June 27, 2025 • 34 mins
Yaa Asantewaa has a storied history of leadership and fighting for her beliefs. Yves sheds light on her life and accomplishments.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff
I've never told you, protection of iHeart Radio. And welcome
to another edition of Female First, which means we are
once again joined by the worldly, the well traveled Eves.
(00:26):
Welcome e Hi, thank you, Thank you for the introduction,
always always, thanks always for being with us as you
travel the world. I feel like you could have your
own Where in the world is Eaves right now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Show? But yeah? What have you been up to since
we last spoke, Eve?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I have been a couple of places. I have been.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
House sitting.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I've been in Asheville. I'm currently in Seattle, and I
have been really chilling.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Oh, y'all. I have been sewing.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And I don't know if I brought it up to y'all,
but I have three sewing machines. So I have one
that I got in high school. I have one that
was my grandmother's that I don't use, but it's one
of those old table ones.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
And it's in the house.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And then I have another singer one just because I
liked the old wooden singer ones with the iron bases,
and so I have one of those two. And when
I got that one, I got it from my husband
got it from me from an estate sale because I
had wanted it. I had seen it previously years before
in a good will and just was so sad that
I never got it from the good will. I just
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missed my opportunity to buy it. And that's not a
normal thing to find in a good will. And so
he got it for me when he saw it in
the state sale. And that one actually had a bunch
of the owner's old supplies in it, so it already
had like chalks, it had bobbins, it had needles, it
had just you know, threads. It had some stuff in
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there too, so I got some different colors of thread
from that. But yeah, so anyway, I was like, let
me you know, I was making some books will, getting
back into book binding as I was before, slash more
into it than I was before, because I had always
wanted to. And I was like, why not make some
like some covers for the books to keep them safe
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because it's easy for the fabric to get I made
one for myself and I put fabric on them. It's
easy for it to get a little bit dirtier when
you carried it around everywhere with you. That turned into
drawstring bags, and so I was like it was one
of those things where I started and I couldn't stop.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I couldn't do anything else.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I just became obsessed with it for the period of
time because I had, like some people I wanted to
make them for. So I was just you know, in
the grind, nose down, foot on the pedal literally and
like just cranking them out. So I actually like I
was spending a lot of time doing that when I
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was in Ashville. And just like when I go places
I like to kind of especially if it's a place
I've been before and I just like the feel of
that place. I can be chill like I can just
I cannot try to go out and do something every
single day. And it's nice when like the neighbors are cool,
the neighborhood is cool, and I'm hanging out with cats
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usually so very cool too.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Man, you just threw me back. Like I remember my
mom had her grandmother's old sewing machine that was more
decoration and it was one of that flipped up with
the foot pedal, and I would go pretend I knew
what I was doing and act like I was sewing.
I do not, and I'm so envious of people making things,
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Like I really wish I could just crap things and
make things for people, But I don't have the patience
or attention span apparently. But that's amazing. That's a great
fine jealous. I'm gonna need a drawstream back soon.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Okay, I got you.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Look, I'm as soon as I can sit back down
there and get a bunch of them done. Now I
know how to do it by heart, Like, hopefully I
start getting better at the execution of the craft, because
you know, there's some things I'm like, I don't know
why the straight line is so hard? Like why is
a straight line so hard?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So really is a talent.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It's a talent, and I realized that I like to
be good at things quickly. But it's so it's nice
to actually have something to focus on being good at
because now I have the motivation.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
So I've started.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'm not great at it, so I think that's part
of the other thing that was pushing me. It's like, Okay,
I'm not good at this. I gotta get good at it.
But it does still feel very intimidating because that's a
whole world and so so so many people have been
doing it so long just as part of their own sustenance,
like not not even commercially. A lot of people do
it commercially, Like I know it's not an uncommon task,
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but it's also one that or skill, I should say,
But it's also one that has so much context, like
there are so many stitches, there are so many fabrics,
what weight of thread and what needle?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
This machine does this? This does this? So yeah, it can.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It can be intimidating, but I think it's like a
worthwhile It's a worthwhile hobby for me, and that's what
it is right now. It's not anything but a hobby.
And I really like making making gifts for people, Like
I've stopped giving gifts in the last like three years.
I don't really give gifts for like occasions anymore, but
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I like giving gifts just because so especially himmade ones.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I love that. And it is true, like.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That kind of entry level can be tough because people
use terminology that if they've been in the realm for
a while, they don't realize the newcomer might be like,
I don't know what you mean by any of this,
but it is it's really rewarding to make your own things.
See it come to fruition. I would love to just
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look at what you've created. I'm so excited by this.
