March 24, 2020 • 47 mins
Week one of the lock down has concluded in LA. Dani and Ify spent the week revisiting the best moments of Marvel's billionaire underdog, Tony Stark. Guest Coy Jandreau walks us through the connection to Walt Disney, Howard Hughes, and Tony's famous facial hair. Join us, as we escape our reality and embrace the nostalgia wave on this week's Nerdificent.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey all, this is Danny. I just wanted to give
you a heads up on today's episode. So we're still
trying to record remotely with our guests, which is proving
to be a bit more of a challenge than we
thought it would be. Just you know, it was just
difficult to have to sink up the audio would be
like someone could hear, then someone couldn't hear, and then
we moved from different you know, zoom to Google hangouts
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to this to that, and then finally we just decided
to do it on our phone. It just was not
sinking up. We're still trying to get access to our
equipment so um and also stay safe. We're trying to
take care of ourselves and our families and we have
a lot of priorities right now, but still trying to
check in every week and do this. So this episode
might sound like you're talking to your friends on the
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phone and listening to a conversation with your friends back home,
because that is exactly what it is. We had to
call each other on the phone. Very old school, uh,
super charming though. Coy Jondro, who's on it, is amazing
as always in drops a lot of knowledge about Iron
Man but I just wanted to give you a heads up.
We're very aware we troubleshooted a lot this weekend and
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moving forward, hopefully we can figure it out this week.
But anyways, enjoy this episode on Iron Man, Stay safe. Hello,
and welcome to another edition of Nerd Assistant. I'm one
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half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and sitting on a
different in a different area of Los Angeles than me is. Yeah,
we're not sitting across from each other, I r L.
But digitally, i'd say, I imagine myself staring you right
down the barrel the two eyeball aeren no. But yeah,
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we're back. We're back together again. You through this pen,
damn man, and you know we're still We're still gonna
keep it popping because you know what, we still got
to give the people what you want. We uh bear
with us while our audio this week, we got to
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figure out this recording situation. UM, it's kind of hard
to more hard, harder than you would think, UM trying
to get like four people online at various locations. But
joining us this week, we have a good friend of
ours who was on for multiple episodes, and that is Coyndro.
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Thank you for joining us so excited? Uh, can we
speak to the irony of us doing a self quarantine
episode while we talked about a superhero that protects himself
from iron suice, Like, there's sort here the story of
us feeling isolated while also talking from across the cities. Yeah, no,
that's the thing we were, you know, keeping it real.
You know, this is what people need to hear. You know,
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so people might because honestly, you know the origin it
wasn't like a self quarantine, but you know, only was
trapped and uh and what did you do with that
traffed energy? He made a suit? So maybe this would
inspire us with listeners to make a make a COVID
suit and and then um, you know fight. I don't know. Well,
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let's just get right into it. Folk. There's really a
short ish episode, which is fine until we figure out
this situation, our recording situations. Um coit. Can you start
the people off by just letting them know the origins
of Tony start like when he first appear. So one
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of my favorite things about Tony Stark is family longer
event a superhero that was kind of unlikable. They set
out to make a character that he thought no one
would appreciate, so intentionally kind of stand office someone that
would be appreciated by the masses. And to me, that's
SUPs the marvel is there's this constant, undergone mentality even
with his own fans, like the underdog, amongst even likability.
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So he came around of the late sixties. Um he
showed up first, and I think like the nineteen sixty
three fifty four, and then he had his own comic
by the late fifties. So it took four or five
years from had his own run and he took off
in Tales of Suspense, and that's where you get like
the iron Man one origin raising that very bulky suit,
the full block, the I Am iron Man grew and
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then by the time he started in his own title
that was the more Red and Yellow Suit. It evolved
really quickly. But he was meant to be modeled after
Howard Hughes, who if you guys don't know Howard Hughes,
Howard Hughes was a prolific inventor, but a bit of
a dick uh and a bit of a rec loose
and kind of a crazy person. Uh. If you've seen
that the Aviator Leonardo DiCaprio played Howard's Hughes, and you
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may remember that he ended up living in a in
a small area of peeing in jars and going insane,
and I feel like that kind of reflects the Tony
Start's mentality, like Demon in a Bottle, Demon in the Bottle,
one of the most iconic runs of Iron Man and
Demon in the Bottle. For Howard, he was really peaking
and bottled. There's a lot of beautiful cemetery with the
real life, and then Disney when they took over, kind
of made his dad, Howard Starks. No coincidence, Howard Howard
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uh an amalgamation of Howard Hughes and Walt Disney. So
it's really cool how life kind of reflected, Arn't this
his character that we now have Disney owning the character
and mirroring it after their own creator while also mirroring
their original creator. And iron Man himself is very much
Robert Downey Jr. Who has managed to play with a
likable character so likably. So the story of Iron Man
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from the sixties on is this amazing life imitating art
imitating life situation and now he's got one of the
most icon of characters that were and he was a
C lister up until the movies. So it's cool that
he's so popular. Now, yeah, I was gonna say so.
These were some of Lee as Stanley Scots in nineteen three.
He had been twined with the idea of a businessman superhero.
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He wanted to create the quote quintessential capitalist. Uh this
is a quote from him. I think I gave myself
a dare. It was the height of the Cold War.
The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing
they hated, it was war. It was the military. So
I got a hero who represented that to the hundred degree.
He was a weapons manufacturer. He was providing weapons for
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the army. He was rich, he was an industrialist. I
thought it would be fun to take the kind of
character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like,
and shove him down their throats and make them like him.
And he became very popular. That's so fascinating that he
wanted to do something that he knew, like you said,
would make a character incredibly unlikable, including having Guy Fiery's
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facial hair. Uh. Yeah. I always thought the facial hair
was a visual cue because when you see it, dude,
It's how of what's the nineties go to today? Like
if you see a dude like with a Nickel Bax
shirt and I kind of go to You're like, well, man,
and I'm not gonna talk to that guy. And I
feel like the Tony starkspacial hair is very much a
visual like, well that's not for me. So even down
to a spacial player, they've always given him this like
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hyper aggressive, hyper masculine, hyper down your throat for sona
and then people have often compared him to you know,
billionaire philanthropist. Uh, two different versions of characters. There's some
Batman parallel, but to me, what's interesting is that Tony
Stark is just as hard on the outside as the
iron Man suit, whereas Bruce Wayne, the persona of Bruce Wayne,
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is the fake persona, like Bruce Wayne is the character.
Batman is the reality, whereas iron Man definitely feels like
what Tony Stark idealizes himself has. So I feel like
Tony Stark and the Iron Man is much more of
the same thing. Where does Bruce Wayne and the Batman
are two very different things. I feel like Bruce Wayne
Batman are there's a dichopany there that doesn't exist with
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Iron Man and Tony Stark. I think the brusque outside
Hardshell maintains itself when you meet Tony Stark. Very few
people I feel like, actually know who Tony Stark is,
which is a really different character choice. Well, I feel
like Tony Stark is very messy, like publicly messy, like
even though he they're both you know, billionaires, I feel
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Tony embraces that and Bruce is more about appearances and
so I don't think he allows himself. He's so put together.
I mean, it's funny that Christian Bale played him because
he also was an American psycho, and that's what I
think of. It is just this like slick back hair,
super well put together. You never see him off his
game when he's Bruce Wayne, whereas Tony, like publicly I think,
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is okay with being a jokester and a prankster and
like he's just to me, he was just like a
like a messier younger brother of Bruce or some things
if they're both billionaires, like one like a black sheet
and one's the leader of the family. And the fact
that Johnny Jr. Improvised the iron iron Man line. It's
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so embodies the character, the fact that the more of
the universe forever changed because iron Man revealed himself in
the first movie that the interne you picked off of
iron Man and it ended with something, I am iron Man.
That's such a Tony Stark move. What's that's such a arrogance.
This is how it's gonna be on the side of
this precedent. So I love the that we live. We
live in a time where iron Man is so self
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actualized because I'd argue that iron Man knows himself more
in the movies than he did in the comics until
the movies existed. I think we know who iron Man
is in a comic more now because of the movies
that you well, I think to casting somebody that had
a addiction issue that could speak to that probably bought it.
Brought a lot of heart in the character. Yeah, I
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think someone that identifies with being rich and uncertain what
to do with that power is exactly why the characters
so real. The iron Man three, which is I think
still slept on, dealing with PTSD and dealing with trauma
and like all the mental aspects of that movie, I
think it's incredible that that's a superhero film, but it
really takes that side of things seriously and that that's
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the strength of the character of Iron Man is he's
unlikable and yet he's got all that heart that's buried
under an iron suit. That was kind of what was
so kind of poetic about iron Man and the le
of iron Man is that, you know, iron Man becomes
this comeback character who liked defeats his like alcoholism and
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kind of moves forward and has new life. And that's
kind of what that was for Like Robert Downey Jr.
In his real life, you know, he was just coming
off This was kind of his like the Iron Man
was was kind of his comeback movies after kind of
being not necessarily but kind of blacklisted within Hollywood because
he just had this, you know, addiction problem. And then
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he kind of this new clean life that he kind
of gets to portray in this movie. And I think
it really did turn his whole career. Yeah, I was
gonna say. Writer Gary Conway said, Um, this was of
the comics. Here you have this character who on the
outside is invulnerable, i mean just can't be touched, but
inside is a wounded figure stand made it very much
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and in your face was you know, his heart was broken,
you know, literally broken. But there's a metaphor going on there,
and that's I think what may that character interesting? Now?
Jerry Conway should be noted the last time I was
underr shirt, we talked Punisher. That is the man who
made Punisher. That is the man who kills Gwynn Stacy.
That is the man who knows all about pain and
heart and suffering to call some of the most suffering
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and all the comics books. Uh so, I I love
that his pick on Iron Man is like, I killed
Gwynn Stacy, but man, that Iron Man knows pain and suffering.
So yeah, then Iron Man is uh is It's cool
that he's kind of a pseudo leader of the Avengers
because you've got Captain America, who's the opposite. He's kind
of like hard on his sleeve and Iron Man is
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like mess on his sleeve, but he's kind of hides
his heart. A lot of people like the Wasp, and
a few people know like what what gets the Iron
Man and how he kicks, But he's got so many
like iron walls up in h in the comics and
the movie. Yes, so another thing I wanted to talk about.
