January 22, 2020 • 30 mins
Flaxseeds and their oil (along with the plant’s inedible fibers) are considered one of the eight products that led early humans to create agriculture as we know it. Anney and Lauren weave together the history and science of flaxseed/linseed.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to save a protection of I Heart
Radio and stuff Media. I'm an Aeries and I'm Lauren Focalbaum,
and today we're talking about flax seed. Yes, and this
isn't part inspired by a mystery find in my cupboard
because I was cleaning it out and in the very
back I found a huge bag like thirty two ounces
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of whole flax seeds. Okay, recollection buying them? And you
don't you don't like keep food around? No, And that's
why I was searching through my cupboard is because my
friends always complain you don't have any snacks, And I,
very angrily and wrongfully, was like, yes I do, and
I was. And so you pulled out this heck of
thirty two ounce bag of flax seed and you were like,
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seed right, thirty two whole ounces flax seeds? Oh, no,
who you want? But then, as you can imagine, they
weren't convinced. They weren't very happy about this. So I
took to Google and was like, well, how can we
cook these? What snack can we make? And Google basically
returned It's complicated, which is not what you want at
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night snack suggestion. And so this is partly a selfish episode.
I want to know what to do with flax seeds,
but also I feel like they get swept up in
a lot of New Year's resolutions, the food trends exactly
exactly and um. For this particular episode, I feel like
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in some episodes we're on a zoo show or a
weird biological show. Absolutely, this one feels like a strange
fashion episode. It does. Yeah, I'm sort of wishing that
we had like hooked up with the ladies from Dress
and done a co flax episode. Reasons for which if
you are unaware of them, we will get to in
just a moment. I was unaware of them. I was too.
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But this brings us to our question flax seeds. What
are they? Well? Flax seed is the seed of an
annual flowering herbaceous meaning like soft and not woody plant
by the botanical name of Linum usa tassimum sure yeah um.
The plants grow about two or three feet tall up
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to about a meter and bear multiple stems that grow.
These are pretty usually blue flowers, and when pollinated, the
flower will develop into a seed capsule called a bowl
uh containing boll bowl containing four to ten like we
glossy brown seeds, and the seeds contain a lot of mucilage,
this expansive water activated like viscous, slimy, sticky stuff that
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would help protect the seeds and let them sprout in
dry conditions. UM and also a lot of oils oil
by weight. The seeds canna be used whole, usually toasted
to add like a nutty flavor and a crunchy texture
and a nutritive punch to dishes and baked goods. Um.
If it's a moist that mucilage will add some thickness
or or cohesion, like like when you cook with okra
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so or Instead of whole seeds, you can grind them
into a flower for a similar effect you can for
for all of those vegans and Maveterranians out there. You
can totally sub out an egg in recipes for a
tablespoon flax flower plus three tablespoons of water and it
works surprisingly well. Yeah yeah, um yeah or um. If
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you don't want to use the whole seeds or the flower,
you can just use the oils, or or you can
just use a gum made from the muslage and dried
out into like a white powder kind of situation, which
is really good for stabilizing emulsions like in a like
in a salad dressing, or for preventing baked goods from
going stale so quickly. Though it's more of a commercial
production ingredient than like a home ingredient most of the time. Yeah,
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not too many snack ideas so far. Yeah, well, I
mean you could bake them into granola or muffins, but
I would have to have those, Yes, you would have
to have those other things. Maybe my friends have a point.
You can totally just like toast like a like a
spoonful and just eat them. I could again not really
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like the most delicious look if they might stop being
my friends at that point. Name you offered as a
spoon full up flax seeds for their health, It is absent.
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Maybe no abs and no no um. Flock seeds are
sometimes also called linseeed. When the seeds are they're pressed
oils or the meal left over after you press out
the oils are going to animal feed or industrial use. Um.
And yeah that species name that I pronounced so readily
and well, um it means very useful in Latin because
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linseed oil is a great wood finish and paint component
because it dries rapidly and helps out waterproof surfaces. Um.
But it is used all over the place in linoleum, oilcloth, raincoats, tarps,
in the manufacture of soaps, and particle board in printer
ink um to preserve and protect concrete. But we do
not just use the seeds. Oh No. The stems of
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the plant contain these fibers that are long and soft
but tough, and it's what's used to make linen. Uh
huh um. And the fibers are Yeah, they're great for
both fabrics and paper. They've got a little bit of
a sheen to them. They're stronger than cotton or ray
on or wool, and they are used in everything from
clothes to canvas to currency to cigarette paper. Yeah. I
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feel like in a lot of articles ire they referenced
this old SNL skit that was about some product, and
it was they were arguing about it's floor cleaner, No,
it's dessert because it could be used for both and yeah,
huh yeah, Blacky, I don't remember that sketch, but I
love it. I had never seen it, but I enjoyed
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it excellent. Uh. The etymology of flax is argued, as
many etymologies are but but but in any case seems
to come from the use of the plant's fibers, either
from the proto Indo European root plick meaning to braid,
or from p like meaning to flays and to strip
the fibers to to prep them for weaving. Probably not
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anything darker than Okay, I'm not I mean, you know,
asked the proto Indo Europeans. I stayed up very late
playing a horror video games on my mind already, Like no, no, no,
not fla. Uh. Yeah, the flax is a is a
really hardy plant and it does well in temperate and
subtropical conditions and can be grown from seed to harvest
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in like three months. Yeah. A lot of different varieties
have been developed in response to differing growing conditions and
pests or diseases, and for optimal seeds versus optimal fibers. Yes,
makes sense, And let's talk about that nutrition. Okay, so um,
the seeds do contain a bunch of omega three fatty
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acids a k A good fats um, the same reason
that nutritionists are like, hey, you should eat some fish um,
but because these can help your body lower your bad
cholesterol levels and thus protect against various diseases, especially at
cardiovascular related conditions. By the way, if you've ever seen
high omega eggs in the store, chances are that they're
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high omega because the chickens are being fed flax seed.
