Episode 37: Miles Morales

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Oh right, welcome to nerd if a sent I am
your host, if you way, sitting across from me is
not Danny Fernandez, but actually, to the right of me,
my special guest co host today is a good friend
of ours. Ed Greer. How are you doing, hey, man?
If this is really cool to be here. I've listened

(00:30):
to you guys for a while, and you know, no
one can replace Danny. I'm just gonna occupy this space
and time. I like how you entered this as if
you're going to be a step parent. Like, look, I'm
not here to replace Danny. I'm just you know, I'm
just here for your dad. I just don't want instant
hate that it's not Danny, alright, and sitting across from

(00:55):
me this time is a good friend as well. Aaron Powell,
how are you doing. I'm good, man, doing good good.
You have done the most nerdy Prince crossovers I think
that I've seen ever. Dude, it's it's my thing now.
People will not not let me dress up as prints,
so yeah, I kind of have to. Even when I
try to do other stuff, they say, what are you

(01:16):
gonna do? Prince again? I'm like, I guess I grew
out this long beard so I would stop doing princes. Like,
now we're good, you can still do prints. Yeah, prince
had a beard at one point. I'm like, yeah, but
not the costume that I do. We don't care. Just
do princes and dance and that's all it is. Yeah,
I'm six I'm the tallest prince ever. I'm six one.

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And then I actually have like a little bit of
lift on the boots that I wear, so like, I'm
just like this humongous princes walking around in a giant
purple coat. You've probably seen me if you've been to
a comic convention. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna drop where
you can find both of y'all just at the same time. So, Edgarer,
you you do the screen shunkys, you know you you

(01:59):
you hop on the screen junkies, and you have your
own podcast as well. You want to tell us a
little bit about that. Um. Yeah, it's called nerd Goat Podcast,
and we've had you and Danny on, which are very
popular episodes. Dodka, but it's just a dive into people's
favorite fictional character, and that can be you know, we've

(02:20):
done Tarzan, We've done Conan, We've done characters from video games,
Spider Man, the Daredevil's this isn't that we've done Elaine
Benness from Seinfeld Coat, you know what I'm saying. So
it's it's not just you know, people who swing on
webs and bunch people do walls. It's it's certainly whatever
fictional character. And we find that when people come on

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and they really get a chance to just go nuts,
you know, you know, your significant other always here's your
dumb screed, whatever you like. It's it's our guest opportunity,
funny people like yourselves. And I usually I want to
I want to invite you on it. Right now. I
will definitely be no, no podcast. I'm shutting it down.
But honestly said Bargo. But anyway, yeah, so that's that's

(03:02):
what we do. Me and my man Ron Swallow, We
just we just let somebody vent on their favorite fictional
character and we kind of James lifting it up. Yeah, yeah, no,
I think it's a great concept and it was really
fun to be on. Uh, you know, Elaine isn't as
weird to me as someone whose favorite character is Tarzan.
Little Tarzan had stands like that. That was wow. Okay,

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And and sometimes We'll have people who will have like
they won't have this giant comprehensive like, oh I know
everything about this character, but they're like a certain iteration
of them, Like she liked the Johnny White Miller Swimming
Tarzan movies. Yeah, you know, from back in the days,
because the best back when she was like, you know,
her grandpa wau show him to her and stuff like that.
So we get to see why people connected with some
of these characters. Rather than just nerd out and standing

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out about the character and doing some roll call of
their feats or whatever, it ends up being a deep
dive into the personality of the person, which is I
think the special part about the show. It sounds like
you are qualify your resume stacks up to be a
co host and I'm gonna turnover to Aaron. And you know,
you have quite a few podcasts. I have to, I
have to, and I guess on a lot of others.

(04:06):
Um I did a couple of guest spots this week,
and I got a couple more later on my podcast, though, uh,
the two of them are. Aaron explains the universe, which
um it started off with just me giving dating advice
and like talking about like dating mishaps I've had in
the past two Now I talk more about like social issues, um,
things going on in the world just and I'll ramble

(04:27):
about a lot of other stuff too, but I always
bring it back to Daton somehow. My other podcast, which
is on hiatus until I find a different format for
I want to do video for It's called Stupid Movie Tuesday. Tuesday.
Stupid Movie Tuesday is when I watched a movie either
new or old, and I give my honest review on it.
The episode that a lot of people like is my

(04:47):
Suicide Squad one, And then the one people like because
I'm just so angry about it was, um, Gods of Egypt.
I didn't even make it through the whole movie. I
watched that one live as I did it, and like,
if you want to hear there's not a lot of
cursing on this podcast that I'm on right now, but
if you want to hear somebody curse and find the

(05:08):
Stupid Movie Tuesday where I'm doing Gods of Egypt, you
will see me at my absolute angriest. It's like driving
on the four oh five angry. That's a regional reference
is not gonna get but it's whatever freeway is in
your town that you hate. That's what it was. You

(05:29):
didn't like those Irish Egyptian gods. No, not at all
because like that like my family like from Egypt. So
like when I watched it, I was like, wait a minute, wait,
wait wait, this is this is this is not right
at all, And like just just on a mythology standpoint,
I'm like, this is terrible. Jamie Lanister, the actor who
plays him, because I can't pronounce his actual name, uh,

(05:51):
he played Horace in that movie. Yeah, Jamie, Jamie Lanister
playing don't don't, don't spoil it, let him let him
go see that, will see it, go see it. Sigourney
Weavers in it for some reason. Whatever Sigourney Weavers might
forever cross, she can be in whatever movie. She can
be in Black Panther. Honestly, there was there was an

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actor in Black Panther that was in Gods of Egypt two.
He was he was ban he was taught. Yeah, okay.
Vin Chadwick Boseman head basically was like, I guess he
needs to pay rent that mother book Black Panther yet
al right, Well, speaking of Black Panther and black superheroes

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segue of the year. Mons Morales is who we're here
to talk about. Morales is fun. We're gonna get into
the deeds and the in the beginning of it, but
Mons Morales is cool in the sense that I remember
when he came on the scene. I remember, I think
everyone in this room remembers it, and I remember when

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he first came in being unimpressed, uh not by the
character itself, but on the well for for the nonversed fans,
I'll like walk it back and explain everything I'm mentioning,
but the fact that he existed in the Ultimate Universe
and not six one six, so that I was like, Okay,
y'all doing it, but you're not really doing it and

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what that means for those who might not know the
difference between the six one six universe and the Ultimate Universe,
Marvel established that there's multiple universes and the six one
six universe is basically the main canon everything that dates
back to Marvel that you basically know and love, and
Ultimate universes where all the Ultimate comics were from Ultimate

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Spider Man, l X Men, Ultimate Avengers, and they used
to be separate. There was a weird moment of time
when all the drawings in the Ultimate comics looked like
everyone who ended up being cast in the movies. You know,
Wolverine looked like Hugh jackman Um Samuel Jackson got the
job to because them like that. They like the Nick

(08:00):
Fury and the Latimate Universe came first, didn't didn't quite
work out for Eminem and wanted no, not at all,
and and basically the thing that but you know what,
the thing that I liked about the Ultimate Universe in
the first few years was they did seem to take
it like just that tiny They turned up the realism
dial just a little bit, and then they leaned on