I know we compared him to Bruce Wayne, who's a
ladies man. Uh, but iron Man is also a ladies man.
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In fact, uh Stan Leaf said, of all the comic
books we published at Marvel, we got more fan mail
for iron Man from women than any other title. We
didn't get much fan mail from girls, but whenever we did,
the letter was usually addressed to iron Man. I find
that fascinating because I don't know who they think they're writing. Uh.
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Maybe they think that he's a real person over at Marvel,
um Mr Stark. But that's adorable that women were writing.
I guess that they just wanted more of him, or
there's that Hue Hester persona, Like, there's that element and
he really doing the Hue Hester tabio and iron Man
like that. It's it's definitely a bit of the braggadocious
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nature of Tony Stark. So I can definitely see that
being appealing to a certain demographic. Uh. So it's really
funny that there's it's it's it's interesting how people want
fictionalized characters so like represent a piece of them, And
I feel like that's completely happens with Tony Stark. So
you you throwed up Demon in the Bottle, and I
think we should probably like explain that a little more
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for uh, for the listeners, because Demon in the Bottle
was nine issues story arts from the Invisible Iron Man
that was published issues one twenty three, nineteen seventy nine.
Was that all about? So imagine like fresh off the
Comics Code Authority, they're worried about printing anything that portrays
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too much violence or drugs us or any of these things.
And then you've got one of your your characters at
your place wielding the marble banner being an alcoholic on
the cover. It's one of the most it's one of
the most coffeed covers. It's one of the most you know,
imitated storylines. But a guy with all of that power
drunk in his suit. It's a commentary on duise. It's
a commentator like commentary and power responsibility like people behind
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the wheel of a car is one thing that is
horrible and reflective of the time. And then imagine someone
with the button like on the nuke, Like, if you
can wield an iron suits, you're exceed the terrifying commentary
on power, uh, and and saying you will about this country,
but we definitely wield powered in very interesting ways. So
I liked him in the seventies and weird going through
some more commentary, they really looked at an industrialist who
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made weapons not being able to handle his addiction. So
demon of the model was him looking at himself and
realizing he had a problem, realizing that he was an addict,
realizing that he couldn't handle his own like he didn't
like himself enough to handle himself well. And this country
has always had a weird thing with alcohol, like we
look at up until recently, we'd was something you go
to prison for life, spore like we we'd has always
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been this thing. But since prohibition we have alcohol is
like this totally acceptable vice and drug. So I am
Man was like, nah, right, you could die, like this
is an aggressively bad time. So it really its shepherded that,
And I think that's really cool that comics looked at
alcohol in a way that movies glorify alcohol, books glorify alcohol.
Comics were like, no, no, this is just as dangerous,
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if not more than a lot of things. You can
walk to the understore and get behind the wheel of
the car or an iron suit. Yeah, I I just
wanted to scrib have to cover from those who haven't
seen it and looking at it. I definitely saw this before,
so so just so people who may not exsud it.
And you can google this. If you look up iron Man,
even in the bottle, first, it will give you the
trade that doesn't have the cover, and it's like, what
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are you doing the whole But then if you look
at it just to show you, but it's it's the
Iron Man cover. He's uh, he's he's sitting in a suit,
but under the suit is the Iron Man suit. The
Iron Man helmet is Everything about this cover is pretty righty.
The helmet is looking at him. It's it's in the
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it's from the mirror, shows a bottle of whiskey. What
it's kind of poured over, looks like he drinks them
and he's sweating staring at his reflection in the mirror
of like who he is. It's it's there's so many
little like details just in this cover that are just
great and tell me story. We talked about a spacially literally.
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Another cool thing about this cover is he's not clost
to like his his suit dracket, his torn he's got
like you know, uh, not even five o'clock shadow like
ten o'clock shadow, and like you, he's a he's a
broken ln And they reflected that film and Iron Man
too with that party scene. Also in Infinity War, um,
when he's talking to the helmet, and in an endgame
at the beginning when he's talking to helmet, there's a
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lot of that. Yeah, the Hamlet metaphor, like the hamlet
metaphors in this company. That's so great. You're exactly right.
I just watched endgame again and while we're stuck in here,
and uh, that's exactly what I thought of. There's also, um,
I'll have to send this to all over our Google
hang out, but there's somebody recreated the cover with a
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Lego so it's like a Lego. Angry Tony starts looking
at his little Lego helmet and then there's little Lego
wine bottles knocked over. That's amazing. But there's also a
Deadpool moboration of that. I was gonna say, there's also
milestone uh figure where it's an action figure of just
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that scene. It's completely sold out though, good look, I'm
desperately seeing if there's any pricing on it. It was
originally one highly doubt you're gonna find it for that much. Yeah,
that Deadpool and the Jerry Duggan run. Not in Confused
Jerry Conway. There's a cover with Deadpool and it's it's
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the same cover. It's Tony Start looking in the mirror,
but a Deadpool looking back at him, drinking a like
a like a shake and it's like the Curly Gold.
But also the during the time, like seventy nine was
was at the model and this was when all the
spy stuff was really big and popular. So there's also
like the Tony Star James Vond commentary, there's a lot
of the spionage flavor and all those things. So to
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have the character of that hyper masculine and at the time,
like you know, we have a country don't talk about
like men's emotions nearly enough in general, but especially not
these hyper masculine characters. So to have someone like Tony
Starts to have an alcohol problemly like having James Vond
be like, I don't bring mar teens anymore. It was
a really big thing to have that kind of character.
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Do you like John Hamm having alcohol problem? Bad man?
It was a really different time, so it kind of
changed the whole tone of comics in the eighties. Yeah,
this country is intense. Yeah, it's really great. Uh And
you know obvious for all your collectoring out there, and
I'm going for too much. He's not going to break
because all things considered, iron Man, even with all the popularity,
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since he's had so many runs of comics, he gets
canceled a lot because he wants this popular as popular
until the movies and stuff, you can get a decent
runt of Iron Man. Comics were not too bad. Like
as far as the cost of collecting goes, he's not
your Spider Man, he's might your recommend Yeah, they're demon
in the bottle showing point five quality. Uh. And in
the case, right now, get out of internet. We have
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to take a really quick break. We're gonna hop into
more iron Man right after that and we are back.
We're still here with Coy. Uh So, Coy, you were
going to talk to us about the his different suits.
I'm looking actually at a poster of all his man'
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that's pretty legit. Um, he's a he's a toymaker's dream
before there were toys, like we're not there. Before there
were toys, but before they made a hundred different toys
now at a different times. But if you look at
the suit, it's really fun because you've got all the
different coloring, you've all got all the different shapes and designs.
It's kind of like the fun of getting to draw
a car or a vehicle, but on a man. So
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he's a fun thing for an artist to design. And
then there's the military and medieval aspect. There's the um
you know, aerodynamic aspect. You look at the Ultimate Iron
Man suit, it looks completely different than the regular Iron
Man suit. You look at kind of the spinoff characters
like war Machine, and you can it becomes more kank like.
So the design of the character is a lot of
fun because depending on what you need the power set
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to do, you can make the suit that You've got
your underwater suits, you've got your space suits, you've got extremists,
You've got all these things. And it's really fun because
the writer in the artists get to really redesign and
shape the character. And as long as it looks enough
like Iron Man's Iron there one of these are not
gonna lie. Looks kind of like Captain I mean Captain Plane.
That does not surprise me. I like the Iron Patriots,
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sup because he kind of took over the stars and
stripes flavor of Captain America as like this kind of
tongue in cheek case and uh, that also became a
tricky suit because it was a villain suit. Norman Osborne
actually get ahold of it when he was leading the
funder Bolts, so that suits became an icon of good
and then immediately evil. And that's you know say about Marvel.
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But they're never not political. This was during a very
certain time in our country and it wasn't interesting runs. No, Yeah,
we talked about this when we've talked about some about there.
I think we talked about this on your episode that
Marvel and DC have covered every single war since there
in steps in and so I think it's really funny
that whenever people are like keep politics out of it,
and it's just like since you've ever been involved in comics,
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they have been political. He's been political. Comics weren is
not invented for that only, but like part of their
invention was to be political commentary like comic books are.
That's why there's political comics. That's why in the newspaper
you have a commentary on thing so it's also the
voice of society. You've got literature meeting art, which are
too very politically charged things. So it's really funny when
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any piece of pop cultures like keep closics out of it.
It's like, not pop culture reflects the times and at
the times you're dire, that's gonna be the thing. And
if you've got a war profiteering character Tony Starting, the
character that made billions of war and then was destroyed
by those devices and then fought wars like that sounds
a little politically, y'all. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say
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the need for superheroes and itself is innately political because
like we have we have governmental you know, we have
our own military and officers and things like that. And
then to say, oh, but we still need people fighting crime.
It's kind of a political commentary in my mind, um
about inadequacies and injustices. But um, I wanted to talk
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to you quite too about submit to your favorite Iron
Man storylines. So the politics actually ties nicely into that
because you've got like Colonel Rhodes, whose war machine is
obviously that's that's very that's American militaries that ties into
that world and that leads beautifully in the Civil War.
The Civil War is you know about the Registration Act,
and if we're talking about, you know, government control, there's
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not much more controlling than revealing your identity or not
or you know, in the times we live in now,
big brother, and how much access the government has for
our privacy and ships. And obviously Civil War was a
commentary on that is privacy in your own individual rights
as as a citizen. So iron Man saying basically, I
want this to be publicly known and Captain America going
against it. That's a giant piece of pit commentary. I
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think Civil War is an absolutely brilliant run that got
in America killed. In the comics, one of my favorite
single issues of Iron Man is called The Confession, And
if Brian Michael Bendis wrote it, if I remember correctly,
and uh, it's after Cap dies and it's Tony at
his bedside basically apologizing for being wrong. So it's Tony
Stark and talking to CAP's dead body like I'm so
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sorry I got you killed at un sucked up. So
that's kind of the strength of iron Man is he
doesn't he thinks he's right up until he's wrong. I
killed me the first to apologize after he's proven completely wrong,
but he'll be the last one that stays wrong because
that's the character and and that's that's demon in the bottle.
