September 26, 2023 • 45 mins
It's true! At least, to some. For decades various people have claimed Michigan has its own area of intense paranormal activity -- UFOs, ghosts, disappearances, you name it -- and they've mapped out something called "the Michigan Triangle." In today's episode, Ben, Noel and Max look through the evidence to determine whether these stories are true, or... you know. Ridiculous.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
for tuning in. Can we get it? Oh? Can we
get it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
H can we get a Michig goose? Can we get
a Michigan.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Like? Uh, you nailed it. Yeah, that's basically it. So
we are diving in with with great thanks to of course,
our super producer, the Man the Myth, mister Max Williams.
We are diving into a bit of a mystery. You've
heard of the Bermuda Trale, but what about the Michigan Triangle.
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My name's Ben Noel Brown.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You're here, Yeah, you know it's funny. I'm actually venturing
to Michigan. I've never been to the state of Michigan before,
and I'm going for funsies with with my my kid
and some friends. Uh, to see the band Mister Bungle
play at a venue called the Filmore in downtown Detroit.
Really excited. That's the cool art stuff in Detroit, and
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there's a place that I've never been to and I'm
looking forward to. Also never been to Bermuda and recently
rew I've been on an old school Disney movie Kick,
and in The Sword and the Stone, I love the
part where Merlin gets upset and goes blow me to Bermuda,
presumably acknowledging the triangle effect to some degree, being some
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sort of magical portal, I guess. But yeah, who knew
Lake Michigan, You know, one of the great lakes has
a mysterious vortex of some kind.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And I have always, like I imagine many of us non
Michiganders have been throughout time. I got to confess to
our pile, Max, I've always been mystified by how Michigan
ended up the one state.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I mean, it's just we gret like that. And the
best thing is Michigan is the only state where you
can use your hand to tell people where you're at,
because everyone in Michigan's like this, see I'm from here here,
I'm from here, from here. And I remember growing up
my family moved here to Atlanta in the nineties. I
was a kid when we moved here, and all my
friends were like, oh man, no, no one Michigan does that. Max,
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You're just a weirdo, which they're correct. I am a weirdo.
But I remember one time in college we're like a
bar just like singing to Maya. We're talking to some
people and this girls like, oh, I' from Michigan too,
I'm from this part, and my buddy Michael being like, wait,
people actually do that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, I've always told you that first.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I've heard of everything I know about Michigan. I learned
from the Sufian Stevens album Michigan to the Other States. Yeah,
we will, we will, we will, and we will. We're
doing better than him though a little bit. In any case.
I you know, that's where I heard about, like the
upper Peninsula and is it the lower Peninsula?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeahwa, which is the main peninsula.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think to your point, Ben, that's why it feels
weird right where it does almost feel like Canada or something,
and then you know, it just feels a weird divide.
It doesn't. It does feel like it's a tale of
two states peninsulas for sure, but you know it's and
there's also kind of distinctive vibes and sort of like
regional things depending on which part of the sita, which
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is true of other states. But it feels like a
little more so. But again, haven't been but lest we
bury the lead once again in case anybody isn't familiar.
The Remember You Triangle is a spot famed for being
the site of numerous ship and airplane disappearances. And this
is of course in the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The Michigan Triangle, on the other hand, is as we said,
in Lake Michigan, with its southern point at a place
called Benton Harbor.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And from there, if you trace the triangle out, just
like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll see you'll see the area
extends north to Luddington, Michigan, and the other line of
the triangle goes to Mantawac, Wisconsin. That the thing is, Look,
if you've never been to the Great Lakes, I promise
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it's not hyperbole. It's there's a reason for the hype.
They are huge, huge freshwater lakes. For the average sized human,
these are oceans.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, yeah, so I just like two three weeks ago,
was in Michigan. My cousin DJ is getting married, huge
like here on and it's look, you get out there
in like you know, you look at it, it's it's
just an ocean because you don't see the other shore,
like you know lakes down here in Georgia, which are
all you know, man made they're called you can always
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see it like Lake Lanears that the biggest one. You
can see across it easy. But no, these just look
like oceans. They just continue on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And they almost have waves. And they are cold as hell.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Oh there's cold as ice. And they're not willing to sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I love or anything else, you know, even a couple
of degrees. I was once in Duluth, Minnesota, which is
on the banks of one of the Great Lakes, and
I dipped my foot in there and about pulled out
a hypothermic stump. It was very, very.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Cold, And there's a reason that you shouldn't mess with
these bodies of water. Technically, they are what's called an
inland fresh water sea max if we could get some
spooky music, perfect. So if you look at the Lake
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Michigan Triangle, what you see is a dangerous region where
huge ships and even one commercial airline plane have vanished.
There's the shipwreck Alley in Lake Uron, there's the shipwreck
coast of Lake Superior. Those are all pretty intimidating. They're
tall orders, but because of the currents we mentioned earlier,
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Lake Michigan is then, as of now, considered the most
dangerous of the Great Lakes.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Dangerous lakes. Usually when I think of danger in lakes,
that involves like drug people getting in like jet ski
accidents or you know, water skiing accidents. They're just boating
while intoxicated, or just not being able to swim. That's
also a problem. But Ben, isn't there a local lake
legend or a local lakes or is it Lake Linear?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It is lake.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The city at the bottom of it was people were
flooded and people were killed.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes, Georgia has no natural lakes. Every single one you
see is the result of human intervention. A flood. Flood
did take a town where once Lake Lanier stood and
people die there every year because humans are not made
for water design flaw. You'd be the judge. Let's go
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to Charles Berlitz. Charles Berlitz is a guy who's always
been fascinated with things like the Bermuda Triangle, which, to
be very clear, has never been proven to be supernatural.
And when Charles is deep into Bermuda triangle research, he
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has a moment an epiphany and he says, hang on,
hang on a tick, what's that like? Michigan, isn't it
it is?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It is like Michigan. Uh. He sees some similarities, let's
just say, in in the in the manner and timing.
Uh and and just a lot of the a lot
of things lining up that feel to him like Jinki's
kind of aha moments right between these two anomalous areas.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And anomalous perfect word for it. And he's not alone.
The author of the book The Great Lakes Triangle one,
Jay Gorley, argued, quote, the Great Lakes account for more
unexplained disappearances per unit area than the Bermuda Triangle. Well,
tough to back, yeah, exactly. I mean there, you know,
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you have to look at the reporting, the statistics, you
have to we have to understand that given the decades
or centuries of time in play, the records aren't great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it is like an ocean because it runs along
the coast of like the entire state. And then like
there's you know, that's what separates the up and the
in Wisconsin, exactly Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
The shipping corners, that's what they use. Took the rivers
from there to go into there, and that's why industrial
cities like Chicago, Detroit all come from right there because
you can ship out to the Atlantic ocean, they.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Have navigable waterways. But now we're getting into the land
of water wise. I make no apology, no.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
As you been, I would like to award you a
blue ribbon on that one, my friend.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh goodness, thank you blue ribbon for punistry.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, like Nike shoes blue ribbon or actual blue ribbon.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, actual blue ribbon. How about how about we go
for a trip up to Lake Michigan to do the
show live and hope we don't disappear. Because what's interesting
about this when our pow research associated Jeff Dove into
god accident. When j was looking into this, Jeff found that,
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according to a lot of the local folklore, the majority
of these alleged eerie anomalous situations, they occur within a
discrete span of time from eighteen fifty to nineteen fifty
and after that there aren't as many quote unquote unexplained disappearances.
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But the apparently the first disappearance takes place in sixteen
seventy nine, or the first weird thing, we should.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Say, that's right, sixteen seventy nine, back half of the
seventeenth century. We start to see, like you guys were
just talking about the Great Lakes begin to take that
kind of shipping lane role you know earlier in the
early days of this kind of thing. This is more
becoming a route for fur trades. Right in sixteen seventy nine,
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a ship called Le Griffin or the Griffin if you
want to be in English about it, went on its
very first voyage. It's made in voyage. I love using
nautical terms. It was originally planned for the route to
be taken through the Great Lakes because it was the
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most efficient passage to to the far East. Yeah, a
north a northwest passage, not the Northwest passage, but a
very efficient northwest passage to the far East, in the
hopes of bringing the fur trade to Asia or as
they called it back then, the Orient.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
They did did. I'm just it's so there's this strong
economic argument right for enduring traversing these at times dangerous waters.
Sad to say, Le Griffon never made it past Lake Michigan.