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that mug and it went then exactly. The Ultimate Universe
was great when it first started. By the time Miles
was getting into it, though, it was not falling off
because like when Miles got into it, and then I
think we'll get into this later. At some point Captain
America took over America. Uh, they split it up. At

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some point, Peter Parker was dead. The X Men, it
was just off the rails. It was like X Men
three bad when it came back to Like the X Men. Also,
I'm a pause and because I like to kind of
make it a little inclusive for the nerds who might
not have that deep knowledge. The reason I said didn't
work out for Eminem is if you read the original

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Wanted comic, he's drawn like Eminem because they drew the
comic in the way that they drew it with how
they would want it to be cast in the movie.
They drew it anticipate in the movie coming out, so
they drew it to have certain people get cast for it.
Like if you read The Boys, Um, there's a character
who looks exactly like Simon Peg in there. Oh yeah,

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and he wrote the foreword to like one of the
training paperbacks. Yeah. And if unfortunately it's he's too old
to play it now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know
if I can whatever, it's it's past and they already
cast him. But I auditioned for Mother's Milk. Yeah, I was, Yeah,
and I request that one, but I'm too young, like
Mother's Milk is an older character. But I was like,

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I just want, like I'm getting to the point where
I've I've I've been taking some swing out a few superheroes,
and to me, I'm just happy that I'm taking them swing.
Most recent notable audition that I did was for Ronnie
de Vo for the New Audition movie. Because I'm tall,
I'm light skinning, I can dance. I was like, I
want to do Ronnie the Vote, And obviously I didn't

(10:10):
get it, but there was a part of me that
I was going to say, how did that go? And
I was like, well, the movie can the movies out?
The movies out already? That was funny when you do
tell people you auditioned for something that's out there, like
how well it well, they cast me as an orc,
don't worry about it. But it's funny that you guys

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were talking about the movie connection because one of the
things about the Ultimates and specific was that was, honestly,
if you really look back on it, that was them
giving Mark Miller a chance to shape what was going
to be their cinematic universe. They're They're iron Man is
very much like the like the Tony start that we
got in the movies. They're They're Keptain America is a
little hyped up. He can like throw a volts wag

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instead of just chomp out of the way of one.
You know what I'm saying. The six one says kept
America to jump out the way the ultimate line, He'll
kick ahole of your fucialize. You know what I'm saying.
He don't care they made Wolverine a little taller. Well yeah,
they tried to do a lot of stuff, so but
basically then they started like even they had things like
Captain America when he first woke up and he saw
Nick Fury, he was like, ain't no high ranking back

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right now? That was that That made me in a
strange way. It made me feel good when he did that,
because Captain America six won six. His real superpower is
not being completely racist as a product of the of
the forties, you know, like think about it. He's not
racist at all, And like a little bit of that
bothers me a little bit because because like you hear first,

(11:34):
Aaron really wants to No, no, I don't want him
to be I just want him to be more realistic
in the case, like he doesn't have to be like
like deviate ly likely racist, but like just subtle stuff
like oh, there's a woman on the team, or like,
you know, there's a negro, what's this? That was always

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my beef with Captain America when they was like, yo,
this dude's ill as mill Terry leader. So when he
comes to let's say or two thousand, he's going to
be the dude who knows who's up on it. He's like, yeah,
we need to get some of those Sherman tanks. We
don't even use Sherman tanks. We have evolved. We need
to get some of those M fourteen rifles, like exactly

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fragmentation grenade. Well, we don't even pilot our whole stuff.
So towards the end of the ultimate line that when
they turned the violence up to eleven and they started
killing off stuff. I do believe though, for a segment
of people. I think that Myles Royllis did kind of
resuscitate for certain people because I came and read the

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whole run way afterwards, and I was kind of moved
at how they had kind of set him up with
his own uncle Ben's story of him thinking he could
have helped. He gets his powers well before Spider Man
is dead, but he chooses to not use them because
he doesn't think that life is for him, and his
dad and stuff pressure him to be like, yeah, had
some issues like because like his dad went to jail.

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His uncle who's very close to jail, also and he
was like, well, what if being a criminal is like
genetic or something like that. He had those he was
just a young kid. He got his powers. Peter got
his powers at fifteen. That's always been whatever universe, He's
always fifteen. Miles got his at thirteen, which is it
really makes it makes those two years make a big difference.

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And he was always like, well, you know, my dad
and my uncle like idolized them and stuff. You know,
but they went down this wrong path. My father shaped up,
but you know, you know his uncle, his uncle still
kind of a criminal. He's the Prowler, Prowler of the
Ultimate Universe. It was a high tech thief he steal,
which is how Miles because his powers. The Prowler is

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stealing some stuff from Oscorp. One of the Spiders, number
forty two for Jackie Robinson. I guess I don't know.
I think so honestly, I honestly, I will say they
have made like nice little references like that, Like, for example,
I bring this up a lot. One of my favorite
black Panther runs the most Dangerous Man Alive. When he

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is in Hell's kitchen, he's there as Mr Okonko, which
is the one of the main characters and Things Fall
Apart a Nigerian uh novel, which is really great. Um
I read that in high school. Yeah, I did too.
I only got aware of it when out the roots
to the album. You're like, all right, cool, I did

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it too because I had this English assignment which like
looking like I was like, oh, that was a pretty
tight one. It was like you they wanted you to
read a story written by author from your you know,
heritage nationality, So Ginua Chebe is Nigerian Ebo And I
was like, oh, no brainer. And my dad was so hyped,
and it was like the first time I've seen him
like real excited about something I was doing. And then

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the next day you told him you'd be a stand
up comedian and he was. And then I look at
this jack of buzz tattoo, right yeah, yeah, yeah, he
like throw away like the lab code he had things. Doctor,
just who frumpled it up? Like how Spider Man be
leave in his uniform? He walked away in the rain, Doctor,

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No more. So, let's jump into this deep dive real quick,
just to get the first bit out of the way
before the break. Miles Moronles is a fictional comic book Superhero,
appearing in publications by the American publisher Marvel Comics. We
all know Marvel, as Crystal calls them, and it actually
cracks me up. I love that she's calls him Marvel character. Yeah,

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as one of the characters known as Spider Man. The
character was created in two thousand eleven by writer Brian
Michael Bindis and artist Sarah Picelli, with Bndess and marvel
then editor in chief Axel Alonzo, drawing inspiration from both
then U S President Barack Obama and American actor rapper
Donald Glover. I feel like they add Barack just to
make it sound like it has more more. It's really

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like it Donald Glover because like Barack was president, was there,
and like when the mixing and and and the whole
idea was bubbling, it was Donald Glover. Like, it's funny
that they add Barack there. I think it's kind of corny.
But it was after a It really at that time

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everything black and positive had something to do with BARACKO.
But it was oh a year, so I'd say, yeah,
it really was Donald Glover. And you know, if you
wonder why, he's like, why do they sound so sure?
The fuse was lit after Donald Glover in an interview,
said how one time he mentioned that he would love

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to play Spider Man and he just was targeted by
racist trolls. And you can tell it was two thousand
eleven because this was such a new idea to be
rais who would think that people in two thousand eleven
and this day and age would be racist on the internet.
But but like it was that was the big thing.
It was like he was like every day, you know, uh,

