Episode 52: 'Game of Thrones' RECAP

Hello, people of the North! Today the gang is gearing up for the final season of 'Game of Thrones'. Need to catch up before season 8? We got you! With the help of tech and gaming host Trisha Hershberger, Dani and Ify delve into their favorite moments from the show and books. SEASON 1-7 SPOILERS AHEAD !!!

FOOTNOTES:

The Books and The Show

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nedificent. I
am one half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and sitting
across from me as always is, if you want what,
how's everybody doing? How's everyone feeling? I hope everyone is
feeling great. I feel good, Iffy if that was specifically
to me, Yeah, no, I'm feeling all right. You know.
I had my brother's bachelor party of this past Yeah,

(00:32):
can you talk about that at all? I mean I
up until until a point yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,
we went to a brewery that was great. You know,
that was a good time. Uh got to taste some
different flavored beer. Coachella Valley Brewing Company. Really, they took
good care of us. They you know, when I was
getting ready to pay, I was gonna go to pay

(00:52):
for my brother who is the bachelor, and he was like, oh,
we already took care of the bachelor. And that was
real sweet of them. So shout them out. Go down there, delicious, Bruce.
I'm a big sweet brew They they had brewery tours
at like six and we ended up the lift driver
was wild out of this world and ended up getting

(01:13):
us their six fifteen and I was like, I don't
know if we can still squeeze one in there, like yeah,
no problem, and they took us and we were like
it was so funny, so full disclosure, like me and
my brother, like I said, I'm from Compton. These are
all our friends mostly from Compton. Rudy who's our cousin,
also from Compton, and so like when I was like, yeah,
we're gonna go to uh this this brewery, and they

(01:37):
all looked at so we're just gonna drink beers and
I was like, well there's more there. They like taste good,
they're like craft beers. And I'm like and I could
tell no one, no one was really really on the
on on the train and then like everyone got their
first round and like tasted on and then we went
on the tour. Everyone was locked in and then by

(01:59):
then we're getting a little toasty, so we're super in.
I this weekend went to wonder Con and I don't
know if you saw my pictures, but it was also
wild who were getting wild? Did you see my Chippendales?
It was Chippendale the rescue rangers dressed up like chippen nails.
The strippers they were in like g strings, they had
little dollar bills. They even had a radio that they

(02:21):
took with them and it would like blast music that
they would dance to. And Ben Simon, my friend who's
also on Crazy Ex Girlfriend, he pointed out and he
was like, Oh, that's the radio from a brave little toaster.
So did the full callback and not only did I
stop them, but later when I was on a panel,
they were sitting in the audience of my panel and
they're like, Hey, we we like that interaction we had earlier.

(02:44):
We're gonna come and made them get up and uh
and show themselves. Show yourself, show what the word that
you've done. Yeah, it was a spicy con. There are
a lot of spicies. Somebody else was there that had
the panel right before mine, and it is our lovely
guest today. She's a tech and gaming host, Tricia Hershberger.
Thank you for having me. Yeah, you were literally coming

(03:06):
off your panel as I was going onto onto the stage. Ye.
What panel was that. I'm trying to think which one
was right before yours. I believe it was the Building
a Geek brand panel. So just kind of, you know,
telling people how you can turn your passion into your
living and giving advice to people who are maybe still
in the start up phase. So a lot of Q

(03:27):
and A in that panel to help everybody tackle their
individual challenges. But it was really fun. Yeah. I think
the panel that I had, weirdly right after yours was
my LGBT and minority host how to break Through, so
kind of the same thing. Yeah, lots of info nuggets,
how to do what we what we do, But you're right,
wonder Con was totally wild. I saw some out of

(03:49):
this World cause plays. Um. I also saw the Chippendale
Dancing Chippendale, which was hilarious. But yeah, some really really
fun crossover stuff. I met a guy at Latino Underscore
Joker on Instagram who did the best Joker makeup I
think I may have ever seen in a cosplay. He
was amazing. Um, And I saw a Janine with the Ghostbusters,

(04:13):
but like a Janine all packed out and ready to
go fight some ghosts, which as a kid that watched
the eighties cartoon all the time in the nineties cartoon,
that was a big deal for me to see Janine.
So I got my picture with Janine. Some guy committed
as Lego Batman and he was like three times my size,
like he was actually in this boxing as a lego
batman and I'm like, how is he walking? I mean

(04:36):
the commitment. I yeah, I posted on like my instant stories. Yeah.
One Comic Con I dressed up. My buddy had a
web comment called Glamorrock Gorilla and I just so happened
to have a gorilla outfit and he had this leather
jacket made. That was what the gorilla ward in the
web comics. So I walked around in a gorilla costume,
wearing a leather jacket on top of the gorilla costume,

(04:57):
and it was hot, it was it was not fun.
So that's why whenever I see these like full suit costplays,
I'm like, I respect you because I've been there and
it's hot and good friend. Yeah, you know, I'd like
to support people, and it's it's it's not a new thing.
I've always supported the homies brands. That is also why
when you see some of us that are in not

(05:17):
very much clothing, that is why. Because Comic Con is
in July in the summer and it's hot as hell
out in San Diego. So, um, we all know what
happened if he when I broke my um, I was
wearing a one piece too. Right before my Nerdice panel,
I was at Skybound doing a panel and I went
to the bathroom with Rika Ishi, who's one of our friends,

(05:38):
and um my zipper broke like just completely. So it
was like down to my navel was just everything was out.
Oh no. Yeah. So if he said no, just rocket,
it's a look and I'm like, yeah, no, if I
like turned to the side, you know what I mean.
I was like, if I turned to a side, I'm
going to be in trouble. Look at some people on
the stream, because not only was Nerdiced, um we did

(06:00):
a live show, but there was also a stream two
of our live show, and so I was like, some people, look,
I don't care if you see you know, boobs might
allowed to say that on here. I don't care if
you see a boob, um, but I think some people
in the stream might care. Some people in the stream
might not care, but then some people will care. Anyways. Yeah,

(06:21):
there's those castplay repair carts that run around now. By
the way, should you have that happen at a future con?
There are cosplay of repair people that are actually a
lot of times their crafters and costumers themselves that instead
of cause playing at the con want to just like
do a good deed and run around and we'll fix
your cause plays for free. Oh my gosh, I would
have paid them. Nobody had safety pins, nobody had tape.

(06:43):
It was a nightmare. Yeah, I mean, speaking of boobs. Today,
we're here to talk about the Game of Thrones from
the books to the TV series. I mean, I feel
like that's that's kind of like the same way kind
of you get the you know, nerd world in intersecting
with the mainstream. I feel like Game of Thrones was

(07:03):
like one of the more recent nerd property, nerd properties
that got like the mainstream interested. And I think, you know,
being as like R rated as it is is what
got people going because they're like, yeah, this isn't like
Harry Potter Man, there's like boobs, and well, let me
just tell you there's tons of boobs in the books too.

