Craft Beer Brewsters

Along with the rise of craft beer has come the revival of women brewmasters who challenge the stereotype of beer as a man's drink. Caroline and Cristen chart the ancient history and return of women to craft beer brewing.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to stuff Mom Never told You from how stupports
dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen
and I'm Caroline. And Caroline first question of the podcast
for you favorite craft beer? Oh gosh, oh goodness. I

(00:25):
know I'm putting you on the spot. You are even
though I knew we were talking about this, I'm still
on the spot. I really like anything out of Bell's.
I'm a big I've talked about Michigan on the podcast before.
I have a fondness for Michigan. Any anything out of Michigan,
including Bell's beer. Caroline, I'm gonna pull a copycat. Bell's

(00:47):
too hearted, can't go wrong. Yeah, although it'll um. It
gets you drunk, that's for sure. It is a higher
gravity beer, and it has I have gotten the UPSI Bells. Yeah, no,
I I had too many of those on my first
date with my boyfriend. And hey, it worked up, It
worked up, totally worked out. Yeah, right now, I'm all

(01:08):
about some bells. And also for a little Atlanta hometown love.
Monday Night Brewing has something called a foo Man brew,
which is a wheat beer with a bit of ginger
infused into it, which might sound kind of strange, but
ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, we also have red brick here

(01:29):
in Atlanta on Sweetwater, all sorts of stuff. I don't
drink that stuff. I don't really dream one. I'm talking
about Monday night. Well, I listen, like you drink your bells,
I'll dream one Monday night. Yeah, but I feel like
you and I even having this conversation. Having opinions on
craft beer is like busting stereotypes. So well, that's what
we're here to do, Caroline, is busting stereotypes, especially stereotypes

(01:50):
about beer and for followers of stuff. Mom never told you.
This is probably gonna be some repeat info because we
have talked before a about how women were the original
beer brewers or brewsters. I love that word. I had
no idea that the word brewster existed for women brewers. Yeah,

(02:12):
I love that. And then of course I just think
about Punky Brewster, and then I started thinking about, like,
do I know anyone with a surname Brewster? No, but
then the brewer, and then I think about the Milwaukee brewers,
and then I just like, go have a beer. But okay,
so in a lot of ancient societies, women were the
ones entrusted with the beer making, and and it was
it went beyond that. It wasn't just that women were

(02:33):
the ones who had to do it. It was like
men actively were not trusted to handle the beer. Yeah,
because it was it was that important for these ancient societies.
And there's this cultural anthropologist named Alan D. Eames and
he's dubbed the Indiana Jones of beer. I want to
hang out with him. Yeah, that's a great title. And
he was talking to mcclean's magazine a few years ago

(02:55):
about how pretty much every ancient society's beer creation myth
starts with a beer goddess essentially. Yeah, Egypt had Hathor,
which she sounds like exactly the type of lady I
want to hang out with. She was called the Goddess
of drunkenness, the inventress of brewing, the mistress of intoxication,

(03:17):
and her temple was referred to as the place of drunkenness.
So she had the party palace. She's like the goddess
of the fraternity system. I feel like, yeah, Hathor knows
how to have a good time. But I wonder though,
if Hathor ever had parties over at the palace of
Samerian Goddess series, who was the one who watched over

(03:40):
the daily brewing rituals. And then so Hathor and series
got together and went over to hang out with Roman
Goddess series. She's the harvest goddess, and so the name
for beer over there was Sarah Vizia from series is name.
And we should say that Roman god is series series

(04:01):
with the c Marian gott Us series a series with
an s. So it might have gotten a little confusing,
especially once all the goddess has had a couple of drinks.
Which series they were talking about, But I'm sure they
probably came up with like fun nicknames. So and that's
how they kind of worked around that. Um, and now
I really want to go to this fictional goddess beer party. Yeah.
But the ancient Finns also had their own lady beer lore.

(04:26):
They believed that three women originally created ale for a
wedding feast by mixing wait for it, beer saliva with
wild honey and then blending it into beer. So like
like wild bears, like or polar bears, any bear, I'm
gonna say, Finnish bears, Finish bears, Finish bears. They're probably blonde. Yes. Um.

