Episode 38: X-Men: The Animated Series

Put on your yellow spandex and get ready to take down Magneto, this week the gang is talking about X-Men: The Animated Series! Once again Ify is joined by Ed Greer on co-hosting duties to nerd out on muscle-clad mutants. The two talk about which Wolverine suit is best, whether Jubilee’s abilities actually did anything and many more tales from the TV. Channel all the mutants and tell them to tune in for another episode of Nerdificent!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
You know, I'm gonna just before you introduced, before we
do anything, before we even say anything past what I'm
saying right now, I'm gonna just hit this track because
if you read the title and got excited, this is
all you really want to hear. X Men. WHOA, that

(01:01):
was heat And I did the slow fade just to
make an extra dramatic. Uh yeah, that was the theme
for X Men. And look, when I get famous enough
to just make stuff happen, I just want to do
the orchestral version of that because you hear the like
digitized you know, harps and violins and that and dings

(01:22):
and dances like I need to hear the real I
need the band on that analog. Oh my gosh. That that.
And I was thinking about themes just this week before
even doing this podcast, because the Spider Man theme was
pretty that one was pretty good. Spiner Man, spinder Man
now and on a nail. And I'm gonna save that
for when we do the Spider Man TV episode. You

(01:45):
gotta for now. You just gotta take my word for it.
Uh So, yeah, today we're back. It's your boy, if
you way the way, It's Ner Difficent and we have
our guest host back again. You heard his voice already,
so you know who it is is, Ed Grazzy. Yeah,
thank you so much, Ed, garyer here on the Nervous podcast.

(02:08):
This is great. This is a great occurrence. I know
people are jazzed out of the last episode. Thank you
all for the kind words, and thank you for Ed
finding the time to make it with us. Danny, she's
a busy bee. She's been out here filming long hours,
working hard, and me doing nothing. I see you working high.

(02:33):
But yeah, so I'm glad you could sit down with us,
and you know, especially just that that vibe we had
going for Miles. I was really excited to talk to
you about the X Men TV series, which you know,
let's cut right to it. This isn't the the X
Men like history, this is just the TV series, mostly

(02:53):
because one if I was going to do the full
x Men, Danny would want to be here too, because
the t V series is a great place to start,
because that's I feel like that's where a lot of
people are age started with. X Men was the TV series.
And I've already said this on past episodes, how the
TV series did a real good job of covering actual

(03:14):
events from the comic books and putting it on TV,
and I feel like you don't get that with comic
book shows now. They kind of build their own stories
and sometimes even feel like they're in a separate universe. Yeah,
if it does feel like they think that the comic
book stories aren't good enough for the Like boy, boy
iron fist, I'm looking at you, I'm looking I'm looking

(03:35):
at a lot of stuff, even to a certain extent,
you know what I'm saying, hot take, even to a
certain extent that new young Punisher. I really felt like
if you did more of him killing slavers and stuff,
dudes like me who like him been down. So yeah,
but this X Men show, they really I think they
did almost like a primer for like the m c U.

(03:56):
Oh yeah, so you picked some of the best stuff
in an ultimates, best stuff out of the six ones,
cause I made a nice little gumbo that tastes good
for billions of billions of dollars. So I think this
was the man for for an outside company to come
in and see these characters dis fresh and do them
this well. Boy oh yeah, Well you could just tell
that it was a company that cherished the source material

(04:17):
and this is another thing that I say again and
again like a broken record, but whenever you see an adaptation,
the only way it can be good is when the
source material is respected and revered by the person who's
making it. Once again, you know, some people love it.
I don't hate it, you know. But the first live
action Batman movie we got, Tim Burton never even read

(04:39):
Batman because he just did his thing and it had
the best and I think he did pretty well for
someone who did not do it, because dragon Ball Evolution
was made by someone who didn't want dragon Ball, and
that was just I mean, the very the very first
Batman movie that we were treated to. Besides some of
the bogies, I'm chaking my fist at my radio, but

(05:00):
basically one of the it was almost like somebody It's
like that old parable of the three blind dudes who
touched the elephant and one of them touched the touch
the trunk, it says it's a big snake, and one
of them touched the legs that's a pillar, and one
of them touched the whatever, and they all have this
different seeing of it, right to like Tim Burton like
looked at the very very very surface, the very black,

(05:21):
dark Night got it and and did a movie that,
even with just that amount of information, really did it
pretty decent. Yeah yeah, I really and I you know,
I I really do still think his Batmobile was really
I liked it. I still to this day, I was like,
you nailed that. Batmobile is still one of my favorite batmobiles,
and I think it is I think the best one

(05:45):
that has been on the silver screen. I mean it is.
It is the Cadillac of bab Bobile. Of course, the
dude from Compain is gonna love the Cadillac of batmore.
But I mean, like you had the Tumbler, which eventually
did grow on me, but it was like, like it
was very much man, this is a whole I know
we're talking to X men, but there's a whole story

(06:07):
where you can really see what the creators going for
in their Batman based off the Batmobile because you look
at this like elegant, dark, sexy Batmobile. That's kind of
how you can kind of describe the first Batman because
when you got you know, the latex catwoman and like
just like they really ramped up the sex and her

(06:30):
and then you have you know, the functional realistic tumbler.
Yea like almost like realistically ugly, Like I think that
if Christopher Nolan was a fashion photographer, he'd spray on
acne on the ladies and stuff, you know what I mean,
you just do something to dirty it up, because he
thinks that real is an't aesthetic to aspire to very
much so, and that's and that was his Batman was

(06:51):
very realistic, but well as far as far as um
as far as the X Men go, though, when you
look at how realistic it is to try to put
seven the dang years of Cannon into a cartoon, you know,
at that time, at point at that point, you know,
like almost forty you know what I mean, trying to
discover how you're going to characterize all these characters, and

(07:11):
you know, there are certain shortcuts, like I remember Wolf
Lady death Strike was was in was in the series,
and he and she was more of like a lover
of Wolverine. Little changes like that that would make it
more engaging for an audience that hadn't read a thousand books.
But more the most part, like you said, keep into
the source material, so just to go down the the

(07:32):
bullet points as always. X Men also known as X Men,
the animated series or X Men, the TV series is
an American animated television show and a debuted in on
Halloween of what a weird day to debut a cartoon,
you know, the the day that the kids are most
likely going to be out. Let's let's debut a cartoon

(07:55):
and uh debut on the Fox Kids network. That was
four years after I was born. Now, yeah, I nailed it.
I'm usually not good at quick man. But X Men
was Marvel comics second attempt to add an animated TV show,
and it was after the pilot X Men. Pride spelled

(08:15):
pr I tried to like pronounce it differently. It was
very weird, but it spelled p r I d E
Y Kitty Pride. Yeah, and it wasn't picked up. So
but this this one was a smash Yet. Well, I
mean it seems like when you find the right team,
you know, things can happen, especially with Marvel properties. Back

(08:38):
then they didn't quite have all this control that we
envisioned them having. Right now, that kind of you're kind
of giving your baby up to a bunch of doing
to Korea. You're just like, let's try. Yeah. So, when
Margaret Loach became the head of the Fox Children's network,
which basically is the you know, Fox Kids. She was

(09:01):
the one who was kind of champion the pride of
X Men pilot back in nine, which is when they
tried to do it, which I'd love to see that,
you know, I want to know what the nineteen eighty
nine X Men animated series was versa. You know, they
had that animated movie where where Wolverine sounded Australian as
hell Man Mike on wolver Raine, you know. And it's

(09:24):
funny because before like comic books became this thing everyone
was aware of and paying attention to. I can see
how like someone would look at Wolverine go oh, that
dude's definitely austral They couldn't see Canada. It's so funny
that Wolverine is from Canada when he's such a hardcore
dude and Canadian is supposed to be so nice. Oh yeah,
It's like, I know, that is so funny. It's like, yeah, no,

