Nerdificent Best of 2019 Part 1

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, what's up, nerd fam? How you doing? It is
December thirty one, New Year's Eve, and I just want
y'all know we are thinking about you, but also we
are busy party and traveling, so we're gonna hit you
with some of the best of this year's ner defficent
to fill that void before you go party tonight. So enjoy.

(00:33):
I mean, I guess you will just jump right into it.
For anybody who's never heard of it or don't know
what what we're talking about, what is Afro anime? Well, um,
it's really based on like the first part of the
word afro, So like when people hear afro enemy, you
don't want to think about a frow like a hair.
Afro's more about that inspired by Africa, taking me from

(00:56):
the African lands. So if you're talking about fighting with
the Bens, you're gonna look at African weapons. If you're
talking about martial arts, you're not gonna see uh jiu jitsu,
You're gonna see like lamb or um some sent other
Senegal wrestling techniques, You're gonna see African techniques. And that's
the afro so basically African inspired in terms of lore techniques,

(01:19):
magic juju in an anime kind of medium, which is
like you know, when someone's angry, you have that not
on the head, you know, powering up some of those things.
It's a you know, we in creating the name, it
was kind of like it's very much African and die sport,

(01:39):
but we we also are going to give you know,
shouts out to the people that kind of you know,
brought us to the genre, like you know, So it
wasn't like we're going to create a name that completely
like disregards the contribution of those who did amazing work
and anime that got us even thinking about creating stories
in this media. Um, we're gonna create a name that okay,

(02:01):
shows show some love, but then very much lets you know,
this is Afro anime. This is uh, we're gonna tell
stories through the African lens. Right. So I used to
always say that, you know, when you're painting, you have
this like you know, your oils and all that, and
so anime is kind of like that you have always always,
But what you're drawing is the continent. You're drawing certain
themes in the continent Pan African, specifically Nigerian, specifically from Kenya,

(02:26):
specifically these different ethnic groups spirits. So when you're talking
about you know, Nato has the nine tails, we have
a tortoise. You know when we when we you know,
shout out to a Nancy. You know what's talking about
when we talk about Nancy, you know what we're talking
about West African thing, So you know that's sort of
what Afro anime is. What were some of the because um,

(02:47):
you both grew up watching anime, what were some of
the titles? I guess that really got you interested in
moving into animation. I mean I got it first and foremost.
Give a shout out to whoever made the decision um
on Cartoon Network to create. Know, you don't realize how
you've affected an entire culture of people. I'm talking about

(03:09):
from hip hop to like animation to even comedy. It's
so much ingrained into the culture. I just heard this
new artist, UM don't know, something like that or the Stallion,
and she had a bar that was like hair yellow
light go. I was like, see this is what I'm
talking about, Like we know where this came for us,
So shout out to Tonomi, like I don't know, we

(03:31):
used to rush and get our homework done just so
we can get in at that primetime hour from DBZ,
from Gundam Wing to Cowboy Beb, Samurai Jack, like Ronie Ketchen.
That was like like introduction and then we were like

(03:52):
we started getting on the internet more and we're like,
wait a minute, there's more. Sometimes you gotta get it.
But that was the only way we could get it.
And then getting your family involved, like that's the funny thing.
That's one thing we made a mistake a little bit.
Then enduring community is huge, huge, huge. I mean the

(04:13):
Black dives sport community is huge there they're looking for that.
This is the time before podcast, this era when we
did this Kickstarter, this is a time before podcast and
content push, so it was it was just a different
time before the Facebook girls even came out and all that.
So really your community was was critical. Well, if I
can just jump in for the time you're talking about

(04:33):
is very interesting because I feel like now black nerdiness
is very mainstream. But there was a moment not too
long ago where black people on Twitter figured out that
we all liked DBS for some reason. We all thought
we separately liked it, and we didn't. But you had
the same dudes who was jigging dudes you know who

(04:54):
were also into d b z yeayeah and so like
exploded online and right around the time that now we
hear it in music and all that. But there was
a time when we all thought it was like our
little corner and it wasn't as like in Vogue or
cool to just flaunt your nerdiness. So now we I
think we are in an era now where people are

(05:15):
super seeking it out too, especially when you got taste
of it like Afro Samurai and Boondocks. I know, people,
there's something you you touched on that I think is
is really important. I want to highlight because it's something
we've talked about in the past episodes where Hollywood, especially
coming from this personal spot in Hollywood, is there is

(05:36):
a regurgitation of just the same eurocentric stories. And then
I think you were right. You did see that trend.
You had Coco, you had Book of Life, and even
then we're slowly getting but it's slow. It's afraid because
like because they don't know these stories. So it's either
they're waiting for a Latinox creator to come and bring
it or still it. You know what we're saying, Like

(05:59):
all the way funky. You know, as I get older,
get a road in age. You know, something you know
I see among a lot of my you know, ethno
peers is their relationship with their ethnicity. And you know,
my mom's from Louisiana, my dad's from Nigeria, and you know,
my dad gives me what it gives me. But like
you know, the way I grew up, I was never
surrounded by a lot of other Nigerians. Like you know,

(06:21):
we went to the association meetings board out of your mind.
You gotta break it down. Association. So Nanginian is like
to meet in big organizations men and women. They call
associations associations with this so we're very You could be
three years old and you know how to conduct a
meeting because you like in no corporate meetings, nothing compared

(06:45):
to what I have to sit through. You know. Let's
we've been talking about Afro anime and there are certain
things that stuck out to people as Afro anime. And
you know, there's there's something we talked about during the
break that I want to hear you display for all
the listeners. But also why I think that's a good
thing because you almost said it like it was negative,
but I think it's a good thing. So we're gonna

(07:06):
talk about Afro Samurai and the Boondocks, which are like
the two I think closest things people will think of
if they're like Afro Animates, no doubt. Yeah, that's the problem.
That's the problem if you google, if you google it,
but real quick, I will start by saying the good Yeah,

(07:26):
I'll start by saying the good. Um. Shout out to
Aaron McGruder. I don't think he realizes what it meant
to young black kids who had a newspaper in their
hand and will go to the comics section and see representation.
Can we just take I'm gonna just take two seconds
to really land on that, because you are so right.
I would because I would run into the Sunday Funnies

(07:48):
and you know, first we had that one. For better
or worse I think it was. And shout out to
him too. I'm not gonna talk, but when I saw
boon Docks, that changed my life because not only was
it the black Man, but it also had an anime
style to it. So I was like, I'm in because
you know, really truly like too, because before that, like Animates,

(08:09):
me was just you know your dbcs. You show Tinchi
Muio so to see like an Afro done in an
anime style. It just opened my eyes to a new world.
So yes, your I totally know, Like that is the
good of being Like, oh you change my world. That's
the best thing I'm gonna say. And then that can
I start so here you is? So first of all,

(08:32):
to start with boondogs now, I mean, and I do
this with African futurism. Now, if you represent just the continent,
you actually represent the largest amount of black people in
the world period. So that representation is actually small by buondos,
actually does not represent the Dia spore. Like if you

(08:52):
would actually start from continent with perspective just by numbers, game,
yeah that's number one. Number two is like boom Docks
had this thing where like like what's that? What's that? One?
Um dude with the like like like why would I
create a character give life to an imaginary character that
hates on his own people? I can't do it? Like no,

(09:15):
this is very important, Like you got to understand the
power of media. Yeah, you gotta understand the power of media.
This already is in our community. It's already there. Now
we have a name for them. And my my take
on that is that because you it would do a
disservice for what Boon Docks was doing, because yeah, we

(09:35):
created Uncle ruck Is, but we still have Sheriff Clark
out there. We still got what what about the Ben Carson?
No this this just hurts to say because he's my man.
But like right now in this yeah, you know we
have those. So like I think that put like a

(09:58):
word because there is this idea it of like you know,
I know there's this idea that like, you know, I
feel like it is something to like he was speaking
to like this type of person that we always see.
And I think it's because like Boondocks is like specific,
but I think that still drives home your point that
it's only covering the small aspect of it. I'm the biggest, biggest, biggest.

