Episode 27: Halloween Franchise

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, Hello, hello, and welcome to a spooktacular episode of Notificent.
We're starting off sp October. Iffy, you're you're all in
your orange today? Oh yeah, I don't, you know. I
wish I could be like I did it for the cast,
but really I just got these new Gatorade jays and

(00:29):
their orange and I could have gone white with it,
but I was like, let me lean into the orange,
because well, I guess I did do it for the
festive reasons. My bad, you know. Yeah, but all this
month we're going to be covering horror, scary, spooky, spooksters, witchcraft.
Where are you giggling spooksters, spooks. There's come here and

(00:52):
get your get your spookies on. I like whenever places
do like the puns, like you know, Happy Honda Days
or something. But it's like, yeah, someone on Twitter was
doing like a whole like I love the Halloween spooky
stuff and the whole long thing on how much they
love Halloween puns, and then I just replied Google story

(01:14):
bro Yep, we're gonna eat, drink and be scary. Okay,
I think people already over there, um, so today joining
us we are Actually we're starting off with the Halloween franchise,
and we brought someone who is a dope expert. She's
a comedian, a director. We are joined by Lucy Tomlin Brenner.

(01:37):
Thanks for coming. Hello. So you were highly recommended as
someone that like one, you're legit wearing Halloween three to
that there's like a theme involved. I'm going to dress
for it. Yeah, oh my god. So what is your
first memory I guess of Halloween, like the franchise in general,
when did you start getting into it? Well, actually seeing

(01:58):
the movies I saw the first was not until college actually,
but I saw the third one when I was much younger.
The third one, Season of the Witch went out of order. Yeah,
well it's okay with Season of the Witch because it
has nothing to do with Michael Myers. It's the one
outsider film that has takes place in a totally different universe.
It's more science fiction. E um. And that one was

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on late at night on television and my mom actually
woke me up as a kid and said that she
was too scared to watch it. And when I come
with her, watch it me a child, mom company um.
And there's a scene where like a kid's head is
he's wearing a mask and it kind of explodes in
a gnarly snakes and worms and creepy Crawley's And I

(02:41):
was like, I'm never going to put a mask on
my head again, like totally absolutely not now, but I
would say it like last year, probably ten good years
of like I can't all masks are cursed. Mine was.
I don't know if you guys remember the Haunted Mask
from Goose. Yeah, I had that vh US tape of
Carly Baxter. She got the mask stuck on her head

(03:04):
and that scared the crap out of me. She could
not get the mask. That was a scary mask too.
There are two episodes that were really scared to me.
To me, the Mask one, the mask was scary, but
not necessarily like the theme or what it was was scary.
But that puppet one, oh none of the Living Dummy
Hell yeah, that was like one of the most hardcore

(03:28):
Goose bump for I don't know if you saw, but
I did a giveaway of my Twilight Zone toys and
one of them what figures, and one of them was
the dummy that was again originally a Twilight Zone episode. Yeah, well,
I mean dummies have been in horror because you have that,
then you have the weird creepy Family Matters Halloween special.
Then you have Tales from the Hood with the slave dummies. Also,

(03:51):
I don't know if he counts, but my cousin Skeeter,
uh kind of. I think he had a Halloween episode.
He kind of counts as a dummy. He's a puppet,
but you know puppets, and uh yeah, Night of the
Living Living Dummy is the reason why I never trusted ventriloquists.
I didn't want to be alone with their dummies. No,
it makes sense. Like anything that can just sit and

(04:12):
stare at you with dull eyes, it's uh, it feels
like there's something menacing behind it. Yeah, so let's, uh,
let's talk a little bit about Halloween, because there's a
lot to talk about. Saloween is an American horror franchise
that consists of eleven films, novels, comic books, merchandise, and

(04:36):
a video game, and the franchise primarily focuses on the
serial killer Michael Myers, who was committed to a sanitarium
as a child, which is a cuckoo's nest for those
who don't know, which is a insane asylum. For those
who don't know that reference. And uh he was. He
was basically committed as a child for the murder of
his older sister, Judith Myers, and then fifteen years later

(04:58):
he escapes to stalk and all the people of the
fictional town of hadden Field, Illinois, while being chased by
his former psychiatrist, Dr. Sam Loomis. Michael's killings occur on
the holiday of Halloween, on which all of the films
primarily take place. Yeah, yeah, this is this is interesting
because this was like that kind of trend that was

(05:19):
interesting and I feel like never really revisited, but just
the idea of there being a time, a killing time,
a killing out, like even remember the whole thing with
it was that it was to stop um. The original
it was it was going to be a specific date
that he comes out, and he kills people every seven years, Yes,

(05:42):
every seven years, And I feel like that is like
a very because horror at its core is preying on
human fears, and I think the knowledge of when it happens,
it's gonna happen. Yeah, I like that a lot because
it means that it's inevitable. Yeah, like, no matter what
you do, the calendar is going to keep rolling and

(06:04):
Michael Myers has that Ernie's Cross of the Days. Yeah.
Our producer Dan just said the Purge, yeah, which is
a more recent one. Um, I have a couple. So
I rewatched this last night. I have a I mean,
you know, I'm gonna I was that obnoxious person. I
was watching it again. I'm like, but why this? But wait,
that doesn't make sense. But you know what, overall it

(06:26):
was groundbreaking because it was an indie horror film. Yeah,
three thou dollars ext and actually I think so I
was looking at twenty five thousand of that went to
Donald Pleasants, who was the only like actually known actor
that wasn't He played Dr Loomis, and so everybody else
was pretty much not well known. Jamie Lee Curtis they

(06:47):
went with because of her mom, who was the original
you would know it as this the scream Queen from
Um Psycho and Touch of Evil. Yes, yes, yes, yeah,
and so but this was the first thing really that
Jamie Lee Curtis had had been in, I think because
says Breakout Row. Yeah, it says in the in the
opening credits, it is introducing Jamie Lee Curtis, and she

(07:10):
had a good scream thing. That's why she became a
scream queen. She has this amazing blood curdling shriek that
really been displayed. I feel yeah, yeah, and I feel
that Era has died of being screaming. I mean MTV
even had the Scream Queen's Reality show. Did you ever
watch that? Yeah, And it's all about you know, you
had to you had to have that scream and then

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you because yeah, you had Scream the actual movie, you
had Halloween, Chainsaw Massacre, and then you started getting I
think horror started moving more into where it became kind
of like a gore fest like your Saw movies. Yeah,
well when Saw came out and was it like two
thousand and two or two thousand and three, that was
totally changed the genre. Moved everything away from slasher or

(07:55):
an unknown killer and made it more about like how
can we intricately take the human body apart? Yeah, it's
like not really my thing, Like I love horrors yet
I think I did want to say, I just shot
a pilot with Barbara Crampton and she is a scream
queen for sure, and so we shot it. It It was

(08:15):
produced by Fan Gloria and it was a Ghost Hunting Pilot.
But like her fans because I was like tagged in
her pictures with her, her fans are ravenous. Like it's
really funny. Like a lot of horror and indie horror
people are like in love with that and they follow
those actors throughout their films. Oh absolutely, I mean horror
conventions are so huge, and that's where like a lot
of these women and small actors who like had this

(08:37):
thriving career and like VHS tape, basically, they really are
still operating pretty well underneath the surface. We just don't
know that. It's like I've waited in lines before for
people and I've come back and been like, look at
this first thing I met, and it only hits for
very few people are excited for me. So you know,
you guys know, being nerds, you just have to like
turn to your niche and be like you sure for sure. Yeah,

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let's talk a little bit about the man who made
this film, John Carpenter. So he was pretty much fresh
out of film school. Yeah when he when he decided
to make this again. Their budget was three hundred thousand,
and he also did the music, the very iconic famous
I love music, so much. I was just I was
rewatching yesterday. I did like a little marathon because I

(09:25):
was like, I want to get everything fresh in my head.
So I like pounded all um, not all eleven, but
the original non rob zombie ones in the last So
you also got H two O in there. Oh I
love H two O. I don't know if now the
tie we're talking about it, but that one is, so
we'll talk about it. Had and then the one after
they half busta rhymes Tyra Banks. Yeah, well that one was.

