BONUS EP: 'Captain Marvel' Film Review **SPOILERS**

Bonus Episode! Dani and Ify are joined by Sam Bashor and Joelle Monique to discuss the 'Captain Marvel' film! SPOILERS AHEAD! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Nerdificent. Actually not
an episode, but a spoiler review. This is our spoiler
review for Captain Marvel. Y'all ask for it. It is here.
If you haven't seen it yet, one go listen to
our Captain Marvel episode that we did with Tiffany Millius,
who is the owner of the Perky Nerd Comic bookshop.

(00:30):
That doesn't have spoilers. It just has her going over
the history of the character, where to start with the
comics if you're trying to get into the comics, So
definitely recommend that. But this is Iffian Eyes spoiler heavy review.
I know, yeah, no, it'll be a good time. I think, uh,
I think, uh yeah, it'll be great. Yeah, it's fresh

(00:52):
on my brain. I went to see it last night.
It was super fun. I you know, I had a
good time. It's fun to see a movie after there's
just so much discussion to be had around it, and also,
you know, just multiple different takes. You know, you don't
I typically do like to go and fresh headed, but
you know, it was interesting seeing the especially knowing that

(01:13):
I was going to do the spoiler review to see
certain criticisms people have valid ones and we'll get into
that soon. Um, valid criticisms and kind of going in
with that in my head and seeing did I care
or not? Because I sometimes I feel like there are
a lot of valid criticisms, but that doesn't necessarily means
that it will impact the movie the same way for
me or you you know. Uh, So that's it was nice.

(01:37):
It was I got to highlight all the things, and
I feel like I get to actively address uh some
some some things people may think, uh knowing some things
people may think. Yeah, and joining us, we have entertainment
critic Joel Monique, you were on our and we also

(01:59):
have Samsher who is the host of Only Stupid Answers
and New rock Stars. Sam You recognized his voice from
our flash episode that was blast. So I'm excited to
talk about this movie. Yes, um, I'm ready y'all to
go higher, further, faster. Well look at it? Do you
really love my puns? Um? Um? Yeah, So let's get in.

(02:23):
I guess I wanted to start with, did y'all read
any of the comics or no, just the okay comics
that this kind of iteration of Carol Dammers is based
off of gotch I've only done more recent ones I
have never read, like the iconic one that kind of
like thrusted Carol into like the forefront of the comics
as Captain Marvel. The more recent ones have been a
ton of fun. She was also part of like the

(02:45):
big Marvel events Civil War two, which really kind of
nuke their character. But they're doing they're doing backflips to
make it better again. So yeah, I'm a big fan. Yeah,
and have you all seen her in Marvel Rising? She's
in Marvel Rising? Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, well,
if you where do you want to start? I don't know.
I guess I guess we'll just start, you know, how

(03:06):
do we do? Man? I guess we'll just start kind
of with the top of the movie, just initially because
that was cool to me. That means the first I
think one of the things I will say, the first
criticism I heard, uh and and what about was someone
said that they felt like the first twenty minutes of
the movie they felt it was like unnecessary, And for me,

(03:29):
I I'm I'm on a weird place with that where
it's like I can see that, But I also as
a fan of the comics, that was like you know,
creep porn, you know, like you got to see like
all of the Cree Empire. And I think it just
kind of like gave us some juicy backstory for Guardians

(03:49):
of the Galaxy one, you know, seeing rown in and
how they did it. And it was nice that they
sprinkled it in because I have a bad memory. And
it was interesting talking to that person because they're like, oh,
it was kind a hard scene than being a good
guy knowing that they served Ronan. But I was like, oh,
I totally forgot, and the Ronan was almost a twist
to me. And and I think that's kind of what

(04:10):
it does serve. I think a lot of times people,
especially cinephiles, forget, is that people aren't as actively thinking
in movies as they are. They're kind of taking it
as it comes. I don't think that necessarily means that
you can just totally dumb down a movie, but I
definitely think it does serve to not be as nitpicky
for certain things as I'm okay with, you know, the

(04:32):
the storyteller being like, let me fill in people who
may not you know, know this, and I also, you know,
this is just knowing that something is eventually evil doesn't
mean it starts out that way too, so that that
also has some credence for me. What did what did
y'all feel? It seems like watching your faces both of
you disagreed about the first twins that necessary. Well. I

(04:56):
talked about this a lot before, just the idea that
we have to get used to watching things that are
built for universal watching as opposed to single issue watching,
and then no one annoys them, definitely cinephiles who are like,
this is not a self contained film, and like, right,
it's part of a universe, like what makes the Marvel
films great rewatches, Like I recently rewatched the first Avenger

(05:19):
Captain America movie and then the first Avengers movie, uh
with Hector Navarro and like just all the little easter
eggy things like if you rewatch Captain America, the First Avenger,
there's so much Viking stuff. Then it's like get ready
for Thor, here's Thor drops. Here's what it was so
cool to watching it. You felt you were being tied
into another universe and it has good rewatchability and the

(05:41):
idea of like, well we're just gonna skip the cream, like,
but that's kind of what ties us into the rest
of what's happening. Otherwise you're just like, who is this
fighter pilot? And why do I really care? When once
you get to the test react later, you know, you
could say that brings it in. But I like the
whole setup, and if we didn't have that set up,
you wouldn't have any gema chan and really, what would
be the point for me? I In the first twenty minutes,

(06:02):
the big thing was like as soon as they showed Halla,
I was like, oh cool, alright, so this feels like
a distinct planet. It's got its own culture, its own design,
and I'm on board with this. The only thing was
like fifteen minutes and I was like, actually, I don't
know what anybody's name is, Like I know because with
other shows I do. I know that her name is.
I called it something, I called it verbs, it's bears
or whatever they were saying, and I didn't I knew