(10:21):
I don't know what I want to say I say,
I don't want to say. I guess proponent, but I guess,
like I say this a lot where there's truth to
let that media you're controlling, and there was a point where,
like you know, you did have certain folks you know, Um,
I don't think I need to say which folks who
would take that character and really like him for the
wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's that Dave Chappelle off camera left. Yeah, yeah,

(10:45):
I know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm
talking about. Yeah, So, so, like I that is extremely valid,
But that was the main thing, like you said, like
you have characters that can easily become these like caricatures.
It got really hyper and like that's what I'm saying,
Like you know, you had your Hui, but he was
dipped in Japanese philosophy, you know, Like it was like
I couldn't like those things, like like we're again having

(11:08):
this one individual of African descent fully involved in Japan
full like as if we eables your boss, Uh, how
about something, how some massaia you can keep going who
don't have traditions that are really powerful that can help
you navigate the streets of whatever. And then so a
lot of those things like they kind of show this
kind of depiction that to me was very much, very

(11:30):
close to what's that dude media type individual. Yeah, I
put that in the and I put in the same
class because that's the thing is like like the frow
like like that's it. And and the corn Rows, Like
there's some just like literally with African futurism and all
these like what we're trying to do in independent creators
are trying to do. It's like even hair. Hair is
the most political thing that literally we have so many

(11:53):
different styles. Now whenever we try to have a character
draw draw one of our characters, they draw Kiwe remember
of that. Yeah, there was just to kind of take
you back when earlier when I talked about how everyone
had to go through Obie's regiment of reading African literature.
We had to deconstruct a lot of our artists, a
lot of our artists who we worked with, you know,
they were taught Western styles, maybe Japanese styles, so when

(12:16):
we brought them to an African story, they would bring
that with them and we had to literally break that
because there would be a situation where there's a full
description of how this character is supposed to look, and
the artists would come back with this random, uh stock
African mask, not even African masks, like a tiki mask

(12:37):
on the arm, and then some Hughey type hair and
we're like and no shirt, Like wait, that's where did
you get this from? And they're like, oh, this is like,
it's an African character, Like did you read the description?
And then with one of our other characters, we had
to actually stop one of our artists because we realized
every scene the character was getting lighter and lighter and lighter,

(13:00):
to the point where I was like, whoa, bro, what
is what is going on? And he was like, oh um,
I don't don't. He couldn't even answer me. He didn't
he didn't even realize what was just and like what
was internal? Well, yeah, that's totally systematic, and you see
it all the docks is part of that system that
sime and even depiction of black women. Let's talk about

(13:24):
that Bundogs like like Bundogs is not is not it?
In terms of like I'm being real, like, like, is
there any depictions of black women that y'all that y'all
could like vibe with in Budogs? I have to go
exactly exactly exactly, you ain't gonna get me before I
look at I do want to say we've we I mean,

(13:44):
if he and I have had these conversations that unfortunately
also a lot of times, when you are the first,
you bear the weight of your entire community. Well, here's
the thing is that And here's one where I'm going
to come in for aaron, just for a bit. We
are blessed that we we we and we have to
admit that the three Nigerian sitting at the table, knowing

(14:04):
like our culture where we from all those things, we
have to remember that a lot of African Americans aren't
blessed with that information, and so they have to go
off of what they grew up doing. And I think
that's why it's Afros and uh and I think it's
corn rows and I think like the the the caricature
nous of it, that whole show is talking very specific

(14:26):
and I think you're right in due time, especially now
if you look at that compared to what we see
in Black Panther, the the diversity in only clothing. Like
I almost wept when I saw for the first time
on the big screen the clothes we see growing up
display that being said, Riley is a specific black person.

(14:48):
Pewee is a very specific Black verson, even who Cedric
yarbrowers character uh the like whitewash black Tea. It is
a show of yeah, I mean and right there in
the name, it is a show of caricatures. And I
think that was and I think the I think it
wasn't for us in the sense of like, like, I

(15:15):
guess we should have mentioned that this is a spoiler.
This is going to be spoiler heavy for a Game
of Thrones if you haven't seen it. It's kind of
hard to tackle the series as we go into season
by season without spoiling something. So if that does bother
you and you're planning to, I don't know, catch it
and binge it before it comes out this weekend, you

(15:35):
might wanna take a not a nightcap. You might want
a nightcap and also rain check. That's the word I
was looking for. If you're going back to what you
were saying about having that more mass appeal, I think
the fact that it is so grounded in kind of
reality and the politics of it all is what brings
in your mainstream viewing public, because I think if they
saw magic and dragons and all that right from the beginning,

(15:57):
they wouldn't believe it, Whereas now they're all pready invested
in the reality of that world, so they're more apt
to believe, oh crap, there's dragons, you know. That's that's
a good point because there are like I have talked
to friends who are trying to get their friends into
the show now, and it's kind of being that same argument.
Was like, oh, you mean the Dragon Show. And I

(16:18):
was like to call it the Dragon show when we
have waited and worked so hard to to to get
to the dragons. It's like that is true. Well, and
you know, right before so if we're talking about the
show right before Game of Thrones, that slot was True
Blood and I grew up like I was watching True Blood,
same thing. Yeah, vampires, a lot of sex. Yes, that's

(16:42):
how they got people in. I mean, wow, wow, first episode. Wow,
this is how much of a hyper nerd. I was
just like, oh, you get to see rogues boobs. I mean,
but I agree because so I remember like every oh yeah,
everyone in my family watched it. I remember like my

(17:04):
I would go over and watch it with my cousin
and her husband and it was like, so, I don't know,
so raunchy, but like they weren't into sci fi fantasy
and that type of stuff, like that type of lure.
And I think because they kind of made it like
oh no, it's kind of like a soap opera slash
drama slash just skinn of max essentially is what helps

(17:24):
get it get it in, and truple had actually comes
down a bit after that first season. That first season
is but it got hello magical, but women come yea,
the sex came down, and then it was like fairies
and all that. You know, any of those Sukie Stackhouse books,
so very similar to the Game of Thrones. The books
are like those books are like you know, you're they're

(17:47):
very lots of sex scenes, very very into it. Like
it wasn't quite shades of it wasn't quite there, but
it definitely was like the book club was like, oh,
we're gonna read about this type of stuff. And I
only knew about it because I was funny enough. True
Blood was deep into my headspace because the person I
was dating at the time was a big fan of

(18:09):
the Sukie Stackhouse books, big fan, and you know, she
was from Utah, so you know, that was real spicy
out there. They're like, hold up, hold up, We're getting
getting a little taste there. So yeah, that's and I think, yeah,
the same thing where you just ground it in enough
reality and kind of almost in the same way the
m CU kind of pulls in regular people where you

(18:29):
just kind of find that other genre. So there is
this at its core if you eject all of the magic.
Game of Thrones is a show about politics, and I
think True Blood was about kind of like a soap
opera that but like that, I don't. I hate using
the term because we kind of I want to say,
like high soap soap opera, because there are like soap

(18:51):
opera s shows that seem more mainstream than actual soap operas.
But I think it's you just call it soap opera
because you know the new thing that was saying with
movies like Hereditary and and Us, should there be a
term called elevated horrors? Like no, it's horror. It's the
same horror. Just because you feel smarter doesn't mean you
have to char and alienate people when you like it.

(19:12):
So that's why I was against calling it like high
soap opera, but like, yeah, that's soap opera. Yeah. But
you're right, Danny, that that show ended, and it left
the people that watched True Blood with horn am I
going to do on Sunday nights? I was one of
those people. I mean, I watched True Blood to the
end even though I was like, this show is not
good anymore, and I don't care. I'm still watching it,
And yeah, then what am I going to do with

(19:33):
my Sunday nights boom game of Throat? So moving on
to season three, pretty brutal, pretty brutal, you know, just
the Red Wedding, No big deal. So yeah, Season three
brings the Red Wedding, which I think was another moment
for people, like Ned's execution, where you're like, oh man,
they can totally slaughter all the guys and wherever I
thought this story was going, yes it's not. Oh boy.