(09:50):
Those are interesting because you brought up Scream earlier, and
Scream was revolutionary for bringing in teams that people already knew,
and it's like names that were already big instead of
like these had teenage like the original Halloween had teenagers,
but there were no names. Wes Craven was like, what
if we brought in like a pop culture bent by
not only having the references but also having you know,

(10:10):
faces people recognized. And so then H two oh saw
the success of Scream and was like, let's bring in
these hot teens Josh Hartnett and Hello cool J not
teen anymore at that time, but I mean yeah, I
mean hello coo J. At the time. How old was he?
He seems ageless to me, but I feel like he

(10:31):
had to have been in his late Oh wow, yep,
I have no idea how years old? I said, fifty
nine years old? Oh that wow. H Uo came out
and h Uo was twenty years later. That's wild. I
just made that connection. How I really feel like this? Okay,

(10:53):
you're right. If my masculine were all over the place there,
Oh yeah, no, mine, mine was. I was just doing
all that talking to me time, so I can just
say the right one. Dennis isn't the math expert pe
uh So? John Carpenter actually teamed up with Deborah Hill
and they wrote this together. So previously she hadn't been

(11:14):
She was a script supervisor in Assault on Precinct thirteen.
That's when they originally worked together. So then it was
kind of a big move for her to now be
a screenwriter on Halloween, isn't it? And there weren't really
a lot of women involved in horror either, because especially
in the seventies and like the sixties, at grindhouse and
exploitation and films were really where horror was thriving. And

(11:35):
that was definitely like all dudes. Yeah, so she she
was actually born in hayden Field. And then you'll see
that that was been in New Jersey and that was
the name of the town that they were in, except
for in Illinois and it doesn't exist it right, and
it doesn't exist. Yeah, a lot of the places don't
like the stranger things. Where do they live again or
is that a real place? It's not a real place.

(11:56):
Um oh shoot, it's like on all their on the
tip of my tongue. I just that small commercial for
it again. I think they do that just so that
people don't flock to a plan. Sure, yeah, everybody always
goes and visits the Oh shoot, what am I trying
to say? That? Everyone always goes the Home Alone House
in Chicago and the full House House San Francis, and

(12:19):
then the blank Check House is actually in Austin because
when I went to school at u T there you
could go and see it. It does not have a
slide that goes from the office to the pool out
like like they would lead you to Belie appointing. Well,
this was filmed in Pasadena, so we could actually go
see that since we wanted to, which I went to
Downey High which uh in Downey they have the golf

(12:40):
and stuff that's featured in Karate Kid. Uh. And you
know what, forget that place because when I was seventeen,
they did not accept my they did not hire me
when I put in a job application. I'm surprised to
even mentioning it right people. I wanted to know so
people can if they're seeing it drive away like someone's
in their car. Are stuff right now? They're like, all right,

(13:02):
if you said we got a dip. I want to
talk about two really cool things. One. I like the
fact that they were showing the thing, the original thing
on the TV, because then he later ended up directing it,
so that was super cool. It must have been a
favorite of his already. Yeah, influential is why he had
it in there. So um for y'all that don't remember,
they were watching the two little kids were watching, uh,

(13:25):
the one that Jamie Lee Curtis was a babysitting Tommy
who actually Cammy later. Yeah. And then who was the
other girl's name, Lindsay? Lindsay because her babysitter Annie, who
is the friend Laurie's friends like, screams her name many
many times. True. Yeah, And so they were watching the
thing the original thing and uh, and that was really

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dope because then John Carpenter ended up directing the thing. Uh.
And then another thing was that you actually didn't have
very much blood. A lot of people think that there's
a lot of blood because there is a lot of
like stabbing and strangling and even like him slicing people
in the neck, but they chose to not have blood,
and it's so fascinating or not very much of it.
It's fascinating because they were like, it's more of your imagination.

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So if you remember someone getting sliced in the neck,
like they didn't actually show any blood, that's just your
own mind like creating that for you. And the sound
is so crisp too, Like I love the sound in
that movie because every knife slash it gives me chills
because it has like a very like ging like, so
I feel like that, coupled with the imaginative aspects of

(14:27):
it are really hopeful. Yeah. Yeah. Irwin Yablins is an
American independent film producer and distributor known for his work
in the horror film industry. His brother, Frank Jablin's, was
also a producer. He produced Jaws, Halloween, Tourist, Trap, Roller Boogie,
Nocturna God daughter of Dracula, Halloween to Hell, Night Blood Beach,

(14:49):
Halloween three, Season of The Witch, the shirt in which
Louse is wearing, and Tank Halloween begin as an idea
suggested by the Yablans entitled The Babysitter Murder. Yeah, that
was that was their thing. It's so great that they
ditched that. Can you imagine this having this much commercial
success with that? M Yeah, exactly. A babysitting is hard

(15:11):
and I've done it for most of my life and
we don't need that kind of heat. It is kind
of scary, and it is still like, you know, I
think they use that and scream, you know, the babysitting
you know that theme and um in when a stranger calls, right,
Like it's scary being in somebody else's house, right, I um.
I've nannied out a place before that. Um was up
in the hills and it was all glass. So at
night it's dark, you can see out, but you don't

(15:33):
know who can see and at you because you can't
see anything. So I feel like it creates, especially with teenagers.
I feel like a lot of people babysit on their teens.
So that idea of like you're in somebody else's house.
You don't know the ins and outs, and like these
aren't your kids, but you're supposed to protect them. There's
a lot of different levels of anxiety going. But also
just how they like completely capitalize on this holiday, like
they took the name they took Halloween. I mean that's

(15:56):
usually like oddly enough, I feel a aren't bet if
you think of it on a commercial level, because if
you label a movie to a holiday, then you get
those sweet residuals all the time, like Sinbad's rolling in
the dough from Jingle all the way, because every Christmas
it's a staple, you know, Sam with Mariah carry that Christmas,

(16:19):
Alva Christmas. That's that is who she is. No, it's true.
I remember, well, you're asking me what I remember from
when I was a kid. And even though I didn't
watch these when I was a kid, I grew up
in the late eighties and early nineties, and this was
on network TV. Every I remember coming home from trick
or treat and it would be on the TV and
I would be too scared and I'd have to go
into another room, Which is funny now looking back on it,

(16:40):
because you said it's not that bloody, it's not actually
that scary, but just like the menacing nous of Michael
Myers and the idea that he was going to come
on Halloween and I'm like, Halloween's a nice time. Yeah,
I didn't like that as a child. Also, the way
that he was shot, I mean, I feel like that
was also kind of groundbreaking. And Carpenter's idea of the
Shape you know, which is his other name that he's
known as, kind of just like this thing that's lurking.

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UM is also another another part of it, and I
think a big part of UM, like congratulations goes to
Nick Castle, who played the Shape in the first movie
and then never did again until he is going to
be in David Gordon Green, I know, going to be
the most the one that's coming out, Yeah, in a
few weeks, well less then depending on when this airs. Um,
but yeah, I'm really excited about his return because, UM,

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I love I watched all of the movies. I like
all the iterations. I think they all have something interesting
going for them, but none of them Michaels are quite
as like big and menacing. They don't move the same
way Nikesla. This lumbering aspect to him. That made it
also feel supernatural. That and the whole fact that he
could keep coming back, and like other iterations of Michael

(17:47):
are a little more awkward, and he doesn't seem as
big a lot of it is I think. I know.
I was watching him like he's he's a little thick,
Like I'm kind of into it. He's kind of hot.
He's kind of hot. It's crazy he's supposed to be
twenty one. Oh that's another thing together last the first
time you want to like just kind of smack him
in the face and be like get over yourself. Yeah,

(18:08):
hown you go to a party. Uh, smoke some weed, baby. Yeah,
let's talk about Michael Meyers. So he is twenty one,
seems perpetually forty for sure. I mean. And here's the
thing though, so that opening, that opening scene with him
as a kid, it's fascinating because as him, as you know,
he kills his sister and then they pull his mask
off and he looks like this adorable little elf. Like

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I said, he's cute. That is kind of fascinating to
me because later Dr Loomis was like, yeah, and I
met him when fifteen years ago, and he was six
years old. He had black eyes and I'm likely we
saw him he did it. He had like blue eyes.
He was adorable. He was really cute. He looked like
a you know, cabbage patch kid. Um, so I found