(06:24):
what Jude Law's name was, but I didn't hear anybody
say it or anyone like talk to each other with
like first names, and so I was like, I don't care,
but I'm like, that must be kind of tough. And
I had to talk to other people I'm like, did
I miss something that? Did they say it really fast
or like name cards came up and I blinked I
missed it, like and so that part was a little
tough for me because I thought it was kind of

(06:46):
fun that they start with like a flashback. You're like,
you get the idea of like this is Carol. I'm
gonna call her Carol's easier that way her mindset, like
this is how she sees the scrolls, this is how
she sees herself as a soldier when they're showing like
the scroll attacking her and the net net Benning's character,
whoever that was in that point, Um, I thought that
was really interesting. I just had some trouble, like I
didn't have enough time to connect with anybody because I

(07:07):
was still just trying to figure out who was who
and what that meant to everybody. I didn't really connect
with the movie until, like i'd say, like once we
got to her being taken by the scrolls. So when
it comes to like the first twenty minutes being unnecessary,
I don't think so. I just wish something was a
little bit clear, like, um, if we're gonna just compare
to other like space faring movies like you mentioned Guardians
the Galaxy. The first thing we saw in that movie

(07:28):
was Peter getting abducted, and I'm like, oh, this is
so cool. So as soon as it starts out like
him on his Indiana Jones like adventure on this planet,
I was like, Okay, I don't actually don't need to
know anything else because I didn't just know he started
here and now he's this He chose as a scared
kid to become like this adventure they looked up to.
I just it took me a while connect to Carol
in the first twenty minutes because I didn't know what

(07:49):
was happening to two points. So do you think it
would have been a better film if they had taken
the Carol Marvel crash scene and just moved it to
the front, not given us any context, just that conversation
they have in the plane of like we're going to
go down and like find the coordinates, and then like
just seeing the crash, and then we had popped up
in the next world. Because I see what you're saying
about having a reason to invest in the character, because

(08:11):
at first she's just a chick. You can't go to sleep,
you're like okay, cool. Um, so really like the d
M and the other point being the idea of us
not getting into groups. That's kind of continuously a Marvel
problem of like we'd really like to give fan service
to our fans, but also we have to keep this
show movie. They did the same thing with Thora's Companions

(08:32):
forget what like yeah, the Warriors three, so like they
their introduction is sort of vague, and you're like, okay,
the people fight us and they're death kind of vague. Uh,
that's a good point, Like if there was if they
kind of extended that scene showing the crash and then
like as soon as you get to scroll, comes and
shoots and it cuts to like the Marvel logo, maybe
that would have helped. Also, I'll just put out there

(08:52):
I didn't enjoy this movie. I actually had a good time.
At just the beginning of the movie. I was like,
I actually have no idea. I know there's a war,
but I all, I'm not connecting with any part of
it right now. And and that's and that's the thing
why I'm on the other side of kind of understanding
like if it started at boom blockbuster, blockbuster boom boom,
just quick cuts of what we eventually saw in those
twenty because that's when the movie did kind of ramp

(09:16):
up for me especially. I mean, but if we're talking
about under underutilized man Colston, I was like, why are
you even here? I loved seeing him. I I know
why we see him because it's for the fans. But
you know, I I now I want this spinoff movie
of like Urie and Buddy Cops, you know, getting to
know each other, but they like, I don't know there

(09:38):
there's that level of like does every because me coming
from like you know, a big Kaiju fan, where like
you don't get much explained in those movies. It's like
it came from somewhere and it's attacking. Uh, you know,
it's attacking Japan. You gotta get out of here. I
don't need to know everything and I don't need everyone
Colston just being there like he yeah, he was this moving.

(10:00):
We know who he is, and the only reason he
matters is because we know who he is. But if
he was just the rookie and he was introduced in
that movie, I don't think we'd have as much of
a problem. And I think that's a good problem to have,
of wanting to see more of a character just because
we like. I think I like the risk because they
said before we even went into the film, we knew
that it wasn't necessary that she was going to start

(10:22):
with her powers. We did know that because they said
that upfront, that she was already going to start with
her powers. So I like that they did that different
risk and different take. I want to see more superhero
films doing that because like everyone is always just like
an origin story, you know, and it kind of was,
but they did it in a smart, in my opinion,
way where it kind of kept you guessing, so it
wasn't like he you know, from start to finish there

(10:45):
was and it also kind of reiterated what her mind
is like, so I think by jumbling it up, it
was almost like that is actually how her mind is,
though she can't really you know, she keeps having flashbacks,
she doesn't know where she is. It is confusing. So
for us that did kind of that choice worked for me,
them doing that as opposed to a straight like here's
how she got her powers, then here's you know, the

(11:06):
middle of her story. Like that, I like that they
kind of jumbled it up. Yeah, No, I think that's great.
I mean I've said as much, uh you know on
movie talk shows. I think I said it on s JU,
where like we're done with origin stories at this point.
And also this, I think they pulled off a pretty
hefty task, this deep into the Marvel Cinematic universe, introducing

(11:28):
a character and then putting her over. To use wrestling terms,
which if you're unaware of what putting someone over means,
it means to basically, uh, make everyone a fan of
them and to make them seem like they can compete
with everyone at the top of the roster. I mean
that ending scene of them just being like boom, like
she yeah, she's strong, she's she can kick everyone's ass. Uh.

