how much I liked the character until his journey ended.

(51:49):
Because to me, I'm like rich entitled white douchebag, Like okay,
it's fine, Like Robert Downey juniors is Junior is infectious.
Like you love his performance, you want to watch him.
He's like a wonderful performer. But Tony Stark is constantly
just running headlong into decisions and making giant mistakes and
then really getting mad when people are like he wants
to clean up his own mistakes, but he doesn't want

(52:09):
to really take responsibility ever. You know, he's he's sorry
that it happened, but like, I'll correct it and I'll
do it by myself and it'll all be fine. And
that constant like tripping over himself is always causing problems,
and it's what makes his final snap so peak perfect,
because one he's got the assurance that this is the
only way. And we've seen Tony constantly through every Iron

(52:30):
Man movie, through every Avengers movie, put his body on
the line. He's willing to die for this cause, but
it's never really been worth it. You didn't ever really
have to You were never going to be the leader
that Captain America just naturally was, but you didn't need
to be. You are rebel in a patriot and that
is so American and so close to the ideals that
Captain America holds. Who was heart, It's so close to
what your dad was always trying to achieve. Like all
these heroes that he felt were so far away from

(52:53):
him gave him the respect. I mean, the fact that
what Cap does with his life after is just value
Tony's message and Tony's agenda, and it's like, I'm just
gonna go and live a simple life because we all
deserve to have that at some point. It is the
most miraculous arc like it is. I hope that eventually
we can get this with all of the characters. But
the way they did it with Tony was perfect the most.

(53:14):
I think the thing that made it the most perfect,
the icing on the top, is the fact that Tony
ends the way the m C You started. The m
C you started at the end of iron Man when
he says, I am iron Man, and the last line
that Tony Stark says in the m C You is
I am iron Man. Just all just who I got

(53:38):
to breathe a second or I'm a just reaction, Okay,
you could just go. Let's talk about that performance. I
I compared this this performance akin to Jaggie Oh during
Kennedy's death, which if you don't remember or she don't,
you don't have to go look it up. I will
explain what happens as she jumps to the back of

(54:00):
the car and to grab a piece of his head.
And when asked why, I was like, I didn't know.
I just went into mode and I just thought it
would help. And there's something about seeing Pepper Potts just
everyone's freaking out, and she's like goes into puts all
her emotions aside because she's like, this is all he
needs to hear right now, and the moment she passed away,

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then her real emotion comes in that performance and just
the realness of that of just like yeah, in a
crisis time, you're like, no, first business then me. Yeah.
And she has to stay strong because that's the last
face that he saw, you know, she put her face
like she moved Not that I don't love Peter Parker,
but she moved Peter Parker to this side very much
like gave him over, Like someone needs to take care

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of this kid. This is my time to be with
my husband, Like this is my time to be with
the one to be here right now. Peter like this
is you don't see your mentor die. Yeah, this is,
And so she made sure that is like so important.
She was like this, she is the last face he's
going to see and in order for him to rest
and or he can't see her crying and feeling like
everything is going to go, you know, he needs to
see her okay, and she says we're going to be okay.

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But also in going in this great writing and constantly
flipping the script, every single time that Tony has put
his life on the line, he calls Pepper, and every
single time she can't pick up the phone because she's
always trying to save him. She's always trying to get
back to him to save him. So this idea of
this is the last time we even see at the
top of this film, and even after he dies, he
leaves her a message. He's always trying to reach Pepper,

(55:24):
and so this idea that as he's dying, he doesn't
have to teach her he's right. She's right there for him,
and she's one giving him the message of it's going
to be okay, and you can be strong and you
can do what you need to do. It's it's just
really beautiful, like their relationship as minimal as it's been his,
it's been really lovely to watch. Yeah, And the thing,
the last tiny thing I'm gonna say about Marvel in

(55:44):
the m c U is just how awesome and dynamic
not was it not only as a story of what
it told, but also for Robert Downey Jr's career. Yeah,
this m c YOU changed his life. He was like
the laughing stock burnout in Hollywood. And I mean he

(56:07):
was on the rise, but but like he was, but
he definitely like you know, and not not like trying
to trash him. I'm just saying like that that's just
where he was to like this untouchable superstar who seems
like he might be getting ready to retire. He can
if he wants, or he can do whatever movie he wants.
I just love just someone getting a second chance, like

