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July 25, 2019 30 mins

During the Prohibition Era, moonshiners and federal agents continually tried to outsmart one another — and one of the moonshiners’ most creative inventions? The bizarre footwear known as Cow Shoes.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Well well, well,

(00:28):
Ridiculous Historians, thank you for tuning in. It is a
Friday here as we record, and we are excited. We've
got some adventures lined up on the weekend. I'm ben,
I'm no, and I'm gonna have moonshine on the Biou
and moonshine on the Biou. That's all I got. And
we've got our super producer, Casey Pegroom. He's gonna have

(00:52):
moonshine on the Bhi on the moon China. Right, Okay,
so you're in the moonshine on the bioum right, absolutely.
I love both those things. You're into the Shine, Yeah,
the Shine, the Bayou, the whole nine The whole nine
that's a rhyme, and that's Casey on the case the
rhyming edition. It's interesting because the the whole nine yards

(01:12):
has its own strange etymology. Right. I think it comes
from the Army, but I'm not. I'm not too sure.
I'll look into it later. Football thing, No, No, I
told you about the yard line and our boss yeah, cool,
can tell it again. Mentioned. I don't know if we've
mentioned on it's really really great. So our our boss

(01:33):
who is who is a great, great guy, is name Connell.
And he was in a meeting with us one time
where he tried to make a sports reference and I
don't think he knows a ton of stuff about football
because he said, you know, we're on the nine yard
line or we're on the first yard line. And we
had to stop him and say, you know, that comparison

(01:56):
doesn't What do you think you're saying? You know what
I mean? Because all it up, not everybody, not everybody
can be an expert at all things. However, one group
of people who continually get underestimated, and even these are
modern days, are bootleggers. And one of the strangest, most

(02:16):
ridiculous eras in American history was prohibition. This is a
perfect thing to talk about on a Friday. Oh man, totally,
I'm drunk already. No, no, I'm not, but I am
looking forward to some on the value. Yeah, it's true. Um,
so here's the thing we know. A prohibition was quick
cooking dirty alcohol is illegal boom to nineteen thirty three

(02:38):
temperance people said, you know, folks will vote for prohibition
as long as they can stagger to the polls. The
Devil's nectar. What did you call, oh, Grandpa's leg medics,
Grandpa's Oh, Grandpa's leg medicine. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was
for boating big time. But as we know, when you
tell people what they can't do, they're gonna find ways
to do it, and they're gonna find ways to get

(02:58):
the thing that they can't have. Uh, and it's just
gonna keep going. And the people that procure this stuff
for them, this Grandpa's leg Medicine, Devil's Nectar, were called bootleggers,
and they had to employ some kind of crafty subterfuges
and tricks in order not to get caught by you know,
the crazy bug eyed cop dude from Boardwalk Empire. Remember him, No, no, no,

(03:23):
the other crazy the bug eyed cop guy, the cop
guy who was a true believer. He was a true believer. Um,
he really really wanted to stamp out anything that was
impure and and and ungodly, and to him, liquor represented
debauchery and chaos, a society coming apart at the seams.
So he's who I'm picturing is in charge of this
whole thing. Interesting, I've never I've never seen Boardwalk Empire

(03:46):
I am aware of it, though, and I'm very glad
that we did not live during the era of alcohol prohibition.
Long time listeners, if you've checked out Boardwalk Empire, or
you've listened to older episode of our show, then you
are doubtlessly well aware of the strange hypocrisies that proliferated

(04:08):
in this country during the US Prohibition era. You're also
aware of the rampant corruption. You know, some gangsters like
al Capone made vast fortunes. This was a huge watershed
moment for organized crime. Here's something a lot of people
don't know that could be a good episode all its own.
Remember earlier when I said these moonshiners get underestimated. This

(04:31):
is a fact that a lot of people don't know.
Prohibition led to NASCAR. NASCAR would not have existed without
prohibition because, like you said, no, they had to be crafty,
these bootleggers, and they had to be sneaky. So a
lot of the improvements they made to their vehicles led
to the growth of NASCAR. I did not know that, man,

