Episode 64: Spider-Man

My Spidey-Senses are tingling...Watch out! It's another episode of Nerdificent! This week Dani and Ify are joined by Collider's Coy Jandreau to discuss the web slinger himself, Spider-Man. Through many identities and timelines, the gang discusses why they love this multi-faceted hero. Give Aunt May a kiss and hop on the school bus, we're learning about Spider-Man on this week's Nerdificent!

FOOTNOTES:

Spider-Man Biography, History of Spider-Man

The Numbers: The Spider-Man Movies Ranked

Coy Goes Comic Book Shopping with Zachary Levi!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Narrative cent Time. Your host, if you wide
away and sitting across from me at some points is
your other host, Danny Fernandez. I'm good. If I'm good,
I'm great, I'm grand, and I'm wonderful. All of those
things are. We're talking about something really cool and it
was very cool area and the zeit geist right now.

(00:33):
You know, as soon everybody will be watching a movie
featuring this fella. They're gonna be watching it today, possibly
when this episode drops. It's very true. Yeah, perfect time.
It's almost like we set this up in our schedule
today we're talking about Spider Man. No, I thought I confused.

(00:54):
I thought we were talking about pretty little lives. I
have thought that that was what we were doing. So
weird joined by you remember him from the Punisher episode.
He is a host on Collider Heroes and also Comic
book Shopping. It's Coy Jon Drowsy, Spider Man's my boy.
Oh yeah, like your Spider Man shirt. This was just

(01:14):
a coin. I'm always ready and your Spider Man okay,
head like and it's double sided. Yeah, this is the
tattoo I'm getting right here. It's around the bend. Once
a network allows me to have a forearmed tattoo. I'm
getting that back. I feel like you could do that
at Collider. Yeah. Well I'm worried about one siment, like

(01:36):
you know, like the next place. So that was cool
on the internet, but I mean I had to network.
I had these dbz ones at the Aladdin premiere when
I was hosting, didn't they weren't covered? That's true, that's
the line. Yeah, it's so like, this is such an
aggressive spot and that's where I'm going to it and
I'll be like, what a posting. I'm so serious. This

(01:58):
is forever like dead. I think the only thing would
be like if you went over to if you were
hosting at d C. That's although Chris McKay, who I'm
friends with, he has a Captain America big tattoo on
his forearm. He has the shield and he directed Lego Batman.
So you're more accepting society. So I think he's you're allowed.

(02:20):
You know, you're you grow up a nerd, You're you're
influenced by both. Yeah, you want to brand yourself. You
should be allowed to freedom and branding, So go for it. Yeah,
I think I think it's it's a real already pick
the artist. I've already got decisions made. It's just making
the commitment, commitment. It's real intense, it's forever. Yeah. But
Spider Man is actually tied to Punisher, so I thought
it was perfect that came on because he punish your
debut in the pages of Spiderman. Oh yes, yeah, Oh

(02:43):
my gosh. We're bringing it back, going backwards. It's retroactively
relevant to my guessing. So we have been starting our
podcast with what people are geeking out about? What are
you seeking out about this week? So this is shameless
and there's a bit of a bias considering the subject matter.
But your Boy saw Far from Home, and I've been
speaking out about it since the moment it started playing,

(03:05):
and then the moment the credits rolled, I would have
loved if they just pressed play again. Uh. And I
saw it after flying internationally and I still had my suitcases.
We were running so behind. I brought my stuff and
it's a very hard like thing to be excited while
that jet lagged, and it was that good that I was.
And I also have a Spider Man suitcase because shamelessness,
so I brought my Spidy suitcase to the screening in
London of Spiderman and I was in love from the

(03:26):
jump to the end, and uh, I haven't stopped thinking
about it. And it's if you guys are listening to
this on Tuesday, I hope you've either already seen it.
We're not gonna do spoilers, but I hope you've either
already seen it already have your tickets, because it is
shockingly important to see it without knowing anything. I think
the only thing I want to know is is there
post credits? Yes? Okay, well that should we say, of course,

(03:50):
but you know, after in game, maybe they're like, we're
done with this, We've changed, We're done with that. I
will I will even say not only are there two
post credits, but between the two, and I won't say
which one one of them is my personal favorite, maybe
of all time. I don't know it all right, that's
all we'll say. Somebody I know, I know somebody's like

(04:12):
fingers digging into right now because there's people was like,
you're just too close. Yeah, like some people like that spoiler.
What's his favorite? What would he love? What are you
geeking out about today? I'm I'm seeking out about I
was sent to this book. Yeah, I have a book.
I have a book. It was written by Sarah Fader

(04:33):
and her son Ari. It's about well Sarah is. She's
the founder of a mental health nonprofit organization called Stigma Fighters,
and her and her son wrote this book called Nobody,
and it's essentially about when you feel like nobody. And
it's really cute and it has illustrations in it and
a nobody dog and it talks about being a somebody.

(04:54):
So I highly recommend it, and also all the work
that she's done in the mental health community. That's what
I'm geeking out about super dope. Um, I mean, since
we're all shamelessly plugging, I'm getting out about the new
Corsair Night Sword r GB mouse. They sent it to me.
It's their newest mouse. It's kind of similar to the
M sixty five, where it has weights that you can

(05:15):
adjust the weight to it. I'm a light boy, so
I didn't add any of the weights. But it's bigger,
so it's good for bigger hands. But it kind of
has that same kind of IN sixty five kind of
fat or FPS shaped to it, but you can add
six different variable weights to it. And uh yeah, I've
been getting collaps online with it if you want to,
if you want to check it out, if you want
to buy it. We'll have my special Corsair link in

(05:37):
the in the footnotes for you to click and go.
Just go ahead and use that link if you need
a new headphones, keyboards, mice. Just you know, I get
a little kick back, of course, but also you know,
I am a fan of the brand. Like I I
begged Corsair to sponsor me, not the other way around.
That's how much I love the sales. So it's been vetted. No, yeah,
it's been vetted, because that's all how I always want

(05:59):
to do anything sponsored for Like, I'd much rather go
after the company and be like that's because I like
you so much, versus being like, hey, we're gonna pay
you and say you like it yeah, because it's really
like you can feel that insecure, especially if you don't like,
really know the product. I always think like Box Lunch clothes,
do you gut you guys know Box Lunch? Yeah, Box
Lunch donates ten dollars out of every fifty to feeding

(06:19):
local homeless, So it's helping people in our community, and
it's helping the homeless directly, and it's awesome branded merch.
So like when I want to buy a Deadpool or
Spider Man shut, I go there and so of just
generally buying clothes and I'll pend, I'll spend a little
bit more. But I know it's directly helping not just
the community but my community. And I think that's a
really good way to spend branded content because we're already
selling out to the point where, like I'm talking about tattoo,

(06:39):
I'd rather sell out for a good cost. Yeah. I mean,
while we got you here, te public dot com slash,
you know this, this will just be the shill hour.
I mean you are already here. I imagine that you
have your laptop open. You're like, oh, it's summer, the
steam summer sales going on. Why why not just buy
some other stone? Yeah? But yeah, yeah, that's that's what

(07:03):
we're nerding out about. And now it's time to talk
about Spider Man, the spiner Man. Mr Peter Radio. Do
you spiner Man Narrow? We did an episode on that, right,
just the animated series, right, we know we didn't. I
thought we did an episode. Not we did an episode

(07:25):
of Miles Morales. Yeah. Um, so you do you have
the original Spider Man comic. So I'm thirty eight no.
Thirty six issues from every Spiderman ever in print, so
every run, every title, every cover, every annual, every mini series.
Uh so I have sixteen thousand, five hundred and sixty
two Just Spidy books. Um, yeah, I got a problem.
And they're all a Excel spreadsheets, so I know the