(19:56):
That was one of the most there's nothing better than
your book smugness, you know when when that because like
everyone who read the book knew it was coming, and
so like when people were freaking out over like Nettos,
you ain't even ready, You ain't even right because even
in the book it's so it really I didn't I'd

(20:18):
never watch Red reading. I only read it. Reading it,
it really sets you up. You really think, oh, this
is the moment they're coming together, We're about the Vultron
and take over and everything just goes south. Yeah, and
I imagine the show set the same thing up, especially
because once again, the I think the popularity of Game

(20:40):
of Thrones is it subverts our expectation of how heroes
fight villains and how it's supposed to work, and the
Red Wedding is one of the biggest brutal. I think
it's so cool though, that that will ever be in
pop culture history, right, wedding even if you're not a
game of throat, Like you know what it's from and
you know what it stands for, like what it means.

(21:00):
I just think that's so cool to have like forever
altered film and media or like media history. Yeah, the
Red Wedding is a big freaking deal, and I do
think that it hit all the show hatchers by sermon.
It was super fun to because how many people was like,
I'm never watching, like you ever watching again. I was
actually watching it with Meg Tourney, who I don't know

(21:20):
if either of you know Meg, but she was one
of my old co hosts on Source fed Nerd, and
she hadn't read the books and I had, and so
we're watching it and she's like on her phone and
I'm like, hey, hey, pay attention right now, pay attention.
You're gonna want to see this. And I wish that
I had figured reaction because she lost her mind. Um,
but yeah, that's that's how every was. And I giggled

(21:41):
like a fool watching people's reactions online because well, because
I went through it too, I went through years earlier
when I read it. In the books, there is always
something too, of like reading something shocking because you're like,
h turn page. Oh my god, what turn the page.
What is this? I remember reading it when I was
on lunch break from a job and I was like
almost at the end of my thirty minutes, and I

(22:03):
was like, no, no, I must keep reading. Not done yet.
And I really want to touch on what Danny said,
because I think that is true. That is such a
big moment, and it's something that when you can have
one phrase or one word that will let everyone know,
like people who probably don't even watch Game of Thrones

(22:24):
know what the Red Wedding was because it just blew
up the internet, so everyone had to find out what
this thing was. Uh, And moments like that are interesting
because like I never watched the Star Wars trilogy growing up.
I just you know, that just wasn't nothing. My dad
showed me because he never cared about it. And I

(22:44):
watched it maybe five or six years ago and It
was interesting watching the movie knowing everything that was gonna
I knew that Darth Vader was Luke's father. I knew that,
but to watch it play out it was cool to
even see things where I was like, oh, that's where
that's from. Yeah, that is cool. That's super cool. Yeah.
I mean there's a lot of theories and what some

(23:06):
people have as expectations for what this season could entail.
Do either of you have any theories or guesses of
what you you think John's taking it all and I
think John's taking it all and it's going to reset
or we're gonna have one huge apocalyptic event. And my
big hail Mary is that Brand's gonna go back in
time and Ned starts going to say, no, I don't

(23:27):
want to go to King's Landing and nothing. What They're
going to be able to defend it because Ned, because
remember Ned believed in protecting the Wall, so they'll they'll
defend it because Ned will send the required forces. It's
just gonna reset everything where it's just gonna be like
you remember what was that one? I forget? It was

(23:48):
a horror movie where like every time you made her
wish it would go bad and then like you were
tortured in the end of the movie where she was like,
I wish that one driver wasn't drunk on the job
and nothing ever happened there you go. I mean, we
could have something like that. There's a big theory that
Brand is actually the Night King because he tries to
go back in time to be the guy that is

(24:09):
the guy that's turned into the Night King um and
then get stuck in that body and turn into the
Night King. So there's two brands coexisting simultaneously. But we
have no reason to believe that two brands can coexist simultaneously,
which is kind of the debunk for that theory, if
you will. But there's a lot of people in the
Brand is the Night King camp or that Brand is
going to become the Night King, because why is the

(24:31):
Night King so intent on killing the Three Eyed Raven?
We don't know. I just don't want anything to happen
to Danny. I feel very connected to her as we
share the same name, and I played her in a
Game of Thrones roast at Meltdown, which I think might
be up on YouTube somewhere. I hope you're enjoying these
dope apps. But even when it's a flashback clip episode.

(24:56):
We still need to pause for a break, so we'll
see when we get back. All right, welcome back to
the best of Nerdificent, Part one. I hope you're enjoying it.
Let's get back to the hits and can you describe what? Yes? Okay? Um,

(25:19):
So Hector actually has flash cards like trading cards, trading
cards of every character. I kid you, not every character
that has ever appeared in the m c U, including
side people that got killed in three seconds. Um, they're
all here and he is placing them all out right
now on our large desk. Um, so this is we

(25:43):
have the ancient one I'm trying to look for, like
a in the Alexander here's deceased. Oh yeah, and he
has decimated next to Peter Parker. Um, that is that
what we're calling the dustin. That's what Marvel's calling it
is the decimation. Okay, Well, let's take a quick second
before we jump into this. There's two things I want

(26:04):
to do. First. Up top. You might be listening as wondering,
is this like another recap. It's like no, this is
more of a hype episode as of right now. This
Friday question Mark, Well, I will as you're listening to this.
I saw it last night at the premiere in case
I died, and this is the last recording of my

(26:26):
voice I did. I did die out on top. So
as of right now, this Friday end game is coming
out and this is just us kind of talking about
our favorite moments. Really just a hype episode, as you know,
you know, you don't need a structure to everything. That's
you know, that's that's that's what what fascist want, uh true,

(26:49):
this is just a pure hype episode and also just
to catch up and what better way, this is the
perfect way to book in the last episode, we did
what we did, run through each m c U. However,
there were two movies that happened between the last episode
we have You and now, so before we even jump
into our favorite moments, let's kind of talk about what
happened and how we felt about them. Because because because

(27:11):
because we're counting Infinity War too, because we didn't guess, yeah,
we didn't talk about it, so three movies between that.
So after our episode, Infinity War came out and that
this was It's funny because I feel like everyone at
this table had strong emotions about it. I were we
in the Did we watch it together, Danny, I think
we watched it together. Yeah, yeah, you watched it before

(27:36):
me and then again with I feel like I invited
I have invited you to like every premiere, but you
were you like had rooms you were writing it. YEA, yeah,
I know I was busy. I'm not I'm not I'm
not trying to blast you or anything. I was just
as asking. So I remember that movie was a wild ride.
That the Infinity War was the morning I think about.