(11:51):
You know that that was great because that immediately was like,
oh she it it. I think what it was trying
to do and accomplished was like, yeah, when she shows up,
it's gonna it's the things are gonna change in the
Infinity War. And it was real fun and it's felt earned.
It made so much sense, I mean to you know,

(12:12):
and now you have to consider that she had since
the nineties to hone that power, so to show her
so powerful upstart, up front, and then know that there
is going to be this time for her to hone
and get better. It was. It was pretty great. I
liked it a lot. Um. I guess a lot of
people have brought up then why if he could have

(12:33):
called her the whole time? Can do you want to
tackle some of that? Like I said, I think I've
seen articles that people have tried to tackle that. If, like,
and I'm talking about Nick Ferry, if he could have
called her that whole time, why did he wait? You know,
all of these other films that he didn't call her
interesting well with me. My take for it was like
and and this is my personal thing is seeing how

(12:54):
powerful she was by the end of that movie. It's like,
oh no, this is the new Like you don't call
in the nuke, you know, with these guys the and
also I felt like it's so interesting for people to
be like, when why didn't you call it? Like you
had a bazooka, why don't you use it? It's like
then that would then why why even make the Avengers initiative?
If he's just gonna call Nova all the time like

(13:15):
that was he his The reason he never called it
was because he'd built the Avengers to use in those situations,
and they have yet to fail in those situations. They
they've had hard times, but the Avengers have yet to
fail until Infinity War. This is their first fail. So
it does make sense that now that he would call her. Well,
So she made it pretty clear like emergencies only like emergencies,

(13:40):
and if you think about it, like Avengers one, you
don't get too far into the emergency, Like a hole
opens up in the sky, the Aliens come. Luckily there's
a team already on the ground to face them, and
then it's it's over. Avengers to Ultron ramps up so fast,
and it's kind of Tony Stark's problem, and so Tony
Startin used to clean up his own mess and the
Avenger series where they failed, and so they have to
call Captain Marvel. Now it's just I would I can't

(14:01):
think of a reason why I would have called her
any sooner than this right here, like people are disappearing
a helicopters, cashing to this guy like we need help. Well,
I don't know if you guys saw Kevin fig I
mean a million press people like grabbed him and tried
to like pin him down to answer. And I found
one article where he actually did and basically if he
kind of came down to like he wanted his team
and it's like it is the new option. But he

(14:22):
also threw out like one little like one little gimme
to the fans where it's like this is a non answer,
but I like it. He was like, well, maybe he did,
and we just never saw him click that button, like
it because it's like also comparatively like three spaceship showed
up like the Cree ships at the end of this movie,
and like Carol kind takes care of him in about
let's call it twenty minutes, like it's not that big

(14:43):
of a deal and comparatively like a big hole in
like reality opened up. I'm sure he maybe he did
click it, like or maybe he just left it in
his office and he didn't know where to go get it.
Like I kind of like them playing with that idea
as well, like maybe he clicked it, and um, if
you guys, like in the post credit scene they show
that like it kind of takes her look at little
bit to come all the way back to Earth wherever
she is at. And I do have questions about like

(15:05):
the tech that like they were talking about, like like
the mcguffin of this movie. We get to that a
little bit because I just I don't dislike it. I
was just like the mcguffin to me was earned, and
I was in, maybe this is my centiphonal brain. But
from the moment she hacked a Pacific bell phone to
call back to her command, I was like, Oh, that
she's gonna hack the beeper. Like I knew from the moment,

(15:26):
I was like, she she has the tech know how
to hack a pay phone to return people. Then I
guess we've already laid the magic mcguffin, like like it
was established early enough to be like, Okay, this is
how y'all did take a space battery. It was for
x mods Rest in Peace. X mods, you were the

(15:47):
best thing Radio Shack had. I don't know why that used.
It was part of No, it wasn't It couldn't have
been xnly thought. I really thought when they put when
he pointed over, I thought he was going to point
at Circuit City, and I was like, that would have
the old school nineties. I know. There were some things
me being an l a head where I was like, okay, uh.

(16:08):
The train chase scene ends in the seventh Metro station
and then they exit at the Graham station. I was
like that that ain't that station. But it's for one
of the things that like, of course not I know,
movie matter, but it was cool to be on the
other side of that because you know, a lot of
movies take place in New York and not not really
l A l A to where I've been likeing, I
know exactly, Yeah, the Douglas State. That's what you take

(16:29):
to go to the l A X. Like I I
was totally in my l A head and I was
really excited about it. But yeah, sorry, I was going
to ask you guys a question. Did you see the
reason this needed to be sit in the nineties? Oh
that's a good that's a really, really, really good question.
And the reason I say that's a really good question

(16:51):
is because that was kind of uh I did movie
fights and it was talking about like nineties, and they
were talking about like, you know, basically pitching another movie
to be set in the nineties, and does a movie
He like, what's the reason? And that's kind of what
I thought for this one, that I had that in
back of my head and I thought, I was like, yeah,
it doesn't necessarily need to be set in the nineties.
The only reason it would need to be set in

(17:12):
the nineties is to explain why she's been gone, because
because if this happened when he was setting up the
Avengers and she just pieced out, like, it'd be like,
all right, uh, now come back, Like why wouldn't he
just ask her to be in the Avengers? So you know,
but that's such a good question because it almost doesn't.