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doing the work, getting a second chance and really showing
us just how great he was, because not only was
this a great movie, but his performance from when he's
malnourished and this to coming back like you really it
was great. And I didn't get to tweet this out,
but what I wanted to say is in game felt
like everyone saw Black Panther get that Oscar nob and

(56:54):
was like, oh all right, because everyone brought their acting
game like it's it transcended a quote unquote superhero movie
to like as an actor, it inspired me, I would.
I also love the fact that UM, Tony is so
much of Robert Downey Jr. Like um, the fact that

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this man did get a second chance at life, Robert
Downey Jr. Who was an alcoholic and he played an
alcoholic and Tony Stark and like a man who's tormented
do is pushed people away in his life to then
come full circle in the way that I feel like,
you know, Robert Downey Jr. Has UM I was told
that and I didn't know one. He had to like
fight to audition for this, and I know that John

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Favre really believed in him. So he was a huge win.
At the premier, John Favre when they announced him, like
everybody like gave him a roaring applause because without him,
I don't think that we would have UM. I didn't
know that, and it makes happy and relationship UM. And
then UM, I think that they wanted to go Marvel
wanted to go with them, Tom Cruise, so that one

(57:59):
man Um. I had this argument with Mark Ellis, who
is a good friend of mine. He was on our
Infinity War review. I believe Um he's the one that
told me that and um he was like what, no,
don't try and I'm like, no, Mark. It was so funny.
Someone tweeted and was like, the characters are not the
the actors, like, um, Chris Hemsworth is not Thor and

(58:23):
Mark Ruffalo is not Hulk, but Robert Downey Jr. Is Yeah,
like he is him. Everybody else is just but he
is he is one with Yeah. I mean I can't
imagine anyone. And yeah, Marvel made all of their all
the royalty in the world we know people of color.

(58:44):
Actually they're all black people. And it made me want
to cry. H Valkyrie is King of Asgard right now. Uh.
Nay More with a Koya was like, we're not worrying
about those earthquakes. We don't do anything about earthquakes, don't
check them out, don't look. I was like, Naymore is
coming the Mariners here, like the way again. They just
set up so many like little threads and little things

(59:05):
for us to be so excited about and then for
them to not give us anything at the end just
tells me that they are cooking and you cannot wait
to see what the next phase is going to bring,
where their focus is going to be. But I think
even as small as the queer representation was, uh, the
amount of POC that had really like monumental positions in

(59:26):
the Avengers now uh, including Sam getting Captain Shield, I
feel like they're making a very strong statement at the
end of the Infinity saga of like, yeah, we're coming
for like disenfranchised people next minute. Our first half was
very Caucasian, was very straight, but we see you and
we're going to expand. So I really look forward to it. Yeah,

(59:53):
I think I think that's our that's it. Um, what
did you have? Tweet? Adams? You know, in the discord
were already got the conversation going, so Discord do g
slash Salt Squad, spoiler chat. Danny was getting it in.
I knew I miss. I think I came back to
two messages. It was about the time travel thing. Yeah,

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everybody went it was good. More I was like, no,
she's coming back, trust me, even though my original question
was like is she coming back? And then I was like,
I thought y'all were gonna say she was, and this
is why I need to prove to you that she is.
Danny had charts and everything. Um, but yeah, you know me.
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(01:01:37):
which you know if you listen to nartives and that's
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People coming to my chat and they're like, can we
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only thing that I was going to plug is I
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(01:02:00):
is up on Playboy that you can check out and read. Um.
I met miss Danny Fernandez, Joel. Where can everyone catch you? Yes?
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(01:02:20):
California doing uh commic Con Revolution. It's gonna be really awesome.
I have four panels there. It's like Ladies of the
Dark Side. We're doing a tribute to Stanley. I'm interviewing
the guys of Um Samurai Jack and then also the
voice of Darth Maul. So it's gonna be like a
whole stacked Saturday. You could just calm follow me panel
to panel. Uh. It's a really great con. It's super

(01:02:41):
small and most of the creators like hang out afterwards
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you see there, say if you're there, say hi, yeah,
and that's it, Like we always say, stay nerdy, fade