Oh interesting, yeah, um, but yeah, they're also high in
protein and fiber. Got a good spattering of vitamins and minerals,
and all kinds of research is being done into the
potential benefits a flax seed. Um. Some of the compounds
it contains seem to have anti inflammatory effects, antioxidant effects,
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anti cancer effects, anti depression effects, anti diabetic effects, antimicrobial effects.
They may help prevent blood clots and irregular heart rhythms,
all kinds of things, all kinds of stuff, I mean
and like partially because it's just been an important fiber
and food crop for like a long time. Um. The
list of things that flex has been considered as a
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folk remedy for honestly reads like a comedy routine from
Pretty University, and in alphabetical order, quote lineum finds its
way into folk remedies for boils, bronchitis, burns, cancer, carbuncles,
cold conjectivitis, corns, coughs, diarrhea, gonorrhea, gout, inflammation, intoxication, labor, rheumatism,
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scaled sclerosis, sore spasm, swellings, tumor, warts, and whitlows. I
have no idea what that is, and I didn't look
it up. That's that does sound like snl on that,
But yeah, in general, bodies are complicated. More researches needed.
Talk with the medical professional before incorporating medicinal amounts of
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anything into your diet or routine. Eat what you like.
If you if you enjoy flax seed, put it in stuff,
Or if you find a mysterious thirty two ounce bag
and you're frue goal and you don't want to get
rid of it, look up some recipes and be adventurous.
Yeah maybe, I mean watch out because it can have
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a laxative effect from all of that, friends, Oh my god,
all of that mucilage in it can have a laxative effect.
So just you know, for seed with CAUs yes, now,
you could have turned up so much worse. I'm glad.
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I'm glad y'all kept it together. We did say we're
not eager to try the flax seed, which is all
I'm saying. I mean, you can really just order pizza,
like at a very late hour. It's true. I believe
that's what we did. We're bad Chinese anyway. Yeah, there
there are a couple of options. Oh man, we do
have some numbers, we do. Um. There are about two
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hundred cultivated species of flax and uh Russia is the
top producer, accounting for nearly a quarter of the market,
but Canada exports the most. Um also lots produced in
India and China. As of nearly three million tons were
being produced worldwide every year, and the export market was
worth nearly a billion dollars a year. Wow. M. Though
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it was once a popular crop all over the Eastern
United States over the flag, production in the US nowadays
takes place in North Dakota. Uh huh yeah, more on
that in a little bit. Minnesota is also a big player,
but uh yeah. In recent years, coinciding with an increased
focus on health, flax seeds have become more mainstream as
a health food. Ground flax seed can go into all
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kinds of things smooth these sandwiches, yogurt in bank, good salad, cereal, soups,
pretty much anything you want. To put flax seeds in
or on. You could, I guess. I mean, no one
stopping you, right, that's not necessarily a good idea, Not necessarily,
but no, I mean they're they're they're nice. They had
like a little bit of nutty flavor. If you're looking
for that viscosity, then that's the thing. Yeah, most of
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my Google search returned you should grind them up, and
I don't want to do that. The reasons I easily guessable.
I am lazy, but I have had them before and
I like them. It's just got to find how to
use that many. I just need to get you a
little coffee grinder or something. That's another thing my friends
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don't like about me is that I don't have good coffee.
And they were discussing how they're going to buy me
a coffee maker because they couldn't stand the coffee I drink.
If you want to buy it, that's fine with me.
This is the way I get a free coffee maker. Yeah. Absolutely, okay,
but I okay, Now, I do have to tell you
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that if they do buy you a coffee maker and
like a coffee grinder, do not grind things other than
coffee and your coffee grind under because you'll get like
mucilage in your coffee and like you don't you probably
don't want that. No, I love that. You know me
so well, and I would have tempted such a foolish
and never I absolutely would separate your coffee grinders from
your other stuff grinders noted, noted. Okay, anyway, flax seed, Yes,
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we do have some history for you, because because the
medicinal use of this stuff goes back a very very
very long time as that wacky list perhaps let you know.
But yeah, what we'll get into that as soon as
we get back from a quick break for a word
from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes,
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thank you. Flax has been kicking around a while, at
least since eight thousand BC, and was one of the
first crops domesticated by humans, originally primary early for their
seeds in the eight founder crop archaeological theory. This is
a popular theory that eight crops were the foundation of
agriculture on our planet. Flax or lindseed, is the source
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of the oil and fiber of those eight crops. Yeah. Yeah,
The plant probably originated in the Mediterranean or in what
is now present day Georgia the country. Obviously, perhaps remnants
dating back to the Stone Age were found in Switzerland.
There's a surprising amount of research into this ongoing yes,
including a twenty nine team study that suggested for almost
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five thousand, seven hundred years, our ancestors have had and
used technology to make linen from the flax plant. The
researchers found evidence of flax production, including spindles and finished
products like nets, shoes, and hats in a late Neolithic
village and Central Europe. The study authors described at the
end of the Neolithic as quote flax boom, flaxpoo, flax boom.
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I'm sure it was exciting. Yeah, flax oil production remained
important and happened in tandem with linen. Prediction, whole craft
settlements devoted themselves to making things with linen. Oh yeah,
I mean aside from wool, Like woolen, lenen were like
the two fabrics. Yeah, for pretty much. Ever, this reminds
me of video game, like you would go and visit
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this this place to get your your armor, needs your
clothing knees. Yeah. I think Settlers of Catan is really
missing out on some kind of flax related square. They
are who can get in touch with. If anyone's listening
or has any influencers, way let them know. Flaxy needs
to be involved. Our chaeolog just found flax fibers in
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a cave in Georgia that are over thirty thou years old.
An examination of the pollen from the caves in that
area revealed much of the pollen contained flax fibers. Flax
was growing in the wild at the time. The fibers
appeared to have been braided in some cases died, though
probably not for clothing. Elizabeth Barber, author of pre Storic
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Textiles Development of Cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages
with special reference to the Aegean, said of this discovery quote,
I mean talk about the proverbial needle in a haystack.