(07:46):
exact number. I've got thirty seven long boxes of Just Spidy.
Keep them in a vault, bagged, boarded and in a
long box which is sealed, and then thirty back East.
They're safely in a in a in my parents. My
parents moved from Boston, which is like living a Cape
cod to Georgia, where you get a little more room,
so they don't let me have a full walk in
closet for my comics because they're the best. So they're

(08:08):
effectively at a vault. So they're like on the other
side of the country in a walk in closet sealed. Yeah,
so they're pretty much in a vault for me, and
uh I I read the new ones and then every
hundred issues, I fly a short box back and I
have a whole system. But I pick up Mood New
books every Wednesday and everything that's not Spidy x Men
or Deadpool, I buy digitally because I amount of space,
So Spidy x Men and Deadpool I buy the physical

(08:29):
hard copies and then I buy digital of the other
hundred two books. Issue I read a week. So he's
like numbers guys, I know, we we if you remember
on the Punisher episode when Coy was just dropping issue numbers.
It's so funny because I feel like that I don't
want to say it's quote unquote dead but like that
used to be associated to nerd them is like, you know,

(08:51):
especially with comic book guys, like in Radioactive Man numbers,
you know, and I feel like there isn't that like
number of clockage anymore, almost because I feel like too
many people were using it for evil, you know where
they you know where they would be like, oh you
you like, I see you wearing a Spiderman shirt? Tuts,
So tell me who did he fight in issue one thirteen?

(09:13):
You know? Okay, honey, which is Harry Jane debut in
because she's got two issues in her face is hidden?
When did you say the iconic line say, but so
it's Spider Man. Is very funny out of all the superheroes, because, like,
you know, I want to ask you if you couldn't
even remember when you were first introduced to him, because

(09:35):
like it could have been on the side of an
ice cream truck. Like spider Man is the most popular
Marvel hero, So do you have any recollection when you
were introduced to him? Todd McFarlane, Spiderman Number two. I
received my third birthday and I learned to read with Spiderman,
so my very first like I learned with a comic

(09:55):
book because there was already drawings and stuff and I
was able to get context clues. And this is actually
from that same run. So I'm wearing a shirt representing
that actually learning to read. Um and we my parents
were into comics. My dad was into comics. My mom
was into like the superhero world. She like loved what
it represented. So my parents were super encouraging the whole time.
And my dad had a full run of Claremont Burns
Uncanny X Men, which she gave me like years later,

(10:16):
which got me into X Men. But Spidey was that
like approachable everyone can read it. Ironically, Torment is one
of the few titles that isn't for kids, so I
read I read this like lizard ripping kids apart book
to learn to read, and it's like Spider Man Safe
except for this run. Uh. So I learned to read
a Spiderman back when he was in the dark and
gritty phase. And then as I grew up, the Spider
Man animated series came on and I was the kid

(10:38):
with the VCR where I broke two because I had
stopped for the commercials and hit record and I'm like
playing with the thing. Uh. And then later later on
they released m in those clamshells. Those are the ones
that smelled great. Uh, And I bought a bunch of
those because I was like breaking VCRs. So since I
could acknowledge television, acknowledge reading or any of that, I've
been reading. And then once they had him on CD ROM,

(10:59):
I've been reading the back issues I couldn't have. And
I have this weird o c D where I don't
read an issue until I own it. So if it's
like a five issue that I'm saving up four, once
I own it, then I'll download the digital and read it.
But I haven't. I don't let myself touch untill I
own it, but I won't open the old copies That's
exactly what I was gonna follow up with. So you
buy the old copies with no intention to actually cracking
them open and reading it. If it proceeds in my birthday,

(11:21):
don't touch it. Actually, I want to stop to bring
something up to you because I know it's going to
physically hurt you. Um, will you, for the audience, tell
us what issue Deadpool first appeared in. So I did
a show for E three called pre Pre Show where
our host John Carnage pulled out new mutants and he

(11:45):
put it on a fishing line on top of this
like weird goopy soup, and he the guest, who was
a developer, had to if he would if he guessed
everything right, he would win the copy. If he guessed
it wrong, the copy would fall into that goopy stuff.

(12:07):
And his last name is Carnage is period And they
did not get it right, and I went. I witnessed
it dip into a goop the juice and then get
thrown into a blinter and I was like shocked, but
there was like a part of me that was like,
oh man, this is probably fake. And then it was

(12:27):
like cut and he was like, oh no, I own
that copy. Audience that you can't see it that I've
been writhing my hands on the chair and it was
experience so funny, and I was like, then I know
what happened. I was like, you bought that. When you
bought it, like when it came out. I was like yeah,
And I was like that's the thing is like if
you buy it, like, if you buy that copy, it's
never gonna be worth even like if I buy like

(12:51):
if I bought like Spider Man number one when it
came out, even years from now, when people like that's
worth a million dollars, it just will never be It's
still gonna be worth But yeah, to you, it's always
so when you're like, what's a crazy bit, you're not
like even though you know it's so insane, You're like
you're like, I don't have that so I can have
the fun of that. But yeah, um, after we record,

(13:15):
I'll show you the clip and you can see me if.
I was so uncomfortable because like I was like, because
you could you, I mean, you know when it's real.
But part of me and my brain I was like, not,
it has to be a fake. It's like yeah, and
he's like, no, it's the original. I was like wow.

(13:35):
He was like, I don't know. My friend has a
bunch of the Magic the Gathering Letter worth like fifty dollars,
like um, yeah, and so he definitely takes those really
seriously and he's like holding onto it. I think now
that they announced the Magic Show and he thinks it's
going to go even more up. So well, I just
got amazing Spiderman number sixties six, which is an iconic

(13:57):
mysterio cover, and I got it just happened to find
it in time for the movie. So it is this
really cool like kist that I need. So a few
comments and one appeared in my life right before. But
it's also going to go up in value after the movie.
But it also just happened to be in my life
at the time of the movie. So it's cool because
I'll remember. It's cool when you have an emotional attachment
to an issue that you remember later, like I always
remember right as the movie came out, I got this
issue with a cover and right and that's what I

(14:18):
like about buying print copies, Like you don't remember where
you got your digital copy. You don't remember, like what
when you hold a book, it feels so much more
importantly special, and I'll have something to either like loom
over my kids or put them through college with because
I won't sell them mom alive. But if they want
to make that choice as long as I'm dead, that's
their move. I know there was I have, and it's
not really worth much because it's a nineties comic. In

(14:39):
nineties comics aren't worth it much. Anyone who's going through
like yard sales, just know there was an era. I
think we do. I don't know if we talk talked
about in the punch Trap. Yeah, just they just overprinted,
but I have the original like Cage Run and it's
from a guy. And did I bring up this story?
I think I told this story where like it was
a guy in the community college I met who like

(15:01):
found out that, you know, his wife couldn't have kids,
and he was like, well, I planned on giving this
to my kid, uh and and he was like, so
I want to give this to you because he found
out I was a nerd and it was like it's sweet.
So I don't think I'd ever get rid of it
because of that like sentimental thing. And that was like
the probably the nicest thing a nerd has done for me.