That's that's extremist. He's also one of my other favorite artists,
the Infamous iron Man, and he kind of goes power
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crazy and he puts devices in the entire country and
he helps people that can't walk, he helps the disabled,
he helps people with you know, um, the curance for
all these diseases, but then he starts charging for them,
and basically it starts profiteering off of the entire country's health.
So it's kind of the giant supervillain Tony Stark arc.
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So Infamous iron Man is oh sorry, Superior iron Man,
my bad. Superior iron Man is him becoming a almost
dictator like Dr Doom and profiteering off of everyone's health,
but also thinking like wait, wait, I helped everyone, why
why shouldn't I make money? So Superior iron Man is
check out like it's it's a crazy And that's also
I mean, that's about political. It gets while we're dealing
with a fucking COVID crisis. Um, but it's gonna be
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really interesting to see how you reflect these times in
comic books, because iron Man is gonna be reflecting the
President in about six months, and Superior iron Man would
totally be about you know, government testing for coronavirus parts rise. Uh.
So there's been a lot of arcs that are dealing
with profiteering. Um I really like extremists because it's him
um his power sat basically he can bring the suit
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to him at all time, so it's dealing with nanotech.
Currently in the comics, he's downloaded his psyche, he died,
and he's an AI entity. Iron Man right now is
just an AI construct. Tony starts dead, so it's him
dealing with the concept of what reality is. Is my
memories and my existence real? Is my body real? What
does it mean to be real? Am I just a program?
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So very like existential insanity? Well, I was gonna say,
because he was talking about how Cap died. But Tony's uh,
what are the instances of him like sacrificing himself in
the comics. Well, but there's arm Awards, which is another
one of his best arts, where he basically has to
take out all of his suits and then they reflect
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that iron Man three, and it was kind of like
the death of Iron Man, not Tony Stark, so sacrificing
all of this technology, all of that for the greater good. Um,
he sacrifices himself. And the ultimates run quite a bit.
The ultimates. He's very much the the modern billionaire craziness. UM.
So he's definitely sacrificed his company many time. Uh starts
tach has been owned by lost a lot of people. Um,
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but Tony Stark himself only, which is funny to say
because comics has only died like four or five times.
I want to talk about the movies because it's so
interesting how big are Man now when back when? And
I believe we talked about this before in the podcast,
where like when the Iron Man the movie was made,
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it was just made because they're like, well, this is
a this is a no lift factor, this is a
character that no one's attached to. This is just iron Man.
It's not a Spider Man, it's not a you know,
exist So we can just make this movie and try
to see and then it just blows up and and
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for our our dj okay rather down a jaire being
like the biggest part of it. I think a lot
of people don't know. One didn't even want a Rotter
Downey Jr. Uh ad the uh at the beginning because
of the bad publicity and the rest that he had
his drug. Yeah. They wanted Tom Kaiz, yeah, which such
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a different one. I think that like I could see
Tom Cruise as a Tony starts. Like, you fix some
of the archetypes, you fix some of the storylines, you
fix some of the stuff. But if you think about
Tom Cruise movies, they're very much Tom Cruise, and it's
kind of like, uh, kind of like how the X Men,
in my opinion, got messed up in the movies because
they were Wolverine and the X Men. It was it
was Brian Singer's new There was never an X Men show.
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So I don't if if we got Tony Stark as
Tom Cruise, it would have been that it would have
been Tom Cruise as Tony Starks, but we wouldn't have
gotten me into you in the way it is today.
Wouldn't have been the Avengers, it wouldn't have been these
giant team ups because I feel like it wouldn't have
been like Mission Impossible. Tried to bring in Jeremy Renner
as like the second guy, and then it's back to
doing Tom Cruise age fifty something, doing all the insanity
still because Tom Cruise, like this is my franchise. You know,
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it's so funny. Is Um Crisis on Infinite Earth? You
know they had like all these alternate the CW had
all these alternate Superman then Batman, And it would be
really funny if Marvel did that but had Tom Cruise
as like the alternate Tony Stark. If they ever like
a full on live action Spider Verse type thing where
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there's alternate reality and Tom Cruise cameos for five minutes,
like if it's like old man Stark, like Downey Junior
doesn't want to come back. There's like a Kang storyline.
Can you imagine Kang bringing in like seven year old
Tom Cruise in ten years, fifteen years. I was gonna
say John Krasinski audition like what five times they're sent
like to be cap Um, So that could also be
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John could also be the alternate universe cap in spite
of like just everybody that auditions for it that almost
got it, that like is really close looking but not
quite totally embodies the character. Just like have them be
the alternate universe ones that would be so funny, you know,
like Josh Hutchers Center, Dylan O'Brien a spider Man, like
meeting Tom holand not to mention the be so dope
(28:50):
Timothy Shallow may imagine. I still think you made a
great moments bore Man can imagine like Timmy Shalomy as
like the best friend but like super handsome and evil. Yeah,
that would. I was gonna say one thing about the
movie that I remember is it kind of just set
the bar and changed the game for all of the
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superhero movies after that. It was like nothing was quite
like it. Uh it still it had a ton of
comedy in it, and I just remember the soundtrack to
like a CBC and all of that. Like it just
really I think changed the game for superhero movies. Like
that was that was the next phase of superhero movies. Well,
two thousand Night had both The Dark Knight and Iron
(29:35):
Man in one year, so the Dosan Night was about
to change the decade, and it changed the entire genre
because no one loved or hate You can't argue that
two thousand times We're a superhero decade. That's what movies changed.
The industry. That's all that, and it kicked all the
iron Man a dark Knight, and iron Man was like
gifing the thing such a such a not gamble, gamble.
It was a gamble financially because they were giving it
(29:55):
to John Fabre who at the time that made swingers
and smaller films. Robert Downey Junior, who had just finished
you know, his his comeback with Kiss, Kiss Bang Bang,
which is still the most left on movie of our time.
Uh Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is, I would say, the
most underappreciated film all of the mountains. Uh So he
had one movie like just coming back, So that's a
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hard sell to anybody. And then it's the thing that
launches the biggest industry of all times. So iron Man
for me, is probably the biggest underdog story in cinema,
like because you know, Lord of the Ring is gonna
make a million dollars. You know, Spider Man's gonna make
all this money. Iron Man is an unknown studio being
released by Paramounts. It wasn't even released by Marvel Studios
because they didn't have distribution. Like it was only twelve
(30:39):
years ago that Marvel Studios couldn't release a movie. Paramount
had to be like, all right, fine, we'll call the theaters.
We know ere's your ship, and now it's it's Marvel,
like it's crazy. So that was a huge list, and
uh I remember the writing production was they were making
upsides as they went along, which became a problem with
Iron Man too. Is like the script was being written
(31:00):
John Fabro and Downey Junior as they went along. So luckily,
you know, Jeff Bridges was super amiable to improve the
Downey Junior obviously is a genius of improv. But it's
insane that the movie that changed the entire decade of
the twenties ten wasn't finished being written when they were
filming it. Wild. It also was a time before I
was like, oh my god, shows before Star Wars was
(31:20):
was Disney Disney and Marvel is was Disney totally spent
back that time, and they only had Iron Man because
they couldn't sell them in the in the late night
early thousand. Marvel was so broke they were selling off
their characters so universal, not whole, because everyone knows whole.
Spider Man went to Sony, X Men went to Fox.
They couldn't unload Iron Man if they wanted to, so
(31:42):
that they're like, we should make our own movies. We've
got this Iron Man of the God of Thunder, and
like I mentioned today, well, it's really funny to me
because their choice of picking these characters that are C
list characters kind of fit with like this outcast. Like
when I think of Chris Pratt, he always played like
this goofy kind of not he wouldn't he wasn't considered
(32:03):
like an A list the hunky actor. He wasn't the
Brad Pitt or whatever. And so to me, it's really
fascinating that they were able to make gold with having
outcast actors playing outcast characters. And even broader than that,
we talked about like Marvel using the Underdog comics book
studio with their characters being underdogs. You've got Spider Man,
(32:24):
anyone to sere wear the mask, You've got all of
these things. And then the studio that couldn't get their
own distribution becomes the biggest studio in the world. That's like,
that's like Rudy, but the studio that's like a sports movie,
that's remember that's tightened. Yeah, we have to take another
really quick break and then we're gonna hop back into
Iron Man and talks about the future of iron Man
right after this, and we're back walking back to their
(32:54):
different I am across from me Digital League, Deny Fernandez Here,
we're doing it. We're trying to do it. Um, which
still we still have our friend Poy hearing m coy. Um,
let's talk about re re when really took over the mantle? Um?
(33:16):
What what happened with that storyline? So, really Williams is
another Brian Michael Bendas creation. He's come up a couple
of times. He also invented mild Morales. He's also written
a lot of the best quickly iron Man. That's like
his voice really suited Tony Stark and that snarks uh
if you actually a lot of people know iron Man
(33:37):
from the movies. The moment where iron Man puts on
the Infinity Gauntlet is a Jono Ter JR. Brian Michael
Bendis cover. That's there's a cover of iron Man wielding
the Infinity Gauntlet. So Brian Michael Bendis the writer knows
iron Man very well, and really Williams was one of
his creations. She's fairly new, she's only five years old
something like that, around five years old. Um, And she
(33:58):
is a young scion prodigy. She's from Chicago. She lost
one of her very good friends at a young age.
She's got the marvel traditional like her parents are are
tricky than our understander, and I lost someone very important
to me in this case. What I liked about her
is she didn't lose her parents. She had a single
mom raised her and she lost her best friend. So
losing a friend in the streets from Chicago, Like, that's
(34:20):
a really traumatic experience and it was nice to not
have the traditional life Uncle Ben or Batman parents Like
it was a friend. So she kind of represents the
modern day, like the kid on the streets, Like people
lose people, their peers, and that's just as traumatic as
your parents. So she's the street kid from Chicago. And
she gets accepted to m I T at like sixteen,
(34:41):
So I have a soft spot Perrina released from a
Boston kid to the fact that she's like an m
I T kid at sixteen is like hell yeah, uh.
And she invents her own suit. She goes to m
I T by day, Fight Fight Villany by night. Uh.
She's like a snarky little girl from the Chicago streets.