(07:24):
And the books were around way before the show and
they were not mainstream. Like if you were like, oh, man,
I want to share this very large book with you
by a man named George R. Martin, people were like,
get out of here with that stuff. But now that
it's a TV show, when it's on HBO. Everybody's loving it, Fatricia.
I grew up with boobs and anime and Hentie, so
I hear you before it was big. But you know, also,

(07:49):
what's crazy about it is if you were like if
you did reel someone in and they're like, yeah, yeah, okay,
I'm in, and when can I expect the next book?
And you have to be like, I don't know, maybe
in a decade we see oh yeah the space between
these books and make me glad that I got into
it when I did, because I would have lost my

(08:10):
mind because I was on the internet very early, so
I would have been banned from the Internet way quicker
because I would have been yelling at George armanin when's
the next book coming out? Dude? So many people do that.
He's like, so over it? Have you sure? Have you
seen his interviews where like people are like him, what
do you? What do you say to the people that think,
due to your health, you're not going to make it
to finish the next book? And he just flips off

(08:31):
the camera. He's like, so over it. So that's a
gross question to ask somebody, So die before you might
die before this comes out? What do you how do
you feel about under normal circumstances, I think it was
it would be a gross scaracter. But this man has
waited ten to fifteen years between books. And if you're

(08:52):
how many books are in the series right now, like
I think five or six, so you're six books and
you're like, I might not see how this is. I
think we've gotten excerpts from the six. Really listen, Brad
Bird took fourteen years before Incredibles to that's also true.
There are people who, I mean, let's not even get
started on Kingdom Hearts three, Like, there are people who

(09:13):
did not live to see I Love. It's been like
hit or Mess. But it's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous game.
There are plot holes everywhere. It's the most convoluted narrative
that ever exists. But let me just tell you when
the teacups come out from the ground and start slaughtering people,
it is awesome. I guess we should have mentioned that

(09:36):
this is a spoiler. This is going to be spoiler
heavy for a Game of Thrones if you haven't seen it.
It's kind of hard to tackle the series as we
go into season by season without spoiling something. So if
that does bother you and you're planning to, I don't know,
catch it and binge it before it comes out this weekend.
You might wanna take a not a nightcap, you might

(09:59):
want a nightcap and all so rain check, that's the
word I was looking for. Yeah, So just before we
go into the meat of the books, just so people
are just really understanding what I'm talking about. Game of
Thrones was published in nine six sequel A Clash of Kings,
not bad, right, Storm of Swords in the year two thousand, alright,

(10:22):
not bad? Uh, And then in November two thousand and five,
A Feast for Crows, the fourth novel comes out, and
you're like, all right, that's a bit longer. And then
the fifth book, A Dance with Dragons, is published in
two thousand and eleven, six years later, and I think
that's where we last left off, and it is now

(10:46):
we've been getting teased with excerpts excerpts, and it is
two thousand nineteen. So we went from two years to
five years to six years to now we are eight
years in counting to be fair, the man executive produced
is lots of different titles and stuff. Now his career
has blossomed also, Yeah, because he's definitely made that shift

(11:06):
in the TV which you know, based on want to
hear writing money is versus TV money. I can see
why he's like, oh, this is going wait while I
make this money money. Uh and he actually is eping
a Nigerian offer neca for who I knew about before.
You know, the brothers came on to talk about it

(11:27):
and I was very interesting. So it was a very
small world moment when they're like, oh, she's our mentor.
Uh so so yeah, so nice little callback. Let's jump
in two Game of Thrones. Yes, so, um, Tricia, what
what so? You read the books? When did you first
get your hands on them? Like, how old were you
and what was Let's see, was it when they came

(11:49):
out or was it years after I was in my
late teens? Yeah, I was in my late teens, so
it would have been after probably after the first three
were already out. Um, and that's when I got the
first one and I actually picked up and put it
back down three times before I finished it. Yeah, let's
talk about that because off air you were mentioning that
you read a lot of fantasy novels. I'm more of

(12:11):
a sci fi guy. Um, but you were saying how
it was a hard read and how like with me
there was no frame of reference. I think Game of
Thrones was my first fantasy in since I was very little.
I was like, way too young. I think I was
in third or fourth grade, maybe seventh when I first
tried to pick up the Hobbit and it just wasn't
popping off the page. How I wanted to Yeah, not

(12:33):
to seven year old Iffy, But this was seven year
old Iffy who already found anime. So like, this needs
to go which which is you know, also ironic since
I watched DBZ, which takes a moment to get to
the action. But with me, I was like, no, I
wanted the goblin stabbing something page three. Uh. But so, like,
what were the types of fantasy novels you were reading

(12:55):
before you decided to pick up a Game of Throne,
Lord of the Rings? Um A lot of the books
in the Token Verse, the dragon Lance novels back in
the day, So that's the kind of stuff I was into.
So I was into kind of high fantasy, Like I
like my magic, I like my dragons, and uh, the
first Game of Thrones book doesn't have a lot of that.
The first book is a lot of politics, which this

(13:18):
series I feel like does a lot better than the
book does. So you're going through the book and you know,
there are parts that are incredibly slow and drawn out,
and a lot of In most fantasy novels, a lot
of the characters either have multiple names or have names
that sound very similar, so you're constantly flipping to the
back of the book to remember who's who, without having

(13:39):
the benefit that we now have of the show where
we can visualize the character to put with a name. Um.
So I found the first book to be a very
hard read until I got to the end, which, again
we're spoiler alerting this if you've watched seasons one through seven,
come on with us for this ride until the end
of the first book, which ends much like the end
of the first season with denari'skving birth to the Three Dragons.

(14:01):
So at that point I was like, oh, where's the
next book? I'm so is until then I was like,
this is politics. Yeah, that's that's that's really what it was.
And to me, I was as a sci fi guy
that I was into that because sci fi is a
lot of like hyper politics and and and you know space,
you know, like very bureaucratic in their like space wars

(14:23):
and exchanges of power. So I was like locked in
and that I had to And funny enough, even with
all that, I still had that same moment where I
was like, oh, dragons are real, because like in throughout
the first book, it's almost like it's fable. Those times
are pasted, there are no and so you're like, I
was like, Okay, so this is gonna be a fantasy

(14:43):
that doesn't do much fantasy. And then they're like, nope,
psych that's the wrong number. And actually, I take that
back the very beginning snippet In the beginning of the book,
there's magic and fantasy and then you forget about it
for the whole rest of the book. But the first
season does that exact same thing, where we get that
scene with the White Walkers in the very beginning, and

(15:05):
then it skips all the way well I shouldn't say
it skips, but then politics, politics, politics, all the way
to the magic at the end of the first season.
But I think if you're going back to what you
were saying about having that more mass appeal, I think
the fact that it is so grounded in kind of
reality and the politics of it all is what brings
in your mainstream viewing public, because I think if they
saw magic and dragons and all that right from the beginning,

(15:27):
they wouldn't believe it, Whereas now they're already invested in
the reality of that world, so they're more apt to believe,
Oh crap, there's dragons. You know. That's that's a good
point because there are like I have talked to friends
who are trying to get their friends into the show
now and it's kind of being that same argument. Was like, oh,
you mean the Dragon show, And it was like to

(15:49):
to call it the dragon show when we have waited
and worked so hard to to to get to the dragons.
It is true. Well, and you know, right before, so
if we're talking about the show right before Game of Thrones,
that slot was True Blood and I grew up like
I was watching True Blood. Same thing. Yeah, vampires, a