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you know, I went on line and I would just
be you know, it's like you'd never be Spider Man. Inward,
it is that. And he said that that didn't get
to him. What really got to him was one guy
who like tried to come at him and was like, hey, look, Donald,
the reason that you know there would never be a
black Spider Man is because you know, there aren't any

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black kids like that. And he was like that got
to him more than just the blatant racism, because like,
someone really doesn't believe that there could be a kid
in New York who doesn't have a father and had
an uncle die, who is really in a science like
and I and I oftentimes repeat that with on paper,
that's a black character. Like you'd be like, that's ah,

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that's that's uh Patrece Parker. Right, if you told me
that and told me about if you pitched that character
with my eyes closed, you said no, father, like sadly,
I was saying, okay, yeah, I mean, well, it's funny
because it is. Not to harp on this fact, but
it's a common star type. But lots of times when
stereotypes like that work in the favor of like lending

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a new character, people like oh no that no, no, no, no,
like it's it's used to put us down. But when
it's like, oh no, this Peter Parker kid, actually you
know that that is like something right we can kind
of relate to. It's like, no, no, that's ours. But overall, though,
I think the way that they introduced smiles, I think
they try really hard to give him parents, you know

(18:28):
what I'm saying, which I really liked, and get him
into like charter school and stuff like that, because that
weighs heavily on him. Like you're thirteen years old, you
got bit by a day in Spider and you got
all these weird powers and all the stuff, but you're
just trying to keep your head down and make sure
you don't get kicked out of the school. I literally
on some real stuff. I cried when I read the
issue where he gets into the school and his parents

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are super happy that he's going to actually have a
future and stuff. He's not gonna have to go down
the path his dad, David, is gonna have to do
whatever his mom was doing, because this mom seem to
be accomplished woman. But the bottom line as it's easier
for women of color a lot of the time. Obviously
they have thrown travails, but a dude of color looks
like a lion in the office of a lot of people,
you know what I mean. So like his brother, and
they find out later his dad went to shield and

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did all this stuff after his criminal pass. So it's
like he's hiding a dope secret agent thing from his kid,
not just any sort of criminality. He's hiding it in
the form of like, oh, I'll just make you I'll
just let you think I used to be a criminal,
but actually I used to save the world, like every Tuesday.
But he doesn't want it. He wants a kid to
be a regular kid. It's something that Peter Parker never
really got you know, he actually, like Peter just went

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head on and being a superhero and stuff. But Myles
is like, look, I had these pots for a couple
of years. I kind of just want to be a
regular kid, because it's like, I've seen how dangerous being
a superhero can be, with like everything going on in
the Ultimate you know, that's the crux of the Spider
Man mythos, And I feel like that's why it's so
relatable to a lot of nerds and want so many
people because everyone can think of being overwhelmed in school

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trying to balance everything, so to imagine also having superpowers,
as cool as that be, you can plainly see that, like,
imagine that a kid. Who are you going to relate
more to the billionaire who used his billions to make
a dope suit, the guy who got blasted with science
and turns into her East, or this kid who's just
trying to make it all work. Like that's that's just

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hands down one of the reasons I can relate to
the kid who can make it all work, because those
other two things would get me to die. You know,
there's no bomb that's gonna explode around you and you're
gonna get magic at all, You're gonna die. But in
the back of your head and you're like, I hope, yeah,
I still want my mutant powers to manifest, Like to
this day, to just take out the radiation smock, you

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have to make a fist and just want cloths to
pop out and stuff like that. I mean, that's kind
of why I love my hero academia so much, because
that's my biggest fears that powers do exist and I
just don't have them, just like oh you're part yeah,
And I honestly know that they exist because Tony Robbins
has a career and you say bolt like in the

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same we're living in the world where there's a dude
who's faster than everybody. Nobody's checking his meta gene. He's
just way fast and everybody always just fast enough to win.
That's dash, you know what I'm saying That that's like
some real He pulls back and like and like, I
don't want to disk Tony Robbins, but that dude sucks
and the whole stylist chump and he's trait bawling because
he has stadiums and people come hear him be stupid

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and then they went across some coals and they give
him money. That's powers. I don't care what do you think.
That's powers. That's my favorite sequence of words, like I
don't want to dis him, but he sucks. Right, all right,
we'll get into when Males Morales first appeared and get
this whole thing started right after these mess welcome back

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to you still got Ed Greer and Aaron out here,
and we're gonna talk about how Miles Morales first appeared
in Ultimate Fallout number four, which was dated August two
thousand eleven, which followed the death of Peter Park. As
you heard of us say earlier. So as an Africa
you know teenager Miles Uh is the second Spider Man

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to appear in Ultimate Marvel obviously, the first being Pizza
and Uh and Uh in the Ultimate Universe up until
like you know, the mainstream Marvel Universe aka six, when
six kind of smushed him in there. And we'll get
into that later. Although Miles is featured in the Ultimate
Comics Spider Man comic book series, he's not the lead
in the Ultimate Spider Man TV series, which debuted in

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two thousand twelve because Disney XD was scared Uh yeah.
Now they're see in mad Racks because he is the
main cast in this feature film Spider Man into the
Spider Verse, which have y'all seen it yet? Not yet?
I haven't either, not yet. We're behind the embargo, yeah
we yeah, we're behind embargo. All we got nothing to

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but I mean, but then y'all send it. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
I haven't seen it yet. I'm going to see it
on the eleven. I'm yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm going
to a press Greeny I think the same day. Actually, okay, cool,
so I might see you there. And I just want
to make it clear I I haven't seen it yet,
but if you are a person who knows all about

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Miles Morales and you watch the trailer, you see that
they do a lot of things that are are canonized,
and but they do it fresh in a quick way.
Uh in there. So I'm looking forward to seeing, like
the abbreviation of it. But I just wanted to touch
on when he did come out, and or rather when
the Ultimate Marvel Ultimate Comics line with Peter Parker came out.
One of the things they did to try to differentiate

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himself was to make him like have long hair and
be a little more emo. But over the course of time,
it was to me always to me, it was just
they were just doing the stories over again and just's
refitting his villains with different sort of looking stuff and
blah blah. I think they really committed to the idea
of the Ultimate line on a certain level. Besides, besides
Ultimate um the Ultimates, Ultimates is different than Avengers, and

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Ultimate Spider Man with Miles as the lead is different
than Ultimate Spider Man or Regular Spider Man. Those two
books are the most different and ultimate of them, which
is why Ultimate is the basically Marvel so Sema cinematic
universe and Spider Man is getting his own movie. They
were the things that survived the Ultimate x Man did not.
They started, it started off good and then it just

(24:28):
went way off the rails. Ultimate x Man was just
like and I also think that towards the end Ultimates
went off the rails because Jeff Lobe was, Yeah, he
was going through some stuff and uh it appeared on
the page. Well, he took his his his life problems
were definitely showing a phone the page and like it was,
it was, it was. It was a weird thing because

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like I'm a huge comic book fan and I'm a
completist too, so that makes it worse. So like I
kind of have to get this thing, and I just
I gave up towards the end of it. I was
just I can't do that. I could, I could mess
with they had. They had a mute black panther with
like Adam claws coming out of the back of his hands,
but they're a real short and was like bulls eye