Oh oh, do you want to see it?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I know the people listening won't be able to see it,
but I can describe it if y'all want to see
it right now.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yes, I had two different covers.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So the backstory on these is I made them orange
because a couple of these were the bags these were going.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
To like some monks and.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Some of the people that are part of the organization
that I go to. So that's why they're orange.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
It's like saffron is the color of robes. It's like
the monk color. And this is one of the cover.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
The this is to Tangey fabric from I got this
from Zambia. The fabric, so I had a bunch a
boatload of fabric that I hadn't used because I wanted
somebody to make clothing with it. But the price is
here for clothing, just like the tailoring prices. Finding somebody
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to do it, like I would go to places that
sell things with the fabric, but they'll be like, no,
we don't tailor, we don't tailor things from scratch. And
then I know that the price for a custom outfit
here would be like outrageous as compared to it would
be if I were like on the continent of Africa.
So I just I'm like, I'm just gonna wait, and
in the meantime, the ones that I'm the fabrics that
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I'm down for making book covers with, I'll just do
that instead. So I'll probably make try to figure out
what else I can make with the fabrics. Yeah, And
so it's orange and blue on the cover. It's got
like kind of like a snaking pattern and some chevron ing.
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It's like black orange and blue. And then the end
papers inside of the book are like orange.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's kind of like the water it's UNSETI water colory situation.
And it's a coptic stitch bind so you can see
the exposed signatures of the book on the side of
the book and some three stitches with orange thread going
down the side. And then the bags have just like
a little cloths or cotton drawstring on it. And there's
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like a leaf stitching because the my machine has a
decorative leaf.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Stitch on it. So I decided to do that for it.
Thank you great job. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I want one.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
That's like it's fine. Order where do I go? Make place?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Order?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Please?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This is I mean when it's funny, because when Samantha
got into punch needling, it was almost the opposite.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It was like, you're taking this.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, I was forcing people to take coasters, which I
still have a thing for Annie that I haven't completely
finished because I don't like hot glue guns.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Oh but I gotta fig at it because they're so dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well like yes, and also I'm just I feel like
I'm a toddler when it comes to craft. So it's
gonna have like glue everywhere, or it's gonna be puffy,
and I'm gonna be very upset when it's puffy instead
of looking like the picture. It's kind of like how
you're talking about you. I do not I'm not good
at not being good at it immediately. And if I'm
not immediately good at it, I pretty much quit when
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it comes to stuff like that about myself.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
But the steaks are lower though that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It should be, But in my head I fell that.
I quit. Yeah, good attitude, I know, No.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I get it. I really do well.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I would say the person we're talking about today did
not really get it. And this is another story where
I'm like, I can't believe I've never heard of this.
I'm excited, this is I'm just really angry. I'm it's
never been on my radar before. So who are we
talking about today? Today we'll be talking about Nanna ya
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as Santois. So I'm doing my best to pronounce.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I am really excited to talk about her though, because
she is a big figure in Ashanti in Ghanaian history,
because she was the first and only woman to be
a war leader in Ashanti history. So her story is
really fascinating, and this is one of the cases where
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her legacy.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Has been celebrated.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
You know, after everything that she accomplished, after her life story,
she is still being talked about and considered as a hero.
So I am you know, we're talking about her today,
but I'm looking forward to learning more about her too,
because you know, her history is very rich, but it's
also really tied into the history of imperialism, the history
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of colonialism, the history of the Ashanti people, the history
of Ghana. I mean, there's a lot of political history here,
in social history, cultural history that is a part of
the story that we're not going to fully be able
to talk about today that I would like to delve
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deeper into as well. So yeah, that's who we're talking
about today. Shall we get started, Yes, So a lot
of the life of y'ah ascentois has been passed down
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through oral history. She was born in Bessiase near Eduiso,
which is near Kumasi, which is what's in now southwest Ghana.
So it's not clear exactly when she was born, but
there are estimates that she would have been born around
eighteen thirty and it is known that she lives to
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an older age because of records of how old she
was at specific periods of time or how old she
appeared to be at specific periods of time, like, for instance,
according to a census in say Sales, which is where
she ends up later in nineteen twelve, since it's there
in nineteen twelve, she was estimated to be about eighty
years old at the time, so from that we can
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kind of estimate how old or when she was born.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So her mother was part of.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The Asona matrilineal royal clan of that Westo state, and
she had one sibling who was a brother. She also
grew up in Bessisa, so she stayed there for a
while and she and her brother worked the land near
their home. And she was married and she and her
husband had one child. And at some point yah Centoi
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moved and she continued to maintain and extend her farms.
