Episode 20: Transformers

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, what's up? If the Nation in fernis welcome to
another episode of NERD. If he said, we are here
and today we're talking about I kind of teased it
out last week and there are a lot of people
hyped for Transformers, and this was one of the fun
ones where we why we scraped it up just a
little bt s. We had like a gap between when

(00:30):
our research for the next episodes are up, and I
was like, let me try and tackle you know, transformers.
I can research that, and man, there's a lot of transformers.
There's so much Transformers. But we'll get into that. I'm
if you wa waite and sitting across from me is
Danny Fernandez. Yeah. I like that. You added if your
nation and Ferns. Fernie was something that I jokingly started
to do. If you don't follow me on Instagram, follow

(00:53):
me on Instagram because I make the dumbest videos called
Rumor Control, which if He has been in and several
other people have been in, where I just I refer
to everyone as fernees and then tackle a really dumb
rumor but it's stuck, it's stuck behind it. If he
Transformers is something that I kind of didn't really grow

(01:15):
up with as much and actually really enjoyed the film
with Shila b Well, it's what's crazy. I really liked
I was in high school and it was it was
like such a big deal in high school, like everyone
I think it came out in the summertime, and I right, yeah,
and so I just remember in Megan Fox and it
was like ha in these cars and like, yeah, well

(01:36):
it was a banger because it came out my third
which is Weekend, and no people liked it. I was
the only one who didn't like it. And we will
be able to chronicle, like it's crazy because doing the
research for this, I chronologically see why I hated it
so much and we'll get into that. And everything made sense.
Everything I found out made everything makes so much sense
to me because it just truly just my wee heart

(01:59):
was always there. But it's funny because we touched on
Transformers a little bit on our g R G I
Joe episode, and well, it's cool about it is the
reason because we always know that Hasbro and G I
Joe they've kind of been hand in hand because they
were under the same brand. But what's crazy is it's
because they kind of have always been together because in

(02:22):
nineteen seventy four, the Takara Company Limited launched the Microman
in Japan and this was the mold that Hasbro license
to make g I. Joe's. There are these very articulate
kind of humanoid figures, and eventually they did a spin
off called diet Clone, which were like Microman, but they

(02:42):
turned into everyday objects. Oh these are so cool. I
was gonna say, I'm looking it up right now, so
like to give people a visual. They do kind of
look like more slender Transformers um with like these chrome
alien looking heads. As far as Microman, yeah, and actually
the people who signed the Dia Clone went on to
be the designers from across the anime that had the

(03:06):
mix that turned into fighter jets and was super cool.
And but yeah, it's it's crazy because it goes hand
in hand. And I want to I'm gonna touch on
this because a good friend of ours row Com touched
on He was like, oh man, I want to be
in the Transformers episode. But we mentioned molds, and molds
are very very important. I've gotten more into toys, so
my just to say, wait, I thought you called them

(03:28):
action figures, Well yeah, they are action figures. But these
I'm talking about toys, Vinyl toys and they and there's
a whole huge community about it. And you know how
they'll sell the blanks of the toys. Some you have
to be in to paint them. Like no regular Joe
off the street can really paint the toys and sell

(03:49):
them because then you'll then the creator of the blank
will be like, whoa, you're painting over Like I made
it blank on purpose. And this is all stuff that
we're going to get into Vinyl way and all that.
That's when we're bringing you on Rocom, you and Kuang,
because that's what they do. Rocom just launched a toy
which he just premiered, the one that I got, the
one off because I support the Kickstar, support your friends Kickstars.

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But back to the Diacloge. Hasbro bought the molds from
Takara and then from there they were able to create
g I Joe. And with the hit, they went and
grab the diaclones to make the Transformers. And what was
cool was just like g I Joe, they wanted to
hire people to make the background stories of these toys.

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And in around that time, Jim Shooter, who was Marvel's
ninth editor in chief, and that's a whole lot of
drama which I was reading then I was like, oh
my gosh, we're gonna have to do an episode on this.
He was a controversial editor in chief because he was
such a hard ass. That's all. That's the only way
I know how to say it. He was a hard
ass and he had like very strict rules, and creators

(04:57):
felt like he was he was kind of ramp in
their style. But he wasn't around when they was okay,
because remember our Image Comics episode when all those artists
pieced out. Was he after that? He was gone by then,
but I'm sure so she probably contributed to that feeling
there because he after that went on to make Valiant
Comics and then uh And so it was between Jim

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Shooter and Dennis O'Neill who wrote Spider Man and Doctor Strange,
and they're hired by Hasbro to create like the backstories
for all the Transformers. As a matter of fact, Dennis
O'Neill is the one who made the name Optimus Prime.
That was him, but the rest were by Bob Boudinski,
who came on board and basically created most of the
Transformers characters and went on to write the comics for Marvel,

(05:42):
which was crazy because the first run of Transformers uh
comics were Marvel Cannon like they went to the strange lands.
Nick Fury got involved. That was wild. Does that mean
that they could show up again? I hope? So you know,
now that everything's all coming together, we got like our
X Men, Fox and Disney merged like you know, transformed
Transformers in there the Shark when it's like um because

(06:11):
you know, like I always say that poster, that Marvel
poster could not get more packed. They didn't even have
my man Hawkeye on there because they were like, it's
which is too much? We can only have the top ted. Yeah,
no it was. It was great and it was wild,
and I love that. That is a piece that technically
the Transformers are Marvel Cannons. Wait before we move on those,
So did the Transformers you're saying, we're essentially just like

(06:33):
G I J and teenage Mutant NA Turtles. They brought
these guys on so that they could create stories, so
they would sell the toys. Yeah, exactly, just to drive
home which you saying, Yes, this is another thing that
people love that was only created to sell toys, which
but it's cool. What's cool about Transformers is as it grows,
there is a nice cannon that builds around it. But

(06:55):
in the end, I think that is important to understand
that these things that people have ownership and attack other
people are are these stories that were created. I mean
it's turned in our exactly, So put put your laser
gats down and stop attacking people. Just trying to make

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this thing that was once created just to sell toys
good for another generation. I feel like this is something
we're gonna touch on a lot, because every day it
feels like there's another story that's about that. But we're
gonna jump to the TV series because the TV series
is also cool. Everything is so cool. We'll get to this.
But I came in during Beast Wars and I was
a huge Transformers boy. You'll and we'll get to this.