(16:10):
lot of sex. Yes, that's how they got people in.
I mean, wow, wow, first episode. Wow, this is how
much of a hyper nerd. I was just like, oh,
you get to see rogues boobs. I mean, but I
agree because so I remember like everyone, oh yeah, everyone

(16:31):
in my family watched it. I remember, like my I
would go over and watch it with my cousin and
her husband, and it was like, so, I don't know,
so raunchy, but like they weren't into sci fi fantasy
and that type of stuff, like that type of lure,
and I think because they kind of made it like,
oh no, it's kind of like a soap opera slash
drama slash just skinnamax essentially is what helps get it

(16:55):
get it in. And True Blood actually calmed down a
bit after that first season. That first season, but it
got hella magical. The sex came down and then it
was like fairies and all the you know, any of
these Suckie Stackhouse books so very similar to the Game
of Thrones. The books are like those books are like
you know, you're, You're, They're very lots of sex scenes,

(17:19):
very very into it. Like it wasn't quite shades of
it wasn't quite there, but it definitely was like the
book club was like, oh, we're gonna read about this
type of stuff. And I only knew about it because
I was funny enough. True Blood was deep into my
headspace because the person I was dating at the time
was a big fan of the Sukie Stackhouse books, big fan,

(17:41):
and you know she was from Utah, so you know
that was real spicy out there. They're like, hold up,
hold up, we're getting getting a little taste there. So yeah,
that's and I think, yeah, the same thing where you
just grounded in enough reality and kind of almost in
the same way the m C you kind of pulls
in regular people where you just kind of find that
other genres. So there is this its core if you

(18:04):
eject all of the magic. Game of Thrones is a
show about politics, and I think True Blood was about
kind of like a soap opera that but like that,
I don't. I hate using the term because we kind
of I want to say like high soap soap opera,
because there are like soap opera s shows that seem
more mainstream than actual soap operas. But I think it's

(18:26):
you just call it soap opera because you know the
new thing. I was saying, like with movies like Hereditary
and and Us, should there be a term called elevated horrors? Like, no,
it's horror. It's the same horror. Just because you feel
smarter doesn't mean you have to try and alienate people
when you like it. So that's why I was against
calling it like high soap opera, but like, yeah, that's

(18:46):
soap opera. Yeah, but you're right, Danny, that that show
ended and it left the people that watch True Blood
with on Sunday night. I was one of those people.
I mean, I watched True Blood at the end, even
though I was like, this show is not good anymore,
and I don't care. I'm still watching it and yeah,
then what am I going to do with my Sunday nights? Boom?
Game of Throne? So before we hop into season two

(19:08):
in the second book, we are going to take a
quick break and we're back. I forgot to tell you that. Okay,
so I had I had never seen Game of Thrones,
but I like, at least for the first couple of seasons.

(19:29):
But it was so prevalent online that I did uh
movie fights about it at screen junkies, and I won
my round against people that actually watched it. But that's
just because it's such in the zeit guy, So right,
I knew all the memes, I knew all the characters
people made fun of. I knew the stuff that had happened.
Like that's just because I live online, So that isn't

(19:49):
that funny? Like Yeah. Also, I don't think that they
knew that I picked are yet, Like I think you
had to pick like the strongest character, and I picked
or like the best. You had to argue when I
picked her, And it was just also because I knew
so much about it just from being on Twitter constantly. Yeah,
And I mean the characters that are the strongest in
this series change for the season a season, which is

(20:09):
I think what makes it such an interesting series. Um
and Danny, you were mentioning before we started recording that
you felt like there was a lot of stuff going
on with the male female dynamic in the series that
you weren't so thrilled with, And uh, that starts to shift,
And I mean where we are now, it's definitely I
would argue more prominent women that are main players than men. Um.

(20:33):
But yeah, I mean it's it's got some really strong
female characters. Are you being one of them? But depending
which season, Like a lot of people thought Sanza was
a big pushover for a long time now frustrating, but
that's like she was written better in the books. Oh yeah,
Like because I only saw bits and pieces of Sanza

(20:55):
because full disclosure, I've read the books, but I only
watched my episode of Gay of Thrones episode which was
the one where she where Aria. We're going to jump ahead,
but just so Trish knows what where Aria meets the
dude who's teaching her of the Yeah, and she like

(21:16):
she dips. She's like, that's my first curse drop on
the second one. I'm usually the clean one, and Danny's
hard to talk about Game of Thrones without having a
curse drop. Also, like I just came from stream and
so you know, I get real loosely with the lips um.
But yeah, basically, like it is cool seeing because the

(21:40):
more I think about it, I feel like Aria is
supposed to be the viewer because it's that kind of
that that dated, like not dated, but definitely like the
fantasy reader's mindset of like I gotta kill this person
and this person, this person, and they constantly show us
how she just doesn't have the power to do you
that yet. Boy, you gotta watch that show. But I

(22:03):
know she slowly starts to get it, and there's something
about that vengeance in a world that's just been so
cruel to these people. I mean, there are people who
would argue that right now, Aria is a psychopath homicidal
maniac like has lost It is so off the deep
end because now she most definitely does have the power

(22:26):
to do it, maybe even more so than anyone else
in this series. Um So, are r is terrifying? Right?
Moving into season eight, um I think at this point
it's safe to say this is going to give you
all the information you need to walk into the next
season of Game and Thrones. Yeah, so that's what I
tried to, like bullet point the main things against season

(22:46):
that you would need to know if you were just like, Okay,
I don't have time to rewatch them all, but I
want a little refresher. Yeah, let's talk about season two then, okay,
well for season one. The other big thing that we
didn't talk about yet is ned starks execution, which is right,
so you've seen the me how you've seen them leave.
It's really just the show setting up that expectation of like,

(23:07):
oh no, you being goody two shoes is not going
to work in this world. Well, and you think he's
the star of the show because he's the names Allan
and he's the good guy, and you think, oh man,
good guys always win. Nope. End of season one. Um
So that and Dennis giving birth to the Dragons. I
feel like you're the big refreshers for season one, and
then season two we have I think the biggest up

(23:29):
moments are the Shadow Baby, murder of Renlely um that
was thanks to Melissandra, and the Battle of Blackwater Bay,
which was this amazing naval battle and uh involving wildfire
which is this green flame, very very cool. Um. And
theon gray Joy, who we had previously seen as Award
of the North fast forward through some time, took over

(23:52):
Winterfell and pretends to murder Brandon Ricken, which makes the
North hate him. Um. And those are the biggest things
from season two, yeah, I would say, and you know,
just to focus in on certain aspects. Melissandra was really
cool in her introduction at least in the books for me, because,
like you said, book one that kind of like very

(24:13):
like very slowly trickled in magic. And then we have
magic Woman who is now like straight up yeah, give
birth to the shadow Baby. And Renley the the Rainbow King.
Uh he was the one with the rainbow like he
had the rainbow action. No, his boyfriend was the Night
of Flowers and Sir Lauris are yeah, and she straight

(24:40):
nasty smoked him by bringing this shadow baby that came
out and did it, and that that was what was crazy,
because up until that point you hear the talk about
her doing magic, but you don't see it, like you
you all, you're only kind of like getting hearsay, and
one person doesn't believe it's real. It's the what's his face?