Her brother became ed Wesso haney Our ruler of Edwssu
under the stole name of Afran and Panin. And when
her brother was king of Edusso, he appointed her queen
mother of Edusso of the Ashanti Empire. Her brother, though,
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died in eighteen ninety four and she used her right
as queen mother to nominate her grandson as ruler of
Utwssu So. A little bit on that history of the area,
which is that the Gold Coast which is in present
day Ghana. It became a British Crown colony in the
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early eighteen hundreds. The Ashanti people controlled much of present
day Ghana and Kumasi was the Shanti capital. So throughout
the eighteen hundreds, the Shanti people they fought wars against
British colonization as the British attempted to expand their territory
as they do just come to a place and say
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this is mine and more of this will be mine.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
So not a new story.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That was the case in this area, and the Ashanti
people were not having it. They were like of course
there were people who were more accepting of it, but
there was a lot of resistance effort to British rule.
And in eighteen ninety three, the Colonial Secretary and acting
Governor of the Gold Coast Colony, whose name was Frederick Hodgson,
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he invited the Ashanti people to become a British protectorate.
But Nana Prempa, the first who was the Sante Henay
or the ruler, rejected this offer. And in eighteen ninety six,
Sarah William Maxwell, who was Governor of the Gold Coast,
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went to Camasi and had the Santa Henay his mother
and other rulers and advisors arrested. They were shipped off
to other places. So they were sent to Almina, Freetown
and they went to say sales and yeah Assantoi's grandson
Frane was arrested and exiled along with Nana Prempe and
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yeah A. Santois then became the queen mother of the state.
She had rule over the area after he was exiled,
so the Ashanti Kingdom was then declared a protectorate. Kumasi
had to be administered by a representative of the Gold
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Coast Governor and supported by a committee of local chiefs.
And of course the British continued to put forth measures
where they exerted their will and their force to establish dominance.
So they did things like instituted ways to collect money,
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making people labor for public works, which apparently was not
like that's not they weren't into that. So even if
they were at you know, a higher level of rule,
but also everyday people didn't want that for themselves, and
so the British also wanted possession of the Golden stool,
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so you'll also see this war called the War of
the Golden Stool. The golden stool is very important in
a Shanti and for the Ashanti people. It's believed to
be a really sacred symbol of the Shanti people. It
holds their souls, it unifies them, it brings them together,
it gives them prosperity and strength, so it's it's really important.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
It's guarded, it's held close.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
The British thought though of course without regard to to
to to cultural history and to status quo of the
people that they claimed were inferior and that they came
to rule over. They were just like, I think we'll
take control of this. You know, this will be great
if we capture this golden stool. We take this golden stool.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
It'll be.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Symbolic of how much dominion that we have over you. Also,
it would have the effect of perhaps destroying a shanty
morale in unity and so. On March twenty eighth, nineteen hundred,
the Gold Coast Governor Frederick Hodgson addressed Ashanti rulers and
he told them that they had to surrender, among other
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things in the address, but he told them that they
had to surrender the golden stool to British authorities. Yeah,
A Centois was at the meeting. She was like, how
how y'all just going to sit here and listen to
these ridiculous demands like this is not okay. So that
evening the chiefs had a meeting in Kumasi Yah. Centoine
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was there and they discussed how to fight the British
and how to bring back the sante Hena or the
king who had been exiled and it was clear that
the Ashanti were being demanded, they were being forced to
give up their institutions and their rule and bout down
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to the British. But they were resolved not to submit
to British rule. And so at the meeting, y'ah as
Santoine was like taking a back that some of the
chiefs and so there's not I'll say that there's not
perfect record. There's not like play by play, line by
line record of what happened in this meeting. So there's
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there's not an official record of what happened in the meeting,
but there are some people who have recounted what happened
in the meeting. But yeah, Santoine was taken aback by
the fact that some of the chiefs wanted to ask
the British to restore the king, like just ask them.
She said, quote, is it true that the bravery of
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the Ashanti is no more? I cannot believe it. It
cannot be. I must say this, If you, the men
of Ashanti will not go forward, then we will we
the women will. I shall call upon my fellow women.
We will fight the white men. We will fight until
the last of us falls in the battlefields. So undoubted
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that's probably a paraphrasing of what she said during that time,
but that is what is recorded as what she said
now the very least is the sentiment of how she
felt at the time. So it's unclear to what extent
her her sentiments and how she vocalized them really how
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much that was a factor in how that pushed people
to move forward and their resistance effort. But it seems
like it did encourage people to push forward in their
resistance effort in addition to people his own feelings about
resistance and how they would move forward with it, and
also other leaders sway. So they ended up choosing her
to leave the resistance though, and she did accept the role.