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at this point, yeah, which almost I kind of dug
that for a second, like he was flicking his fingernails
and people they killed his fail blady flicked his fingernails
at him. I was like, that's hardcore. But one of
the things that was really dope about Miles was like
they let him have his Uncle Ben moment. His Uncle
Ben moment was Spider Man dying at the hands of
the Green Goblin and cops, which was very convoluted, like

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he got beat up by the Green Goblin and then
got shot by some cops because it's too slow from
getting beat up like old man. Y'all, y'all chose the
death of the wrong Spider Man. I guess we're just
getting too deep. But yeah, so the bottom line is
like that one him having a feeling that if I
had a bean Spidery or sought out some training or
did some Spider stuff instead of being scared little bit,
I could have helped Spider Man specifically, And so he

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kind of that's his uncle Ben, and I think that
makes the comics dope for that section, you know. And
then he has some adventures. You got little powers like
the camouflage power. Yeah, last power. Did they read that
or does he know that's no, he still has them
and they don't use it as much depending on you know,
it feels like that's kind of like the iron fist. Yeah,

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you know, even more you whip it out the less
kind of like it's kind of like Gambits powers. Like
Gambit has, he doesn't always just charge things up with
energy and make him explode. He has a power that's
like called hypnotic charm, where if you don't know about it,
he can just basically persuade you to do anything. But
because he's so charming, depending on the writer, no one
mentions it. You know what, I must be well, in

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more ways than one, I'm job of the Hut because
in mind, tricks don't work on me. I ain't never
been a gambit. Mr and Mrs X is a really
good book right now. I bet it is. It's because
Rogue is cool and she can save that fool like Beyonce,
but like jay Z is cool. But you know what
I'm saying, It's just like I know, I used to

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be a big gambit stand and then he was bad
and Marvel versus Capcom and I'd let him go. Like
I was like, all right, if you can't be good
in fighting games, I can't deal with you, because you know,
Iron Man is out here bodying people on the regular.
But yeah, so it was like, um so the we

(27:18):
basically discussed how they kind of swapped out the Spider Man.
It was it was a great story arc that happened,
and that was kind of what was cool about The
Ultimate Uh, even though I kind of gave it flak
for not like really quote unquote really doing it, Ultimates
was a space where you could try new things, and
you know, it kind of was like the n x

(27:39):
T for all my wrestling heads for because the stuff
that worked it seemed like they kind of trickled over,
like uh, six one six ended up with a black
Nick Fury, But I think that had more to do
with the Ultimate Nick Fury launching into the Cinematic Universe
and then this new thing which I will probably ran
about in the end where they want to homogenize the

(27:59):
comic book universe with the cinematic universe. But how they
introduced the Black Nick Fury in six one six dumb, dumb,
He's he's He's Nick. It literally is the Kurt Angle.
What's his face? Yeah, it's basically my black son. What
you thought of k I thought a strom Thurman. Yeah,

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Oh my gosh, let's pull it back. We're getting too nervous,
Like I feel like some people like, wait, wait, that's
a whole another part. They have to look up actual
human history from this comic book stuff. That's a wind universe. Um.
But yeah so but but Myles moralest what they did
in the in the Ultimate Universe. Um, And I don't
know if we do. We have to keep it to

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the end, because I do want to talk about how
not about the Cinematic Universe homogenation, but like how they
try to fold him from his adventures from the Ultimate
Line into the Marvel universe. It's basically as stupid as
that Nick Fury thing. It was basically as stupid. It
was a press move because like that Marvel has events.
If you don't know that Marvel has events, they have

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a lot of them, especially recently. These are just big
comic book moments where they have like big crossovers and
they at the end of them there's consequences and then
there's like things that happened that affect the rest of
the universe. There was it was called Secret Wars. Was it?
Secret Wars? Is basically, hey Miles, we're bringing you over here. Yeah,

(29:26):
basically you know what I called it. I called it
like you know how like, Okay, there's maybe some nerds
don't like sports ball, but when a team just decides
to get crappy for a long time so they can
lose a bunch and go hire in the drafting, that's
exactly what they tanked the universe so they can trust
the process and draft. Because the storyline was basically, the

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different earths in the Marvel universe, we're colliding with each other,
and then they all collected. They all collided, and then
there was like one Earth with every universe on it,
and Dr Doom was the ruler. He was the god yeah, yeah,
the human torch was the sun. It was weird. This
is this is how they simultaneously got rid of the
Fantastic Four and brought Miles Morales over to the main universe.

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It was a long and convoluted storyline and it made
no sense. It was it was like it was funny
because people didn't know what to make of it. It It
didn't seem like people liked it, but people were like,
I think I know what their game is, so we're
rocking with it. And here's some important things I want
to note, because you know, when we talk comics, i'd

(30:32):
like to link up the cinematic stuff with significance that
you might have missed if this is your first time
hearing it or seeing it. So first off and foremost,
I want to, like, you know, highlight the exact thing
mentioned that that been this kind of credits Donald Glover
four and it was actually seeing him um in community.

(30:53):
In the episode Anthropology one on one, Donald Glover is
wearing Spiderman pajamas and it was a reference to the
event we were seeing and Bundi said that he looked
fantastic and he saw him in the costume and thought
I would like to read that book and he made it.
So there's some stuff this is done that I've been like,
not really messical, but him doing that, him like actively,

(31:14):
he like bund This was at the point he was
like that dude at marveled that he was like, oh,
Spider Man's black nap. He took that kind of power.
I was like, Okay, well I'm gonna make a black
Spider Man and he was like all right, cool. Yeah.
And him using his power for that is why like
I'm like, all right, you're good in my book. You
can I definitely agree with that. But and one thing
I'm not trying to push back in any way. But

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it was also the perfect storm. That's the perfect door
because that that ultimate Peter Peter Parker was getting pretty whacketty.
They were doing the Clones saga, and that's what I'm saying, right,
so they wouldn't They went deep into the road the
decks of wackness, and they was trying to find some
some new stuff to flip and bounce and it wasn't cool.
So then so it was a perfect like this book's failing.

(31:55):
If we do this Black Spider Man, everybody hates it.
So what you remember Marvel used to launch a line
every minute that and and for some reason still every
time we touch on this, someone that got beat at me.
Every last time I ranted about this on the house
stuff where it's network it was on. Was like, guys,
but they were launching so many things, but nobody was
reading that Black Panther run. And then they canceled it

(32:17):
on your boy, I like straight ripped it out your boys.
Pull is still mad about that forever. Don't act like
you like Black Panther now, y'all, because like Black Panther
has some great books. He has some great but like
because nobody was reading it. Well, there was an oversaturation
of comics at the time. There was, like I think,
especially at this time that we're talking about about five

(32:38):
Wolverine comics. You had so many Blades in the stands.
You had you had the Wolverine, you had Wolverine. In
the next twenty three, you had Dock in everyone remember
in Actually I'm like Decking more than I was rocking
with Deck. Like I could see that now between X
twenty three and deck and I like X twenty three
because her storyline is more rich. They skipped a big

(33:00):
portion of her history from like the n y X series,
which is basically her origin story. And then she had
another comment from that deck and I liked. And then
they put him on the Dark Avengers and made him
Dark Wolverine, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, Well, it's
just funny to me. It's funny to me how often
Marvel makes some weird legacy version of their characters, because

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if you think about it, DC really started that stuff.
DC started Booby Doole and Flash d C has had
legacy characters all the way back to the fifties. THU,
because like Flash, Barry Allen is a legacy character, he's
the second Flash. Marvel is just now getting into legacy characters.
And even still they still don't know how to nurture
those characters, right because they're bringing Wolverine back, you know.