At some point it disappeared within the confines of what
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proponents call the Lake Michigan Triangle. And so most people
assume that the ship sank below the depths of this
enormous inland sea such that it would be impossible to
recover any remnants of the wreckage, any remnants of the cargo,
any remnants of the crew. And the deadliest sinking in
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the entirety of the Great Lakes also occurred in this
triangle in eighteen sixty. The Lady Elgin goes down. You know,
cast your memory back there, as Van Morrison said, brown
eyed girl, it's eighteen sixty. The majority of ships are
still going to be made of wood. The Lady Elgin
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is a steamship, but it is a wooden steamship, and
it hits a smaller vessel called the Augusta. The Augusta
is able to limp safely to harbor, but the Lady
Elgin continues taking on water and it sinks. Three hundred
people die.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh yeah, gosh, it's stuff. It's the stuff of nautical legend,
you know, or you think of like the ghost ship
that's forever doomed to wander whatever the nautical version of
wander is. Lists Perhaps no listing is. I think when
they tip over, it doesn't matter. Yeah, three hundred dead
in this mysterious region. Same deal. Next, we've got May
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twenty first, eighteen ninety one, and I have to just
I guess this is just the writing style of Milwaukee,
which comes from Milwaukee Magazine. And the first thing just
says seven sturdy sailors of strong Wisconsin stock dropped a
shipment of lumber off in Chicago and then board at
their ship. I wish it ended with an oc sounding,
it would make it more like a limerick or something.
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But their ship was called the Thomas Hume. Uh, and
they were setting sail for Muskegon. Where's Muskegon? No, Muskogee,
it could be anywhere up there.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Honestly, that's a very Midwestern name.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's sureus. And they got a nice art
museum there Grand Rapids. It's it's I think it's I
think you know what it is. I think it's like
a bedroom community type deal.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And in Muskogan at this point, there is something called
the Hackey Hume lumber Mill. The Thomas Hume is a
sail boat, as we said, it has it's a big,
big operation. It's a schooner. And this is not the
first Michigan rodeo for these guys. They have made this
journey back and forth multiple times on the lumber company's
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other ship, that Rouse Simmons. But despite the fact that
this was a routine voyage. They set across Lake Michigan
and they never reach their destination. Crazy thing about wood
in a shipwreck. Wood floats. So it's interesting that when
this thing disappeared in eighteen ninety one, despite the fact
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that it was a wooden vessel and it was literally
carried loads of wood, no debris from the schooner was
ever found to.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The no flotsam and or jetsam. That is really suspicious,
and that's when you start that's when the you know,
enough of these types of things get reported that you
start to think there might be something up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh quick, amendment, however, we're giving you the turn by
turn of the story. In two thousand and six, divers
found what they think might be partial remains of the ship.
But who can tell it's wood, you know what I mean,
It's like it's more wood at the bottom of this
inland sea.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It floats, but doesn't wood also so rot when water
logged like that, and so it could you know, be
hard to identify. Prapps m h.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, And there's been a lot of research on this
wreckage to confirm whether or not it belongs to the
Thomas Hume but Word on the street, or should we
say word on the shore, seems pretty convinced that this
this shows us the ship somehow wrecked, and this is
where we go to. Let's go back to the Thomas Hume.
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Let's talk about the great granddaughter of Thomas Hume, Elizabeth Sherman.
She wrote a book entirely about some of these mishaps.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, a very poetic title, I might add, Beyond the
wind Swept Dunes, the Story of Maritime Muskegone Muskegone. I
bet it's Muskeegne like Muskegee Tuskegee. But Muskegone sounds cool.
It sounds more futuristic.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I feel like no Elon Musk is gonna name his kid,
his next kid Muskegon.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Sherman. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It doesn't have enough like numbers in it.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, that's true, and it needs some more hashtags and
the like alpha numeric figure.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It reminds me of what Frank Zappa named his children,
and one of them changed their name correct.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, my favorite was always Moon Unit, who just went
shortened it to Moon. She was a VJ on on MTV.
I think a couple of them were. But duezl still
goes by deusel Almet arguably the most sensible name. But
I'm a big fan of Frank Zappa and his kids.
I think it's pretty cool. I think Ahmatt is at
odds though Deuezel's cool. He actually plays the music of
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his dad. But Amitt, I think is the eldest and
is literally trying to sue his brother to keep from
using his own name. He's kind of messed up. You
hate to see that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's like one of the most sensible name is actually
the biggest asshole. But speaking of names, what a what
a generic segue into a story that involves names. Sherman
attempted to explain the last voyage in her book, the
Last Voyage of the Hume.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, and you know, in the last Voyage of the Hume,
they had that other boat, the Rouse Simmons, going with them.
The weather turned ugly and the Simmons made their way
back to Chicago. The Hume weathered it on alone and
disappeared again. People still will tell you that this Homus
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Hume was discovered at the bottom of the lake in
two thousand and six. And the creepy thing is to
the point about water log and decay in a maritime environment.
The creepy thing is the hume was still apparently in
your perfect condition.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Whoa, perhaps it was surrounded by one of those atlantis
bubbles that we hear so much about.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh yeah, I hear about them all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Thing moving on to that spooky that one is like that,
that's sort of like the twist at the end of
a little short horror story. And after all that time,
it was a near perfect condition, and then her head.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Fell off and they found the hook on the side
of the door in the morning. There's a weird moment though, right. Yes,
there's something about this tragedy with the Thomas Hume that
inspires people in the shoreline communities to say, hey, maybe
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there's something up, Maybe there's something wrong with the water,
and sailors then and now, always being somewhat of a
superstitious lot, start to think it's bad luck, and bystanders
are paying more and more attention to the vessels on
the horizon. Yeah, you're right, Ben, Each one of these
stories has a little of that. I would say the
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Hume most so, but each one of these has some
little little off detail that's kind of makes you makes
it easier for the mind to grasp that these are
in some way connected, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Case in point, the Rosa Bell. When the Thomas Hume,
which I believe would we could say was the most
famous thus far of these disappearances, when it disappeared, people
really started to wonder what was going on. Like you said, Ben,
people were really starting to make these connections and think,
is there something amiss here? Is there some you know,
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malevolent forest at play? Because by this point, Ben, wouldn't
the idea of the Bermuda Triangle have been kind of known?
Was it that like a like a sailor's tale as well,
or was that a little more modern?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I think I want to say it was a little
bit more modern as an urban legend. I think the
first story about the Bermuda Triangle comes along in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Okay, wow, So in a weird way, the Michigan Triangle
kind of pre dates the Bermuda Triangle in terms of
its sort of like regional status or whatever. And again
I did not know about the story until Research Associates
extraordinary Jeff Bartlett brought it to our attention. Whereas you
hear about the Bermuda Triangle all the time, probably more
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bad low budget movies about the Bermuda Triangle than made
than we care to count. But the Rosa Bella. The
turn of the century we start to see some other
strange events, and the first of which we're going to
talk about now involving this ship called the Rosa bell
Bella Bell at b E l E in nineteen twenty one.
We've got eleven folks who are aboard this ship, all
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members of the Benton Harbor House of David. Is that
like a church? What are we talking? What is the
Benton Harbor House of David. That's a wild name for
an organization.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It is a commune. Oh, it's a religious group which
is still around today. It was founded by Benjamin Pernell
Benjamin and Mary Pernell.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Very Michigan centric. So now we basically kind of have
a cult involved. Huh, why not? You know, let's just
put in for good measure. So all twelve members of
this commune disappeared and their ship was found Wait, let's
let's get back into nautical terms. What is foundered mean?
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Doesn't that mean that the ship has as capsized?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Cap size is capsized? Foundered is floundered? Foundered? No, it's
a nautical term. It means for a ship to fill
with water and sink sixth drowned when the yacht foundered
off the Florida coast. Sorry, I'm just getting into trying
to use as many silly, obscure nomical terms.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You said, Florida coast.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, No, that was in the definition. Oh, I was
just reading the example that the dictionary gave.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
They just can't grasp that something would founder off the
coast of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That's weird, right, but it did. But again to your
previous point, Max, you really do have to think of
these bodies of water more like oceans with their own
kind of machinations, right ben Well.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Flounder also means to struggle or stagger. Cumsley and water
and the Rose bel It's interesting the Roosevelt did not sink.