(04:54):
and that is a fantastic subject for another episode. But
today we're talking about a different kind of and a
that they spearheaded these these crafty bootleggers as you call them, um.
And it's a two words, very simple idea, but pretty
damn genius. Cow shoes, cow shoes, cow shoes, two separate words. Yeah.
So these moonshine stills would be out in remote or

(05:19):
hidden areas in a holler, maybe by a creek, but
they would they would be in the woods, you know
what I mean. There wouldn't necessarily even be like a
deer path. The only way that the authorities, the g
men and so on could track down these moonshiners once
they were physically following them in the woods was to
find their footprints or do some you know, do some

(05:43):
boy scout path searching right, look for broken branches, look
for trampled grass, cracked leaves, things like that, and depending
on the train, you might get a footprint. So the
bootleggers said, look, we're gonna have to leave some kind
of prints as we walk in and out of here,
But why does it have to be a human footprint?
Right right? Indeed, and real quick, I just want to

(06:05):
point out that you can buy yourself your very own
five gallon moonshine still from Moonshine Still dot com. Um
and the five gallon unit is three seventy nine dollars.
And I love the look of these things. They look
like a cool like wizard chemistry set with like a
big boiler and then like a little dome that comes
off the top and then like kind of a swan,

(06:25):
like a little tube that then drip drip drips down
into the collection um receptacle. And that's how they make
the moonshine um pretty cool. Um. So, yeah, they would
have these out in sheds in the woods are like
just out you know, like in hidden in a glen
or something like that. But yeah, they needed to get
to and from there without leaving a trail, and that's

(06:46):
exactly what they did. Ben they would attach these uh
these cow um what do you call them? Well, you know, yeah,
I was about to say horseshoes for cows. The cow shoes. Yeah,
that's literally what you know what you call them a
you uh, And they would attach them to their human
shoes and these would look like hoofprints or that was

(07:06):
the thought that someone would be searching through the woods,
maybe they catch part of a trail and then they
would look down and they would say, hang on, this
was just some cow walking in the woods or some
sort of hoofed creature. The idea most likely came from literature.
It came from a Sherlock Holmes story where a bad

(07:28):
guy and one of the stories, attaches fake cow hoofs
to the feet of his horse to avoid detections. Spoiler alert, Ben,
you just spoiled Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, I spoiled the whole thing.
It's over. It's okay. I think Sherlock Holmes stories are
past the statute of limitations with spoilers. Also, that had
Girland post story totally a monkey with a razor the

(07:49):
murders in the room or yeah, that's the one monkey
with a razor. So the Sherlock Holmes story specifically was
called The Adventure of the Priory School, which I have
not read, but spoilers three two and here be spoilers.
The plot involves a mystery surrounding a young student who
disappears along with his teacher, and Sherlock Holmes discovers that

(08:10):
the murder culprit made his horses where fake cow hooves.
So that's the first time it exists in literature. But
what was it in real life? Pretty simple, They weren't
actual cow hooves. They were wooden blocks that have been
carved to look like the hooves, right, and then attached
to a metal strip and then strapped to a human foot.

(08:32):
There was an example of the shoe found near Port
Tampa and sent to the Prohibition Department in Washington. And
that's how the FEDS learned about this. So it was
a real thing. It actually happened. It also was described
in a couple of other things right in some newspapers. Absolutely,
it was ben in a nineteen two article from the St. Petersburg,

(08:55):
Florida paper known as The Evening Independence is no longer
a thing. They discribed this technique as such. A new
method of evading prohibition agents was revealed here today by A. L.
Allen's the account of them drifting into the mid Atlantic accent.
It's Florida, though, but it's fine. It's still fun for
reading this kind of old copy. Uh. A. L. Allen,
stay Prohibition enforcement director, who displayed what he called a

(09:18):
cow shoe as the latest thing from the haunts of
moonshin has. That's from the Evening Independent. So the discovery
of this astonishing cow shoe technology did not necessarily mean
the end of moonshining and bootlegging because people liked to drink. Nowadays,

(09:42):
it's weird as so many hipster restaurants and so many
of my hips her friends, to be honest, get have
gotten into creating or distilling moonshine. And it's been in
my family for a long long time. Right. We actually
do have some old moonshine stills that I wouldn't touch, oh,
EI think they'd be like they have a taint. They'd
be tainted with just age and rust and crust. I