(17:33):
The only thing that it kind of justifies to me
is just why where she's been Yeah, I kind of
did wish that she was older when she came back
like that post credit scene and everyone was like, no,
it's because in space, you know. I was like no,
But I really wanted her to have like like white
hair or like, you know, several strands of white hair

(17:54):
and be like older. I just thought it would have
been been cool. But who knows, maybe we'll get an
older Carol eventually. Now that we're in the looks zone,
let's let's talk about another take that people have, you know,
where they say, you know, Bree Larson, you know, it
doesn't sell it for them, like as as Captain Marvel
and what what's everyone's thought on this. I find this

(18:17):
to be one of those I like how I opened
the floor and then immediately about it. I find this
to be one of those nitpicky nerd things because I
went through and I was because when I heard this,
like it didn't necessarily jump out to me. I was like,
I guess I can kind of see it, but I
was like, let me look at the comic version and
see why. And the and the reason I think people

(18:40):
are acting this way is because she's very angular in
the the if I can just be completely frank, she
has that strong lesbian energy the short do just strong face,
almost like if Jane Lynch was younger, this would be hers.
And that point, I get it. But also there were

(19:02):
tons of people in the m c U who at
first I was like, oh no, like but he grew
on me, and I'm willing to let that happen for
Brie Larson because I was on freaking board when she
was super powered up, flying, blowing stuff up. I didn't
feel like she was any less of a hero than

(19:23):
anyone than anyone else I've watched. I would say the
part of maybe the other aspect of missing is like
she does not I feel like a soldier to me, Yeah,
and I think that that's a And again, if you're
you're coming from the comic books and especially from Kellysey
to conics era of Carol Danvers, there's she what Kelly

(19:45):
cy wanted. It was a female soldier that we would
like think of iconically the way we think of like
a Steve Rogers is like a soldier in our minds,
like he habits and embodies all the things that make
you know, the atypical soldier. We don't have that for women.
If you think about, you know, a female soldier, like
you probably come up with Aliens is your best Like
you know, it's a tough chick who like puts others

(20:06):
down and kind of ruins the fun. And it's like,
this is kind offer thought. She's like, this is what
I think of when I think of women in the army.
And she's like, but that's not how women in the
army present. And I think a lot of people are disappointed,
you know, who either have military backgrounds, were looking forward
to that sort of military strength figure. Um that she
was a little more gentle and this was a lot
more about you know, um finding her place in the

(20:27):
world as opposed to having a mission. I guess, um,
she sort of stumbles into a mission and is able
to complete it in it and it's awesome. Um, I
don't blame Brie Larson for that. Is like an incredible
actress and we've seen her transform into like eight different
people believably and amazing. This movie all throughout how a
tone of sort of like two parties fighting and pulling

(20:50):
the movie in opposite directions for me, And it felt
like they brought a lot of women in and then
we're like, but we don't necessarily a person trust you,
and so here's like the men to like shape it
in the right direction. And it feels a little bit
confused throughout, and I think part of that comes across
in the writing and the way that Bree Larson was
trying to find her way into this character. I'm hoping

(21:11):
Apart two does a lot better. Took us for three
times to get it right. I'm willing to wait. I
think Bree Larson is capable to see Marvel consistently proves
it like if we don't get it right the first time,
we're going to build it there and it's going to
be good. Eventually, you're gonna love it. Um, yeah, given time, Yeah,
like you'd find like I mean, I like that the
actors and the movies kind of grow around each other

(21:33):
and they find something that like, yeah, that's the best
example of Chris Emsworth because like not that he was bad,
I just couldn't remember what he was doing in all
of those movies. He had two other ones too. It
took him so long or Marvel so long to figure
out what worked for him and for me in this movie,
Like I totally agree with you where it's like the
movies doesn't know what it's trying to do the whole time.
It's setting the stage, it's answering some questions and also

(21:53):
like maybe future stuff like that felt like last thing
that they had on their mind. It was like more
like get to the ventures and we'll figure it out
if we get a part two. But for her, it
was so cool that like you're able to see her
have fun, especially when she was able to like power
up and like she's having a good time murder a
lot of people like being honest, but like like straight up,
like one of them might be a friend if you
wanted to talk to them. More like but whatever, you know,

(22:15):
that's that's whatever. But then she but like last points,
like she ended up like having being like having really
badass moments, especially against like Jude Law. But no, no, no,
I was I was just trying to plus one that
idea and Joel's immensely. It really did feel like there
was just two takes on a feminist movie trying to
go because you had heavy handed moments and then you
had some real strong, subtle moments. That was like and

(22:39):
it really made me think the heavy handed stuff probably
came from the men involved and the subtle one came
from the because there were subtle in The reason I
say this just from an outside of observation is the
heavy handed one looks like a take I would have
on what women go through, like not being able to
go cart some reason, like you're already in the car
and racing, but now for some reason your dad's against it.

(23:00):
You can't climb up the ropes in the military, even
though military women do that every day. Versus that final
scene when he when he's like all right, fight me,
Like that couldn't be a closer analogy to the debate
me stuff that women deal with online and for her
to like just blastom and be like I have nothing
to prove to you. I'm not gonna fistfight you. Who

(23:20):
are you? You know? And that's and it was so
beautiful because even though I saw it coming, it's what
you wanted to see. It's it's like, yeah, this is
something that every day you you see and that's and
that's what makes it really because one of the big things,
you know, I've heard and I'm not gonna like knock
this idea because it's been women who feel pandered too

(23:41):
in some moments of how heavy handed it is. But
one of the things where that the the um is it,
the no doubt, um I'm a Girl song, right Like
they're like, oh my gosh. I was like, honestly by
that point in the movie, it's earned because it's been
so hokey throughout, you know, like why why be you know,
like I to aim, like, all right, we couldn't have

(24:04):
just an epic, you know, sounding song, but go for it.
I disagree so much. I guess the Girl is an epic,
especially if you were coming up in the nineties. It's
it's like seme girl like headbanger like honestly, and I
feel like it would have worked so much, but to me.
It's not the song's fault. It is the editing's fault.
That fight is maybe one of the worst fights I've