(27:56):
It was such a wild ride and everything it introduced.
I feel like it did flawlessly, and just the ending,
even though you kind of felt something like that, like
I didn't know the decimation was gonna happen, but I
knew something that would be such a huge cliffhanger since
they was gonna be two parts was gonna happen, and

(28:18):
it happened, and even the way it happened kind of
just shook everything up because they really did get us.
They hit us with the debate there, because you get
Fanos getting axed and we're like, oh, we actually did
do it or did it yeah? And then it was
like gotcha snappy snap. It was Um. That movie is
amazing and it's such a fun like and then at

(28:40):
the end gets depressing, but it's still such a fun ride,
is how you put it. I think it's a perfect
way to describe it, if because it's just like it's
just a huge victory lab form Marvel. It's just them
going look at ten years of characters that we built
up that like, you care about a talking raccoon, you
care about Ok, yeah, you just met her in the
last movie. You just met and Baku in the last movie.
You're gonna be stoked to see him show up, you know,

(29:01):
on the field. And and it was it handled. It
juggled characters and storylines so well. It carried over tones
from from previous movies like Thor Ragnock, which you finally
got around to seeing and you did you dig it
of course great? So like that that ty y t
t sort of version of Thor pretty much carried through
into Infinity War. But it was also still like the
Mighty like it. Not that Ragnock Thor is any different,

(29:23):
but this was like that Thor. And then all of
his family gets killed at the beginning, and now now
what are the stakes and what does he have to
deal with um? And it was, um, it was mind blowing,
and then easily became my favorite movie in the franchise
thus far. Again, I don't think it's the best one.
But you have to judge these movies on a couple
of different things, and one of the things you cannot
ignore is like they're all building on one another. They're

(29:46):
able to do a thing that not a lot of
movie franchise is barely any in fact, are able to
pull off so flawlessly, and even though they have flaws,
they correct, the course, correct and they just kind of
keep going. So that yeah, Infinity War is not a
normal movie. It is a movie that takes place after
ten years of building one or two or three movies
a year about audio media on on YouTube, I'm holding

(30:06):
up a picture of Carol Dann also made a billion dollars.
A billion dollars. Hector has been punctuating his statements with
characters that it's not about you, and I held up
a picture of the ancient one from that no one
saw it, but yeah, no, this is let's yeah, we
have one more movie. Homely mom. I was I loved

(30:31):
it so cool much. I mean, everyone had like certain gripes,
but there are certain things that made me love it
so much, Like that moment at the end, I mean,
at this point, you know we're in sport. Look listen
where she stands out the moment, which where I think
the moment after that when that guys like all right

(30:53):
Mona LiMnO, which is such a classic movie trope, and
her just blasting him, I'm like, thank you, because every
time that had in the movie, I just want that
to happen, and also for it to also have this
meaning because you know that that was like a spoiler
that was just definitely mirroring all this, all those like
all right, guys to AOC's talking about debate me, It's like, no,

(31:14):
I have nothing to prove to you. I'm in office,
you're a TV talking head. What what do I get
out of debating you. I think it's pretty cool to
see a big movie, superheran movie like this. The past
couple of movies have provided me with some of my
favorite movies and favorite moments. Um. I've been rewatching stuff
like Thor Ragnarok, Black Panther, like these movies are really
I'm like loving more and more and more. And Captain

(31:34):
Marvel is going to be one of those where I
think it's a big deal that we saw a woman
actually say that in a movie like this, this genre,
to go, I have nothing to prove to you. To
say that to a man. That might not be a
big deal to a lot of dudes, but I feel
like it's gonna be a big deal to a lot
of young women to see that, to go, oh, I
can just say that great. So my biggest issue was
people comparing it to Wonder Woman. I'm like, they are

(31:55):
literally not the same at all. They don't have the
same origin story, they don't have the same like characters,
Like they're not even from one. Wonder Woman was a
period piece in my opinion, it was a war movie.
It's like, not the same at all. And Kevin Faiki said, no,
we're going to go in with her already with Captain
Marvel already having her powers, and like it just it
was so I'm like, that actually shows me that you're

(32:17):
not as well versed in comics. If you're trying to
compare to randomly just because they're women, that's the only
thing you have to compare it. I think I think
it's a it's a frequent thing um people that are
upset that the status quo is being challenged. Whether they
know it or not, they subconsciously do that. They'll pick
a thing against another thing. I'm a big trekky and
every time I talk about how I'm really enjoying Star
Trek Discovery, then you show people always jump in and

(32:40):
let me know, a it's not as good as The Orville,
And I'm going, well, then do you really like the Orville?
Are you really learning lessons on like how to be
a better person from shows like that or are you
just trying to dunk on my thing, you know, and
make yourself feel better about your thing, like by pitting
two against each other when you don't really have to
do that. When the new Star Trek show was announced
and it was going to have a black female lead,

(33:00):
I saw a lot of people online go, yeah, well
Deep Space nine did it, and I'm like, yeah, that
was twenty years ago. We're not done, you know, making
movies with black leads or making shows with black lead
just because they did it and it were premiered in
like Blade movies are done. Blade movies are great, and
we should give credit to Blade for being the sort
of the movie that really jump started Hollywood going let's
make a bunch of superhero comic book movies. But Blade

(33:21):
is not on my table right now, and that's a problem.
So we need a new Blade, Like we're not done
with black superhero characters just because three Blade movies were made.
You know, for me, it was just like their Carol
and Diana could not be more different, so to even
their films shouldn't feel the same period. Their films shouldn't
be the same. They're not the same character, and they don't.
They only think the only thing that's the same is
that they're both the first female character of a respective word.

(33:45):
That's their thing. But it's like annoying to me that
one had to be better than the other and all
these conversations. So the same thing happened with She'sam because
you know, she Zam used to be Captain Marvel. Oh,
I like she's a better I like Captain Marvel better.
It's like, shut up. I'm very happy that they that
they both exist. I'm happy if they both exist, but
that they all cheered each other on, like Gal Gadote
cheered on um, Bree Larson like tweeted about it. You know,

(34:07):
Brie Larson like cheered on Zachary Levi Zachary Levi cheered
on Brie Larson, like, they're adults that are making a
lot of money too, so they don't actually care about
all of your growth. Yep. I like the bread crumbs,
but a whole different set of breadcrumbs, because I sniffed
those Civil War breadcrumbs from the jump, and because you know,
it was so very similar to what happened in the

(34:28):
comics Civil War just heroes trying to do some stuff
causing mass, mass destruction and the government be like yep.
And one thing I do like about Civil War, both
in the comics and the movies, is it's the most
grounded thing to ever happen in comics. Yeah, how long
would this go down without the government trying to get involved?
And I think it also flips it on on the

(34:51):
viewers and the readers because when you on paper, you
think Cat would be on the side of the government,
and then it and him not being on the side
of the government is such a strong message because everyone
thinks that Cap is this agent of the government. He's like, no,
he's an agent of good, which means that if the

(35:12):
government is good, And also the fact that Cap is
willing to go against the government is the most American
thing he can do. And I think people often forget that.
I feel like in the grand scope idea, Yeah, everyone
thinks that, you know, patriotism is being subservient to whoever's
in power in the government, and that is not the case.

(35:33):
We were. We were built on, you know, defiance. So
like the fact that it's like, no, this isn't right,
this is not this is this is not good. I
have to stand against it. And someone like Tony who
has always been like the opposite where he doesn't like control,
he doesn't like he is on the side of government

(35:53):
because he's the status quo. Yeah, it's such a beautiful
just even when he goes against the status quo, which
is the first Iron like the beginning of him being
Iron Man, where he's like, no, the suit and I
are one. It's me. I don't trust anybody with my
weapons except for me, he still has this mentality of like, well,
how can I change the He's not trying to affect

(36:14):
the status quo, he's just sort of controlling it on
his own by you know, by his own means, do
you know what I mean? Like and and in this movie,
we can just skip aunt Man real quick. This is
a great film. Aunt Man introduces us to Luise. But
my favorite moment and aunt Man is where at the
end of the film he goes, I love you, Cassie
and then shrinks into the micro verse to kill the
villain Yellow Jacket, or to destroy him, because then he
gets trapped in that cool little crazy dimension he has

(36:35):
to come back. Great little moment, but a little moment
of self sacrifice from Scott Lang. But back the Civil War. Oh,
I was just gonna say my question, because Civil War
the comics came out in like two thousand six. I
believe Um and Incredibles came out in two thousand four,
and you're a big brad bird person, and I feel
like those have similar It's kind of fascinating to me,

(36:55):
like the government stepping in and saying, you superheroes are
actually causing more harm than good. No more supers. Yeah, yeah,
no more super That's also an idea from Watchman Alan
Moore's six like and I think even in some Marvel,
in some DC comics, even before Watchman, they sort of
hinted at and explored at certain stuff. I know that
maybe it was in the eighties two, but it was
a superhero group in d C comics in World War

(37:16):
Two active during World War Two, called the Justice Society
of America. And then they revealed later that during the fifties,
McCarthy is m forced them to hang up their cape
because they didn't want to reveal their secret identities. And
they were but you know, are you are you Commies?
Are you Reds? And they're like, you know what this is?
BS Like, we're gonna We're not gonna work for the government,
We're gonna retire from being superheroes. So that so that

(37:37):
idea has kind of been floating around. But really the Incredibles,
you know, did a great job of mainstreaming it. And
Civil War the movie is different but similar in spirit
to the comic book, right, the details are different, the
details are different. Yeah, Infinity War. I loved all the humor.
I've said this before, you know, I understand that it
was upsetting slash traumatic, slash sad for people, but I

(37:59):
will aught so much through this film that how did
you react to the end though? Do you remember when
Fanos did it and then people started to disappear? Were
you laughing still laughing when when died? I laughed? Okay, listen.
The worst I didn't laugh listen. I was giggling a
tiny bit at the person in front of me who
was freaking out about it happening. And I understand, but

(38:21):
I just knew it would be okay. Come on, like
like we know a lot of these characters. I'm more
concerned with the with endgames. You couldn't let yourself you
get taken away by those storytelling. I was. I was there,
but it was a little I wasn't laughing, No, I was.
I felt for them. The biggest part was Rocket and Groot.