(18:50):
that fascinating. But they did make him really cute. And
then when they pulled his mask off, I was like,
he kind of hot. He's kind of hot. I like
to imagine that they wanted the kid to make like
a mean face, but he was just cute and they're like,
I just leave it in now. I feel like he
had to have been like a friend's kid. I love

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that his his parents are just like, Michael, what did
you do? And then they just stood there for like
a minute, just look. I'm like, why don't you run inside? Yeah,
but this was another one. I love. What's the movie?
I think it is Scream where they dissect the fact
that the virgins live and the quote unquote slutty kids don't. Yeah,

(19:31):
this was this was trope. Yeah, definitely, but um John
Carpenter has actually said in interviews before that he wasn't
trying to do that on purpose, which I actually like
on respect a lot, because um like a morality play
on virginity from a man is like not what I
mean to So I really like that. He was like,
this is just I was trying to portray teens as

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they are and like that's that wasn't a part of it. Yeah,
and I really watching it again. Um, I was just
thinking about how much her friends reminded me of my
friends in high school. You're just like kind of mean
to each other, but you're like really good friends and
you're just like messing with each other. And like Laurie
is always played up as like the good girl, but
she and her friend Annie are smoking pot in the car,

(20:13):
so it's not like she's not the perfect girl. She's
studious and like she like hasn't had sex, but like,
come on, they're all just having fun. Yeah. As a
matter of fact, Yeah, we have a quote from Carpenter
saying that Halloween is a true cress exploitation and I
decided to make a film I would love to have
seen as a kid, full of cheap tricks, like a
haunted house at a fair where you walked down the

(20:34):
corridor and things you're back at you. The film has
often been cited as an allegory on the virtue of
sexual purity and the danger of casual sex. Though a
Man's Carpenter has explained that this was not the intent.
He has said and I quote. It has been suggested
that I was making some kind of moral standpoint. Believe me,
I'm not. In Halloween, I viewed the characters as simply
normal last teenagers. I've added the ass was interview. I

(20:58):
think that's how I imagine I'm saying it. Like, yeah,
I'm really glad that he clarified that. Yeah, because it
is interesting because but because that is the interesting thing
about art and the difficult thing about creating it is
you tell the story you want to tell, and you
put what you want behind it. But people can will

(21:21):
and you know, find their own meaning behind it, make
their own Like it's so funny, Like I think about
the ending of Interstellar and like how he like no
one was getting annoyed because everyone would ask what it
meant if he's in the dream or not based on
the top of it, and he was like, that's for
you to decide, and it was like kind of but no,

(21:43):
like wait, you mean the one with Leo, Yeah, not
Interstellar Subsception, Yeah, sorry, does say Interstellar. I've been thinking
about Interstellar I like, you should try ketamine because no,
it feels like it. I did it with a doctor,
so I don't know what doctor present, so so you know, look, yeah,

(22:07):
illegally did it? All right, that's a different Can you
add ketamine on our list of on the docket of
nerd things I want to talk about. It is a
science project. It's not just a drug. It's like used
for people that have PTSD and other things. Anyways, Um,
I've also read that, Yeah, I didn't take it illegally
to shoot up it. I didn't think you didn't. If

(22:31):
one percent, it felt like that fourth dimension. Oh my gosh,
I had the word for it. And then I stopped, Yeah,
we'll talk about it. What is it? Yes? Yeah? Um
that yeah, that the whole portrayal of space and the
fact that it made so many scientists mad because because

(22:53):
he chose a specific scientist theory and the scientists that
don't believe that theory, we're fighting it. I was like, I,
but it's also just his portrayal. It's art. But that's
what I was just. But what it was was because
it was being lauded as one of the most scientifically accurate,
because he was going based on this science. So all
the other scientists were like, hold, because scientists are catty

(23:17):
little brats who like but in your inn industry where
you're you are saying, I'm actually and that is their
whole thing. They always have to be like, well, you know,
but that's that's the one instinct stince that I do
like that because one, it means that we're advancing knowledge

(23:37):
when they're fighting over stuff, but too it's funny that
it's literally their job to be mad about at each other. Yeah,
I wanted to say another thing that kind of uh
I liked their commentary on reality was a ghost story,
which was just like showing how we kind of treat
like how we don't fully understand the afterlife and like

(23:58):
that they have a different timeline than we do, which
it'sound fascinating. We are actually going to get into the
rest of the Halloween franchise right after this break. They're
in there like, oh are we because y'all talking about
sci fi. But we'll get to that after these misses

(24:22):
and we are back you guys, we're still doing actually
you Googles, guys and Googles, and please please, I don't
know if I want you to keep this or not.
We are back continuing on with our first episode in
sp October. We are talking about the Halloween franchise. Loo say,
I wanted to know, is there anything that we missed

(24:44):
that you feel like we need to cover? Um. I
wanted to go back to when if he was reading
that quote from John Carpenter where he talked about trying
to create a fun house vibe, because I feel like
that absolutely comes through in the climax of the film
when Laurie Strode played by Jamie Lee curtis Is walks
into the upstairs bedroom and sees her friend Annie dead
and like laid out on with like Judith's grave stone,

(25:07):
which I love that Mike Myers was just like trolling
around Haddenfield with a giant graystone under his arm, right
like a whole as stone granite. Yeah so um. And
also it's just like I've been knocked up on thor
zine for fifteen years, but I can drive a car
perfectly well they talked about. I'm so glad that they
talked about that because I was like, okay that that

(25:27):
continuity would have bothered me. It drives me crazy, like
how could he drive he checks every movie, and it's
like he's been in the mental institutions he was five,
so he like not only can do that, but it
has like these elaborate, like beautifully like set up on
the house, like next to his kills where he's like,
all right, Annie's gonna go here, and then I'm gonna
put the boyfriend's gonna swing down from the ceiling and

(25:49):
then I'm going to have this door creak open. And
I think it is. And then that's the one thing
they keep throughout every single movie, despite the timeline is
changing and the theories changing, they always have these kills
displayed in this like over the top kind of comedic way.
And I love that. One aspect to Michael Myers is

(26:10):
just that he's like very creative with how people die. Yeah,
Like he purposely that does that in every film, and
it's it's strange to me. That's the thing that sticks
out right. I will say the scene in the Car
got me. I was like, even though I've seen it,
you know, and I love that. I love where she
goes to the car, um she checks its locks, she
goes back and it's unlocked because they build it up

(26:30):
so many times. Do you think he's going to get
her in the laundry rail, right, And there's like several
times you think someone's going to be gotten and they
do a good job of subverting rights. I've i read
some pretty good video essays on horrors and how they
do that just with the soundtrack alone, and how they
play with our emotions by playing certain tracks that lead

(26:52):
us to believe that we're anticipating something that happen, only
for it to stop and lead to nothing, and then
that jumps a sting that gets us every time. And
it's so interesting because it's like, yeah, we are trained
to be triggered by certain sounds and music we as
movie goers, and the way that you know that's artfully

(27:14):
played with, especially in horror, is actually really interesting and cool. Yeah,
And it's also like when you are in a haunted house,
or when you're maybe walking home late at night, or
you're just in a spooky situation and you're like, is
something going to happen? Isn't something going to happen? And
having that whole feeling while you're watching it feels like
you're there because everyone's walked through the huse and then

(27:34):
like is that annoys or is it an annoying when
I love PJ Souls. That's another thing I have to
say about real quick p J Souls is Linda I
think is such a delight. She's in another one of
my favorite movies, Rock and Roll, High School with the Ramans,
and I love like she just had a look. She
was like always wearing pigtails, and she's like, it doesn't
matter what movie I'm in, I'm wearing pigtails. I think
that's a real fun demand to me. She said in

(27:57):
an interview that she was the only one that when
she did her line, it was mainly that she she
was saying totally, And she said John Carpenter was like,
you were the only one that said it. How I
hear it like in my head and then and then
and she actually said it like I think five or
six times, like in the film, if you look back
at it when she answers the phone or she'd be
like totally. Uh yeah, So that was really funny. Yeah,

(28:19):
she's a really funny character. And I like when Michael
Myers like he tries to be her, like pretends to
be her boyfriend. I love that so much. And she's
just like you see something you like and she's like
flirting and goofing off, and like it's one of those
things where it happens a lot in these movies where
like the character thinks that Michael Myers is her boyfriend.