Um and she starts up a kind of a stink
with all these other girls that are that are hyper
(35:03):
intelligent science girls. Uh. And it's a it's a book
led by um Lost and it's it's girl like. It's
an acronym for girls as pretty. The accronym is because
there's so much comics, but it's it's like a think
tanks for intelligence, scientifically based women. And I think that's
just so rad for girls to have science as the
basis of a book. For a kid to read a
(35:23):
book and you're like superheroes, just super smart, like re
rely superpower is she did the ship and she's smart,
and that's uh. I think that's the best thing we
can teach kids, especially if they're from rougher neighborhoods, especially
if they're trying to see what right and wrong is.
Like the moral compass that Rearri Williams gives kids from
the streets, especially people that have lost people to gun
violence and to growing up and not the knights of neighborhood.
(35:46):
Leary Williams is literally the definition of Rag's riches and
she's using it to help people. And she's not rich,
she's just got a hypeman suit. I was gonna see
so she also popped up um in Marvel Rising Hard
and Iron Right. She's voiced by Sophia Wiley. Sorry, go ahead, Yeah,
she's she's got a cartoon. She also she's in The Champions,
(36:07):
so she's got like a spin off book. So she's
caught like. The Champions are like a very uh politically
charged of Avengers. The Champions go after, you know, the
smaller things where they can help people on the street,
and the book is very uh self aware and that
it's trying to get messengers across. So she's a character
that's really like, hey, this is messed up. These are
the people we need to be helping. So the Champions
and her cartoon are both very politically charged out to
(36:30):
what it's likes to roll up in these less than
apple wood areas and how we can all be helping. Well,
you'll have this point because n I T. Actually in
two seventeen, their admissions department released a short live action
video of re Re walking around campus, attending class, and
building an iron Heart suit in her dormitory. We live
(36:51):
in a time where am I T made a re
Re Williams video? Can we just take a moment to
appreciate that's what it's like in the nineties if Harvard
was like, yeah, we've got this girl natal the apartment
attending our school. She's got to play sore later like
the level of just appreciation from Ivy League Glory just
warmed my heart because now we have the Wakanda outreach,
(37:14):
like an actual Wakandan. Like after Black Panther succeeded, they
started building actual scientific communities in the neighborhood where the
movie took place. And now we've got m I t
being like, by the way, we know we got really Williams,
Like what a great time to be a kid reading
comics or an adult to go like, look, we worked,
we did it. I mean, yeah, there's a lot going
on in the comics right now, I believe, like the
(37:36):
X Men or once again trying to create another Genova,
and we have uh these they're trying to outlaw teams
from being a superheroes. They think they're irresponsible, but you
know it was depite of all that. What do you
think the features for Ironman, especially since Tony Starkay, So,
(37:57):
what did you saying about Hireman right now? Is he'saling
with the ramifications of being an AI and then there's
a lot of interesting commentary where robots are treated like
people and they're treated like less than people simultaneously. So
it's about human rights, but they're doing it through the
very suddenly availed like robot. Right, So it's marvel like
having this great commentary of like what it means to
(38:18):
be a person, but they're doing it through robots, which
is a really cool angle of like what it means
to exist, what it means to be an entity. So
right now there's a really really interesting run. I believe
it's who's writing a Dan Slot, Dan Flots writing um
iron Man right now and dealing with the concept of existence.
And then Arno Stark, which is iron Man's big brother,
(38:40):
Tony Stark's big brother, Arno Keen's iron Man. So there's
this completely separate arc of Arno Stark as iron Man,
and he's a little rougher on the edges. He's a
little bit more of an industrialist that wants to take
over things. So right now, iron Man in the book
isn't even Tony Stark, it's Arno Stark, and it's a
totally different flavor. It's very like do remember the twenty
note in one Comics were like Miguelo Herald was Sputterman
(39:02):
and that was different like Ultimate Universe stuff Arnold so
much like that. It's like a little as you're like,
what is the future, but we also live in the
year twenties. Just just feel controgristed a book. Well, I
was gonna say. We actually opened up our Twitter asking
people about their favorite Iron Man UH experiences. By the way,
if you don't follow nerd Deficent on Twitter, UH, we
(39:22):
every week we're going to be asking you know, a
different question pertaining to the episode. So it's a great
way to get a shout out. Make sure that you
follow us on there. But this one is from Child's
Xavier laster Kay, who said, my dad, who's had a
comic budget of five hundred dollars a month since the eighties,
I have a question about that. Us in the eighties
(39:52):
was a lot of money. It's still a lot of
money now. But what does your dad do? Um hadn't
gone to a movie theater in almost twenty years. Iron
Man is released. At the same time, a brand new
movie theater opened up, and we went as a family
of six. I mean, really, what does your dad do?
This is the dad from home alone, like, how do
(40:12):
you have six kids and a five hundred dollar comic
book budget? Um? Then we went again the next day
after school, then five times more again, sir, what does
your dad he's actually Charles? Like that is legit that
he runs a school for wear reviews. I'm dressed. Wow.
The only other comic book moment that ever compared was
(40:35):
when I took him to see Logan as being a
short Harry Canadian himself. That was his favorite character. He
snuck in my name being Charles Xavier by tricking my mom.
His name is amazing. I love your entire brand, by
the way, I thought, that's so funny. That's like our
(41:01):
friend Laura, whose son is Picard. I think he has
a couple of names, like all he has like three
names and they're all nerves based. Okay, this one's from
Chris Bib He said the great moment in Matt Fraction
Talky when where Tony tried to get his friend Hokeye
to stop living like a slob. Do you remember this point?
(41:22):
I don't actually which which moment is? He said, living
like a slab. He's looking at like his Christmas tree
and like he just has a bunch of boxes and
his apartment. He looks like he might have punched a
hole in the wall, which is Pete Hawkeye vibe. Um. Yeah.
I also before we before we leave the last one,
(41:43):
I would still main saying we're talking about the movies
where I'm an iron Man, I would main same. That's
even after twelve years and twenty three movies, iron Man
one is still in my top five. Like, I agree
with this guy going to the movie theater iron Man one.
It's it's even after all the movies have had sense,
there's something still special about that first iron Man. I
totally agree. That's the uh. It's such a genre redefining
movie and it still holds up, Like if you watch
(42:04):
iron Man today, it's still an incredible time. Yeah. So
the Nixtlan Daves Murreros says really loves hole an Infinity
one movie. Iron Man and Doctor Strange. We're picking on
each other to prove it the science, engineering or the
mystical had the edge at the battle front. Facial hair brows.
There's a running there's a running joke in uh in
the comic books. So that's who they both have ridiculous
(42:25):
facial hair. Tony starts always wants to refer to them
as facial hair brows, and he's always trying to high five,
and Tony starts about it and Strange hates it. So
Stephen Strange and there's like this weird romance that I
love because I'm the bromance genre is my ship. Like
Buddy Cops is the best genre in the world. So
in the uh dock, Strange and Iron Man are like
Buddy Cops that can't stand each other. So I love that.
(42:47):
F into one end game that kind of reflected that,
like I was waiting for them l facial hair brows.
It never happened, but maybe there's the lead a team
who knows what will happen. But if somehow Tony back game, No,
they gotta do it. I know they filmed uh idear,
(43:07):
they filmed the Iron Strange Right here, there's a moment
they actually filmed where they have Stephen Strange wearing the
Iron Man suits, like out there somewhere as the deleted
dreams we been at a coverbatch in the Iron suit
while they're fighting. He was heavily in far from home,
so he was present, he was he was there, His
essence was there. Okay, It's like I'm Uncle Ben in
(43:29):
the m C you like they just full on paid
Tony started Uncle Ben there even like talking about power
and responsibility. He was mourning his loss like they definitely
made sure Tony Stark was in that Spider Man movie.
Thank you for joining us under these circumstances. We hope
that you are you know, social distancing there with your cat,
which I could see profit into you said slightly. Yeah,
(43:53):
my cat's name is spidy Cat. For all your listeners,
I have maintained I started social distancing on third day.
This is this is fully a weekend. I'm going mad,
but I'm so glad we can still talk about comics,
even from across town, like twenty has allowed us after
an hour and a half of fighting to manage a podcast.
We payed for an hour before they started, and this
(44:14):
is the best sound that we could do. So I
just want y'all to know that I'm sure coit. Where
can everyone find you? I can find me on Twitter
and Instagram and now YouTube at ki Gendre. That's c
O y j A N d r e a U.
I used to host this show called Collatter Hero's. If
we ever get out of quarantine, I will host the
(44:35):
show called Comic Book Shopping, but that means I have
to be around people because I bring people to comic
book stores. And I hope both of those things exist
in the next two months, and there's people and comic
book stores. But on YouTube, I'm basically doing what I
used to do on on Collatter Heros and giving commentary
on every single comics from the big studios, every single luke,
all of the news, all of the madness, all while
(44:55):
trying to learn YouTube because I'm not used to. I
don't know O b S existed until like five weeks ago,
so I'm learning along with them. D well, I I
wanna this is the question and maybe a plain tip
that you can give to all listeners, which is how
are you getting your comics during this quarantine? So right
now house the Singerts was still doing curbside pickups, so
(45:16):
I don't have to interact with the humans. So I
have a polist which I set up ahead of time,
and I have all my comics picked out for me,
and then they let me pick them up outside and
I pay in advance or I like there's a tab,
so it's literally like it feels like I guess sketchy like, hey,
Mr with liquor store. I'm like, hey, let's just get
those comics and I traft my books. But you can
(45:36):
also Comicsology is a great app for digital comics. I
have to read a lot of my comics digitally because
they add up, like three comics in a long box
adds up quick. So digital comics is great, and comics
Oology has this barrowing system with a lot of older runs.
So I'm rereading Why the Last Man right now completely
for free because you can borrow the first two volumes
for free, and it's like going to the library. So
(45:57):
it's a new little library and we're living in a US,
so it's a great time to read Why the Last
Day About it A poxist read Thomas, you guys got
three time, pick it up, do it. I'm at miss
Jenny Fernando is on the thing. Thank you, Thanks everybody
for putting up with you know, for for being generous
about everything going on right now is all of our
(46:18):
podcasts here trying to figure out what we're doing. But
next week we'll be equally as great. We really appreciate
Coy for coming on and doing Thank you so much,
and yes, truly thanks for it for something by dropping
my biology yet again. And you know it's me. Uh
if you want away on Twitter and Instagram, if he's
(46:38):
on Twitch. Yeah, Luckily super Punch is a Twitch the
late night show, so we can rest saying going just
from my home, so keep tune in at the eleven
PCM Eastern time eight pm specific time Monday through past.