(04:51):
In medieval England, we have the brewsters, as we said,
who oversaw household ale production. A significant number of these
women tended to be widows or single before the Black
Plague and then that kind of change demographics just a
little bit. But you know, talking about household ale production,
everybody was drinking this stuff, from moms to kids, to

(05:13):
dad's to whoever. Yeah, because milk at the time would
have been used mostly for cheese and butter. Wine too
expensive for the commoners to drink, and water was not
potable the Middle Ages. Sounds so fun. Yeah, so, and
it was not only considered hydration but also a nutritious meal. Yeah,

(05:36):
you gonna have a little beer snack. Yeah, I wish
we had a beer snack right now. But yeah, for
a lot of the women who were in the a
lot of the brewsters, a lot of the women who
were in this trade, it did offer them a little
bit more pay and prestige. Because if you think about
the occupations that were available to women in the Middle
Ages in England, it probably wouldn't that great, not too many, um,

(05:58):
but there could be wrinkles that would pop up every
now and then if you were a brewster because it
could happen that you might cook up a batch of
not so good beer. And in instances where if people
ever got sick from beer, they drink spoiled beer, it
was attributed to witchy brewsters. They were actually called beer witches.

(06:21):
That's my new insult, you witchy. Well, probably more of
a term of endearment, honestly, you witchy brewy witch brewster.
And just driving home to how common it was for everyone,
and we mean everyone to drink beer and ale throughout
the throughout the day. Just at any old time. There
was something called groaning ale that pregnant women would drink

(06:43):
to help with any kind of pregnancy pains, for labor pains.
And there was also a special bridal ale that would
often be featured at weddings. Yeah, and speaking of which
our modern word for bride had no idea about. This
comes from the Germanic root brew meaning to brew. B
are you the more you know, But I do wonder
about pregnant women drinking ale. I am a little concerned

(07:07):
for our ancestors. But we're here now, you know things.
It was a different time back in the Middle Ages, sure,
and I'm sure it was not high gravity. I'm sure
they were not drinking. They're growning. Al was not too hearted. Yeah, yeah,
I was, let's hope not. But I mean, if you
think about the technology and advancements of the time, it
was it was pretty slow, but maybe in part due

(07:27):
to all that groaning ale um. But it's funny though,
if you look at beer in colonial America, same kind
of thing going on, where it's still commonly made, usually
by women in the household. And even though you know,
the US was very puritanical at this time, ale and
beer were commonly drunk. And this is coming from an

(07:50):
article in The Atlantic talking about how women were the
family brewers and they would make rich beers from corn, pumpkin, artichoke, oats, wheat,
honey and the glasses. Interesting artichoke beer, yeah, I don't,
I don't know. I don't know about that. If somebody
out there makes it, I'll try it. Definitely sounds very earthy,

(08:10):
earthy beer. This beer has artichoke undertones. But this will
sound familiar to listeners who listened to our coffee episode,
a coffee culture episode when beer brewing moved out of
the house and started to become more professionalized. That's when
we see more men taking it over and women kind

(08:31):
of leaving the industry that was growing at the time. Um.
You know, back then, many women brewed only on an
occasional basis and simply couldn't compete with the men who
were entering it professionally. Yeah. And once beer not only
started being made outside of the house, but also drunk
outside of the house. This is happening more towards the

(08:52):
Industrial Revolution when you have guys working outside the home
and so they would perhaps go to a bar afterwards
or on their lunch break, I don't know, for a beer,
and it became improper also kind of like coffee houses,
as we talked about in that coffee episode, for women
to you know, fraternized at this establishment, not so much

(09:13):
because of the alcohol involved, but just because it would
have been improper to be a woman hanging out with
all these men. Like essentially they were assumed to be
prostitutes if they were hanging out at bars. Slut shaming,
but yield slut shaming. Yeah, And it really wasn't until
prohibition that women started going frequenting bars more often, um,

(09:37):
in underground speakeasy. Yeah, because that's the whole you're getting
the rise of the new woman. Hemlines are going up,
inhibitions are going down along with all that bathugin bathtub um.
So the industry really stayed pretty male dominated starting with
the professionalization of the industry. And but we see some

(10:00):
exceptions to the rule. We have at least Miller John
who headed Miller Brewing from nineteen thirty eight to ninety six.
She was the first and so far the only woman
to run a major U. S brewing company. And I'm
gonna guess that since her middle name is Miller, she
was probably born into that role and took over the company.