(28:40):
It keeps happening several times. In the second one, a
character thinks that he's her boyfriend and she licks his
hand for a while, and it's just like I it
never stops being a little funny. And also like, oh god, dummy,
come on. Moving differently, there's a different smell, like you
just hook dub you already forgot? Do you know this

(29:03):
guy or not? Like yeah, So, so Halloween came out
in nineteen seventy eight, came out October ninety eight. That's
solid Halloween weekend. Moving on to Halloween too, Yeah, alright,
Halloween too. Oh man, I this is I feel like
it was still creepy, but it definitely we're in the

(29:26):
zone where it starts. Oh, I forgot to say we
in Halloween one. So the film ends with Michael Myers
being shot six times and then he disappear. Yeah, he
hits the ground and you're like, cool, he's dead. And
then when when I saw he was going, I was
like cool, he's a superhero. Yeah yeah, true, true, true,
But that was like John Carpenter's things. He wanted him

(29:48):
to be like a supernatural. Yeah. I mean he clearly
is doesn't have human DNA. And then after that, every
single one is like, no, he is a real guy,
and here's a bunch of reasons. Here's his family. Okay,
he goes to an office every day, he's a real man. Yeah.
So so then, yeah, I guess in this one we

(30:09):
find out that Lori is actually Michael's sister and she
was given up for a don't understand. I don't know
if I like this part. Well, this is what happens
when oftentimes when horror movies get a sequel, like I
find that like they have a solid cohesive story in
the fourth the first one, And I think what makes
a lot of horror movies great is that there isn't
much to the story. You leave a lot to the

(30:30):
imagination that the thing is mysterious. Like that's what was
so funny to take another step out of horror. But
to something similar was when Godzilla came out and everyone
was like, I didn't like it, the new Godzilla, not
the one that had p Did he do the Stairway
to Heaven remix, even though that slaps I don't know
what anybody says. I'll never forget. Like I was standing

(30:55):
up bobbing in front of TV when he was doing
his Mad TV performance. Yeah ATLA but the new one
Brian Cranston. A lot of people were like, well, we
didn't know where he came from, and I was like, yeah,
that's Kaiju movies. Like, that's just all Kaiju movies. You
don't know where it. It's just a giant monster that
came out of nowhere. Yeah, exactly why do you need

(31:18):
to know the So Godzilla comes from the race of
godzillions and you know he got here. Uh No, he's
just we don't know where he came from. Because that
is in a weird way. Really, you don't know always
know where your problems come from. You don't always know
where when how disaster is gonna strike, you just need
to deal with it. And when you're dealing with it,

(31:39):
you don't care where it came from. You just wanted
to stop and then after that maybe figure out some
of the back story. I think that's why people like
things wrapped up though in film, because they're like the
rest of my life is insane to comfort. Let me
get this, that's very true. That's actually a really good point.
But so when you do have that kind of story
where it's this mysteriousness around it, then in the second

(32:00):
one to kind of even I feel like, sometimes justify
a sequel, you do have to round out the story
around the character. What is his motive of still still going?
And uh, and I guess the motive is somehow, even
though it's never talked about in the first movie, he
is his sister. I feel like that's the first thing

(32:21):
the psychiatrists should have brought up. But wait, but they
might undo the movie taking place after the first movie,
so it's why they race. They've erased all of it.
They've they've Dragonball, dragon Ball, superd It. They erased all
the films, so, which is kind of cool. And John
Carpenter's psyched about it because he didn't want to make
a sequel like he was. He wrote Halloween too, but

(32:43):
he didn't want to although it ended up getting a
two million dollar budgets, so a huge, huge jut from
the three hundred thousands, so I think it was like
the money was there, he was going to write it.
He and Debor Hill still produced it. Yeah, but um,
he wasn't into it. He felt like the story had
been told already. I mean, if we want to talk
about something current, just take another tangent. What do you
think about this child's play reboot that the creator is

(33:07):
mad about? Oh, the creator is mad about because here's
the thing. So the creator is mad because I guess
he's not involved, which happens in movies when you don't
really own your I P because uh. But the main
thing is that like a lot of people are like
they're rebooting it when the series is still alive and ongoing.

(33:28):
But I think the last movie came out two thousand
and fourteen. I was like, you don't get to use
that excuse when it's been four years, right. Also, the
Chucky movies are just like every other thing for all
the other slasher movies from the eighties, Like, yeah, you
could say Nightmare in the Street is ongoing, but it's done.
But I guess, you know, you know, I wanna get

(33:49):
my mouth right. I want to make sure I'm not
talking out my my behind because if it is in
production the then it is ongoing, you know. So yeah,
so are these thing that they're going to completely like
brand new remake or so. So this is the last
note on it based on Wikipedia. Uh so. In October
two thousand seven, Don Mancini, who was the one thrown

(34:11):
shade on Twitter about the new one, expressed an interest
in having Glenn Glenda from Seed of Chucky return in
a future film. Most references to the character had been
cut from Cult of Chucky. In February of two thousand
and eighteen, it was announced that a child's play television
series is in the works with involvement from Mancini and
producer David Krishner, and is set to be a continuation

(34:34):
of the film story arc. Mancini also stated that as
well as the series, feature films will still continue. So
it seems like it's been a lot of promises, um
and uh, it's in the works, but in Hollywood lots
of times. In the works means we're out pitching it
and seeing if anyone's gonna pick it. Uh. You know,

(34:56):
you know, as a career, I'm not going to be
like the corporation that bought your thing totally owns the
right to do whatever it wants. Because no, everyone would
hate that. I would hate that. But It's like I
find that in this industry, a lot of people will
work in the industry and then they know how shady

(35:17):
it can be, and then when it doesn't go your way,
like you're just acting like what, how is this happens?
Like you know what happened? You know that you probably
sold that I p You know that they were going
to do that. You They probably called you when you
start started talking about that you had a TV show
in the works, being like we're gonna do a thing,
We're and there you were probably like I But also

(35:38):
they probably didn't call them and just did it, but
they do own it. Uh, I don't know. I think
Also I think I'm only caping for it because of
who got announced in the reboot. Yeah, because if it
was anyone else, I'd be on dance eye, but it was.
But yeah, then everyone hates the new Chucky Doll because
it's kind of like cute. I actually like that it's

(36:00):
cute because that's kind of like like the one thing
that makes someone said it used face tune and that
made me laugh a lot. But me, it's like that's
the first one was creepy before it even was possessed. Yeah,
and then like now it just is a joke, like
Chucky's a like how he looks now is a joke
to me, and all the recent ones, apparently the newer ones, Okay,

(36:22):
there it is so it Aubrey Plaza, Bryan Tyree Henry.
So that's kind of why I uh, I was like,
I was like, I'm in I'm willing to give this
bad boy a chance. Those are two actors I'd love
to see in the mix. But it does suck the
way it happens. And of course we all know how

(36:43):
horror fans can be. I don't think it might uh
live as well because horror fans they're strong, they're mighty,
and they're loyal franchise too. I get a little like,
I feel like it lives. I mean, I'm only saying
I guess because maybe Child's Play is not my favorite
as far as like, because I'm so psyched on this
new Halloween movie. So I don't want to like, um,

(37:04):
you know, say the opposite thing, but I wouldn't be great.
There's a new franchise, a new thing happening. Like I
was here for the Conjuring, but the last the nun
was Wolf. Yeah, everyone said Wolf. I think It still
made a good amount of money too, though, right, Oh yeah,
because it's like we're so hard up for franchises, Like
in the eighties you had Halloween and Nightmare on Elm
Street and Child's Play in Front and um and the

(37:26):
nineties all that kept you know, when we were born,
we were born into these franchises, and now it's like
very nebulous, Like if you weren't going to watch people's
skin get picked off in the Saw movies and like,
what did you have? Yeah, so Halloween to y'all, moving on,
it's probably gonna happen all the time. On spook Tober,
We're just going to talk horror movies and came out