(24:26):
ever seen edited in Marvel movie history, and it sucks.
It's confusing because the very next scene is the aerial
fight scene, and it's edited. When Monica makes Mariah makes
that spin like through the cavern, I screamed, like I
was like that ever was like such a tight race
and it felt very Star Wars and how it was constructed.
But the fight scene, You're just like, this doesn't go

(24:47):
to the timing of the music, and I don't understand
the fight was coordinated well. It just was edited really terribly. Also,
it's sometimes kind of hard to just see what's happening
in the movie. It was weird the way that they
shot and captured a lot of this, like in the beginning, uh,
you trying to figu out where scrolls are They're trying
to get their agent back whatever, and like there's a
double cross. But also couldn't see what was happening because
it's like a dark planet and it's everything's not lit

(25:08):
well until she powers up and you can kind of
see the surroundings. And the same thing for the end
fight as well, but also that song reminds me of
Romeo and Michell's high school union, which my sister forever.
I love that movie. I was like, I don't care
what's happening right now. I really I totally agreed, But
like I used to play that song all the time,
still play that song all the time. It's such like

(25:30):
a I mean, it was just like you know, um,
it was basically like I'm I don't know. It was
our empowering song. I feel like in the nineties that
like her best fashion, like at the height of her
like dope fashion. It's like the lyrics resonate, especially if
you're a girl and your constin you told don't do
that or sit like a lady, which really sends shivers

(25:51):
up my spine. I hate it. Um it just or
that you're this pretty little, delicate thing that can't go
out alone and can't drive late at night and all
the things that it's saying. I actually did really love
her scene where that if he was talking about where
she gets up all those times. Oh my gosh, I
just I know, really it really got me. It got

(26:14):
and it got me. In the trailer, I saw somebody
I can't remember, but somebody tweeted when the first trailer
dropped in they were like, that scene is going to
get me. And then the more I thought about it,
I was like, oh, all those times that she got
knocked down that she got back up, and even thinking
about it, I was like, I'm getting emotional thinking about it.
But it also reminds me about what I like to
call the Mulan seeing, you know, and you know, when

(26:35):
she is like be a man or whatever. And then
in that final the end of that song and she
is up up at the top of the pole and
she's like and all the times that she fell and
had you know, all the she's training on her own
and got back up. Yeah. I I did actually really
like that scene a lot. I think that's one of
the most what I will remember. So many things I'll remember,

(26:56):
but that is one of the most iconic ones I
think remember for that and where the movie works best
is when it folds back into Kelly Sue's like main
thing like that. Marvel has made it very clear they
don't want to touch like anything that's icky or too dark,
like they that's why we didn't start with Hank Pim
as aunt Man because you know, in the comics he
abuses why like an alcohol problem. In Kelly Sue's version

(27:19):
of Captain Marvel, Carol is an alcoholic and she's in
recovery and hire further faster. So much relates to finding
that recovery and the closest we get to touching any
of that are these falls. And the idea of like, sorry, Kelly,
see that. My interview was like we talked about, you know,
our our own addiction issues, and she's like, you know,

(27:40):
the main thing is like you're just not broken, And
so that resonates throughout the entire scene, and it pivots
what Carol has been told this whole time of like
if you fall, it's over, which is like the most
devastating thing you can tell a person is like if
you fail once, you're not going to get another try.
And so this idea of like her learning like oh
I already did this, Like I already know how to
do it and what I'm doing and it's so great,
and so for that to be the thing that unlocks

(28:01):
her power is it's just like it like radiates it.
Like you feel that scene with the net Benning where
she's like, um, you're just human or whatever, and she's like,
that's right, I am, and it's like, I I mean, yeah,
it's so to me. It's so relatable that you can
be not not broken, but you can be flawed you.
And that's what I love about these characters is that

(28:22):
they are heavily flawed. And I think, I think, you know,
we're moving away from having pure, in my opinion, like
pure unattainable superheroes to someone that is like, no, I
am human, No, I have suffered these things and I
still am able to push through. Did you see on
the Red Carpet where Bree was being interviewed by a

(28:42):
little girl, Yeah, I know, Okay for those of you
who didn't see it, she's like, you know, what are
your your real superpowers? Asking Bree like as a human,
like what are your powers? And be like, you know,
I can eat a lot. And I don't remember what
all her answers were, who girls, I don't really have
superpowers and be like that's not true, that's not true.
You definitely have powers. It was like Hans pretty well
and I guess I like this and this, and she's

(29:03):
like those are all superpowers and I was like, the
children are gonna be okay. There's so many like role
models and like idols and and it's, uh, it's really
cool to be like alive. And if you have a
daughter in this moment, like is it thrilling? Is it
exciting for you? I mean there's a lot of doube
stuff from Naomi that you know you got, Yeah, you
got Captain Marvell, she got sureI she has like oh koh,

(29:24):
yeah she's there's' and Moana she's already deep ingested that.
And we're getting frozen too. That seems like it's taken
a dark turn. Question. I saw that trailer before the movie.
I'm like, what is this? Is this like Fellowship of
the Frozen? Uh, like I'm here for it, but what's
going on? But yeah, no, it's that's one thing that

(29:46):
I kind of find people nit picking on that because
we were in a very interesting place with Captain Marvel.
There are a lot of cheesy ass fan service e
things all the other movies get to do that you
get away with because all the guys in their nostalgia
for it. Carol Danvers is fairly new. There isn't that

(30:08):
that much nostalgia porn, especially if you're you know, oh,
I'll just say a dude in general. But we you know,
looking at you bearded guy who's angry. Uh. But so
when these moves, when the movie does these cheesy things
like you know, her best friend's daughter picking out the
the different colors, and when there's like those like looking