All right, and likely always say you know, miles away
from each other. Okay, say there is interting
Hey all, this is Danny. I just wanted to give
you a heads up on today's episode. So we're still
trying to record remotely with our guests, which is proving
to be a bit more of a challenge than we
thought it would be. Just you know, it was just
difficult to have to sink up the audio would be
like someone could hear, then someone couldn't hear, and then
we moved from different you know, zoom to Google hangouts
(00:21):
to this to that, and then finally we just decided
to do it on our phone. It just was not
sinking up. We're still trying to get access to our
equipment so um and also stay safe. We're trying to
take care of ourselves and our families and we have
a lot of priorities right now, but still trying to
check in every week and do this. So this episode
might sound like you're talking to your friends on the
(00:42):
phone and listening to a conversation with your friends back home,
because that is exactly what it is. We had to
call each other on the phone. Very old school, uh,
super charming though. Coy Jondro, who's on it, is amazing
as always in drops a lot of knowledge about Iron
Man but I just wanted to give you a heads up.
We're very aware we troubleshooted a lot this weekend and
(01:03):
moving forward, hopefully we can figure it out this week.
But anyways, enjoy this episode on Iron Man, Stay safe. Hello,
and welcome to another edition of Nerd Assistant. I'm one
(01:24):
half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and sitting on a
different in a different area of Los Angeles than me is. Yeah,
we're not sitting across from each other, I r L.
But digitally, i'd say, I imagine myself staring you right
down the barrel the two eyeball aeren no. But yeah,
(01:46):
we're back. We're back together again. You through this pen,
damn man, and you know we're still We're still gonna
keep it popping because you know what, we still got
to give the people what you want. We uh bear
with us while our audio this week, we got to
(02:07):
figure out this recording situation. UM, it's kind of hard
to more hard, harder than you would think, UM trying
to get like four people online at various locations. But
joining us this week, we have a good friend of
ours who was on for multiple episodes, and that is Coyndro.
(02:29):
Thank you for joining us so excited? Uh, can we
speak to the irony of us doing a self quarantine
episode while we talked about a superhero that protects himself
from iron suice, Like, there's sort here the story of
us feeling isolated while also talking from across the cities. Yeah, no,
that's the thing we were, you know, keeping it real.
You know, this is what people need to hear. You know,
(02:51):
so people might because honestly, you know the origin it
wasn't like a self quarantine, but you know, only was
trapped and uh and what did you do with that
traffed energy? He made a suit? So maybe this would
inspire us with listeners to make a make a COVID
suit and and then um, you know fight. I don't know. Well,
(03:15):
let's just get right into it. Folk. There's really a
short ish episode, which is fine until we figure out
this situation, our recording situations. Um coit. Can you start
the people off by just letting them know the origins
of Tony start like when he first appear. So one
(03:38):
of my favorite things about Tony Stark is family longer
event a superhero that was kind of unlikable. They set
out to make a character that he thought no one
would appreciate, so intentionally kind of stand office someone that
would be appreciated by the masses. And to me, that's
SUPs the marvel is there's this constant, undergone mentality even
with his own fans, like the underdog, amongst even likability.
(04:02):
So he came around of the late sixties. Um he
showed up first, and I think like the nineteen sixty
three fifty four, and then he had his own comic
by the late fifties. So it took four or five
years from had his own run and he took off
in Tales of Suspense, and that's where you get like
the iron Man one origin raising that very bulky suit,
the full block, the I Am iron Man grew and
(04:24):
then by the time he started in his own title
that was the more Red and Yellow Suit. It evolved
really quickly. But he was meant to be modeled after
Howard Hughes, who if you guys don't know Howard Hughes,
Howard Hughes was a prolific inventor, but a bit of
a dick uh and a bit of a rec loose
and kind of a crazy person. Uh. If you've seen
that the Aviator Leonardo DiCaprio played Howard's Hughes, and you
(04:47):
may remember that he ended up living in a in
a small area of peeing in jars and going insane,
and I feel like that kind of reflects the Tony
Start's mentality, like Demon in a Bottle, Demon in the Bottle,
one of the most iconic runs of Iron Man and
Demon in the Bottle. For Howard, he was really peaking
and bottled. There's a lot of beautiful cemetery with the
real life, and then Disney when they took over, kind
of made his dad, Howard Starks. No coincidence, Howard Howard
(05:09):
uh an amalgamation of Howard Hughes and Walt Disney. So
it's really cool how life kind of reflected, Arn't this
his character that we now have Disney owning the character
and mirroring it after their own creator while also mirroring
their original creator. And iron Man himself is very much
Robert Downey Jr. Who has managed to play with a
likable character so likably. So the story of Iron Man
(05:31):
from the sixties on is this amazing life imitating art
imitating life situation and now he's got one of the
most icon of characters that were and he was a
C lister up until the movies. So it's cool that
he's so popular. Now, yeah, I was gonna say so.
These were some of Lee as Stanley Scots in nineteen three.
He had been twined with the idea of a businessman superhero.
(05:51):
He wanted to create the quote quintessential capitalist. Uh this
is a quote from him. I think I gave myself
a dare. It was the height of the Cold War.
The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing
they hated, it was war. It was the military. So
I got a hero who represented that to the hundred degree.
He was a weapons manufacturer. He was providing weapons for
(06:12):
the army. He was rich, he was an industrialist. I
thought it would be fun to take the kind of
character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like,
and shove him down their throats and make them like him.
And he became very popular. That's so fascinating that he
wanted to do something that he knew, like you said,
would make a character incredibly unlikable, including having Guy Fiery's
(06:34):
facial hair. Uh. Yeah. I always thought the facial hair
was a visual cue because when you see it, dude,
It's how of what's the nineties go to today? Like
if you see a dude like with a Nickel Bax
shirt and I kind of go to You're like, well, man,
and I'm not gonna talk to that guy. And I
feel like the Tony starkspacial hair is very much a
visual like, well that's not for me. So even down
to a spacial player, they've always given him this like
(06:56):
hyper aggressive, hyper masculine, hyper down your throat for sona
and then people have often compared him to you know,
billionaire philanthropist. Uh, two different versions of characters. There's some
Batman parallel, but to me, what's interesting is that Tony
Stark is just as hard on the outside as the
iron Man suit, whereas Bruce Wayne, the persona of Bruce Wayne,
(07:18):
is the fake persona, like Bruce Wayne is the character.
Batman is the reality, whereas iron Man definitely feels like
what Tony Stark idealizes himself has. So I feel like
Tony Stark and the Iron Man is much more of
the same thing. Where does Bruce Wayne and the Batman
are two very different things. I feel like Bruce Wayne
Batman are there's a dichopany there that doesn't exist with
(07:38):
Iron Man and Tony Stark. I think the brusque outside
Hardshell maintains itself when you meet Tony Stark. Very few
people I feel like, actually know who Tony Stark is,
which is a really different character choice. Well, I feel
like Tony Stark is very messy, like publicly messy, like
even though he they're both you know, billionaires, I feel
(07:58):
Tony embraces that and Bruce is more about appearances and
so I don't think he allows himself. He's so put together.
I mean, it's funny that Christian Bale played him because
he also was an American psycho, and that's what I
think of. It is just this like slick back hair,
super well put together. You never see him off his
game when he's Bruce Wayne, whereas Tony, like publicly I think,
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is okay with being a jokester and a prankster and
like he's just to me, he was just like a
like a messier younger brother of Bruce or some things
if they're both billionaires, like one like a black sheet
and one's the leader of the family. And the fact
that Johnny Jr. Improvised the iron iron Man line. It's
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so embodies the character, the fact that the more of
the universe forever changed because iron Man revealed himself in
the first movie that the interne you picked off of
iron Man and it ended with something, I am iron Man.
That's such a Tony Stark move. What's that's such a arrogance.
This is how it's gonna be on the side of
this precedent. So I love the that we live. We
live in a time where iron Man is so self
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actualized because I'd argue that iron Man knows himself more
in the movies than he did in the comics until
the movies existed. I think we know who iron Man
is in a comic more now because of the movies
that you well, I think to casting somebody that had
a addiction issue that could speak to that probably bought it.
Brought a lot of heart in the character. Yeah, I
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think someone that identifies with being rich and uncertain what
to do with that power is exactly why the characters
so real. The iron Man three, which is I think
still slept on, dealing with PTSD and dealing with trauma
and like all the mental aspects of that movie, I
think it's incredible that that's a superhero film, but it
really takes that side of things seriously and that that's
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the strength of the character of Iron Man is he's
unlikable and yet he's got all that heart that's buried
under an iron suit. That was kind of what was
so kind of poetic about iron Man and the le
of iron Man is that, you know, iron Man becomes
this comeback character who liked defeats his like alcoholism and
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kind of moves forward and has new life. And that's
kind of what that was for Like Robert Downey Jr.
In his real life, you know, he was just coming
off This was kind of his like the Iron Man
was was kind of his comeback movies after kind of
being not necessarily but kind of blacklisted within Hollywood because
he just had this, you know, addiction problem. And then
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he kind of this new clean life that he kind
of gets to portray in this movie. And I think
it really did turn his whole career. Yeah, I was
gonna say. Writer Gary Conway said, Um, this was of
the comics. Here you have this character who on the
outside is invulnerable, i mean just can't be touched, but
inside is a wounded figure stand made it very much
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and in your face was you know, his heart was broken,
you know, literally broken. But there's a metaphor going on there,
and that's I think what may that character interesting? Now?
Jerry Conway should be noted the last time I was
underr shirt, we talked Punisher. That is the man who
made Punisher. That is the man who kills Gwynn Stacy.
That is the man who knows all about pain and
heart and suffering to call some of the most suffering
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and all the comics books. Uh so, I I love
that his pick on Iron Man is like, I killed
Gwynn Stacy, but man, that Iron Man knows pain and suffering.
So yeah, then Iron Man is uh is It's cool
that he's kind of a pseudo leader of the Avengers
because you've got Captain America, who's the opposite. He's kind
of like hard on his sleeve and Iron Man is
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like mess on his sleeve, but he's kind of hides
his heart. A lot of people like the Wasp, and
a few people know like what what gets the Iron
Man and how he kicks, But he's got so many
like iron walls up in h in the comics and
the movie. Yes, so another thing I wanted to talk about.
