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June 27, 2024 37 mins

As Popeye's popularity continued to skyrocket through the Great Depression and the second World War, his pantheon of related characters only grew. And, spoiler: not all of the characters aged well. In the second part of this special two-part episode, Ben, Noel and Max explore how Popeye created a surprising amount of American slang, became a propaganda tool for the allies, and finally answer the question: Does Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen have anything to do with Popeye the Sailor Man?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

(00:27):
the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
for tuning in. This is part two to two of
our Ridiculous History of Popeye the Sailor.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, the Sailor, the sailor Man, the sailorman. You know,
he's a seeming if you must. If pop I ever
sing any.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Abba covers, yes, you're correct. He did Dancing Queen primarily.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh yeah, of course no.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
But you know, like we like talking about sea shanties
and stuff like, is there any parts we.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Have like that's sort of the lead in, but.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yes, sometimes toots out of his pipe, like yes, he
absolutely toots out of his pipe.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's how that's just the song goes, it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's you know, it was like Stan Hugill, like who
is We had a little second about like who's like
the father of them of the sea shanty He checked
them all out. He's around the exact same time period
as Popeye.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Also, that's our super producer, mister Max Williams. I've been
bullied you are, mister Nole Brown. We do have one
thing in part two of this before we go in
that we have to clear up we promised you at
the end of episode one. Popeye's Chicken, a famous fast
food franchise here in the US, is not named after

(01:52):
Popeye the Sailor. At least that's what they say. According
to Alvin C. Copeland, who founded Popeye's Chicken and Biscuit
to New Orleans, he chose the name Popeyes as a
tribute to his own childhood nickname, so in his estimation,
these are unrelated.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It is true.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
I do feel like at the time there was a time,
I want to say, where there was a little crossover
branding between Popeye's Chicken and Popeye the Sailor, and then
I think it went away.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oof.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I wish I have more information about that. That might
be a topic unto itself. Because Popeye's Chicken, I will
I will say, I think is maybe it wasn't always
this way in the great you know, franchise fast food
chicken joint wars of this our modern era, but I
think is the best of the fast food fried chicken joints.

(02:47):
So if you'll recall they made a huge splash with
their spicy chicken sandwich. Remember when people were like clawing
each other's eyes out to get those things.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It even made it on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, it
just turns out fried chicken taste Stephen better without homophobia.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's also true. Wait a minute, what chick fil A?
Oh sorry, yeah, it's true. It's true.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
But man, I had some people, some friends and loved
ones who were very much in the queer community, who
were like, no, it's too good.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
The chicken is just too good.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I got, I gotta get.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I don't give him a pass, but I will give them.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Talked about this off air. I had a at a
situation with a lot of my because you know, I
did sketch comedy in theater for many years and one
of my very best friends, uh, he told me to
I caught him eating Chick fil A in his car
one time, and he told me that the secret had
to die with us because his husband could never know.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
So so I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Not gonna name names, but my friend, if you were
listening to the show, first thank you, and secondly, just
be honest with the guy, you know, just let him
know that you like the forbidden chicken.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
There's an sn L sketch from a number of years
ago now, but it's a pride sketch and In part
of it, they all get incredibly drunk at a Pride
festival and then go eat chick fil.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
A really quickly.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Though Popeye another famous Popeye people don't often think of
Popeye Doyle, the character played by Gene Hackman in The
French Connection, which is an incredible film.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
You should go watch it right now.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's one of the great nineteen seventies kind of detective films,
directed by.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
The guy that did The Exorcists. What's that Dude's name
is totally escaping.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Me now, But anyway, I'm reading now on the Popeye
dot fandom dot com that Popeye's Chicken and Biscuits later
changed the name to Popeye's. Louisiana Chicken was found in
nineteen seventy two and named after inspired by Popeye Doyle,
the protagonists from The French Connection. They did later hook
up with King Features Syndicate to license when they were

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a local chain before they gone international, to license some
of that imagery, and they even sponsored a local Popeye
television show in New Orleans, Louisiana, But in two thousand
and six that partnership ended. So if you're having a
mandala effect situation where like I swear Popeye's Chicken was