(10:21):
H And So this is part of why we wanted
to dedicate an episode to craft beer because not only
is craft beer on the rise as big beer has
kind of taken a dip in recent years sales wise,
but more and more women are being attracted to making
and brewing incredible, delicious, tasty. Oh God, I want to

(10:42):
be so bad. Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's
part of this whole good food movement, this whole d
I Y hobby culture. It's not just dudes in their garages.
There's there's plenty of women out there who were into
this whole culture too. There are women in garages as well.
You know what, I bet I've been in a garage
as have I didn't stay in too long, but I've

(11:02):
been in one. Um. Speak of big beer, though, like
I said, the sales have been slipping. They have actually
dropped every year from two thousand eight to two thousand eleven,
and I have a feeling that those numbers have probably continued.
And now there are more than two thousand craft beer
labels that have popped up, and sales were up in

(11:27):
two thousand eleven. So you see all of a sudden,
you know, if you were Budweiser's and uh Miller lights
happening and more, more bells, more Monday night brewing. I'm
fine with that. Yeah, I am hoping. My biased theory
is the big beer sale. I like how we're saying
big beer like big tobacco, but like yeah, well yeah,
and and that their sales are dipping hopefully because they're

(11:48):
so terrible and people are finally realizing that they don't
have to drink like swill water, they can actually drink
tasty things. Although okay, although one fun side note about
big beer, Carol I heard on in pr a couple
of weeks ago that the there are two standout labels
that have seen exponential growth in recent years, also largely

(12:12):
do to people who probably um enjoy craft beers as
well on occasion, and that is PBR and Yngling the
hipster effect. The hipster effect. Yeah, so I thought that
was I thought that was really funny. And I'll be honest,
I enjoy an ice cold PBR every now and then,

(12:33):
although as I have aged, I've started to enjoy craft
beer more. Yeah. No, I I don't think I can
do anymore. I mean there was a really long period
like from college when I was poor too, after college,
when I was still poor, you know too, more recent
times when I'm pretty much still poor, that I would
just drink a lot of PBR. And that was fine because,
you know, especially if it's hot outside Atlanta in the

(12:54):
summer and you're just you just want to drink cheap
beer and you're hanging on the pattire with friends, it's
basically water. Yeah, but I have it's been a long time,
and I had a PBR for the first time in
a long time the other day and I was like,
actually put it down. I was like, this is I can't.
It's growth. It was it U can Yeah. Yeah, see,
I can't do a can PBR anymore unless I've had

(13:15):
a couple of beers before that. I can still do. Uh,
you know what, it's not called a fountain. A fountain
beer is draft beer. I can. I can have a
fountain PBR from Yeah, a little PBR float yeah. Um.
But yeah, so we we're definitely seeing this rise of
craft beer, and women have been part of this craft

(13:38):
beer renaissance since it's very earliest beginnings in the nineteen eighties. Yeah,
I mean in nineteen eighty three a woman claimed the
Homebrewer of the Year title in the National Homebrew Competition.
That's impressive. And just four years later, in nineteen eight seven,
Carol Stout founded and still helps run Stouts Brewing Company
in Adamstown, Pennsylvania. And in nineteen eighty nine, Ellen Bouncle

(14:00):
and her husband began McCausland Brewery. And a few years
later too, in a woman named Ellen Bouncle and her
husband began the McCausland Brewery. And she recently received this
like really a huge prize like for her being this
amazing master brewer, and the interview with her was so