(33:46):
And let me go up on a tiny ramp. Hot clause,
hot clause, You got hot, Your clause could cut through anything.
But now the hot not a hot, not a hot. Yeah,
that's the stupidest thing I've never I've never not lot
of comic book based on the cover, but once I
saw those yellow claws come out of it, I'm not
buying that. Basically for those once, I feel like we're

(34:08):
going to be doing a lot of sidebars because there's
just three thick nerds in here. In here man, but
dock In is Wolverine son. You can nowhere by his
third clause that comes from then it made no sense
that that was like very just like in a bad spot,

(34:28):
like like' just how does this work? Like I get
XE hear third clause in her foot, I get that,
but deck and having his right underneath his wrist, I'm like, no,
that's just somebody thought that look cool. And what's up
of comic books and everything coming out your wrist? Yeah,
things to come out. And if you didn't know, X

(34:51):
three is basically a Clona Wolverine and adoptive daughter and
they kind of exist. It was when it was classes
and they had so many actually, and I hate and
I hate being a guy to say actually actually he
didn't say, so, it's not it's X one of these
recognized as his sister, Sir clowns, that's his sister. Okay, Yeah,

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just that paternal relationship starts to show because they're he's
older than her, but right, he's a he's an older brother.
But that's there. They're more siblings than anything. Okay, Yeah,
and and this was like Sun's season as well, because
just to take a hop to another franchise, this is
right around when Damian started popping up in DC and

(35:31):
Damien had a rough go at it because he was bad.
Then it was kind of good. And then they killed him. Yeah,
once people started liking him, they Jason totted him and
just which is so weird because like, honestly, I know
we're supposed to talking about Miles, but that run was
interesting to me because they had uh, Dick Grayson playing
Batman because Batman was lost in space and time and

(35:53):
Dick Grayson had to watch Damian every second of every
day because damianould literally chops about his head off. Dudes.
He was just was like, it was like good cop back.
It was the little kid. It was the perfect wrench
to throw in the Batman's storyline because Batman also was
getting still because they had twenty Batman's. They had Black Batman,
they had bat Girl, they had they had Batman Incorporated

(36:14):
with Bruce Wayne wanted a Batman in every country. They
had Batman react World. I know it's been known that
Batman has a big ego, but when you want one
of you and every every let's dude think he McDonald
basically he franchise Batman. He was just like, all right,
we're gonna have a Starbucks Batman, every blood two for

(36:35):
five batter ranks coming around, you know, like mcribs, Like
DC was really trying to sell toys with that because
everybody had a different suit, right, all right, so let's
really we really well, let's come back to that. So
let's come back to Miles, and let's just go straight
to the basics. So we explained kind of the origins
of that and kind of why business Mate has happened.

(36:56):
So let's let's talk about Miles. Miles Morales. He was
born and raised in Brooklyn, New York City, and he
was the thirteen year old son of an African American
father and a Puerto Rican mother. That was something that
was cool too, because I like that they're like, we're
not just gonna make him just the black kid. We're
gonna make a man for Latino, get a little you know,
killed two representation bird stuff. Also because Cassada and actually

(37:18):
Alonso is Cuban, I think is some sort of uh
Latin X person. So the bottom line is they could
see that. But then you know, the black thing was
to make him notably different because they've already had Miguel
O'Hara from he was the first Latino Spider Man, Miguel O'Hara.
And also, this is just something that I saw. It
was just like the diversity of New York because having

(37:41):
a black dad and a Puerto Rican mom is a
very common thing like cities like New York, Chicago and stuff.
You know, all right, if they're going to be in
New York, let's let's make it as New York as possible,
you know. And speaking of which, as far as we
talked about the cinemaon accident, we even talked about this.
They do gang a bunch of stuff from Miles, this
interpretation of being Spider Man and went in Homecoming like
his big old friend that I thought. I was like, oh,

(38:06):
we get Miles in this and Donald Glover actually plays Probler,
which is a nice perfect just bawled up No at Miles.
It's pretty beautiful. Yeah, because you've got the person who
inspired Miles playing Miles is you know, and we know
that there is a Miles in the Marvel cinematic universe

(38:26):
because when he webs him up. He's like, hey, man,
I don't want those kinds of weapons in my town.
I got a nephew here. Yeah, so I'm like, boom,
we got him. Yeah, they set it up. And I
mean and that you know, the back we even we're
doing with the Secret World Hubbub is we're already creating
a world where Peter Parker and Miles can co exist.

(38:46):
So who knows what's going to happen in two in
the PS four game, we got Miles already in there. Yeah,
absolutely so uh and and so getting to everybody getting cinematic, Uh,
the inner the Spider Verse has a version of the
story that we know from the Ultimate line, but also
there and and and putting in the Spider Verse which

(39:06):
the Spider get an event, you know, and and uhasically
basically these dudes, this guy Moreland and these dudes from
another dimension that the Inheritors. Yeah, the Inheritors eat Spider people.
So if you have Spider powers or your Spider totem
in any reality, they will come after you. So there's
a Spider Man who is a Captain Universe. He's got
to have Captain Universe powers, and he's basically all powerful. Uh,

(39:29):
there's a Spider Ham, Spider Han, Spider Gwyn, Sydney Moon.
It's like they have different Spider Man for different unions,
Like Uncle Ben is a Spider Man, there's anime Spider Man.
There's like even the Spider Man meme is part of
this Spider verse. They include each in every version of
Spider Man that you can possibly think of. And yes,
Spider Hamp is a pig and it's hilarious. They have

(39:51):
Spider Monkey, they have Spider Wolf. I thought it was
telling Harken back to that ultimate line of Captain America,
being like, there's not a Negro Captain whatever. They have
a thing where Miles has an adventure with Old School
Spider Man and when he pulls off his mask to
show that he's black, Old School Spider Man goes, wait
a minute, e're a and then I go, oh, man,
maybe old School Spider Man is kind of old school

(40:12):
and bad way it's head. He goes a teenager, Yeah,
they hit you with one of them. I'm like, oh no,
and then they get like, okay, yeah they got us.
They played with our emotions, and we'll talk about how
they played with our emotions even more after these messages.