(09:48):
that's it. And also I found it funny that they
did do the voice work and Canada. Yeah, they did
a bunch of voice work in Canada, and I think
that's funny. They cast a whole cat like I'm a
in a gambit in Canada. Hey Canadians, can you do
this casion accent? Oh? Man, that's so funny. H So,

(10:10):
Sabon Entertainment was the one who was contracted to produce
the show and ended up hiring the small studio Grass
Entertainment to produce the episodes because they didn't have staff
at the time to really do in house production. And
the Grass employed the creative staff wrote and designed each episode,
andrew the storyboards, and then the voice work was done using,

(10:30):
like you said, the Canadian actors, and it was a
Canadian in South Korean studio called a Calm Oh yeah,
and they were the ones actually animated the episodes after
looking at the storyboards from the Grass team. Yeah, exactly.
So you remember when I was being real funny about
it dropping on Halloween and we got a little more
info on that it was originally set to premiere over
Labor Day weekend, which sounds like it makes a lot

(10:51):
more sense, right, But they had some production delays and
that's why I got pushed through the end of October,
and when they turned in the first episode to contain
hundreds of animation errors which ACoM refused to fix. Uh,
that's that's such a baldy move where it's like you
you messed it up and you're like, nah, yeah, now
you told me, well, we're supposed to be black and

(11:14):
have a mohawk. I did it that way. You know,
that's supposed to be storm storm na on this. I
was gonna say email, but was email popping like that
back then? It had to be. It had to be.
I'm crazy. Well at this highest levels of the animation,
maybe it was. But yeah, so, but they had delays

(11:34):
and a bunch of errors across the first two episodes
I think, right, yeah, And the second episode ended up
being turned in like right before the deadline with fifty
scenes missing, a fifty whole scenes missing, so they only
had a day for editing, and they kept running into issues,
and Fox eventually, and honestly, hearing the story much too late,

(11:55):
kind of put their foot down and said that they're
all just canceled the contracts if they don't get it right.
So then they re air at the pilot in early
and all the errors were corrected and it was history
from there. Like it's funny. It's like, Oh, all they
had to do was be like we'll fire you. Oh
wait a minute, Okay, okay, well we do need a job,
so I'll take the mohawk off the Canadian guy. Yeah, yeah,

(12:18):
I guess, and we'll we'll see what we could do. Do.
I have to erase the lightning coming out of his
close though, because the people in the studio I thought
that was pretty dope. Now that has to go back
to But yeah, through the whole series run, the producers
had to deal with like those same quality control issues
because people kept trying to cut costs and then eventually
people were trying to change the tone of the series
to something more child friendly and you know, trying to

(12:40):
find a way to get toys to sell on the show,
which is like, oh, you want to sell toys, just
keep doing the show like that. That seems like the
easiest one, but that's a that's an interesting one, right there,
just be trying to make it child friendly because that
was like one of the big things I feel about
X Men was it was it was afraid to just

(13:01):
you know, treat its audience as a mature group of
people and just give you these stories. And we think
about that a lot, and that's why it's so funny
to see now where uh, you know, people will see
like the Regular Show and Adventure Times and be like, oh,
cartoons are so crazy now, and then you know, you know,
back in mind it was like what are you talking about?
Like X Men was like a straight up it was

(13:23):
a whole show built around allegory for racism. You know. Well, yeah,
And I also think that what's funny about the X
Men show as far as how we metabolize it as
they are kind of teen problems, you know what I mean,
They're they're teen problems that that little kids were like
trying to understand. Like there's a love triangle with the
Jean Gray and and and and cyclaps and Wolverine. There's uh,

(13:46):
the flirtation between Gambit and uh and Rogue. Yes, you
know what I mean, there's a lot of things that
like teens would relate to. Yeah, just that just to
focus on the Gavitt and Rogue too. That's a very
mature because you know, you have the love triangle, which
is a mature war relationship. But nothing's more mature than
I feel like that classic Rogue Gambit one because it's

(14:07):
the situation of like even if they did want to
pursue a relationship, they couldn't because rogues powers would murder gambit. Well,
I mean, and that's just as a kid when you're
just learning about sex to be like dang, I think
they should have did that when like a sex ad,
you know that there's some women that will take your soul,
some women I know that' that'd be the weirdest sex

(14:31):
ed where it's that'd be like a story Southern sex
ad where they just blame it all on the woman,
real eve status stuff. There's a real ruinous But the
bottom line is like it was a golden opportunity to
trick kids and to think that they're gonna lose their
powers if they if they have prepared and they wasted it.
They wasted it. They could have done so much more
of all the myths. You know what I'm saying, marijuana

(14:53):
is addictive, you know, all these different myths they dropped
on us. They could have did that one and maybe
saying some lives. So as far as the show goes,
they featured the X Men with the nineties look. I
feel like that's important to add because because because that
is a very specific look which ended up having that
yellow suit wolverine that hasn't went anywhere since since the

(15:16):
since it came in until like I liked brown suit,
brown suit Wolvey. Well, what was funny was he very
very first came out in the yellow suit and it
was almost like Daredevil's weird yellow suit. But it's like,
this is so ugly and weird, and these tiger stripes.
You're not a tiger, You're wolf. Wolvers don't have weird
tiger stripes. This whole thing doesn't make sense. You got
blue gloves, like just like stupid. And then and then

(15:40):
he kind of went to this really cool, like uh
Ninja Peladin muted color scheme with the brown and the
yellow brown and the tawny like a lion's color, and
the and the and the comic books and stuff. But yeah,
by the time that Jim Lee started drawing it again,
I mean Jim Lee can make any uniform look good.
Oh yeah, and know he was like He's like, no,

(16:01):
I like this weirdness. It's all about me. Jim Lee's
He's phenomenal. He's his footprints, footprints, he's stepping all over
the pages, his his fingerprints are all over this. Oh yea,
Because it definitely was kind of just borrowing from his
era of X Men and I got I gotta say,

(16:23):
being like a nineties kid, quote unquote, is you you
just love Jim Lee. It's all about the lines, you know,
lines on lines onlines, and the kids who are the
kids like me who are really into like I was
really into inking and I was like, yeah, man, you
guys don't appreciate Scott Williams all those little tick marks. Baby,

(16:44):
give me more tick marks. That means it's really there.
Even though it looks hella two D now you look
at and stuff generally just don't get it twisted. But like, yeah,
Jim Lee even said when he was designing a couple
of toys that it was revealed to him that he
draws hella two D. Like he doesn't draw three D.
He draws two D. He draws for a two D medium.
He's his Artsts have been ever heard that story of

(17:07):
how Jim Lee basically his parents were Korean obviously, and
his parents were like, yeah, man, you're gonna but you're
gonna be a doctor and all that jazz, and he's like, oh,
I'm not going to And basically he took he took
some years off of college and he ran on the
beach and drew comics all day. When he was running
on the beach, he would be like burn Miller Claire,

(17:29):
running like like like thinking of the type of person
he was going to be in comics and and his
body in shape too, and then he would sit for
like ten hours and draw comics and submit his packages
and stuff. And that's how he got in. That's awesome. So,
like you had to have his designs be that integral
to the company that they through a third party you
know what I'm saying to something like through through third
party transmission, his design still lasted. That's some heavy duty stuff.