(07:38):
And that's why I didn't like the first movie. This
reignite this. Doing the research for this reignited my all
spark and I am now about Transformers again. I am
so back on board. And that's why I like this podcast.
Is the fun thing about revisiting the things that we
used to really be into a maybe not so much

(08:00):
in finding new things like I've been. I've still been
watching all of Twilight Zone from the first. Yeah, it's
been fun just dumping into all these different fun things. Okay,
I'm gonna go and watch Trent because I think the
nice thing about you and I is we complement each other.
So like whereas Twilight Zone, I'm like, this is my
bread and butter. I could talk about this all day

(08:21):
and then you like went and started watching it, and
so now this is your bread and butter. Like you
know way more about Transformers than I do, and now
I can go home and start watching it. Yeah, you
can skip this, you can. You can really jump all
the way to the I d w com What about
you don't want me to watch wars Wars. You can
get in there, but watch like one or two episodes.
I'm sure it doesn't hold up, is okay? Okay, okay.

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So in September sevente the first episode of Transformers the
TV series air and it's produced by Sunbo and Marvel Productions.
I wanted to take a second to look at the
three top credited writers on IMDb because and by top credit,
they just have the most episodes under the belt, because
it's funny when we visit these properties, like when we

(09:05):
did the Nickelodeon and we found that Neil Brennan was
all that. These guys ended up doing a lot of
things we does. So David Wise, who wrote fifteen episodes, Uh,
he went on to write for Batman, the animated series,
Wildcats and the Mighty Ducks animated series, which was so dope.
I feel like it didn't get its Just do they
gave out the pucks at McDonald's. I wanted. Here's the thing,

(09:27):
my parents never let me get into roller hockey because
you know, uh, there's no roller hockey leagues Incompton. Who cares.
We should have found it. We should have drove to
the Orange County to get Who wouldn't know. I could
have been the new Wayne Gretzky or or whoever that
translates the same but hockey, but you know, kind of uh.

(09:49):
And then the next up is Donald F. Glutt, who
he wrote twelve episodes, and he went on to write
Duck Tails and X Men, and then Booth, who was
the third but in my heart, he knocked it out
the park. He went on. Doug Booth went on to
write Mighty Max which oh man, I got another angry
at my parents store for that. So when I went

(10:10):
to remember Mighty Max, you might I'll Mighty Max was
the boy branded toy for Polly Pockets, so little girls
and the little boys got Mighty Max. And so I
had a Mighty Max. Uh. And I brought it to
my dad at Toys and resumes, like, okay, we will
get this for you, and he uh and he we

(10:33):
went to the the cash register. He got all the
things he got and then I went through the bag
because I was excited to play with and I couldn't
find it. And we're walking down. I was like, Dad, Daddy,
she forgot. She forgot to put in the Mighty Max.
He was like, oh, it's okay, and it's like so
he did the Yeah, he did the old parents switchero
where he took it to the register and this is
why I have trust issues. But yeah, so Mighty Max

(10:56):
and then my faith. I think I might have touched
on this on t m NT. But street Sharks baby,
he wrote on street Sharks don't at me? Do you
feel like sharks is why you are into such like
the weightlifting buff? Oh yeah, life, Oh I definitely buff
like everything. It's funny because I find like Street Sharks,

(11:20):
rocket Power and all this stuff is made for California
little boys, which I was so I was all about like,
oh they roller blade, don't skateboard. Oh they like burger. Meanwhile, me,
I'm very like sexually confused because it's like, why does
the Shark have pets? Like the sharks should not have
a twelve pack. Danny is very confused. Big shout out

(11:42):
to Street Sharks because they did have representation because they
brought in the black character and he was an orca,
which is the blackest fish. As a matter of fact,
they named a movie black Fish about orcas, and I
was like, I get it, and I'm here for it.
Have you ever seen Street Shark, cause play like I
need to see that. I'm gonna it. Oh my gosh,
if you find it, keep it away from let's do it.

(12:03):
I want to do. Oh there is Okay, I'm gonna
tweet out this photo once this episode drops. But then
he also did the Spider Man animated series, which was
Oh no, I'm sorry, look at this. That's comfortable. It
is way too sexy. Okay, it should be. It is
a very sexy ass Shark and oh his navel too. Okay,

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let's move on. And then he also did the nine G. I.
Joe reboot. But basically, in the TV series, the auto
Bots are looking for new energy sources and they end
up crash landing as the Decepticons attacked. And then uh, basically,
Marvel interpreted the Autobots as destroying a rogue asteroid approaching
Cybertron and shock Wave loyal to the Megatron and the

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TV series and keeping Cybertron in a stalemate during his absence,
but in the comic books, he attempts to take command
of the Decepticons. The TV series would also differ widely. Basically, yeah,
the TV series was a hit, I mean came out.
It dropped in September four, and then by August two
years later, in Transforms, the movie hits theater and it's

(13:10):
written by Ron Friedman, directed by Nielsen Shin. And yeah,
this one was wild because we talked about this in G. I. Joe.
Because this is the reason that they don't kill Duke,
because Optimist Primes gets bodied in this within like the
first act. It's not like at the end he's like, oh,
it's cool they body him. In the movie just moves
on without him. But wait, didn't it not do so well?

(13:33):
Because wasn't that and didn't we say that like that
affected GI their g I Joe property in the movie? Yeah,
I believe so yeah, let me, I'll get the exam.
Dan our producer is saying, yes, yeah, he had to
listen to our episode multiple times, and editors all our
episodes multiple time. Can I just say before we move
on that I created a chronic illness group. I don't

(13:54):
know if everyone knows about me, but I have an
autoimmune disorder, and so we did a walk to raise
money and we called ourselves the Autoimmune Bots. Oh my gosh,
that is hilariouson I love it, Little known Fernie back. Yeah,
and just to confirm what you said earlier, you're right.
The budget was six million and it made five point
eight million. It didn't even make its money back. So yeah,

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it was a huge flop. It made kids very sad,
and uh, I think that's why it pieced out for
a bit. But the soundtrack was banging. Okay, we got
my man uh stand Bush coming with You got the touch,
you got the power. Once you hear it, you'll never
stop hearing it. And Also they threw weird al Yankovitz

(14:39):
dare to be Stupid on it, which which I'm like,
all right, I'm down for any soundtrack. So at least
we got that. But this period that we're talking about
right now has been coined by fans and creators alike
as Generation one of the Transformers and Generation two begins
from til about and it started off the the toys