(15:22):
At that point in my life, you know, everything was
so just collectors. Anyway, we need to talk about Spider Man.
We've we've been reminiscing. It's hard not to talk about THEE.
But let's do what we do, which is the normal
breakdown that I start off with, which is Spider Man
is a fictional superhero created by writer editor Stanley rest
in Peace and writer artist Steve Ditko uh rest in

(15:45):
Peace as well. Uh. He first appeared in the anthology
comic book Amazing Fantasy number fifteen that dropped in August
nineteen sixty two, and the Silver Age of comic books.
He appeared in American comic books published by Marvel Comics,
as well as a number of movies, television shows, video
game adaptation set in the Marvel universe, and in these stories,
Spider Man is the alias of Peter Parker most of

(16:06):
the time, an orphan raised by his aunt May and
uncle Ben in New York City after his parents, Richard
and Mary Parker were killed in a plane crash. Lee
and did Go had the character deal with struggles of
adolescence and financial issues, and accompanied him with many supporting characters,
such as j Jonah Jamison, Harry Osborne, Max Modell, romantic
interest is such as Gwinn Stacy and Mary Jane Watson

(16:29):
and uh and foes such as Dr Octopus, Green Goblin Venom,
which we will talk too much about because I have
so many thoughts on you know, it's funny. I was
watching the animated the Old animated show, and I think
that was the first episode, and Aunt May is like
hiding bills from him, like past two bills, and he
was like, why does she hide these from me? And

(16:50):
he like pulls it. Also, he looks like is he older?
Like he looks much older in the animated he's he's
he's like edged kid. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was
just like Polo Forever. Yeah, he definitely his face looked older.
But it was so sad because I'm like, oh my gosh,
I don't remember watching this as a kid. Of like,
my aunt needs help paying the bills and I need

(17:11):
to help her. I was like, oh my god. With
some adult themes very much so um. Also, the beginning
animation is hilarious to me because it's like, no, it's
not good. That's why it's beautiful, because it's just you.
When you think about it, you're you have to look
up and go, wow, this looks like a I don't know,
an old arcade game. They outsourced a lot of animation

(17:32):
on that show. You can see when they're like, we
couldn't afford this, had to put it out there to
whoever you can make it for cheap. Uh. Yeah, So
COI talk us through this first appearance of him and
what this first run was like. So Spider Man was
invented by Stanley and Steve Diko because he was a
character they couldn't get in a book. So Stanley wanted
to make a character that wasn't your traditional superhero. He
wasn't someone that was like larger than life and very important.

(17:55):
So he was arguably, and I would argue, one of
the first, if not the first underdog superhero that achieved
the mainstream status he did. He was invented an Amazing
Fantasy fifteen, which was the last issue of the run.
So not only would they not let him put him
in his own title, at first, they were like, all right,
it's canceled, throwing the book. So it's one of the
reasons Amazing Fantasy fifteen so hard to get is it
was a low print run because they were ending amazing fantasy.

(18:16):
So they threw this character that everybody was like spiders.
Nobody like spiders. Why would we make a man out
of a spider? So he was put in this fantasy run. Uh.
It was then the last issue and they didn't find
out how popular he was for like four months because
it was the time of like waiting for receipts in
print and the mail. So then they got the numbers
back and it was this huge hit. So he got

(18:37):
his own title very quickly after they found out the numbers.
An Amazing Spider Man Number one took off like crazy.
Spider Man has been selling very well, you know, within reason,
like with with what comics were at the time, from
the beginning, and it's one of the reasons that's so
hard to get those older issues is people have loved
him from the beginning because he represented us. He was
the rare character from nineteen sixty three that was an

(18:57):
eyeline for people reading comics. He wasn't large than life,
he wasn't brooding. He was a great power meets great
responsibility foil for the rest of comic books, and he
was what we all wanted to be in a superhero.
He still had problems, He's still had his aunt's bills
to pay, He's still at all those things. So it
felt the most like everyone picking up these comics, especially
in the early sixties. So Spider Man was invented as

(19:18):
a this is the last chance for us to try it.
It then did really well, and then it gave a
lot of credibility to Stanley and Steve Dicko do what
they wanted. And that's why I think he is one
of the best rogues galleries and comics, because it wasn't
a hundred cooks in the kitchen. It was Stanley and
Steve Dicko going like, uh, Doc, Doc, what about the
Vulture and all these characters that wouldn't actually fit narratively

(19:38):
with a lot of other superheroes. And I'd argue Spiderman
and Batman have the two best rogues because they had
the most foundation of trust from the public. Yeah, definitely.
I'd also say I feel like one of the main,
uh biggest and you know, we've I think I've brought
this up with Miles and I but I think the
main tent poles to Spider Man's success is and this
became a line in the movie. Anyone could wear the mask.

(20:01):
Anyone can be behind the mask. You look at Spider Man,
I'm looking. You don't know what he looks like under there,
you see you see you know Batman's white, you know,
you know Superman's white. You know, like Spider Man, anyone
could be behind the mask. So that let any kid
look at the superhero and put themselves in his shoes,
especially in action. So and I think that's what kind
of let Spiderman just kind of soar throughout all generations.

(20:26):
And then you know, Miles was just the icing on
the cake. But at any point in time, people were
able to look at Spider Man and see themselves. And
that's why I like now that the Spider Verse has
spread so that you have Silk and you have these
other you know, now you have like female bodies behind
the mask, so that you know, it kind of serves
the purpose no matter your gender identity. I think also

(20:47):
his age, I mean it really set him apart. Was
like their kids reading these comics and they can relate
to the fact that he's trying to cope with both
of these worlds of being a kid fitting in and
all of all of that trauma that comes from high
cool and while also trying to save the world or
you know, your friendly neighborhood spider me whatever. Um yeah yeah.

(21:09):
So uh so after that we just tackled the sixties.
So Steve Deco and Stanley ran it for quite some time,
and then John Remane, a senior, took over and John
Remador was the artist with with a different style on Spidy.
He became a little more handsome. They aged him up
a little bit. He wasn't quite an adult, but he
was like you know, Mary Jane's influenced and Gwen Stacy

(21:31):
and now he's going out party in and man, those
comics when you first meet Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane
are crazy because they talk so late sixties early seventies,
like Mary Jane does not speak English for about forty issues.
There are so many like jive turkey yah, the cats
me out like the face of Tiger you just hit
the jackpot is iconic because it was one of the
only lines that makes sense in modern for nation. Mary

(21:53):
Jane spoke crazy and I love that because if you
read these old comics, it's like every party kid was
reading this book being a yeah that's what tip, yeah daddy,
and you're like what were these kids on? And it
really translates to the time in a way where Spider
Man went from the nerd that was really good in
science to meeting a girl. And this was way ahead
of its time. Gwen Stacy was a scientist and his

(22:14):
first real, real true love was Gwen Stacy. Now he dated,
he liked Liz Allen, he liked Betty Brandt. He liked
these like casual things. But Liz was dating Flash and
that caused rivalry Flash Thompson, which is a great dynamic.
Betty Brandt was at the Daily Bugle j Jon and
Jamison as an icon to Spider Man, there's so much
Spider Man's not not just as rogues gallery, but a
supporting cast is also insanely iconic. But what Jeonomy Senior

(22:35):
did was he brought everything to a different flavor, in
different dynamic. He made it even more approachable. Because now
we've loved Spider Man for forty issues. I think the
last Dicko issue is thirty three, I think, so. I
think Senior took over at thirty four, so we've had
three years with this style, so we've already invested. So
now when he's like a little more handsome. He's got
a little bit more charm. Now. Everyone that's like I'm
like Spider Man's like I'm a little more handsome. And

(22:57):
I think they're starting to identify with like, oh, look
at the girl he gets, look at the girl. He
almost gets look at look at me? Struggling to identify
with this new version of myself. And I think that's
another thing about him wearing a mask is he can
always evolve. And with Mary Jane, it was a cat
and mouse game of she was the party girl, he
was the smart guy. And Mary Jane's had a great
arc and Mary Jane could be in her own movie.
I swear like Mary Jane solo, I get grapped for it.