Trying to find fibers that are thirty thousand years old
really is almost impossible. Sure enough, She hypothesizes that the
invention of string helped our ancestors survive the Ice Age,
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providing a way for people to tie packages together and
carry more and catch more game with snares and nets,
which would be super important in the Ice Age. It's
always always, but yeah, the ancient Egyptians use flax fiber
to make Linen's class fish nets and for wrapping mummies.
They also ate the seeds and prescribe them for all
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kinds of elements, primarily yes as a laxative. Some anointed
themselves with the oil before leaving the house, and custom
called for guests to be anointed with oil by servants.
Women might have used it to style their hair, and
perhaps utilized it as sort of a sunscreen in at
repellent combo. Yeah see, we're still talking about food kind
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of sort of, yeah, fascinating. Hippocrates recommended flax for digestive
problems and mucous membrane inflammation. Dioscurieties to prescribe flax seeds
for internal or external inflammation. Some accounts posit that the
Assyrians and Mesopotamia used it for coughs, bladder and vaginal
and rectal health, and as an aphrodes. You knew it
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was coming. Flax was mentioned in Homer's Odyssey and the
Bible several times. One example, when God sent a plague
of hail, the quote flax and the barley were smitten.
Rabbis argued that the story of Cane and Abel. In
that story, Cane bought flax seed as his offering, and
able bought lambs. And this is why woolden flax. I'm
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not oh, I see okay. Plenty observed that ground lind
seed was mixed with porridge among the peasants of northern
Italy and galand described peasants eating roasted land seeds with honey.
Historians believe that the Phoenicians introduced flex to Ireland very
early on, where it was readily adopted to make linen
and went on to become a huge agricultural important thing
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in that country. There's a whole like oh my god, yeah,
oh sure yeah. Flex Seed oil was also mentioned in
our vetic texts going back to at least one thousand
b C, especially as a topical treatment to extract oil.
In ancient times, folks roasted the seeds in an oven,
ground them up with a millstone to make flour, and
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mix them with water to make dough. This dough was
put in baskets that were stacked under these big, hefty
wooden beams that were tightened down on the baskets with
a wooden screw, and they remained under pressure for over
a day, during which the oil drained out. The oil
was used for lamps, cooking, as an insect repellent for
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water buffaloecifically. Many early colonists to North America planted plots
of flax, mostly to use the fiber to make linens.
During the eighteen hundreds, as settlers moved west, they bought
flax with them. In many cases, it was among one
of the first crops they planted. Bundles of raw flax
were sometimes exchanged for goods, and the seeds were baked
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into breads, are mixed with cereals, or given to livestock.
The seeds were also viewed as valuable and used for trades.
They're kind of during a similar thing that we're doing now,
And here's how they went about harvesting flax back then.
When the flax is ready, women and children pull it out,
roots and all, and bundle them together for drying. Then
the seeds were removed by pulling the flax through what
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was known as a hetchel, which was a wooden board
with spikes snailed to it, speaking of a horde. This
was usually done by men. Once that was done, then
came the retting. People went about this in different ways.
In England, they soaked bundles in bodies of water, but
in North America people preferred to just spread them out
on the ground and let the dew do the work.
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Then the wooden hus were broken to reveal the inner fibers,
either with wooden planks or paddles. Beating the flax was
often a social affair for all ages. The inner fibers
were hetcheled again, and this was typically done by women
to remove the debris and separate short fibers destined for
coarse cloth and the more desired long fibers. Women did
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the spinning too, and this process was an all day affair,
labor intensive. Having a flax wheel during the seventeen hundreds
was an indicator of domesticity, and women who spun flax
were called spinsters. That's why I wanted to talk about this.
Women soon took over the weaving as well, an occupation
that had previously been dominated by men. In pre revolutionary America,
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making your own clothes was seen as almost patriotic away
to not rely on imports, and Lenin went on to
become vital in the clothing for revolutionary soldiers. Lennon's were
so commonly used as garments during the during the day
that around the sixteen fifties, the phrase linen lifter was
slang for an adulterous man. Oh little, oh, my goodness.
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Commercial production of flax really got started in the seventeen fifties,
a production declined when the cotton gin was introduced in seventeen.
Oh yeah, the cotton gin really screwed up the flax
industry in the United States. Like before the gin, yeah,
your cloth fibers were linen or wool, and that's what
they were. Um. Cotton was very expensive. Um, but the
gin opened up cotton as a fiber that way more
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people could afford. We Lauren and I'm when we were
in our Dothan, Alabama peanut trip. We got to pick
some cotton, and I keep forgetting. I have it in
my in my coat pocket, my rain jacket, and it's
like a wonderful little surprise every time. I'm like, oh, yeah,
that's right there. Yeah, And it still has like the
little pointy thorn in it, but it doesn't hurt. It's
just how I usually notice it, Okay, because right, right, right,
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right future episode, peanut episode. During the nineteenth century, Russia
produced the most linen from flax, followed by France and Holland.
In eighteen eleven, an organization was formed in Ulster, Ireland.
This is from that paper I mentioned earlier, quote for
the improvement of the growth of flax. This was around
the same time that Thread Machinery was modernizing the making
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of lenin. In eighteen fifty, the organization congratulated members in
a report, reading quote, although it has had many difficulties
to surmount and many prejudices to contend with, it's been
productive of much good. That quote was really really long,
and I really enjoyed all of it. That's that's the
heart of it, right right, right right. This was from
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the report of the Flax and Himp Commission, appointed under
Active Congress February twenty five, nineteen sixty three by United
States Congress Flax and Himp Commission the United States Department
of Adega Culture, which I read and it was very Yes,
it was very very dry, very thorough interesting, very dry. Anyway.
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It also contains the tale of a man from Holland
who invented a way to spend superior flax in the
eighteen hundreds, but despite many offers, he would not sell
this idea, believing people would cheat him out of profits.
Probably true. His flax was even displayed at the eighteen
fifty two London World's Fair, where it won a metal
But then flax cotton hybrid came along and nobody really
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wanted it anyone. Yeah yeah, yeah, well mm hmm. Speaking
of things that aren't food. Uh. In eighteen sixty four,
production began on a new household product, Linoleum uh Lynn
meaning lindseed and oleum meaning oil linseed oil. One. Frederick
Watson invented it. It's cotton canvas pressed with a cork dust,
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oxidized linseed oil and whatever coloring you'd like. These days,
other stuff might be added in, but that's that's the basics. Um.