(25:00):
The one who's like, who's so not the onion night y, Yeah,
just not all about And then she does magic and
you're like, oh, this is real weird magic time. Now, Well,
they talk about priests of the Lord of Light, um,
her god using wildfire to make swords appear like they
are on fire. So all of this could be explained
within the world without magic, until she straight up gives

(25:24):
birth to a shadow demon that murders friendly. So then
we're like, okay, so either her god is the real
god or one of the real gods, or she definitely
has some kind of power or something, which I mean,
even in the series now remains to be seen how
much power she actually holds because she's actually you know,
fast forward a couple of seasons made some mistakes along

(25:44):
the way, um, but yeah, that that was a super
super cool moment. And in this book do we not
also introduce the Iron Aisles as well? I don't remember
if that happens in the book or not. The season
one and book one are pretty close parallel. Starting in
season two they start to veer off, and by the

(26:04):
as the books go in, the season's go the show
and the books gets in further part in the timeline
get really mixed up because in the books, right around
when the brand Ricken stuff is going down, it keeps
cutting to these Iron Aisles, and I remember being annoyals
like I don't care about these new dudes, but that happened.
I feel like that happens so much as you get
further in the books that which book I forget If
it's book through your book four, I think it's book

(26:25):
for You're like, I don't even care about any of
these people that I'm reading about, where the people I
care about, like Tyrian disappears for a whole book, like
and you just don't know. But the book did that
really well, where they would be left ambiguous if someone
was murdered or not, and then you wouldn't hear from
them for a book. So you'd be like, all right, well,
I guess they're dead, and then when they'd show up later,
you'd be like, oh ship. There were a lot the

(26:45):
whole time, But the show, I guess couldn't really do
that for actor contract reasons, Like they were going to
leave out a favorite character for a whole season. You're
not gonna leave out Peter Dinklide for all the season.
So with because I didn't read the books, so how
do how do fans of the books? How have they
handled it over time with it being with it changing?
I mean they pretty much. I mean the show is
so well renowned, Like are they okay with it? I

(27:09):
I haven't met any salty book people. I think most
people respect that they're two different things. Well, they're also
kind of very different in the sense that, like in
the book, every chapter is through the perspective of a person,
and I feel like that I'm not tripping right, Yeah,
every every chapter is through someone's perspective. So I think

(27:29):
when you lift that, you already know like, Okay, this
is going to be different because it has to be
because in the book you're getting characters inner monologues that
you're not going to get without creating some kind of
dialogue in the show or um is someone who's chapter
it is will get a raven from somewhere else that
something just happened, and in the series we actually see that.
So I think that there's a lot of things that

(27:51):
the series does really well that the books, uh maybe
don't do as well, and vice versa. So I would
argue there's a reason to both read the books and
watch the show. Like a lot of people are like, oh,
once the show's over, why would you go back and
read the books? But I think that they're different enough. Yeah.
I don't know how y'all feel about that, But I
loved reading, so I typically do, and that's why I

(28:13):
haven't watched the shows. I like to read the books
first then watch the show because when I when I
watch first, then the show paints my brains picture versus like,
you know, it's fun seeing like, oh, that's not how
I imagine Ned looking, That's not how I imagine. Like
Ned was thicker in the in the show than he

(28:35):
was in my head, him being this ice kind of
older guy out. I almost had him in my head
as like a frail guy and like almost like you know,
in my head because he's from a forgotten time. The
and it's proven as such by the end of book one.
So to see, you know, the actor be a little
more burly. I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I don't know.
I wouldn't mind reading book one having Jason Momoa in

(28:55):
my head. It's very to say. I can't paint a
better picture than God did. I really liked call Drogo
and Danny's wedding night in the books much better I
liked it in this series. That was one of the
big discrepancy. Yeah, that's true. Um So moving on to
season three, pretty brutal, pretty brutal. No, just the red wedding,

(29:19):
No big deal. So yeah, Season three brings the Red Wedding,
which I think was another moment for people, like Ned's execution,
where you're like, oh man, they can totally slaughter all
the guys and wherever I thought this story was going,
yes it's not. Oh boy. That was one of the
most there's nothing better than your book smugness. You know
when when that because like everyone who read the book

(29:43):
knew it was coming, and so like when people were
freaking out over like Nettles, you ain't even ready, you
ain't even right, because even in the book it's so
it really I didn't. I'd never watch Red Redding. I
only reading it. It really said, it's you up. You
really think, oh, this is the moment they're coming together,

(30:03):
We're about the Vultron and take over and everything just
goes south. Had pass. Yeah, And I imagine the show
set the same thing up, especially because once again though,
the I think the popularity of Game of Thrones is
it subverts our expectation of how heroes fight villains and
how it's supposed to work, and the Red Wedding is

(30:25):
one of the biggest brutal I think it's so cool though,
that will ever be in pop culture history, right unless
you red wedding, even if you're not a game of throat,
like you know what it's from and you know what
it stands for, like what it means. I just think
that's so cool to have like forever altered film and
media or like media history. Yeah, the Red Wedding is
a big freaking deal, and I do think that it

(30:46):
hit all the show hatchers by sermon. It was super
fun to be how many people like I'm never watching,
like you ever watching again? I was actually watching it
with Meg Tourney, who I don't know if either of
you know Meg, But she was one of my old
co host on Source fed Nerd and she hadn't read
the books and I had, and so we're watching it
and she's like on her phone and I'm like, hey, hey,

(31:07):
pay attention right now, pay attention. You're gonna want to
see this. And I wish that I had figured reaction
because she lost her mind. Um, but yeah, that's that's
how everyaly was. And I giggled like a fool watching
people's reactions online because well, because I went through it too.
I went years earlier when I read it. In the books,
there is always something too of like reading something shocking

(31:29):
because you're like turn page, Oh my god, what turn
the page. What is this? I remember reading it when
I was on lunch break from a job and I
was like almost at the end of my thirty minutes,
and I was like, no, no, I must keep reading.
Not done yet. And I really want to touch on
what Danny said, because I think that is true. That
is such a big moment, and it's something that when

(31:52):
you can have one phrase or one word that will
let everyone know, like people who probably don't even want
Game of Thrones know what the Red Wedding was because
it just blew up the internet, so everyone had to
find out what this thing was. Uh, And moments like
that are interesting because like I never watched the Star

(32:12):
Wars trilogy growing up. I just you know, that just
wasn't nothing. My dad showed me because he never cared
about it, and I watched it maybe five or six
years ago, and it was interesting watching the movie knowing
everything that was gonna I knew that Darth Vader was
Luke's father. I knew that, but to watch it play out,

(32:33):
it was cool to even see things where I was like, oh,
that's where that's from. Yeah, that is cool, that's super cool.
What are two so wrapping up season three? I mean,
obviously the Red Wedding was like the biggest thing. What
are a couple of other things that people need to
remember from that season? I would say the other big
thing that happened that season was Denia's Targarian overthrowing the
Masters of Slavers Bay, getting the Unsullied Army um and