(05:19):
related to Popeyes.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was, my friends, it was until it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
In retrospect though, because again the official explanation from Popeye's
Chicken is that the founder Copeland used as his street name.
But already we're seeing the modern mythology a million percent.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I'm just reading off of this fandom body, But I
do the point the part of this that I know
to be true is that relationship with the licensing. I now,
it existed, and then it ended, and it ended as
recently as two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Ed Here is part two of our episode on the
Ridiculous history of Popeye.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
You know, I grew up watching a lot of these cartoons,
early Disney cartoons and Popeye on reruns that my parents
recorded off TV on VHS. I had no sense of
the history of it at the time. To me, it
was just cartoons, you know what I mean. It was like,
That's what it was. It was fun, and I distinctly
remember this one called Popeye the Sailor Man meets Ali

(06:22):
Baba's Forty Thieves.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I remember that nineteen thirty seven.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, doesn't hold up to a sensitivity scrutiny. I would
argue and please, I'm just quoting from a thing that's
always stuck with me. But there was a lot of
like open sesame and sort of weirdly fetishization.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Of like you know arab called Arabic court. Yes that's
the word.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
But I just remember there's one character, it was like
a one off character, like a snake charmer or something,
and a market and he goes.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Salameh, salameh blogne Just yeah, that's with me, man, And
I guess I still think it's kind of funny, and
I think maybe.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
We gets a little bits.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
I don't care for it when we do revisionism for
things that are artifacts of the time, unless they're just
egregiously offensive, which I don't think anything in this was
egregiously offensive. Is maybe a little you know, like you said, orientalism,
like the kind of idea of like exoticizing overly exoticizing
you know, actual facts culture for the purposes of a cartoon.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then there is still you know, it's stuff will
explore in a later episode on the Ottoman Empire, but
there there was a lot of that at the time.
To your point, it was quite common in the world
of fiction.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Much worse offenders even than Popeye.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Like, yeah, some of the Looney Tunes, bugs, bunny stuff,
the way they depicted like indigenous African cultures like having
bad news.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
And just like the Ravens and so many Disney cartoonsters.
There's a lot. There's a lot there.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
And can I ask you a bit, how do you
feel about folks going back and editing that stuff out?
I just feel like if you don't learn from history
and the attitudes of history, Like, isn't that sort of
a bit foolish, a bit shortsighted, Like the idea of
going back.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
And editing Roll Doll's books.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
To remove any problematic or fat shaming language or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I just I find that.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
To be a little PC culture run a muck. I'm
not trying to soapbox here, but I'm interested in your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah. Another similar comparison would be the original title of
Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians, which it was not originally
that Uh yeah, I would argue the best way to
address that is to have both versions exist. You don't
try to erase things from history, because to your point,

(08:50):
that will just lead to people repeating some iteration of
the original sin. So I think what we do is
we have or at least as civilization as the original,
unedited one unrevised a warts and all, and then the
second one, which is maybe the one the kids see,
you know what I mean, when they when they're first

(09:12):
getting into books or films or things like that.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I agree, But then it's the kind.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Then the other version is the one you maybe teach
in uh in a college class, you know, about the
nature of changing attitudes and changing ideas and depictions of
things throughout history.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
And then uh, we've got goons goon as a good
squad in town be beeper, should I say?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
There we go?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, that didn't originate with Popeye, but they did have
a goon family, which is why we mentioned the X
Files episode Home Bro.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Wouldn't that be a good name for a wrap crew?
Goon FAM's god.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Got so good, especially with the new parlance of what
gooning has become in.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh let's see, Uh, oh, goon.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Squad man, that's the goon fam or goon squad.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Uh, goon squad surely is taken, but goon fam might
be available.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, all right, well let us know. Sorry, it's tough
because urban dictionaries taken over a lot of the the
casual research we could do.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
We are there is there is a SoundCloud registered to
goon fam. But like every time I Google a band,
I'm working on a project right now, I'm trying to
name I Google an idea. I have registered to a
single SoundCloud with two followers, and I'm like, does that
even count?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's the same with us looking up new podcast titles.
It's very annoying.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Oh yeah, Uh. Speaking of annoying, I always found Sweepy annoying,
just as spelling. It's sweet pee, but it's spelled s
w e E apostrophe pe.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Because he's a widow sweepy baby, but he's also a
widow sweetpe.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh, I get it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I don't like it, but I understand it.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's a dubloonte So it's.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
July twenty fourth, nineteen thirty three. Sweepye is a foundling
infant who's literally left on Popeye's front door step.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, classic orphans, the abandoned, you know, babe in the
in the baskets and all of that stuff, right.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, And he was like, just like Popeye, he was
a minor character when he was first introduced, but he
becomes increasingly important and just like his adoptive father, he's
got skills. You know, he can fight.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
He sort of popeyees scrappy to Scooby, kind of racow,
you know, and he and he and boy, he likes
to fight. I guess his father just gets him hopped
up on the spinach from an early age, you know.
But now that we're talking about the spinach angle, I imagine,
I mean, of course this is obvious. The spinach industry
must have loved that because the implication there is like