(37:48):
October n one, Like you were saying, it was Michael's
other sister, Lori, who was Jamie Lee Curtis and the
original reprised her role. She also needs to die now. Um,
so is that his main? I just like, because you've
seen all of them, is that his What is his motive? Um?
I think they're well that's an interesting thing to say. So, um,

(38:11):
for the first several of them, until you get a
Curse of Michael Myers, the motive is just to like
kill every living person. Does he have a something for
young people because in the original he's just killing you. Well,
he did kill a guy that was old, remember the
um worker. Yeah at the beginning, Yeah yeah, yeah, he

(38:31):
was going in like the cornfield ish area. Yeah, he
had to kill that guy to get his jump. Once
he had that look down, then he was like he
had to keep I think that's very funny about Michael Myers.
He continuously finds this mask and the jumpsuit. He breaks
out of an in mental institution every time, like where
is he getting He's really just say real quick. His mask,
which the original actor like they had molded his face

(38:53):
and then they bleached it a sense or no, yeah,
they bleached it and then they had white in it,
and they were like it looked so scary that we knew,
like this had to be the mask that they used.
Yeah it was William shatner Halloween mask. Wait was it?
That's how it started. Yeah, it got like a cheap
Halloween mask from a drug store because I'm like, no budgets,
and then and molded it, yeah, to his face. That

(39:16):
was only um in the first two and then after
that they start looking real weird. Like the fourth movie,
the mask is so bad. I hate the way the
mask looks. And so what are the final Like, is
there anything else we need to mention for Halloween too?
Oh yeah, I want to mention how they shot a
kid in this movie. The cops blast a kid in
the movie. Uh, he blows up, he's set on fire. Yeah,

(39:41):
I remember as a as a kid that scene was
like that scene was probably what got me in a
comedy because it was such I laughed so hard at
it and it's just such a dark moment when you
really like unpack it. But it was so funny that
they were so sure that this was Michael Martin, that
this dude in a man ask has to do it

(40:03):
and uh. And then they just moved on with their
life after, like there was no it was just done.
They're like, oh, we accidentally lit this kid. It's never
discussed again. Yes, see you all later. And and Dr
Loomis continues to be like the crazy man. Why won't
he stop shouting? And he's like, it's not the guy. Also,
it's like the Boston Public of of movies, because you

(40:24):
remember Boston Public when it was like these are teachers,
not cops, this is a psychiatrist. Why are you chasing
down this man? This is way out of your pay grade.
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do
to Michael Myers? He tries to do a lot of things. Yeah,
he tries and who does though? All the cops get
killed over and over. Yes, somehow the psychiatrist though, he

(40:45):
got that thing. So at the end Michael is engulfed
in flames. He stumbles out of the room and before
finally falling dead. But he's not dead right, well, you
think he's dead. And then when they go to do
UM season of the Witch, which is the third one,
the idea is that from then on it's going to
be in an UM anthology series like American Horror Story.

(41:06):
So it was like, fine, the first tour about Michael Myers,
they're gonna be Halloween movies that come out every year.
They'll be about different spooky things, so like the next
year is about these haunted masks, and then the year
after it was gonna be something else. But then everyone
lost their collective minds over the fact that Michael Myers
wasn't wasn't he wasn't in it, and they were just like,
oh no, it's like such a bomb that then they
had to come up with like, well, he was burned badly,

(41:30):
but he lived, so that's how they come back with
how it happened. But he seems dead, like it's it's
played like he's dead. It's not like the first one
where he disappears. Yeah, So we have Halloween three season
of the which it came out October twenty two, and
just what are like three main bullet points people need

(41:50):
to know for this film? Silver Shamrock, the Creepy Corporation
has this devious plan to basically blow up kids heads.
And they i these masks and they watched like the
specific Shamrock programming the night of Halloween. So the idea
is that there's three different mass There's a skeleton, the pumpkin,
the witch, and like everyone buys them. It's basically a

(42:11):
commentary on consumers on the rampant marketing of Halloween. So
the ideas like kids will have these masks, I'll watch
the tie in television show and then their brains will
melt into spiders and sneaks and creepy crawleys. So was
this corporation owned by witches? Uh No? Just like a
bad dude, alright, dr and on that note, we have

(42:33):
Halloween four, Return of your Boy Michael Mins. That's that's
the version you get if you get my bootleg version,
but normally it's called Halloween four Returned of Michael Myers
and that dropped October. I was a few months old.
I was, I was, I was like, yea, let me
sing as I assume. Um. But yeah, So apparently Laurie

(42:55):
died but she has a daughter, and while being transferred
back to Smith's Grove, Michael awakens a pon hearing that
Laurie Strode, who died in a car accident has a daughter.
Now that's very funny scene because he's like all wrapped
in bandages. I can't see anything. He's strapped to a gurney.
He hasn't moved in the first five minutes. And then
the two E. M. T s are like in the
back being like, oh, yeah, Laurie died in a car accident,

(43:17):
but her daughter is still in hand and yeah, and
then his hands are like crack and his knuckles open
up and then he's just like slams his hand into
like the one guy's face and you think his fingers
would go into his eyes, but instead his finger goes
into his forehead, just into it like he had a bait,
like he had the soft spot like a baby. Ye. Also,

(43:39):
I love that these e m s are just talking
about other accidents, like like this is just a regular person,
Laurie struggle. They're like, yeah, he died in a car
accident for some reason, I'm bringing it up right here
next to this body. Yeah. They love talking about all
the lore. It's one of the things I actually like
about the series is that everybody in it treats it
like it's an have been legend and they're like, have

(44:01):
you heard of Michael Myers? And they all know these
different you know, pieces of information that's being shared. It
just the right time. Yeah. Um. But yeah, her daughter so,
which is crazy because it's like she had her daughter
when she was right after the Halloween movies, because her
daughter is like eight, I think or something and Jimmie
Lloyd played by Danielle Harris. So yeah, it comes out

(44:23):
like ten years after the first one. So the idea
is that she basically like highly traumatized, had this child
died in a car accident. Now this child is with
like another family. Yeah, Laurie's had a really rough Um.
The girl who plays Jamie is great. I love that
her name is Jamie. I wonder if that's a connection
to Jamie Leek. I think it is right for sure. Um,

(44:43):
Dannie Harris is great. She goes on to be in
the original Rosanne Um. Before we knew what a nut
case she was, she was in a couple of others.
So she was in Halloween four and then she was
also in Yeah, in two thousand sevens Halloween remake UM
and its sequel, but as Annie Brackett. Interesting, Yeah, she

(45:04):
didn't reprise. I think that was just a nod to
this because so four or five and six are turned
into a different timeline, and then by the time that
h TWOO comes around, it ignores four through six and
acts like it's picking up after two. So the series
has a lot of memory issues where it's like, not
this one, but this one, not this one with this one,
and the one continues that it's just being like, screw all, y'all,

(45:28):
we're going back from the beginning. Does that mean the
new one is also ret counting H two oh? Or
is it happening after two before h two oh? Everything
everything except the first Halloween. But I actually, yeah, we'll
get to h two O. I love that one. I
think that's like one of the best ones in the
whole series. But um, the new storyline for the fourth
one is that Lori's dead. There's this new um daughter

(45:49):
and she has this special like metaphysical connection to Michael
Myers and they do this thing. It's kind of like
the Shining or like Harry Potter and Voltimore, where like
she can tell when he's going to kill Yeah, that
sounds like gray and um, sorry, I had to Kylo.

(46:10):
Okay I got to see each other and he was
in a towel for some reason. They just did that
for the fans. That's when you get they basically just
introduced that storyline in the fourth one, and then it
ends for a lot of talk about ending we've been
talking about okay, um, and then it ends with like
she's really goes through the wringer and then she ends up. Um,

(46:33):
she's like touching Michael at the end when they think
he's dead again. And so the idea is that like
some of his rage got into her, and so she
goes back to her home and then kills her foster
mother the same way. She's like wearing the clown costume,
she got some scissors, she kills her foster mother, and
then um Dr Loomis is like, you know, like she
is him not again? Yeah, she tries to kill her,

(46:56):
and that's when the cops are like, you're done now,
Like we like when when they shot a kid, but
this kid, we're not going to let you get another kid.
Uh So, yeah, we got about seven more. This is
number four. So that's how that one ends, is that
she's killed and now it's like is she Michael Myers?
But then the fifth one starts and it's not that bad.