(17:53):
Oh man, I mean, but that's that's what happens when
you want it that bad, you know, but you're just
like I need this, so then you just become the best.
But specifically, what we're talking about in the Gym Lie
era is the Blue team, which I guess we can
talk about the Blue and the Gold team. Yeah, which
one was Classes on it. It It looks like a fake

(18:14):
nerd right now, but I loved I loved Classes as anything.
I loved him throwing people. That was my fastball special. Yeah. Yeah,
that is going to be the gold team because the
Blue team is Cyclops team, which had Wolverine, Rogue, Storm Beast, Gambit, Jubilee,
Jean Gray, and Professor X, as well as morph this

(18:40):
this is on the show. Let me get the this
is on the show. Let me get the actual Blue team,
because I know more we got to talk about. We're
gonna talk about more, because that that is something. Even
with the second not as popular animated series X Men Evolution,
they had fun just adding a new character that everyone

(19:03):
made fun of. And I remember in high school. This
is that. Yeah, because high schools when Evolution came out.
And the reason I remember is because I think it
had to be like it had to be like seventh
or sixth grade. I was going in on on Spike,
who was there made up character, and man, this teacher
I think it was like I forget his name, but

(19:25):
he looked like Eric Banat and he got so mad.
He was like, he's like, Spike is actually a good character,
and he's trying to tell me why. I was like, look,
of course, you who look like Eric Banat is gonna
wanna stand for the weirdo character. Oh man, he's gonna
never listen to this. I was gonna say, he's gonna
listen to this. And so why. I don't know. He

(19:46):
was a nerd, so he might be like, oh, well,
he'd be very happy with how you turned out from
a little little jerk. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, I guess
you put that dork nerdiness to good use. So yeah,
So was it was that basically that Blue team who
came through, and yes, Colossus was on the Gold team.

(20:06):
But you know, you're you're saying how much you hate Morph.
We went into it, We touched on it with you
know how it was with Spike. Let's really jump into
it after the break and welcome back to nerdificent. That

(20:29):
was I think that was the most lax, you know,
lead into that break we've had. We were like, let's
just do five out rows. But yeah, back with Ed Greer,
we're talking X Men, the animated series, and you know,
they added once. So for the most part, the cast
consisted of what was known as a Blue Team at

(20:49):
the time, but we did go ahead and add an
extra character based off of change Link called Morph, which well,
but you know what's interesting about that. I do think
that the X Men even Morph is something that is
serious to X Men lore, because the X Men really
get off on the fact that like they can die,

(21:12):
you know what I mean, even though they've come back
a bunch of times in the comic books. We're talking
about the show, but everybody knows how often they come back.
In the comic books, all of them seem to have
been been killed at some point and come back or
been changed a little little versions of themselves or something
of that nature. But for the show, I think it
is important to show, in like a team setting, that
that yeah, we're all a bunch of kids doing a
bunch of high fluting adventures and they're fun and all,

(21:34):
but we can die. So they always put some extra
person like James Proud Star in the original you know,
giant size I mean, yeah, giant size X Men, somebody
that can die to show how dangerous the X Men
situation is. And I think Morph is another and a
long line of X Men just like red Shirts. Basically,
Oh my gosh, what's so funny? Is you know? I

(21:56):
I was just kind of looking up pictures of Morph
to to just look and I was like, oh yeah,
I totally did forget about this guy. And the first
thing I find my search is this Sci Fi Wire
article that's titled why Morph was the best character of
the X Men animated series. Well, do you know click
bait Reign Supreme? Yeah? Oh man, that seems really click

(22:23):
bitey to me, like because everybody who clicks on that
article wants to fight the person. That's the move. That's
how you do it, you know, like come fight me.
So we're talking about X Man and we're talking about how,
you know, kind of like teed off the the m
c U. Which is a good way to kind of
I like doing a call back into a segway because

(22:44):
I might as well just force it because that's super force.
But I'm gonna call back into a seguay. But when
you were talking about how it was the beginning of
the m c U, you we did have some crossovers
because we're talking about the Spider Man series. How there
were there was that crossover they had with the Spider
Man series. We had like Spider Man had to pick teams.

(23:07):
He first he needed some help with some mutations or something,
and then they had some kind of adventure where we
had to pick pick a team of heroes and he
picked Storm, which you know, what's what's great about it.
If if I might break into this when you're a
little kid looking at X men even in these in
these shows, you always try to identify one. It was like,
you know, pick your turtle, you know what type of
style and and so who who did you identify with?

(23:29):
Like we're talking about just a show, who is your
who is your person? Where you're just like men, yeah,
a little, a little if he's putting on a putting
some knives in his hands, or it was Wolverine, like
that's that's what's so funny about me. And I think
that's why I go so hard on like Vegeta heads.
It is because because like I was like the Wolverine character,
and I feel like the same type of person who

(23:51):
loves Wolverine is the same type of person who loves
Vegeta because they're like, you know, he's like the bad
dude and he does what he wants and he's like
edge and that's why I like him. And I feel
like that's the same thing for Veginta. Everyone's like, oh,
he has like character progression, you know he's but really
it's like he was bad, now he's good. That's the

(24:11):
character progression. Oh he loves his daughter, that's a character progression.
And then Goku is the dumb guy because he's like
loves to fight, and he's one note and goes, yeah,
he's he's written into that box. That's true. But like
he always I think the one thing everyone's like, oh,
Goku this, this, and it's and it's fun to have
this conversation without Danny here to interrupt and try and

(24:33):
put her two cents in. But she'll have some good points,
but they're a vein yeah, they're all that. She is
such a Vegita stand. I'm a Goku stand. But I
just like the concept of the idea of like always
giving someone a chance, like like, look, I don't want
to have to body you, like we could be friends.

(24:54):
We can use this energy to be better. But you
know I will if I have to. Well, yeah, I
mean as far as as far as Wolverine, I think
he was a big, a big stand. Like I said,
when I was a kid, I was a little chagrined
that they didn't do a bunch of Colossus on the
on the X Men show, because like that was my guy.
Like I just liked this purity of heart and it

(25:16):
was like one of those characters. It was the first
time I knew that I was rooting for somebody that
I was not, like, yeah, I am not like that
at all. I wish I was like that, dude, I'm
not like him at all. But on the team, I
think the only person I think I just rooted against
Gambit yeah as far as yeah, to take it back,

(25:37):
I have to take it back. It wasn't Wolverine. I
was a Gambit stand. I thought he was so cool,
like he always was getting the ladies. He was like,
you know he had those cards. He was like, look,
I was a huge It looked like if the Church
Cot Mafia went to Raves, you know what. Look, I
was all about it, and like I think I said

(25:59):
this before. I was all about gamm it until he
started getting bodied and Marvel Versus Cap coming, I was like,
I gotta find a new faith when that, you know,
because you know you want to when you play a
game like Marvel versus Cap come, You're like, I want
to pick my face, and when your face is getting
bodied by everyone else, That's what when I used to
play with on a sports note, when I played two

(26:20):
K with like teams that aren't good right now, but
I really like them, Like you learn how the tips
and tricks start beating people and then they're just like, man,
you're cheating, not just know my players. Dog. A fun
fact about the crossovers they were doing was the storyline
where like the Beyonder and Madam Webb or getting Spider
Man to lead like the heroes on an adventure, which

(26:41):
basically the one you were talking about with Storm. The
reason they wanted it to have all the X Men,
but they didn't do it because transporting the cast to
Los Angeles, where Spider Man was done from Canada was
too expensive, so they had to like just pick it,
just like them trying to get there. Also tryings playing
out of the Bill stuff, but they're just making a
bunch of that that's my flight, like, oh my gosh. Yeah,

(27:04):
so they so they just got it. Uh And and
basically Storm lived in Los Angeles, so just was a
no brainer. And yeah that's uh And and Hoke and
she Hulk, you know they they were in the incredible
Hulk animated series, but because it was on the rival
network up N, they couldn't do a crossover. Um and

(27:25):
I think this was before the underpay Negro Rose era.
You people's network, that's what you like. I always uh my,
my mom always called the underpaid Negro. I would there
you go. That's the different different forms of humor about
that situation that you ben man. The people who either
never had up n or didn't like grow up in

(27:47):
the US are gonna be like, what what are they
talking about? It was it was a CW before the
c W. Yeah it was, and imagine the CW, but
it's all black sitcoms for some reason. Yeah, Homeboys and
Outer Space. I'm just leave it right there. I'm just
leaving right there. But as far as speaking of Homeboys
and out of Space, it seems like that the X

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Men didn't go to space to like the third season.
It seems like they were they were kicking it on
Earth for a little bit. Oh yeah, and that's a
you know, that's something I get real hyped about. Uh
and I think we mentioned it on a previous episode,
the difference between like, you know, street level uh Marvel characters,
your your world level Marvel characters, and then your cosmic level.