It was found overturned. It was foundered overturned floating in
Lake Michigan, but not the way the shipbuilders designed it
to float. The ship was apparently damaged in a collision
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with something, which ties in, by the way, with cryptid legends,
but no other ship reported a collision, No other remains
had been found, and a lot of people in the
area said that's nuts because the Rose of Bell had
been rebuilt after an earlier mishap in the eighteen hundreds,
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very similar to this one.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Again Superstit sort of a ship of thesis kind of quandary,
not really just just in that it's a ship and
there's some rebuilding involved, but I mean it's not offally
every piece had not been changed out by this point.
That's the famous thought experiment. Another fun nautical term that
just came to mind is listed. When a ship lists,
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that means it takes on water and leans over to
one side. So that's basically what the what the what
the ship was doing here? And to your point, Ben,
this is kind of the little spooky story twist, right,
the idea that the ship had been rebuilt after a
previous wreck that was very similar to that other one.
That is sort of the little twist that makes this
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fit kind of you know what I mean, Like there's
gotta be some little extra ghostbusters e clue in each
of these. There wasn't any evidence as to what may
have caused the shipwreck, and it was very mysterious as
to what happens to every single soul on board, right,
It's almost like they were pressed to digitated, you know,
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into another realm. But again, this wasn't in the days
of like, you know, underwater drones and the ability to
do such an exhaustive search. So that also, I think
figures somewhat into not being able to find all of
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and the coastguard said it's a mystery. The eleven
crew members, again from the commune, were never found. So
what if it's more than just shipwrecks. We'll just fast
forward a little bit to a guy named Captain George R.
Donner in nineteen thirty seven. Is he related to the
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daughter party? Honestly, I haven't checked as a banging party.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I was gonna say he's a related to George R. R. Martin,
but uh, you know, I certainly.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Got one R though. Man, that's an absurd question. Ben's
question was at least reasonable. You think everyone with an
R for a middle name and George is related? Sorry, Max,
I didn't mean to be so harsh on you. I
love you. Are you turning away from me? He made
the heart figure, he made the heart sign. All is well,
he's just giving me the silent treatment. Yeah. Nineteen thirty seven,
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George R. Donner on the O. M. McFarland sailing through
as we mentioned, very very icy, icy conditions in the
Great Lakes. You know, even in the best of times,
that water's damn cold. But you know, if you're battling
icy conditions, this is like Titanic kind of you know situation.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And he's not the youngest of men. Captain Donner is
fifty eight years old. He's already had a heck of
a slog. The ship is sailing through the Lake Michigan triangle.
So he shuts the door to his cabin, you know,
maybe takes off his hat and says, I'm gonna crash
for a second. But he didn't mean it literally, because
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a few hours later, the ship is drawing closer and
closer to Port Washington. The crew members are knocking on
the door. Captain, Captain Captain. No one answers. The door
locks from the inside. Eventually they break down the door
and they find the cabin is captainless. The entire ship searches,
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they never find the guy. He is a ghost.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Holy cow, do you think he wanted to commit himself
to old Davy Jones's locker? Like he felt like it
has been a good run. You know, my home is
the sea.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Maybe maybe he was like, fifty eight, this is my year.
I'm going to start a new life.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
This is like Midsommar rules. You know that I'm imposing
oh myself in my cult of one, my cult of
the mind. Crazy though, that's weird and like to your point, Ben,
it's not just about ships anymore. This is the kind
of stuff that you see dramatized in some of those
bad perm you to triangle type stories, you know, where
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people just vanish like it's some sort of you know,
piercing of the veil between two worlds, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
That would be some of the more supernatural or paranoris
arguments for this. The Lake Michigan Triangle, as we mentioned
at the top, has also apparently claimed an aircraft. Northwest
Airline flight twenty five oh one disappeared in June of
nineteen fifty. Maybe let's dive into the details there.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
That's right, June twenty third, to be precise, nineteen fifty
Northwest Airlines Flight twenty five oh one. Guarantee, my brother,
this is some lost inspo right here.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's flying from New York City to Seattle with fifty
eight people on board over the Lake Michigan Triangle. Captain
of the ship, Robert Lynde, calls in to ask for
permission to you know, make their descent or actually make
us Pacific descent twenty five hundred feet because of a
bad electrical storm in some high winds. But he's denied.
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WHOA why would he be denied? That seems like a
crappy thing to do. He's trying to be safe. Maybybe
it was a matter of air traffic and they gave
him some other option. But apparently then communications are severed.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah. Look, we know being an air traffic controller is
an incredibly difficult and stressful job. But it stood out
to me as well. Man, the idea that you could
just say nah, like, hey, stay the course, you're good.
Our planes crashy, Nah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Just fly right into that sucker. He'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You've got it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You've trained, you've trained your whole career for this.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
But seriously, man, does this not feel like the plot
of Lost?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It does?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Don't find They don't find the plane.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's a Michigan or version thereof for sure, and there's
a there's this huge search. This is the nineteen fifties, right,
So it's not the same. Is when a wooden schooner disappears,
they drag Lake Michigan for wreckage, as in physically dragged,
not like Twitter drag, and they don't find anything for days.
(30:10):
Human remains are washing up on the shore, but the
plane itself is gone. And this is where we have
to ask ourselves. Right, if human remains are washing up,
then that does mean the plane crashed, right, because the
plane would have to crack open, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh yeah, those things are like hermetically sealed. You know,
speaking of which, not to derealist too much, but did
you hear about that flight from Atlanta to Guy Barcelona
kept pooping all the way to pooping? Well, the thing
that I didn't realize that I thought was so interesting
about that is apparently when someone is having explosive diarrhea
in a shared air hermetically sealed environment, it's considered a biohazard.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It is you're tasting that, That's what smell is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I tried to incept Matt Frederick into talking about that
on Strange News yesterday. I told I told Ben that
before the corner, But I tried to incept Matt, and
unfortunately I'm not very good at any take.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Matt's also like a steel trap man. That guy can't
be incepted.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
True, very true. I should have tried it one of y'all.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But well, it obviously worked on me, it did whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Maybe I also like to talk about airplane poop with
an article Advice that references it posed the question of
what about those people that took a very strong sleeping
pill thinking they'd wake up in Barcelona and then woke
up bay back in Atlanta and then be having to
tiptoe around poop flowing. I don't know. I want to
know more details about the center.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I was talking to my friend Meredith about that and
also going to see the Postal Service concert next month
in Seattle, and I sent her a recycled air I'm like,
this song means a very different thing right now to me.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, also, I've you know, guys, I've been on a
lot of flights in a lot of different situations. The
I get get into them, you just do, man. Well,
I got yeah, right right. So I I'm pretty close
with the Delta community behind the scenes, and this has
been the talk of the town, right It's the talk
(32:10):
of the talk of the skies. And I would just
want to practice an exercise empathy here. No, very few
people purposely get explosive diarrhea. Very few people want that
to happen. So if you're hearing this, hope your butt's okay. Man,
you know you will live to fly another day.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh. One person, God, that person isn't being docked by name.
Can you imagine if that was in the papers? Oh,
your life would be over and.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
He had nothing to do but run for president at
that point. Yeah, it's typic canoe and skypoop two. Right,
So there's also oh wait, this might be a different
story for another day, but Louis Armstrong was a guy
who did enjoy explosive diarrhea. He was a laxative salesman. Oh,
(33:00):
in addition to being a celebrity. Yeah, okay, anyway, that
has nothing to do with Lake Michigan. Hopefully people are
pooping in it. They don't.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh, they certainly are.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I know, I know, hopefully though better angels. As we
said the previous show, there is a search every year
for flight twenty five oh one. It is funded by
Clive Cussler, the famous, the famous thriller novelist, and the
Michigan Shipwreck Research associates.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Clive Custler famously into nautical exploration and stuff too. Remember
we spoke to that I always forget her dang name,
Rachel Lance. Rachel Lance about underwater explosions and specifically surrounding
what was the name of the vessel. The Clive Custler
basically also financed them digging up. It was like a
Civil War era, like weird sub and like the deaths
(33:54):
of those individuals due to like implosion basically, but the
Hunley HL only that was what we talked about, and
that's yeah, that's very much a Custler thing.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And then because this is folklore, right, the Lake Michigan
Triangle is urban legend. It is folklore. That's why you
hear stories that come out after the fact, like history
Daily dot org reports to police officers about two hours
after the flight disappeared, they report seeing a red light
(34:28):
hovering above Lake Michigan for ten minutes. Is that true?
There's no way to know.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, But it's the kind of things that we see,
you know, in the obviously on our other show stuff.