(47:18):
Well let's talk about that fifth one. After these messages,
we are back. We need some October um music. Yeah,
the Twilight No, so we are talking about Halloween five,

(47:40):
the Revenge of Michael Myers. Are they not all the revenge?
He had to return? Okay? Okay, so the dropped October nine.
That's that's back to back. The last one came out,
so now you got n nine. So they came out
back to back because okay, everyone hated the third one, right,
so then the fourth one comes up and it was
a huge success. Everyone was like yeah, we sorry, We're sorry,

(48:04):
We're trying to People were like pumped on Daniel Harris.
They're like, yes, we love this, like, let's get more
of this. So then everybody was ready, so they knew
they had to make the next one come out really quickly.
So she returns for the fifth one, and um, she
has this physical connection. Weirdly, no one is that upset

(48:24):
with her that she murdered her foster mother, like your
foster sister is very chill and friendly and not traumatized,
even though she also went through this terrible thing. Um.
But now little Jamie is mute because she's so scared
that she lost her voice, and very sweaty, the most
sweaty for the entire movie. Um. And she knows when

(48:45):
Michael's killing and so Dr Loomis is with her a lot,
and together they become like this like um, team of
like this is about to happen. We'll call you when
this happens. No one believes Jamie. They're like, she's a
little girl who's been through a lot and it's only
Dr Lomis Is time. He's like, no, she knows. She
has Michael has poor old man, Oh yeah, and he

(49:05):
says his face is all scarred because he's been through
a fire like he's really gone through the ringer at
this point. Um no, I love it. In every film
to no one believes him. He always has to start
the beginning of the film being like Michael is coming bad. Yeah. So,
so the film ends with Michael being taken into police

(49:25):
custody only to be broken out of jail by a
mysterious stranger all dressed in black. Yeah, this is this
was a real bad choice. They actually um thought that
the movie needed like a little more jazz, so they
did a bunch of shoots at the very end, like
pick up scenes of like a guy dressed all in black,
and then went back and edited into the movie in
random parts. And then we're like, I don't know what

(49:48):
this means. We'll figure it out in the next movie,
which is kind of how all of them play at
this point, is like we'll just write it later. And
so All the Man and Black Stuff is um a
bummer and kind of tarnishes the of the fifth and
the fourth one because then it takes us to the
Curse of Michael Myers, which I think is one of
the worst of all of them, except for that it
has Paul read the same thing. I know. Okay, So Halloween.

(50:11):
Moving on Halloween, the Curse of Michael Myers drop September
twenty nine. The Jailbreaker finds Jamie and her new son.
Michael kills Jamie, but it's not the same actress, and
so you don't really realize it's no, it's because she's
older and like but they don't make any effort to
make her look the same. The beginning of the Curse

(50:32):
of Michael Myers is outrageously confusing. I've probably seen it
fifteen times, and every time I'm like, but wait, why
It's needlessly confused. So it's revealed that Michael is driven
by the Curse of Thorn, which forces a person to
kill their entire family in order to save all of civilization.
So that's what I was talking about earlier when you're like,
why the family? So this is that, Like several episodes

(50:54):
in their like yell what but actually, Dan Kane just
edit in the John what Danny says that, and then
you can leave this part in just in case people
are confused. There's a lot of runes in this movie.
I love it so so Paul read. So Michael kills
Jamie and continues searching for her baby. Everyone's just procreating. Uh,

(51:17):
nobody is traumatized enough to not give her I mean
just kind of crazy to me. Like anyways, the pain away. Yeah,
the infant is found by Tommy Doyle and I love
that name. Yeah, it's such a perfect, like little dork name.
And isn't it seems like Paul Red you are upon

(51:38):
Tommy Doyle in another life. Well, and Tommy Doyle then
is the little boy in the first Halloween. Yes, and
he's watching the thing babysitting. God, this is so convoluted.
They don't look the same. They did not cast based
on similarity. Off you know what this does kind of
people are going to get mad. I was saying, this
doesn't remind me of Star Wars because it's so in

(52:00):
to is that it's like all the same like, but
then so and so his dad and his like it's
like the improv game. You say a sentence and then
the next person says a sentence, and then the next
person says a sentence. That's basically how I think the
Curse of Michael Myers. They're keeping it so within the family,
so like and then his neighbor. It's like these people
could have moved on with their lives and moved into

(52:20):
different places, but instead they're all just staying same bubble.
It's and everyone's so scared of the Myers House, but
everyone continues to live in and around it. Yeah. Well
in the original one, nobody lived in it, which I
thought was weird, like, okay, somebody was one person was murdered,
like you know, property value is still good? Yeah, I

(52:41):
mean for real though, Yeah, it was the eighties of
boom time. Um yeah, it's honestly, I think it's what
the Halloween movies have going for them. A lot of
people complain that Michael Myers isn't an interesting bad guy,
but that aside, I actually think the other characters is
what makes it interesting. And like the weaving in and
out and continue newing characters like me or in elm

(53:02):
Street doesn't really continue characters like that probably their teeth,
like certainly doesn't. So I like that. It's kind of
incestuous in that way. It keeps the whole story of
Haddenfield going. It really does. And so Michael Miller, Michael
Myers isn't like, you know, cracking silly jokes like Freddy
Krueger is. But like I don't watch the Halloween movies
for Mike Myers as much as like the fun theories

(53:25):
and like the wiggling in and out of story that
is the hadden Field universe. Also, I feel like, you
know you have had build universe. I love it, and
you're talking about like it's like it's a d C
e U. But you have someone like Michael Myers who
like I like that he was called the Shape because
that's kind of how I feel about him. He's just this,

(53:47):
this event, this being so yeah, he is like unimportant
and I feel like his design is that way. His
face is blank, he's wearing a jumpsuit. There is nothing
to be like, Oh he's he's the scary guy. Where
are like? Yeah, characters like Freddy Krueger are all personality,
That's why they have so many one liners. But Michael

(54:08):
Myers is like someone you can actually see coming to you,
and they have to add so much personality around Freddy
Krueger because they want everyone to forget that he was
a pedophile exactly. That's a very good point because then
he later becomes a hero, which is like, wait, why
are you cheering for him? I think this when series
move away from you identifying with the victims, and then

(54:29):
you're identifying with the killer. Like that's a problem in horror,
Like horror is supposed to not supposed to. But I
think where is its best when I explores the ills
of society and like our deepest fears. When you start
identifying with like a psychopath, Like what what are you?
What's the point of this film anymore? You know, just
to get you excited about psychos um So, the end

(54:49):
of this is Michael is finally subdued by Tommy, who
injects him with large quantities of tranquilizers inside the Smith's
Grove sanitary. I mean, now that I love that they're
just throwing things in here, tranquilizers, the matter. But I
think it's nice for Tommy that he gets to kill well,
you know, he's never dead, but he's never That's good
for Tommy. He worked really hard to kill Michael, and

(55:09):
I think it's nice, good for you, Paul red um
So Halloween h two. Oh, then twenty years later, they
get Jamie Lee Curtis back and they just that a
big deal, right, Yeah, it was a huge deal. It
was really big, and they just erased everything. So this
is like the way they're going to do it again. Yeah,
they kept doing it exactly, so they're like, Okay, nothing happened.