(14:24):
interesting because she talked about when she first started, it
was more of her husband's idea. She had been a
school teacher, didn't never envisioned herself brewing beer, and she said, quote,
it was kind of an old boys network. When you
come out of the world of education, women have always
had an instrumental role there. I wasn't really used to

(14:44):
that form of discrimination, but it became very obvious, very rapidly.
So she talked about as her interest increase and she
became more and more involved with the brewery. For instance,
if she would go out on sales calls, people will
be like, what are you doing here? Why a woman
selling beer? No? Yeah, And that's what you read over
and over again in these interviews with these women who

(15:04):
are involved in the industry, is like they show up
or they're at the brewery whatever, and people just assume
they're like, you know, like promotional women like the bud
light girl or whoever. He's just there to give you
necklaces and shock glasses to at the beer. Yeah, you know,
the whole stereotypical having a bit of a hard time
getting taken seriously. Yeah. And for for Bound Soil, it

(15:26):
was just interesting to read too about how once she
started kind of hanging out around the brew process and
got more and more involved with her husband as they
were making beer, she just grew to love the process
of it and now is a master brewer. I would
love if I knew how to do it and I
had the gumption. I don't know if I have the

(15:48):
patience for it. Yeah, it's like because it's such a
I'm I don't know. I've I enjoy making coffee, for instance,
because I can it'll be in my cup and I
can be drinking it and ten men. Yeah exactly. Um, Well,
in we have Kim Jordan's She started the New Belgium
Brewery with her then husband and today she's still the CEO,

(16:10):
and New Belgium happens to be the third largest craft
brewery in the US. Yeah. If you're looking up information
about women in craft brewing, Kim Jordan's name comes up
over and over and over again because she's kind of
held up as the most successful woman in craft beer,
especially because New Belgium has become such a popular label

(16:33):
in recent years. Yeah, and NPR noted that she does
have a lot of women in top leadership positions in
her company. So it's it's a good example of women
helping women. Yeah. Absolutely, So why though, aside from beer
being awesome, why are women particularly attracted to craft brewing?
What's going on here, Caroline? Well, one of the thoughts

(16:55):
is that it has this emphasis on creative flavors and
food pairing as well as, like I mentioned earlier, the
d I Y hobby culture, you know, like pinterest is
all the rage. So I don't know, maybe there's some
good beer recipe flitting around with interest. Yeah, I think
it is part of this. When we talked about it
a lot in our craft Revival slash Etsy episode where

(17:17):
um and even the new Domesticity interview that we had
a while back with Emily Matcher about how they're right
now in particular, there is this appreciation for making our
own goods, and I think the beer is part of that.
And also with our wine episode, there's some findings of
how women are especially drawn to wine and food pairings,

(17:40):
like they want to they pick something out based on
what the entire meal will be, yeah, right, and and
discussing palettes and things like that, different different flavor notes
and all that stuff. Yeah. I mean it's interesting, like
there there I know plenty of people unfortunately unfortunately for them,
who think that all beer tastes the same is gross.
But there I'm mean especially you'll notice it if you're

(18:02):
drinking one type of amazing beer and switch to another
type of amazing beer. You can immediately tell like how
different the flavors are, you know. And that's not even
to talk about going from that's just brand brand, I'm
you know, I'm not even talking about type to type
right well, and that's the that question of what type
of beer do women like? Um is a little bit
insulting because there is the assumption that women will only

(18:23):
want usually like a very fruity beer like a lambic
or something um like. I don't know. The first thing
that pops into my head is like a beat of
purple haze, which is a little raspberry flavored. You just
squinched your nose, I know, Well, because what's the one
I I know it's obvious, but it's escaping. What's one
that tastes like blueberries? Uh? Um, sweetwater blue? I cannot

(18:45):
drink it. I cannot give me. Give me fruit any
day in a bowl, I will eat it. Do not
put fruit in my beer unless it's like, you know,
like a wheat beer with an orange in it. But
I'm talking about like I don't like flavored. Yeah, well
a lot of times they're very sweet. And um, the
more that women are getting involved in craft beer and
doing tastings and more research is being paid or at