(23:19):
But I think Mary Jane doesn't get enough credit that
she matured through Gwen Stacy's death. She was a party
girl that saw Peter falling apart and completely changed how
she reacted to society by way of coping with Peter's loss.
And I think that's an incredible arc for a character
that doesn't get enough credit. They killed Gwen Stacy. Jerry Conway,
who invented Punisher, keeps coming back. Um. Jerry Conway invented

(23:40):
uh this narrative where we lost Gwen. Because fun fact,
and very few people know about this, Jerry Conway was
originally told to kill aunt May and he said that
aunt May was the lynchpin that kept Peter grounded, so
if we killed her would lose everything. It was his
idea to kill Gwen Stacy. And the death of gwyn
Stacy was so important. It didn't just change Spider Man,
it changed comics. Comics were silver Age, which was a
different size, and the format changed two months later because

(24:02):
it changed comics forever. So the death of Gwen Stacy
changed comics. Uh, and then that changed Mary James dynamic.
Not to cut you off of rant, yeah, yeah, no,
but I want you to rant more. How specifically did
it change in size? Was the Gwen Stacy issue a
different size or was it so? Up until this point,
they were referred to as the Silver Age of comics,
and the Death of Gwen Stacy was issues one two. Uh.

(24:26):
Punisher comes around and in between those issues. When you
go to the comics store, you can buy either silver
Age bags and boards or modern age bags and boards,
and they're actually about a quarter inch narrower. Comics today
are actually thinner and the impact that run that Jerry
Conway did actually changed a before and affort for Marvel Comics,
and I think then DC followed suit. But within this year,

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Span Comics actually changed format from size because it was
so important to the comics. So it's a physical representation.
And do you know why they decided to make it small.
I've never gotten I like, don't want to miss quote
because I've never heard a real reason, but I know
it happened with Spider Man and with this time period,
and I think I think everyone else is like, that's
not why. But it's like, guys, look, look he did.

(25:07):
Look over here, We're not dumb. So Gwen Stacy was
the change, but no one I'll be like, you mean,
like when Marvel did a post credit scene and then
all of a sudden other places where they were going
to do it all along and someone here's an example
from one movie that didn't like that didn't really count,
Like in Jurassic Park, you heard the thump of feet
after so yeah, like that. Yeah, So Gwen Stacy was huge,

(25:29):
and then Mary Jane obviously came to play, and then
he's also had like Black Cat and all these amazing
other love interests. So I think another strength of Spider
Man is that the female characters have always been a
driving force and not just a supporting like name three
of Batman's greatest loves, like you got Taliagule, Vicky Vl.
Like there's not like a run where a Spider Man
I could name like ten of important Like that was like,

(25:51):
did like you didn't leave with Catwoman because I'm gonna
gonna I'm gonna go daughter of very important And those
are the two. I was like, that woman, I'll you
went Vicky Vale. And I was like, but That's what
I'm saying is like when you list Spiderman loves, you
can listen like six or seven plus the costumed ones. Yeah,
because it's it's really important to his dynamic. And I

(26:11):
think that also makes a more approachable character, because I
think women can see Spider Man way more approachably than
than certain others, Like Superman to me has always been
just out of reach. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say
Batman is kind of womanizing, yeah, like it's part of
his character. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. There's like a
difference in how both characters kind of court their love interest,

(26:32):
where Batman is like I'm rich well yeah, I mean,
but also both of their families died, but one family
had a lot of money. Yeah, and now it's a
cover to women like Bruce kind of a dick. Yeah.
So one thing I want to because I know we're
probably not going to go deeper in Spider Man, but

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you brought up a good point of Mary Jane. Do
you want to tell the listeners about that Mary Jane
run that they had? Remember it was like, is it
like Peter Loves Mary Jane or the Mayor? Well, it's beautiful. Yeah,
the Mary Jane solo run. So Mary Jane had a
great run that was like a like a soap opera.
It was like this really great teen heartthrow book from
her perspective. And there's been a few, like different arcs,
but that's definitely a strong one to say with this

(27:14):
manga style on, and she's very go getter and she's
very self starting, and you see that she's strong because
of what she went through. She also lived with her aunt,
her aunt Hannah if you remember from the animated series,
so she also had an abusive father. She went through
all this stuff, and that that run really illustrates like
how strong Mary Jane can be. And there's also a
great run by Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale called Spiderman Blue,
and it shows the love triangle between Gwyn and Mary

(27:36):
and how much earlier she liked Peter and how she
was dealing with him him being with Gwen, and it's
this really fifties classic, almost watercolor style art. So Mary
Jane when she gets the chance to be in comics
always has like every creator is like, let me do
the Mary Jane book. And then more recently in comics,
she became the assistant to Tony Stark, so she became
a pepper Pots Cave character and was running Stark Industries.

(27:57):
So Mary Jane's a boss. She's like a runway model
by night, like an entrepreneur by day. And uh, I
think Zindaa's playing her is pretty great. I love it.
It's so great. And I love that she's been clapping
back at people online that red haired eyes such a
universal like that's right, yeah, oh man. So, um, you know,

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we do have to take a break, but you know
we're gonna go into more Spider Man. We're gonna pause
the Mary Jane talk and probably come back to it.
When we talked to a moment in time and uh,
all of that, but you know, listen to these messages
and we'll be right back. Welcome back to Nerdificent as

(28:43):
always is your boy if you widy way across from me,
Danny Fernandez and our dope guest koy Gen Drew, how
you doing doing great? Man? Keeping out about Spidy is
the spice of life. I love that you're also you
and Hector are both you are competing Spider Man encyclopedic knowledge.
It's I met Hector and we both had this like
that like not like the Tyler dirt and not it

(29:06):
can be only one, but he always comes on. When
he's on, he says the same thing kind of that
if he was saying is for why he gravitated towards
Spider Man because he's brown and he was like I,
it was the one character that I could pretend that
I was, um so yeah. But a lot of spiderheads,
well what's interesting is is uh, I mean spoiler alert Internet,

(29:26):
I'm a white guy. But if you've never seen me.
But what I always found interesting about Spiderman is I
look more like Flash Thompson. Uh, and I and I
love Peter Parker, like my nest is very actually, uh,
this is probably India long Enough actually went out for
Flash in the Andrew Garfield version, Like I am a
Flash type. So it's always been interesting that I registered

(29:49):
with Spider Man so much because I've always felt way
more like him than anyone else in the space and
and it's such a different type of But now Flash
is brown. But now Tony, it is so interesting so
many because now because I because I don't know if
it was the episode you're on, but I auditioned for

(30:11):
Cyborg and so it's like now people can fan fancasting
what would look like if Coy was Flash. Dude, me
and Tony actually brought out at this Cherry event. We
were both like, Yo, what would your Flash do in
this situation? What would your Flash do? And we had
like a what off what if off? And it was
the most amazingly geeky thing. I remember, like, Yo, I
think I'd handled this this way if I was the Flash. Yeah,
I mean speak before we jump back in the Spider Man.

(30:33):
When that new Netflix show what If, I got excited
for a second that they were going to do like
Marvel what ifs. That is like a show that I
will to doom do Doom break, but they are on
Disney Plus. Disney Plus. It's gonna be on Disney Plus. Okay,
it's coming animated, text my manager. The first one is
of Peggy Carter wheelded the shield instead a cap. Yeah,

(30:54):
it's gonna be crazy. That's gonna be What if? It
was such a fun concept and I I think they're
going to do the cool stuff first, but I can't
wait till it gets to like the goofy stuff. Yeah,
what if Deadpool had got hit with a Gamma ray?
You know, yeah, Deadpool wielding and stuff running around before
we hop into the animated series, which was a huge thing.