And yeah, waterproof, easy to clean, doesn't show where um.
It's considered the first product name to become a generic
term for that product, and it did so in under
two decades. Like before social media, linoleum quickly became one
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of the most widely used floor coverings in the world. Wow,
that's oppressive, it is. Beginning in the eighteen nineties, professor H. L.
Bali started researching flax in North Dakotas, specifically focusing on
flax wilt. He set aside a research plot in fargo
in eight plot thirty. In nineteen eight he released the
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first wilt resistant seed flax, and that plot is still
used for research to this day. And that's part of
why North Dakota is one of the biggest producers in
the United States. US commercial flax production nearly disappeared though
after the nineteen forties. On the individual level, some still
grew it, primarily to make their own linen. Yeah, and
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uh that that's because you've got the cotton gin wearing
away the need for flax flax fibers. And also um
that the use of linseed oil was vastly decreased by
the development of the petroleum industry, and it's inexpensive byproducts
like like vinyl in the case of linoleum. Right, but
it didn't go away completely in the nineties fifties. Are
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eating it didn't. A German biochemist named doctor Joanna Budwig
espoused eating a mixture of cottage cheese, low fat milk,
and flax seed oil as a cancer preventative and treatment.
She believed that the oil made the omega three fatty
acids easier for our bodies to access. The Budwig diet
cuts out sugar refined and hydrogenated oils, most other dairy products, tea, coffee,
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refined grains, at cereal, shellfish, pork, and cold meats. She
also recommended someun big thing in time outdoors. While this
diet is still around to this day, there is no
scientific evidence that it works. Yes, uh and yeah. With
all that interest in a good fats since then or so,
and in fabrics made from natural fibers, the production of
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flax in the US is increasing again slowly, like it's
a lot down from where it was once, but yeah,
but but on the on the up swing. Yeah. A
lot of things I read about why associated it with
the Mediterranean diet, the popularity of the Mediterranean diet, and
just in general, as we spoke about four on the show,
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kind of towards the end of the nineties beginning two thousands,
health like a more focus on health. Yeah, and on
the idea that fats aren't always poison, because somehow we
started defeating the sugar industry just a little bit by
a little bit, slow but steady. That is interesting because
that the fifties is when the sugar industree was like
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fat worse exactly, no more fats. Ever, sugar is healthy. Yes,
our early sugar episodes about that or I don't know.
I guess just anytime if you want to hear his
rant about it, we probably talk about that. And I'd say,
like a quarter of our episode. Yeah, they had a
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lot of influence they did. Yeah, it's it's one of
those and we're not being like conspiracy theorists right now.
This is like a conspiracy fact. Yeah, you should listen
to her if you haven't. The Miracle Berry episode. Yeah,
there's like car chases, break breaking in gosh. Yeah, but
that brings us to the end of this episode. It does.
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We still do have a little bit more for you,
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Binny wrote, just listen to the Noble Bay Leaf episode
you're part of people finding them and their Chipotle dishes
really took me back. I am in the Army and
now a huge fan of cooking. When I first joined
and was in basic training, we often got food bought
to us in the field from the dining facility to
allow us to continue training. I always thought I was
very unlucky that leaves kept getting into my food. It
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was not until I really started cooking that I realized
Bailey's were a thing and instantly felt silly. If you
don't know sure it, you're like, what's this leaf doing here?
It looks like leaf? I love how much there's like
some people believe it's good luck, some people believe it's
bad luck. I always thought it was just pretty cool. Well,
if you if you don't know that it's there for
a food purpose, then that's bad luck. Of clear, how
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did this leaf getting my food? Is someone trying to
curse me? Yeah? Yeah, sense Caroline wrote. A few years back,
I was dating a guy who was in the Marine Corps.
He delighted in educating me on military life, such as
having me watch documentaries on combat boot camp and the like.
Another part of this was convincing me to try an
MRI one day. Well, grocery shopping at the commissary, we
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picked out one for me to try a preferred meal flavor.
According to him, hilarity ensued as he suggested, I consumed
the emery while broadcasting it to Facebook Live for the
amusement of his other marine buddies. I settled down on
the patio and had at it with him, filming and
narrating the experience. Unfortunately, or fortunately, perhaps we split up,
so the footage is lost in the Facebook ether. My take, Uh,
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They're fine, I suppose, but I wouldn't want to eat
it every day. The next were okay. The entree chili
I think was decent, but salty, as one would expect
from any canned foods. The heater didn't make the food
super hot, more like lukewarm, but was cool to try using.
But it was fun for sure, and gave me an
appreciation for part of what service people deal with. Side note,
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if you can believe it, there are entire message boards
where that's discussed, the various menu selection based on taste, rarity, etcetera.
Also not sure if this bit was ever discussed, but
I just recalled a pineapple story as well. I used
to wear for a group home and prepared jello for
everyone one evening. A few hours after I went to
take it out and liquid spilled everywhere from the cups.
It was still watery. I had put in chopped fresh fruit,
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including pineapple. Imagine my frustration after calling my mom for advice.
It turns out there's an enzime in pineapple that breaks
down gelatin. Canning and freezing eliminates it, but using fresh
will result in jellow flavored soup. Live and learn. At
least we lived. That's one of my favorite Steinfeld quotes.