(30:31):
in the face where it's like we gotta get them, Like,
it's easy to be like, oh, that's so dumb and cheesy,
but it's like, yeah, but that's not for you. That
literally is not for you. That's for Naomi sitting in
the seat watching this and feeling empowered by something like that.
And you know, it's funny because it's it's interesting to
be on the outside of this conversation, which is the

(30:51):
same conversation I was having for Black Panther. Had open
discussion in the stream about a spoiler free Captain Marvel
review and of one one folk had to come in there,
uh and be mad. And you know, he eventually outed himself.
He was a white dude, he straight up said, because
he said, you know, he was talking about how oppressed
white dudes are right now. Um. But anyway, what was

(31:15):
interesting was that he one I I immediately because I
he came in we're having an open discussion. Like I said,
I'm listening to the criticisms. I'm open to the criticisms.
You don't have to like every movie. You just have
to have valid criticism. That's all I ask. And he
was like, oh, I didn't like the movie. And I
was like, he's like, no, he said the movies trash

(31:37):
and I was like, oh, why is it trash? It's
like I didn't like the actress. I was like, oh, yeah,
I've been hearing a lot of that, just kind of
this discussion we just had about Breed Larson and all this. Uh.
I was like, so what what didn't work for you?
And it goes, well, I didn't like what she said
When she said that. I was like, well, that's not
a criticism criticism of her, and now you're choosing to

(31:57):
hate the movie. And then and then it led to
a whole fight because luckily, you know, uh pup Games
one of my friends who she is a female, and
she was in there, and she obviously took words with
him because here he eventually saying he was like, it's
not He's like, it's not empowering to women. He was like,
she was like, you can't say that, how would you know?

(32:18):
And it's it's kind of the same thing where like
you you had a lot of people mad about all
the praise that Black Panther were in like literal YouTube,
white guys being like people acting like this is empowering
the black people, Like you wouldn't know, You generally wouldn't know,
Like I'm not even saying like you know, you can't say,
or I'm saying it is completely utterly impossible for you

(32:42):
to know, because that would be like if if if
you saw this is the worst example but always I'm
on a roll and I'm not gonna stop. If you
saw I am Sam and was like, this is inspiring
the SAMs. I can't tell you that that's not inspiring
to Sam's because I am not Sam. I am Iffy.
That is not my name, That is not who I am.

(33:02):
That is not my identity. So if someone says it
is inspiring to a specific identity and that person of
that identity, you're not smarter, You're not outside of the box.
Who can and you're you're you're the you're the smart
centrist who can be like, oh, that's just a corporation
trying to get you. Because a lot of these people
who trying because I've seen so many takes online about

(33:23):
being like, oh, this course, this multibillion dollar corporation is
so inspiring. Your whole life is built on corporations and
cartoons built to sell toys. You do, you are the
pot calling the kettle black, bro, You cannot say that
as if you call yourself a nerd, if you believe
yourself the nerd, you have immediately given given up all

(33:43):
rights to say that. Someone can't be inspired because it
comes from a huge corporation. Because everything, the core foundation
of almost everything marketed to nerds came out about first
as something to meant to sell toys. If you don't
believe us, go listen to the g I. Joe episode,
listen to the Ninja Turtle's episode, Go listen to the
Transformers episode. To any everything that our childhood of nerd

(34:08):
um is based off it, and that doesn't make it
a bad thing, But that does mean that that excuse
you're trying to use and the only thing that it
comes from his jealousy is whack. It's trash and it
doesn't make you cool. And oh they're a I don't
know it so nerd white nerds being mad about a

(34:29):
black panther was like Elon Musk being mad about me
getting five bucks. Like that's that's what it is, because
you have a wealth of knowledge and no one, no
one is blaming you from that because the same people
you're hating on are also consuming that and appreciates it,
sometimes in some cases even more than you. So there's
no reason to be mad. Why Why Like just the

(34:51):
spotlight is on someone for two seconds and it just
makes you uncomfortable. You should really talk to a therapist
and see why that is. I hope they do. We
have to te a really quick break and we will
be right back to get more, to get into more
Captain Marvel, and we are back. I did want to say,

(35:14):
as far as people saying any anytime anyone says dialogue
in a in a superhero film is corny, I'm like,
have you read comments? I mean, have you seen the
dialogue in every comic book ever? There's so many puns,
There's so many it's so corny, and that's what we
love about it. So I don't ever want to hear
that from anyone. Um. But also like if he was

(35:36):
saying it's not always for it has to be marketed.
Not all of those moments are for us, and I'm
really tired of I don't know what happened to the
generation above us and our generation to think that everything
has to be for us specifically, because it's just not.
It's just not. I mean, this is sorry to cut
you off, but I do kind of see why. And

(35:59):
it's very interesting because if you think about nerds, if
you think like we're lucky to be We're lucky to
be like people paid to be nerds. We're lucky to
be grown up in this time where nerdom is starting
to become mainstream. But if you think about where we
came from, back when you were getting made fun of
for liking DBZ, when we were getting made fun of
buying comics, it felt like it was for us because

(36:22):
no one else liked it but us, so to see it.
And there's two two paths. You can take the path
that we've taken, where we're excited for people to enjoy
this thing we've loved all our lives and and relinquished
ownership because we never owned it to begin with. Or
you take the dark side to keep it nerdy and
you want to keep it for yourself and you don't

(36:44):
even really want to keep it for yourself. You just
want to trickle it out just enough so that you're
always on top, because you run the risk of your
nerdom being saturated for someone to be a better nerd
that you. I don't think that's true. I don't think
that's a real thing, but I think people think that.
I object hard to the idea that, oh, you people
weren't nerdy before. My mother is a star Trek fan,