(31:15):
What are some key points in the comics that people
should I know. We could talk about the comics for
four hours, literally as long as the Internet on. I
could talk about Spider Man, but I mean, like, what
are some key points that people need to know that
happened to him in the comics. Okay, so this is
actually crazy, guys. I I was unavailable and then suddenly
was able to join this and I want to let

(31:36):
the Internet know that I have a note in my
phone un prepped tend to finding Spiderman arcs because I
lived this life. So let the record show. This was
just in case. I'm what I did. We did as
COI I hit coy up at the last minute. I
think today did I have you today? I asked you
this morning to come on this podcast. Um, and I
love that you already had notes prepared just in case

(31:58):
someone asked you to be on a podcast about Spider Man,
because people ask me on the street all the time.
So I literally this note was written June. I say,
tend to finding moments and arcs. Amazing Spider Man thirty
three is the moment that they may earn. A lot
of the art is the him lifting up the building,
and it's and it's him showing that like strength doesn't
get you everywhere, it's will power. It's it's the will
to keep going. That's such a Spider Man moment. Amazing

(32:20):
spider Man one two, the death of Gen Stacy, as
I said, changed comics forever. Amazing to forty eight is
uh the kid who collects Spider Man. It is a
single issue that will break your heart ten ways from Sunday.
It is about a boy who's basically a Make a
Wish kid that Spider Man goes to visit and shares
his last day with him going on adventures before he passes,

(32:42):
and it's powerful any and spoiler alert. Unmasks in front
of the kid and like, let's him know he's Peter
Parker and that he's there with him, and it's it's
truly the heart of what Spider Man is and it's
it's so incredible. Craven's Last Hunt is one of my
favorite mini series. Craven's Last Hunt is brutal and dark
and shows the other side of Spider Man. Amazing two
fifty two is when the Black Costume comes to the mainstream.
The black costume that will become them, which I'm sure

(33:02):
we'll dive into, was introduced in Secre Wars number eight,
but then translated into the mainstream in to fifty two.
Amazing Spider Man Volume two, number thirty to thirty seven
is the first uh Spider Man going back to school
as a teacher. It's this really great run where you
see Peter as like the leader as an adult, still
not Tony Stark, which struve me not when Dan Slot
did that, but that's another conversation, but him as an adult.
It's Strazynski run, which is about the Spider Totem, which

(33:23):
lays the groundwork way back into thousand one for the
Spider Verse, which is the movie you see now. So
eighteen years of round work two thousand and one and
a beautiful thing, uh Spider Man did to reflect the
horrible thing that happened to thousand one was when the
Twin Towers went down. Instead of just publishing as normal,
they interrupted their run and did an entire issue about
villains and heroes teaming up to clean up New York City,

(33:45):
and they show the Towers going down. So Spiderman is
one of the few heroes that addressed the terrorist attacks
head on. And it's a really beautiful issue, and it's
an all black cover. It's it's really special and that's
his city. Yeah, and that's that's He's such a part
of the Spider Man is such a part of New
York and vice versa that I love that they like
use Spider Man to be like, hey, we won't stand
for this. So that's issue thirty six. Within that run
Ultimate Spider Man, any of them, but especially one through thirteen,

(34:06):
they did a hunter than thirty three issues. That's the
longest run between a creator, the writer and an artist
of all time, the longest colab between Mark Bagley and Vendice.
They have the record now and anything in that run
is great. Um, amazing. Spider Man five forty three is
great and to nine and two thirty is him against
the Juggernaut. H nothing can stop the Juggernaut is a
fantastic run. So those are my top ten. I think

(34:27):
definding moments and just in my phone Lee the nerdiest
moment I've gotten to be Like, Yo, got this note? Well,
met gave everyone everything they needed. Also, I just wrote
down the numbers and the rest are from memory. So
if I forgot your name at a party, it's because
I've stored this in my head joke. Uh. So I
think those are good places to jump on. And actually, um,

(34:50):
this is Tuesday, I can say we had Jake Jillen
Hall on my show Comic Book Shopping, and we go
over some of my favorite runs of Spider Man. So
there's actually a bunch of breakdowns of some those titles
and why I think they're important to the mythos. Uh.
And it's cool to hear Jake's perspective on Spider Man
because he's mysterio. Also interesting because it has to do
with like an alternate universe, and Jake Joan Hall was

(35:12):
in a movie that dealt with an alternate universe in
Donnie Darko. That's right, an alternate universe, wasn't Spider Man. Yeah,
so there you go. There is spiderse Well six degrees
zero degrees, zero degrees, and Jake joe On Hall did
a Netflix original movie called Velvet Bus Saw and John
Burnhal is Netflix zero degrees, zero degrees, zero degrees, we
did it. So talking about the animated series, yeah, so

(35:37):
it looks like that during a while the X Men
animated series was being produced by Sabon, Spiderman was actually
being produced by newly formed Marvel Films Animation, and it
was the only series that had in house studio production,
but it was animated by the TMS Kikuchi Corporation and
Coco Enterprises. So so like that it seems like they

(35:58):
were developing it in house like animation while they're like,
all right, i'll do it, we'll start out later. And
then also Animal Sam Uh Sam Juan and Soul Movie
did additional animation for the series, although they were uncredited,
so that to me it sounds like too many animations.
Not the best side uncredited animation yeah. Yeah. It ran
from ninety four on Fox Kids Network and then later

(36:22):
on Tune Disney. Oh my god, Tone Disney Disney, Yes, Bunkers,
yeah uh in Disney XD, which now has the Spider
Verse essentially as Miles, Moralice and Spider Gwen and and
all have had their benefits, Like all the shows have
had their strengths and weaknesses. I think Spidy has been
a more consistent animated character. What was great too, we

(36:42):
I think we talked about this when we did the
X Man Animated series episode. I think that's the one
we did. Um is how the animated shows were pretty
true to the comics. Get like even just with the
Venom arc with more bus all, like, it really brought
in these characters in a that really honored like the page.

(37:04):
There was a multiverse like back then whatever, there was
a multiverse where we met other Peter Parker's another Spider Man,
so you know, into the Spider Verse taught kids quantum theory,
which is crazy, but that taught the multiverse concepts way
back in the nineties. So Spider Man has always been
weirdly ahead of the curve by like hey guys, children,
trust me, you'll like this storyline and then it gets weird. Well,

(37:25):
I feel like that was just a lot of animated
shows in the nineties where they're like, look, we know
your kids, but we also know you can handle this. Yeah,
and we know you'll appreciate this adult watching with your children.
Ye yeah, yeah, I I remember watching, uh that that
show for so long. And hankas Area, uh the Simpsons
Thespian is actually venom, which blew my mind. Mind well,

(37:47):
and Mark Hamill is Hobgoblin. Didn't know that, and Ed
Asner is in it, he plays J. J. James. Yeah,
that's amazing. Yeah, that's that's wild. Another iconic jone. Uh,
because J K. Simmons in the sam Rami Spider Man
is like such a such a bar like the same
Rami Spider Man's. I like the same Ramy Spiderman's But

(38:09):
I think I I am in the minority that I
don't rewatch them often their piece of the time. But
I the new ones are really where the Spider Man
is in my heart. Like I love how much people
love the same Ramy ones. But to me, Toby was
never fully Spider Man, and I think Tom Holland is
fully freaking Spider Man. When I met him for press,
I was like, I'm not talking to a human, I'm
talking to a Spider Man and three D and that's
that's that goes against all of my like l a

(38:30):
instinct Where'm like separate the actor from the role. And
I was like, no, no no, Spiderman's over there. Did you
see that clip of him with Tom Hanks? And it
was so funny that he was like having a Yeah,
and he when he acts, he's an accent as American
and they're like, hey, by the way, did you forget
you're from London? Bro? Yeah? It was so funny. But

(38:51):
he's so used to having to act like an American
high school acting hat. He's like how do I? And
I just feel like Tom Holland. I think all three
of the live action, the mainstream live action Spiderman have
their strengths, but Tom Holland flips into frame like Tom
Holland has been training for this since he was born,
and I just it's him through and through. And I
think Andrew Garfield was was a really underappreciated, like he