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eat your vegetables and you'll be able to.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Kick ass, you know, like Popeye.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
So him feed the baby these like green amphetamines, getting
them all hopped up and jacked so you can punch
bad guys.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Totally acceptable message for kids.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes, exactly right. And this this is interesting. I'm glad
you brought this up because one of my initial questions
was that Popeye was maybe or maybe secret was paid.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
To by spinach lobby.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, like that's what I suspected, But that doesn't appear
to be the case. It looks like that's a secret creation.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, because I mean it was realized if it was
gonna be like that, then maybe it would have been
something more like you know, Hydrox cookies or something like
more a specific branded thing. I mean, I don't think,
you know, necessarily he was as a creator, was thinking
about the industry, you know when he did it, because
like many creators too, it's like he's not necessarily seeing

(12:58):
the big picture of how this is going to absolutely
infiltrate every aspect of American life and culture and and
have statues built in Popeye's honor godlike in the spinach fields.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, I think we know it probably came about
because there was a common misconception about the iron content
of spinach around that time, and so it was seen
as a superfood, you know, the same way that the
British government propagated this idea that carrots were really good
for your eyesight.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
M So.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
But that being said, though, both spinach and carrots are
pretty super foods. I mean, like, you know, they've got
a lot of good nutrients. They're very dense and nutrients,
and people like to put spinach in like a smoothie
or whatever, and and carrots do have a lot of
vitamin C and et cetera.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
They're good for you yeah, they're not. They're not bad
for you, but there's a whole to view you with
magic bowers. Right, I have one one slight soapbox a
complaint for the part it's of ridiculous history. I think
spinach is incredibly misleading when you buy it. If you're
going to make anything other than a spinach salad, you

(14:09):
need to buy like four times as much. Yeah, because
it's just it's basically one cooked leaf in each bag.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
I mean, yeah, it is the saddest thing if you're
not aware of this and you think I'm gonna prepare
a spinach fee from looking at this giant bag.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Of spinach and you cook it down and it's like,
where did it all go? It's all water. It's all
just full of water. Once you cook the water out,
we will to you.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Really do need no joke about four x the amount
you might think of how much? But boy do I
love sawds hanging spinach with a little salt and pepper
and some garlic. I think it's wonderful, really delightful flavor. Yeah,
don't care for it. Raw though not my thing. Don't
really like a spinach salad. I like in arugula salad,
but not so much, spinach.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'll deal with it in a you know, make a
little Mediterranean drop some Feta in there, you know, meta
meta feta. We know that there is one more key
character of the pantheon. We much yeah, you too. He

(15:16):
is the adversary. He is the yin to the Yang
of Popeye. He becomes a recurring. Originally he is just
you know, like a battie. He could be a Monster
of the week. He's always creepily after olive oil. But
he becomes famous and his role in the pantheon is

(15:37):
cemented because of his prominence in those cartoons, the Fleisher
cartoons you mentioned earlier.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And much like what happened when the Simpsons ran out
of ideas. No, no, not too much shade on the Simpsons.
I love the Simpsons. They had occupy really span. Honestly
think they've kind of come back a little bit in
recent years, like what I've seen. But remember how for
the longest time, like they would just do like here
here's the Simpsons, but like as Harry Potter, you know,