(32:58):
freeing slaves in all the different cities. So half not
maybe not half of Danny's titles, but a lot of
Denarius's titles came from the stuff she didn't you know,
I love I'm upset like her wardrobe as it got,
like you know, as she gained more and more power,
and like as she grew as a woman, like all
of that. I'm obsessed. Well, the wardrobe in Krth, where
one of the places she was in season three, is

(33:19):
supposed to be one booby out according to the books,
but they didn't do it in the series, and I
was bummed. Well not just because I wanted to see movie,
but also because like the big thing they talked about
in Karth was like how the fashion was so different
and people really cared about it, Like it had this
like very different feel to it, which I think they
did a good job capturing the series. But I was like, dude,
where's the one booby out, because there's a whole thing

(33:40):
where Denarius feels uncomfortable with it, but it's trying to
fit in and it's it's like a cool growing moment.
But yeah, that's pretty much season three. Moving on the
season four. Season four, the Purple Wedding. Now, so that
is when Jeoffrey gets murder. Oh yeah, no, yeah, that's
called the Purple Wedding. That one's that whatever the opposite

(34:04):
feeling of the Red Wedding was was what I felt
reading the Purple right, Like, yeah, I just was let
me read into detail. This kid dying, I just yeah,
it is horrible. Yeah, they really did get you to
hate a kid like for sure. Oh yeah, and and
but like it was oh man, yeah it was so great.

(34:25):
Our friend if you our friend Nick Ross looks so
much like that, everybody would always send him pictures of it. Um,
that's unfortunate because so many people hate that character. Yeah,
I know, but this show does such a good job,
especially later. Joffrey is one of the few exceptions in
the series. You know, he doesn't look like Jeffrey. Sorry,

(34:46):
Who's who takes over? Who's a kid that takes over? Oh?
I know what you're talking about? M yeah, little brother,
Wait tommin hang on me. Comin had a few different actors,
so it depends what seems when you're looking at Tom
this last season. No, who's the other Like, he's like Jeoffrey.
Why can't I think of it? Do some googling and

(35:08):
let us know. Yeah, So the Purple Wedding happens, and
then everybody blames Tyrian for Jeoffrey's murder and then Tyrian's
trial by combat happens, where we see the big Mountain
Oberon deal which man over and Martell gets his head
Squeeze said. That's another meme that goes, uh, I will
not die this day said by a man who died

(35:29):
that day. Oh man, that was great too, because that
was a he really I mean he kind of the
mountain got got as well. But like, that was a
very interesting fight to read. I kind of went and
that's one of the ones I did go up to
look because it was such a big moment in the books.
For me, I was like, I kind of want to
see how this plays out, and it was. It was

(35:50):
done really well. I liked the choreography of that fight.
They did do a great job. And then right after that,
Tyrian escapes and murders Taiwan, and that's another moment for me.
I have to say, I don't I'm not going to
spoil how they do it in the series for you
if he um I liked it, this is another moment
that I liked it in the books better. So it's
not what the crossbow uh that is, yes, but the

(36:12):
in the entire escape, there's a very specific conversation that
happens in the books that is left out of between
him and his father, between him and his lady, between
him and his brother. It happens differently in the series,
and there are some things left out that I feel
like are very crucial to Tyrian's motivation in the following.

(36:33):
That's interesting. So, and I don't I'm always hesitant to
say it and things because I'm like, what if, like
in season eight they're going to drop that bomb of
what that story was. I don't want to spoiled it forever.
Oh my god, the story. Oh yes, they took the
story out totally out that because that that moment for

(36:53):
me was my huge turning point on Tyrian my whole like,
because like I always liked Tirian, but I always liked
in the sense that I was like, you're a bad guy,
but I like you. But that you understood his anguish,
why he is the way he is, why he doesn't
trust him, and why he doesn't really like his family. Yeah,
that that doesn't exist in the series, which is weird

(37:15):
for me. But new knows. Maybe they will somehow drop
that bomb in season But I can know why you don't. Yeah,
I can see why you don't want to because yeah,
if they do reveal, yeah, because I like you. When
I read it, that was a huge moment for me.
It really shifted my whole Like I went from like
liking Terry and be like you're a little bad boy

(37:36):
and you're gonna get yours yeah, but to this, like, oh,
you are hurting at all times. It is Tomin. Our
friend Nick Ross, who was on our other our if
he and I's original podcast, Krill in it Um sometimes
looks just like Tomin and everybody would send him memes

(37:56):
all season please continue. Well, Toman gets a spicy lady.
So yeah. The other big thing in season four is
the Battle of Castle Black. So when John goes north
and pairs up with the wild Lings and they they
are no, I'm sorry, it's the wild Lings verse. Everybody

(38:17):
at Castle Black. The wild Lings come down to the
wall and have a big fight, and that's where we
lose a GrITT from the series. Very sad for John. Um.
But that's yeah, that's season four as well, and then
season five we're moving along. Season five we have our
hard Home Battle, which is what I was thinking of earlier,
where it's John pairing up with the wild Wings to

(38:38):
fight the Night King, which that is such an insanely
well done battle scene, especially when you're like, oh my god,
this is TV. Oh my god, this is on TV.
There's there's one thing I want to mention that's going
on with uh, with John and with a lot of
the h a lot of the Starks that you know,
I don't know if it tracked as as well as

(38:59):
it did in the books. You find out that the
dire Wolves and the Starks are linked and that they
they can control their dire Wolves because John doesn't quite
use it, right he more you hear about it more
in the books than you do in this series. Really,
that's one of the coolest things I know. So yeah,

(39:20):
if you if you're watching the season, haven't read the books.
They have a connection with their dire Wolves and they
can That's that's kind of how one of the Starks
stay alive, right because they're living as they in the series.
There's a connection with them where like they're extra friendly. Um,
but it's not like all the kids can work. Oh wow,

(39:41):
So it's it's this isn't again. One of the reasons
why I'm like, if you're someone who loves the series,
there are reasons to go back and read. Yeah, like
there's stuff was super cool, super cool. Um yeah, absolutely
super cool. Um let's see season five also, the sons
of the Harvey attempt to over Deneris, but she escapes

(40:01):
on the back of a dragon. Yeah remember that, And
that's like the I want to say, that's like maybe
the first moment in the series where we get to
see the grown up dragons like in their full glory,
doing their full thing. And that was another huge like
I can't believe they're doing this on a television budget.
Now that being said, it's a gargantuan television for real,
but they really did chat. I mean, they really have shown.