That's not mine. Yeah, we have two ma's waiting for
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us to try, sitting at my desk. Oh, we should,
we should do. We haven't done a social post like
that recently. We should totally get on that Facebook. Maybe
not live, but you know, post a little video. Yeah,
I'm the flavors are very interesting. I think they're good. Yeah,
they're like the good ones. Okay, okay, I think the
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listener that sent them wanted us to have the best
experience possible, which we appreciate very mind. Yes, yes, yes,
we also have someone with sabby oreos. I think. Oh
we still haven't eaten those. Okay, alright, cool, Yes, we're
on this. We will get it done. Yeah, New Year's
as um. But in the meantime, thanks to both of
them for writing. If you like to write to us,
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Hello, and welcome to save a protection of I Heart
Radio and stuff Media. I'm an Aeries and I'm Lauren Focalbaum,
and today we're talking about flax seed. Yes, and this
isn't part inspired by a mystery find in my cupboard
because I was cleaning it out and in the very
back I found a huge bag like thirty two ounces
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of whole flax seeds. Okay, recollection buying them? And you
don't you don't like keep food around? No, And that's
why I was searching through my cupboard is because my
friends always complain you don't have any snacks, And I,
very angrily and wrongfully, was like, yes I do, and
I was. And so you pulled out this heck of
thirty two ounce bag of flax seed and you were like,
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seed right, thirty two whole ounces flax seeds? Oh, no,
who you want? But then, as you can imagine, they
weren't convinced. They weren't very happy about this. So I
took to Google and was like, well, how can we
cook these? What snack can we make? And Google basically
returned It's complicated, which is not what you want at
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night snack suggestion. And so this is partly a selfish episode.
I want to know what to do with flax seeds,
but also I feel like they get swept up in
a lot of New Year's resolutions, the food trends exactly
exactly and um. For this particular episode, I feel like
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in some episodes we're on a zoo show or a
weird biological show. Absolutely, this one feels like a strange
fashion episode. It does. Yeah, I'm sort of wishing that
we had like hooked up with the ladies from Dress
and done a co flax episode. Reasons for which if
you are unaware of them, we will get to in
just a moment. I was unaware of them. I was too.
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But this brings us to our question flax seeds. What
are they? Well? Flax seed is the seed of an
annual flowering herbaceous meaning like soft and not woody plant
by the botanical name of Linum usa tassimum sure yeah um.
The plants grow about two or three feet tall up
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to about a meter and bear multiple stems that grow.
These are pretty usually blue flowers, and when pollinated, the
flower will develop into a seed capsule called a bowl
uh containing boll bowl containing four to ten like we
glossy brown seeds, and the seeds contain a lot of mucilage,
this expansive water activated like viscous, slimy, sticky stuff that
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would help protect the seeds and let them sprout in
dry conditions. UM and also a lot of oils oil
by weight. The seeds canna be used whole, usually toasted
to add like a nutty flavor and a crunchy texture
and a nutritive punch to dishes and baked goods. Um.
If it's a moist that mucilage will add some thickness
or or cohesion, like like when you cook with okra
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so or Instead of whole seeds, you can grind them
into a flower for a similar effect you can for
for all of those vegans and Maveterranians out there. You
can totally sub out an egg in recipes for a
tablespoon flax flower plus three tablespoons of water and it
works surprisingly well. Yeah yeah, um yeah or um. If
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you don't want to use the whole seeds or the flower,
you can just use the oils, or or you can
just use a gum made from the muslage and dried
out into like a white powder kind of situation, which
is really good for stabilizing emulsions like in a like
in a salad dressing, or for preventing baked goods from
going stale so quickly. Though it's more of a commercial
production ingredient than like a home ingredient most of the time. Yeah,
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not too many snack ideas so far. Yeah, well, I
mean you could bake them into granola or muffins, but
I would have to have those, Yes, you would have
to have those other things. Maybe my friends have a point.
You can totally just like toast like a like a
spoonful and just eat them. I could again not really
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like the most delicious look if they might stop being
my friends at that point. Name you offered as a
spoon full up flax seeds for their health, It is absent.
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Maybe no abs and no no um. Flock seeds are
sometimes also called linseeed. When the seeds are they're pressed
oils or the meal left over after you press out
the oils are going to animal feed or industrial use. Um.
And yeah that species name that I pronounced so readily
and well, um it means very useful in Latin because
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linseed oil is a great wood finish and paint component
because it dries rapidly and helps out waterproof surfaces. Um.
But it is used all over the place in linoleum, oilcloth, raincoats, tarps,
in the manufacture of soaps, and particle board in printer
ink um to preserve and protect concrete. But we do
not just use the seeds. Oh No. The stems of
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the plant contain these fibers that are long and soft
but tough, and it's what's used to make linen. Uh
huh um. And the fibers are Yeah, they're great for
both fabrics and paper. They've got a little bit of
a sheen to them. They're stronger than cotton or ray
on or wool, and they are used in everything from
clothes to canvas to currency to cigarette paper. Yeah. I
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feel like in a lot of articles ire they referenced
this old SNL skit that was about some product, and
it was they were arguing about it's floor cleaner, No,
it's dessert because it could be used for both and yeah,
huh yeah, Blacky, I don't remember that sketch, but I
love it. I had never seen it, but I enjoyed
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it excellent. Uh. The etymology of flax is argued, as
many etymologies are but but but in any case seems
to come from the use of the plant's fibers, either
from the proto Indo European root plick meaning to braid,
or from p like meaning to flays and to strip
the fibers to to prep them for weaving. Probably not
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anything darker than Okay, I'm not I mean, you know,
asked the proto Indo Europeans. I stayed up very late
playing a horror video games on my mind already, Like no, no, no,
not fla. Uh. Yeah, the flax is a is a
really hardy plant and it does well in temperate and
subtropical conditions and can be grown from seed to harvest
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in like three months. Yeah. A lot of different varieties
have been developed in response to differing growing conditions and
pests or diseases, and for optimal seeds versus optimal fibers. Yes,
makes sense, And let's talk about that nutrition. Okay, so um,
the seeds do contain a bunch of omega three fatty
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acids a k A good fats um, the same reason
that nutritionists are like, hey, you should eat some fish um,
but because these can help your body lower your bad
cholesterol levels and thus protect against various diseases, especially at
cardiovascular related conditions. By the way, if you've ever seen
high omega eggs in the store, chances are that they're
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high omega because the chickens are being fed flax seed.
Oh interesting, yeah, um, but yeah, they're also high in
protein and fiber. Got a good spattering of vitamins and minerals,
and all kinds of research is being done into the
potential benefits a flax seed. Um. Some of the compounds
it contains seem to have anti inflammatory effects, antioxidant effects,
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anti cancer effects, anti depression effects, anti diabetic effects, antimicrobial effects.