(38:43):
That was That was the last thing he said, was right.
The last thing he said was was he said, I
am group, but you know what that was supposed to have?
Wait what was it, dad? Oh yes, Oh that's rough.
Got me. That one was really hard, and of course everybody,
you know, everybody felt like, I don't want to go.

(39:04):
It was sad that what I mean, I know that
he's coming back for summer pictures. But um, okay, it
was I I get it. I totally get it. I'm
not saying I loved it. It It was one of my
favorite Marvel films of all time. I'm not It's hard
for me to look I'm a Dragon Ball fan. We
got our we get our heroes wish back all the time,

(39:25):
so like, it's hard for me to feel those deaths.
You were sitting there like they're like, did you need
to collect the balls? And listen, Disney bought Fox, so
just put the dragon Balls in there. I'm giving you
a hard time because I didn't cry. I didn't. I
totally see what you're where you're coming from, because we are,
we're tapped in, We're aware of what's going to well.
They literally said part on what the contract was part one,

(39:48):
And even when in Finnity gaunt Let the comic book
came out, it was only like a month or two
weight before everybody got brought back after Thanos actually snapped it.
This is impressive because it's actually a year like and
it's it might not be three years again like Empire
Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi, but but for
a movie this size, this scale of the scope, I
will say this. I think that the Infinity Gauntlet Saga,

(40:09):
the Infinity War movie going into Endgame is going to
be something that people watch five years from now as
they're doing their rewatches, or they go back and revisit it,
or they're gonna show their kids for the first time.
And when you see Endgame in that context where you're
just gonna be sitting down and it happened, you know, five, six,
eight years ago, and you rewatch Endgame or you rewatch
Infinity War and at the end, everybody snaps. You're gonna
be like, dang, I know I'm about to pop in

(40:32):
the next movie and it'll be fine, But dang, my
kid doesn't know that it's gonna be like, it's good.
It's It's the same way people now will watch The
Empire strikes Back and Han Solo gets frozen, and you
know what I mean, We're like, oh, I see what
you mean. It'll it will. It will have a different
meaning and feel and impact when you go back and
revisit it and what it says in the larger scheme
of things. And I also think that it will when

(40:53):
you go back and reflect. Depending on how Endgame is
gonna shake out, it's gonna be sadder because Endgames not
about well, we gotta get everybody back, and about the
rest of the characters and how they're coping and so
and we haven't seen that movie yet, but actually you have,
you at the premiere last night, so you saw it.
But the end game is about the future. It's in
the future. I want you to know, as I'm recording this,
I haven't seen it, so I can't technically spoil anything,

(41:15):
so please don't get mad at me because I haven't
seen it as of this recording right now at this moment.
But um, I think I think it will actually be
sadder because because I don't think some of these characters
are going to survive. So I think that that will
be that will be difficult to see even if they
are brought back, maybe they don't make it or some
of the ones that did survive don't make it. And

(41:36):
I think this might be like one of our This
would be like one of our final films with us
and essentially go Mora died, he got his next snap
behind all. Yeah, a bunch of as Guardians like they're gone.
They We're not dusted. One thing I will say, probably
the last thing I will say, is the coolest thing
about finally seeing the trailer that it was like the

(41:59):
one that I saw was when they were like just
get all the Infinity Stones, Like that was what was
crazy because it's like, yeah, that is the solution. That's
always been the solution. You gotta go find them and
then you connect them, just like you got to find
all the dragon balls, you know, like you gotta go,
you find them, and you bring them back. So I'm
super excited to see because if it is the fact

(42:22):
that everyone's gonna go and literally find all of the infinities,
that we're probably gonna see so many different worlds, so
many different things. So it's gonna be a wild ride.
I hope you're enjoying these dope apps. But even when
it's a flashback clip episode, we still need to pause
for a break, so we'll see when we get back.

(42:50):
All right, welcome back to the best of Nerdifficent Part one.
I hope you're enjoying it. Let's get back to the hits. Yeah,
so we have a many times have you have you
seen it once now or I have seen it once?
But it was a lasting experience and I haven't talked
about I haven't stopped talking about it since, like even
Game of Thrones day, I was still talking about Avengers.

(43:12):
So I feel good about it. I know it really sat.
I mean it also sat with me as well. It
was something that honestly even though it was three hours,
didn't feel like it not at all, didn't feel like
three hours. UM. So I guess we could just dive
right into it. And how did you feel, How did
you feel about it compared to all the other m
c U films. So I went back and watched most

(43:35):
of the m c U films before, and then every
film that was very specifically inside of this film. I
watched again afterwards, and I felt, so this movie had
We're wrapping up so many storylines that it has like
this very like lovely prominent place, like it's the end
of like the Great Tony Stark, like um emotional daddy

(43:59):
drama saga, and then also you get the end of
Captain Marvel's like sacrificial journey. Um. But in the same
way that I feel like Ultron left people with a
lot of questions, this movie left me with a lot
of questions. However, I will say I rewatched Ulchan and
I have those questions anymore, because ut is setting up
questions to be answered later. It's hard to judge a

(44:21):
series in the middle, like as an end of a chapter,
you're like so good, Like I feel like we got
where we needed to be. You know of questions about
some of the deaths, but overall it was like, you know,
this is a really solid place to land. Um, we'll
have to see where they pick up some of the
strands some of the questions later. It's hard to sort
of judge the film in a series when you don't

(44:43):
know how it's going to end. Yeah, for me, it
was great. I think it did a great job closing
the book on just kind of the the original MCU crew,
like you know, Cat, you know, wrap that story, which
is was beautiful to me as a fan of the
comics because that doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics,
Cap just keeps fighting, you never he he never gets

(45:05):
that back. So for him to be able to get
that back in the movies was like an extra surprise.
It didn't see coming. Uh, And I like that man.
It makes sense for him to rest the decision Captain
in America to make Iron Man, you know, finally getting
wrapped up, which you know, was great. I think I
called that. I said they were both couldn't die. I mean,
they both didn't die, but they both kind of got wrapped,
their stories wrapped, and you know, it seems like they're

(45:27):
gonna kind of bunch thor with the Guardians maybe, which
is which is the interesting thing? Uh Black Widow Dad,
I think she's gone. I think they they smoked her.
The the movie that's on the docket is a prequel,
like that's so they're just gonna do the prequel. It
does seem weird to do a prequel, but I mean,

(45:48):
I feel like a prequel coming after time travel, knowing
that the zones soul stone is an exchange, and that
Captain went to place all the stones back exactly where
they picked them up, she could easily pop back up.
I just don't think that it's necessary, though sometimes I
feel I sometimes I feel like it's okay too. It's

(46:10):
like real life. It's okay sometimes to retire or lose
our heroes that happened in real life. We lose people
that we care about in real life. And um, it's
funny that you I know that you wrote for um Playboy.
I just wrote a thing, a piece for them on
how Endgame tackles UH failure and mortality and mainly how
I when I watched this movie, I watched it as

(46:32):
someone that has depression, seeing how they were put into
this bleak world where they suddenly found themselves purposeless. They
suddenly had no purpose anymore. They were so lost and
didn't didn't know how to Carrey, how do you carry
on when you feel like you have no more purpose?
How do you carry on after grief? How do you
carry on after loss? And so that to me when

(46:54):
I walked out and everyone's like, how do you like?
How did you like it? And to me it was like,
oh my gosh, it spoke to me from that place
of it was the most vulnerable I had ever seen them.
That to me is decide that I that I wanted
to see And yeah, they've all we've had Lost and
other and other films, but this was the first time
where it was really like this might not work out.