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during generation to start off as pretty much a reissue
of the Generation one toys but just with new color schemes.
But then September happens and Beast Wars premiers. Now little
known fact this is the Transformers. I knew this was
my first experience with Transformers were the beast Wars, so

(15:22):
so I actually started with Beast Wars and had to
like learn about the Transformers later and figure out what
they had to do. But the series featured uh, they
didn't have Auto Autobots and Decepticons. They had the Maximals
and Predacons. Yeah, descendants of the Autobots and Decepticons. And
this is this is where the funniness of a story

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created to sell toys versus like you know, comic book
creators and future creators making legitimate stories and having to
retcon because it was apparently it was set in the
future of the original Transformers continuity, but then eventually it
was revered yield that they had traveled back in time
before the series began and we're actually on prehistoric Earth

(16:05):
and that's why they turned in the dinosaurs. I feel
like that does make sense because the same way Transformers
came to Earth and picked cars to turn into, the
Beast Wars did the same with animals, and they were
all prehistoric. So for it to be set in the
future would have been weird, or it could have been
that what was it the time Traveler when the future

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goes so far in the future and then it turns
prehistoric again. That has stuck with me for my whole life.
So do you remember what you watched it on? Like?
That was Fox? Fox Kids? Yeah, and Fox Kids kind
of had the lock on the Transformers brand for a
bit because in September eight of two thousand one, the
Transformers Robots and Disguise launches, which was basically a Transformers anime.

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So this after Beast Wars, Transformers has been anime and
I think that has been slept on fact by mostly
me because from so This was a series that was
produced in Japan and came out and was dubbed out here.
It started in two thousand one and it ran for
thirty nine episodes on Fox Kids and outside of the Page.

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Because all during this time, you know, the Transformers comics
was kind of just stagnant. After kind of living with Marvel.
In December two thousand one, dream Wave Productions ended up
acquiring the Transformers licensing and then they created their own universe,
adapting and borrowed a lot of things and also added
some stuff, like they had like a whole bit of
all Transformers not believing in the existence of Primus, which

(17:37):
was actually on a Transformers Generation one number five original
sin which was released in May two thousand four. And uh,
the corruption in Cybertronian government that was first led by
Megatron to begin the roar was dropped in Transformers Generation
one number ten, two thousand four. Uh, the Root of
All Evil. So if you didn't think this podcast was

(17:59):
nearly enough, now we're quoting actual. This is so weird
to me because, like I said, I remember it vaguely,
but I didn't really grow up with it too much.
And I'm while you were talking, I was looking up,
like what else was on Fox Kids at that time?
And it was all things that I watched. It was
Batman animated series, Bobby's World, which I was addicted to
in the Cat, goose Bumps, which I read and watched

(18:22):
um and owned some of the VHS tapes Mighty morphin
Power Rangers, the tick like where where on Earth is
Carmen San Diego? Um? And uh I didn't know that
was different than where um? Anyways, uh so I am
I'm confused of during that hour that it that it aired.
My parents like turned off the TV. They're like, go outside,

(18:44):
go outside. Well, it also had that like weird CG animation.
You probably were like the animated beast Wars was the
was CG animated? And I looked at some episodes recently
and it that CJ doesn't Oh I see what you mean?
Oh yeah no, I definitely turned this out. It looked okay, yeah,

(19:08):
definitely this And I did watch reboot. I loved Reboots,
but see what you mean? Okay, the animation, wow do
people really enjoy? Yeah? Also, I remember I had the
Beast Wars toys that would combine into one big Transformers
and I remember how just kind of like gross in

(19:30):
macab it would look because it was like this machine
animal like meshed together to make this mega machine animal.
And I think he had like a rhino. It was okay. Actually,
now that I'm looking at some of the characters, I remember, yeah, this,
but it was like a flash in the pan. Really,
but this was the start of, like I feel like,

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the basis of, for lack of a better way of
describing it, and in risk of infuriating some of the
O G fans, the good A Transformer arcs because dream
Waves started off and then we had a new show.
But we'll talk about all that after the break and

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welcome back everyone, all right, just up top. So Danny
had something important to run off and do, so I
went to the Dan archives and got another Dan, Dan Goodman,
who you may not have heard yet. I mean, I
think you might have said a thing or two my

(20:39):
voice and you try to keep it very very edited out,
you know. But he is the editor and producer of
They're Difficent, and he's popping in for a bit. If
it was a pleasure to be here, Thank you for
having me, Thank you for doing it. You know, uh,
you know, it's it's good to have someone who can
step up when I am late yet again pushing into

(21:00):
people's other schedules, and uh, hey it is It is
no problem at all. I happened to love Transformers, so
it's always happy to be in the rule. Yeah. Yeah,
you are already, you know, piping in with a few
hot takes. Yeah. Uh, do you want to give people
a quick rundown of who you are and what you
do outside of what I just said? Sure? Hello, everybody.
My name is Dan Dan Goodman. I'm the producer and

(21:21):
editor of Nerdificence. I also edited a lot of the
shows on the How Stuff Works Network, so you probably
heard my handywork on some of the other shows. I'm
a longtime nerd. My specialties are definitely in the video
game department. Um. You may call me Mr Steel your aerial.
If you catch me on the Rocket League fields, I
will take you down. Um. But than other that, I
am proud to be part of the network, proud to

(21:41):
be part of the show, and happy to add my
own voice on nerdy stuff whenever it is needed. Oh nice, Well,
we when we left off, we just touched on the
Robots and Disguise franchise, which was the anime bad classic. Yeah,
that was in two thousand one, and dream Way pick
it up in two thousand one as well. You know,

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real quick, embarrassing story. Just the phrase the first time
I heard and this is this is this attributes to
my classic mishearing of lyrics throughout my entire life. But
when I heard robots in disguise for the first time,
I thought they were I thought it was robots in
the skies, like flying robots. I was like, yeah, some
of them are playing with robots and disguise. You know
what I mean, robots in disguise. That's pretty word word.