(40:35):
All right, welcome back. Still sitting here with Aaron Powell
and my man Ed Greer holding it down. This has
been a fun one we've been It's been like an
open conversation dropping facts instead of going you know, in
the normal order. But that's what happens when you know,
when we're tapping in. It feels like instead of an

(40:55):
episode where we're falling along with an expert, we have
three passionate expense So you know, sorry, follow this one's
a little harder for you to fall along. I implore
you to tweet us. We will keep the conversation going on.
But I feel like we're doing a good job of
like weaving in the top and bottom. But you know,
one thing we didn't touch on, and I did say

(41:17):
we're going to talk about playing with emotions, is how
people reacted to Miles and and once again, this was
another thing that we were all so luckily able to
experience live and direct. And it was funny when you know,
while like Stanley gave it the okay thumbs up and
people like us really loved it, you had those fans
out there that do what they do anytime any diversity

(41:39):
initiative launches a diverse character, switches up or red cons
and add something. You had people complaining that you know,
this is just a move for for political correctness and
and you know you're just trying to check on PC,
and you know there's many takes that people have, many
responses and minds is always yep, so ok yeah, yeah,

(42:04):
it's we want to be represented. So it's like yelling
at a dude in the tesla, like you're just trying
to save the environment. Yeah. The one the one thing
that I always brought at and on that regard is
when they go, Okay, you're just doing this for diversity,
You're just doing this for whatever reason. Everything is just
for some reason. Everything is just for some agenda. And

(42:24):
up until very recently, the agenda has been I don't
want to call it white supremacy, but let's call it
white a okay, you know what I mean. I like, hey, okay,
I like to call it that. The one rule that
most waves of business go back it is called I'm white.
And I say, so, that's usually that's usually the reason
for a lot of things. And then when we we

(42:45):
get something like it's a comic book character, it's a
fictional character, and he had your own separate but equal
universe for a long time. Want exactly they eased you
into it. He didn't show up with your mom. I'm
your new daddy the East. Well, here's the funny thing
about it, and here's my like less cynical way of

(43:06):
doing it, because I try, and you know, as I
get deeper in the nerves space and as we become
more talking points, I try and to like take a
little bit of snap energy because you know, rest in peace.
John Schnapp, he always, like one thing I want to
take from him is just his ability to kind of
like try and like ease you into it and not
be the DMX of nerdom, which I am usually want

(43:27):
to do. And the way I look at it is it, honestly,
if we're not being just straight up cynical and we're
just being facts for facts. Before a certain time, media
was made for white people. You the you knew you
were creating it for a majority white person. You know
that the only people who needed to relate to it
is white people. But what we all know now, especially

(43:52):
as all of us are creators, We are writers, we
are actors, We we work in this industry industry. So
this isn't speculative. This isn't speculation, This is just facts.
When you are creating art, you're trying to touch your audience,
You're trying to touch your viewers, and you're gonna do
everything you can to make them feel included. You're gonna

(44:12):
do everything you can to look on that screen and
have them go, oh, that can be me. And you know,
for so long a lot of people of color had
to look at these white people on the screen and
and find themselves in them. And in the end we
made it work. And now we're getting to a place

(44:32):
where you're getting a lot of creatives who are like,
let's switch it up. Let's, you know, create this character
who you know black kids can look up to and
go like, that's me. But it's the old quote about
how equality seems like oppression. You haven't, you know, get
it out. And I think that that when they see
they don't realize what it was like for me as
little kid, to be like, look it up to thor thor,

(44:54):
don't look like nobody has been in my family history
years And I got to see myself and there's North
do with a belt made of cow hide and all
this jazz. But you can't see yourself in a Brooklyn
teenager when you probably was a teen in Brooklyn. Have
these people who are balking at Miles lived Miles his
life and say they can't see it themselves in him
because of his skin, And I think that's that's that's
a weird situation. But like you said, snap energy, I

(45:16):
feel as though it's also the fact that it's belying
that jazz about there is no audience for this when
I've going into several comic book stores and seeing people
unbidden like sometimes I've walked into several combook stores and
had a diversity and comics, uh conversation pop up as
I walked in the store. I don't know what that's about.
And all of a sudden, it's time to talk about
diversity in comix and how whack it is. And I'm

(45:38):
just people. The one of the main talking points they
say is black people and women and lesbians or whatever
you want to connect with the Latinos, they don't really
read comics. That's so so false, and I just love
for that. That is also part of it. It is
a business. There is a business reason beyond a lot
of this diversity, and it is to sell to people
who are buying comics that do not happen to look

(45:59):
like regular Parker. Yeah, and lots of times it's just
dated information and that you just kept using, like the
example that a black lead, you know, movie can't do
well overseas, and then which is totally so surprised that
black panthers this smash hit that is doing well. Look
at Fast and Furious, which is a black lead movie,
like get hit whatever you think out of your mind.

(46:21):
Almost all of those actors in that movie, if they're
not Latin X people, they're black. The Rock is black.
I'm sorry people, it's sorry people forget, but look his daddy.
His name is Dawayne Johnson. D Wayne Johnson. Okay, his
name is Dawayne Johnson. He is like no matter how
much they've tried to poke up his I don't think

(46:43):
he's ever played a black person explicitly on film, but
Rock is a black dude. He was in a faction
called the Nation of Domination, based on the Nation of Islam. Well,
he's doing the new Uh, he's doing the New Schwarzenegger
where it's like this fool's name is John Matrix and
he got this thick German accent, but got all the
clearances with the Delta Force. Oh well, well they do

(47:04):
that with Dwayne right now. They did John Claude Van
Damage street Fighter too. Yeah, and I called him Russian
even though he has not the muscles from Brussels. So
when when Myles some of the some of the reaction
to him, Yes, there were some people who definitely balked
at him. And there were also the people, let's kind
of talk about some of the people who are just like, well,

(47:25):
why can't he just have his own thing? Oh, let's yeah,
you know what I mean, because there are some people
like that. Yeah, there they yeah, and they and they
really try to try and make that strong argument of like, yeah,
if he had his own thing, that'd be better than
just rebranding X y Z. And really it's coming from
the same place. I think. You know, I think there
is a corner of people who like it is driven

(47:46):
by racism, but I think there's another corner of people
who just don't like change. I think it could even
if it was like you know, Romy Schwartz and it
was like just this new Jewish kid who was Spider Man,
people would be just as mad and it was just
because they're like, you're changing the thing that I like,
and for some reason, I'm forgetting that. I always have

(48:08):
every future iteration of the thing. And what's the funny is,
like people being mad about Miles Morales, they were actually
doing that thing that people try and say where it's
like we are creating this own thing. But now it's
a problem. It's a problem because like they weren't saying,
could they create their own thing? With the eight kid Flashes,
we've had no one. No one's saying that, you know,
but but we get a black kid flash. Now it's

(48:29):
a problem. Why can't he have his own thing? Okay, yeah,
black dude running fast, kind of racist, but you know
his name is Wally, which is an old black man. Well,
are you happy with the first one? That second one
feel like a reach. We can't think Wallace Wallace Willis

(48:50):
West Anyway. The thing I was thinking about also is
giving these legacy characters. Personally, I think I am one
of the few fans that I love the fact that
he's Spider Man. I love the fact they had Spider powers,
but he's more than Spider Man as well. It's almost
like he's in a situation where Cassandra Caine Batgirl was
in for a long time. Cassandra Caine as bad Girl
was for my generation, the best bad girl, and she

(49:14):
she could do so many things that Barbara Gordon could
not do as a as a because she was different
and speak full yeah, full stop. She was different. She
had a bunch of different stuff, and Myles has so
many different things. I would love to see him become
a character kind of like the Scarlet Spider or the
night Wing situation or something like that. If they did
that organically, I would not think that was capitulating to
racism or whatever. I would just think that was like,

(49:35):
because if he's not gonna be the Spider Man of
a universe, this whole two Spider Man jazz does weird
be out? It kind of does. What are you trying
to do? Is like it would be like if there
was a Daredevil that fought and this three three acre
section of Kill's kitchen and then a Dare Deevil that
was chilling in Manhattan and had better suits and better
clothes and stuff. That's kind of how they did it
for a minute. And now Spider Man's a poor bum again.