(10:05):
don't know if it's up to health code standards. Yeah,
and and and we we we mentioned it briefly, but
that was the thing about prohibition period and these skills
is there was no health standard and a lot of
people died because they would use too much of a
certain ingredient or like there was too much ethanol in
the product and it would literally kill them. Not to

(10:25):
mention we do we do it on this show or
was that that? Don't want you to know? But the
government actually uh and intervened to try to um to
try to basically poison people who were illegally imbibing these products.
Right then, Yeah, we did an episode on this, so
long story short, Uncle Sam during prohibition decided to deliberately

(10:45):
poison industrial alcohol which was being stolen and used to
make bootlegs stuff, and this led to the death of
more than ten thousand people in the US. And when
prohibition was finally repealed in nineteen thirty three, a lot
of he says said, you know what, We're gonna stay dry.
What's the what's the whiskey? Jack Daniels. Jack Daniels is

(11:07):
made in a dry county. Still, that's so funny. I
was just talking. I was in Tennessee over the last
few days in Nashville. Um, And first of all, the
tenant the Nashville Airport is basically like a liquor store,
like all of the gift shops just sell all of
the different types of tennants. Of course, yeah, I'm not
talking to you, Ben, I'm talking to the people. But
somebody told me they took the tour of the Jack

(11:29):
Daniels distillery and they weren't able to You're not able
to buy any any liquor there at the Jack Daniels tour.
It's true, it's crazy. We also see the effects of
this sort of prohibition today. There was research conducted by
economists at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, and they

(11:52):
found that meth lab seizures in Kentucky are significantly more
likely to occur in dry counties. Surprised, right, I'm just saying,
you know, uh, you you you'd tell people what they
can't have. They're gonna have it one way or another. Um,
whether it be an alcohol form or in meth form,
or crocodile or like jankum, that's not my jam. No,

(12:16):
it's not. You're not my jake. Definitely it's not. Look
it up, folks, if you want to be totally totally
grossed out, we consider it not safe for work. Always,
absolutely not safe for work. Like all works of genius,
the cow shoes were not restricted to a single use
or single application. It turns out that someone else would
come up with the cow shoe idea decades beforehands very true.

(12:39):
It was in the ninet twenties in the town of Elko, Nevada, Nevada.
Which way am I supposed to say? So? People outside
of Nevada say Nevada, people inside Nevada say Nevada. So
what should I say? I'm outside of it. I don't know, man,
You gotta bring that Vegas with you. No, man, I'm
gonna say that. How I say it? Nevada? Yeah, co Nevada. Uh.

(13:01):
There was some really odd goings on that were documented
in the ninet twenties. You see, for a couple of months,
some cows from a place called the Utah Construction Company ranch. Wait,
why is the why is there a U Tak Instruction
company in Nevada? We'll never know. Um, they were disappearing, Ben,
they were disappearing. And you know Nevada is lousy with

(13:21):
UFO abductions, and then UFO alien types love cow situations.
They love like mangling cows. Was it aliens? Ben? What
was it? Well? It may have been aliens in some instances,
but at least one instance, it was a guy who
maybe had read a Sherlock Holmes story or two and
decided to build himself some cow shoes. A few of

(13:43):
the cowboys on the ranch followed a mysterious trail of hoofprints,
and then they came across their missing cattle being led
away by a notorious troublemaker named j R. Crazy Chicks Hazelwood.
I don't know why, but I think he's got one
of those sort of wish living varih who I love
that is he kind of shis whistle when he talks black.

(14:05):
It's crazy chicks. Yeah. So the ranchers apprehended crazy text
and then they saw he was wearing cow shoes. He
had two boards mounted on top of two real cow
hooves each and according to Howard Hickson, local historian, there,
Texts had no regrets. He bragged about how he had

(14:26):
learned to walk like a cow, like the gate of
the Cow. It wasn't good enough just to have the shoes. Uh.
And now those shoes, his cow shoes, are on display
today at the Northeastern Nevada Museum. I have not been
to that one. No, no, I have. My My current
goal for Nevada travel wise is to spend some time

(14:48):
at the Hoover dam You know, I always remember when
I think about the Hoover Damn that's seen in bibs
and but had to America where Bevis is like, is
it a goddamn sorry, I don't remember. Remember that move
doesn't hold up. It's not very funny. It didn't age well,
I don't think. So there's a cool part where they
end up taking some sort of psychedelic hallucinogen in the
in the desert, and then it all turns into like