(16:06):
in the Harry you know, they would do that with Popeye.
Like I mentioned the Ali Baba and the forty Thieves
and that cartoon, Blueto is Ali Baba.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Basically he's like.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Riding around swinging a scimitar, slightly brown skinned, a little
bit darker, little little darker than normal complexion. There's another
one that I'm actually, after we get off of this,
I'm gonna go on a YouTube rabbit hole because I
can't remember so many of these cartoons and I think
I'm gonna remember a lot more than I think I do.
But there was an Aladdin's Magic Lamp one where Popeye

(16:38):
is Aladdin.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So like, you know, they.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Insert these characters into other roles in other popular you know,
kind of pieces of literature that people would have been
aware of.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Kind of multiversal.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
It is a little multiversal, yeah. And then then there
certainly were the standard, you know, just.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
Domestic disputes, like Blueto basically just beats the out of
Popeye and he takes it and on the chin until
he takes no more, and then he pops that spinach
and goes to town.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
But that's the finale because only then do you get.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
You know, and then like usually there's some different animation
when he pops the spinach. I described one where his
little tiny little steamship on his bicep.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Pumps up to become this massive destroyer.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Sometimes you can get an animation of a factory on
the bicep.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
It zooms inside and then also there's like pistons pumping
and stuff, you know, and then it zooms back out
and then he just lets Bluedo have it.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And we all, at least here in the West, we
are all very aware of these Popeye tropes. It's so
widespread that you don't actually have had to see the
cartoon that's exactly right to know it right. And it's
kind of like I was talking with a friend of
the show about two thousand and one Space Odyssey. They

(18:02):
watched it for the first time, and they said, I
appreciate it, but it was kind of predictable. Yet the
only reason that's predictable, I call it the curse of
the classic. It's predictable because it's been derived or it
so many things derived from it.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, like the Matrix is a perfect example of that.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
You watch the Matrix now you're like, oh, they're using
that corny bullet time, but they invented that. That was
like the first time anyone had ever seen those three
sixty freeze frame. You know, levitating shots or whatever, and
then it just got ripped off Zack Snyder among other offenders.
And now when you go back and watch the original,

(18:41):
it looks played out and kind of like hacky. But
they're the It's sort of like watching Twilight Zone episodes
because they created, you know, so many of these tropes
that just get used to death, and when you watch
it it seems dated, but in fact it was prescient.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was incredibly ahead of its time.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Agreed, one hundred percent well said. And now as we're
approaching the end of the show, we got to tell you, folks,
there's a bit of a pickle here for astute, ridiculous storm.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
The ip of it all right.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yes, Segar passed away on October thirteenth, nineteen thirty eight.
He was not even ten years into the worldwide phenomenal
success of Popeye. The last strip he made published on
October second, nineteen thirty eight, and just eleven days after
he saw it in print, he died. And so after
his illness and his eventual passing, there was a cavalcade

(19:36):
of people who were hired to write and draw or
draw or write this strip.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
There were because the strips continuing as the cartoon. No,
or wait, did Seger die before the cartoon explosion? No?
I think he was still around for that, Okay, but
they were obviously this existed in so many formats. There
was the cartoon, the comic strips, there were comic books,
jundizing like think of anything that you can think of
for like a Mickey Mouse. This was more or less

(20:05):
at that same level of explosive popularity.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So they had to keep the train on the tracks
right right. They had a golden money machine.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, a golden a golden Caanta spinach, a golden whifflehn,
whatever the we golden jeep, a golden jeep, just so
jeep jeep. And first there's a guy named Tom Simms
who takes the helm and he was writing while he
was writing for the comic while Seger was alive. He

(20:36):
started Tom started writing in August of nineteen thirty eight.
He made some spinoffs of different things. And there's a
guy with a name. I think we'll all love a
guy whose real name was Doc Winner. Talk about nominative determinism.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Good on him.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, he'd worked for Secret between January and May of
nineteen thirty a and actually acted as Sims artist, with
Bella zeb taking over in December of nineteen thirty nine.
Then in fifty four, Sims past the torch of writing
on the daily strip to a guy named Ralph Stein,
who would continue to work with Zaboli until the daily

(21:18):
and Sunday strips were taken over by Bud Sagendorf, which
is about the most nineteen fifties name I can think of,
Bud Sagendorf.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
And speaking of funny names, of course there are other
There's already a wealth and ecosystem of different characters.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
You got to feed the universe at this point, right, right, So.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
They're bringing back just like the MCU Marvel Cinematic Universe
brought back the Avengers right and brought them to the
big screen. Sagendorf in particular is bringing back a lot
of obscure characters from the Popeye Pantheon. Popeye Pantheon exactly,
Folks like oje, what wa watas nozzle like what a nose?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah? Oh I see?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
And and of course who could forget the golden times
we spent with King Blows.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Oh find a SoundCloud?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah exactly?