(55:30):
They talk about it. They're like, no one's heard from
Michael since that night in the hospital. And they say
it a couple different times throughout the movie, which night
in the hospital like Halloween to So this one does
act as if it goes so everything that Jamie Curtis
has done, she's been around for that, and now she
changed her identy. They do say that she was in
a car accident. Does she have a bab does she

(55:50):
have a kid? They never talked about that, but in
this one, Josh Hartnett forty Days and forty Nights, he
is her kid, and he is a nager at this
prep school that now she's the president of and she's
changed her name so that Michael can't find her. And
they are even northern California. But like, Michelle Williams is
in it, Yeah, Michelle Williams is in it. Um Joseph

(56:12):
Gordon Levitt is in it in the beginning and then
he has a Drew Barrymore esque murder. But I think
this was his first movie. I think this was either
right before. I think this was either right before right
after Ten Things I Hate about You. So I don't
know if he was a big enough name to get
people into the theater. Where was this on the Third
Rock from the Sun? I know right well this dropped
August seven, so it's like a third Rock from the

(56:34):
Sun and then this and then ten Things I think. Um,
So like Josh Hartnett's like, I want to get out
and I want to explore things. Don't keep me here
at school, and Mom's like, don't you understand I've been
through so much? And he doesn't like that. So he's like,
me and my friends are going to do a fun
thing and lie to you about it. Um. And then that,
of course that goes terribly. Michael just winds up in

(56:55):
California because it's Halloween and he's like, I don't know.
He figures out that she's there and me and then
just like kills a ton of teenagers, and um, Jamie
Lee Curtis is really awful boyfriend. He pretends that he's nice.
He's like a woke therapist. He's like, just tell me
who you are, tell me about your background. I'm here
for you. And then she does and then he's like, Okay,

(57:15):
calm down, everything's fine. It's very patronizing. And then as
soon as Michael Myers comes back, even though she's been
telling him it's going to happen, and he's like, it's fine,
don't be dramatic. Michael Myers comes back, the therapist freaks
out and immediately shoots ll L cool J, just like
you know who the real threat is? This one black guy?
Oh my lord, but does no, no, no, not him,

(57:40):
does the therapiste. The best part about this scene is
that LLL cool J. So he shoots him immediately, and
then Michael Myers comes around the corner. He's like, O,
NOI shot the wrong person obviously, and then Michael Myers
gouts him and so I think he really doing a
big service in that one, because that guy sucked um.
And then Jamie he kills everybody except for Josh Hartnett

(58:06):
that phase. He actually I don't know. I don't know
how old he was back then, so I don't know
if that's the thing, but I'm just thinking of the Josh. Yeah, okay, great.
I was like, I didn't really see this movie, but
I just remember Josh Hartnett from my teen years. So
this was great because it's got like a lot of
teen faces. It's very referential, it's funny, it's like with it,
and it's extremely nineties. It's so nineties that it's very ninety.

(58:28):
Creed even plays as the credit song, oh my God,
can you tek me ha? It's a weird choice, right
or that one the one that they play, you know,
but don't they all sound like that? Moving on to Resurrection, Wait,
can I say one more thing? This is important? So
h two of the very end of it is so

(58:49):
good because like Lori is like, it's just me and
you and she's going to take Michael murder him. So
like at the very end, it's like just her and
Michael Mano Amano and she has like a miss Shetty
or something and just like decapitates him and his head
goes flying. And so it's such a great enname because
Lorie is the final girl and she's like her whole

(59:10):
life has been traumatized, everyone around just been murdered, and
she gets to kill the big bad Like that's a
good thing. It's very exciting, and it should have ended there,
like that should have been the end of the series.
And so it was a huge mistake. Four years later
then when they came out with Because it's not only
did like she not get that killed? But this movie
does not hold a candle to h two oh or

(59:31):
that I was gonna say. So it turns out that
wasn't Michael that she killed. God, she Michael switched um
costumes with an e m T and put this mask
on the e MP. So then Gloria ends up decapitating
an e m She doesn't deserve that. Also, doesn't that
mean that the e M T was trying to kill
Laurie for some reason? Yeah? Really if you're real shaky um.

(59:54):
So she can't deal with the fact that she killed
an innocent man. She's in the mental hospital, but she's
kind of just like biding her time there and she's
not taking the medication. She's like fake taking it and
everyone thinks she's mute too, and then she's like, no,
I'm planning my revenge. Oh, Sarah Connor, Yes, exactly. It's
very similar to that. Although, so this movie sucks for

(01:00:15):
a lot of reasons, and it has some fun aspects
as well, but the biggest problem with it is then
Laurie does get to face off against Michael Myers again,
but then he like tricks her and uses her like
moment of weakness because she's worried about killing the wrong
guy again, so she tries to unmask him when he's
kind of like, you know, hanging upside down. She's got
him snared in a trap. She's almost going to kill him,

(01:00:35):
but then she's scared that she's going to kill the
wrong guy, so she goes to reach for the mask
and then he pulls her over and throws her down
a building, so he kills her, which is like such bullshit.
Why after all this time does he get to kill her.
It's heartbreaking. I think it's legitimately sad in a terrible movie.
I do remember she does die this and I was like,
what after all of that, that's her death? And then
that's not that's like the first ten or fifteen minutes

(01:00:57):
of the movie. That's not even the focus of the films,
like the opening, and then it turns into a reality
television show, Oh my God, which is really fun because
it's two thousand and two, so they're like, hey, it's
the Internet, and they're showing that time of the Internet
where things changed so quickly that it was like very
cool at the time. And then immediately dated. Yeah, and
Busta and Tara are there. Yeah. I think that's the

(01:01:19):
best part, is bus a bus being there. People hated,
they consider it to be the worst movie, but in
rewatching it, I will say, Um, even though the Lori
Strode stuff is total garbage, I think it's fun to
be taken back to a very specific time in tech history.
Like it's kind of a delight. It's very silly, especially
like when you see things like how much things change

(01:01:39):
in the sense that like, oh, we had no idea
this was going to happen, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly,
all right, And then after that we get to uh
the other movies, which is Queen two thousand seven remade
by Rob Zombie, um who you know, everyone was expecting
it to be great because everyone likes the Devil rejects,

(01:02:00):
you know me, and I really like his style. I
feel like he's like nihilistic and mean spirited, and that's
just not what I'm into horror for um, totally fine
if other people like it, but it just doesn't get
me happy or excited. And so um they were fine.
I mean I liked them because they really get into

(01:02:21):
Michael's backstory and essentially just said he's from this like sad,
abusive household. So that's the whole like, this is why
he kills um, and like, so I think the backstory
is interesting if you're going to go in that direction.
A lot of people hated that there was backstory, so
and then it's just like really intense kills. It was
on at a restaurant one time. I was eating dinner

(01:02:42):
and somebody had on AMC like thirty days before or
it was around Halloween, and before that was something like Beetlejuice,
but then it was like going to be the ten
o'clock hour. It's like a small, like family restaurant, and
then this Halloween came on and I knew how gory
it was. And there there's like a family sitting at
the next table over and I'm like, oh no, and

(01:03:04):
there's just like throat slitting, gashing, like blood everywhere, and
I've watched this whole family's eyes go so wide, like
calling the wages over, I'm like, can you turn off
the TV? It's extremely violent and traumatizing these children. That's
so funny because yeah, this is right around this is
two thousand and seven, which is right around when Saw
came out, like we said, tour and instead of making

(01:03:26):
because you know, like we were saying in Halloween one,
it was a lot left to the imagination because we
could do that. Uh. And now we're at the point
where it's like, you gotta show it because it's good. Yeah,
people want more. There's a blood lust, yeah yeah, yeah.
And remember in the original one they didn't really have
blood yeah and so um okay, so that was which

(01:03:47):
one was. So now we got Halloween to the second
remake where Michael Lorie have shared visions of their mother Deborah. Uh,
and Michael tries to kill Lori but dies in the process.
Lorie is Michael question Mark. This dropped August twenty nine
of two thousand and nine. Yeah, the first one came

(01:04:07):
out in August too, Like why can't you get the
rights to October? Like I don't understand. You know. It
was interesting they started to move horror stuff to being
more late summer. I guess it would have more time
in the box office if it did well. Yeah. Yeah,
it was kind of fascinating if you look back at
the original ones that dropped the weekend of Halloween, because
that really doesn't make sense because typically you're going to you're, well, yeah, yeah,

(01:04:30):
November is Christmas for box office, Like a lot of
Christmas movies drop in November to give you some time.
So and then also like the last Halloween movie to
drop during Halloween season technically I'll just say October because
I feel like we're in September, We're all still Halloween ready.
Was Halloween five, which dropped October, which still was a

(01:04:53):
departure from its twentie release dates. Then Curse of Michael
Myers was the twenty nine of September. Then we moved
to August for h two. Oh, then we move all
the way up to do uh July for July twelve
for Resurrection, and then we're like, oh, that was too far.
And then Rob Zombie was August thirty one, and then
with Halloween to the second remake August twenty nine. But yeah,