(15:10):
rob zombie animations and it's it's pretty psychedelic and cool.
I gotta say, Ben Howard Hickson great name for a
local historian, wouldn't you agree? Yeah, Yeah, he's the guy
that that was part of this whole, this whole situation here. Um.
So there's a lot of things that prohibition era huckster's
would do to evade the authorities. This is the weirdest

(15:33):
on This is a weird one. Yeah, it's about a
bad sandwich. Yeah, I don't understand this. Okay. So, because
of the way exercise laws worked in in New York
State at the time, in like the end of the
nineteenth century, if you went out for a drink, you
would have a very strange experience. Let's say you go

(15:56):
out your your casey pegrum out on the town, New York,
eighteen nineties. You go to your local bar and you say,
you know what I'll have. I'll have a beer or
I'll have you know, whiskey on the rocks or something.
The waiter bartender would bring you the drink, but they
would bring it out with a sandwich and the sandwich

(16:18):
was horrible. Yeah, there were a couple variations of it.
It was it was more than just horrible. It was
it was inadible, um. And you know, speaking in broad terms, um,
it was quote an old desiccated ruin of this is
great writing of dust laden bread and mummified ham or cheese.
And that is from the mouth, the mind, the pen

(16:41):
of the brilliant playwright Eugene O'Neill. That was one variation
of it. Another variation was it was just made of rubber. Yeah,
that's gross, right, You're the thing is, you're not supposed
to eat the sandwich. They would take that, They would
bring the sandwich out to you, and then seconds later
they would take it back. It was the same sandwich.
It was just the sandwich was making the round in
the restaurant. Or it was an excuse for what serving booze.

(17:04):
That's right, that's right, very very creative. A lot of
this again, this involves a lot of innovation and creativity
and that is no excuse, um. And you know, the
owners of these establishments argued that this wasn't breaking the law. Right.
The strange ritual was a result of the Rains law,

(17:25):
which was described in Atlas Obscure as a combination of
good intentions, unstated prejudices, and unforeseen consequences. So the Rains
law was meant to get rid of dive bars. It
raised the cost of a liquor licensed the eight hundred
bucks three times would have been before. It said, you know,
you can't be open within two hundred feet of a

(17:46):
school or a church. You can't have a free lunch,
which was a thing that bars used to do this.
I had never heard of it either. I don't think
it was a great lunch, but you could go somewhere
than a rain sandwich though, right, Yes, it goes to
what they called it. Yeah, you would get cheese, soda, bread,
and raw onions for free. Yikes. Yeah, well, I guess

(18:08):
they do kind of do, like free peanuts and gummy
bears in certain bars in some places. I love the snacks.
Any situation, I'm down to snack. Uh. And the law
also attacked drinking on Sundays, are being open on Sundays.
But here's what happened. You see, the law had a loophole,
and then there was a loophole within that loophole. The
first one is this the law, the way these laws

(18:32):
were written allowed lodging houses with ten rooms or more
to serve guests drinks with meals seven days a week.
And then incidentally, wealthy New Yorkers would just dine out
at a ritzy hotel because that's a lodging house so
they can serve drinks seven days a week. And honestly,

(18:54):
I mean that the little loopholes like that still kind
of exist today. Uh. And you know the bars that
we go to here in Atlanta, like more often than not,
they want to serve food, even if it's not a
big part of their income. Right, it's important to them
to be able to serve food because it allows them
to be open earlier. I want to say, or that
maybe you know the law better than me, but there's
definitely a reason that it's beneficial to a business that

(19:17):
serves alcohol to also serve food. I think it means
that the events don't have to be twenty one and up,
Like if you're having concerts or whatever that might be
part of it, you can I think you can do
eighteen and up events if they serve food. I can't
remember what city I was in, it was somewhere in
kind of a dodgy bar and I was trying to
figure out if they have food, and they had hot dogs,

(19:37):
but the person who is selling them was like, donate those.
We just keep those so we could say we have food.
And I ran in and maybe it was a real
life rain sandwich. Here's how the loophole worked. Here's how
we got this terrible sandwich. You can't sell booze on Sunday.
The rains law doesn't want you to, but that is
one of the most profitable days for a lot of people.