(22:23):
I want to see that transform in disguise. Do you
remember do you remember that game Crossfire? Oh? Yeah, this
cross Fire. Yeah. Then the song goes You'll get caught
up in the Crossfire. Yeah. I thought it was you'll
get caught up in love because you love the game
so much, you get caught up in love Crossfire anyway,

(22:43):
miss hearing lyrics my specialty. Yeah, that's that's fun when
you find out that you've been hearing it wrong. Oh yeah,
it's a class fun embarrassing, it's a it's a good
healthy helping of the two. Yes. Oh man, so you
got the dream Wave up in Canada, their Canadian com publisher,
making these dope Transformers comics. But then in August two

(23:06):
Transformers are Mata heirs on Cartoon Networks to Nami. It
was developed in Japan, but it launched in US first.
So here's the crazy thing. And once again, because I
remember watching our Mata and thinking that, oh, it does
feel like an anime. But when I was watching it
at the time, you know, we this is the time too,

(23:27):
when you know anime has officially blown up in the
US and there is you know a lot of American
cartoons are taking that style, and so like this was
an anime but I didn't even realize it because it
was dubbed. But I mean, the style was there. But
it goes back to that, you know argument we keep
talking about, like what makes quote unquote anime a quote

(23:50):
unquote anime because for all intensive purposes, this what we
traditionally assumes an anime is what it is produced for,
you know, to produce using a shared property that exists
in America. I feel like I'm gonna go back and
watch it and feel like an idiot. I feel like
it's going to be very obvious that it's anime, but

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it actually aired in the US before Japan, and that
was led to a lot of goofiness because they rushed
the production schedule because they had to dub it because
they wanted it to air in the US. So this,
oh yeah, mad silly dubs. You had sure Shock repeatedly
being called Grinder, hot Shot being called hot Rod, Optimist,

(24:37):
Mini con Partners, spark Plug being called Leader one. That
just feels like the dubbing agent just forgot to do
that one part. He was looking at his whole list
and he's like, all right, got hot hot Shot whatever,
close enough, and then we'll stick with Leader one. But yeah,
that's exactly what it seems like. I'm like, yeah, Leader one,

(24:58):
Leader to But yeah. So but the about this series
in itself, it actually started a new continuity, so we're
no longer talking about Crowbots and Disguise and Robots and
Disguise wasn't talking about the Generation one at all, So
we we created this new continuity. But it doesn't stop

(25:19):
at this series. The series is actually finally one that
gets a sequel. In the series, the war rages on
between Auto Bots in Deocepticons, as in with all Transformer stories,
as you do, yeah, and they're seeking power over a
race of smaller power enhancing transformers called mini Cons, seeking
to flee the conflict that surrounds them. The mini Cons

(25:40):
escapes Iybertron with the aid of autobots, but an attack
by the Decepticons crippled the ship as it flees through
a space bridge. The ship materializes in the Solar System
and impacts with the Moon on Earth, breaking it into
or breaking into. One portion of the ship stays embedded
on the Moon, while the other plummets to the planet
below and the Mini Cons all locked in the pentagonal

(26:02):
stasis panels are scattered across the globe. This seems like
a very common plot device at this time of like
the thing we need to get has been scattered everywhere
and we have to find That was the Jackie Chan Adventures.
That was what else, you know, Yeah, we have to go.

(26:26):
It's it's like the what ended up being the blueprint
of design of MMO Quest. You have to go go
talk to Mr mckinfley, and then after that you're gonna
talk to you. So that is basically the story of
this show. We have these Mini Cons and that goes
until about January two thousand four, when our modest sequel,

(26:48):
Transformers Inner John premiers. In the series, the Transformers primary
gimmicks are autoboxibility to combine with partners of the same size,
accept constability to use powered up form ms, and the
addition of Inner John weapons and the stars that can
be placed in any Transformers and Mini Cons from the
previous line are still present, but all many con pegs

(27:10):
are dead and they do not activate a function on
the toy, uh so making those toys obsolete. So we're
getting timed obsolescence even in toys. At this point, he
thought it was only Apple, but no, no, Transformers has
been doing it for years. Yeah. So then ten years
after the war for Mini Cons and the apparent destruction
of Unicron and the mysterious Alpha Que which stands for Quintessen,

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operating out of the husk of the planet Eater's body,
releases energy eating terra Cons to attack the autobot Cybertron
cities in the Solar System and gathering Inner John for
Alpha Qu's plan, and it just goes on and on
and on like that. I like it. I think that
that you know, what Transformers did so well was really

(27:56):
try and build out each one of their universe is
to not simply say, yep, there's robots here, let's do it.
It's really let's give let's give this a full story,
even if it changes, even if it adjusts. It's deep
and I know it's kind of based on the idea
of how many more toys make, but doing so creates
so much more depth and potential for lore and fan

(28:17):
fiction and stuff like that. I think it's ultimately a
positive move. Oh yeah, no, it was super great. And
what was cool and when we will eventually get to
the Michael Bay movies is I actually really enjoyed the
design of the transformers during Like they were so cool.
They're like chunky strong. They were basically dope Mex transforming Mex.

(28:39):
And I was all in on it. I wasn't following
it religiously. This is two thousand for them in high school.
Um deep into room escape at this point. Uh you know,
farming finessing, Yeah, exactly, Yeah. I finessed the members past
for my dad. Somehow I convinced him I'd still to
this day, I don't know how I convinced him to

(29:00):
give me five dollars a month for this member's Uh
so I wasn't really following it, but I did keep
up with art around it. At this time, I also
was a part of a art forum called poly Carbon BBS.
So it was started by this guy called Pat Shuttlesworth,
who at the time was this artist who you know,

(29:21):
worked in the worked in He was a professional artist,
but he created all these tutorials online and now he's
actually an art director and a concept artist for the
game industry, and he's actually worked for some pretty dope
games at this point. Yeah. I checked in on him
a few days ago and he he was let's see,

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he did the nine seven three to Blade Runner VR experience.
He was working on he was working on a Quantum break.
That was the thing I saw, Quantum Break. So yeah,
he's he's definitely still thriving. But what was dope is
he made all these to corials on the site Polycarbon
that kind of showed you how to draw, and then

(30:03):
on the boards you can kind of communicate with other
artists and allowed them to kind of critique your work
so you can get better. It was really cool. One
it's it was a system that is now obsolete because
of sites like you know, d a tumbler and so
on and so forth. But at the time it was

(30:24):
revolutionary and they had these things, and that's this is
why I totally signed up. They had fight clubs, and
what they would do is you and a whole bunch
of artists would team up, create a premise of your
story and create characters, and you would draw comics of
them fighting, and you would make these comments. And this
was when I was really into artist, just trying to

(30:44):
be an artist, and I was scanning these pieces up
and it really did make me a better artist as
I was making art for this thing, because you're practicing
and someone might say this one and you were basically
just r ping and drawing at the same time. It
was that that sounds amazing. It's you know, I still
go to the dead forms every now and then to