They don't want you to know. This type of lore
always finds a way to incorporate, like extraterrestrials, you know,
like it's it's an abduction site. There's some perfect alignment
that this is like this, you know, like perfect storm
spot for being abducted.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And there are many, many more examples. But while we
are on our paranormal stuff, they don't want you to
know vibe. Let's lean into it, as they say in
corporate America, let's learn more about the strange lights. Let's
learn more about the spooky stuff. Let's take a peek
under the kimono. Oh no, no, kimono. It's so bad.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
God, We've been around enough leadership type changes and corporate
folk to you know, we could fill a couple of
mole scheme notebooks with these douchey corporate sayings. They're all
delightfully cringey. But yeah, it's true. Ben, you make a
great point in what we discussed earlier absolutely holds true
in this situation. There are many other reports like what
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you heard from those police officers. Reports are strange lights hovering,
you know, crafts supernatural goings on. Right, we also heard
some folks reporting odd and sudden changes in the weather.
Max pointed out earlier that Lake Michigan is big enough
to have its own kind of micro weather, like you know,
(36:05):
waves and stuff like that in storms. But even this,
this is outside of the norm. For that, the idea
of rogue waves, which are like out of nowhere, very
powerful and damaging waves, and then like crazy weather phenomenons
or anomalies, really they just kind of pop up out
of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, people, you can find countless tales of people claiming
to see strange lights in the sky at night, claiming
maybe their compasses or other electromagnetically sensitive instruments aren't working.
And of course, just like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll find
people who say there is some sort of portal through time,
(36:45):
through space, through dimensions. At this point, none of that
is proved, but it is true for the average person.
The weather on the lake is strange in that triangle area. Now,
is that because there are Eldrich love Craftian forces at play,
(37:07):
or is that because weather is difficult to predict and
most people on the surface of the ocean or this
case in inland sea don't understand it. Max, I love
your head shakes right now. You go on, Yeah, you're
going Eldrich monster.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeap, Okay, I want it, I want it. So bad, y'all.
I want that more than I want extraterrestrials. Give me
Cuthulhu all day. Loah, yog shabab, whatever the f What
do they say, man if Tak, Yeah, that's the one.
By the way, I know this was occurring to me
in terms of like thinking about the ecosystem that is
(37:43):
Lake Michigan, just in particular. It is two hundred and
seventy nine feet in depth average, but there are points
of it that can go as deep as nine hundred
and twenty five feet. That's deep. I mean, it's not
like you know, deep sea exploration deep, but for a
freaking lake, that's that's intensely deep.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Agreed. Yeah, especially considering that once again, human beings are
not made to be under the water, right.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So this they kind of go pop. Yeah, they go
too deep.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Mm hmm. Yeah, they pop and then they flop and
they may be jetsam or flotsam as a result. So
there's also there's something that I do think has a
little bit of sand the idea that there are ancient structures, yes,
beneath the water brought up the depths yea, because it's
it's completely plausible given the rise and fall of the
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water level over time. We know that the human world
is littered with under sea ruins. It's just do they
have some sort of special powers.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, right, things like the Lost City of Atlantis for example.
That's why I mentioned the Atlantis bubble earlier, because that's
when you start getting into that kind of stuff. You know,
we were talking about mysterious goings on and then we're
starting to talk about ancient structures of a stone enge nature.
But like you know, under the water. But there have
been some unusual structures or I guess rock formations found
(39:14):
at the bottom of Lake Michigan, and for a long time,
researchers kind of kept them lit on it because they
did your point, Ben, They a didn't want a bunch
of like Yahoo's diving down in there trying to you know,
check them out and ended up getting trapped or killed
or whatever. And b didn't want them to disrupt you know,
what was ultimately a scene of research, a place where
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they wanted to be able to keep things intact.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
M absolutely, and we all know how it goes when
people are working on science. A publisher report that says,
maybe with these a million caveats, this thing might be
a possibility you can consider next thing. You know, there's
an alarmist, breathless headline all over social media that says,
(40:01):
this guy has a degree, and he says the stone
hinge is made by alien fish and they live in
Lockness and they live in Lake Michigan, and they freaking
hate wooden.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Boats and they get it on like rabbits. Don't know
why I felt it't they need to add that detail.
But this rock formation, though, is described as being a
forty foot ring of ancient stones that's around fifty feet
under the surface of Lake Michigan. And apparently one of
the stones has what appears to be a carving of
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a mastodon, which is an animal that only existed or
that went extinct rather in the Ice Age about ten
thousand years ago.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, so I mean this is just this was taught
from early on. Is that, like you know, Michigan is
a very flat state, Like you know, Georgia is a
very hilly mistake right next to Appalachians. Obviously northern parts
are in the Appalations. Michigan got flattened out by the
glaciers from the from the last Great Ice Age, and
the Great Lakes were dug from the right, So this
(41:01):
all kind of tracks. Look, you know, stuff dating back
to like the Ice Age now at the bottom of
a lake, because that's all from ice Age time period.
So you know, I believe in it. There's fish that
repopulate like rabbits that hate all of us, that are
aliens down there.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I've been yeah, vioally, yeah, you know, we got there.
We got there. We also can't wait to go visit
that I missed the Great Lakes. We can't wait to
go visit ourselves and folks, we see in this exploration
not just a series of tragedies in this one area,
but we see a cultural attempt to explain those tragedies
(41:39):
all together in a larger theory. This makes us want
to shout out a recent episode we did on stuff
they don't want you to know. Read in my mind,
how to build an urban legend.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
It's a lot easier than you might think, and is
absolutely you can either say, aided or exacerbated by the
Internet like this our modern times in the game of
telephone that is social media communications. And to a previous
point we made just about how easy it is to
just have something out there, attach the name of a
(42:13):
person of note and then all of a sudden, people
are reposting it as fact.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Keanu Reeves says Lake Michigan is dangerous because of the aliens. Yeah,
one thousand people in thirty seconds will go. I don't know.
I believe him, though he seems right.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
He was in the Matrix and then he was John Wick.
I mean he's been the two greatest heroes of all time.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
All right, Well, I think the John Wick movies are wonderful.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
I love him, they really are. I love him, I
love them. But also I love Pacific Rims, so I
might not be the best.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Joe Pacific rim I like the first one. We've talked
about this, I think we're in agreement.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
He was also the quarterback in The Replacements, which is
a very funny movie with Gene Hackman in it.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
He also knows where the Bostard sleeps in Francis Ford, Coplas.
So with that, while we're waiting for Kiatu to confirm
his own experiences with Lake Michigan.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, oh it just last thing. Speaking of made in voyages,
have you guys seen anything about or have any interest
in the voyage of the Demeter, which is like origin story? Yeah? Yeah,
apparently not very good. I do like the idea of it,
but apparently it's just like a basically a slasher movie
on a boat. Fine with our with our guy the
(43:28):
Onion Night from from Game of Throne, So I think
we all.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Have a bit of a soft spot for of course, finally,
and we want to learn more of these stories. There
is again a lot we didn't get to in this one.
So if you would like to delve into the story
the Lake Michigan Triangle, then why not join us for
an upcoming clip show. What are we calling it? Guys? Stuff,
(43:52):
we lost stuff, we forgot, stuff that got left over,
stuff that got left over. In the meantime, we hope
you are having a wonderful week a wonderful weeknd. We
will be on the way back very soon, as as
we gave an earlier shout out. If you live out
Las Vegas Way, let us know.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, let's do a meet a meetup? Is that what
they call him?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yes, do one of those we can have. We can
have a fear and loathing type experience. We go to
circus circus and I'm just kidding. We don't do things
like that, but we would love to see you if
you're out there there, we'll we'll give you some more
details around the actual live events and how you can
get into that. But help. Yeah, let us know if
you're around.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm excited about seeing the Hoover Dam in person, and
let us know if the Hoover Dam's worth the trip.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
He's not kidding. Yeah, he's been talking about it a lot,
and I feel the energy and the love.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It'll be an episode at the very least. Thank you,
as always to our super producer, mister Max Williams. Williams Williams,
our official michigand er Gander Gander, How we do, Max,
How we do on this week?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
A resounding, a resounding uproarious cosa from Max Michigan Williams,
Max the sturdy sailor of strong.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Michigan stock.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
There we go. Thanks also to Alex Williams to composed
our track, Chris vossi Otis East, jeffco Here in Spirit,
Jonathan Strickland, the hidden structure at the bottom of our
own lake or the mastadon bones out of fool work?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, whatever the hieroglyph on our mystical rock structure. Now
that sounds too positive. We'll work shop this and thanks
to you know ah YouTube brother. See you next time, folks.