(19:57):
Here's what the downtown bar owners did. They founded private
clubs and then they started handing out membership cards to
their regulars. It's sort of like if our local bar
the local and a birth of creativity is right, that's
still so it's hilarious what we say it on air
like that. But if they had to, if they had
to confront this kind of law, then they might very

(20:19):
well turn into a club, hand out membership cards and
so on. These people also converted basements and addic spaces
into rooms like hotel rooms, and then they said, okay,
we count as a lodging house. Will throw table cloths
over the pool tables. That makes us kind of a restaurant.
And because the law says, if you're a lodging house
with ten or more rooms, you can serve guests drinks

(20:41):
with food seven days a week, they had to pick
something they could use that would count as food. Yeah,
and I guess you could argue it's debatable whether this, uh,
this disgusting sandwich could be I don't know. You would
you would think that the law could come down on
them and say, guys, this is in fact inedible. Uh,
this does not qualify as food. Um. Yeah, it's it's

(21:03):
like your hot dog story, right right, here's the here's
the quote. Because I love where you're going with this.
Law enforcement itself bought this. An assistant d A in
Brooklyn said the following to a group of police captains
as the first of these rains hotels started hitting the scene.
He said, well, I would not say that cracker as

(21:24):
a complete meal in itself, but our sand which is
how much did they pay him? They paid him something? Yeah,
it's that sandwich, sweet sweet sandwich money. Um No, I
don't know, man. This is very interesting stuff. It's all
about the little clever tricks, whether it's to disguise something
like a footprint, or that's to skirt the law in

(21:44):
some way, and we still again, we still see the
kind of legacy of this playing out into in today's
today's did this on modern world? Now? Of course it's
tempting to say, Wow, what a crazy story, what a
strange period in US history. But as William Folker said,

(22:06):
the past is not over. The past is not even past.
The Prohibition Party, your ridiculous historians, is still in play today.
It's still a thing. It's true. It is the oldest
third party in America. Uh, the next gold that would
be the Green Party. No, that's not true. I don't
know what the next old this would be. I did
not even know this was considered a party. But yeah,

(22:28):
it's on the ballot and at least three states. You
think we would have a more precise number of that.
Is it three? Is it at least three? Is it
more than three? H you tell me, I don't know, Ben,
Oh well, whatever, somebody says it's a ballot in at
least three states, it means that it might be an
additional ones in the future. There you go. That makes sense. Um,

(22:49):
So here is how this works. It's never gotten more
than two point two percent of the popular vote. But there.
It is just the same. Um. It's shown up on
presidential ballot since eighteen seventy two every time, and it
has had some kind of spotlight e type moments, right
like during the nineteen twenty alcohol band Prohibition right, the

(23:10):
titular alcohol band of the party, the Prohibition Party, um,
and that was really it's time to shine. Yeah. And
it's strange when you think that the party is still
extant and it is still so focused on a single issue, right,
one thing that's really awesome. Although prohibitionists and not I
clearly do not see eyed eye on a great many things.

(23:32):
I found it inspiring and really cool that in nineteen
twenty four the Prohibition Party became the first political party
in this country to put a woman on the presidential
ballot when they named Marie C. Brem as their vice
presidential candidate. Very interesting, like oddly forward thinking, but like

(23:52):
at the same time she was probably a monster. I
don't know, I mean, come on for them to have
like pushed her forth, it's just me completely editorializing. But like,
you know, like again I'm gonna go back to my
Prohibition uh detective in um, you know, played by Michael
Shannon in Boardwalk Empire. The the whole thing with the
Prohibition Party, and that movement is temperance, and that is

(24:15):
all tied to religious zelotry. Right, So a lot of times,
if you're gonna be like you know, you have to
be the craziest religious zella to be pushed forth as
the president of this That's that's what I'm getting at.
You know, not to say that all religious people are
monsters or anything. I just think this type of puritanical
zealotry tends to yield troubling results. You know, we understand

(24:38):
that alcoholism can be a serious and very threatening problem.
That being said, I love prohibition propaganda, like the cartoons.
They're amazing. I wish they were more like this. You
know what, if I ever own a bar, I'm just
gonna decorate it with prohibition pictures. Give me some examples, sure, sure.