(49:56):
They made him lose his company to ground him a
little bit. It's almost like people forget that what they
love about Spider Man is their own youth. Yea, their
own youth. They were sitting on the bed at fourteen
and that was reading about this white Spider Man going
through his troubles eating his wheatcakes, and that was their dude,
that that you know what I'm saying. So basically, the
Ultimates line and this New Spider Man is a way

(50:16):
to reconnect Spider Man with being thirteen and fifteen, to
show us the Spider Man that's thirteen, fifteen, sixteen going
through little changes and stuff. Meanwhile, we have this older
Spider Man who's like thirty five basically Peters like in
his thirties now, and to keep him always broke and
always having woman trouble stuff you thirty five. He and
Pete needs to get it together. He has a PhD

(50:37):
company and stuff. I'm like dock Octopus did everything he
can to get peace life together and then he threw
it all the way. That's funny. He really is a superior. Yeah,
he got everything going for Pete. But then like we
get Miles coming through and it's a fresh character. It's
a fresh start. It's not. They're not rehashing the same
stories with them. And although I must say his new
origin in the six one six is straight up trash.

(51:00):
They make him, they make him have an uncle Ben,
that's like this duty just mat oh, I thought you
were talking about six one six Miles is a six
one six Miles. We'll let you read that so we
don't spoil it for you. But the way that Miles
is introduced and gets that da to be Spider Man
in the new six one six continuity that they put together,
it's pretty trash and dumb. But as Aaron said, there

(51:21):
is a Miles Morales who is not heroic at all,
not at all, not at all. He there's in the
Spider Men to Um series. It's about like a five
issue five six issues mini series and Miles Morales of
the six six universe. This is a sequel to the
First Spider Man where Peter Parker from six one six
meets ultimate uh Universe Miles and they have a lot

(51:43):
of adventure, have a blue adventure. Then he looks up
if there's a Miles in the six six universe and
he finds out turns out this Moles Morales is an
adult uh, and he went to jail because you know,
his uncle went to jails. Following to jail, he followed suit. Tragically,
he was in the hill with Wilson Fisk, Kingpan, who
he whose life he saved in jail. So Wilson Fisk

(52:07):
has a life debt to this Miles Morales and they
are basically just like crime buddies. I guess Wilson Fisk
is basically Moss Morales of the six one six, the
older Miles Ralest, he's basically his Chewbacca. Like they just
rolled ripping arms off hard in jail. They were like
the homies and stuff and like ripping arms off and

(52:28):
stuff and just like you know. And then when Wilson
Fisk got like, if you need anything, I got you,
and he used Taskmaster to kill his younger self from
another universe to try to yeah, to try to so yeah. Basically,
so there is a Miles Morales in the six one
six that can be explored as a villain character. And
there's the Smiles Ralest, this young Moles Ralysis in the
universe as a spider Man, And like I said, I

(52:51):
would love for them to come up with a fresh
spider name for him. I would love for the rest
of those Spider dudes that get killed. Yeah, I really don't.
I really don't like most of the Spider Man. Most
of the other Spider dudes are whack. I like the
Spider Women. Spider Women are awesome, like a lot, and
there's a lot of They need to change some of
the names because like, uh, there's like four Spider Women. No,

(53:13):
I mean, I mean, like their code names are actually
Spider Woman. Like there's like four of them right now.
Silk is different Spider Gwynn coincidence, so it's also Spider Woman.
Spider Gwen is just the name of the book. But
she shows out in her own universe, so it's not
she's in her own universe, so she's not around. There's
Spider Woman who Jessica drew Spider Woman, um, um, Julie Carpenter,

(53:37):
and she's like a Clona Peter. Is that the one
that Yeah, there's two, Jessica drews that there's one that's
a clone Peter. And then that's the other one who
went on adventures with her. She went she went on
Adventures while pregnant, which was awesome. The series was great. Um.
Then there's Arachne, there's ironya. These are ways can we

(53:58):
play with this is Spider all, this is all in
six one six all on the Island of Manhattan. Yeah,
there's there's a there's a little bit too much Spider
in this made. Personally, I don't know how what direction
we're gonna take this in, but I personally think that
they should just I gotta say they should reseparate the
jazz because like Sydney Moon in her own world will
be sick. They've shown that Sydney Moon on another world

(54:19):
has a superspy and basically runs the world as a
doctor Doom type person who has everybody's powers. Sydney Moon
is one of those characters that, like they just got introduced.
I was knew that still was awesome because she led
into the Spider of her storyline and her her origin
was interesting because she got bit by the same spiders
Peter got bit by, but she had to get put

(54:40):
away wherever. That's how they explained how it never came out.
That's a century thing. Yeah, it was Marvel. But also
Miles Morallis actually has a thing with Spider Gwan. A
lot of fans know that he has a little they
got a little they've been they've been because they're roughly
the same age, Like she's not aged up like Peter is.
They're roughly around the same age. And you had a

(55:00):
little little romance going on and stuff. They saw a
little bit of their future and stuff too. Yeah, but
that's what gives them pauses. They saw that they're supposed
to get married and when one of the worlds they're
very much buried, and they got all kind of these
Afro Latino whatever, Afric Latino Irish future babies. So they
kind of like if you and I like that as

(55:21):
a part of Miles and their characters, Like when you
see your future, do you just embrace it right off
the bat? Do you do you think, well, maybe I
need to approach this more organically. What do you think
about as a possible future? Like the time where he
saw himself killing Captain America? Yeah, yeah, that the whole
Civil War too, which was a garbage storyline. I mean,

(55:41):
I didn't like the fact that they wanted to revisit
Civil War like there was and there was a movie
coming out and yeah, and that Civil War wasn't as
good as the original Civil War, and it was because
it was rushed. They fell into the trap that I
feel the c falls into, which is rushing their their
mythos to try and keep up with like what Marvel does.

(56:04):
And Marvel was rushing their mythos because they're like, oh man,
you know, Civil War was a real cool moment for
comic book fans. I know they'll rush to see this.
It is like, yeah, but if you build it, like
imagine if they did Civil War now with how many
folks were on that uh Infinity War poster that was
Civil War, that would be the best airport scene ever.
Oh yeah, you know, because that airport scene was mad

(56:26):
empty this time. But we like, well, we talked about
Spider Verse. Like I said, I think Spider Verse, none
of us have seen it, but when we know. But
I do believe from the trailer that day they do
incorporate things from the common book telling of Miles Prollas.
And also I think this might be in the same
way that in my personal opinion, The Dark Knight features

(56:47):
the best joker I've ever seen. And I understand everybody
want to add with the Mark Hamill and this and
not the other, but I'm just saying, for my money,
that was the first joker. I felt that, Uh, that
was super cool. Had had his own chaos theory to
him and all this jazz, and I'll presented a credible
threat to Batman physically. All those checked those boxes for me,
and I was fine with that. And that's the best
one I saw. I think Miles Morales might do something

(57:08):
like that four Miles in the Spider Verse movie, because
they allow him to be himself for longer periods of
time than he even is in his book. I mean,
some people think he is it's been quoted. He seems
like a stranger in his own book. They seem up
getting to the motivations of everybody but him in certain times,
especially later in the run, you know when they start
thinking about his place. And I also think that they