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the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
for tuning in. Can we get it? Oh? Can we
get it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
H can we get a Michig goose? Can we get
a Michigan.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Like? Uh, you nailed it. Yeah, that's basically it. So
we are diving in with with great thanks to of course,
our super producer, the Man the Myth, mister Max Williams.
We are diving into a bit of a mystery. You've
heard of the Bermuda Trale, but what about the Michigan Triangle.
(01:03):
My name's Ben Noel Brown.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You're here, Yeah, you know it's funny. I'm actually venturing
to Michigan. I've never been to the state of Michigan before,
and I'm going for funsies with with my my kid
and some friends. Uh, to see the band Mister Bungle
play at a venue called the Filmore in downtown Detroit.
Really excited. That's the cool art stuff in Detroit, and
(01:28):
there's a place that I've never been to and I'm
looking forward to. Also never been to Bermuda and recently
rew I've been on an old school Disney movie Kick,
and in The Sword and the Stone, I love the
part where Merlin gets upset and goes blow me to Bermuda,
presumably acknowledging the triangle effect to some degree, being some
(01:50):
sort of magical portal, I guess. But yeah, who knew
Lake Michigan, You know, one of the great lakes has
a mysterious vortex of some kind.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And I have always, like I imagine many of us non
Michiganders have been throughout time. I got to confess to
our pile, Max, I've always been mystified by how Michigan
ended up the one state.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I mean, it's just we gret like that. And the
best thing is Michigan is the only state where you
can use your hand to tell people where you're at,
because everyone in Michigan's like this, see I'm from here here,
I'm from here, from here. And I remember growing up
my family moved here to Atlanta in the nineties. I
was a kid when we moved here, and all my
friends were like, oh man, no, no one Michigan does that. Max,
(02:37):
You're just a weirdo, which they're correct. I am a weirdo.
But I remember one time in college we're like a
bar just like singing to Maya. We're talking to some
people and this girls like, oh, I' from Michigan too,
I'm from this part, and my buddy Michael being like, wait,
people actually do that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, I've always told you that first.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I've heard of everything I know about Michigan. I learned
from the Sufian Stevens album Michigan to the Other States. Yeah,
we will, we will, we will, and we will. We're
doing better than him though a little bit. In any case.
I you know, that's where I heard about, like the
upper Peninsula and is it the lower Peninsula?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeahwa, which is the main peninsula.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think to your point, Ben, that's why it feels
weird right where it does almost feel like Canada or something,
and then you know, it just feels a weird divide.
It doesn't. It does feel like it's a tale of
two states peninsulas for sure, but you know it's and
there's also kind of distinctive vibes and sort of like
regional things depending on which part of the sita, which
(03:36):
is true of other states. But it feels like a
little more so. But again, haven't been but lest we
bury the lead once again in case anybody isn't familiar.
The Remember You Triangle is a spot famed for being
the site of numerous ship and airplane disappearances. And this
is of course in the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The Michigan Triangle, on the other hand, is as we said,
in Lake Michigan, with its southern point at a place
called Benton Harbor.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And from there, if you trace the triangle out, just
like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll see you'll see the area
extends north to Luddington, Michigan, and the other line of
the triangle goes to Mantawac, Wisconsin. That the thing is, Look,
if you've never been to the Great Lakes, I promise
(04:28):
it's not hyperbole. It's there's a reason for the hype.
They are huge, huge freshwater lakes. For the average sized human,
these are oceans.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, yeah, so I just like two three weeks ago,
was in Michigan. My cousin DJ is getting married, huge
like here on and it's look, you get out there
in like you know, you look at it, it's it's
just an ocean because you don't see the other shore,
like you know lakes down here in Georgia, which are
all you know, man made they're called you can always
(04:59):
see it like Lake Lanears that the biggest one. You
can see across it easy. But no, these just look
like oceans. They just continue on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And they almost have waves. And they are cold as hell.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Oh there's cold as ice. And they're not willing to sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I love or anything else, you know, even a couple
of degrees. I was once in Duluth, Minnesota, which is
on the banks of one of the Great Lakes, and
I dipped my foot in there and about pulled out
a hypothermic stump. It was very, very.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Cold, And there's a reason that you shouldn't mess with
these bodies of water. Technically, they are what's called an
inland fresh water sea max if we could get some
spooky music, perfect. So if you look at the Lake
(06:02):
Michigan Triangle, what you see is a dangerous region where
huge ships and even one commercial airline plane have vanished.
There's the shipwreck Alley in Lake Uron, there's the shipwreck
coast of Lake Superior. Those are all pretty intimidating. They're
tall orders, but because of the currents we mentioned earlier,
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Lake Michigan is then, as of now, considered the most
dangerous of the Great Lakes.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Dangerous lakes. Usually when I think of danger in lakes,
that involves like drug people getting in like jet ski
accidents or you know, water skiing accidents. They're just boating
while intoxicated, or just not being able to swim. That's
also a problem. But Ben, isn't there a local lake
legend or a local lakes or is it Lake Linear?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It is lake.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The city at the bottom of it was people were
flooded and people were killed.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes, Georgia has no natural lakes. Every single one you
see is the result of human intervention. A flood. Flood
did take a town where once Lake Lanier stood and
people die there every year because humans are not made
for water design flaw. You'd be the judge. Let's go
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to Charles Berlitz. Charles Berlitz is a guy who's always
been fascinated with things like the Bermuda Triangle, which, to
be very clear, has never been proven to be supernatural.
And when Charles is deep into Bermuda triangle research, he
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has a moment an epiphany and he says, hang on,
hang on a tick, what's that like? Michigan, isn't it
it is?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It is like Michigan. Uh. He sees some similarities, let's
just say, in in the in the manner and timing.
Uh and and just a lot of the a lot
of things lining up that feel to him like Jinki's
kind of aha moments right between these two anomalous areas.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And anomalous perfect word for it. And he's not alone.
The author of the book The Great Lakes Triangle one,
Jay Gorley, argued, quote, the Great Lakes account for more
unexplained disappearances per unit area than the Bermuda Triangle. Well,
tough to back, yeah, exactly. I mean there, you know,
(08:42):
you have to look at the reporting, the statistics, you
have to we have to understand that given the decades
or centuries of time in play, the records aren't great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it is like an ocean because it runs along
the coast of like the entire state. And then like
there's you know, that's what separates the up and the
in Wisconsin, exactly Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
The shipping corners, that's what they use. Took the rivers
from there to go into there, and that's why industrial
cities like Chicago, Detroit all come from right there because
you can ship out to the Atlantic ocean, they.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Have navigable waterways. But now we're getting into the land
of water wise. I make no apology, no.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
As you been, I would like to award you a
blue ribbon on that one, my friend.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh goodness, thank you blue ribbon for punistry.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, like Nike shoes blue ribbon or actual blue ribbon.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, actual blue ribbon. How about how about we go
for a trip up to Lake Michigan to do the
show live and hope we don't disappear. Because what's interesting
about this when our pow research associated Jeff Dove into
god accident. When j was looking into this, Jeff found that,
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according to a lot of the local folklore, the majority
of these alleged eerie anomalous situations, they occur within a
discrete span of time from eighteen fifty to nineteen fifty
and after that there aren't as many quote unquote unexplained disappearances.
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But the apparently the first disappearance takes place in sixteen
seventy nine, or the first weird thing, we should.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Say, that's right, sixteen seventy nine, back half of the
seventeenth century. We start to see, like you guys were
just talking about the Great Lakes begin to take that
kind of shipping lane role you know earlier in the
early days of this kind of thing. This is more
becoming a route for fur trades. Right in sixteen seventy nine,
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a ship called Le Griffin or the Griffin if you
want to be in English about it, went on its
very first voyage. It's made in voyage. I love using
nautical terms. It was originally planned for the route to
be taken through the Great Lakes because it was the
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most efficient passage to to the far East. Yeah, a
north a northwest passage, not the Northwest passage, but a
very efficient northwest passage to the far East, in the
hopes of bringing the fur trade to Asia or as
they called it back then, the Orient.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
They did did. I'm just it's so there's this strong
economic argument right for enduring traversing these at times dangerous waters.
Sad to say, Le Griffon never made it past Lake Michigan.