They may help prevent blood clots and irregular heart rhythms,
all kinds of things, all kinds of stuff, I mean
and like partially because it's just been an important fiber
and food crop for like a long time. Um. The
list of things that flex has been considered as a
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folk remedy for honestly reads like a comedy routine from
Pretty University, and in alphabetical order, quote lineum finds its
way into folk remedies for boils, bronchitis, burns, cancer, carbuncles,
cold conjectivitis, corns, coughs, diarrhea, gonorrhea, gout, inflammation, intoxication, labor, rheumatism,
(08:35):
scaled sclerosis, sore spasm, swellings, tumor, warts, and whitlows. I
have no idea what that is, and I didn't look
it up. That's that does sound like snl on that,
But yeah, in general, bodies are complicated. More researches needed.
Talk with the medical professional before incorporating medicinal amounts of
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anything into your diet or routine. Eat what you like.
If you if you enjoy flax seed, put it in stuff,
Or if you find a mysterious thirty two ounce bag
and you're frue goal and you don't want to get
rid of it, look up some recipes and be adventurous.
Yeah maybe, I mean watch out because it can have
(09:19):
a laxative effect from all of that, friends, Oh my god,
all of that mucilage in it can have a laxative effect.
So just you know, for seed with CAUs yes, now,
you could have turned up so much worse. I'm glad.
(09:41):
I'm glad y'all kept it together. We did say we're
not eager to try the flax seed, which is all
I'm saying. I mean, you can really just order pizza,
like at a very late hour. It's true. I believe
that's what we did. We're bad Chinese anyway. Yeah, there
there are a couple of options. Oh man, we do
have some numbers, we do. Um. There are about two
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hundred cultivated species of flax and uh Russia is the
top producer, accounting for nearly a quarter of the market,
but Canada exports the most. Um also lots produced in
India and China. As of nearly three million tons were
being produced worldwide every year, and the export market was
worth nearly a billion dollars a year. Wow. M. Though
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it was once a popular crop all over the Eastern
United States over the flag, production in the US nowadays
takes place in North Dakota. Uh huh yeah, more on
that in a little bit. Minnesota is also a big player,
but uh yeah. In recent years, coinciding with an increased
focus on health, flax seeds have become more mainstream as
a health food. Ground flax seed can go into all
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kinds of things smooth these sandwiches, yogurt in bank, good salad, cereal, soups,
pretty much anything you want. To put flax seeds in
or on. You could, I guess. I mean, no one
stopping you, right, that's not necessarily a good idea, Not necessarily,
but no, I mean they're they're they're nice. They had
like a little bit of nutty flavor. If you're looking
for that viscosity, then that's the thing. Yeah, most of
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my Google search returned you should grind them up, and
I don't want to do that. The reasons I easily guessable.
I am lazy, but I have had them before and
I like them. It's just got to find how to
use that many. I just need to get you a
little coffee grinder or something. That's another thing my friends
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don't like about me is that I don't have good coffee.
And they were discussing how they're going to buy me
a coffee maker because they couldn't stand the coffee I drink.
If you want to buy it, that's fine with me.
This is the way I get a free coffee maker. Yeah. Absolutely, okay,
but I okay, Now, I do have to tell you
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that if they do buy you a coffee maker and
like a coffee grinder, do not grind things other than
coffee and your coffee grind under because you'll get like
mucilage in your coffee and like you don't you probably
don't want that. No, I love that. You know me
so well, and I would have tempted such a foolish
and never I absolutely would separate your coffee grinders from
your other stuff grinders noted, noted. Okay, anyway, flax seed, Yes,
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we do have some history for you, because because the
medicinal use of this stuff goes back a very very
very long time as that wacky list perhaps let you know.
But yeah, what we'll get into that as soon as
we get back from a quick break for a word
from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes,
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thank you. Flax has been kicking around a while, at
least since eight thousand BC, and was one of the
first crops domesticated by humans, originally primary early for their
seeds in the eight founder crop archaeological theory. This is
a popular theory that eight crops were the foundation of
agriculture on our planet. Flax or lindseed, is the source
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of the oil and fiber of those eight crops. Yeah. Yeah,
The plant probably originated in the Mediterranean or in what
is now present day Georgia the country. Obviously, perhaps remnants
dating back to the Stone Age were found in Switzerland.
There's a surprising amount of research into this ongoing yes,
including a twenty nine team study that suggested for almost
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five thousand, seven hundred years, our ancestors have had and
used technology to make linen from the flax plant. The
researchers found evidence of flax production, including spindles and finished
products like nets, shoes, and hats in a late Neolithic
village and Central Europe. The study authors described at the
end of the Neolithic as quote flax boom, flaxpoo, flax boom.
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I'm sure it was exciting. Yeah, flax oil production remained
important and happened in tandem with linen. Prediction, whole craft
settlements devoted themselves to making things with linen. Oh yeah,
I mean aside from wool, Like woolen, lenen were like
the two fabrics. Yeah, for pretty much. Ever, this reminds
me of video game, like you would go and visit
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this this place to get your your armor, needs your
clothing knees. Yeah. I think Settlers of Catan is really
missing out on some kind of flax related square. They
are who can get in touch with. If anyone's listening
or has any influencers, way let them know. Flaxy needs
to be involved. Our chaeolog just found flax fibers in
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a cave in Georgia that are over thirty thou years old.
An examination of the pollen from the caves in that
area revealed much of the pollen contained flax fibers. Flax
was growing in the wild at the time. The fibers
appeared to have been braided in some cases died, though
probably not for clothing. Elizabeth Barber, author of pre Storic
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Textiles Development of Cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages
with special reference to the Aegean, said of this discovery quote,
I mean talk about the proverbial needle in a haystack.
Trying to find fibers that are thirty thousand years old
really is almost impossible. Sure enough, She hypothesizes that the
invention of string helped our ancestors survive the Ice Age,
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providing a way for people to tie packages together and
carry more and catch more game with snares and nets,
which would be super important in the Ice Age. It's
always always, but yeah, the ancient Egyptians use flax fiber
to make Linen's class fish nets and for wrapping mummies.