(19:08):
least as demographic as even being acknowledged, there's now there's
almost astonishment at the wide range of beers that different
women enjoy. Like we probably have different beer palettes because
everybody probably has a slightly different beer palette, but apparently
women really enjoy sours we don't love. I PA is

(19:30):
like all I drink, I enjoying I PA as well.
So I feel like those kinds of uh surveys are
it should always be taken with a grain of salt,
because I mean, it's just different people are gonna like
different kinds of things. And even the weather, the type
of weather outside, is going to determine the kind of
beer I want. And I mean, and I'm quite a
novice when it comes to beer. And I was talking

(19:53):
to my older sister, who knows far more about beer
and wine and coffee about this, and I mean, since
ours Caroline. Twenty minutes later, she had listed off all
of these different recommendations and all of these different things,
and I was, what is what is that? What is sours?
Apparently it's and I hope I'm not going to butcher this,

(20:14):
but from what I understand, it's it is a little
bit more fruit forward, but not super sweet like a
lambic um. It is, as the name implies, a touch sour. Yeah.
And they think that it has to be that women
might like it a little bit more because our because
of the differences in our taste buds, that we might
detect sweet and sour a little bit more, and that

(20:38):
women might not enjoy I p A s as much
because our bitter taste buds are also a little bit
more active than men's. Yeah. See, I I will drink
I p a all day long. Um. But darker beers,
like really really dark beers for some reason, And I'm sorry,
send me hate mail or or an explanation if anybody

(21:00):
there is a beer science nerd person or free beer
Why do some of those dark beer's tastes like soy sauce? Oh?
I get that. Yeah, maybe I just have a superior
sense of my mommy sense. Man. We could just I
wish we had just turned this podcast into a virtual
beer tasting um and I hope that right now listeners
are thinking of the beers and the types of like

(21:22):
in the labels that they enjoy, because I am all
for trying new kinds of beers, so be sure to
let us know the kinds of you like. But next up,
we want to talk about one other reason that more
and more women are being drawn into craft beer, and
that's due to specific organizations that are advocating for women

(21:43):
to brew and enjoy beer. And we're going to talk
about that when we come right back from a quick break.
So we were just discussing pretty much ad nauseum our
own personal preferences for beer, and I was getting for
suggests um. But there is one major influence on more

(22:04):
women getting involved in the craft beer industry, and that
is other women being in the craft beer industry. You
have people like Terry Farrendorff, who started the Pink Boots
Society UH founded in two thousand seven. Farrendorf was a
brew master for twenty years and she basically saw this
need for more women to actually be educated about beer,

(22:28):
enjoy beer, and start brewing their own. Yeah, the the
idea for Pink Boots started when she went on a
cross country tour of all these different breweries and she
was struck with how few women she saw on the
brewery floors actually making the beer, and also from her
own experience as a brew master, having men assumed that

(22:50):
she wasn't strong enough to brew beer, didn't have the
palette for it, just like couldn't do it by virtue
of her being a woman. And I mean, she's all
so just highly accomplished. She was, for instance, the first
female class president in the history of the Civil Institute
of Brewing Technology in Chicago, where she went. She was
the first female brewmaster in craft brewing in the US,

(23:14):
and the first woman brewmaster in California and Oregon's craft
brewery industries. And so she is, you know, beyond qualified
to start this organization that now both more than eight
hundred members. And there's plenty of other organizations and ladies
only brewing events that you can look up on the internet.
I highly recommended groups like Barley's Angels, which is a

(23:37):
network in several states actually that sets up woman only
beer nights at local bars. You can go drink, learn
about what you're drinking, make friends, all that good stuff.
There's also women Enjoying Beer dot Com, uh, Eagle Rock Breweries,
Women's Beer Forum, and on and on and on. Yeah,
I feel like the more beer festivals that you see
to the more uh people you see there specifically promoting

(24:02):
women and beer, whether it's like women run labels or
these events for inviting women to come in and try
different beers and perhaps a less intimidating setting where you know,
men might not just assume that they want some blueberry
beer and that's it, and nothing wrong with blueberry beer
if that's your jam, it's totally fine, um and uh.