(40:22):
I can't think of another show that looks as good
that it's doing as much, which is why, like if
he said, you can't be mad for having dragons in
the series because it took us so long to get
the s Yeah, they had to prove the show was
good enough to get that expanded budget. Wait, I just
need to show you all this. Here's Tomin. Okay, here's
our friend Nick Ross. Oh he definitely looks like isn't

(40:46):
that funny? He needs to cosplay Tomin. I mean that
would be the thing to do would the thing to do?
Let's see. Season five also has the high Sparrow, who's
freaking terrifying in his own right, bringing the rule of
the faith Eletant back to King's Landing, which totally back
fires on cerci um Stanis. Oh god, this moment is

(41:08):
season five to Stannis uh direction from Melissandra sacrifices Sharie.
That was hard to watch. That was so hard to watch.
It only prepared you for Infinity War. No, it didn't,
didn't know, it didn't be at all. Those people, all
those people are coming back like there's no way they're

(41:29):
getting rid of freaking Tom Holland. Well, and it's not
like they were like, in order to defeat Fantos, we
just have to burn you alive. As we watch, they
like quietly went away in the dust. It was not
the same much less. This was brutal. I mean, she
eventually went away in dust, but it was brutal. And
about that was Stantis doesn't even win. After that, he

(41:52):
dies and then something very tragic also happened at the
end with our man John Snow. Oh yeah, yeah, John Snow.
All of his brothers turn on him and they murder him,
and then we start the next season just kidding. Season

(42:14):
said that's Um, I mean, y'all all knew that. I
guess that read the books, you know, I don't know
because it wasn't gone that far. I was tripping out,
which was why was the perfect Cliffhanker Because that doesn't
happen and none of us know that. And also so

(42:37):
some of the timelines ended earlier like this, the show
surpassed to the books in certain characters timelines in earlier
seasons than it did in later seasons. Um, again, because
you're doing POV from different characters. The timeline is very
kind of gray and confusing in the books as opposed
to the series. I mean it's kind of confusing in
this series too. But yeah, we did not know that

(42:58):
was going to happen. Yeah fo show. Um. I mean
people guessed because there were way too many fan theories
about John being really important ending of the series to
let John go so soon. But I think that's also
why people were like, wait, what, like now all of
my theories are out the window? Are you kidding? Yeah?
But also in a fan base that is used to

(43:18):
people being murdered and not coming back on like X
Men or something, you come back, we know and DVZ
and all the like Marvel things. You're murdered. I think
coming back this one was like, oh, so people didn't know, Um,
we have to take a quick break. Then we're gonna
break down the last final seasons and then kind of

(43:40):
possibly the future and the prequel that's coming out. We
will be right back and we're back. Yeah. Season six,
they were like, oh, just kidding, we wouldn't do that
to y'all. I mean we would, but um, we know
he's y'all's favorite. Well, I feel like, like, no, we

(44:00):
would definitely do that to y'all, but we need to
let you know how powerful Melessandra's Yeah, that too, Like
that was that that. I feel like it was the
big thing with that that she could bring him back,
and that she was like, oh, he serves a greater
purpose just so he could be murdered in the end. No,
I'm just kidding, which I don't know what might happen.
I mean maybe I don't know. Yeah, we'll get into
you that later. Yeah, we had heard of the Lord

(44:23):
of Light resurrecting people before. Sir Beric dun Darien says
he died I think five times and was resurrected by
a red priest there of mirror. Um. So we'd heard
of that happening before, but this is the first we've
actually seen it with main characters. So that's crazy. Um,
let's see what else happens. Then Alari San and the
sand Snakes take over Dorn, which is one of the
sidelines that I feel like when you're reading the book,

(44:44):
you're like, who cares? And it's fine, but it's integral
of the overall stuff. Um. Denaris gets a death Rocky
Army by burning down all the dudes. They're like, oh, no,
you're in Excalisi. You have to live with the old ladies,
and she's like, no, I do not excuse you. Um.
That's a very good like woman power scene there. Um,
we learn about hod Or why his name is hold

(45:07):
or respects. Yeah, so sad, the hold or things the saddest.
Um actually have a doorstop in my house that says
hold Or on it because I'm an awful person. But
it's so fun. Um. Yeah. So, and the hold Or
Thing is a big deal, not only because it's devastatingly
sad for hold Or, but also because it shows us

(45:27):
that in the in the time loop, paradoxes that have
now been introduced to the world of Game of Thrones
that Brand cannot only travel back in time and see
through people's eyes, he can also affect the past, which
then affects the current timeline, which opens up a whole
Pandora's box of theories moving forward for season eight, which
will get to in a second. Um, let's see what else.

(45:50):
Marjorie and Tom and joined the Faith militant you're on,
Gray Joy becomes a king of Iron Born, which you're on.
Great Joy is the big piratey guy are The Battle
of Bastards happens between Ramsey and John, which is another
insanely awesome battle scene. Uh. And I think that all
of us, we're so so thrilled when was defeated, even

(46:13):
the little Finger is the one who really comes in
and saves it. It's not John, it's little Finger. Yeah.
And just for you know, because I don't think we
talked about little Finger yet that much. He's the most
hard to read slippery character in these books because sometimes
he's helping. Yeah, the Spider at least admits that he's

(46:34):
in this gray area where he's like, you don't know
who I'm helping. You. I'm sorry, I'm just I'm just
making Yeah, don't brand no, no, don't no. I'm gonna
do what I want. But little Finger like has this
like faux emotion that he shares for whoever he's helping,
and then he screws that person over and then he
shows this emotion, so you never like it really wears.

(46:57):
Spider is very like obviously Neutra when you can watch
him be neutral. Little Finger is so hard to read,
but I love I always loved the character a little
Finger because I was like, oh man, he is the
mastermind of the chess game. Like all this politics that
we're seeing play out. Anything you think is happening by chance,
it is not. It is happening because little Finger put

(47:19):
an emotion to happen that way. Um. So he was
always my like, oh man, who's playing the game the best,
at least in the earlier seasons and in the books,
which is why it blows your mind later when he
comes to an untimely end um. But yes, we have
the Battle of Asteroid saved by little Finger. Cercy murders
a whole bunch of people by blowing up the stept

(47:39):
with wildfire, which is nuts, and then Tom and kills
himself by your friend. Sorry, yes, uh. John becomes King
in the North. Brand is now the three Eyed Raven,
and he discovers that the whole Tower of Joy theory
is confirmed, which I have to say, I don't know
if you felt this way if he but as a

(48:00):
book reader, that is a theory I had been wanting
to be confirmed for so long. So the Tower of
Joy is the whole R plus L equals J theory.
John's parentage, which is Raygar and are the actual parents
of John. So like, when you're reading the books, you're like,

(48:20):
it's probably isn't Ned's bastard, Like, let's just be honest.
Everything we know about Ned probably not the case. And
as you're going on, you're like, I bet he's a
targe Arian. How could he be a tug area trying
to figure it out? Um, And so Brand goes back
in time and sees that happen, and then to know
that Ned kept that secret all those years, even though
Catlin like hated him for it, and like, it's just

(48:42):
such a huge moment where I think everyone online was
freaking out. Our plus cell equals J confirmed, because Yeah,
that was a big, big, big old theory. That's what
I was like, God, I've been waiting like fifteen years
for this theory. That was a huge deal. Um. And
then season seven our last season. What did you think
of Season seven? What did I think of Season seven? Um?

(49:05):
I mean it was spicy between John and Danny, so
that had a little even weirder now that he's her nephews. Yeah, yeah,
that's interesting, but I guess not uncommon for that time,
which is the time that doesn't exist, but even for
that time. Yeah, even in the book they were talking
about how like they were all just it's this specifically

(49:28):
the Targarian family were just kept it in the family. Yeah,
Targarians intermarried and that was pretty well known. But I
think being raised a Stark, it's going to be real
weird for John, and I think for Generes being raised elsewhere,
it's probably gonna be super awkward for her too, even
though they know that that's really how it goes. So
season seven opens with a killer scene where Aria slaughters

(49:50):
all of the phrase Yeah, revenge moved for the red one.
It felt so good, right, it does feel so good. Aria,
who now wears many faces, um, such a cool so
she like, nope, oubt, but still has the ability to
wear many faces, yes, which is still a big question
mark and kind of how all that went down, because yeah,
they might want to come back for her question mark.