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So there is a two thousand and seven essay by
TC McCaskey and the author says this. In the essay,
the author says, quote, Yeah, a Centois military involvement was
inspired in part by patriotism or a comprehensible xenophobia and
her embittered family feeling. Nevertheless, the reason she took such
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a prominent role against the British was that she did
indeed desire the return of Agamin Primpa, which was the
king who had been exiled.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
That's the end of the quote.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
By the way, so yes, I was trying to understand
the context of why they chose her in that moment,
which seemed its his historians and scholars who have commented
on why she was chosen. It wasn't if she was first,
but it wasn't fully uncommon for women to have positions
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of power. It wasn't fully it wasn't completely rare. It
wasn't like it was non existent that women had a
say in certain things and had rule in certain ways,
but this was a role that had never been inhabited
by anybody before yeah Centoi. So there's there that is
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a little bit of insight into why she might have
chosen to be the war leader. It also could have
been that choosing a high figure from Kumbasi, where the
British colonial administration was would have been risky, but clearly
Nanaya Ascentoi had proven that she would be a highly
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capable leader and so thus begins the Yahs and TWA War.
She would have been around her fifties or sixties when
she led the Yeahs and TWI War, which lasted from
around March until September nineteen hundred. As I've seen it
put in essays. It was like it was like it
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was like a back of the force position. She wasn't
on the front lines per se as the war leader
that she was.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
The role was.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Actually to plan strategy, to strategize, to come up with
tactics for war, to mobilize the forces, to gather the
materials for it, to declare agreements like the truces, and to.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Negotiate for peace.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
So over the course of her time and the position,
her support from the Ashanti grew. The resistance late siege
to Afford at Kamasi that the British were posted up in.
But after a couple of months the British did't to
force them to shut down the uprising and the British
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did end up capturing Kamasi and eventually the Shanti territories
became a British Crown colony. But the Ashanti did what
they set forth in doing. Their mission was to protect
the Golden Stool, and they did They did do that.
So it became known as the Yasinwa War because the
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Queen Mother was the leader of the effort to fight
the British rule of the Ashanti Kingdom. But it's also
been called the War of the the Golden Stool, also
seen it referred to as like Ashanti Uprising or things
like that, noting the significance of their their resistance. Basically
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first so Yeah, in nineteen oh one, yahs and TWA
and the other chiefs were arrested and they were sent
into exile in Sechel for twenty five years. So the
Shanti territories became British Crown colonies and Ya Centoi ended
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up dying in seychell in October of nineteen twenty one.
A few years after that, King Prempe the First was
repatriated back to Kumasi and in nineteen twenty eight he
was able to negotiate for the remains of all the
people who had died in exile to be exhumed and
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returned back to Ghana, so that included ya Centoi. In
nineteen thirty her remains made it back to Kamasi. She
was buried in her royal lineages cemetery in Eduso and
it wasn't until nineteen fifty seven, which would have been
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over the last thirty five years after Yasintwa died, that
Ghana gained its independence, and it was at that point
when the former Ashanti and Gold Coast colonies became part
of the newly independent Ghana, and there was a museum
that was dedicated in her name that had a lot
in two thousand that had a lot of her belongings
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in it. A fire did destroy it and then there
was later an effort to bring that museum back. There
have also been documentaries about her, and she has been
honored and is still honored and celebrated as a hero
and warrior queen. That's the story of Yasinta.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Like I said, this whole story, I'm so angry that
I hadn't heard it before. That's really really interesting and
I do wish we had more more information and maybe
it's out there, but like more of the first hand accounts,
because I'm just so intrigued by her and her personality
and to be like, what what are we talking about here?
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That's not what we're going to do. I'm just so
I'm so interested in her and how she became this
leader or was this leader but got people to be like, yes,
you so it's always Eves. Thanks for bringing these stories
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to us.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, I uh too, was like I really I feel
like I should know a lot more about her and
about her story, and I should have known it for
a while, so it's nice to be able to share it.
And also it's like, I'm always interested in what where
a person derives their courage from.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Because.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
There are so many instances when we're talking about these
women in history when they are singular and they're pioneering.
So I would imagine that it takes a lot of
a lot of guts and a lot of skill to
be able to take on these roles and be so
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forward about it and be so outspoken. So yeah, but
in Ghana, there are still plenty of people who know
way more about her story than I do, and people
who are in her lineage who can speak speak to that.
But I think there is always something missing when there
isn't first hand accounts to help us be able to
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characterize a person in their own words. So there's always
something missing there, And I always to part of y'all
know that part of something I love about out hearing
people talk about themselves in their own words is all
the last they have themselves, Because I'm just always interested
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in people creating their own mythology. So yeah, it would
have been cool to have more of that from Yasini,
but fortunately there are there are many many people who
are preserving her legacy there today, and descendants and people
in her lineage who are there to tell her story.