(24:24):
But but it's really cool to see this kind of
you know, this kind of grassroots organization happening. And a
side note, if you're curious as to why Pink Boot Society,
it's called the Pink Boots Society. Um, it's because Terry
Ferendorff's um brewing boots are pink. And it's just kind
of a thing of like, yeah, we're brewing beer and
we're doing it in pink boots. So that's what that means.

(24:46):
So it's great that there are all these efforts going
on to encourage more women to get involved in the industry,
brother Bear, enjoy the beer, get involved, all this good stuff,
But there's still so many hurdles, it seems like for
women to even drink a beer in the first place,
there's all of these assumptions that beer is just a
man thing. I mean, we still see ridiculous ads out

(25:08):
there that are targeting men with just like Busty Broad
selling their booze and it's like, no, um, hello, there's
like other women out here who would like to drink
beer too. One thing that I've noticed as well in
terms of the masculinization of beer. Um and and we
talked about like gendering and alcohol two in our wine episode,
Like you see it all over the place. Pick a

(25:28):
type of liquor or alcohol and it's it's probably gendered
in its advertising. Um. But one thing I've noticed is
how cider is often considered more of a girlier drink.
And but I've seen a couple of cider companies specifically
with the way that they advertise male voices and are

(25:52):
they're trying to sell cider to a male customer, Like
It's just it's just so clear in the way that
they're selling like this is its cider. This is hard
apple man smash or something. You know. Uh, so it's
it's it's kind of interesting to watch. But there are
companies too that are that want to acknowledge that, yes,

(26:15):
female beer beer drinkers absolutely exists, so let's cater to them.
But the efforts have been mixed. For instance, Danish beer
Carlsberg tried a couple of years ago to sell this
what it called gender neutral malt, wheat and rice logger,
which sounds interesting actually I'll try it, um, But it

(26:37):
was so clearly just targeted at women. They were saying
it was gender neutral, but it was. It was very feminine. Yeah,
it was in it's in a crystal clear bottle. It's
a very light logger. The labels white, there's like gold
lettering and all the stuff, and and it made me wonder.
It actually made me wonder about all the beers I drank.
I had to go through all the labels and I
was like, do I consider any of them gendered labels? Yeah?

(27:02):
I don't think so. I mean even if you look
at like a bud light, can there's nothing about a
bud light can it says men, right, I mean right, yeah,
it's um it doesn't seem like the answer to getting
more women to drink beer is to feminize the design.
Perhaps maybe just remove some of the old stereotypical you know,

(27:27):
bikini clad babes serving guys beers and commercials. That would
probably be helpful. I mean, the fact of the matter is,
too women drink less beer than guys. Do. We prefer wine.
Of women, at least according to an August Gallop pole,
of women prefer wine over other alcoholic beverages, whereas of

(27:50):
men prefer beer. But we are drinking more beer than
ever before, do partially to this rise in craft beer. Yeah,
I think it's nice to sort of get the craft
beer word out there that there are other options. I mean,
maybe there are people, both women and men, who aren't
drinking beer because they think it all tastes like Miller
something something something, you know, But there's there's other and

(28:12):
better things out there. Yeah. And there was even uh,
this was so appropriate for this episode. There was one
beer that was developed for to promote international Women's Date
and I wasn't able to find it. Um, but there's
actually a craft beer called Feminist Beer and and and
the brand that puts it out is also escaping me,

(28:34):
but they're here, and there are these like overt kind
of hey, ladies, listen up, we get you here, you go. Yeah,
drive feminist beer. Sure, um, And I would if anybody
wants to send it to me. Yeah. Sure. If you've
got a six pack of feminist beer, send it our way. Um.
And there was a good point put forth though by