(31:05):
see if anyone's still kicking around, and every now and
then there's still that one, like anyone's still here that
uh yeah, I still feel about the new Grounds bulletin
board system. I used to troll those way too much. Man,
back when the old flash animation days. I'd be like,
how is this one? Oh that's terrible, Thank you, I

(31:25):
appreciate you looking at it. Yeah, I had a short
stint in new Grounds when I got uh, what was it? Yeah,
but I think it was just called flash animator or
something like that. It was. I have no idea. I
can't remember, but we spent a lot of time looking
for we both cannot remember. If you remember two thousand

(31:47):
Escar Early esque Flashmaker programs, please tweet the man that's
the one I was using. I remember, I trash. I
made a trailer for this flash animated fight Club sequel
I was gonna make, and it was very bad, I think,
like literally, like I tried to. I tried to like

(32:10):
work around the fact that I was bad at doing
the art for it, and like there was like it
was a black screen, then a small red dot and
then smoke comes up, and then like it was the
text of like uh and and something that he would
say like something like that, and then it was like
this whole like blocky like people fighting, And I remember

(32:33):
the only comment and I wish I could go back
and find it because you'll see, you'll see why I
want to go back and shove it in this person's face.
It wasn't going anywhere. No, they were like if you
read the book, you would understand that there can't be
a sequel to Fight Club. There's nowhere to be a sequel.

(32:54):
If you know anything. There is a sequel to Fight
Club that Chuck Plane you wrote himself. Yeah, and it was,
but they made it a graphic novel and I love that,
and I want to be like I want to be like,
remember me from almost a decade ago. You gotta pull
that back up, dig in, take that screenshot and just

(33:14):
find him, go to his house and stick. I know that.
That's the thing is all my like old school accounts
are gone, like my zanga like they Yeah, I don't
need to see my old space. I don't want to
get James gunned down. I don't want to see what
my old Top eight was. Yeah. Oh man, I remember

(33:35):
I put Tila Tequila in on Top eight. It would
make her put her there, you go, yeah, no, definitely
didn't hindsight. Yeah. So after Inner John premieres, uh, there
is a sequel. But before the sequel, in January two five,
dream Wave Production went bankrupt. But then in May of

(33:58):
that same year, I DW picks up the license of
Transformers and continues to drop dope comics until this day.
That's that's what I was telling Danny to jump to
if you want to get into Transformers, if you love
Transformers and you're like, it might not hold up, or
I mean, you can always go back and watch Transformers
the movie. That's just one of those nostalgia things that
if you don't have a good crested in the time,

(34:20):
you'll love it. Um maybe not so much to anyone else,
but the I. D W comics are so solid and
they're still going on. As a matter of fact, they
plan on relaunching next year, so you can kind of
get this first run. It's it's exciting. I also like
to think that, you know, comic books in general have
such a better shelf life than TV. Sometimes animation can
really look stilted and old, and but you know, comics

(34:44):
still have this preservation of the time. It's almost kind
of like I make this comparison with hip hop and
electronic music. Old electronic music sounds bad, but classic hip
hop is always going to be classic hip hop because
you connect with it in a different way. Mind, You
have a time more than you're just being like, oh yeah,
this is means those two and I was a kid
or something like that. Like, comic books are a very

(35:05):
similar way. Each time you go back to them, you
have that recurring feeling like I remember exactly where I
was when I read this for the first time, And
so it doesn't have as much of that technological barrier
as going back and watching an old cartoon does in
my personal opinion. Yeah, no, I think that's super right on.
So then while this is all happening, I d w
S building the brand. It's apt or nineteen two thousand five,

(35:28):
Transformers Inner John launches. Now this is also still part
of the same kind of universe, except in Japan. In
Japan it's aired as a separate rebooted Transformers series, but
in North America, the English deb was presented as a
sequel to the previous two series, Transformers Armana and Inner John,
and scenes were added that linked elements of the Armada

(35:49):
and Inner John stories to the show and using additional
dialogue and reused animation to link the series together. And
this is very important because this was is for all
intents and purposes, my Transformers. Even though I wasn't super
keeping up with the show like it was on because
it was popping on like to Nami and stuff like

(36:09):
I would, I would check it out but it wasn't
something I was religiously keeping up with. But I was like, yeah,
this is the Transformers, this is this is good. I
like it. It's great, super good. And and then in
July three of two thousand seven, Michael Bay premiered the
Transformers movie. But we'll get into that after this prank,

(36:39):
and we're back to talk about Transformers, but more specifically
the Michael Bay Transformers. Now, I will say a k
a lens flare of the movie. I will say there
are people who thoroughly enjoy this. Danny herself said she
enjoyed this. I don't knock anyone who enjoyed this, but
I'm so glad it shook out the way it did.

(37:00):
One I found out the reason I loved the Armada trilogy,
all of those was because it was anime. I was
a weep. I loved it. I love the design of it.
Now this is what we're coming off of. So I
hear there's a Transformers movie being made. That's what I
had in my head. I was super duper excited. It
had always been an animated series, so it kind of

(37:21):
builds the expectation when I saw this realistic version of
Transformers that Michael Bay was trying to present. I was
not having it. Also, this is two thousand seven. If
this is a nineteen year old, we be freshman in college,
freshman and community college, super opinionated, super nerdy, deep in

(37:48):
your thoughts, deep in my thoughts, child of the Internet,
point still on four chance, oh heavy sifting through b
all the racism for the memes. Memes weren't even mainstream yet.
It started off as making fun of myself to sounding

(38:09):
like a super weird hipster Internet. Hey, we're all going
to look back on these times. We're gonna be like,
what was it like? Let me tell you what? Boy Um.
But yeah, so I took it as a personal slight
like every in every way that those like Star Wars

(38:32):
fan boys have been taking offense to to the new
Star Wars, like this was me for Transformers. And remember
I wasn't even that into Like, I wasn't following this religiously.
This wasn't my jam. I DW comics were out, I
wasn't even reading those. I just knew it as something
that I grew up with. It was a thing I liked,

(38:55):
and now this person is going to try and make
it and I think That's why, in a weird way,
I understand exactly how wrong a lot of these like
Star Wars fanboys are where it's like, you know, but
I was mad. I still to this day, I haven't
seen the Transformers movie at all. At all. I still

(39:17):
to this day I told myself, I'm not going to
see it. I'm not going to see and then it
just got to the point where I just didn't care
to see, you know, And I've only saw and I
only saw the only Transformers movie I saw was I
forgot what movie I was watching. But my sister wanted
to go see this Transformers sequel, which came out in