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And and you know, if you did see this, you're
probably one of the main people who got hyped at
that in sneak peak at the end of Guardians of
the Galaxy because because that's that's really what introduced you know,
Gladiator when he came into the picture, and then we
started getting some Phoenix stuff too. Yeah, gosh. Well, and

(28:50):
the and the thing is I always loved when the
X Men went to space. You talked about that street
level slash, you know, Massachusetts level slash, your Madhatt level slash,
world level, and then cosmic. The X Men to me,
were the first people from Earth to go into space
and do major damage, you know what I mean, they
kind of went, especially with the whole ru Empire situation.

(29:13):
You know, uh, Professor X girlfriend taking him to space
and they're having some space adventures, getting involved in her
empire adventures. All that kind of stuff really showed me that, like,
these guys each have like one power, but all together
they're a cosmic entity almost like they can have an
effect on an interstellar war. They can. I think that's
the whole thing about the X Men that a lot
of people keyed on was like, especially like loners like me.

(29:37):
I was like, damn, I wish I had a squad.
Yeah yeah, yeah, And you're right, because like it was
the thing where their powers were kind of immense and
oftentimes written to be weaker than what like on paper,
they actually are like if you like, that's the X
Men classic conversations like okay, now O level gambit? Yeah yeah.

(30:00):
Which one of the things to let people like sleep
on is that Iceman is an Omega level mutant. Like,
and I feel like Iceman got a lot of crap
for some time where he's like, oh, you just you
could do the ice. He was like, well, he can
literally turn the atmosphere to ice, like that's how strong
he is. But they never explore that, except they did

(30:20):
have one comic where they have to kill Iceman. I
think because he goes bad it's super hard. Yeah, well,
I mean as far as as far as the X
Men goes, I mean each of their powers. I like
the fact that, like when they break them up into
factions and they make them in the sub teams. Part
of I think Professor X would really like to play

(30:41):
Madden or Clash of Clans or something, you know what
I mean, Like, I think he'd really love that type
of stuff because it's like, all right, I got my tank,
I got this guy, I got you know, I got
Wolverine to get shot up, a beast to jump around
like some pain. But yeah, I think I think It's
interesting that, like X Men's whole style throughout the series

(31:02):
and the com books and everything, they take on things
that could beat up a whole team. I think that's
also interesting. They hardly ever run into some sort of
They run into teams a lot, but the offer just
run into some dude Magneto, I'll take you all out, Juggernaut,
I'll take you'll all out. Oh yeah. And I think
it is the funny perfect beef of like Wolverines hate

(31:25):
for Magneto, where it's like, oh, you want to fight
the one dude, embody you easily, like the one dude.
It was like it would be if like Superman wanted
to fight Kryptonite Man all the time. It's like, this
is the one guy who like he really has no
problem with you. But that's the guy you want to
just go wild. Oh dude, that But that's Wolverine's personality

(31:47):
so much. It's like he's always trying to fight. Basically,
you're trying to mac on the girl who can hear
your thoughts, right, You're trying to take her from a
dude who could blast you from hell of far away.
You got you, sure, you got short arms, Sure had
to box the cyclaus you know what I mean, He's
just he's just he's a runt to the core, which

(32:09):
is why I kind of do like Wolverine. And I
think that's why a lot of people like him though,
because he is like almost this underdog who is like
his his his superpower amongst being like, you know, an
adamantium coded claw guy, which is like, let's let's just
reverse it back, because like a lot of people oftentimes
stakenly say, like, oh, Wolverine's power is adamantinium clausets like, No,

(32:33):
his power is bone claws and regeneration. They were coated
in animatium, and that's your I'm actually you can take
with you to work and drop anywhere you like. Also,
they're not a power because there's been several times when
Wolverine has been bound or some sort of situation where
they turned off his mutant powers and he just pops

(32:54):
his claws, you know what I mean. Because and what
was hilarious though, because if you, if somebody wanted to,
will actually trace busta bust to you on that. It's
like back in my day when I was a kid,
it seems like they had that they were supposedly in
bionic housings in his forearms that make them pop out,
and that's why they would always work. But if you
nified somebody's mutant abilities, could that limit them from tensing

(33:16):
their muscles or whatever that would pop out the clause
nerd talk, But like but yeah, you know what I mean,
there's all that kind of stuff that you get into
with Wolverine and with I used to love when they
would have um um Storm fight people because like, if
you think about it, Yeah, she's powerful, like ice Man.
There's so much stuff that she cast. Yeah, she's a guy.
You know. She controls the weather, and that is one

(33:38):
of those things that you know, where you right an
open book. There's so much you can do with it,
and so much that probably hasn't even been explored yet
with the ability to control the weather period. Yeah, and
the responsibility there in like does she feel bad with
like hurricanes happen? I know, like like you could have
stopped that you took a nap? Why will you take

(34:00):
get the nap now? And I love how they explore
even in the series, they explore a little bit about
her Her powers are are linked to her emotions, so
that when she gets in a bad mood. Like in
comic books. I'll love how sometimes she'll make a little
baby storm to like water a plant, you know, just
a little a little tiny thunderstorm with lightning and everything
to to water a plant or stuff that showing how

(34:21):
fine her control is. But in the show and the
TV series, um, it seems like they're more tied to
her emotions. You could get her flustered and then all
of a sudden the skies get dark. Yeah, but let's
just kind of bounce around and like talk about the
things that are because you know, and like you said,
in the third season, they went cosmic and that's kind
of when they started introducing a little bit of the

(34:42):
you know, you had the whole, uh, the phoenix thing.
But I think we should reverse just a little bit
and talk about the cast of characters. So because surprisingly
we didn't talk about that, because I feel like it's
weird when you do, when we do a nerdficent on
things like this that are so the zeitgeist that it's like, oh, yeah,

(35:02):
everyone kind of knows every x men. But let's just
do it and we can talk about how we feel
about each of them. First up in the foremost Cyclops. Uh.
He was the No, we'll get into this because I'm well,
we'll get into this because I've had an interesting relationship
with Cyclops. The Cyclops Okay, Scott Summers. He was voiced
by Norm Spencer, and he was basically the second in

(35:26):
command of the X Men, you know, obviously Professor X
being the top dog. He can fire concussive blast from
his eyes. Uh he not heat. Yeah, the bastards out there. Yeah,
it's concussive. Yeah, not heat. You're not burning. And he
and Jean Gray are in a relationship and apparently at

(35:50):
the end of the fourth season they get married when
Apocalypse has been you know, doing his dirty work. I
for the longest was not the biggest fan of Cyclaps.
I never liked them, and it was it's kind of
like my roles reversed an X Men, where like, you know,
I did not like how goody two shoes Cyclaus was.