They also ate the seeds and prescribe them for all
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kinds of elements, primarily yes as a laxative. Some anointed
themselves with the oil before leaving the house, and custom
called for guests to be anointed with oil by servants.
Women might have used it to style their hair, and
perhaps utilized it as sort of a sunscreen in at
repellent combo. Yeah see, we're still talking about food kind
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of sort of, yeah, fascinating. Hippocrates recommended flax for digestive
problems and mucous membrane inflammation. Dioscurieties to prescribe flax seeds
for internal or external inflammation. Some accounts posit that the
Assyrians and Mesopotamia used it for coughs, bladder and vaginal
and rectal health, and as an aphrodes. You knew it
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was coming. Flax was mentioned in Homer's Odyssey and the
Bible several times. One example, when God sent a plague
of hail, the quote flax and the barley were smitten.
Rabbis argued that the story of Cane and Abel. In
that story, Cane bought flax seed as his offering, and
able bought lambs. And this is why woolden flax. I'm
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not oh, I see okay. Plenty observed that ground lind
seed was mixed with porridge among the peasants of northern
Italy and galand described peasants eating roasted land seeds with honey.
Historians believe that the Phoenicians introduced flex to Ireland very
early on, where it was readily adopted to make linen
and went on to become a huge agricultural important thing
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in that country. There's a whole like oh my god, yeah,
oh sure yeah. Flex Seed oil was also mentioned in
our vetic texts going back to at least one thousand
b C, especially as a topical treatment to extract oil.
In ancient times, folks roasted the seeds in an oven,
ground them up with a millstone to make flour, and
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mix them with water to make dough. This dough was
put in baskets that were stacked under these big, hefty
wooden beams that were tightened down on the baskets with
a wooden screw, and they remained under pressure for over
a day, during which the oil drained out. The oil
was used for lamps, cooking, as an insect repellent for
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water buffaloecifically. Many early colonists to North America planted plots
of flax, mostly to use the fiber to make linens.
During the eighteen hundreds, as settlers moved west, they bought
flax with them. In many cases, it was among one
of the first crops they planted. Bundles of raw flax
were sometimes exchanged for goods, and the seeds were baked
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into breads, are mixed with cereals, or given to livestock.
The seeds were also viewed as valuable and used for trades.
They're kind of during a similar thing that we're doing now,
And here's how they went about harvesting flax back then.
When the flax is ready, women and children pull it out,
roots and all, and bundle them together for drying. Then
the seeds were removed by pulling the flax through what
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was known as a hetchel, which was a wooden board
with spikes snailed to it, speaking of a horde. This
was usually done by men. Once that was done, then
came the retting. People went about this in different ways.
In England, they soaked bundles in bodies of water, but
in North America people preferred to just spread them out
on the ground and let the dew do the work.
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Then the wooden hus were broken to reveal the inner fibers,
either with wooden planks or paddles. Beating the flax was
often a social affair for all ages. The inner fibers
were hetcheled again, and this was typically done by women
to remove the debris and separate short fibers destined for
coarse cloth and the more desired long fibers. Women did
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the spinning too, and this process was an all day affair,
labor intensive. Having a flax wheel during the seventeen hundreds
was an indicator of domesticity, and women who spun flax
were called spinsters. That's why I wanted to talk about this.
Women soon took over the weaving as well, an occupation
that had previously been dominated by men. In pre revolutionary America,
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making your own clothes was seen as almost patriotic away
to not rely on imports, and Lenin went on to
become vital in the clothing for revolutionary soldiers. Lennon's were
so commonly used as garments during the during the day
that around the sixteen fifties, the phrase linen lifter was
slang for an adulterous man. Oh little, oh, my goodness.
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Commercial production of flax really got started in the seventeen fifties,
a production declined when the cotton gin was introduced in seventeen.
Oh yeah, the cotton gin really screwed up the flax
industry in the United States. Like before the gin, yeah,
your cloth fibers were linen or wool, and that's what
they were. Um. Cotton was very expensive. Um, but the
gin opened up cotton as a fiber that way more
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people could afford. We Lauren and I'm when we were
in our Dothan, Alabama peanut trip. We got to pick
some cotton, and I keep forgetting. I have it in
my in my coat pocket, my rain jacket, and it's
like a wonderful little surprise every time. I'm like, oh, yeah,
that's right there. Yeah, And it still has like the
little pointy thorn in it, but it doesn't hurt. It's
just how I usually notice it, Okay, because right, right, right,
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right future episode, peanut episode. During the nineteenth century, Russia
produced the most linen from flax, followed by France and Holland.
In eighteen eleven, an organization was formed in Ulster, Ireland.
This is from that paper I mentioned earlier, quote for
the improvement of the growth of flax. This was around
the same time that Thread Machinery was modernizing the making
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of lenin. In eighteen fifty, the organization congratulated members in
a report, reading quote, although it has had many difficulties
to surmount and many prejudices to contend with, it's been
productive of much good. That quote was really really long,
and I really enjoyed all of it. That's that's the
heart of it, right right, right right. This was from
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the report of the Flax and Himp Commission, appointed under
Active Congress February twenty five, nineteen sixty three by United
States Congress Flax and Himp Commission the United States Department
of Adega Culture, which I read and it was very Yes,
it was very very dry, very thorough interesting, very dry. Anyway.
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It also contains the tale of a man from Holland
who invented a way to spend superior flax in the
eighteen hundreds, but despite many offers, he would not sell
this idea, believing people would cheat him out of profits.
Probably true. His flax was even displayed at the eighteen
fifty two London World's Fair, where it won a metal
But then flax cotton hybrid came along and nobody really
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wanted it anyone. Yeah yeah, yeah, well mm hmm. Speaking
of things that aren't food. Uh. In eighteen sixty four,
production began on a new household product, Linoleum uh Lynn
meaning lindseed and oleum meaning oil linseed oil. One. Frederick
Watson invented it. It's cotton canvas pressed with a cork dust,
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oxidized linseed oil and whatever coloring you'd like. These days,
other stuff might be added in, but that's that's the basics. Um.