(39:39):
January nine. We'll go deeper into sequels, but then we're
talking about that was prob. Oh yeah, this is still
Shylo buff and he uh. And my sister was watching
it and my movie got done, So I went to
pop in two guess watch the tail end of this

(40:01):
movie to wait for my sister, being a good brother,
thinking Okay, I've hated Transformers, It's probably not as bad
as I'm making out it out to be. I walk in.
The first thing I see are the two black robots.
Everyone knows who I'm talking about. When I say the
two Black Robots, because they're the two Black Robots. They

(40:25):
are the jar Jar Binks of the Transporter series. And
I was like, I made the right decision. He's not
investing in this, in this, in this franchise. That had
to be one of the worst decisions that they made
for the man. Oh my gosh. That I just remember

(40:45):
being like, wow, this is exactly as bad as I
remember it. But a lot of times, you know, I
often catch myself being like, how do these keep getting made?
How do these keep getting made? But they keep getting
made because they are widely successful. I mean the the
franchise as a whole. As a whole, the budget has
been nine hundred and seventy two million, which sounds like

(41:08):
a lot, but the budget as a whole has also
made four point thirty eight billion dollars billion, not millions,
billion dollars. So we got the first Transformers, which you
had a budget of one hundred and fifty million, and
they made seven hundred nine point seven million. Then we
had the sequel, which had the budget of two hundred million,

(41:31):
only to make eight hundred and sixty three point three million.
The sequel made almost as much as the whole series
has cost I almost think that, you know, these movies
kind of defined a particular genre film where it was
like robot action. Oh yeah, here's the thing. I'm all
about it because I'm a huge Pacific rim fan boy.

(41:52):
I was just about to bring that up. Love robots
fighting monsters for intensive, like everything, I'm with it. I
Transformers was made for me. I'm a guy who would
have watched it if I wasn't you know that edge
Lord in two thousand seven, I'd be on this podcast
talked about its praises because let me tell you, if

(42:15):
you've ever been in Universal Studios, they have a Transformers ride,
which I initially avoided, of course, because even though this
is a new positive everything, love everything, if he keep
down inside that edge Lord is still tugging on some strings,
don't do it. You don't believe in this. But when
I went on that ride, I sat in. I believed

(42:38):
in Transformers, the Michael Bay series. When I was rolling
through that four D experience, watching Bumblebeet and Megatron fight
in front of my call, I felt the heat of
the flames, felt the sparks, the crunch, the turns, high adrenaline.

(43:00):
I believe it, and every time I go to Universal Studios,
I get on that right because it's fun. It's amazing,
it's fun. It's too fun. It's too fun. I needed
to take a seat after the first one because my
my heart was racing, pumping. I feel that, and it's
I can't deny I like robots fighting, and I should
like the series. I may go back and watch the

(43:21):
original one. Who knows, maybe maybe that's how I'll close
the chapter on that part of my life is watching Transformers.
I think that there's definitely a certain value to the movie,
specifically in what you mentioned, in what you experienced in
the ride, in putting all of that stuff in an
actually physical space. I think, aside from issues with the movie,

(43:44):
like Shyla buff in general being kind of a goofball,
maybe making Fox's performance where you know, not the best.
Maybe some of the storylines about the robots themselves were
kind of like, is this really where we're going with
these guys right now? Also making the robots bleed, there's
all these little like aesthetic choices where it was like,
I get that he's in pain. You don't have to
create big robot blood for me to get that bubble

(44:06):
he's not feeling it right now, but I think for
that entertainment purpose they succeed. Well, that's what's funny is
I feel like right now superheroes are filling that void.
And but there was a time where a movie didn't
have to be the perfect story, didn't have to have

(44:28):
agree with that. It just needed to have the heart
and the energy, the adrenaline. It was like that. That
was what a blockbuster movie was. It wasn't necessarily the
best movie, but you had fun while watching it. An
exciting thing happened. And now, and I don't think it's
necessarily a good or bad thing. We're having that blockbuster
experience kind of supplemented with good stories based on these

(44:53):
superhero lores that have existed and been refined for decades.
At this point that this that might be a thing
that's gone. I felt like there was a when the
first specific Rim came out. Everyone there were people who
hated it, but for the most part, a lot of
people were like, nah, it was robots fighting monsters. That's

(45:14):
what we wanted. Was great. And then between that, a
whole bunch of Marvel movies came out doing exactly what
I just talked about. Then we do the second Pacific
Rim and everyone's like, the story could be better, And
that's like a valid critique. Like by valid critique, I
mean a critique that I understood and wasn't really able

(45:35):
to argue against. Whereas when people hit me without a
critique with Pacific Rim, my response was, what did you expect?
It was to me the movie promised gave me everything
that it promised, and it promised robots fighting monsters, and
you know what, I got a boat being used as
a bat. I got a surprise sword. Yes, you surprise sword. Baby,

(46:02):
let's go now. I gotta say when I walked out
of Pacific Room for the first time, truthfully, that was
my only complaint in the whole movie that I was like,
time out, You're gonna save the sword for just the
last fight. Like I get it. I it's a's a
plot device. Maybe they just installed it and it was
a new Yeager kind of thing, but like you could
have been sliced people up with that sword from day one.

(46:24):
That every anime we've seen ever has prepared us for
that moment, because that could be the thing that about
every anime like Goku, why didn't you try and go
super instinct when you were fighting like vegeta or something
you had to you couldn't use the spirit bobbab like
three other fings exactly exactly now, I'm I'm definitely I'm

(46:44):
I'm with you in that department. Um, But you know,
I think you're very right and that the Marvel movies
kind of took the place of the Spectacle movie and
that we definitely have this kind of expectation of these movies.
And it's interesting to me how certain movies kind of
skirt that. I know we're not talking about movies like
Fast and Furious right now, but I think they do
something very well and that they almost throw it in

(47:06):
your face how unrealistic that is. They're constantly doing stuff
where it's like, hey, look, we're very purposefully avoiding reality
right now, and it does it to an extent that
it almost makes it more enjoyable, because it's like, this
movie is extra silly. I unronically loved the Fast and
Furious franchise with you and it, and as the series evolved,

(47:27):
I evolved with it. Originally, this this same wee be
iffy that we were talking about in these early odds
was also because, of course I was a weep. Of
course I liked the initial D, so of course I
wanted I was really in it. I was in there.
There was these model cars called Modifiers. I don't know
if you remember them. They were made by the same