(36:11):
He was the teacher's pet. He was, you know, I
I like, just something about that really made me dislike him.
In the only time I started liking Cyclaps and this
is gonna step out of the show and onto the
page a little more, was during once we got towards
um Avengers versus X Men, because I really like his

(36:32):
whole so his militant period, yeah, I didn't like that
at all. Actually, I think I started to like him
once he we got two Avengers versus X Men Cyclops,
because I felt like he finally was stepping up to
the plate as a leader into because it just always
felt like, you know, I think the best description is
right here, second in command. He never took initiative, and

(36:55):
I felt he was so emotional and there's so much
things he wished he could do and this, that and
the other, and he just never followed through with it
so well. I mean, I think I think what's interesting
about him is it takes a lot to be the
leader character. And I think that's one of the things
that is interesting about screenwriting is most people's original screenplays,

(37:17):
the main character is super flawless. Nobody has to tell
them nothing. Each of the character, everybody, all the characters
know everything that everybody is about to say, and the
conversation just flow like butter, you know, And there's there's
a there's a distinct, like a conflict. There's all these
different things and like they'll they'll be they'll never be
a character. I always had trouble writing the character that
goes damn Blade, that was tight what you did. Like,

(37:40):
I always hated writing that character. But you need that
character and fiction, there's got to be somebody that does
the moment for the audience to go, that's Michael Payne
your reacted to aunt man. You know what I mean.
It's really hard to write that character. And conversely, it's
hard to write the character that goes Wolverene. You shouldn't
go do that, stay back at the thing. Wow, Na, Bob,
I'm gonna go. You know what I mean. The guy
who's constantly telling people that they can't do stuff. That

(38:02):
the kind of Yoda character. They're supposed to be so
damn smart, but all their advice sucks. Yeah, you know
what I mean. That's a hard character, right, But also
it's it's it's understandable. You know, this is you know,
me older and having to take leadership on certain issues
you don't necessarily not want to go. I think the
most recent kind of element of this was in Destiny

(38:23):
to the Forsaken storyline, which you know, the the expansion
was built off this. So this isn't a spoiler, but
when Cade six dies and uh, Cora and the main
character want to get revenge. Uh, it's Zavala. The Titan
Guardian is like, yo, we shouldn't do that. We have
to protect the whole universe. We don't have time to

(38:46):
go into petty revenge fight. Everyone hated him for Everyone
was like, this guy sucks. He doesn't want and it's like,
I get why you're mad, but that is he is, right?
Is he is like we are whole home base. The
start of the expansion was it almost got destroyed. All
we were almost wiped out. So I can see why

(39:07):
from a leadership position you can't advise someone to go
do it, But if they go behind your back and
do it, you're not gonna be mad at him. Right, Well, yeah,
it's always there's it's always sucks to be the guy
who's going like we can't expend those resources or whatever.
That always is a sucky guy in movies and stuff.
But if anybody wants a story about Cyclops where he's

(39:27):
actually cool, there's Looking at Josh Weeden's run, he does
a really really good job of repurposing that whole legend
of him just basically being bequeathed the leadership role because
he had such a little confidence that Professor X was like,
if this was never gonna do anything, I gotta I
gotta make him the leader because he sucks otherwise, you
know what I mean, and just him been putting on

(39:47):
that role. And then there are certain things in the
Josh Weeden run that show you that Cyclouds is really smart,
really manipulative and very very very powerful when he when
he when he lets loose, and I think it's it's
just sad that it came that late. You know, so
many people kind of did write him as a stick
in them, but including in the show. But he does
get the girls. So yeah, So so that was this tradeoff. Yeah,

(40:08):
I think it was in in Schism where I really
where you really kind of see the because I forget
what came the timeline of those comics. So there was
schism that happened that basically split the X Men up
into Wolverines X Men and Cyclops X Men, and then
there was X Men versus the Avengers because all the
X Men get like Phoenix Force basically have become like

(40:31):
a big gang almost like what what that section of
Marvel comics was like, It was like the late nineties
of the Authority. They they were the super powerful wild
Star characters who basically ran their world. Yeah okay, so yeah, okay,
this does make sense. And so yeah, schism happened first,
and that's when I really was anti Scott. I was like, oh,

(40:52):
this guy's wag had a YadA YadA. And then the
Avengers versus X Men and they get the Phoenix Force.
Was it was pretty it was it was pretty hard,
Like I was against him, but I really respect the
stance he took. And then they became the Phoenix Force
and that was wild. That was That's a good read,
the Phoenix Squid Odd. Yeah, but yeah, so uh and

(41:13):
so yeah he was the leader that was kind of
a stick of the mud. Then at Wolverine, who everybody loved. Yeah, yeah,
everybody loves Wolverine because he's he's the he's a bad dude.
He writes motorcycles a logan. Anybody who's ever had a
skin knee wanted to be Wolverine. Yeah. So Wolverine was
voiced by Cathology Dodd. He's a mutant with regenerative healing factor,

(41:36):
heightened senses, and adamantium laced skeleton that render his bones,
virtually indestructible and retractable claws capable of cutting virtually anything.
He was attracted to Jeane, but decided not to come
between her and Scott after many attempts of coming in
between her. And that's the funniest part about that character description.
It's like, uh, it's like a, yeah, I I stopped

(41:59):
attempting the banks supermodel. No, no, you never had a chance.
You never got close. What are you? What are you doing?
He's like, all right, I'm done. You. I guess you
could have. But I think, you know, the more I
think about it, I can totally see why Wolverine is
so popular and why I might have hated uh, Scott
so much because Cyclops was the jock, he was the leader,

(42:19):
he was the goodie, he was the teacher's pet. He
was jacked, he had the girl, and he had this
guy Wolverine who everyone kind of looked down upon, didn't
trust he you know, he had this dark past, you know. Yeah,
he was Wolverine was an other in a group of others.
That's interesting, and they did treat him like like a

(42:40):
shelter pet, and he was significantly older than everybody. I
think that's something that is very lost on people understanding
the you know what I mean, Like most of the
time you think of Wolverine is just like a hairy
version of these kids, but like it's like two years old,
you know what I mean. And he's kicking it with
these kids and trying to like learn, and he's like
he's community college dog. Yeah, Like he's a strade community

(43:03):
college with powers, and he's chilling out in here and
all these dumb kids are all these pheromones are going
around and he's like, I want to get in on this,
but like chill out. Then we have Rogue, and she
possesses the uncontrollable ability to absorb memories, powers, and energy
of whoever she touches. But if Rogue holds onto someone

(43:24):
too long, their consciousness will be trapped in her subconscious
and she has permanently absorbed the superhero strength, durability, and
flight of Miss Marvel. It's Marvel left was left comatose
because of this. I think I missed that whole like explanation,
Oh yeah, that was that was way back in the
days for for comics fans. I was like, so was
this something that happened off the show? Oh yeah? And

(43:46):
then well, and I think I think they might have
referenced it a little bit, uh and in some way
to kind of see how that she did that. But
like rogues regular powers are pretty like I'm just walking
around and imagine if the Marvel movie comes out the
Fox Steel went through everything's good. We introduced the X
Men and they used they use that storyline and then

(44:09):
Brie Larson is one and done in the movie because
they're like, oh, she's incompetos. Now Rogue has her powers.
Fans would be so mad. Cut cut to the pager
in her hospital bed just shaking up. Yeah, and then
like but then it's picked up by Rogue, like he
fans would be so confused. Can you imagine if, like
if that was the end where like it's picked up

(44:30):
by because you'd be excited because it's the X Men,
but she'd be mad because you lost Miss Marvel. I mean,
I think where I think we could see a cool
do over where you could see that actual storyline come in,
you know when they when they get their stuff together
and get get other properties that to get along. We
could see a lot of these things. I liked Rogue

(44:51):
because she was always the person who out of these
X Men, besides like maybe say Nightcrawler and he wasn't
really on the show, but like, besides Nightcrawler, the one
whose power sucked the most, like messed our lives, you know,
because you know with with Scott Summers, she asked, you
gotta wear glasses all the time, even in the shower. Yeah,

(45:12):
it's so true. We never talked about that. Even in
the shower, you got to wear those glasses or you
blast in a hole in your shower exactly, so you
have to. So but for the most part, these people
didn't show any ill effects for their powers. But she
was unable to literally touch people, and we really really
discount how important that is. Yeah, oh man, that's so true.