At some point it disappeared within the confines of what
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proponents call the Lake Michigan Triangle. And so most people
assume that the ship sank below the depths of this
enormous inland sea such that it would be impossible to
recover any remnants of the wreckage, any remnants of the cargo,
any remnants of the crew. And the deadliest sinking in
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the entirety of the Great Lakes also occurred in this
triangle in eighteen sixty. The Lady Elgin goes down. You know,
cast your memory back there, as Van Morrison said, brown
eyed girl, it's eighteen sixty. The majority of ships are
still going to be made of wood. The Lady Elgin
(12:47):
is a steamship, but it is a wooden steamship, and
it hits a smaller vessel called the Augusta. The Augusta
is able to limp safely to harbor, but the Lady
Elgin continues taking on water and it sinks. Three hundred
people die.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh yeah, gosh, it's stuff. It's the stuff of nautical legend,
you know, or you think of like the ghost ship
that's forever doomed to wander whatever the nautical version of
wander is. Lists Perhaps no listing is. I think when
they tip over, it doesn't matter. Yeah, three hundred dead
in this mysterious region. Same deal. Next, we've got May
(13:36):
twenty first, eighteen ninety one, and I have to just
I guess this is just the writing style of Milwaukee,
which comes from Milwaukee Magazine. And the first thing just
says seven sturdy sailors of strong Wisconsin stock dropped a
shipment of lumber off in Chicago and then board at
their ship. I wish it ended with an oc sounding,
it would make it more like a limerick or something.
(13:57):
But their ship was called the Thomas Hume. Uh, and
they were setting sail for Muskegon. Where's Muskegon? No, Muskogee,
it could be anywhere up there.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Honestly, that's a very Midwestern name.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's sureus. And they got a nice art
museum there Grand Rapids. It's it's I think it's I
think you know what it is. I think it's like
a bedroom community type deal.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And in Muskogan at this point, there is something called
the Hackey Hume lumber Mill. The Thomas Hume is a
sail boat, as we said, it has it's a big,
big operation. It's a schooner. And this is not the
first Michigan rodeo for these guys. They have made this
journey back and forth multiple times on the lumber company's
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other ship, that Rouse Simmons. But despite the fact that
this was a routine voyage. They set across Lake Michigan
and they never reach their destination. Crazy thing about wood
in a shipwreck. Wood floats. So it's interesting that when
this thing disappeared in eighteen ninety one, despite the fact
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that it was a wooden vessel and it was literally
carried loads of wood, no debris from the schooner was
ever found to.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The no flotsam and or jetsam. That is really suspicious,
and that's when you start that's when the you know,
enough of these types of things get reported that you
start to think there might be something up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh quick, amendment, however, we're giving you the turn by
turn of the story. In two thousand and six, divers
found what they think might be partial remains of the ship.
But who can tell it's wood, you know what I mean,
It's like it's more wood at the bottom of this
inland sea.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It floats, but doesn't wood also so rot when water
logged like that, and so it could you know, be
hard to identify. Prapps m h.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, And there's been a lot of research on this
wreckage to confirm whether or not it belongs to the
Thomas Hume but Word on the street, or should we
say word on the shore, seems pretty convinced that this
this shows us the ship somehow wrecked, and this is
where we go to. Let's go back to the Thomas Hume.
(16:28):
Let's talk about the great granddaughter of Thomas Hume, Elizabeth Sherman.
She wrote a book entirely about some of these mishaps.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, a very poetic title, I might add, Beyond the
wind Swept Dunes, the Story of Maritime Muskegone Muskegone. I
bet it's Muskeegne like Muskegee Tuskegee. But Muskegone sounds cool.
It sounds more futuristic.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I feel like no Elon Musk is gonna name his kid,
his next kid Muskegon.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Sherman. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It doesn't have enough like numbers in it.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, that's true, and it needs some more hashtags and
the like alpha numeric figure.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It reminds me of what Frank Zappa named his children,
and one of them changed their name correct.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, my favorite was always Moon Unit, who just went
shortened it to Moon. She was a VJ on on MTV.
I think a couple of them were. But duezl still
goes by deusel Almet arguably the most sensible name. But
I'm a big fan of Frank Zappa and his kids.
I think it's pretty cool. I think Ahmatt is at
odds though Deuezel's cool. He actually plays the music of
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his dad. But Amitt, I think is the eldest and
is literally trying to sue his brother to keep from
using his own name. He's kind of messed up. You
hate to see that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's like one of the most sensible name is actually
the biggest asshole. But speaking of names, what a what
a generic segue into a story that involves names. Sherman
attempted to explain the last voyage in her book, the
Last Voyage of the Hume.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, and you know, in the last Voyage of the Hume,
they had that other boat, the Rouse Simmons, going with them.
The weather turned ugly and the Simmons made their way
back to Chicago. The Hume weathered it on alone and
disappeared again. People still will tell you that this Homus
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Hume was discovered at the bottom of the lake in
two thousand and six. And the creepy thing is to
the point about water log and decay in a maritime environment.
The creepy thing is the hume was still apparently in
your perfect condition.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Whoa, perhaps it was surrounded by one of those atlantis
bubbles that we hear so much about.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh yeah, I hear about them all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Thing moving on to that spooky that one is like that,
that's sort of like the twist at the end of
a little short horror story. And after all that time,
it was a near perfect condition, and then her head.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Fell off and they found the hook on the side
of the door in the morning. There's a weird moment though, right. Yes,
there's something about this tragedy with the Thomas Hume that
inspires people in the shoreline communities to say, hey, maybe
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there's something up, Maybe there's something wrong with the water,
and sailors then and now, always being somewhat of a
superstitious lot, start to think it's bad luck, and bystanders
are paying more and more attention to the vessels on
the horizon. Yeah, you're right, Ben, Each one of these
stories has a little of that. I would say the
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Hume most so, but each one of these has some
little little off detail that's kind of makes you makes
it easier for the mind to grasp that these are
in some way connected, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Case in point, the Rosa Bell. When the Thomas Hume,
which I believe would we could say was the most
famous thus far of these disappearances, when it disappeared, people
really started to wonder what was going on. Like you said, Ben,
people were really starting to make these connections and think,
is there something amiss here? Is there some you know,
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malevolent forest at play? Because by this point, Ben, wouldn't
the idea of the Bermuda Triangle have been kind of known?
Was it that like a like a sailor's tale as well,
or was that a little more modern?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I think I want to say it was a little
bit more modern as an urban legend. I think the
first story about the Bermuda Triangle comes along in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Okay, wow, So in a weird way, the Michigan Triangle
kind of pre dates the Bermuda Triangle in terms of
its sort of like regional status or whatever. And again
I did not know about the story until Research Associates
extraordinary Jeff Bartlett brought it to our attention. Whereas you
hear about the Bermuda Triangle all the time, probably more
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bad low budget movies about the Bermuda Triangle than made
than we care to count. But the Rosa Bella. The
turn of the century we start to see some other
strange events, and the first of which we're going to
talk about now involving this ship called the Rosa bell
Bella Bell at b E l E in nineteen twenty one.
We've got eleven folks who are aboard this ship, all
(21:38):
members of the Benton Harbor House of David. Is that
like a church? What are we talking? What is the
Benton Harbor House of David. That's a wild name for
an organization.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It is a commune. Oh, it's a religious group which
is still around today. It was founded by Benjamin Pernell
Benjamin and Mary Pernell.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Very Michigan centric. So now we basically kind of have
a cult involved. Huh, why not? You know, let's just
put in for good measure. So all twelve members of
this commune disappeared and their ship was found Wait, let's
let's get back into nautical terms. What is foundered mean?
(22:23):
Doesn't that mean that the ship has as capsized?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Cap size is capsized? Foundered is floundered? Foundered? No, it's
a nautical term. It means for a ship to fill
with water and sink sixth drowned when the yacht foundered
off the Florida coast. Sorry, I'm just getting into trying
to use as many silly, obscure nomical terms.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You said, Florida coast.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, No, that was in the definition. Oh, I was
just reading the example that the dictionary gave.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
They just can't grasp that something would founder off the
coast of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That's weird, right, but it did. But again to your
previous point, Max, you really do have to think of
these bodies of water more like oceans with their own
kind of machinations, right ben Well.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Flounder also means to struggle or stagger. Cumsley and water
and the Rose bel It's interesting the Roosevelt did not sink.
It was found overturned. It was foundered overturned floating in
Lake Michigan, but not the way the shipbuilders designed it
to float. The ship was apparently damaged in a collision
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with something, which ties in, by the way, with cryptid legends,
but no other ship reported a collision, No other remains
had been found, and a lot of people in the
area said that's nuts because the Rose of Bell had
been rebuilt after an earlier mishap in the eighteen hundreds,
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very similar to this one.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Again Superstit sort of a ship of thesis kind of quandary,
not really just just in that it's a ship and
there's some rebuilding involved, but I mean it's not offally
every piece had not been changed out by this point.