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Thinking the same thing as like the next the latest
hyper pop you know, sensation King blows.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Oh uh.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then on January first, two thousand and nine, something
we alluded to a little bit earlier. Uh Seeger's comic
strips became public domain in most of the rest of
the world. They're still on they were still undercopyright in
the US at the time, but for the rest of
the world, you could do whatever you wish with the

(22:40):
comic strip version of Popeye, but the TV stuff, the films,
the theme music, other media that was Popeye but not
Popeye and comic strips that still had, you know, its
own complicated series of trademarks and IP rights.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's uh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I think it's a problematic part of the legal system
that we have here, especially when you can have giant
corporations like Disney actually put pressure on the government to
allow them to extend their copyrights.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know, that's what happened with the Mouse.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
The mouse, and I hope you can hear the capital
M when we say that, folks, we know that we
know that King Features, the syndicate we mentioned earlier still
has trademark rights through some derivative or another over Popeye.
Because trademarks don't expire unless they cease to be used,

(23:40):
and it's sort of like it's the reason why Sony
will always put out another Spider Man film.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, or there's a name for it. I think we
talked about this, like in the hell Raiser franchise. I
forget who it was, but some company owned the rights
to the hell Raiser stuff, and in order to continue
to maintain control over those rice, they have to release
something even if it sucks.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And they call those Ashcan movies.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
That's right, And I don't remember exactly where the terms
derived from, but there are a handful of these, Like
I mean, a lot of the direct to video Hell
Raiser movies are quite awful. I would argue maybe only
one through three, and the new one I thought was
pretty badass. But there's a whole stretch of real stinky
Hell Raiser movies. There's a couple that are like porn

(24:27):
b grade bad. You know, the makeup is bad. But
they literally released it just so they could maintain control
over that intellectual property.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
And Clive Barker had no inputs, no, nor we.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Sold the rights way to that long ago.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, and he's pretty upfront about that in interviews. Yeah,
but also Clive Barker, amazing writer, one of the best.
If you're listening and you have teenage kids, one of
the best young adult books in the language is The
Thief of Always.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
It's men magically meaningful book to me growing up, beautiful illustrations.
It's just I think Clive Barker and Neil Gaiman are
kind of cut from the same cloth too as well.
Like to me, like Thief of Always is a very
Neil Gayman esque type story.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I think it's.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
So so, so so good, and you know, you could
sit make it a movie like American Gods could be
called a Clive Barker.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Esque That's what I mean. Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I hope they like each other, man, I hope they're
cool with each other.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
They like such a great they are. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I don't know what made it seems like they should
collabor something, because they really do have a similar sensibility.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
But oh I did sorry, did you real estately? I
did hear that? You know?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Henry Seleek, who the amazing stop motion Animatory and Coraline
and Christmas. His new movie is supposedly going to be
an adaptation of Neil Gaiman's The ocean at the end
of the lane or the ocean, sorry, the ocean at
the end of the universe.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Of things I'm in.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, it's it's essentially a spiritual successor to Coral. And
the book was awesome and Henry Selick rules and I.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Love it when he does Neil game and stuff, so
look forward to see that.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
But Ocean at the end of the laying, that's one awesome.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
We've got just.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
A couple of things that we need to let you
know about Popeye, folks. We said there were a lot
of characters. They were well over one hundred and fifty
individuals and groups. A lot of them again are one shots,
meaning they show up Monster the Week style and then
they never appear again. We do have to note not
all of these aged well, especially when you're looking at