I know we compared him to Bruce Wayne, who's a
ladies man. Uh, but iron Man is also a ladies man.
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In fact, uh Stan Leaf said, of all the comic
books we published at Marvel, we got more fan mail
for iron Man from women than any other title. We
didn't get much fan mail from girls, but whenever we did,
the letter was usually addressed to iron Man. I find
that fascinating because I don't know who they think they're writing. Uh.
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Maybe they think that he's a real person over at Marvel,
um Mr Stark. But that's adorable that women were writing.
I guess that they just wanted more of him, or
there's that Hue Hester persona, Like, there's that element and
he really doing the Hue Hester tabio and iron Man
like that. It's it's definitely a bit of the braggadocious
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nature of Tony Stark. So I can definitely see that
being appealing to a certain demographic. Uh. So it's really
funny that there's it's it's it's interesting how people want
fictionalized characters so like represent a piece of them, And
I feel like that's completely happens with Tony Stark. So
you you throwed up Demon in the Bottle, and I
think we should probably like explain that a little more
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for uh, for the listeners, because Demon in the Bottle
was nine issues story arts from the Invisible Iron Man
that was published issues one twenty three, nineteen seventy nine.
Was that all about? So imagine like fresh off the
Comics Code Authority, they're worried about printing anything that portrays
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too much violence or drugs us or any of these things.
And then you've got one of your your characters at
your place wielding the marble banner being an alcoholic on
the cover. It's one of the most it's one of
the most coffeed covers. It's one of the most you know,
imitated storylines. But a guy with all of that power
drunk in his suit. It's a commentary on duise. It's
a commentator like commentary and power responsibility like people behind
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the wheel of a car is one thing that is
horrible and reflective of the time. And then imagine someone
with the button like on the nuke, Like, if you
can wield an iron suits, you're exceed the terrifying commentary
on power, uh, and and saying you will about this country,
but we definitely wield powered in very interesting ways. So
I liked him in the seventies and weird going through
some more commentary, they really looked at an industrialist who
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made weapons not being able to handle his addiction. So
demon of the model was him looking at himself and
realizing he had a problem, realizing that he was an addict,
realizing that he couldn't handle his own like he didn't
like himself enough to handle himself well. And this country
has always had a weird thing with alcohol, like we
look at up until recently, we'd was something you go
to prison for life, spore like we we'd has always
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been this thing. But since prohibition we have alcohol is
like this totally acceptable vice and drug. So I am
Man was like, nah, right, you could die, like this
is an aggressively bad time. So it really its shepherded that,
And I think that's really cool that comics looked at
alcohol in a way that movies glorify alcohol, books glorify alcohol.
Comics were like, no, no, this is just as dangerous,
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if not more than a lot of things. You can
walk to the understore and get behind the wheel of
the car or an iron suit. Yeah, I I just
wanted to scrib have to cover from those who haven't
seen it and looking at it. I definitely saw this before,
so so just so people who may not exsud it.
And you can google this. If you look up iron Man,
even in the bottle, first, it will give you the
trade that doesn't have the cover, and it's like, what
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are you doing the whole But then if you look
at it just to show you, but it's it's the
Iron Man cover. He's uh, he's he's sitting in a suit,
but under the suit is the Iron Man suit. The
Iron Man helmet is Everything about this cover is pretty righty.
The helmet is looking at him. It's it's in the
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it's from the mirror, shows a bottle of whiskey. What
it's kind of poured over, looks like he drinks them
and he's sweating staring at his reflection in the mirror
of like who he is. It's it's there's so many
little like details just in this cover that are just
great and tell me story. We talked about a spacially literally.
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Another cool thing about this cover is he's not clost
to like his his suit dracket, his torn he's got
like you know, uh, not even five o'clock shadow like
ten o'clock shadow, and like you, he's a he's a
broken ln And they reflected that film and Iron Man
too with that party scene. Also in Infinity War, um,
when he's talking to the helmet, and in an endgame
at the beginning when he's talking to helmet, there's a
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lot of that. Yeah, the Hamlet metaphor, like the hamlet
metaphors in this company. That's so great. You're exactly right.
I just watched endgame again and while we're stuck in here,
and uh, that's exactly what I thought of. There's also, um,
I'll have to send this to all over our Google
hang out, but there's somebody recreated the cover with a
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Lego so it's like a Lego. Angry Tony starts looking
at his little Lego helmet and then there's little Lego
wine bottles knocked over. That's amazing. But there's also a
Deadpool moboration of that. I was gonna say, there's also
milestone uh figure where it's an action figure of just
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that scene. It's completely sold out though, good look, I'm
desperately seeing if there's any pricing on it. It was
originally one highly doubt you're gonna find it for that much. Yeah,
that Deadpool and the Jerry Duggan run. Not in Confused
Jerry Conway. There's a cover with Deadpool and it's it's
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the same cover. It's Tony Start looking in the mirror,
but a Deadpool looking back at him, drinking a like
a like a shake and it's like the Curly Gold.
But also the during the time, like seventy nine was
was at the model and this was when all the
spy stuff was really big and popular. So there's also
like the Tony Star James Vond commentary, there's a lot
of the spionage flavor and all those things. So to
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have the character of that hyper masculine and at the time,
like you know, we have a country don't talk about
like men's emotions nearly enough in general, but especially not
these hyper masculine characters. So to have someone like Tony
Starts to have an alcohol problemly like having James Vond
be like, I don't bring mar teens anymore. It was
a really big thing to have that kind of character.
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Do you like John Hamm having alcohol problem? Bad man?
It was a really different time, so it kind of
changed the whole tone of comics in the eighties. Yeah,
this country is intense. Yeah, it's really great. Uh And
you know obvious for all your collectoring out there, and
I'm going for too much. He's not going to break
because all things considered, iron Man, even with all the popularity,
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since he's had so many runs of comics, he gets
canceled a lot because he wants this popular as popular
until the movies and stuff, you can get a decent
runt of Iron Man. Comics were not too bad. Like
as far as the cost of collecting goes, he's not
your Spider Man, he's might your recommend Yeah, they're demon
in the bottle showing point five quality. Uh. And in
the case, right now, get out of internet. We have
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to take a really quick break. We're gonna hop into
more iron Man right after that and we are back.
We're still here with Coy. Uh So, Coy, you were
going to talk to us about the his different suits.
I'm looking actually at a poster of all his man'
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that's pretty legit. Um, he's a he's a toymaker's dream
before there were toys, like we're not there. Before there
were toys, but before they made a hundred different toys
now at a different times. But if you look at
the suit, it's really fun because you've got all the
different coloring, you've all got all the different shapes and designs.
It's kind of like the fun of getting to draw
a car or a vehicle, but on a man. So
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he's a fun thing for an artist to design. And
then there's the military and medieval aspect. There's the um
you know, aerodynamic aspect. You look at the Ultimate Iron
Man suit, it looks completely different than the regular Iron
Man suit. You look at kind of the spinoff characters
like war Machine, and you can it becomes more kank like.
So the design of the character is a lot of
fun because depending on what you need the power set
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to do, you can make the suit that You've got
your underwater suits, you've got your space suits, you've got extremists,
You've got all these things. And it's really fun because
the writer in the artists get to really redesign and
shape the character. And as long as it looks enough
like Iron Man's Iron there one of these are not
gonna lie. Looks kind of like Captain I mean Captain Plane.
That does not surprise me. I like the Iron Patriots,
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sup because he kind of took over the stars and
stripes flavor of Captain America as like this kind of
tongue in cheek case and uh, that also became a
tricky suit because it was a villain suit. Norman Osborne
actually get ahold of it when he was leading the
funder Bolts, so that suits became an icon of good
and then immediately evil. And that's you know say about Marvel.
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But they're never not political. This was during a very
certain time in our country and it wasn't interesting runs. No, Yeah,
we talked about this when we've talked about some about there.
I think we talked about this on your episode that
Marvel and DC have covered every single war since there
in steps in and so I think it's really funny
that whenever people are like keep politics out of it,
and it's just like since you've ever been involved in comics,
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they have been political. He's been political. Comics weren is
not invented for that only, but like part of their
invention was to be political commentary like comic books are.
That's why there's political comics. That's why in the newspaper
you have a commentary on thing so it's also the
voice of society. You've got literature meeting art, which are
too very politically charged things. So it's really funny when
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any piece of pop cultures like keep closics out of it.
It's like, not pop culture reflects the times and at
the times you're dire, that's gonna be the thing. And
if you've got a war profiteering character Tony Starting, the
character that made billions of war and then was destroyed
by those devices and then fought wars like that sounds
a little politically, y'all. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say
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the need for superheroes and itself is innately political because
like we have we have governmental you know, we have
our own military and officers and things like that. And
then to say, oh, but we still need people fighting crime.
It's kind of a political commentary in my mind, um
about inadequacies and injustices. But um, I wanted to talk
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to you quite too about submit to your favorite Iron
Man storylines. So the politics actually ties nicely into that
because you've got like Colonel Rhodes, whose war machine is
obviously that's that's very that's American militaries that ties into
that world and that leads beautifully in the Civil War.
The Civil War is you know about the Registration Act,
and if we're talking about, you know, government control, there's
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not much more controlling than revealing your identity or not
or you know, in the times we live in now,
big brother, and how much access the government has for
our privacy and ships. And obviously Civil War was a
commentary on that is privacy in your own individual rights
as as a citizen. So iron Man saying basically, I
want this to be publicly known and Captain America going
against it. That's a giant piece of pit commentary. I
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think Civil War is an absolutely brilliant run that got
in America killed. In the comics, one of my favorite
single issues of Iron Man is called The Confession, And
if Brian Michael Bendis wrote it, if I remember correctly,
and uh, it's after Cap dies and it's Tony at
his bedside basically apologizing for being wrong. So it's Tony
Stark and talking to CAP's dead body like I'm so
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sorry I got you killed at un sucked up. So
that's kind of the strength of iron Man is he
doesn't he thinks he's right up until he's wrong. I
killed me the first to apologize after he's proven completely wrong,
but he'll be the last one that stays wrong because
that's the character and and that's that's demon in the bottle.