That's the famous thought experiment. Another fun nautical term that
just came to mind is listed. When a ship lists,
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that means it takes on water and leans over to
one side. So that's basically what the what the what
the ship was doing here? And to your point, Ben,
this is kind of the little spooky story twist, right,
the idea that the ship had been rebuilt after a
previous wreck that was very similar to that other one.
That is sort of the little twist that makes this
(24:42):
fit kind of you know what I mean, Like there's
gotta be some little extra ghostbusters e clue in each
of these. There wasn't any evidence as to what may
have caused the shipwreck, and it was very mysterious as
to what happens to every single soul on board, right,
It's almost like they were pressed to digitated, you know,
(25:04):
into another realm. But again, this wasn't in the days
of like, you know, underwater drones and the ability to
do such an exhaustive search. So that also, I think
figures somewhat into not being able to find all of
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and the coastguard said it's a mystery. The eleven
crew members, again from the commune, were never found. So
what if it's more than just shipwrecks. We'll just fast
forward a little bit to a guy named Captain George R.
Donner in nineteen thirty seven. Is he related to the
(25:41):
daughter party? Honestly, I haven't checked as a banging party.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I was gonna say he's a related to George R. R. Martin,
but uh, you know, I certainly.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Got one R though. Man, that's an absurd question. Ben's
question was at least reasonable. You think everyone with an
R for a middle name and George is related? Sorry, Max,
I didn't mean to be so harsh on you. I
love you. Are you turning away from me? He made
the heart figure, he made the heart sign. All is well,
he's just giving me the silent treatment. Yeah. Nineteen thirty seven,
(26:13):
George R. Donner on the O. M. McFarland sailing through
as we mentioned, very very icy, icy conditions in the
Great Lakes. You know, even in the best of times,
that water's damn cold. But you know, if you're battling
icy conditions, this is like Titanic kind of you know situation.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And he's not the youngest of men. Captain Donner is
fifty eight years old. He's already had a heck of
a slog. The ship is sailing through the Lake Michigan triangle.
So he shuts the door to his cabin, you know,
maybe takes off his hat and says, I'm gonna crash
for a second. But he didn't mean it literally, because
(26:55):
a few hours later, the ship is drawing closer and
closer to Port Washington. The crew members are knocking on
the door. Captain, Captain Captain. No one answers. The door
locks from the inside. Eventually they break down the door
and they find the cabin is captainless. The entire ship searches,
(27:17):
they never find the guy. He is a ghost.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Holy cow, do you think he wanted to commit himself
to old Davy Jones's locker? Like he felt like it
has been a good run. You know, my home is
the sea.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Maybe maybe he was like, fifty eight, this is my year.
I'm going to start a new life.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
This is like Midsommar rules. You know that I'm imposing
oh myself in my cult of one, my cult of
the mind. Crazy though, that's weird and like to your point, Ben,
it's not just about ships anymore. This is the kind
of stuff that you see dramatized in some of those
bad perm you to triangle type stories, you know, where
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people just vanish like it's some sort of you know,
piercing of the veil between two worlds, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
That would be some of the more supernatural or paranoris
arguments for this. The Lake Michigan Triangle, as we mentioned
at the top, has also apparently claimed an aircraft. Northwest
Airline flight twenty five oh one disappeared in June of
nineteen fifty. Maybe let's dive into the details there.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
That's right, June twenty third, to be precise, nineteen fifty
Northwest Airlines Flight twenty five oh one. Guarantee, my brother,
this is some lost inspo right here.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's flying from New York City to Seattle with fifty
eight people on board over the Lake Michigan Triangle. Captain
of the ship, Robert Lynde, calls in to ask for
permission to you know, make their descent or actually make
us Pacific descent twenty five hundred feet because of a
bad electrical storm in some high winds. But he's denied.
(29:06):
WHOA why would he be denied? That seems like a
crappy thing to do. He's trying to be safe. Maybybe
it was a matter of air traffic and they gave
him some other option. But apparently then communications are severed.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah. Look, we know being an air traffic controller is
an incredibly difficult and stressful job. But it stood out
to me as well. Man, the idea that you could
just say nah, like, hey, stay the course, you're good.
Our planes crashy, Nah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Just fly right into that sucker. He'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You've got it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You've trained, you've trained your whole career for this.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
But seriously, man, does this not feel like the plot
of Lost?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It does?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Don't find They don't find the plane.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's a Michigan or version thereof for sure, and there's
a there's this huge search. This is the nineteen fifties, right,
So it's not the same. Is when a wooden schooner disappears,
they drag Lake Michigan for wreckage, as in physically dragged,
not like Twitter drag, and they don't find anything for days.
(30:10):
Human remains are washing up on the shore, but the
plane itself is gone. And this is where we have
to ask ourselves. Right, if human remains are washing up,
then that does mean the plane crashed, right, because the
plane would have to crack open, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh yeah, those things are like hermetically sealed. You know,
speaking of which, not to derealist too much, but did
you hear about that flight from Atlanta to Guy Barcelona
kept pooping all the way to pooping? Well, the thing
that I didn't realize that I thought was so interesting
about that is apparently when someone is having explosive diarrhea
in a shared air hermetically sealed environment, it's considered a biohazard.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It is you're tasting that, That's what smell is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I tried to incept Matt Frederick into talking about that
on Strange News yesterday. I told I told Ben that
before the corner, But I tried to incept Matt, and
unfortunately I'm not very good at any take.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Matt's also like a steel trap man. That guy can't
be incepted.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
True, very true. I should have tried it one of y'all.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But well, it obviously worked on me, it did whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Maybe I also like to talk about airplane poop with
an article Advice that references it posed the question of
what about those people that took a very strong sleeping
pill thinking they'd wake up in Barcelona and then woke
up bay back in Atlanta and then be having to
tiptoe around poop flowing. I don't know. I want to
know more details about the center.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I was talking to my friend Meredith about that and
also going to see the Postal Service concert next month
in Seattle, and I sent her a recycled air I'm like,
this song means a very different thing right now to me.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, also, I've you know, guys, I've been on a
lot of flights in a lot of different situations. The
I get get into them, you just do, man. Well,
I got yeah, right right. So I I'm pretty close
with the Delta community behind the scenes, and this has
been the talk of the town, right It's the talk
(32:10):
of the talk of the skies. And I would just
want to practice an exercise empathy here. No, very few
people purposely get explosive diarrhea. Very few people want that
to happen. So if you're hearing this, hope your butt's okay. Man,
you know you will live to fly another day.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh. One person, God, that person isn't being docked by name.
Can you imagine if that was in the papers? Oh,
your life would be over and.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
He had nothing to do but run for president at
that point. Yeah, it's typic canoe and skypoop two. Right,
So there's also oh wait, this might be a different
story for another day, but Louis Armstrong was a guy
who did enjoy explosive diarrhea. He was a laxative salesman. Oh,
(33:00):
in addition to being a celebrity. Yeah, okay, anyway, that
has nothing to do with Lake Michigan. Hopefully people are
pooping in it. They don't.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh, they certainly are.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I know, I know, hopefully though better angels. As we
said the previous show, there is a search every year
for flight twenty five oh one. It is funded by
Clive Cussler, the famous, the famous thriller novelist, and the
Michigan Shipwreck Research associates.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Clive Custler famously into nautical exploration and stuff too. Remember
we spoke to that I always forget her dang name,
Rachel Lance. Rachel Lance about underwater explosions and specifically surrounding
what was the name of the vessel. The Clive Custler
basically also financed them digging up. It was like a
Civil War era, like weird sub and like the deaths
(33:54):
of those individuals due to like implosion basically, but the
Hunley HL only that was what we talked about, and
that's yeah, that's very much a Custler thing.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And then because this is folklore, right, the Lake Michigan
Triangle is urban legend. It is folklore. That's why you
hear stories that come out after the fact, like history
Daily dot org reports to police officers about two hours
after the flight disappeared, they report seeing a red light
(34:28):
hovering above Lake Michigan for ten minutes. Is that true?
There's no way to know.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, But it's the kind of things that we see,
you know, in the obviously on our other show stuff.