(47:48):
company that made tech Deck, and what it was it
was it would be as a stock car and then
it would give you aftermarket parts where you can who
in the car. You can add a body kit, you
can add um a cold air intake. And I was
deep into that. I was so deep into that. I

(48:08):
was in the Modifiers. Back to forums. I was in
the forums, and I had a real popular thing, and
I wish I could. I don't have any record of it,
and it's the one thing I regret. I created a
magazine specifically for this form called mod mag that was
like an import tuner for these model cars, and then
I interviewed people on the on the forum boards. Yeah,

(48:32):
and it was so cool. I just wish I could
go back and see and I could like it's stuff
like that, that's like, oh, that's why I'm a TV
writer now, but like it's just so so cool. But
like taking that person trying to pull in that tangent
abile the initial Fast and Furious, which was about you know,

(48:54):
racing tuner cars. I'm in and then as I grow
and become a mega nerd and like robots fighting and
big action in movies, and it turns into like this
huge heist movie. I mean once the Rock got involved
that that whole series turned around. Like I know Tyres
was beef and with the Rock, but it's like, no,
you gotta I'm sorry, you all got to take an

(49:15):
ail on that. The Rock did save this series and
make it something so amazing. It really kind of gave
the series a new life, and it gave it new direction,
and it gave it a voice, like we know what
it's what it is, and I can't wait for the
spinoff and what they do next. Speaking of movies, the

(49:36):
third one Transformers Dark of the Move. So this is
where Transformers gets kind of confusing, because I remember when
Dark of the Moon came out and to me, I
thought it kind of came and went. I thought no
one cared about it. I mean, this is where things
get kind of funny and where we start to answer
that question like why do they keep making Transformers in

(49:56):
this but like because it's unstoppable, Because when Rotten Tomatoes
has thirty five percent so UM two hundred forty six
surveyed critics gave a positive review, the average rating being
four point nine out of ten. The site's critical consensus reads,
it's special effects and three D shots are undeniably impressive,

(50:18):
but they aren't enough to fill up a loud, bloating run,
bloated running time, or mask it's thin in different script.
So I remember that, I remember the bad reviews. I
remember it feeling like it came and went. What I
don't remember is the fact that it costs one million
to make but made one point one hundred and twenty

(50:40):
four billion dollars. I've missed. I thought you said a
hundred four billion dollars. Why hasn't it broke records? Yeah?
One point one to four and that's worldwide grows. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, so that's the thing. And so this is
June twenty nine, two thousand and eleven, and we're like,

(51:02):
what is going on? But it's like, yeah, it's making
the money. And then we get number four, Age of Extinction,
which which that one ended up bringing in. It costs
uh two hundred ten million, and it brought in another
one point one hundred and four billion. That's two movies

(51:22):
in a row that has brought in a billion dollars
and that is the only and this is the market
mark era. And yeah, that's why they keep making it.
I guess I can't argue that. I knowing that, I
can't argue it. It's like, keep making it. Now. The
reception is it was the pretty much same thing, Like

(51:44):
it had an eight Rotten Tomato score, which is based
on a hundred nine seven reviews in an average rate
of three point nine out of ten. But the billions
don't lie, you know, you can you can cry yourself
to the bank. Yeah, I mean I also think that,
you know, what we find is that a lot of
these numbers are kind of they come from overseas numbers.

(52:07):
We're obviously seeing a lot of theater participation in the States,
but a lot of overseas numbers just bump everything up
because I think the rest of the world kind of
gets it when they're like this is Look, I'm not
coming to this movie for these oscar winning you know,
performances are writing or something. I'm coming here to be entertained. Yeah,
I'm you know, exing out the world. I'm eating my

(52:27):
popcorn and I'm watching a movie. And I think that's
why some of these movies succeed and so in such
grandiose fashion around the world is because they are super
well done spectacles that a lot of people who just
want to go have a spectacle or like this is perfect,
don't change. That's so true because that's the one reason
that Pacific Room was successful. It flopped in the US, obviously,

(52:49):
But you're right, because even if you can't speak English,
you can understand robots beating the crap. Most certainly can.
And so I think that is great. Like if you're watching,
if you don't have too much of a hold on
English and you're watching, like inside Leewin Davis, that's I
can't think of a worst You're not gonna be able
to understand the nuances of, you know, trying to grow

(53:11):
up gay. Oh my gosh, yeah yeah that that that yeah, that,
Oh my gosh, that's so this that last one that
came and went with the Last Night, that one, like,
you know, like I saw ads for it within a
week of it releasing and then they disappeared, you know.
Unsurprisingly has the worst Rotten Tomato review and has made

(53:32):
the least out of all of the Transformers movie. So yeah,
this technically is the first L but that L being
a two hundred and sixty million budget and a sixty
four hundred million box office, So that's still a that
that is still a success by any meeting. Yeah, that's
still that's still a lot of money right there. I mean,

(53:53):
it also might explain why Michael Bay was like, you
know what, let's take our foot off the series, because
like that they was just starting to hit hit that
plateau and then I was just starting to creep over
the edge. And instead of you know, pulling a Michael
Jordan and taking one more season with the Wizards, they
were like, I'm gonna take the win because you end
on a win. I mean, this is the worst. They're
still winning four dollars old. It's a huge win. That's

(54:14):
why it's so funny because it's like, yeah, it's like
what follion dollars, Like, yeah, but the last two made
a billion, so that's so when you could bear. But
at the end of the day, yeah, I feel like
one of the biggest things that might have screwed this
is the fact that the advertisement wasn't there. I didn't

(54:35):
see any advertising for the last night. Like when I
saw it, I was like, Oh, there's gonna be another Transformers.
Oh man and and but you know, you're right, Michael
Bay did pull the foot off the gas because the
Bumblebee uh spinoff slash is going to be by some

(54:55):
Bumblebee I don't necessarily get because bumble Be just just
because you've seen most of them. Yep, you've seen the
first one, which is the most important from my experience,
bumblebee first interaction. What's a human is Shyla buff Yeah,
so but this seems like Bumblebee's first interaction with human.