And then because they do so, I'm able to talk
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about it today.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yes, and we always appreciate the people doing that work.
And I do also love the lies people tell about themselves,
like presumably sometimes you would think no one even is
ever going to read this, but still this is the
story I'm crafted through. Yeah, it's great. I actually run
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into this a lot over on the Food podcast. I
do savor where and like, I feel this company should
have a more concrete answer to when did they start?
But it's like it told was an idea the fifteen hundreds,
Like no, when was it? But it's in their interest
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to kind of tell this, like yeah, this story. So
I find that interesting too.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I wonder do you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You probably run into a lot of the origin stories
for names as well, so not just like company when
a company was created, but like how did their name
come up?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
And it is kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I see stories about people being like I think it
came from this, or it might have come from this.
It's like how did somebody not know where the name
came from? That seems like a big part of the
founding of a company. Oh yeah, half the.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Time we were like, nobody knows. Here's a fun story
people like to tell, but nobody knows. Yeah, but you
would think somebody somewhere would, but they often don't. And
it's just it's interesting to hear the stories people or
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companies tell. Yeah themselves for sure.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Why I'm an advocate for everybody listening telling their own
stories in some way and like memorializing them, documenting them
because I know that you know, sometimes it can seem
kind of self indulgent for us to tell our own
stories in a way where we're like or self aggrandizing,
like where it feels like, oh, we're talking about us,
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I'm talking about myself. Why would anybody want to read
my story? But it's like you have no idea, like
or maybe you do, but most people that I know
don't know when they're going to die, so there's not
really a point in waiting. And especially our memory feels
us and it changes as we age. So you know,
the story that you tell about yourself in your twenties,
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when you're seventy would be different than the story you
tell about yourself when you're in your thirties about your twenties.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
So yeah, tell your story now tell it now, lie
about yourself, lie about it.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I love it yourself up now. I keep it every
time I travel.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I like, every day I write a journal entry and
I have to say, like, you know, years later, looking back,
I'm glad that I did, because I'll forget something and
then i'll read it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I do remember,
yeah this thing. So you know, I guess in that way,
you can lie to yourself even in the future, but
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you should also be truthful if you would like.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, I like these options. You can lie about yourself,
you can be truthful, just just just write it.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And I feel like she specifically was a woman of action,
so she was probably like, nag, I get this done.
I don't have time for this, which is sad for
us because we want more. But she was so larger
than life on her own actions that it's kind of like, yeah,
I got as she told them, Oh fine, I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
You don't have the courage. I got this mm hm,
which I'll want.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, we're named after.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I'm like, what, yeah, yeah, well, thank us always, Eves
for joining us, for bringing this story.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Where can the good listeners find you?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Y'all can head to my website first, so that's Eve's
Jeffcote dot com. My name is spelled y V E
S j E F F c O A T dot com. Uh.
For those of y'all who already know how to spell
my name, you're probably sick of me here is spelled
sick of sharing me. Spell that every single time, but
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to another edition of Female First, which means we are
once again joined by the worldly, the well traveled Eves.
(00:26):
Welcome e Hi, thank you, Thank you for the introduction,
always always, thanks always for being with us as you
travel the world. I feel like you could have your
own Where in the world is Eaves right now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Show? But yeah? What have you been up to since
we last spoke, Eve?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I have been a couple of places. I have been.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
House sitting.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I've been in Asheville. I'm currently in Seattle, and I
have been really chilling.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Oh, y'all. I have been sewing.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And I don't know if I brought it up to y'all,
but I have three sewing machines. So I have one
that I got in high school. I have one that
was my grandmother's that I don't use, but it's one
of those old table ones.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
And it's in the house.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And then I have another singer one just because I
liked the old wooden singer ones with the iron bases,
and so I have one of those two. And when
I got that one, I got it from my husband
got it from me from an estate sale because I
had wanted it. I had seen it previously years before
in a good will and just was so sad that
I never got it from the good will. I just
(01:36):
missed my opportunity to buy it. And that's not a
normal thing to find in a good will. And so
he got it for me when he saw it in
the state sale. And that one actually had a bunch
of the owner's old supplies in it, so it already
had like chalks, it had bobbins, it had needles, it
had just you know, threads. It had some stuff in
(01:58):
there too, so I got some different colors of thread
from that. But yeah, so anyway, I was like, let
me you know, I was making some books will, getting
back into book binding as I was before, slash more
into it than I was before, because I had always
wanted to. And I was like, why not make some
like some covers for the books to keep them safe
(02:23):
because it's easy for the fabric to get I made
one for myself and I put fabric on them. It's
easy for it to get a little bit dirtier when
you carried it around everywhere with you. That turned into
drawstring bags, and so I was like it was one
of those things where I started and I couldn't stop.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I couldn't do anything else.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I just became obsessed with it for the period of
time because I had, like some people I wanted to
make them for. So I was just you know, in
the grind, nose down, foot on the pedal literally and
like just cranking them out. So I actually like I
was spending a lot of time doing that when I
(03:03):
was in Ashville. And just like when I go places
I like to kind of especially if it's a place
I've been before and I just like the feel of
that place. I can be chill like I can just
I cannot try to go out and do something every
single day. And it's nice when like the neighbors are cool,
the neighborhood is cool, and I'm hanging out with cats
(03:23):
usually so very cool too.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Man, you just threw me back. Like I remember my
mom had her grandmother's old sewing machine that was more
decoration and it was one of that flipped up with
the foot pedal, and I would go pretend I knew
what I was doing and act like I was sewing.