(50:12):
I don't know. I wasn't I'll be honest, I wasn't
thrilled with how all that played out in the series,
and we hadn't really seen all of that in the books,
Like I was expecting to get more of a payoff
or something that made a little bit more sense out
of that whole adventure, but instead it just seems like
she came away with it. Like, Okay, so I'm not
a priest for you guys, but I still can be

(50:32):
a many faced assassin, which I have a question. So
where did the books end? Where did where has it
left off? Was it back in season? It's different for
each character. No, no, no, But okay, But because I
was going to say, if if no one has any
idea of what's going to happen in season eight, like
because that no one hasn't, do you think he's going
to come out with a book? He said he's going

(50:54):
to finish it. He originally told the showrunners. Here's how
it all ends, Here's how I'm intending it all to
end end, and they said they're just going to take
different paths to get there, Okay, and then and then
if people want to read the book, they can, even
though they already know kind of what will happen. It's
kind of like Scott Pilgrim because the the movie Wrapped
came out before the final Scott Pilgrim book came out,

(51:15):
so and and it seems like they kind of had
different endings but still kind of similar. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
and that's the idea and all. I will definitely read
the books because I think that they're different enough. And
a lot of the excerpts that George rr Martin has
released at this point are intentionally excerpts, where like someone
who was killed off pretty early in the TV show
is in the book excert moving forward. So we's like,

(51:36):
see it's different doing different things. Um, but let me
bust through some of this because I knew we don't
have a ton more time and I want to talk
to future theories. Um, so already kills the phrase. Denaris
returns to dragon Stone, Searcy aligns herself with Uron for
a gift, which ends up being a Laurea sand and Yarra,
who in the books is called Asha Um. John meets

(51:56):
to Naris and they bound m brand Arian Sanza all
very night in winter Fell, which is an amazing moment
if your team. Stark. Denaris takes out the Lanister Army
Um and also finishes off House Charlie, meaning Sam is
now in charge of House Charlie and he leaves his
master training with Gilly and the baby, so things are
looking cool for Sam. He also has discovered the legitimacy

(52:17):
of the marriage of John's parents, which is huge because
that means that John is the actual heir to the
Phone Boom, not Danny, which WHOA, That's gonna be a thing. Um.
Cercy reveals that she's pregnant, which I still don't know
if she was lying about or not. Uh. John assembles
what they call the Magnificent Seven, which was Gendery torments

(52:38):
Sir Jora Thoris of Sir Eric dun Darien and the
Hound to go north and fight the batties up north.
The Stark girls take out little Finger by little Finger
bye bye. You were playing the game well until you
crossed Arians. Don't do that. Then Cold Hands Benjin, who
was in the book's way before and we thought was
completely taken out of the series. Ben Uncle ben jin

(53:01):
Stark also called cold Hands in the book Saves not
a good name. Benjin Stark is his name. But yeah,
after because he's killed by the White name, you're creepy, uncle, Sorry,
go ahead. He's killed by the Whites and then brought
back by the children of the Forest, so he's allowed
to be creepy because he is essentially Uncle Zombie. Um.
So yeah, then he arrives and we're all like what um,

(53:23):
And then we get an ice dragon. Vissarian is killed
in battle and then resurrected by the Night King, which
is crazy, and then the Ice Dragon makes it so
that the Night King can preach the law. The Army
of the Dead passes through Um and Searcy at this
time claims to make a false alliance will. She tries
to make an alliance with U, Denaris and John, saying Okay,
let's put our war on a truth so we can
deal with the problems up north. And then she confides

(53:45):
in Jamie that she actually has no intention of doing that.
When they all go north, She's just gonna take the
Seven Kingdom? Is this just me? Does anyone like Searcy
like our people sec fans, Yes, because people because Searcy
has been through so much, because she kind of has
been shafted and underestimated just her whole life. She's had

(54:06):
a whack husband and then like you know, no one
trusted her to run the kingdom for her son, and
always everyone has tried to use her. So I think
the moment when the wildfire stuff happened, then it was like, oh, snap,
she she's kind of great. And then I think when
the shame dude came, you're you're right, You're It humbled

(54:29):
her in a way that everyone was on her. So
as a teenager, she was troubled by someone that could
foresee the future that all of her children are going
to die. Yeah, so she's holding onto that her whole
journey to This series does a really good job of
painting both positive and negative layers all of our characters,
so you don't really there aren't any true villains in
the series, with the exception of Ramsay and Joffrey. Are

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any of her children alive? What happened to uh Tommins
twin sister, So Marcella was killed by Alaria sand with
poison poison kiss oh yeah, to get back at Cercy
or Oberon Skull crushy death, so her children have all
all that. Tomin's the last to go was so then

(55:15):
you're like, oh, man, Sarcy is really really off the
deep end now, but you understand it, yeah, like she
has been through it and and she does play the
game really well. Also, what's interesting about the series and
kind of, uh, what's happening now is this book, you know,
talks in past tense of all these like you know,

(55:36):
named figures that all have this weird thing like that,
you know, the Fire King, the Mad King, and you
when you read about it, you're like, how do you
even get those names? And then you get to watch
how these things happen. You know why Searcy is the
mad Queen. She's just lost all her children. You'll know why,
you know, Like it's it all kind of like makes sense,
which is why, like I think that one of two

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things might happen. One I think John takes the throne.
Everything resets because now Tarjarian is back at the throne
and it basically resets to the old time. Dragons exist again.
We're back in and or some apocalypse happened and we
find out that this is just a cycle, like you
have your summer, you have your fall, you have your winter,

(56:22):
and then it rents repeats every season. That's what That's
what we keep hearing from the Masters is that there
have been winters before and they all came to an
end and there was a summer and everybody stopped freaking out. Essentially, Um,
but I mean, now we're going into the final season.
We only have six episodes, but they have said some
of them are going to be as long as eighty
minute long episodes, So a fewer episodes, but they'll be

(56:44):
longer starting April four. And uh yeah, I mean there's
a lot of theories and what some people have as
expectations for what this season could entail. Do either of
you have any theories or guesses of what you think
John's taking it all? And I think John's taking it
all and it's gonna reset or we're gonna have one
huge apocalyptic event. And my big hill, Mary, is that

(57:08):
Brand's gonna go back in time and Ned starts going
to say no, I don't want to go to King's
Landing and nothing happen. What may they're going to be
able to defend it because Ned because remember NED believed
in protecting the wall, so they'll they'll defend it because
Ned will send the required forces. It's just gonna reset

(57:29):
everything where it's just gonna be like, you remember what
was that one I forget? It was a horror movie
where like every time you made a wish it would
go bad and then like you were tortured in the
end of the movie where she was like, I wish
that one driver wasn't drunk on the job and nothing
ever happened. I mean, we could have something like that.
There's a big theory that Brand is actually the Night

(57:51):
King because he tries to go back in time to
be the guy that is the guy that's turned into
the Night King UM and then get stuck in that
body and turn in the Night King. So there's two
brands coexisting simultaneously. But we have no reason to believe
that two brands can coexist simultaneously, which is kind of
the debunk for that theory, if you will. But there's
a lot of people in the Brand is the Night

(58:12):
King camp or that brand is going to become the
Night King um because why is the Night King so
intent on killing the Three Eyed Raven? We don't know.
I just don't want anything to happen to Danny. I
feel very connected to her as we share the same name,
and I played her in a Game of Thrones roast
at Meltdown, which I think might be up on YouTube somewhere.