(55:20):
They're they're re upping the story. And it's the funny
thing is usually re up a story like that when
you want to retell a character arc. It's like how
many times have we seen Peter Parker get raised and
you know, talked about at May And then the same
thing with Batman. It's like the story of Batman has
been told so many times because it is compelling, and

(55:40):
Bumblebee doesn't really have a compelling birth story. He wasn't
there wasn't like some you know, Megatron betrayal or anything
like that. You know, not to disrespect the other Transformers.
But he's a robot, and he was introduced to us
by being like, hey, that cars a robot, and that
was pretty much shit. That was pretty much our backstory
with him. So whenever they tried to fabricate or right

(56:00):
as it were, is going to be a kind of
like addition and kind of you know, trying to add
some sort of sympathetic backstory to a character that is
you know, yeah, for the entertainment. Also, I'm guessing it's
going to end with him having his memory wiped. Since
we never hear about any of these, some sort of
horrible thing will happen. I'm sure. Yeah, it's it's wild,

(56:21):
and that is a good point where it's like, yeah,
some stories can be told over and over, some don't
necessarily have to, which is why I'm super excited that
Homecoming just started. I was that was the biggest professionair Fair,
huge Homecoming fan. Yeah, I loved it, And that's what
That's what I want for the next Superman, the next Batman. Like,

(56:43):
let's just start. Everyone knows what how they got their powers,
they know, let's just start it. No need to rehash
the same origin story. Goodness, gracious, it's almost more fun
when you know, you kind of have to figure out
what's going on and you're like, oh, wait, we're in it.

(57:03):
That is Spider Man. Oh this is oh oh. It's
kind of like um with Logan. How it starts and
he's a drunk, passed out limo driver in the back
of the truck and they're messing up this thing and
he's like all right, fine. Then he bust out the
spikes and you're like, oh, it's really oh okay, here
we are. And I think if you want to add

(57:24):
something organic and real, it's got to be like that.
You have to pay, you have to you know, base
it on real human emotion and struggle and stuff like that.
And I just don't I don't see Bumblebee having that
kind of you know that that that strife as it were.
Unfortunately quite Yeah, but that's that's the next step on
the series is But you know the best part of

(57:45):
all this is you do get that I DW series
that's still going, and it's it's still there. It's like
they I had so many friends gush about the Transformers
I d W series that I'm probably going to pick
up a few trades. It's a bi weekly schedule. It's
been going on since October two tho five and has

(58:07):
been going till this day, and it seems like they're
going to wrap up this current story and relaunch. So
hearing this podcast is a nice alarm that you can
because whenever someone asked me when they should get into
comics or when they should do I always say start
after a crossover event because usually they all the stories

(58:30):
kind of reboot. Um, that's the and And if I
haven't said that on that pot on the pot yet,
that is the best time to start any if you
want to get into Marvel, if you want to get
into d C, wait for a crossover event. If you
want to know what a crossover event is, I think
the easiest way to describe it to someone who doesn't

(58:50):
read comics regularly is walk into the store. Look at
all of the titles. Do they have a subtitle on it?
Is it like Batman Darkest Night, Superman Darkest Night? Uh?
Then you'll see a comic called Darkest Night. Then that
probably means that they're having a Darkest Night crossover. And
you can even talk to the front desk person and

(59:13):
what's usually good too is usually on the during the
crossover events, they'll have the amount of comics that the
crossover events will be. I'd say maybe even jump in
during the crossover event, you know, check out what's going on. Also,
that's gonna help you because they're probably gonna refer to
the crossover event through the whole thing. And the reason
it's called a crossover event is because normally most comics

(59:36):
stay in their own lane, and during a crossover event,
you'll have heroes being in other comics and the events
of the crossover events leaking over into other comics. Like
Fear Itself. You know happened during the what was it
called the Most Dangerous Man Alive, which was when Black
Panther to Challa lost his Black Panther powers and what

(59:59):
was watching Overhel's kitchen right after the shadow Land event,
and uh, Daredevil kind of took a hike to go
find himself, and so you had to Challa watching over
New York and doing street level crimes when Challa is like, yeah,
the world stage, it's really I have them all I
can let you. It was great. The Fear Itself crossover
I wasn't the happiest about because they put them up

(01:00:21):
against Hate Monger, who is literally just a dude who
is in a pink KKK outfit with an H on
his head. It was, it was, it was, it was.
It was kind of whack. But in the end, like
I kind of grown to love this series because it
was showed to Challa in a new light and up
against the new situations, kind of kind of you know,

(01:00:43):
pressing him in the way of like, Okay, I am
used to handling things on things on a grand stage.
I'm used to being, you know, a high status individual,
and now he's kind of a low status as working
for a convenience store in uh in New York, as
a black person. It's it's very fun. It's it was

(01:01:05):
a fun run and it was short, and then after
that Black Panthers ceased to exist for a bit, but
then then it came back and now it's going strong
there because because that was the last Black Panther book
if I remember correctly, before the Tennahsee Coats Run. But
I think the Tennahasey Coats Run kind of just starts
its own kind of. I mean, it's still within the world,

(01:01:26):
but it doesn't really reference anything that happens there, so
you don't have to read it. If you want to
go read the Tenahasey Coats run, which is also amazing.
But what I'm trying to say, so you're trying to
get into the I DW Transformers, you can hop on
the train very soon they reboot it, or you can
just wrap up everything that has happened since October two

(01:01:46):
thousand five in trades. Very daunting, I will say, but
you but if I remember correctly from the image Commis episode,
trades are the best way to fully dive into a
oh yes, because it just technically a bit cheaper and
it gets a lot of the like, especially when you
have to go through a lot of comics, like I'm

(01:02:08):
it's like four or five than one book, right, Yeah,
And I was behind on That's how I got caught
up on Walking Dead. I'm behind again. But I bought
the compendium, which was a hundred issues and one thick book,
and I burned through that, And so I caught up
a hundred issues and was able to catch up to
the issue at the time, which was um which was

(01:02:28):
a major character being killed off. And I was able
to not to feel it just the same because I
just didn't jump that burned into it. But yeah, I
feel like that's all the Transformers will talk about. Transformers
is going to be around forever. I feel like, and
I'm glad we got to cap off the holy Trinity
of like those three main properties that were created to

(01:02:51):
sell toys but now are just main stays and have
their own strong lore. You have Ninja, Turtle, g I Joe,
and Transformers the Toy the toys series series. Yeah, someone's
gonna hit me up with this some some extra toy
I mean, there's definitely some other toy stuff we need
to hit on the belief, but we'll get to that.

(01:03:13):
But these, I feel like, are like the holy Trinity
of toy series. Absolutely. I feel that Do you have
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