(39:12):
never got good right. Had we gotten the right movies
for Andrew, it would have been a different story. Yeah.
He also didn't have the same because Tom Holland has
the advantage of being behind like he got to be
in Civil War. He got to have like all this
entire cast behind him of like Iron Man, Captain America,
like everything leading up to this, whereas the other Spider
Man's didn't. Yeah, I feel like what really kind of

(39:35):
like Andrew Garfield really did have the middle child syndrome
because everything he did was compared to Toby, and Toby
had that great kind of like locked in first two
movies that everyone loved. Everyone look read I personally really
loved one. I need to go back and watch two
because I remember not enjoying it and everyone's like, that's
the best one. And I was like, I don't know,

(39:56):
like for some reason, and I think I was really
caught up on him revealing himself as Spider Man and
Mary Jane like, for me, like the best Spider Man
story is when she doesn't know. And I think, like,
because this came out when we were like teenagers, so
like that sounds like a dumb teenager thing to be
Like he told Mary Jane, this sucks not fully missing

(40:18):
that there, that's a huge chunk of Spider Man. No, No,
I don't like it. I didn't like. I love the
iconography of the scene with the train, but I'm also
like y like whenever he's like carrying him like Jesus down,
Like I get it. And then the visual medium but like,
but remember there's that like no one's gonna tell yeah,

(40:42):
like you're not gonna find like you might find good
New Yorkers. I love New Yorkers, but you're not going
to find a hundred good news who's not going to
reveal Spider Man at j Jonah Jameson who you know
has like a full hundred thousand dollars on the identity
on Spider Man's idea if you're taking public transit mid
day and you're stuck and you're mad, you're gonna profit.

(41:03):
Oh yeah, You're like, I'm gonna make some money. So
that bothered me a bit still this day when I
think of that image and he's like making fart face,
bro your mask. You know, everyone took out their razor
phones and like, what's this eight bit image? No, Kia
egg I would love it if that's the justification. They're
like they're like white male between the ages of sixteen

(41:25):
and sixty, brown hair in New York great Back to
the d be anyone from Toby Maguire to Jack Jillenhall
or the other white actors playing. Yeah, I guess you know,
this is a good time to pivot into a discussion
about the movies, because you know, the animated series was great.
We kind of, I feel like, touched on it on
the most so it's so accurate, Like I feel like

(41:45):
it's really tricky to dive into because the only thing
it did wrong was it was a product of censorship.
So if you watch them, they punish or doesn't use
guns us as a laser gun. Well, that's one thing
I was noticing is they only use realistic guns in flashbacks,
which I'm like, what is the rule on that? Like
if in that past it's a lot like what some
sensors like, as long as the present day is environment,

(42:08):
it might get the wrong idea. The only thing that
I didn't like, Yeah, so we were right. It was
set in his college years at Empire State University, and
I kind of wish that it was I like his
high school run and I think that's why Tom Holland
speaks he's the Harry Potter run. Like we're getting that
growth into spider Yeah, whereas Ad Puberty. Yeah. And I
feel like the animated series he was awkward, but he

(42:29):
was not quite there. And I wanted there to be
a time in the live action films where Toby lived there.
But I feel like when we met him in the
first movie, everyone was already like CW high school, not
real high school, and that was a struggle. So I
feel like the animated series is damn near perfect. So
it's hard to really touch on because it covered the
Clones saga, covered multiverses, It covered villains that we've never
seen translated to film. It covered so much of what

(42:50):
makes Spider Man tick, and it ran long enough that
we actually got to appreciate. I think it was like
six years. It was four years. Four years, okay, Yeah.
When I was a kid, it felt like for uh yeah,
So let's hop into the film. So we had the
first one with, like you said, with Toby maguire. Also,
before we get into Toby, we should talk about the
James Cameron almost Spiderman movie. Do you guys have any

(43:12):
of that? James Cameron was making a Spider Man movie. Uh,
that was supposed to be a James Cameron Spiderman with
Arnold Schwartzenegger as Otto Actavius and then you're going to
say Peter Parker with grand Power, but no, I love that.
There was almost that movie, and he was like, I think,
fresh off true Lies, who was going to be Peter Parker?
I remember would have been back then like Leo Leonardo DiCaprio.

(43:36):
That was the parody I remember. Okay, so the word parody,
I didn't know what it meant. So Wizard Magazine, do
you guys remember Wizard magazine. Wizard Magazine was like entertainment
weekly for nerds. It was like what the public, It's
got a trade Uh, it's got news in the back
it as a price guide, and Wizard ran a full
page ad that in the small tiny print said parody
underneath all the billing, but it was this painted image

(43:57):
of of Leo as Spiderman. It's a James Camp Presents.
So for like three months, I was like, I know
a secret, they're making a Spider Man movie. And it
was until I showed my dad and he's like, oh,
I'm so parody means it's it's a spoof. And it
broke my heart and I'll never forgive, Like I'm still
upset about it, like to this day, did you not
read Mad Magazine? I didn't. It was in a print
magazine that wasn't usually jokes like Mad Magazine, Wizard like

(44:21):
this is the news. I feel like if Time like
it was time for me as a kid, Like if
Time Magazine is like yo, Leo Spider Man, You're like,
oh shit, Leo Spider Man. So it broke my heart.
But back then I think they had like a Michael J.
Fox type or something. Um. But Arnold was going to
be Auto and it was this crazy thing where like
Auto and Spidy were both bit by the Spider. It's
written where there's like this crazy drug trip and he

(44:42):
like wakes up and like gets It's one of the
craziest scripts every and you can find it online. You
can google it. So before Toby was Spider Man, you
should read about Auto and he says Ultra woos a
lot and okey dokey ten times. You know it would
be funny is if if Tom Holland has gets to
see himself in the future and it's current Daily Arto DiCaprio,

(45:02):
I'll like it happened. The parody is real, that's what. Oh,
it's like into the Spider Verse when you set anyways,
Toby McGuire. Um, uh, yeah, So Spider Man had a trilogy,
the Sam Raimi ones that were starring Toby McGuire. The

(45:24):
first one came out May third, two thousand and two.
It was a big deal summer movie like we have now.
And also I just want to remind people that were
I'm pretty sure getting a trilogy like whenever I said
that during Infinity War when Tom Holland disappeared, and I'm like,
he has a trilogy contract. Everybody, It's okay, he's coming back.

(45:45):
He spoiler alert, spoiler home and then it's going to
be as another Home related one. But anyways, that's what
happens in the movies. They get these trilogy contracts. Anyways,
two thousand and two, did you see it in the theaters?
It was the movie at the time I had seen
most in theaters. Um. I was a wee lad of fourteen. Uh,

(46:06):
and I man, I love that movie. I had just
gotten a job, I think very recently, as like a
paper boy or something something like kids can do. And
I spent so much money going back and seeing Spiderman
over and over again. And I loved Norman Osborne. I
thought that, like, that's how I discovered William to Foe,
That's how I discovered like that type of filmmaking. Dude,

(46:27):
the moment they're having the Thanksgiving scene, Uh, I've I've
to this day, I think that's one of the only
movies that should be conduted with a Thanksgiving movie. Like
everybody's got their Christmas movies, every got their Fourth July movies. Goddamnit,
Spider Man's a Thanksgiving film. Give it the holiday it deserves.
And there was subtle stuff in it, like Spider Man's
wearing Norman Osborne's colors and Norman's wearing Spiderman's colors that scene,
And it was when I first started seeing details in

(46:48):
film like that, and I started seeing like, you know,
like little Nuance and uh. I always thought that that
was a really good way for kids to translate in
the comics because they did that Power Ranger green green
Goblin suit, which I hated, but it made it really
a coachable for toys, and to this day, like J. K.
Simmons is, Jonah is one of the best characters in
any comic film, like Hard Stop. So I loved it.
I thought they did a really good job. I love

(47:09):
that Jim and Gilianos now a D and D NERD
and he played Flash like that. That really makes me happy. Um,
But those first three we were really good for their time.
But I think that we have let some nostalgia tied
into them. Like I never got into the camp be
Sam Raimi flavors much a lot of people. And this
isn't disparaging people that love it. I just it's not
my Spider Man. It was he got Peter Parker down,
but I never felt like Spider Man was fully on screen. Nice.