(28:54):
Serious Eats recently um in a roundup that they were
doing of like five things that you need to know
about the craft beer industry, and they say that women
have solidified their place in beer as drinkers, brewers, lab texts, monsters,
sales reps, bar owners, and homebrewers, but they also continue
to show up half naked on beer labels or caught

(29:15):
up in insulting double entendres. So it's like we've we're
making progress beer wise, but there's still that kind of
implicit sexism of the assumption that it is a guy's drink,
that women don't necessarily have the chops to make it,
that we don't really take it seriously, right. But an
encouraging sign is that one of the articles we read

(29:37):
was pointing out that both women and younger men in
general are turned off by these like stereotypically like super
hyper masculine. Uh, men being served by busty broads with
their beer, right, I mean turned off by that ad? Yeah,
because those kinds of ads are not just insulting to women,
they're also insulting to men. Sure, so maybe there's there's

(29:57):
hope a little bit there for as far as marketing anyway. Yeah,
and of all the interviews that I read of women
who are either involved in homebrewing or larger craft breweries,
they acknowledge that, yeah, there is still some of this
implicit sexism that they run up against, of the perceptions
that they might just be shot girls sort of. Um,

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but that overall the sense that you know, it is
improving and that a lot of times it's just an
exposure thing. Guys are surprised to see them because we're
still a minority in that industry. But now we want
to hear from you, fair listeners. What are your thoughts
on women and beer also just beer in general. If
you have beer recommendations for Caroline and me, we heartily

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accept all of them and we will probably try all
of them. Were beer fans. Not everybody's a beer fan either.
That's totally fine. Um, but I encourage you to try
try different beers, support craft breweries. I mean, it's I
think it's a cool, a cool thing that's happening. It's
an interesting renaissance a foot, and I am very excited

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about it. Yeah, and if there are any brewers listening,
we would love to hear your inside perspective on women
in the industry. So share your beer thoughts, Brewsters, brewers
one and all. Moms Stuff at discovery dot com is
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and we have a couple of messages to share with you.
So I've got a couple of letters here about our
episode Hey Ladies, Ema Rights very interesting podcast. I actually
had no idea that the word lady had a negative history,
but now, thanks to you lovely ladies, I do. Interestingly.

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When I was five years old, my idea of being
a lady was a very desirable idea. I thought ladies
were beautiful, confident, and well respected. I also like the
idea of wearing my mom's lipstick. I liked this so
much that one day, when my mother asked me where
I wanted to be for Halloween, I responded, without hesitation,
a lady. I have no idea what my mother thought

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initially about my very confident response, but I'm happy to
say that my mother did actually let me pick out
my costume so that I could be the best lady.
In my five year old imagination. I dressed up in
what I think was a Cinderella nightgown, pink leggings, and
smothered my face and face paint close to what I
imagined makeup should look like on a pretty lady. Long

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story short, I ended up being rolled around our local
grocery store in a wagon dressed as a lady, throwing
out chocolate Looney's too unsuspecting shoppers while yelling Happy Halloween
from the ladies. That might be the most adorable thing
I've ever heard. Yeah, we just had to take a

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laugh break on that one. She she signs off. I
guess I was a bit of a strange kid, Oh, Emma,
no stranger than Caroline and me. I assure you I
still put on my paint leggings under my Cinderella night gowns.
Do you want me to pull you in a wagon
through at their grocery store? Long? Dos you give me chocolate?
I'm fine, Okay. This is from Sarah. She says, I'm

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American but have grown up in the UK and spent
my middle in high school years at a school called
Harrowgate Ladies College. No, we didn't have to balance books
on our heads or have daily tea parties, but we
did go to chapel four times a week and had
to wear fifteen pound floor length woolen cloaks while doing so.
I tried to think of how often we were actually
referred to collectively as ladies, but we were more commonly

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referred to as girls, both by teachers when addressing us
as a group and when referring to certain sets of people.
Students who didn't board were called day girls. Students who
had graduated and came back to visit we're old girls,
even if they happened to be in their fifties or
sixties at the time. I love the podcast. Keep up
the good work, female humans, and thank you for the
letter female listeners, Sarah, and thanks to all of us

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