(58:33):
But I wanted to talk about the prequel that's coming out.
We don't know very much about it. We know Naomi Watts,
isn't it right, Yeah, that's it that. I mean, that's
really all we know about it is that it's a prequel.
There's going to be spinoff series. It's going to be
a prequel, So it could we don't know when it's
set place or no. I mean, it could be dealing
with any of the stuff in the past. It could

(58:54):
be dealing with the children of the Forest back in
their heyday. Could be the turning of the Night King originally,
it could be um the Targarian rise to the throne. Like,
we have no idea, Uh, we just know there's a lot.
I think George R. Martina said, there's many many stories
in wester Ros, so we'll see which one gets told. Um.
So yeah, that's what we know about the prequel. But

(59:15):
at this point, I mean, everybody I I think the
things that I'm expecting. These aren't my tinfoil hat theories.
These are like things that I think will probably happen. Um.
I think John's going to figure out his parentage. Sam
will probably either Sam and Brands some combination. If that
will happen, it will be super awkward for John and denari. Um.
But then maybe John will ride a dragon knowing that

(59:37):
he's a Targarian, which would be very cool. Um, a
song of Ice and Fire, get it. That's a thing
I didn't want to say because we always have somebody
that writes us and it is like these are spoilers. No, like,
literally none of us have seen it and nobody so
these are just what what Tricia thinks could possibly happen,
but also could not happen at all. I have zero inside. No,

(01:00:00):
please don't write us. That happened too with Captain Marvel,
And I'm like, we literally haven't seen it. We have
no idea. We're just going off of our current what
we think might happen. We're just having a little fun
with some prediction. We're just playing around. I I also
wonder if maybe Searcy will eat it this season. Oh,

(01:00:20):
I am so ready. I am not a Searcy fan, okay,
but that's who do you think is going to be
the bearer? Because people are saying maybe it might be Jamie. Oh,
I could totally see that a poetic I could totally
see that happening, right, absolutely. I don't know why I
did not connect to Searcy the way that other people did.
I'm like, when is she When is her turn? Though

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I think people respect Sarcy's ambition, I don't know that
anyone likes Searcy like, I don't know that anyone's like,
oh yeah, I hope Cercy takes it all. And I
mean what she did that would be such a middle finger,
like if oh man, Okay, anyways, I'm very ready. I'm sorry, Searcy,
You've you've done your time where I'm ready for you

(01:01:03):
to tap out. I also think they keep hinting at
Denera's being pregnant after our so that might be a
thing they don't protection they're using. Um And I do
think are you will at least murder one other person
off her kill list? Oh? I think she's I think
she's definitely. Yeah, that's that's what's going to complete that. Yeah,

(01:01:28):
so it could be. The people still on her kill
list are the Hound, Searcy. Oh, and her kill list
is different the series than in the books. Um, Searcy,
the Hound, the Mountain, ill In Payne, Melissandra, and Barrack
Dundarian are the people still in her kill list in
the show. Um, there's extra characters that have been cut
out of the series that are on her kill list
in the books. Um. So yeah, those are the things

(01:01:49):
that I'm like expecting to happen. But other than that,
like the big question everyone's asking is who do you
think is going to finish sitting on the Iron Throne?
And I legit have no idea. What if it's not
somebody that one of the main characters. I think they're
going to burn the Iron Throne. They're going to destroy it. Well,
the Iron Throne is already melded weapons. I think they're

(01:02:10):
gonna Denis is going to have a dragon just flame
it till it melts. That's what they say. That's how
they say it was made in the first place. Was
the swords of the enemies melted by dragonfire? How that
which is pretty awesome. I keep trying to find ways
to destroy and you keep making I don't know. I
feel like John and Danny might get married and rolled together.
That might be a night, but that would be a

(01:02:30):
nice resolution is not known. Oh no, good bye, no idea. Um,
but yeah, tinfoil hat theories that are out there. Brand
is the night King is a big one, or the
brand travel back in time and was the original brand
the Builder or both? Um. I like the belief that
Tyrian is actually a Targarian as well, but as we

(01:02:52):
go on, there's less to prove that that more viable
about a season or two ago. But his dad, Tywan
does say lots of stuff like you are no son
of mine right, like there are things dropped in there
that it could be the case, um and the and
he also the dragon did not go after him the
first time he had a dragon, which is another big
targe Arean thing. So that that's total tinfoil hot um.

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And then a lot of people online I was reading
recently that think mirro Read and John Snow are twins
and it maybe mirro Read is also a targe arean. Um.
I am not super in that camp, but there are
definitely people online that are. It's so funny. I'm reading
an article from Rotten tomatoes. That's like breaking down the timeline,
and people commented, why did you use BC. That's like

(01:03:39):
a totally different that doesn't exist, that's not in this timeline. Um, yeah,
the Three Wise Men show up, and um, that's what
I think. My guess is that probably because I've seen
people use a C when they're talking about Game of
Thrones and I always wondered what that was? After what

(01:04:01):
what that? The Dragon time is apparently the timeline we're
working off of. Well, we did it. We broke it down.
I tried. There's so much information, of course, Yeah, and
we can't. I mean, there's entire podcast dedicated to this show.
So we hope that was a good refresher going into
season eight. Yeah, and I hope into all the people

(01:04:22):
who just decided to pop this on before they start
the next next episode in the new season. Enjoy the show, Tricia.
Do you have anything you wanna plug before before we
get on out of here? Um? No, I mean, if
you want to follow me on socials, I actually am
doing a Game of Thrones after show with a couple

(01:04:43):
of mine with one Sam Basher and has been heard
on here right Yeah, yeah, Sam came on here. He
had a great flash episode and he was in our
Captain Marvel review. Heck yeah, so yeah, sam Andy da
Woldridge and myself do a Game of Thrones after show. Um,
and we're going to be doing an episode this week
going into the new season, and then an episode after

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each of the six episodes moving forward. Um. And if
you want to follow me for more information on that
and other stuff. I'm meant that girl, Trish, but it's
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And that's on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. I'm so going
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but if she's there until the end, slide into my

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d m s. Please. I just want to. I just
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it's gonna be something. Yeah, yeah, totally. You'll get me
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(01:06:09):
watch it. Yeah, a bunch of our bunch of our
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I'm just getting out of y'all. Uh yeah, and me,
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(01:08:04):
Uh And I think that's all of the plugs I have.
Maybe it was extra long this weekend. I truly apologize
for wasting your time when you're trying to sit there
and watch Game of Throne. So as always, stay neardy.