(37:05):
but she would never go to a Trek convention. She's
like a black lady who was constantly you know what,
you can't be a nerd, like you don't really watch
the stuff, and she didn't have an encyclopedic knowledge of
the show. She just added like just adamantly loved watching it.
And I feel like nerdspaces have always and maybe will
always have these gatekeepers who were just like, I own

(37:27):
this more than you because I'm able to recite more
knowledge on it than you. And I think that that's
so crazy, like how there's a whole series of Batman
movies where I'm like, that's not my Batman, and yet
if you enjoy them, I'm so happy to let you
just have that like it's so cool. It's cool that
you get your Batman. I understand the feeling of seeing
your character done right on screen. I understand being like,

(37:49):
that's the one I love so much, and now they're
here and it's so cool. I could interact with them.
My batman would never held a gun. But if that's
your Batman, like enjoy that, like love it. But then
you can't be mad when I have criticisms and critiques
of it. It's just still crazy to me to say
you can't be a nerd, Like there's no lock on
this door. You can't stop me from calling myself a nerd,
from participating in your nerd culture, from buying these comic books,

(38:11):
from loving it, and you're certainly not going to be
able to And I think it's such a small point,
like percentage of nerd population that's like we don't want
you here, and I almost want to like never talk
about them again, just like, well, you can't do anything.
You haven't done anything. Well they haven't, because she did
open up so as much as the trolls try to
take her down. And we talked about in our Captain
Marvel episode about how Raten Tomatoes had to change their

(38:35):
site because of this film. Um, but she made five
hundred million worldwide. Uh, this this her debut, So that
that is, uh, that is that we should Yeah, the trolls,
like you were saying, it is a minority, as much
as it seems really loud on Twitter. I wanted to
kind of segue over if we could talk about two

(38:57):
people that I wanted to talk about, well too, one
and a half people. One would be Mariah um and
the other is Goose. And so with Goose really fascinating.
I've seen so many memes aside some the fact that
we now know that that's how Nick Ferry got his
eye that way, but somebody did a meme of Thanos
because the scratch he has, that claws scratch on his

(39:21):
face and then they put that with Goose next to it. Um.
So in our Captain Marvel episode, Tiffany was explaining that
they have a time pocket in their in their mouth.
So do you think that that might affect do you
think that that might come into play? Is Goose still
around in current day? Where is he? And Yeah, if

(39:43):
we think about the last time we saw the timestone,
and it was the one thing the doctor Strange didn't
want yeah, Doctorane didn't want to give up, and then
he was like, this is the only way. And it's
such a huge thing about the time Stone, it wouldn't
surprise me if it came into effect later. So interesting.
I mean, I I hope he's Goose is around. It's
it was probably my favorite part of the movie as

(40:04):
a character. I had the most fun with how they
introduced that, how they tease like the surprise because the movie,
we knew where Carol was gonna end up basically everybody
else like bad guys probably gonna die and like good
guys probably gonna live. But with Goose, I was like,
you know what, this could be a fun like last
minute surprise for the movie, and it ended up being that.
So I hope that it's Goose is still around for
every future movie. It's such a good surprise and such

(40:26):
a fun gift to the fans. And now you have
an animal sidekick, Like I feel like nobody else got
animal sidekicks. I love. That's one of my favorite parts
of comics, Like Batman's got like the bat cow and
He's got the bat Dog, and Superman's got the Crypto
and everything. Dude, that it's got so many animals. I
love that Marvel finally has that totally um as far
as because Joel, I've seen you been tweeting about Maria

(40:46):
and uh and I like the fact that they had
they set it up for people that don't know Monica Rambo,
who is Captain Marvel in the comics, but that is
her daughter, that is Maria's daughter, So it looks like
we're going to eventually get Monica as Captain Marvel. When
Monica was like, yeah, when Day'm gonna be like just

(41:07):
like you go on Antiquaria and furious, like only if
you glow, Like here's like I might build a spaceship.
You don't know. It's like you're right, you don't know.
We're not about empowering moments, even though that's like nail
on the head. I was like, you tell little girls
that tell them they can like fight back with their
words and like they can dream big and like Mariah's
oh my gosh. Leshanna Lynch showed up and she was like,
I'm gonna be across from an Oscar winner. Every scene,

(41:28):
I'm gonna kill it. Every scene, I'm just gonna nail it.
She outperformed literally everybody every time she was on screen.
She was so great. Um, I hope Monica, if you
think about is gonna be in her like early thirties
when we get back. Um, I'm hoping that she's done
the fighter pilot stuff. I hope that she's maybe secretly
been trying to prepare to become an Avenger or reach

(41:48):
that superhero level. I want to see her beyond her stuff.
And then I don't know how much Old Black don't cracks,
So maybe Mariah also didn't age during that. After this
movie and Aquaman and Spider Verse, I have nephews who
are like they're all under nine and so like they
were like they kept asking me because they're trying to
get in the comics. Now the older one can read

(42:09):
to the younger like nephews and the niece and so
they're super excited. And after this movie, it was great
that they asked about Monica because they're like, who's that
going to be? And I was like a spectrum and
like that she's got like a new name now and
she's so pee it's crazy, it's insane the show that
kind of character in the movie and try to explain
to the kids. That was really hard for me, Like
she's like all energy, but she's like a person and
I'm like, this is you know what doesn't matter. She

(42:29):
can shoot stuff and sometimes she can turn like electricity.
That was the easiest way for them to like to
boil it down, and they got so excited and that's
all that really matters to me at the end of
the day. Like I had, she was that young girl
in the movie was amazing and she like out of
all the characters like Minus, like Taylor's like connected like
I got was able to understand his stuff really quick.
Her whole character and her excitement for the movie made