(47:16):
Five year jump is what really kind of screws with
your head at the beginning, because at first it's like, Okay,
well we're picking up and we're gonna find ho like's nothing.
That was a great moment, and there were just lots
of good bread crumbs within all that be like you know,
Cap saying, how he this is a second loss firm
because he had that loss, and it really did. There

(47:36):
were a lot of setups that were great. There was
something a little heavy handed, like I don't think Tony
Stark needed to say and don't die in the process.
I was like, all right, this is, this is but
but I always say those ones are for the people
in the back or what's gonna happen. It's like, oh, big,
big moments if you if you have a daughter, man
that they really came at you. It was like boom

(47:57):
right at the top with Scott Lang and his daughters,
like ouch boom. Then you see I man with his
daughter's like oh this moment out boom. Then you get
the moment uh you know Clint when he misses his
daughter out just back to bed and his daughter on
you just oh kill me now, like how how how

(48:17):
do you miss Ita? How do you miss and you
tore her literally apart like it was crazy. But to
go back to your earlier point about like the female
and how like just Gemla Wilson is really that doll
if you it's probably in appropriate to call her, but
I'm so sorry, but she she was awesome. She created
the eight Fource, which is the all female Marvel team
Super Dope. She Hulk has a really prominent role in

(48:39):
a lot of characters that we haven't gotten to in
the Marvel universe. But seeing these women that we've been
like traveling with and especially you kind of got like
a little moment of this in Infinity War with the
Natalie Ako Nikia fight scene. Um no, Scarlett Witch uh
fight scene. But here like seeing all like six eight
of them like just tearing ship down, it was amazing.

(49:03):
They were wonderful. I would see that moment, like I
really just want to see the fight over and over again. Yeah,
I mean just that moment we're like Scarlet Witch is
straight up about to murder. I don't even know who
you are. Just he was about to die. He was
about to die until it and but it was so
funny because like this is where the nerve brain gets

(49:23):
in my way again, because I'm like, you're still so
much stronger in the comets. You can literally bit you,
you can snap without you don't, which is why they
didn't do it in the movies, because that's that's what
they do an X men. They make their women too
powerful and then they have to They're always like, oh man,
we made them too powerful, we have to kill them off.

(49:45):
But I feel like the cool thing about the way
the m C you set up is that we could
get that snap eventually, like give it like ten to fifteen,
and they're pissed. I just Scarlet witches. Scarlett Witch. Okay,
that's at one point, and it eliminates like all of
everybody with the X GENA. Yeah, she she doesn't even
she says no more mutants, just speaks the word and

(50:09):
no more mutants, and almost all of mutants are a
read It's so good. Read House of Him if you
haven't read it yet. It leads up to that it's
so good because it it And that's kind of why,
like everyone's like, I don't know why you need the
X Men, uh, but like the stuff like House of
Him and Avengers versus X Men is you have these
two super teams, like so far in what we've learned

(50:30):
in this movie is the Avengers go uncontested, but in
a world where X Men exists, there's a whole another
team that if they feel like the Avengers step outline
could go toe to toe with him. And that's what
House of m was about. Is Wanda Maximum. She has
this break from reality and the Angers like, yo, we
gotta do something about that, and we have to kill

(50:55):
someone and they're basically having this discussion of whether or
not to kill her in the X Men or like,
she's our people, so this is our decision, and they're
having this fight, and the fight eventually it's it's it's
very beautiful. It's the rising tensions with that pisses Wanda
off so much that she's just like you you all
these problems and everyone's trying to have control over her.

(51:15):
It's like, like, really looking back on it, it's really
just a kind of interesting look, like she's just tired
of all these like people in her life trying to
tell her what to do, and she's like, no more
mutants and people lose their powers. I want to say
it was so I think. I was like, yeah, I
think that they're going to introduce new characters. And then
when I saw the roster, like when that final scene happened,
of just how many characters they had to bring back

(51:38):
to really wrap this up, I'm like, oh, yeah, so
it makes sense that they didn't introduce and because like
maybe they'll slide and I don't know, maybe one of
the new Avengers, like maybe I don't know who at
the times, don't bring back Quicksilver, who we really need
Karen Taylor Johnson back to But I wasn't even like,
I don't know, maybe America Chavis will show up in here.
They're trying to get more, you know, um queer representation,

(51:59):
and I was like maybe, And I just now when
I looked at the whole, I was like, I don't
think they were going to do that in endgame, being
unrightfully dragged by Hector in a previous U episode when
he pointed out I was complaining about the Civil War.
My fight. This is what I wanted. That fight when
they rushed towards each other looked like a comic book spread.
I was like, this is it. I almost like I

(52:22):
had all those dad tears and I almost burst into
tears of just pure nerd happiness, because you know, you're
the theater of your mind when you read these comics,
you make something so exciting when you see these pictures
come to life in your head, and you would think,
you're like, this would be so cool as a movie,
but they would never be able to do it. And

(52:43):
to see it, like to think ten years ago that
Fanos like like, look, I know Fanos is a household
name now, but Thanos even in comics was this cosmic
level hero. Like I was explaining like the levels to
like Marvel heroes to someone because they're because I was like,
it's crazy because then it is a cosmic hero and
they're like, what, cousin. I was like, oh, yeah, no,

(53:04):
you have cosmic Marvel. That's all space stuff. I was like,
you get a taste of that from Guardians, but there's
a whole level of that. Then you got your Avengers level,
and then you got your street level, which was cool
because they were building it out with all their Netflix shows.
You had your street level heroes, then you had the Defenders,
and then we're gonna see what happens with that, you know,
uh on Disney Plus in five years, so totally in
a different form. But Disney Plus about to take over

(53:26):
every well, and I guess now Sony too, because um,
Chris Miller and Philip Lord are now doing Marvel TV
series with Sony. Yeah. They just treated like a nine
figure deal. I'm hearing rumors that there's gonna be starting
whole new departments of things over there for that. It's
going to be wild. I'm so excited. But like looking
to your earlier point about introducing new characters. When Peter

(53:48):
went back to high school. I swear I was looking
for Kamala, like where are you in theround? Maybe she's well,
I feel like they've really started to establish a group
of young people can start taking in the lead and
the next arc. So it'll be interesting to see. Well,
that's what I feel like. Monica Rambo was that's what

(54:08):
I feel like she's going to be. When they introduced her,
I mean she has to be five year time jumped
to yeah, because she's she's an adult now. And of
course the scene that everybody can't stop talking about the
scene that I was at the press screen and you
know how I have you know how people try and
be there. I was there at one okay through I

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was at the nine o'clock, but you know, you know
how people at press screen is trying to be all professional.
They never never laugh. That did not happen at this
allowed sobs because in mind, there was no like all
the funny moments. There was just like like really, yeah,
there was a dude next to me clacking loud on
his keyboard, like it was like straight up, yeah, you're

(54:54):
driving the reveal in the movie. Y yeah. So but
everyone's trying to be professional. When I say Cap got
that hammer and everyone just erupted, it just made it
more I'm glad people were trying to keep it together
because it made that more powerful. That everyone forgot that
they were trying to, you know, out here, trying to
pretend like they're professional. We went wild. Cap grabbing the