(24:59):
Uh There's there's this famous one where there were a
bunch of very angry people, uh, staying around a sign
that says lips that touch liquors shall not touch ours.
There are things saying which gets your vote, mother or
the saloon vote. Dry asked the first ten mothers you
meet if they would vote for the saloon and govern

(25:20):
yourself accordingly, and then you have just some like outright
you know, fearmongering things aren't even clever. Like beer doubled
the child death rate in the first five years of life.
Children of sober parents died children of beer drinkers percent died. Alcohol,

(25:40):
whether in beer or in whiskey, is an enemy of
child life. That was the thing. Yeah, you'll see pictures
where it's the bar room or the boy your vote
may settle it. And there's a guy drunk outside of
like a western looking saloon, and there's a little kid
standing on the porch with him, going, is that you daddy?
It's it's pretty sad. You got another one here where

(26:02):
it's a cartoon. This is a pretty clever one. Um.
It's a cartoon of like a dude and kind of
like a hounds tooth suit. But he's not a regular
old dude. His head is a globe. It is the world,
and it's being enveloped by something called the liquor octopus,
which is as you would imagine a cartoonish octopus that
has words printed on it. Uh in the you know,
in the style of political cartoons, and every tentacle is

(26:24):
a different vice. Right, We've got without vice, but it's
a different outcome. We've got poverty on one tentacle, crime, disease, debauchery,
and waste. And then at the bottom there's like a
log or something that he's supposed to sit on. It
says American anti saloon methods. That's where this came from.
I think the last example a'll site is the propaganda

(26:46):
poster that just it's kind of simple. It looks like
it might be from a different time. They claims there
are six bad things that alcohol can cause, adultery, drunks, violence,
illness centers, and atheist gasp. I like the idea that
somebody is going to have a beer and then instantly
go there's no God, There's no God. How bad was

(27:08):
that beer? Was it like a was it like a Michelobe?
Must have been ultra? What's the worst beer? Ben? I
don't know. I don't know. I haven't drank every beer.
I know. I'm kind of a philistine in this regard.
I'm not a beer guy either. You know, what I
can say is a great beer? No, No, what's the
worst beer? I don't know what the worst beer is?

(27:28):
A good beer is Miller Lite it's so good, in fact,
that you can drink it with your mouth. Brought to
you by Miller Lion. That's true. That campaign was from
years ago. Ben still getting residuals Now, that is a
good line. And I swear to god they if they
haven't just like lifted that from you and used that
in their advertising materials, that's I guess I'm like an

(27:50):
old man advertising material. Um, then they are missing the boat. Dude.
Uh yeah, I'm more of a whiskey guy. But you know,
I mean, you know, I am divorced. It's certainly possible
that alcohol lead to directly or indirectly to my divorce.
I can neither confirm nor deny that. Um, I do
have a job. I pay my way. I am I

(28:12):
a sinner. I don't know. I'm not a saint. Are
you debauched from time to time? I don't know if
I'm wholly debauched. So I think we have our debauched moments.
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(28:41):
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or both or all three of us or just us
say a joke that let's just know that you're you're,
you're cool, and we'll let you write. If it's a
good pun, I'm gonna just green light it all day.

(29:03):
We would also like to thank, as always, our super producer,
Casey Pegram, our research associates Ryan Barish and Gabe Lousia.
Alex Williams, who composed our theme, also gets a hefty thanks. Um.
We'd like to thank Christopher Aciota is here in spirit.
There's a Christopher shape whole and all of our hearts
that we hope to fill very soon thanks to the quister.
I miss him. We need to bring it back in
the game. Yeah he's okay. I'm warming up to the idea.

(29:25):
When he's gone for a while, sort of absence makes
the heart grow fonder and all that that's kind of
how I feel. But yeah, we should definitely have him
in so I can go back to hating him with
a fire deep inside me. Tell us and your fellow
listeners your favorite weird prohibition stories. Do you have uh
personal family connection to prohibition? To bootleg into moonshining A

(29:45):
lot of people in Appalachia do. Yeah. You can write
to us a ridiculous at I heart radio dot com.
We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,
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