And yeah, waterproof, easy to clean, doesn't show where um.
It's considered the first product name to become a generic
term for that product, and it did so in under
two decades. Like before social media, linoleum quickly became one
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of the most widely used floor coverings in the world. Wow,
that's oppressive, it is. Beginning in the eighteen nineties, professor H. L.
Bali started researching flax in North Dakotas, specifically focusing on
flax wilt. He set aside a research plot in fargo
in eight plot thirty. In nineteen eight he released the
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first wilt resistant seed flax, and that plot is still
used for research to this day. And that's part of
why North Dakota is one of the biggest producers in
the United States. US commercial flax production nearly disappeared though
after the nineteen forties. On the individual level, some still
grew it, primarily to make their own linen. Yeah, and
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uh that that's because you've got the cotton gin wearing
away the need for flax flax fibers. And also um
that the use of linseed oil was vastly decreased by
the development of the petroleum industry, and it's inexpensive byproducts
like like vinyl in the case of linoleum. Right, but
it didn't go away completely in the nineties fifties. Are
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eating it didn't. A German biochemist named doctor Joanna Budwig
espoused eating a mixture of cottage cheese, low fat milk,
and flax seed oil as a cancer preventative and treatment.
She believed that the oil made the omega three fatty
acids easier for our bodies to access. The Budwig diet
cuts out sugar refined and hydrogenated oils, most other dairy products, tea, coffee,
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refined grains, at cereal, shellfish, pork, and cold meats. She
also recommended someun big thing in time outdoors. While this
diet is still around to this day, there is no
scientific evidence that it works. Yes, uh and yeah. With
all that interest in a good fats since then or so,
and in fabrics made from natural fibers, the production of
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flax in the US is increasing again slowly, like it's
a lot down from where it was once, but yeah,
but but on the on the up swing. Yeah. A
lot of things I read about why associated it with
the Mediterranean diet, the popularity of the Mediterranean diet, and
just in general, as we spoke about four on the show,
(25:27):
kind of towards the end of the nineties beginning two thousands,
health like a more focus on health. Yeah, and on
the idea that fats aren't always poison, because somehow we
started defeating the sugar industry just a little bit by
a little bit, slow but steady. That is interesting because
that the fifties is when the sugar industree was like
(25:49):
fat worse exactly, no more fats. Ever, sugar is healthy. Yes,
our early sugar episodes about that or I don't know.
I guess just anytime if you want to hear his
rant about it, we probably talk about that. And I'd say,
like a quarter of our episode. Yeah, they had a
(26:11):
lot of influence they did. Yeah, it's it's one of
those and we're not being like conspiracy theorists right now.
This is like a conspiracy fact. Yeah, you should listen
to her if you haven't. The Miracle Berry episode. Yeah,
there's like car chases, break breaking in gosh. Yeah, but
that brings us to the end of this episode. It does.
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Binny wrote, just listen to the Noble Bay Leaf episode
you're part of people finding them and their Chipotle dishes
really took me back. I am in the Army and
now a huge fan of cooking. When I first joined
and was in basic training, we often got food bought
to us in the field from the dining facility to
allow us to continue training. I always thought I was
very unlucky that leaves kept getting into my food. It
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was not until I really started cooking that I realized
Bailey's were a thing and instantly felt silly. If you
don't know sure it, you're like, what's this leaf doing here?
It looks like leaf? I love how much there's like
some people believe it's good luck, some people believe it's
bad luck. I always thought it was just pretty cool. Well,
if you if you don't know that it's there for
a food purpose, then that's bad luck. Of clear, how
(27:40):
did this leaf getting my food? Is someone trying to
curse me? Yeah? Yeah, sense Caroline wrote. A few years back,
I was dating a guy who was in the Marine Corps.
He delighted in educating me on military life, such as
having me watch documentaries on combat boot camp and the like.
Another part of this was convincing me to try an
MRI one day. Well, grocery shopping at the commissary, we
(28:02):
picked out one for me to try a preferred meal flavor.
According to him, hilarity ensued as he suggested, I consumed
the emery while broadcasting it to Facebook Live for the
amusement of his other marine buddies. I settled down on
the patio and had at it with him, filming and
narrating the experience. Unfortunately, or fortunately, perhaps we split up,
so the footage is lost in the Facebook ether. My take, Uh,
(28:26):
They're fine, I suppose, but I wouldn't want to eat
it every day. The next were okay. The entree chili
I think was decent, but salty, as one would expect
from any canned foods. The heater didn't make the food
super hot, more like lukewarm, but was cool to try using.
But it was fun for sure, and gave me an
appreciation for part of what service people deal with. Side note,
(28:47):
if you can believe it, there are entire message boards
where that's discussed, the various menu selection based on taste, rarity, etcetera.
Also not sure if this bit was ever discussed, but
I just recalled a pineapple story as well. I used
to wear for a group home and prepared jello for
everyone one evening. A few hours after I went to
take it out and liquid spilled everywhere from the cups.
It was still watery. I had put in chopped fresh fruit,
(29:09):
including pineapple. Imagine my frustration after calling my mom for advice.
It turns out there's an enzime in pineapple that breaks
down gelatin. Canning and freezing eliminates it, but using fresh
will result in jellow flavored soup. Live and learn. At
least we lived. That's one of my favorite Steinfeld quotes.
That's not mine. Yeah, we have two ma's waiting for
(29:32):
us to try, sitting at my desk. Oh, we should,
we should do. We haven't done a social post like
that recently. We should totally get on that Facebook. Maybe
not live, but you know, post a little video. Yeah,
I'm the flavors are very interesting. I think they're good. Yeah,
they're like the good ones. Okay, okay, I think the
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listener that sent them wanted us to have the best
experience possible, which we appreciate very mind. Yes, yes, yes,
we also have someone with sabby oreos. I think. Oh
we still haven't eaten those. Okay, alright, cool, Yes, we're
on this. We will get it done. Yeah, New Year's
as um. But in the meantime, thanks to both of
them for writing. If you like to write to us,
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