(45:36):
But I still don't think she has the power that
sucks the most, and I think it's never dressed and
I would love it. Jubilee can only shoot finals. I
don't know how We've like let this go long enough
and I'm gonna just save the roast till we get
to her, because I'm gonna read her power what they
have the description, because I never read the description. I'm
a scoff at it. And then go into this rant

(45:57):
and I'm getting ready to Oh, let's give credit to
lenora'son she played in the thing. So all right, you
want to do Storm? Yeah, yeah, Storm, Aurora Monroe, uh
Iana Moors who we mentioned earlier in ninety three and
Alison Seeley Smith from to ninety seven. She's able to
control the weather. Like we said before, basically a goddess.

(46:19):
She's second in command of the X Men. Uh and
that that's a always been something cool that has not
been explored, but also something to complain about, Like it
seems like Storm is older than uh Scott yet yet
she can't get full control of the team. While we
giving into this new Scott, Storm is much more capable.

(46:39):
Well you know, you know what wo would be Uh,
it would be interesting to see them in the comic books.
They do have a real battle of our control. I'll
tell you who has control right now, and welcome back.
Ed hit me with that snee ad break. It's right,

(47:01):
We're back me and Ed Greer. We're gonna close out.
We're gonna say, go through the rest of these characters,
talk about the arcs, and then close it out for y'all.
I hope you're having fun, because we definitely are, because
we believe we didn't even do all these characters. But yeah,
we're talking about Storm, Auroral Monroe. She controls the weather.
She uh you know, like we were saying, she's basically Yeah,

(47:24):
there has been this thing where she's kind of been
like the other leader and honestly more capable than Scott.
And there has been runs where they did have like
a fight for power and she kind of like lead.
There were a few comics where she had her own
team and ran off and then what was the one
where it was all women and I think Storm led
that squad. Remember, I think that was all new all

(47:44):
different X men. Yeah, and uh, what's interesting about about
her is they do give her a little a few
weaknesses like a claustrophobia. Yeah, and uh, bad tasting dudes,
what do you are? You are you trying to come
at my man's and challa, Uh you know what, they're
not married, is all I'm saying. Look, and then last

(48:06):
that's the real Eric. Oh my gosh, that that made
me so mad when they broke them up. There was
no reason, like like that was so salty in comics
around that time, because they canceled Black Panther, they broke
up Aurora and because that was over the Avengance versus
X Men, speaking of which that's when they broke up,
and I was so pissed I would and they did

(48:29):
not red conn it. They did not get them back together.
They're just not together. Yeah, yeah, but it always I
don't know, man, I liked it enough, but I also
thought it was like, you know, you're two black nerd
friends at the party meet each other, and I was
there for to to two pieces of African royalty. I

(48:50):
was like, I'm here for it. You can tell, you
can tell who's the African in the room right now,
because I was like, yes, let's go. No, you're you're
You're right that that was It wasn't It wasn't Luke
Cage and Storm, Yeah it was. It was Storm. So
there's a there's a graduated Africanness, graduated Africanness. So then

(49:11):
we have a beast who I think is probably one
of the more popular X Men outside of like your Usual,
which is Dr Henry Hank McCoy, which was voiced by
George Bouza, and basically his mutation, I mean like he

(49:31):
got Harry and he got superhuman strength and agility, but
really it felt like his because he wasn't like out
here toss and toss and stuff, you know, like he
didn't feel like he had superhuman strength. He felt like
he had like the superhero human strength of like the
dude who plays the mountain on Game of Throb. Like
he's a power Like he's as strong as a power lifter,

(49:54):
not necessarily, and he can like read upside down like
that was his big thing that they love. They loved
having scenes where they walked in on him reading upside
down like that, why would you do that? That what?
I don't see that being comfortable even if you're a mutant.
But his superpower was blood did not rush to his head.
It's just kicking upside down all day. That's a secondary mutation.

(50:17):
He would just always be upside down like that that
house when you know, like you're like, how are we
gonna show that? This dude different that the animators that
their go to. But one thing about McCoy that I
thought was interesting was like, it is interesting how most
of the smart characters are always like jump around dudes,
you know what I mean? Like Captain America is supposed

(50:39):
to be super smart, Child is supposed to be super smart. Definitely,
there are they both are very super smart, but they're
supposed to be. That's part of their power, that's part
of your set. And uh, but there always are guys
who have to jump around and dodge, like they almost
never make a besides maybe at the Blue Marvel, which
is a whole other conversation, But dudes that are smart
and super powerful, you know, because even like Door is

(51:01):
a dumbass, which is a charming thing about him, but
no question, but he's not doing calculus. Yeah, he's definitely
not doing that. That is funny where it is that
kind of like, oh, we can't have you be smart
and buff, that's too much, right, So they kind of
nerve your power is a little bit so like all
the smart characters. Uh but yeah, I think that was
interesting that they used a little bit of his science stuff,

(51:23):
Like obviously there has to be some guy to fix
the jet. The movies really put him on jet fixing duty. Yeah,
that's you got the big, super strong blue guy. What
are you doing he fixing the jet? Just the mechanic. Uh. Yeah,
And he spent like the most of the first season
in prison because he was trying to destroy the government
records for registered mutants and that That was funny because

(51:47):
there was this cool blue dude and you didn't even
get to see him in action like that because he
was locked up. Yeah. Well, chapter in the cell, you
can't do flips. That's the real tragedy. There's no room
to flip in here. Well, here's a fun fact. Booza,
who voiced Hank McCoy, actually appeared in the two thousand
live action film playing a truck driver at the start

(52:08):
of the film, so he got Yeah, he was able
to come back like, yeah, what was good? So we
got my boy, uh and soon that Ed does not
care for gambit remy Lebou was by Chris Potter for
ninety six and Tony Daniels. He can charge any object
with explosive energy and just toss him. That's that's his power. Uh.

(52:32):
They only explode once he lets go of the object.
And he also wields the staff for close combat, which
which and he used playing cards. You know, I don't
know why you would use cards like that. That feels
like he's like took a magic class and I really
gotta get my money's worth. Well, I was talking to Uh,
I was talking to Aaron ram Powell who was on

(52:53):
here the last time I was on here, and he
was like, that's the type of thing you do when
you're a jail. Yeah, that's a jail skill, throwing hats
to the card over and overgain to the cards and
a hat over and over again. And so yeah, that
that seems And he was a thief, So there you go,
Well that's that's He's also one of those characters that
they never really explored like that because like for a while,

(53:16):
like that was his thing. He would just throw these
charge cards. He would throw these charge cards. You would
never see him like walk up to someone in charge.
Like he technically was a brutal he could he could
walk up to someone charged them and blow them up,
Like he could blow people up with his hands, but
he chooses to throw these weak cards. He could be blastar,
but he chooses to jump around. Yeah. But yeah, and

(53:38):
I should have liked him because I love me to
jump around character ter Spider Man, that was my man's.
They do it, the jumping around. I even like McCoy
a little bit, but just I just think he's jumping
around his inferior. But but you know the bottom line
is I should have liked him, but it just didn't
get over on me and I think I'm just that
little bit older than you to where they sold me
Wolverine as the ultimate and they had like a uh

(54:01):
danger room scene where where River with the Bow comes in,
a Gambit comes in and challenges Wolverine too, like a
fight and he smacks up Wolverine and I was like,
you know what, I'm out, I'm a little kid. Talk
about check please. I checked that comic into a fan.
I think it was into a fan like I'm good.