I do not, and I'm so envious of people making things,
(03:48):
Like I really wish I could just crap things and
make things for people, But I don't have the patience
or attention span apparently. But that's amazing. That's a great
fine jealous. I'm gonna need a drawstream back soon.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Okay, I got you.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Look, I'm as soon as I can sit back down
there and get a bunch of them done. Now I
know how to do it by heart, Like, hopefully I
start getting better at the execution of the craft, because
you know, there's some things I'm like, I don't know
why the straight line is so hard? Like why is
a straight line so hard?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So really is a talent.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It's a talent, and I realized that I like to
be good at things quickly. But it's so it's nice
to actually have something to focus on being good at
because now I have the motivation.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
So I've started.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'm not great at it, so I think that's part
of the other thing that was pushing me. It's like, Okay,
I'm not good at this. I gotta get good at it.
But it does still feel very intimidating because that's a
whole world and so so so many people have been
doing it so long just as part of their own sustenance,
like not not even commercially. A lot of people do
it commercially, Like I know it's not an uncommon task,
(04:54):
but it's also one that or skill, I should say,
But it's also one that has so much context, like
there are so many stitches, there are so many fabrics,
what weight of thread and what needle?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
This machine does this? This does this? So yeah, it can.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It can be intimidating, but I think it's like a
worthwhile It's a worthwhile hobby for me, and that's what
it is right now. It's not anything but a hobby.
And I really like making making gifts for people, Like
I've stopped giving gifts in the last like three years.
I don't really give gifts for like occasions anymore, but
(05:33):
I like giving gifts just because so especially himmade ones.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I love that. And it is true, like.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That kind of entry level can be tough because people
use terminology that if they've been in the realm for
a while, they don't realize the newcomer might be like,
I don't know what you mean by any of this,
but it is it's really rewarding to make your own things.
See it come to fruition. I would love to just
(06:05):
look at what you've created. I'm so excited by this.
Oh oh, do you want to see it?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I know the people listening won't be able to see it,
but I can describe it if y'all want to see
it right now.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yes, I had two different covers.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So the backstory on these is I made them orange
because a couple of these were the bags these were going.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
To like some monks and.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Some of the people that are part of the organization
that I go to. So that's why they're orange.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
It's like saffron is the color of robes. It's like
the monk color. And this is one of the cover.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
The this is to Tangey fabric from I got this
from Zambia. The fabric, so I had a bunch a
boatload of fabric that I hadn't used because I wanted
somebody to make clothing with it. But the price is
here for clothing, just like the tailoring prices. Finding somebody
(07:03):
to do it, like I would go to places that
sell things with the fabric, but they'll be like, no,
we don't tailor, we don't tailor things from scratch. And
then I know that the price for a custom outfit
here would be like outrageous as compared to it would
be if I were like on the continent of Africa.
So I just I'm like, I'm just gonna wait, and
in the meantime, the ones that I'm the fabrics that
(07:25):
I'm down for making book covers with, I'll just do
that instead. So I'll probably make try to figure out
what else I can make with the fabrics. Yeah, And
so it's orange and blue on the cover. It's got
like kind of like a snaking pattern and some chevron ing.
(07:45):
It's like black orange and blue. And then the end
papers inside of the book are like orange.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's kind of like the water it's UNSETI water colory situation.
And it's a coptic stitch bind so you can see
the exposed signatures of the book on the side of
the book and some three stitches with orange thread going
down the side. And then the bags have just like
a little cloths or cotton drawstring on it. And there's
(08:20):
like a leaf stitching because the my machine has a
decorative leaf.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Stitch on it. So I decided to do that for it.