(57:28):
kind of coddle him a little bit, like he does
he's not smart enough, and I think this is whack,
but he's not not whack. But I think it's interesting
that he's not smart in that way enough to make
his own web shooters, so they give him webshooters and shield.
But now to alleviate that term, because that might be
something like, well he's too dumb to make web shooters.
That's racist. Or something. Now they've given him these weird
webs that he shoots out of his like fingertips and
wrists and stuff that he can swing on. It's like

(57:50):
he's making these weird you know, he looks like best
genius from that hero Academia. So some of the later
things that I'm doing with my else I personally think
are kind of whack. And I hope, like you were
saying that things that cinematic universe kind of pushes back
on the comics, and comics push on the movies, I
hope that the comics will get more like this versions
of Miles in the movie. Well, I feel like the

(58:11):
solution of Miles for the future of Miles is super,
super simple. It's the same way they were able to
bring back Black Panther with the Vengeance and it be strong.
You gotta put a black writer behind it, or even
a Latin X writer, because you need someone writing from truth.
You're saying that, you know, the main complaint is that

(58:31):
he's following everyone else's motivations is because it's gonna be
kind of hard for a white writer to wonder what
a thirteen year old Afro Latino in a major cities
motivations are going to be one of the main things
that Brandon Bank Michael Band this was a misstep, and
a lot of people's opinion was he had a big
passage in there where somebody saw his his mask get
torn off. It was in the ultimate line. Somebody saw

(58:52):
his mask get torn off towards the bottom and towards
the shoulders and stuff, and they saw that he had
black skin under his spider suit. And this lady blogger
was like, yeah, the Spider Man is of color and
also saw that. It was like, I don't want to
be the black Spider Man. I just want to be
Spider Man. That's right out. Yeah, that was that was

(59:15):
I don't see color. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do it.
But it's it's so interesting because it is, you know,
just a touch on that. I feel like that has
been pushed on people of color for so long. It
was like, you don't want to be the the the
and insert your race here version of this. You want
to be, but you do want to be because you

(59:36):
want people to look up to you, like, yeah, I
want to be the best black comedian so that other
little black kids can look up and be like I
can be a comedian that being said, I don't need
my peers saying that I'm the best black comedian. Like
it's it's a nuanced relationship with that type of identity
that once again, like we said, can't be covered by

(59:58):
a white writer. Because I can understand why business might
think like, oh, yeah, you don't want to be known
as the as the black spider Man. Is like, yeah, no, no, no,
I don't want to be known as the Black spider
Man to white people, but to black people, I want
to be known as the Black spider Man. So to
that blogger who was indeed black, he would have been like, yeah,

(01:00:19):
parts of the people. But to but if it was like,
you know, little miss, you know Janice at HuffPo and
she was like black spider Man, he'd be like pause.
But you know, that's a whole another rant that we
don't have time for, which is about you know, nuance
and approaching things and how you know this error wokeness
and trying to be right doesn't allow open discussions about

(01:00:41):
nuance because we rushed to have the right answer and
not actually understand what's being talked about and thinking thinking
that a lot of this stuff has an answer is
kind of simple. To know. I mean, we're talking about
a complex reman being nuance situations. Every situation is different,
So I just yeah, I would love the champion the
rit earned to Nuance. Yeah, because there might be another

(01:01:03):
three black nerds in here who would be like, yeah,
I like that because I don't want him to be
the black and they wouldn't be wrong. That would be
that's your that's your opinion on it. That's slide Whisper
didn't get that out, Yeah, I was. I tried to

(01:01:24):
ignore it and then correct Yeah, and then it was like,
all right, we gotta gotta look at this failure. Okay,
what would their parents be? They got like the pants
up to their imagine this guy, Yeah he got He
got a whole bunch of beat reading poems. He smelled
like Patuli and like cool water. Right, Why you combined

(01:01:45):
both of you? Why you got on too much cologne? Yeah,
that's that's what that appears with. Yeah. I'm just glad
that they've given Miles his due and they're allowing for
Spider Man and Miles to be for the for the
rest of the universe, for the rest to the world
to see their relationship. This is me as the Spider
Man at thirteen, you are Spider Man at thirty five.

(01:02:05):
They make a very big point in the trailer to
show that this Spider Man has done it all, and
that's an interesting thing to be, like, have that person
with somebody who doesn't know anything, and but he's also
a fish out of water. He's in a whole another world.
I think it's it's it's the forty eight hours reboot
that we've always wanted. I never thought it, well, unfortunately
they're already doing a forty hours reboot, and I'm so

(01:02:27):
mad that I'm not already auditioning for so, you know,
before we go into you know, your plugs, which were
about to get into right before. I did want to
mention this because I feel like y'all would agree with me.
Normally would be like, what are your you know, picks
of comics to intro you in a Miles. But Miles
is a pretty young, uh you know, pun intended character

(01:02:48):
in the universe, and I think you can't go wrong
with starting with his original arc and then dipping into
maybe some Spiderverse stuff if you want to hear some
of the stuff we're talking about, and then just the
new arc that starts after Secret Wars. I think you
could probably skip Secret Wars. You can skip Secret Wars.
It's just long and convoluted and stuff, but you can. Um.

(01:03:10):
They even have a new ongoing series that's about to
start very soon. UM if you just want to just
get your feet wet with that as well. It's gonna
have a new writer, Brian Michael Business is not writing
this because he's over at DC now. It is the
first time Miles has ever been written by anybody else. Really,
he kept for the most part because like in Like

(01:03:31):
he was part of the Champions and um, I don't
think Benness wrote that all and then he was also
in Um. He's been by other people in other books,
but for the most part his solo books was always Bundes.
So this is something. This is basically in the Yeah,
yeah it is. It is a writer of color Muslim. Yes,

(01:03:55):
that's going to be a spicy tag or it might
just be a regular one. I don't want to be
putting stuff on him. Well yeah, well but that's another thing.
Just last things last, you do get with Miles Morales
himself and with certain creators of color, you do get
this whole like you've got to represent everybody. That's one
of the big things about Black Panther and some of
the other black heroes that especially in the Marvel But

(01:04:16):
it's just like you gotta represent everybody, you know what
I mean. And I think that nowadays we're getting to
see that there's different parts of the universe, like you said,
different different ways to be black, you know what I'm saying,
there's some monolithic things, so he can represent the young
Spider Man and the way he wants to be Black
or afric Latino and so on and so forth. I
think we're getting to an era of diversity, even amongst
the diversity, if you know what I mean. Yeah, because

(01:04:38):
being black is a very diverse thing in itself, because
black people in America are different from black people in
the Caribbean, different from black people in Europe. So everybody
can get something different from it. You can get like
Miles is is one of those he's still young. They're
gonna age him up soon or whenever they feel like,
you know, Jubilee has been thirteen for forty years, but
until they decided that you need to have a baby,

(01:04:58):
that is like, yeah, now that you believe, like twenty five,
she adopted a kid. Let's not forget when she was
a vampire, got a baby, she adopted him as a vampire. Well,
she adopted as a vampire. Yeah, okay, I am a
Jubilee fan, so I'm like, I'm cool with her development
and how she's grown. As we get it. You like

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