That's that's extremist. He's also one of my other favorite artists,
the Infamous iron Man, and he kind of goes power
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crazy and he puts devices in the entire country and
he helps people that can't walk, he helps the disabled,
he helps people with you know, um, the curance for
all these diseases, but then he starts charging for them,
and basically it starts profiteering off of the entire country's health.
So it's kind of the giant supervillain Tony Stark arc.
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So Infamous iron Man is oh sorry, Superior iron Man,
my bad. Superior iron Man is him becoming a almost
dictator like Dr Doom and profiteering off of everyone's health,
but also thinking like wait, wait, I helped everyone, why
why shouldn't I make money? So Superior iron Man is
check out like it's it's a crazy And that's also
I mean, that's about political. It gets while we're dealing
with a fucking COVID crisis. Um, but it's gonna be
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really interesting to see how you reflect these times in
comic books, because iron Man is gonna be reflecting the
President in about six months, and Superior iron Man would
totally be about you know, government testing for coronavirus parts rise. Uh.
So there's been a lot of arcs that are dealing
with profiteering. Um I really like extremists because it's him
um his power sat basically he can bring the suit
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to him at all time, so it's dealing with nanotech.
Currently in the comics, he's downloaded his psyche, he died,
and he's an AI entity. Iron Man right now is
just an AI construct. Tony starts dead, so it's him
dealing with the concept of what reality is. Is my
memories and my existence real? Is my body real? What
does it mean to be real? Am I just a program?
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So very like existential insanity? Well, I was gonna say,
because he was talking about how Cap died. But Tony's uh,
what are the instances of him like sacrificing himself in
the comics. Well, but there's arm Awards, which is another
one of his best arts, where he basically has to
take out all of his suits and then they reflect
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that iron Man three, and it was kind of like
the death of Iron Man, not Tony Stark, so sacrificing
all of this technology, all of that for the greater good. Um,
he sacrifices himself. And the ultimates run quite a bit.
The ultimates. He's very much the the modern billionaire craziness. UM.
So he's definitely sacrificed his company many time. Uh starts
tach has been owned by lost a lot of people. Um,
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but Tony Stark himself only, which is funny to say
because comics has only died like four or five times.
I want to talk about the movies because it's so
interesting how big are Man now when back when? And
I believe we talked about this before in the podcast,
where like when the Iron Man the movie was made,
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it was just made because they're like, well, this is
a this is a no lift factor, this is a
character that no one's attached to. This is just iron Man.
It's not a Spider Man, it's not a you know,
exist So we can just make this movie and try
to see and then it just blows up and and
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for our our dj okay rather down a jaire being
like the biggest part of it. I think a lot
of people don't know. One didn't even want a Rotter
Downey Jr. Uh ad the uh at the beginning because
of the bad publicity and the rest that he had
his drug. Yeah. They wanted Tom Kaiz, yeah, which such
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a different one. I think that like I could see
Tom Cruise as a Tony starts. Like, you fix some
of the archetypes, you fix some of the storylines, you
fix some of the stuff. But if you think about
Tom Cruise movies, they're very much Tom Cruise, and it's
kind of like, uh, kind of like how the X Men,
in my opinion, got messed up in the movies because
they were Wolverine and the X Men. It was it
was Brian Singer's new There was never an X Men show.
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So I don't if if we got Tony Stark as
Tom Cruise, it would have been that it would have
been Tom Cruise as Tony Starks, but we wouldn't have
gotten me into you in the way it is today.
Wouldn't have been the Avengers, it wouldn't have been these
giant team ups because I feel like it wouldn't have
been like Mission Impossible. Tried to bring in Jeremy Renner
as like the second guy, and then it's back to
doing Tom Cruise age fifty something, doing all the insanity
still because Tom Cruise, like this is my franchise. You know,
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it's so funny. Is Um Crisis on Infinite Earth? You
know they had like all these alternate the CW had
all these alternate Superman then Batman, And it would be
really funny if Marvel did that but had Tom Cruise
as like the alternate Tony Stark. If they ever like
a full on live action Spider Verse type thing where
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there's alternate reality and Tom Cruise cameos for five minutes,
like if it's like old man Stark, like Downey Junior
doesn't want to come back. There's like a Kang storyline.
Can you imagine Kang bringing in like seven year old
Tom Cruise in ten years, fifteen years. I was gonna
say John Krasinski audition like what five times they're sent
like to be cap Um, So that could also be
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John could also be the alternate universe cap in spite
of like just everybody that auditions for it that almost
got it, that like is really close looking but not
quite totally embodies the character. Just like have them be
the alternate universe ones that would be so funny, you know,
like Josh Hutchers Center, Dylan O'Brien a spider Man, like
meeting Tom holand not to mention the be so dope
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Timothy Shallow may imagine. I still think you made a
great moments bore Man can imagine like Timmy Shalomy as
like the best friend but like super handsome and evil. Yeah,
that would. I was gonna say one thing about the
movie that I remember is it kind of just set
the bar and changed the game for all of the
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superhero movies after that. It was like nothing was quite
like it. Uh it still it had a ton of
comedy in it, and I just remember the soundtrack to
like a CBC and all of that. Like it just
really I think changed the game for superhero movies. Like
that was that was the next phase of superhero movies. Well,
two thousand Night had both The Dark Knight and Iron
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Man in one year, so the Dosan Night was about
to change the decade, and it changed the entire genre
because no one loved or hate You can't argue that
two thousand times We're a superhero decade. That's what movies changed.
The industry. That's all that, and it kicked all the
iron Man a dark Knight, and iron Man was like
gifing the thing such a such a not gamble, gamble.
It was a gamble financially because they were giving it
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to John Fabre who at the time that made swingers
and smaller films. Robert Downey Junior, who had just finished
you know, his his comeback with Kiss, Kiss Bang Bang,
which is still the most left on movie of our time.
Uh Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is, I would say, the
most underappreciated film all of the mountains. Uh So he
had one movie like just coming back, So that's a
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hard sell to anybody. And then it's the thing that
launches the biggest industry of all times. So iron Man
for me, is probably the biggest underdog story in cinema,
like because you know, Lord of the Ring is gonna
make a million dollars. You know, Spider Man's gonna make
all this money. Iron Man is an unknown studio being
released by Paramounts. It wasn't even released by Marvel Studios
because they didn't have distribution. Like it was only twelve
(30:39):
years ago that Marvel Studios couldn't release a movie. Paramount
had to be like, all right, fine, we'll call the theaters.
We know ere's your ship, and now it's it's Marvel,
like it's crazy. So that was a huge list, and
uh I remember the writing production was they were making
upsides as they went along, which became a problem with
Iron Man too. Is like the script was being written
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John Fabro and Downey Junior as they went along. So luckily,
you know, Jeff Bridges was super amiable to improve the
Downey Junior obviously is a genius of improv. But it's
insane that the movie that changed the entire decade of
the twenties ten wasn't finished being written when they were
filming it. Wild. It also was a time before I
was like, oh my god, shows before Star Wars was
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was Disney Disney and Marvel is was Disney totally spent
back that time, and they only had Iron Man because
they couldn't sell them in the in the late night
early thousand. Marvel was so broke they were selling off
their characters so universal, not whole, because everyone knows whole.
Spider Man went to Sony, X Men went to Fox.
They couldn't unload Iron Man if they wanted to, so
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that they're like, we should make our own movies. We've
got this Iron Man of the God of Thunder, and
like I mentioned today, well, it's really funny to me
because their choice of picking these characters that are C
list characters kind of fit with like this outcast. Like
when I think of Chris Pratt, he always played like
this goofy kind of not he wouldn't he wasn't considered
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like an A list the hunky actor. He wasn't the
Brad Pitt or whatever. And so to me, it's really
fascinating that they were able to make gold with having
outcast actors playing outcast characters. And even broader than that,
we talked about like Marvel using the Underdog comics book
studio with their characters being underdogs. You've got Spider Man,
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anyone to sere wear the mask, You've got all of
these things. And then the studio that couldn't get their
own distribution becomes the biggest studio in the world. That's like,
that's like Rudy, but the studio that's like a sports movie,
that's remember that's tightened. Yeah, we have to take another
really quick break and then we're gonna hop back into
Iron Man and talks about the future of iron Man
right after this, and we're back walking back to their
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different I am across from me Digital League, Deny Fernandez Here,
we're doing it. We're trying to do it. Um, which
still we still have our friend Poy hearing m coy. Um,
let's talk about re re when really took over the mantle? Um?
(33:16):
What what happened with that storyline? So, really Williams is
another Brian Michael Bendas creation. He's come up a couple
of times. He also invented mild Morales. He's also written
a lot of the best quickly iron Man. That's like
his voice really suited Tony Stark and that snarks uh
if you actually a lot of people know iron Man
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from the movies. The moment where iron Man puts on
the Infinity Gauntlet is a Jono Ter JR. Brian Michael
Bendis cover. That's there's a cover of iron Man wielding
the Infinity Gauntlet. So Brian Michael Bendis the writer knows
iron Man very well, and really Williams was one of
his creations. She's fairly new, she's only five years old
something like that, around five years old. Um, And she
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is a young scion prodigy. She's from Chicago. She lost
one of her very good friends at a young age.
She's got the marvel traditional like her parents are are
tricky than our understander, and I lost someone very important
to me in this case. What I liked about her
is she didn't lose her parents. She had a single
mom raised her and she lost her best friend. So
losing a friend in the streets from Chicago, Like, that's
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a really traumatic experience and it was nice to not
have the traditional life Uncle Ben or Batman parents Like
it was a friend. So she kind of represents the
modern day, like the kid on the streets, Like people
lose people, their peers, and that's just as traumatic as
your parents. So she's the street kid from Chicago. And
she gets accepted to m I T at like sixteen,
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So I have a soft spot Perrina released from a
Boston kid to the fact that she's like an m
I T kid at sixteen is like hell yeah, uh.
And she invents her own suit. She goes to m
I T by day, Fight Fight Villany by night. Uh.
She's like a snarky little girl from the Chicago streets.
Um and she starts up a kind of a stink
with all these other girls that are that are hyper
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intelligent science girls. Uh. And it's a it's a book
led by um Lost and it's it's girl like. It's
an acronym for girls as pretty. The accronym is because
there's so much comics, but it's it's like a think
tanks for intelligence, scientifically based women. And I think that's
just so rad for girls to have science as the
basis of a book. For a kid to read a
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book and you're like superheroes, just super smart, like re
rely superpower is she did the ship and she's smart,
and that's uh. I think that's the best thing we
can teach kids, especially if they're from rougher neighborhoods, especially
if they're trying to see what right and wrong is.