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hammer is something. It's crazy to me because I feel
like I'm working on article right now about what changed
and Cap that made him worthy to carry the hammer
versus and a vendor's wine. When they all tried to
pick up the ham right, it was only Thor who
was worthy, which sort of makes Thor like the only
pure hero from the story, which really changed your perspective,
Like Thor changed so much from Ragnarok to write the

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f now that I feel like there's so much more.
The character has blossomed so beautifully into himself, And now
we've had three people carry the hammer, Thor, Captain America,
and then Vision carrying it for a brief moment in Ultron,
I think, um, so what what what is your If
you don't what changed? What do you think changed? He

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was honest with Tony the fact because he knew about
um the Winter Soldier and killing Tony's parents, and so
he was lying and keeping a secret. And I think
that I'm not even sure if the Hammer had a
problem with it, but I think the cap had a
problem with it, and could would never have seen himself
truly worthy um because it was the only it was

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his only secret from the Avengers. It was really his
only betrayal of the Avengers ever, and every time after
that he's just very straightforward with him. It literally caused
the Civil War between that, so that was mess. I
think him coming clean about that, him kind of restoring
things with Bucky, which will get to that in a minute.
I think that his conscience is clear and he's good

(56:43):
to move forward now. Nic I felt it was. My
thought was that he's prideful. I feel like, yeah, I
feel like Captain America has a lot of pride, because
it takes a certain level of pride for him to
just like negative thing. I think he like, you know
how you can be prideful and that's fine, and you
just have too much pride. There's a confidence. And he

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never took an owl, you know, he never took an owl.
Frozen at ice for eight years. That's more. That's more
of a pause, like I mean, he like as far
as for him, fighting for justice never took an oil,
and Danos handed him that l and it made him
reevaluate everything he is. But I like yours better. This

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idea of you going back in time changing things and
it affecting your future isn't true because that moment where
you go back in time is now your future, so
so it is not necessarily creating a new timeline. It's
almost as if you started it and went back and
added it to your current timeline. So you experienced everything
up until that point and came but everything that changes

(57:48):
is just new if that makes But that timeline is
still affected, the one that you already lifted. No, the
one that you pulled more out of, she doesn't exist.
She's not in teen anymore. If she stays in the
present day, is there's not still a Goma in According
to the Hulk the way he said, it already happened,

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So you're just pulling go more into two thousand nineteen.
But twin all the events are almost destined. They've already happened,
so you don't interrupt that. So so basically my only
question was okay, So Peter will still get to have
a Goma, and he probably will also get this Gomra.
Like so, I do think that she's gonna this is

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my thing that I'm gonna project that we've talked a
little bit in discord. I do think she's going to
pop back up in Guardians. I think that was a
a little easter egg that they showed when it said
searching for Gama at the very end, when you know,
when Thor came onto the ship, um, when Peter was looking,
that was that he said searching for he was looking
for Goma. And I think that was an easter egg

(58:52):
of she's going to pop up. She might not be
leaving the ship with them with Nebula and Thor and
Quill and Uh and Rocket and group, but I think
that she will. I think that was the best way
for them to be like, oh, she's not dead, how
are we going to get her back in here? How
are we gonna, you know, finish out this franchise? And
I think that was the way. Also. I'd imagine, like
go mo if you went back to two thousand and fourteen,

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go more and she just got realized that she's in
the future and she's into this guy she's not going
to just go back on the ship. I think she's like,
I'm gonna leave right, don't because like if you I
go back and watch the Guardians. Like in the first one,
it's all about like we could be a team, and
you know, if you want to go after your father,

(59:34):
that's the thing we could do to like, but like,
let's just try to figure this out. And then part
two was all about, like we just have to admit
that we love each other, Like can we just say
the words and believe it, It'll be okay. And so
I think the next one will be about him trying
to figure out how to get her in a way
that isn't brought together by tragedy, which will be really
interesting because More's entire life has just been like one
long tragic event and now she's on her own and

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she's got this level of independence, and I think that
Peter is gonna have to come to terms with that
and give her like space and time to figure out
what she wants before she could even possibly begin to
be in a relationship. Like what a crazy thing we
pulled out of time. Meet your sister, kind of become sisters,
kill your father together. And then find out you have
this entire life that you can't remember. It's just I
just realized that we had two women that killed themselves,

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because Natasha killed herself and Nebula killed herself even though
it wasn't like her, but she killed the other version
of herself. I thought the saddest part of that when
they were like, you know, you can change, and she
was like, he won't let me, and it was just
so her Her character arc is just so tragic, it
really is. And so it's at least exciting even though

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that Nebula didn't survive that this new Nebula with the
next Guardians, I'm excited to see what will become of
her character. Yeah, it's cool. It's exciting because like, even
though she died, she was really just killing off a
part of herself she never liked anyway. And it's to me,
it's so much less tragic because it's something that she
always wanted to shed. Even even the self who's like

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I can't change, desires to want to. And so for
her to be like, you know, this is gone and
I'm just gonna be whoever I want to be, it's
exciting and I hope we like I really like her
in Guardians two and she's like finally on her own
and I'm gonna just sell these people and I'm over it.
She's so badass, and I think we're going to get
a lot of that kind of like fun, badass Nebula
that we haven't had a lot of time with. I love,

(01:01:18):
aside from the cap first cap fight, the Nebula versus
Nebula fight and then when she smacks her and um,
she's like you're weak and she was like I'm you
and I was like, oh, that's such a good lie.
That was so like such a put in your face,
you know. Before we were getting towards the end of this,
and I do want to wrap up one last thing.

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Another relationship thing that I thought closed up years almost
got me in my fields was Tony and his dad. Yeah,
because that was it, Like he just it was years
of everything he thought about his father being cleared up
the moment he was like, I will do anything for
that kid. Yeah, And I'm just so consumed by my

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work that I cannot focus on them. But I do
love that kid. I was like, oh my god, he
needed to hear that. Have you rewatched the scene from
Civil War at the top where he creates. He creates
a thing called BARF, which is a binary automated something
or other. Basically, it's the thing he creates that connects
with hippocampus and it projects his parents, and he gets

(01:02:23):
to tell his parents it's the last time he saw
his parents. It's when they do the young Robert Downey Jr.
Uh And he gets to tell his parents like what
he always wanted to say before they died, which was
essentially Tony's actual words him were like, it's okay, dad,
you did the best you could. Right, we're getting here.
The last line he says to his dad is almost identical,
but instead of just to walk off, his dad gets

(01:02:44):
to respond. And if that doesn't just give you the shivers,
Like I just wrote this article about the legacy of
Tony Stark because it didn't strike me how much I
liked the character until his journey ended. Because to me,
I'm like rich, entitled white douche bag. Like Okay, it's fine,
Like Robert Downey Juniors is junior, it's infectious. Like you
love his performance, you want to watch him. He's like
a wonderful performer. But Tony Stark is constantly just running

(01:03:07):
headlong into decisions and making giant mistakes and then really
getting mad when people are like he wants to clean
up his own mistakes, but he doesn't want to really
take responsibility ever. You know, he's he's sorry that it happened,
but like, I'll correct it and I'll do it by
myself and it'll all be fine. And that constant like
tripping over himself is always causing problems, and it's what
makes his final snap so peak perfect, because one he's

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got the assurance that this is the only way. And
we've seen Tony constantly through every Iron Man movie, through
every Avengers movie, put his body on the line. He's
willing to die for this cause, but it's never really
been worth it. You didn't ever really have to. You
were never going to be the leader that Captain America
just naturally was, but you didn't need to be. You
were rebel and a patriot. And that is so American
and so closely ideals that Captain America holds. He his heart.