Thank you great job. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I want one.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
That's like it's fine. Order where do I go? Make place?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Order?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Please?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This is I mean when it's funny, because when Samantha
got into punch needling, it was almost the opposite.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It was like, you're taking this.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, I was forcing people to take coasters, which I
still have a thing for Annie that I haven't completely
finished because I don't like hot glue guns.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Oh but I gotta fig at it because they're so dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well like yes, and also I'm just I feel like
I'm a toddler when it comes to craft. So it's
gonna have like glue everywhere, or it's gonna be puffy,
and I'm gonna be very upset when it's puffy instead
of looking like the picture. It's kind of like how
you're talking about you. I do not I'm not good
at not being good at it immediately. And if I'm
not immediately good at it, I pretty much quit when
(09:24):
it comes to stuff like that about myself.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
But the steaks are lower though that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It should be, But in my head I fell that.
I quit. Yeah, good attitude, I know, No.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I get it. I really do well.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I would say the person we're talking about today did
not really get it. And this is another story where
I'm like, I can't believe I've never heard of this.
I'm excited, this is I'm just really angry. I'm it's
never been on my radar before. So who are we
talking about today? Today we'll be talking about Nanna ya
(10:02):
as Santois. So I'm doing my best to pronounce.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I am really excited to talk about her though, because
she is a big figure in Ashanti in Ghanaian history,
because she was the first and only woman to be
a war leader in Ashanti history. So her story is
really fascinating, and this is one of the cases where
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her legacy.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Has been celebrated.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
You know, after everything that she accomplished, after her life story,
she is still being talked about and considered as a hero.
So I am you know, we're talking about her today,
but I'm looking forward to learning more about her too,
because you know, her history is very rich, but it's
also really tied into the history of imperialism, the history
(10:59):
of colonialism, the history of the Ashanti people, the history
of Ghana. I mean, there's a lot of political history here,
in social history, cultural history that is a part of
the story that we're not going to fully be able
to talk about today that I would like to delve
(11:20):
deeper into as well. So yeah, that's who we're talking
about today. Shall we get started, Yes, So a lot
of the life of y'ah ascentois has been passed down
(11:43):
through oral history. She was born in Bessiase near Eduiso,
which is near Kumasi, which is what's in now southwest Ghana.
So it's not clear exactly when she was born, but
there are estimates that she would have been born around
eighteen thirty and it is known that she lives to
(12:06):
an older age because of records of how old she
was at specific periods of time or how old she
appeared to be at specific periods of time, like, for instance,
according to a census in say Sales, which is where
she ends up later in nineteen twelve, since it's there
in nineteen twelve, she was estimated to be about eighty
years old at the time, so from that we can
(12:30):
kind of estimate how old or when she was born.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So her mother was part of.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The Asona matrilineal royal clan of that Westo state, and
she had one sibling who was a brother. She also
grew up in Bessisa, so she stayed there for a
while and she and her brother worked the land near
their home. And she was married and she and her
husband had one child. And at some point yah Centoi
(13:02):
moved and she continued to maintain and extend her farms.
Her brother became ed Wesso haney Our ruler of Edwssu
under the stole name of Afran and Panin. And when
her brother was king of Edusso, he appointed her queen
mother of Edusso of the Ashanti Empire. Her brother, though,
(13:24):
died in eighteen ninety four and she used her right
as queen mother to nominate her grandson as ruler of
Utwssu So. A little bit on that history of the area,
which is that the Gold Coast which is in present
day Ghana. It became a British Crown colony in the
(13:47):
early eighteen hundreds. The Ashanti people controlled much of present
day Ghana and Kumasi was the Shanti capital. So throughout
the eighteen hundreds, the Shanti people they fought wars against
British colonization as the British attempted to expand their territory
as they do just come to a place and say
(14:09):
this is mine and more of this will be mine.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
So not a new story.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That was the case in this area, and the Ashanti
people were not having it. They were like of course
there were people who were more accepting of it, but
there was a lot of resistance effort to British rule.
And in eighteen ninety three, the Colonial Secretary and acting
Governor of the Gold Coast Colony, whose name was Frederick Hodgson,
(14:35):
he invited the Ashanti people to become a British protectorate.
But Nana Prempa, the first who was the Sante Henay
or the ruler, rejected this offer. And in eighteen ninety six,
Sarah William Maxwell, who was Governor of the Gold Coast,
(14:55):
went to Camasi and had the Santa Henay his mother
and other rulers and advisors arrested. They were shipped off
to other places. So they were sent to Almina, Freetown
and they went to say sales and yeah Assantoi's grandson
Frane was arrested and exiled along with Nana Prempe and
(15:16):
yeah A. Santois then became the queen mother of the state.
She had rule over the area after he was exiled,
so the Ashanti Kingdom was then declared a protectorate. Kumasi
had to be administered by a representative of the Gold
(15:37):
Coast Governor and supported by a committee of local chiefs.