(26:38):
stuff that involves the African continent or you know, the
World War two propaganda pretty offensive against Japanese people. You
can find these on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
You can, you know, picture the grossest stereotype you can imagine,
and it's probably that very in line with the like
we were talking about earlier that Disney any propaganda films
featuring Donald Duck.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Like what is it called the Furor's face in the
furor's face, Oh yeah, you can find that.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
And you know, the the Walt Disney Corporation basically disowns
all of that stuff and doesn't talk about it and
doesn't display it in any of their historical representations or
you know whatever curates exhibitions exactly right. But and I
think I've mentioned on the show before, if you're ever
in the San Francisco area, highly recommend you check out

(27:30):
the Disney Family Museum, which is I think paid for
by like a trust left by Walt Disney, you know,
for his like his heirs, And that museum contains all
the crazy Disney propaganda stuff, the posters, clips, and also
a lot of prototypes for things that would would ultimately
become rides at Disneyland, the optical printer, a lot of

(27:52):
the technology that the Disney Corporation invented, you know, the
multiplane camera, the real deal, really really cool place.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Highly record and that even if you're not a Disney head.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And we also recommend partnering with agricultural products to make
your comic strip famous. Popeye cartoons were or actually just
sell your spinach. Popeye cartoons were so popular during the
Depression that sales of spinach increased by thirty three percent.
Just for a second, and we know how crazy and

(28:23):
ridiculous this sounds. Just for like a little bit of time.
During the Great Depression, spinach was the number three most
popular food for kids. The first was ice cream, the
second was turkey, the third was spinach. It was a weird,
weird time.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
That's very that does not track. Kids do not like spinach.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
It's not anymore well, and especially not anymore canned spinach.
I could see using it maybe in a frittata or something,
or using it as a cooking ingredient, but it just
weirds me out. I don't think I could just eat
spinach from a can. But also, you know, it was
lean times and you could stockpile these, you know, and

(29:05):
they would keep, so it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, but canned spinach is kind of depressing.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
It's really present.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's it looks like it's like eating wet tobacco or
something like.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, it's not really even when it's seasoned. Well, we'll
have an episode on artificial flavors later, but I like
caned spinach is how did we get here?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
A moment? Right? It's sort of like I was first
exposed to the vegetable of beats, the vegetable of beats
through canned beats that you would see.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
You know, around the holidays or whatever, these bright blood
red sliced monstrosities. And so I think I don't like beats.
Turns out, though, if you buy a beat with the
root on it and everything, and you cut off the stem,
wrap it in some tinfoil, season it with some salt
and pepper and some olive oil, and roasted in the oven,
it is an earthy, delightful, sumptuous treat for the palate

(30:01):
and the mind.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I hear you, man, It took me a long time.
I can eat beats now. It took me a long time, though,
because I had.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Olden beats, beats.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I don't talk about this often on air, but when
I was living pretty rough in Central America, I was
scarred by the same remo lachas like beats, canned beats
as we're talking about, because it was one of the
things I could afford to eat. It was a beat
salad and the taste of dirt. It was a how
why am I here? Kind of situation. But I may

(30:32):
I made peace with them, and this is not in
any way to cast dispersion upon the good, hard working
folks of Guatemala. It's just I never never want to
see a can beat again. I don't want to smell them.
I would rather eat actual dirt.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Oh, I agree, And then that's what I'm saying, is like,
I think the same is true of canned spinach. Somebody
might be exposed to spinach for the first time, getting
dumped out of a can on their plate, not realizing
that if you cook it down the real fresh kind,
it's a whole lot better culinary experience. And Ben, when
I have you over for dinner this summer, hopefully soon,
for a little cookout, I'm gonna make a roasted golden

(31:10):
beet salad with raspberries and arugula.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And uh and fresh goat cheese.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
And I'm telling you it's gonna it's gonna knock your
socks off.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Look forward to it. I trust you. You have me
at the cheese quite off.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, put cheese on anything. Its true.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
But Ben, do we have any fun little tidbits or
little nuggets that we've missed to wrap this baby up?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Oh gosh, we've got We've got a lot. And I
think we're gonna hear from our fellow listeners over on
our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians. Uh there is again. I
think what amazed all of us, Noel Max, myself and
hopefully you folks, is the sheer amount of influence that
this one comic strip or idea has had on American culture.