Like the moral compass that Rearri Williams gives kids from
the streets, especially people that have lost people to gun
violence and to growing up and not the knights of neighborhood.
(35:46):
Leary Williams is literally the definition of Rag's riches and
she's using it to help people. And she's not rich,
she's just got a hypeman suit. I was gonna see
so she also popped up um in Marvel Rising Hard
and Iron Right. She's voiced by Sophia Wiley. Sorry, go ahead, Yeah,
she's she's got a cartoon. She also she's in The Champions,
(36:07):
so she's got like a spin off book. So she's
caught like. The Champions are like a very uh politically
charged of Avengers. The Champions go after, you know, the
smaller things where they can help people on the street,
and the book is very uh self aware and that
it's trying to get messengers across. So she's a character
that's really like, hey, this is messed up. These are
the people we need to be helping. So the Champions
and her cartoon are both very politically charged out to
(36:30):
what it's likes to roll up in these less than
apple wood areas and how we can all be helping. Well,
you'll have this point because n I T. Actually in
two seventeen, their admissions department released a short live action
video of re Re walking around campus, attending class, and
building an iron Heart suit in her dormitory. We live
(36:51):
in a time where am I T made a re
Re Williams video? Can we just take a moment to
appreciate that's what it's like in the nineties if Harvard
was like, yeah, we've got this girl natal the apartment
attending our school. She's got to play sore later like
the level of just appreciation from Ivy League Glory just
warmed my heart because now we have the Wakanda outreach,
(37:14):
like an actual Wakandan. Like after Black Panther succeeded, they
started building actual scientific communities in the neighborhood where the
movie took place. And now we've got m I t
being like, by the way, we know we got really Williams,
Like what a great time to be a kid reading
comics or an adult to go like, look, we worked,
we did it. I mean, yeah, there's a lot going
on in the comics right now, I believe, like the
(37:36):
X Men or once again trying to create another Genova,
and we have uh these they're trying to outlaw teams
from being a superheroes. They think they're irresponsible, but you
know it was depite of all that. What do you
think the features for Ironman, especially since Tony Starkay, So,
(37:57):
what did you saying about Hireman right now? Is he'saling
with the ramifications of being an AI and then there's
a lot of interesting commentary where robots are treated like
people and they're treated like less than people simultaneously. So
it's about human rights, but they're doing it through the
very suddenly availed like robot. Right, So it's marvel like
having this great commentary of like what it means to
(38:18):
be a person, but they're doing it through robots, which
is a really cool angle of like what it means
to exist, what it means to be an entity. So
right now there's a really really interesting run. I believe
it's who's writing a Dan Slot, Dan Flots writing um
iron Man right now and dealing with the concept of existence.
And then Arno Stark, which is iron Man's big brother,
(38:40):
Tony Stark's big brother, Arno Keen's iron Man. So there's
this completely separate arc of Arno Stark as iron Man,
and he's a little rougher on the edges. He's a
little bit more of an industrialist that wants to take
over things. So right now, iron Man in the book
isn't even Tony Stark, it's Arno Stark, and it's a
totally different flavor. It's very like do remember the twenty
note in one Comics were like Miguelo Herald was Sputterman
(39:02):
and that was different like Ultimate Universe stuff Arnold so
much like that. It's like a little as you're like,
what is the future, but we also live in the
year twenties. Just just feel controgristed a book. Well, I
was gonna say. We actually opened up our Twitter asking
people about their favorite Iron Man UH experiences. By the way,
if you don't follow nerd Deficent on Twitter, UH, we
(39:22):
every week we're going to be asking you know, a
different question pertaining to the episode. So it's a great
way to get a shout out. Make sure that you
follow us on there. But this one is from Child's
Xavier laster Kay, who said, my dad, who's had a
comic budget of five hundred dollars a month since the eighties,
I have a question about that. Us in the eighties
(39:52):
was a lot of money. It's still a lot of
money now. But what does your dad do? Um hadn't
gone to a movie theater in almost twenty years. Iron
Man is released. At the same time, a brand new
movie theater opened up, and we went as a family
of six. I mean, really, what does your dad do?
This is the dad from home alone, like, how do
(40:12):
you have six kids and a five hundred dollar comic
book budget? Um? Then we went again the next day
after school, then five times more again, sir, what does
your dad he's actually Charles? Like that is legit that
he runs a school for wear reviews. I'm dressed. Wow.
The only other comic book moment that ever compared was
(40:35):
when I took him to see Logan as being a
short Harry Canadian himself. That was his favorite character. He
snuck in my name being Charles Xavier by tricking my mom.
His name is amazing. I love your entire brand, by
the way, I thought, that's so funny. That's like our
(41:01):
friend Laura, whose son is Picard. I think he has
a couple of names, like all he has like three
names and they're all nerves based. Okay, this one's from
Chris Bib He said the great moment in Matt Fraction
Talky when where Tony tried to get his friend Hokeye
to stop living like a slob. Do you remember this point?
(41:22):
I don't actually which which moment is? He said, living
like a slab. He's looking at like his Christmas tree
and like he just has a bunch of boxes and
his apartment. He looks like he might have punched a
hole in the wall, which is Pete Hawkeye vibe. Um. Yeah.
I also before we before we leave the last one,
(41:43):
I would still main saying we're talking about the movies
where I'm an iron Man, I would main same. That's
even after twelve years and twenty three movies, iron Man
one is still in my top five. Like, I agree
with this guy going to the movie theater iron Man one.
It's it's even after all the movies have had sense,
there's something still special about that first iron Man. I
totally agree. That's the uh. It's such a genre redefining
movie and it still holds up, Like if you watch
(42:04):
iron Man today, it's still an incredible time. Yeah. So
the Nixtlan Daves Murreros says really loves hole an Infinity
one movie. Iron Man and Doctor Strange. We're picking on
each other to prove it the science, engineering or the
mystical had the edge at the battle front. Facial hair brows.
There's a running there's a running joke in uh in
the comic books. So that's who they both have ridiculous
(42:25):
facial hair. Tony starts always wants to refer to them
as facial hair brows, and he's always trying to high five,
and Tony starts about it and Strange hates it. So
Stephen Strange and there's like this weird romance that I
love because I'm the bromance genre is my ship. Like
Buddy Cops is the best genre in the world. So
in the uh dock, Strange and Iron Man are like
Buddy Cops that can't stand each other. So I love that.
(42:47):
F into one end game that kind of reflected that,
like I was waiting for them l facial hair brows.
It never happened, but maybe there's the lead a team
who knows what will happen. But if somehow Tony back game, No,
they gotta do it. I know they filmed uh idear,
(43:07):
they filmed the Iron Strange Right here, there's a moment
they actually filmed where they have Stephen Strange wearing the
Iron Man suits, like out there somewhere as the deleted
dreams we been at a coverbatch in the Iron suit
while they're fighting. He was heavily in far from home,
so he was present, he was he was there, His
essence was there. Okay, It's like I'm Uncle Ben in
(43:29):
the m C you like they just full on paid
Tony started Uncle Ben there even like talking about power
and responsibility. He was mourning his loss like they definitely
made sure Tony Stark was in that Spider Man movie.
Thank you for joining us under these circumstances. We hope
that you are you know, social distancing there with your cat,
which I could see profit into you said slightly. Yeah,
(43:53):
my cat's name is spidy Cat. For all your listeners,
I have maintained I started social distancing on third day.
This is this is fully a weekend. I'm going mad,
but I'm so glad we can still talk about comics,
even from across town, like twenty has allowed us after
an hour and a half of fighting to manage a podcast.
We payed for an hour before they started, and this
(44:14):
is the best sound that we could do. So I
just want y'all to know that I'm sure coit. Where
can everyone find you? I can find me on Twitter
and Instagram and now YouTube at ki Gendre. That's c
O y j A N d r e a U.
I used to host this show called Collatter Hero's. If
we ever get out of quarantine, I will host the
(44:35):
show called Comic Book Shopping, but that means I have
to be around people because I bring people to comic
book stores. And I hope both of those things exist
in the next two months, and there's people and comic
book stores. But on YouTube, I'm basically doing what I
used to do on on Collatter Heros and giving commentary
on every single comics from the big studios, every single luke,
all of the news, all of the madness, all while
(44:55):
trying to learn YouTube because I'm not used to. I
don't know O b S existed until like five weeks ago,
so I'm learning along with them. D well, I I
wanna this is the question and maybe a plain tip
that you can give to all listeners, which is how
are you getting your comics during this quarantine? So right
now house the Singerts was still doing curbside pickups, so
(45:16):
I don't have to interact with the humans. So I
have a polist which I set up ahead of time,
and I have all my comics picked out for me,
and then they let me pick them up outside and
I pay in advance or I like there's a tab,
so it's literally like it feels like I guess sketchy like, hey,
Mr with liquor store. I'm like, hey, let's just get
those comics and I traft my books. But you can
(45:36):
also Comicsology is a great app for digital comics. I
have to read a lot of my comics digitally because
they add up, like three comics in a long box
adds up quick. So digital comics is great, and comics
Oology has this barrowing system with a lot of older runs.
So I'm rereading Why the Last Man right now completely
for free because you can borrow the first two volumes
for free, and it's like going to the library. So
(45:57):
it's a new little library and we're living in a US,
so it's a great time to read Why the Last
Day About it A poxist read Thomas, you guys got
three time, pick it up, do it. I'm at miss
Jenny Fernando is on the thing. Thank you, Thanks everybody
for putting up with you know, for for being generous
about everything going on right now is all of our
(46:18):
podcasts here trying to figure out what we're doing. But
next week we'll be equally as great. We really appreciate
Coy for coming on and doing Thank you so much,
and yes, truly thanks for it for something by dropping
my biology yet again. And you know it's me. Uh
if you want away on Twitter and Instagram, if he's
(46:38):
on Twitch. Yeah, Luckily super Punch is a Twitch the
late night show, so we can rest saying going just
from my home, so keep tune in at the eleven
PCM Eastern time eight pm specific time Monday through past.
All right, and likely always say you know, miles away
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