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It's so close to what your dad was always trying
to achieve. Like all these heroes that he felt were
so far away from him gave him the respect, I mean,
the fact that what Capped does with his life after
is just value Tony's message and Tony's agenda, and it's like,
I'm just gonna go and live a simple life because
we all deserve to have that at some point. It
is the most miraculous arc like it is. I hope

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that eventually we can get this with all of the characters.
But the way they did it with Tony was pitch perfect.
The most I think the thing that made it the
most perfect, the icing on the top, is the fact
that Tony ends the way the m C You started,
the m C You started at the end of Iron
Man when he says I am iron Man, and the
last line that Tony Stark says in the m C

(01:04:37):
You is I am iron Man. Just all just who
I gotta breathe a second, or I'm just reaction of it, Okay,
you could just go. This was another one of those
like splashes, and this was a horror movie. I was
centered around you know, black culture, blackness and uh and everything.
And I remember instead of like I know, there was

(01:04:59):
the bloody mare. You can say the name three three times, yeah,
And people said that for Candy Man, where I grew up,
Like if you say candy Man in the mirror, he
comes and he kills you. But it's five times. Yeah,
it's five times in the actual movie. But but but
people were like three times in the mirror. Yeah. My
fiance is still won't say it really still today. Well,
I was telling her about it yesterday. I was like, yeah,

(01:05:21):
so we're doing Candy Man. She was like, you can
only say that name so many times. I was like,
it's not gonna She's like, still wrong. Yeah, you know
it could no one, you know, knowing that I know
have said it five times. There were some controversy that
the film was depicting racism and racial stereotypes. This film

(01:05:45):
based on that scene you just described, not see what
the problem is, you know what? Just according to Rose,
I had to go and have a whole set of
meetings with the inn double a CP because the producer
were so worried. And what they said to me was
they'd read the script. What they said to me when
they read the script was why are we even having

(01:06:07):
this meeting? You know, this is just good fun, just fun. Um.
This must be the National Advancement the National Association of
the Advancement of Caucasian People. Their argument was why shouldn't
a black actor be a ghost? Why should black actor

(01:06:36):
play Freddy Krueger adible elector? If you're saying that they
can't be it's really perverse. This is a horror movie.
According to Madison, I was and am now worried about
how people will respond. I don't think uh, I don't
think Spike Lee will like this film. To his defense,
he's right, because don't anything like yeah, that's that's a

(01:07:01):
that's an easy did I make it? No? Oh my gosh,
this is great because I want to know how much
of that is true. I just love to quote why
shouldn't a black actor be a ghost? It's like, imagine
how much better Whoopi Goldberg would have been? It'santa Patrick.

(01:07:22):
I don't know why was she a ghost? Oh? This
is Oh, this is already off to the best start,
because I mean, this is this is the amount of
gravity to approach this movie. But also it's like it's
funny because it is like a tin pole in the
black community. It's important. It's it's important to us because,
like we said, why shouldn't black people be a ghost

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or a Freddie Grueger? When we're saying a lot of
funny things, but I'm not joking. And how big of
an impact candy Man has a black I mean there's nothing.
What's the other like big black horror movie besides tell
Us from the Yeah, I think that's it, right, Yeah,
I think it's candy Man of Us came along and
and um uh get out. So yeah, there's been nothing

(01:08:07):
for us. Yeah, it was either this or acrimony from
Tyler Perry. Scariest movie for a different reason. Oh oh man,
so uh so, so we went to Chicago. He was scared.
Now we're talking such an excellent like now you're caught up,

(01:08:32):
caught up. Uh So, Now we get to the casting,
which is wilder than we were ready for. So Eddie
Murphy was the original choice for the role of candy Man,
but his filmmakers could not afford him, which means both
the film was off to a great start, but also
he's not the choice like, well, and the biggest comedy

(01:08:55):
star is gonna be our horror guy. I'm gonna kill you.
That's that's how I learned. My Eddie Murphy impression needs
some tightening up. But you know I got the point.
I mean, at least you did it. So I didn't.
Todd negotiated a bonus of one thousand dollars for every

(01:09:16):
beasting he suffered well filming, he was stung twenty three times.
I mean that's smart. He's like, Yo, you gotta pay
me a rack every time I get stuff. But also like,
how do you do you just lie or do they
check you for standing? I know when you're talking money
like you're talking about a rack. I got stung a million.

(01:09:42):
I'm just saying I'm at the doctor right Nowtress. You
know it's the naughties, so I can't send you like
a picture. I left my polaroid in my in my catillec,
so you're gonna have to believe me. I'm calling you
on a landline. Oh my god, I'm if you wad away.
Jeff Trammell right over there, we're reading through the plot

(01:10:04):
of Candy Man. I'm glad we waited this long ago.
It I'm glad we got all the making of the
all that out of the way because the plot itself
needs to be dived into. Because also another thing to
remember while we're going through this plot is Key and
Peele is rebooting this, so it's gonna be keep I
keep calling Key and people, Jordan, people, my bad. Jordan's yeah,

(01:10:25):
y'all together for the rest of my life. Jordan Peele
is remaking this. It's gonna be fun to see what
he decides to keep on, what he gets rid of.
And I think it's gonna be along. It's gonna be
a lot on the chopping block if it what I'm reading.
Oh my gosh. All right. Um, So the dog has

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been decapitated and Amory's baby Anthony is missing, and she
attacks Helen and the mist of defending her self. Helen
is arrested by the police. Trevor, Helen's husband, bills her
out of jail, but Candy Man appears to Helen again
and cuts her neck, causing her to bleed to a
point of unconsciousness, so she blacks out again. Bernadette appears

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at the apartment and is murdered by candy Man, who
frames Helen for the murder. Helen is sedated and placed
in a psychiatric hospital. After a month's stay at the hospital,
Helen is interviewed by a psychologist in preparation for upcoming trial.
She attempts to prove her innocence by summoning Candyman, who
kills the psychologist allows Helen to escape, making it harder

(01:11:35):
to prove Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wasn't his
goal to prove that he is a real thing? So
why is he putting all these murders? I don't understand. Oh,
I'm starting to remember last time I read this plot,
and just you ain't ready, That's all I'm gonna say.
You are not and will never be ready because now

(01:11:56):
I'm remembering what happens, and I remember or why it
raced out of my memory once again, I'm still going
to revisit. Why if you are back in Civil ware
War slave times for very you know, I don't even
know if Kennyman made it juneteenth. Uh, I don't even
think he made it. Why are you coming back and

(01:12:18):
killing black people like you should have died? If that's
if that's how you handle your your grief. I mean,
it seems like he would only kill white people, especially
like white men, right because he was in love with
a white woman. So yeah, why is he killing and
then after all these years still fall for a white
woman who would have learned, didn't even get didn't want
to try one system could have change your life. I've

(01:12:40):
been sitting there eating good. You are running back to
helln Is this a movie about me? Uh so, here's
the hard thing we know about the film. In September
of two thousand and eighteen, it was announced that Jordan
Peele was in talking to produce the sequel. Oh it's

(01:13:01):
a sequel, son, I'm hoping it's a reboot. Yeah, through
Monkey Pop Production. Uh yeah, it says. Kenny Man is
revealed to be Daniel Robertaale, son of a slave on
a plantation in New Orleans. Daniel was chosen by a
wealthy landauver, so only slaves could take the moniker of

(01:13:21):
candy Man. You just pass it down like the flash,
but but it takes one. Oh you gotta be a slave.
Uh yeah, he was. And he was also a painter.
He painted culture of the daughter Caroline, resulting in an
affair between the two. After Caroline became pregnant, Carlin's father
organized a lynch mob to hut down Daniel. This is
just the same movie. Cut off his right hand coat

(01:13:44):
of honey from a nearby by hut. It seems like,
seems like back then, it's only one way to do.
Black man, who sleeps with your wife? You cut off
his head. You cover froom it, honey. My father did it,

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my father's father did it, and we're not changing the thing.
And that is all. Thank you all for listening. We
could have one more best of episode than it's back
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things cooked up for you next year. But thanks for
hanging out and hopefully I'm the first to tell you

(01:14:30):
Happy New Year. Enjoy It's about to be a great year.
Happy New Year, Stay nerdy.