(54:21):
What was cool too? About Chris Potter who was voicing him.
He was actually filming Kung Fu the Legend of the
Legend Continues in Toronto, and he was unfamiliar with the
X Men, but David Carradine, who was a co star,
was a big fan of the comics, so he was like,
all right, I guess I'll do it if my man
daves about it fun even funner facts, so we know
he's an actor. He actually auditioned for the role of

(54:44):
Cyclops and uh the year two thousand, which makes you
wonder how different his career would be now if he
actually nailed that role. You know, I don't it was
I'm not trying to diss. I'm just saying I feel
like that kind of sounds like a dis win. You
say it, like, like how different joke rear b Now
he's he's he's doing well. I didn't know he was

(55:05):
also in Queer as Folk. I used to like love
that show. I did I know that. Yeah, I watched
it religiously because it was like my first like adult
show when I was growing up, Like when was it out?
From two thousands two thousand five, so yeah, my high
school years. And I was like, okay, cool. Of course,
you know, they showed boots, so that was like the
other thing and I was like, okay, I'm in um.

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Now we get to your girl Jubilation Lee Come On,
voiced by Allison Court. Come On, and she was the
newest and youngest member of the X Man. Come On,
and she's close to Wolverine. She's still getting your star powers,
which are the ability to generate firework like explosions. Alison Court,

(55:48):
Allison Court at Cathol Dodd had been neighbors when Court
was still a child and dad was already known as
an actor in Canada, and uh yeah. She attributes her
character's chemistry to them, you know, being acquainted before. But yeah,
you know they say firework like explosions, but you never
see it do any damage. Literally, anytime she uses it,

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someone is like like my eyes. In the Common Books,
they did have one that they went to, like mattap
or Or or Japan or something. By the way, if
you don't know, Mattaport is a fictional like is it
a country or it's like it's like a it's like
a crime island in X Men, where you when when
they're there, you're like, uh, we have to know good

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and Wolverine will be definitely involved. And so so basically
some bad stuff happened with the Mandarin or some jazz
they were trying to make like Jubilee into like a
weird gay share or something like trying to weird mind
transformer or something, and she spassed out and blew up
the whole like villa that they were in with an
immense show of power. But Chris claim Out was really
good for that, like every fitty issues that somebody would

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do something way beyond the power my favorite person. Boy.
I mean, you never like you never saw like they
say fire work like explosions, but if you watch the show,
they just look like fireworks period full stop. Hey man,
let me throw a bunch of m A d s
at your face. But they weren't popping like m A
d s. They're popping like sparklers, where it's like a stop,

(57:13):
get that out of my face. Like that's what it seems.
She looked like she was mildly inconveniencing someone. I think
it also it also comes with the fact that you're you're, you're.
You got the dude who was exploding playing cards, you
got someone controlling the weather, a guy with knives coming
out of his fist, soone, a woman who could suck

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the life out of someone just by touching them, a
guy shooting concussive blast out of his eyes, and what
is she doing? Fireworks? And it had that cheesy sound.
As a matter of fact, I'm glad we plugged in.
Um let's let's let me see if you can if
we can get that, uh that that sound effect that
would play when she did it. Someone did a compilation

(57:55):
of all of Jubilee scenes, which what okay? So in
that scene she blew up an arcade machine, the most
damaged I've seen her done in history. All right, here's
her versus a Sentinel. Perfect. Look, just listen to the
sound and I'm gonna describe what happened. She's putting her

(58:15):
hands up. Oh, hold on, we gotta just do the
full breakdown. Also, this is what Julilie wore for somebodys.
You wore a raincoat, some short shorts, some knee high boots,
a neon shirt, and some Bret Hart glasses. That was
the coolest thing about her is that for some reason
she was rocking the Bret Hart glasses. Well, she was.

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She was definitely a product of the nineties. Let's just
say that we were far enough long because I didn't
say nothing for a long time, because, you know, as
another person of color in this small, heavily white cast,
I didn't want to drag her like this. But we
were past this. We've we've we've you know, we've introduced
so many better X men who are people of color.
We the Hulk is Asian, I can finally dress. Do

(59:00):
you believe for how trash she was and why they
didn't make her powers better and anything, I'm not mad
at you believe, I'm mad at the creators for this.
So what just happened that sound was her fireworks that
looked like fireworks, and actually in that scene, the sentinel

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just put his hands up and it did nothing. It
just it was almost like the video was like, don't worry.
This is to prove everyone right when they're dragging you believe.
And then here's this scene. I actually do remember this,
and I still don't get it till this day. It's
been almost twenty years and I still don't get this.

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So she used her firework to just pop off metal
because it was when you remember that scene where she's
like captured and she's like, oh yeah, oh the inconsistencies.
Oh well, I mean like there's gonna be some Jubilee
gonna come from. I think they're like in one hundred.
The last thing that I'm that I'm come for is

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this name Jubilation Lee. And then it's Jubilee. Like it's
just like it's very obviously you came up with Jubilee first.
And lucky for her, she doesn't get the worst name. Ever,
that still goes to black Bolt whose real name do
you know? Black Bolt real name? Just say it? Black Agar,

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What come on? This is this? That's when you can tell,
oh you you were you came in early. Hey, what's up,
Luca Dondegstein, what's up, Cyan Klops Smith. Yeah, that's that's
pretty that's pretty brutal. Okay, So we gotta get to
the who I think are the almost King and Queen.

(01:00:47):
The next person we're gonna talk about is literally so
broken that they've killed her off for a year until
they realize they can go back and introduced the younger
version of herself and Rhett con from there. And that
person is Jean Gray, who eventually became Phoenix, who was
voiced by Katherine Disher. She's a telekinetic and a telepath.
She's in a relationship with Cyclops, but and they marry

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at the end of the fourth season when she's captured
by Apocalypse in a time space continuum, and Disher had
originally audition for the part of Storm and didn't get it.
Gene Um, Jean Gray is cool because you know, in
every instance of Jean Graff seen, she's kind of been
you know, they they've given like Storm and Cyclops like

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second in command, but really, and I call Cyclops the
teacher's pet, but really Jeane is Professor X as star student.
And I think it's because they kind of share the
same power and he recognizes that she can. She she's
that she's that woman. She can like do whatever. And
he's like, you're gonna surpass me one day. Literallyy know,

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she was gonna be even crazier. Well, and I think
what's interesting about her is she for all her teacher's petness,
they they kind of have her be also a little
bit rebellious because of the fact that, like there are
other forces that are trying to give her tutelage that
aren't Professor X. It seems like that's always happening in

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her or her clone when we'll get into that, but
like when whenever she's in there, there's always something trying
to whisper in her ear. And they show it as
the Phoenix Force, like, come on, baby, you could be
super powerful. You could rip up the planet. And he's
just like, I'm just trying to teach you how to
balance stuff, you know, and uh, make you guys not
look for these droids. I'm just I'm just trying to

(01:02:38):
teach her this stuff. But she's this Omega level thing
that he has almost wrangle. Yeah, and then we're gonna
close out with Professor X, who is you know, everyone
knows him he's the dude in the wheelchair, Professor X
Charles Xavier said, who was voiced by Cedric Smith, And
he's the founder and the leader of the X Men,

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and a powerful tell of path and an analogy for
Martin Luther King, which which you only understand when you
meet Magneto, the allegory for Malcolm X. But throughout the
series he fights for mutant rights while teaching his students
the importance of never giving an a temptation or lose
sight of what really matters, and to be patient and

(01:03:19):
when when when when over the humans through respect of
respectability politics, which you know you can be woken mad
about it, but the fact that it never works in
the history of X Men. You you can just be like, well,
we know the X Men try to tell you don't work,
to told you it don't work, Professor X all this time,
but trying it don't work. Well, I mean, it's also