(47:31):
We got two more trilogies or one one alleged trilogies
from the from the voice of Danny Fernandez, Uh to
get into. But first we gotta hit breaks one more time,
one last time, and we're gonna get into the last
two trilogies and then kind of talk about, you know,
the future Spider Man, what we think is going to happen,
things that were excited about, and maybe we'll even talk

(47:51):
about that video game and the Broadway musical. No, we'll
skip that turn. No, right after these messages and welcome back,
it is your boy here once again. It's what the

(48:13):
same folks. Danny Fernandez right across me and row flinging.
Webb's yeah, yeah, the whip that that's like the one
like agreed upon web sound. He gets an automopia. He
gets one, and it's allowed. Also, I want to say
before we leave the webbing, I've always loved that Spider
Man is so underdog and so mortal that he runs

(48:33):
out of web fluid. I love I'm a mechanical Webshooters guy.
I think organic adds a certain level of sensuality that
makes me uncomfortable. But I think the webbing is a
cool thing that he can run out of because it
makes me more human because when he runs out of webbing,
he's like, I'm just falling, And that's always made him endearing.
When you were talking about the comic, what was the
commentary that you were saying it was It wasn't just
about how they've reflected in montrefl It wasn't just about strength.

(48:55):
Is about willpower, Like he had the strength, but he
didn't He didn't have the strength, but he had the willpower.
And that comes back to what Tony Stark told him
in Homecoming, which was if you if you're nothing without
the suit, you shouldn't happen and they keep And I
love that the new Marvel trilogy is able to reflect
power and responsibility about saying it. They're able to reflect
that without saying like they're able to be like these

(49:17):
are the lessons. But I do want to give that
one fun factoid about great power and responsibility that when
it was originally a text box on the last panel
of his first appearance, and then it was attributed to
Uncle Ben, which is a fun thing that they're like, oh, yeah,
check that out. I have something for us. Oh there's

(49:39):
the Magic Spider Man, Spider Man, a spider game, any
side cat just like guys, I'm just fire Man. Yeah,
that's the good stuff, right. They didn't even talk about

(50:00):
that cartoon. That cartoon also amazing and when before we
leave the original trilogy, Alfred Molina as do Cock is
one of the best performances of the hundred superhero movies
we have now, Alfred Malinas dot Cock is amongst the
best villains. We got to hang out with Alfred Malina
as well at the Yeah so Octavious, Uh yeah, So

(50:29):
moving on to Andrew Garfields. Uh, and that came out
the amazing Spider Man that came out in directed by
Mark Webb. Yeah, like we were saying, it wasn't as
received as well, it was too soon after how much
people loved Toby and Spider Man three had a lot
of problems, but it made a lot of money, so

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even though it wasn't the best movie, it certainly was
seen by everyone. So I don't think it really helped
Andrew Garfield that he was following up a beloved two
and a half movies. The Sandman in Spiderman reasoncredible. They
just the studio made him put venom in it, and
Toby and tofor that was but Amazing Spider Man I
think suffered from too many cooks, way too many people
were working on it. I love. I think the comedy

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when he's in characters some of the best because they
had stand up comedians do punch ups on both Amazing
Spiderman one and two. In spite he's quipy as hell,
he's great, but you're never really invested in the Lizard.
You're never really invested in Jamie Fox's Smurf, Like, you're
never really there, so you can't care about the hero
if you don't like care about the villain. And that's
what Netflix learned with Kingpin and Punisher and all these things.

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When you've got a good villain, you've got a better hero.
And the amazing Spider Man franchise never gave us that.
The love story between Gwen and Peter is some of
the best stuff we've seen. When she does spoiler when
she dies in Spider Man two, that moment is straight
out of the comics, to the point where she dies
an amazing Spiderman number one and as she falls down
the clock tower, the clock stops at like they paid attention.
It's beautiful. But if you don't care about the villain, again,

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why are we here? Like dand Hans Harry Osborne is weird? Uh?
Norman Osborne's in the Jar was dumb. The post credit
scene where his parents came back that they deleted and
they brought back like that's a mess. But I will
say Mark Webb directed the best use of the Z
axis I've ever seen them do with Spider Man. Like
it was a three D shot film, so I didn't
just have the X and Y, I didn't just have

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the longitude and logitude, latitude and longitude. It actually used
depth of field really well. So when you watch that movie,
you actually see Spider Man go in the depth of
the frame and out towards you in a way that
really captures his movement. Well, so I'll give the amazing
Spider Man duo the credit for the z axis use
it's beautiful. Before we move on to Tom Holland, I
do have to talk about the Broadway musical Spider Man

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Turn Off the Dark from What do you remember of that?
This was like kind of all over the news and
not the best ways. But everyone got hurt, remember Melon
injured themselves. I remember being like, oh, okay, technology is
not as far as I was afraid. It wasn't like
that was one of my like oh, because I remember

(52:57):
there being like like Spider Man, it was real and
people on ropes and swinging, and then everyone got hurt
and Broadway I was like, Okay, we're not in the
future yet people are still so the music and lyrics
were written by Bono and The Edge from You Too.
In case you didn't know, it's currently the most expensive
musical and Broadway history. It cush seventy million, probably some

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of that in addition, the show's unusually high running costs
are reported. I've been around one point two million per week,
probably because they were paying out workers. Calm, oh my god,
one point to a week. Yeah, I don't it's it's
uh interestingly unmemorable, except for us all cringing when we
talk about it, which is really unfortunate. Okay, moving on
to a Civil War. We popped in Tom Holland and
we talked about on the Punisher episode that are good friend.

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John burn Thal helped Tom Holland audition for Spider Man.
We should also note that Tom Holland also loves puppies
as much as John burnthall loves holding dogs, so there's
another crossover for your dog lovers. You go. I think
that the moment in Civil War where we see Peter
Parker carrying a used VCR no I used DVD player
up the stairs is the moment our true Spider Man

(54:01):
was born. Uh. There's something so iconically Spider Man about
like taking something apart from parts, selling something, coming into
Aunt May and just being you know in that in
that mix. Uh. To me, he's been Spiderman since his
nerdy shirt, Like he's just Tom Holland gets it. He
he actively is an acrobat. He's actually very like nerdy
but endearing. He's got that, he's got Dick co from

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the O G and John Im the Senior. He's this
perfect amalgamation of like all the best, he's the greatest.
It's of Spider He's he's now that's what I call
Spider Man, and I love that, Like he's just everything
and the villains are great, and you really appreciate that.
In Homecoming, we're invested in Michael Keaton's Vulture so much
that the scene in the car this scenes one of
the best villain scenes ever and they're both and the

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scene where he overpowers him from across the room and
effectively has the goblin glidder use of the wings like
they're able to to subvert tropes while also giving us
comic nods while also surprising both casual fans and comic
I think his most Peter Parker moment is when he
saves him when he's about to catch on fire, when
the whole plane and everything crashes. He like runs over
and like still pulls him out. That's the most and

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then he leaves a cute little note. Yeah. Yeah, it's
like the most Peter Parker's Spider Man thing. It's I personally,
Tom Hollands, my Spidy and I think that this franchise,
we're in really good hands and he's young enough to
do it for you know, however long we get him. Yeah,
I can't wait till he grows up and does college change.
Like we can have su then we can have the
Scherzynski run later, we can do all these things because