(31:53):
They invented jeep, that's nuts. They invented whimp Are you
kidding me?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
That's at least that's that's the that's that's the belief.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's hard with language like that, you know what I mean,
because it's it could have been a slang term that
was already being thrown around and they jumped on it,
but it was a little more niche perhaps, And then
you get a character like that that just spreads it
far and why And we know what Wimpy is. Yeah,
he's like Shaggy and Scooby Doo. He's he's he's busy
hiding in a corner eating eating sandwiches or in his case, hamburgers.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I thought you were gonna say Shaggy as in the
music Star.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yes, it was I love that, I would love I would.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Actually it wasn't me is the banger first? It's the
ten ten statement that Wimpy would make if he was
caught cheating.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Right, yeah, he also you know what, that's a good point.
But he also was kind of a bit.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Of a a guy that would cheat. I believe, in fact,
there are scenes where he cheats at cards. Maybe I'm
making that up, but I do feel like he was
a bit of a of a of a no good
nick kind of but not so not evil, just mischievous
and dishonest and kind of a sack of.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Shit, you know, Scamp. He's a scared.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
He's not doing murder, but he will probably do some
stamp fraud.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
He would do the thing where he'd like tie a
string around a dime and drop it in the payphone
and then pull it back out.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's the kind of win and fake stamps as well,
little mild stamp fraud, a little you know, you get
in situations, folks. We're having a lot of fun with this.
There's more to get to. As as said earlier, we're
going to go in our own YouTube rabbit holes because
I gotta rewatch forty thieves again, the Alibaba and Aladdin.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I'm gonna watch both of those back to back the
moment I get out of here.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm so excited because.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I distinctly remember. And they're long too, guys, Uh, longer
than you think. I mean, these were big productions like
the Disney shorts. These are twenty twenty five minutes sometimes,
so it's like, you know, they tell a tale, and we.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Hope you enjoyed exploring this tale with us. Big big
thanks to our super producer mister Max Williams at our
own composer. I love to say that, mister Alex Williams
and who else lots of.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
People and to just jump in here real quick. Special
shout out to our research associate for this episode, no
other than mister Ben Bolin.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Of course, he's Jeff Coaches.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Chris rossiotis here at Spirit, Jonathan Strickland, the quiz str a,
Jay bombas Jacob's the Puzzler, Max with the Facts with
or without usually with and Ben, you my friend? Uh
what am I am? I I'll be wimpy to your Popeye.
I think that's okay. Oh and I'll do that here.

(34:42):
I'll go gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger for
some ridiculous history.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Today we're gonna can be y'all's olive oil. Do you
bet you can't.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
By the way, I always thought that she was didn't
really do it for me, guys, you didn't quite understand
why the boys were following. Was she like the only
woman the deal nos of anybody type that I always got.
I found her to be animated, to be a little
let's just say homely.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, And I know exactly what you mean, because I
remember thinking that as well, reading these readings comics growing
up or seeing the cartoons, and it's like, come on, Popeye.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
You can do better.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
She's also kind of what's the flighty and like always
playing games, Like she's always kind of going for Blueto
until he like sexually assaults her.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, and it also, uh, look, not to disparage her character,
but I think she was designed or written this way.
She doesn't bring solutions to the table. She brings problems,
and that's not good for a relationship. I've thought about
this way too much.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
No, I found her to be a bit of a
toxic person. She didn't really bring much to the table.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I can't wait for the emails. Oh one time. By
the way, Popeye did force feed Spinach to Blueto so
that Blueto could finally beat the snot out of him,
and he could evoke sympathy from olive oil.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
So there's a toxic Yeah, but is already jacked? Man?
That guy's already like pounding all the muscle milks or whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
You know, did he even need that edge? You think
he already?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
He clearly had no problem, you know, kicking Popeye's butt
until Popeye, you know, like sucked down his magic leaves.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Anyway, Yes, you said, Ben, We could go on and on,
but we're wrapping up the show, aren't we.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yes, Yes, sir, a big shout out to our own
personal Blueto, which is, of course, can you guess?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Uh? I don't know. Jonathan Strickland is not really a
Blueto esque figure.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
We haven't seen him in a while.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
We don't know. Maybe he might have gotten jacked again.
Remember that, remember Jack Jonathan period. It was amazing man.
We'll see you next time, folks.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
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