(01:05:16):
so and then we have have you seen the new
one yet or just herthy? Because like, now not how yet?
I would love to have gotten that really viewing I got, well,
I know a lot of film review folks who saw
it at Tiff and they really really enjoyed it. I
mean the trailer. I watched it as soon as it
came out. I was just like immediately rewatched it a

(01:05:38):
couple of times because like it's just so creepy and
visually very exciting. I love I think everybody loves that
checkerboard floor. Yeah, visual, and then there's like a part
where he drops teeth on the floor that just seems horrifying. Yeah,
I'm very very excited about. I think the poster is
really scary too. It's just like his face, you know,
from the high angle, and that goes back to what
we were talking about earlier. How the first one where

(01:05:58):
he feels like he's always looming of are you and
they immediately create that just in the poster. I think
that's very cool. So as a horror fan, you were
like on it as soon as I was skeptical until
I watched the trailer, like when they started talking about
this last year. And I don't know why I'm giving
Danny McBride a hard time, because it's like I love
him comedian comedically, and we're both comedians, and like I

(01:06:19):
love horror, and I think there's a strong connection between
comedy and horror. M and then but as soon as
he said he was going to do it, I was like,
once you're in qualification. Yeah, Like I was just like,
I don't think this is going to be any good. Yeah,
but when John Carpenter came on board, I was like, Okay,
I guess if he's okay, he's if he's digging it. Yeah,
I get that, you know, because especially says John Carpenter

(01:06:41):
is still alive, You're like, well you need his blessing. Yeah.
And well it's like I love the first one so much.
I think it's one of the scariest movies ever. I
think it's so fun. It reminds me of my childhood
because especially all the movie the first few movies that
came out in the eighties, it looks like what I
remember Halloween looking like when I was a kid. So
they're like old time capsules, Like I'm going Little Time

(01:07:02):
machines are really nice. But um so I was like skeptical.
I'm like, does Michael Myers belong in two thousand and eighteen?
But with Jamie Lee Curtis on board too, like she
deserves it. It sucked that she got killed and I'm
excited that she's not dead anymore. Yeah, that was a
nice sad change. And also we have like some facts
about how it stacks up against other slashers. So like

(01:07:23):
the First Halloween made a gross of seventy million, the
first Nightmare on Elm Street had a gross of twenty
five million. First Friday for the First Friday thirteen had
a gross of fifty nine point seventy five million, So
it seems like, you know, out of the first renditions,
Halloween was king. But if we're going based on their
highest gross Halloween, the first Rob Zombie one had the

(01:07:47):
highest gross with eighty million. Maybe we'll break it with
a new one, but the highest is the Nightmare on
Elm Street reboot that happened in two thousand and ten,
which was a hundred and fifteen million, and the Freddie
versus Jason, which I think is a double. I don't
think it should count as their highest or whatever. Their

(01:08:08):
highest gross was a hundred fourteen millions, so I contributed
to that. I saw that one at a drive in. Yeah,
in my car, that's a nice way to see it.
It was. It was really fun and even that movie,
which is very silly in many parts it was creepy,
had a good time. Now. I think the only other
interesting thing to say is that this kicked off the
final Girl trope, which was like explored in like feminist

(01:08:29):
film criticism. Yeah, because this made you know, in the
next slasher films. It created a pattern where there's always
one strong woman was the one who was going to survive,
and oftentimes they had like a more gender um, non
gender conforming name, so like Lorie can be a guy's name,
or like um, Sydney and Scream can be a guy's name. Um.

(01:08:52):
But Halloween, Lori Stroud was like the one that kind
of kicked off that idea and started building the pattern
for the final Girl. The Final Girl is uh, it's
such an interesting trope because, yeah, it is wild because
on the one end, and you're like, oh cool, a
woman survives at the end, she defeats the killer. But
it's like, man, okay, well, especially when you start exploring that,

(01:09:15):
like why does she's the one who gets to live?
When they start it's nice that John Carpenter wasn't doing
it because she was virginal, but they definitely pick up
that pattern, and like by the thirteenth movies, it's like
one of the I love those movies are fun, but
one of the reasons that I think they're a little
annoying is that it's just each one or dumb teenagers
and they're like not that interesting and it's really either
that's just that they're having sex and doing drugs or

(01:09:36):
they're not having sex and doing drugs, and like that's
not like a fun way to decide who dies, because
like what killer is like really keeping track of like
your nightlife. Well, you know what's really funny is I
was going to say, that's also and I think it
was done in the same way that John Carpenter did
this one where it wasn't meant to be about that,
but it follows also does that? Is this just a

(01:09:57):
p s a to not have sex because I'm sex
the thing follows you and so But I don't think
that they actually meant, like I think it just teens
have sex and that's like an easy way for it
in an interesting way. Yeah. No, my mom like really
latched onto that and she was like, I think this
is a good message for why teenage you're not resist
I don't I think that's what they meant. I think

(01:10:17):
it's just the thing that everyone relates to, is like,
what's a relatable thing, Well, you're you have anybody has
sex for a sexuals I see you. Um, but I
just wanted to make a couple of short, little quick
facts before we close this out. And one is that
they shot in twenty The original Halloween shot in twenty days.
The script yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the script. It took

(01:10:37):
less than two weeks to write. So everyone get your
features finished. My god, I mean there's not a lot
of dialogue in it. When you think about it, it's
like teens interacting, but there's not like long soliloquies that
happened to all the other ones. Uh yeah, and that uh,
the house was actually abandoned when they shot, Like, that
house was really abandoned. Um, that house had to be located.

(01:11:00):
It's in South Pasadena. And what do you mean relocated, Well,
it was relocated. Um, it was going to be demolished,
but I think because of the success of the film,
they ended up relocating the house. Yeah yeah, yeah. So
that is Halloween. Everyone listening. Let us know. I guess
whenever you first remember watching it, and what your favorite

(01:11:23):
one is and what you are looking forward to with
the new one. I really I love Jamie Lee Curtis.
She's so right. Did you watch screen queens on? I
didn't watch all of it. Now she was very funny
and that they gave her a lot of great lines.
She girl, I love her from Freaky Friday, Like, she's
so good in that, I was good in everything as
I love that she's been rocking that haircut for a

(01:11:44):
long time. She was like, this is my look and
I'm not changing it and I respect that. Oh you
know what we see her at she always comes or
not always comes. But her son is super into anime,
and so and Iffy and I work with Funimation, and
so we'll go to the Fundimation premieres and she's there
with her son and they Caused play a lot. So
she will dress up with her son and they'll be

(01:12:05):
at the events like caused playing different characters. Then I forgot,
but he's he's yeah, he's a little bit younger than us.
I think, Um, I love that. What a great mom.
Oh yeah, she'll go all out and and wear different
like outfits and stuff and take pictures and she's super dope.
So yeah, it's another cool thing. Nice to hear. Um, Lucy,

(01:12:26):
where can everyone catch you? You can get me on
Instagram and Twitter at L t B A comedy. Those
are my initials, Lucy Tomlin Brenner. Yeah, and um, I
also host a storytelling show at the Lyric called Dead
the Whole Time, and it's stories based on urban legends.
So yeah, We've got one on October three, and we've

(01:12:47):
got one on October thirty one, So I'm excited to
tell scary stories on Halloween. Halloween. Um, I am at
Miss Danny Fernandez and all the socials. We have more
sp October episodes coming up for you as to definitely
tune in here for all your spooky nous. Prepared to
be spook. If you and I will both be at
New York Comic Con, I am hosting a panel on Friday.

(01:13:09):
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about it. And that is me and you know me.
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We're gonna have some fun playing games. I got my
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frequent streams. I'm streaming for those who are trying to

(01:13:31):
keep track, We're listening. I was like, I just tell
me when I streamed pretty much Monday, Wednesdays and Friday's Tuesdays,
Thursdays I am not streaming, usually out and trying to
do some comedy, and sometimes Saturdays and Sundays those are
more flexible. So come through, have fun and let's talk
and chat. Thank you so much, Stay spooky,

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