(55:27):
right now he's our little ultimate Spider Man. He can
grow up into like married to Mary Jane, and then
Venom can come into the wait And I have another
ultimate Peter Parker moment is when he when Tony Stark
asked him to join officially and he says no. If
he says if it means that he has to come
and live here, then he says no, and he's like oh.
And then he turns around and was like, oh, is
this a test? And he was like yeah. And then

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there's like all the people in the press that we're
waiting for him. I love that it's those writers in
that team really get Spider Man, and I think I
think we're living in a golden age of Spider Man.
We've got the video game what, we've got the movies
that are iconic and amazing. We've got the Spider Verse.
We've got they're doing a TV show and a sequel
to Spider Verse. We're gonna have televised and theatrical Spider

(56:10):
Verse content coming up, and a sequel to the game.
As far as I know, like there's literally a boundless
Spiderman content and currently the comics are amazing. Nick Spencer's
writing amazing Spiderman. The main title. Chips at Arski's writing
a thing called life Story that's actually even reading it.
It takes place in the different decades, but he ages,
So it starts in the sixties and he's a kid,
and then in the seventies season his twenties, and the
eighties in his thirties, Like, it actually ages with time,

(56:33):
and so all the continuity is fair games. You can
play around with mythology. It's brilliant. So that's another run.
We've got some great stuff from like side, Spiderman's the
best he's ever been I think right now, and that's
hard to say with the character from the sixties. Yeah,
as well, I did want to touch on the Spiderman
game because our former guests Sam Mag's actually worked on it.
I don't know if you know, Sam, uh, Yeah, she

(56:54):
worked on it. She also interviewed on a show that
I did at Notrdice just into Chew, who's the art
director um and then Kelsey Beecham was one of the writers.
They had a lot of women that worked on and
I thought that was super dope. Over and SAWNI acts
Mary Jane got to be a character, like you actually
got to be Mary Jane. You actually got to see
her perspective. You could tell women were involved, and I
love that. I also that game, my buddy URI's the

(57:17):
voice of Spider Man, so I had a really cool
moment where I got to scroll through Facebook and see
him announce you as Spider Man. So I got to
be like my buddy Spiderman according to Facebook, which is
a weird real life moment. Yuri is Spider Man, Like
his voice was so perfect. He actually recorded multiple takes
of everyone depending on exertion, so he was running around
his sound booth like and like swinging and getting different takes.
And I love that that translates to the game. One

(57:39):
of the guys that go to Bringing Man with Kingpin,
Like that game is is so well cast well executed.
Just swinging around you can do that for days, Like
I I've a percent of that game, but I still
play because I just love swinging around New York. I mean,
that's the That's kind of how it was when the
original Trilogy Spider Man movie game came out, because that
one was good. It was and I think everyone it

(58:00):
agree and it was like the one that everyone was like,
I wish there was one as good as this, and
then Insomniac knocked it up the part. The last game
I played before this game was Spiderman on PS two
and Ultimate Spiderman MPs two. I didn't buy a p
S three. I bought a PS four Spiderman Edition four
spider Man, and I unfortunately haven't opened a single other
PS four games, So I spent four d and thirty
dollars in Spiderman. I haven't touched a console in between

(58:22):
Spider Man. It's a problem, y'all. We should note one
other voice actor or actor that voice Spider Man was
Jake Johnson. Obviously Spiderman into the Spider Verse, and I
think that duld version of Peter Parker, it's so good
like and I never if you told me, like ten
years ago or five years ago, when I kne who
Jake Johnson, Like, what are you talking about and then
he just is he's so like yeah, him and New

(58:43):
Girls deaf. I could see him being like an older
Spider Man. Yeah, I wouldn't have before, but now that's
all I hear. You know what I mean? Like, if
you don't, if you'd said that we're going to be
a multiverse Spider Man movie with Nicholas Cage of Spiderman,
Jake John like that sounds awful, sounds like Batman and Robin. Yeah.
And then it turned out to be one of the
most authentic representations of the character in any medium. Yeah,

(59:05):
and I love into the Spider Verse. It was my
number one movie from last year's Yeah, I didn't think
Infinity Work could beaten and then I was like, oh,
you made perfection cool. That was interesting, Like for it
to come after Infinity War was kind of like risky,
but that's just what they were like, you're gonna dig this,
and we did because they can bind multiple comic runs,
the Ultimate Green Goblins in there, and then you have
got sin Kevitch's Kingpin, which is like a painted style.

(59:28):
You've got a tombstone, which we've never seen in another medium.
Inside the comics. It really captured all the deep cut
Spidy stuff and translated it to the mainstream and Penny
and the anime style, Gerard gerarda Way's creation, My Chemical
Romance and Spider Man, and of course we have Spider
Ham voiced by John mulaney, which has been around for
shockingly long since the seventies. I think it was so

(59:48):
Spider Ham is an O G spidy character, which is
just insane in itself. And I you know, the sequel
and the show, like I could see it just going
on forever and we could live in this this insane
Spidy stuff. We are going to get a Spider Gwen, Yes,
one that will also have the silk Um and spiders.
Spider Spider Woman will be in it. I've heard, yeah, um,

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all of them, all the Spidies. And that's what's so
cool about the characters you were talking about. The mask.
It literally is one of the most iconic costumes, to
the point where even if they change everything, you're like, oh,
that's a Spider person. Yeah, and that's crazy, Like the
color can change, the design considers a Spider person. Yeah,
and it's it's already an investment. You're like, whatever that
character is here some money. Yeah, and it's just it's
so cool and and we we briefly touched on the villains,
but like the legacy of the villains. You've got all

(01:00:33):
the goblins, you've got all the animal based ones, you've
got all the symbian's, you've got all the the mafia types. Like,
there's so many different corners of the Spider Man lexicon
that are all great. Yeah, and it's so funny. I said,
we're going to talk about Venom, but um, we never
really got around to it. But mostly my my quick
take on Venom is Venom has been in one of
my favorite parts of Spider Man, but it's always been

(01:00:53):
ruined by someone trying to rush to it because Venom
is such a slow burn of like a character. Because
to get too Venom, you need black suit Spidy, you
need the beef between him and Brock, you need all
all that uh uh Eddie Brock. Yeah, I was like,
was I calling him Brock lesser picturing casting? But yeah,

(01:01:15):
just all that beef leads up to this because like
there is something in the sense of like Spider Man
realizing that this suit is bad and then someone being like, nah,
I like it, and I love the feeling. I love
the power to me, Venom and Ben Riley, two very
controversial characters, represent the same thing I like about Spider Man.
Ben Riley to me and I am one of the

(01:01:36):
five guys on the Internet that defends the Clones saga
represents power and responsibility gone too far. I think you
can be too responsible. I think you can choose to
do things to help others at the harm of yourself.
And I think Ben Riley represents like a site, a
psychic a psychotic break. I think Ben Riley's like I
don't know who I am. Oh wait, there's me, uh,
And it represents kind of this like the loss of

(01:01:57):
sense of self. And I think the Venom suit did
that with power. So when he had too much power,
it got in his head and he lost his sense
of responsibility. So I think Ben Riley and then I'm
kind of represent two sides of the same coin, with
Spiderman balancing in the middle. And that's why there's such
iconic pieces of the lore. But you know, we can
talk about Spider Man forever, but we are running long.

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So where can people find you? Coy? You can find
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So for Far from Home Spider Man, we brought Mr

(01:02:41):
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your side. But the Internet and I and then I'm
just like they can't like, I just go like I agree.
Oh no, I wrote. I asked Chris McKay and I
was like, um, Chris, does does Batman kill? And he
was like negatory and I was like, well, my Batman
kills But I'm just joking. It's just it's funny to

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me that that's like such a trigger for people. Also,
he has a lot of casualties on his hand. I
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If you and I will be at San Diego Comic
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We're probably gonna do a meet up. We'd love to
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