They don't want you to know. This type of lore
always finds a way to incorporate, like extraterrestrials, you know,
like it's it's an abduction site. There's some perfect alignment
that this is like this, you know, like perfect storm
spot for being abducted.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And there are many, many more examples. But while we
are on our paranormal stuff, they don't want you to
know vibe. Let's lean into it, as they say in
corporate America, let's learn more about the strange lights. Let's
learn more about the spooky stuff. Let's take a peek
under the kimono. Oh no, no, kimono. It's so bad.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
God, We've been around enough leadership type changes and corporate
folk to you know, we could fill a couple of
mole scheme notebooks with these douchey corporate sayings. They're all
delightfully cringey. But yeah, it's true. Ben, you make a
great point in what we discussed earlier absolutely holds true
in this situation. There are many other reports like what
(35:42):
you heard from those police officers. Reports are strange lights hovering,
you know, crafts supernatural goings on. Right, we also heard
some folks reporting odd and sudden changes in the weather.
Max pointed out earlier that Lake Michigan is big enough
to have its own kind of micro weather, like you know,
(36:05):
waves and stuff like that in storms. But even this,
this is outside of the norm. For that, the idea
of rogue waves, which are like out of nowhere, very
powerful and damaging waves, and then like crazy weather phenomenons
or anomalies, really they just kind of pop up out
of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, people, you can find countless tales of people claiming
to see strange lights in the sky at night, claiming
maybe their compasses or other electromagnetically sensitive instruments aren't working.
And of course, just like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll find
people who say there is some sort of portal through time,
(36:45):
through space, through dimensions. At this point, none of that
is proved, but it is true for the average person.
The weather on the lake is strange in that triangle area. Now,
is that because there are Eldrich love Craftian forces at play,
(37:07):
or is that because weather is difficult to predict and
most people on the surface of the ocean or this
case in inland sea don't understand it. Max, I love
your head shakes right now. You go on, Yeah, you're
going Eldrich monster.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeap, Okay, I want it, I want it. So bad, y'all.
I want that more than I want extraterrestrials. Give me
Cuthulhu all day. Loah, yog shabab, whatever the f What
do they say, man if Tak, Yeah, that's the one.
By the way, I know this was occurring to me
in terms of like thinking about the ecosystem that is
(37:43):
Lake Michigan, just in particular. It is two hundred and
seventy nine feet in depth average, but there are points
of it that can go as deep as nine hundred
and twenty five feet. That's deep. I mean, it's not
like you know, deep sea exploration deep, but for a
freaking lake, that's that's intensely deep.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Agreed. Yeah, especially considering that once again, human beings are
not made to be under the water, right.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So this they kind of go pop. Yeah, they go
too deep.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Mm hmm. Yeah, they pop and then they flop and
they may be jetsam or flotsam as a result. So
there's also there's something that I do think has a
little bit of sand the idea that there are ancient structures, yes,
beneath the water brought up the depths yea, because it's
it's completely plausible given the rise and fall of the
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water level over time. We know that the human world
is littered with under sea ruins. It's just do they
have some sort of special powers.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, right, things like the Lost City of Atlantis for example.
That's why I mentioned the Atlantis bubble earlier, because that's
when you start getting into that kind of stuff. You know,
we were talking about mysterious goings on and then we're
starting to talk about ancient structures of a stone enge nature.
But like you know, under the water. But there have
been some unusual structures or I guess rock formations found
(39:14):
at the bottom of Lake Michigan, and for a long time,
researchers kind of kept them lit on it because they
did your point, Ben, They a didn't want a bunch
of like Yahoo's diving down in there trying to you know,
check them out and ended up getting trapped or killed
or whatever. And b didn't want them to disrupt you know,
what was ultimately a scene of research, a place where
(39:37):
they wanted to be able to keep things intact.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
M absolutely, and we all know how it goes when
people are working on science. A publisher report that says,
maybe with these a million caveats, this thing might be
a possibility you can consider next thing. You know, there's
an alarmist, breathless headline all over social media that says,
(40:01):
this guy has a degree, and he says the stone
hinge is made by alien fish and they live in
Lockness and they live in Lake Michigan, and they freaking
hate wooden.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Boats and they get it on like rabbits. Don't know
why I felt it't they need to add that detail.
But this rock formation, though, is described as being a
forty foot ring of ancient stones that's around fifty feet
under the surface of Lake Michigan. And apparently one of
the stones has what appears to be a carving of
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a mastodon, which is an animal that only existed or
that went extinct rather in the Ice Age about ten
thousand years ago.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, so I mean this is just this was taught
from early on. Is that, like you know, Michigan is
a very flat state, Like you know, Georgia is a
very hilly mistake right next to Appalachians. Obviously northern parts
are in the Appalations. Michigan got flattened out by the
glaciers from the from the last Great Ice Age, and
the Great Lakes were dug from the right, So this
(41:01):
all kind of tracks. Look, you know, stuff dating back
to like the Ice Age now at the bottom of
a lake, because that's all from ice Age time period.
So you know, I believe in it. There's fish that
repopulate like rabbits that hate all of us, that are
aliens down there.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I've been yeah, vioally, yeah, you know, we got there.
We got there. We also can't wait to go visit
that I missed the Great Lakes. We can't wait to
go visit ourselves and folks, we see in this exploration
not just a series of tragedies in this one area,
but we see a cultural attempt to explain those tragedies
(41:39):
all together in a larger theory. This makes us want
to shout out a recent episode we did on stuff
they don't want you to know. Read in my mind,
how to build an urban legend.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
It's a lot easier than you might think, and is
absolutely you can either say, aided or exacerbated by the
Internet like this our modern times in the game of
telephone that is social media communications. And to a previous
point we made just about how easy it is to
just have something out there, attach the name of a
(42:13):
person of note and then all of a sudden, people
are reposting it as fact.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Keanu Reeves says Lake Michigan is dangerous because of the aliens. Yeah,
one thousand people in thirty seconds will go. I don't know.
I believe him, though he seems right.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
He was in the Matrix and then he was John Wick.
I mean he's been the two greatest heroes of all time.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
All right, Well, I think the John Wick movies are wonderful.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
I love him, they really are. I love him, I
love them. But also I love Pacific Rims, so I
might not be the best.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Joe Pacific rim I like the first one. We've talked
about this, I think we're in agreement.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
He was also the quarterback in The Replacements, which is
a very funny movie with Gene Hackman in it.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
He also knows where the Bostard sleeps in Francis Ford, Coplas.
So with that, while we're waiting for Kiatu to confirm
his own experiences with Lake Michigan.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, oh it just last thing. Speaking of made in voyages,
have you guys seen anything about or have any interest
in the voyage of the Demeter, which is like origin story? Yeah? Yeah,
apparently not very good. I do like the idea of it,
but apparently it's just like a basically a slasher movie
on a boat. Fine with our with our guy the
(43:28):
Onion Night from from Game of Throne, So I think
we all.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Have a bit of a soft spot for of course, finally,
and we want to learn more of these stories. There
is again a lot we didn't get to in this one.
So if you would like to delve into the story
the Lake Michigan Triangle, then why not join us for
an upcoming clip show. What are we calling it? Guys? Stuff,
(43:52):
we lost stuff, we forgot, stuff that got left over,
stuff that got left over. In the meantime, we hope
you are having a wonderful week a wonderful weeknd. We
will be on the way back very soon, as as
we gave an earlier shout out. If you live out
Las Vegas Way, let us know.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, let's do a meet a meetup? Is that what
they call him?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yes, do one of those we can have. We can
have a fear and loathing type experience. We go to
circus circus and I'm just kidding. We don't do things
like that, but we would love to see you if
you're out there there, we'll we'll give you some more
details around the actual live events and how you can
get into that. But help. Yeah, let us know if
you're around.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm excited about seeing the Hoover Dam in person, and
let us know if the Hoover Dam's worth the trip.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
He's not kidding. Yeah, he's been talking about it a lot,
and I feel the energy and the love.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It'll be an episode at the very least. Thank you,
as always to our super producer, mister Max Williams. Williams Williams,
our official michigand er Gander Gander, How we do, Max,
How we do on this week?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
A resounding, a resounding uproarious cosa from Max Michigan Williams,
Max the sturdy sailor of strong.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Michigan stock.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
There we go. Thanks also to Alex Williams to composed
our track, Chris vossi Otis East, jeffco Here in Spirit,
Jonathan Strickland, the hidden structure at the bottom of our
own lake or the mastadon bones out of fool work?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, whatever the hieroglyph on our mystical rock structure. Now
that sounds too positive. We'll work shop this and thanks
to you know ah YouTube brother. See you next time, folks.
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