(42:51):
me more excited. So I can't wait for more of
her future movies and then just another thing on Rambo.
So if you if you're real, real excited. Well. In
two thousand nine, she appeared in the limited series Marvel Divas,
which was partly inspired by Sex in the City, where
she was one of the main characters of Black Cats,
hell Cat and Fire Stars. And there's nothing I want

(43:14):
to write more than the pilot to Marvel Divas for Disney.
Plus Uh, let's go Disney. I know you listening, give
me that money. But yeah, just so you know, Uh,
the series is four main storylines that are collect connected
to a larger story. Hellcat deals with her ex husband Damien,
hell Storm's attempt to reinto her life, Photon is dealing

(43:36):
with an X, helps brother Voodoo retrieve a powerful artifact,
and Black Cat return considers a return to the life
of crime and Firestar graduate student studying art history deals
with her radiation powers giving her breast cancer. Yeah. Yeah,
that's that's that's a nice short series rights covering all that.

(44:01):
Come home, man, and look, I will get it. If
you want someone like Danny or Joel to write it
instead of me, I totally understand. Yeah, I'm in whatever,
Disney Plus once. I'm here for you. Please. Um I
did like, I did like the pulp fiction references that

(44:22):
happened throughout the movie, and I love all the memes
that have been popping up. So I'm a meme queen.
I do think that we have to wrap up now. Review.
Let's wrap this up, so where can people find you saying, well,
before we go, you have to end this like we
in every review out of ten nerties is did we
move it to ten? It was? Was it fine? I

(44:43):
have no idea it was? I said five? And then
you may be bumping up to ten, so it is
ten nerties out of ten nerdies. What do you review movie?
We'll start with Sam. I'd give it. I think I
give it like a solid eight out of ten nerdies,
like a solid like B minus, because there's a lot

(45:05):
that I enjoyed. There's like mainly when it came to
story stuff, I didn't really know where we're going sometimes
or who was who. But at the end of the day,
I had a blast. And I recommend it to people,
and not even just like you gotta watch all twenty
seventeen of these movies. You can watch this and have
a good time totally. Ah, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
price this right you and say seven and a half nerdies. Uh.

(45:28):
And I can't give it like a full B because
just so it was confused. It was just a confused movie.
But from the messages to the visual aesthetic of just
her powers was really fun and um, I just oh god,
I cannot wait for part two. I just feel like

(45:49):
we're going to keep getting closer and better and more defined. Um,
you think that we're going to get higher further fast,
were better. You don't have to feel bad about seven
point five out of ten, because I'm definitely giving it
a hard seven out of ten. Uh, we're going down. Yeah,
I'd like I said it was super fun. I loved it.

(46:09):
I enjoy it. I like what it's I like what
it means for people. For me, I think you're right.
It felt like they were trying to tell too many movies.
And then honestly, the subtle feminist moments really made the
heavy handed ones feel overdone. I was like, if that
last moment would have felt so much stronger if you weren't,
you know, hitting it over the head. And I know

(46:30):
what it sounds like being a man and saying that,
but I'm just for me. It's like, you know, if
I am to borrow from uc B playing at the
top of our intelligence, we don't we we we can
make these subtle movies. There's so much you had to
play with, and I think it has nothing to do
with the movie itself and more to do with so
many hands in the pot. You have so many storytellers.

(46:51):
People want to tell the stories the other way. Uh,
seven writers to direct? Yeah, yeah, there, and you can
tell because there's a lot of fat to trim, you know,
And but all in all, still a fun movie. We
got a buddy cop movie from Marvel guys. Yeah, that
was one of my favorite parts. Also, just really quick,
the way they narrowed down her origin of making it
cucumbersome sometimes in the comics, the way they narrowed it

(47:14):
down and made it originally m C. I was like, actually,
this is awesome because I have no idea what they're
gonna do with some hurdles to clear this movie. It's
hard to be mad. And how they came to this conclusion. Oh, um,
I'm going to give it an eight out of ten nerdies.
I really did. Um gosh, those the final like thirty
minutes of it were so kick so I guess that's

(47:36):
the Oh. I might have to get believed for that one.
But um, I just I loved seeing her in the
height of her um. I loved seeing her in the
height of her power. And I really am curious to
see and man, that post credit scene when she dropped
in everyone, when she dropped in with the Avengers, everybody
and the even I like gasp, like we knew it
was going to happen, and I still gasp at it.

(47:58):
I was just like, there's that moment is what made
me believe we could get a soldier out of Free
Larson soon because the determination, the look she gives them
of just where's Nick, Like I don't know who any
of you are getting here to do a thing was
so powerful and like how much like I've been who
hasn't been excited for endgame? But like seeing that, I
was like, can it be now? Like I am ready
right now, I'm gonna see hopefully we see Goose too.

(48:26):
Our flirking um that I think is where can everyone
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on and we talked about Alita, so that was a
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I'm tweeting and instagram on my I have my panels

(48:49):
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if he's on Twitch. Thanks to all the nerd fan
getting that discord. It's it's it's getting rella active. It's been,
it's been lots of discussion there. We're gonna keep the

(49:10):
fun alive. Uh if he's uh all right, I don't
know what Danny's looking at. Uh if he's on Twitch,
but definitely, Uh, come hang with Salt Squad. Uh discord
dot g G slash Salt Squad. We're in there. There's
lots of folders. Sometimes I'm gaming with Dan, sometimes I'm
chatting with Danny. Lots of fun stuff, lots of nerd

(49:32):
fan popping up and having the huge nerdy discussion and sharing.
Nerdy peeps keep it from their working all be kind
to each other and stay nerdy