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just the whole the whole allegory. I'm not gonna get
too heavy, but you know they'll kill you if you'll
wear a suit too. Yeah, you know what I mean,
And that that's kind of his whole thing. He's so presentable,
there's so many early X Men ad ventures where he
like calls out the White House or the White House
talk somebody says, yeah, I'm gonna send the next man.
We're gonna do some stuff with the president is friendly
with him and stuff. They kind of threw that out
the window, like there was like Martin Luther King didn't

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have the presidents here. Yeah, you know what I mean,
he still was. I mean, if you see the movie Selma,
you'll see that they were on the phone back and forth.
Oh yeah, there you go. Oh no, no, no, no,
no no, I was just I was agreeing with you.
I don't know if I think that was one of
the criticisms of Selma is that like he's like literally
on the phone with like Lyndon B. Johnson and people
like what yeah, because I, like I said, if that's

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beyond my knowledge that that that that all happened. But
you know, the bottom line is he's the he's the
good one, and even the good ones and get a
bunch of violence sections and sitting those busting out your door.
You know, that doesn't really pay to be a good
one sometimes. And uh, and I think he finds that
out over the course of time, which is why when
when Cyclops becomes more Malcolm X later in the comic

(01:04:45):
books especially, it's a weird friction. Yeah, we looked it up.
We went and fact check. This is nerdificent, not woke efficent,
so you're not gonna be but yeah, no, there's a
photo op of lb J with Martin Luther King. I'm sorry,
AVA should have believed you don't dread me. I love you.
I promise you i'd love you. But it's just I

(01:05:07):
think it's a testament to our generation not believing anything
nice like that could ever. Yeah, or and at least
we didn't put it down as just a photoshop. You know.
James Brown kicked it with Nixon too. I mean, oh
my gosh, it look has been a long week. We're
going off the rails. I'm gonna talk about there. There's

(01:05:30):
some favorite episodes, but there's one I really want to
land on because I think we can talk about it
and I can, like, I like, well, we'll say our
favorite or most remembered episodes and then we'll close it
out like that. But the one I want to just
talk about because it's on this list that that comic
book dot com put together as favorite episodes. But I
want to talk about it from my perspective, and now

(01:05:52):
that we gave you the low down, we can just
talk a little more freely. Is the Night of the Sentinels.
It was probably gonna be on everyone's lip. It was
the pilot episode. And what happens in this episode is
Professor X is they basically go to pick up Jubilee
from her family because the Sentinels are on the loose

(01:06:12):
and they're trying to get rid of mutants, and that's
pretty much a running thing and X men as the
Sentinels come out and they tear stuff up out at night,
and it was it was like us a one pilot,
because any pilot where you're adding someone new to something
is just the perfect writing device because now you have
to introduce all of these people to this one person,

(01:06:34):
which in turn introduces the audience to all these people.
But also you're getting the reality of everything at Steak,
because not only is this new Parsons coming to the
team and they're just introducing it, they're explaining to Jubilee's
parents why she should go off with this weird man
in a wheelchair and and like leave her family because

(01:06:55):
she's not safe. She's at risk she started showing signs
of mutant powers and and it's us kind of it's
it's almost like a perfect pilot for a show like
this too late. The groundwork of the world and what's
what's at stake, who's on the team, and uh, you know,
if if you were going to check out an episode,
I'd say check that out. They were giving it out.

(01:07:17):
There was a deal on Pizza Hut when they were
giving out X Men where they gave out a VHS
with that. I wonder if it's still at my dad's house. Oh,
that's that's excellent. And they I also think if we're
going in episodes, um, the episode where they introduced Magneto,
Oh yeah, I think it's really interesting to introduce to
kids the concept of somebody who like hates people, yeah,

(01:07:40):
you know what I mean, and and and just hates humans.
Like the concept of like basically racism, you know what
I mean, And his his racism, his being the hate
that hate produced. Let's not getting twisted, you know what
I mean. His hate is the hate that hate produced.
And to have little kids seeing that and knowing that
that's a real thing, that was very interesting to me.
Oh man, And we can talk a billion years about Magneto.

(01:08:03):
But the bottom line is Magneto in the series was
very much like he is in the comic books. There's
always that relationship with with Xavier. There's the Martin Luther
King Malcolm X aspect, but there's also just the only thing,
the only thing I'll have a beef with it with
x Men at all is the expediency and the brutality
that Magneto is almost always willing to work with. And

(01:08:23):
I don't think that that was Malcolm X at all.
I mean, you see died a man of peace, you
know what I mean, So that that part was a
little bit like you know. But but of course calling
him the mutant Honorable Elijah Mohammed, it doesn't quite sell.
You know. That's a little bit too much of a
deep cut, you know, like like Rod because he's half

(01:08:44):
a man Age plus seven. Anyway, anyway, we're gonna get that.
But anyway, the bottom line is Magneto in the series
was very cool, and they they did end up touching
on iconic storylines like like the Phoenix saga, which we
touched on earlier, uh and even Days of the Future past.
They had they had like a bishop playing that like
Kitty Pride from the movie and Kitty Pride, uh, Wolverine

(01:09:05):
from the movie Kitty Pride from the actual comic books.
They transpose those characters have just made it into a
Bishop who comes back to kind of tell the X man,
hey man, you're messing up. Look at this him on
my face dog things yeah, things with horrible which I love. Bishop.
Bishop was typed because he had a perm bandanna and

(01:09:26):
a big gun, and I was all about it. I
was like, I've I've been waiting for that cosplay. I
need to do a Bishop all this time. I have
a challenge for you. Look up the Joe Jessico uh
and people at home. Look at the Joe Jessico Marvel
card series pictures of Bishop. I want you to coshplay
as that Bishop, not Will's Portatio, Scratchy Lion Bishop, not that,

(01:09:50):
not the one that Larry Stroman drew in a limited series,
not any of that stuff. That particular tight pants Joe Jessico,
muscle muscle bound, uh. Bishop. I challenge you to cosplays.
We're talking about this one right here. Uh yeah, but
like the more painted ones. But yeah, yeah, but like
that style though we got you got the bandana on
and everything. Yeah, oh yeah, that's the you know, that's

(01:10:12):
the one I was trying to do. Yeah, you just
you look like a prince and controversy like the barge.
He looked like he looked like the barge from the future.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, geez, Louise, okay, um, look, we
gotta get out of here. It's been fun. We've been
going for a long time, but we've been having fun.

(01:10:35):
I hope you enjoyed it. Uh, you know, I hope
all the fernis aren't too hot that you know, Danny
hasn't been able to make it, but she'll be back soon.
Until then, we'll have our friend ed hang out. How
does that sound? But yeah, where can people find you? Ed?
Oh at Edgar Destroys on Twitter and at Edgar Destroys

(01:10:55):
on Instagram. I do lots of art and stuff on
Instagram that I'd love for people to like and on
And they can check me out at my nerd go
to podcast nerd, go to podcast dot com. Yeah, and
also Ed drew a whole Overraine during while we recorded this,
and I'll make sure yeah yeah, but it will put
it in this show notes and you know, what's your Boy?
If the why the W I F Y n W

(01:11:16):
A d I W E on Twitter and Instagram, if
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We'll put the time on. I'm just kidding. You don't

(01:11:36):
have to give me an Apple Watch. But I will
be up in San Francisco from San Francisco Sketch Fest
on January nineteen. I'll be doing two shows. At nine thirty,
I'll be doing live at the nine thirty or nine pm,
either way. Go to the web side you can check
it out. I'll be doing live at the Alumo. I'll
be doing some stand up and then at ten pm
White Women will be doing your Token Friend live and

(01:11:57):
direct with the guests we're still picking out. It's gonna
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With Andrew T Tawny Newsom. It's gonna be a good time.
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(01:12:18):
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