And of course the British continued to put forth measures
where they exerted their will and their force to establish dominance.
So they did things like instituted ways to collect money,
(15:58):
making people labor for public works, which apparently was not
like that's not they weren't into that. So even if
they were at you know, a higher level of rule,
but also everyday people didn't want that for themselves, and
so the British also wanted possession of the Golden stool,
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so you'll also see this war called the War of
the Golden Stool. The golden stool is very important in
a Shanti and for the Ashanti people. It's believed to
be a really sacred symbol of the Shanti people. It
holds their souls, it unifies them, it brings them together,
it gives them prosperity and strength, so it's it's really important.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
It's guarded, it's held close.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
The British thought though of course without regard to to
to to cultural history and to status quo of the
people that they claimed were inferior and that they came
to rule over. They were just like, I think we'll
take control of this. You know, this will be great
if we capture this golden stool. We take this golden stool.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
It'll be.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Symbolic of how much dominion that we have over you. Also,
it would have the effect of perhaps destroying a shanty
morale in unity and so. On March twenty eighth, nineteen hundred,
the Gold Coast Governor Frederick Hodgson addressed Ashanti rulers and
he told them that they had to surrender, among other
(17:39):
things in the address, but he told them that they
had to surrender the golden stool to British authorities. Yeah,
A Centois was at the meeting. She was like, how
how y'all just going to sit here and listen to
these ridiculous demands like this is not okay. So that
evening the chiefs had a meeting in Kumasi Yah. Centoine
(18:04):
was there and they discussed how to fight the British
and how to bring back the sante Hena or the
king who had been exiled and it was clear that
the Ashanti were being demanded, they were being forced to
give up their institutions and their rule and bout down
(18:25):
to the British. But they were resolved not to submit
to British rule. And so at the meeting, y'ah as
Santoine was like taking a back that some of the
chiefs and so there's not I'll say that there's not
perfect record. There's not like play by play, line by
line record of what happened in this meeting. So there's
(18:45):
there's not an official record of what happened in the meeting,
but there are some people who have recounted what happened
in the meeting. But yeah, Santoine was taken aback by
the fact that some of the chiefs wanted to ask
the British to restore the king, like just ask them.
She said, quote, is it true that the bravery of
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the Ashanti is no more? I cannot believe it. It
cannot be. I must say this, If you, the men
of Ashanti will not go forward, then we will we
the women will. I shall call upon my fellow women.
We will fight the white men. We will fight until
the last of us falls in the battlefields. So undoubted
(19:28):
that's probably a paraphrasing of what she said during that time,
but that is what is recorded as what she said
now the very least is the sentiment of how she
felt at the time. So it's unclear to what extent
her her sentiments and how she vocalized them really how
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much that was a factor in how that pushed people
to move forward and their resistance effort. But it seems
like it did encourage people to push forward in their
resistance effort in addition to people his own feelings about
resistance and how they would move forward with it, and
also other leaders sway. So they ended up choosing her
to leave the resistance though, and she did accept the role.
(20:15):
So there is a two thousand and seven essay by
TC McCaskey and the author says this. In the essay,
the author says, quote, Yeah, a Centois military involvement was
inspired in part by patriotism or a comprehensible xenophobia and
her embittered family feeling. Nevertheless, the reason she took such
(20:38):
a prominent role against the British was that she did
indeed desire the return of Agamin Primpa, which was the
king who had been exiled.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
That's the end of the quote.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
By the way, so yes, I was trying to understand
the context of why they chose her in that moment,
which seemed its his historians and scholars who have commented
on why she was chosen. It wasn't if she was first,
but it wasn't fully uncommon for women to have positions
(21:14):
of power. It wasn't fully it wasn't completely rare. It
wasn't like it was non existent that women had a
say in certain things and had rule in certain ways,
but this was a role that had never been inhabited
by anybody before yeah Centoi. So there's there that is
(21:37):
a little bit of insight into why she might have
chosen to be the war leader. It also could have
been that choosing a high figure from Kumbasi, where the
British colonial administration was would have been risky, but clearly
Nanaya Ascentoi had proven that she would be a highly
(21:58):
capable leader and so thus begins the Yahs and TWA War.
She would have been around her fifties or sixties when
she led the Yeahs and TWI War, which lasted from
around March until September nineteen hundred. As I've seen it
put in essays. It was like it was like it
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was like a back of the force position. She wasn't
on the front lines per se as the war leader
that she was.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
The role was.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Actually to plan strategy, to strategize, to come up with
tactics for war, to mobilize the forces, to gather the
materials for it, to declare agreements like the truces, and to.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Negotiate for peace.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
So over the course of her time and the position,
her support from the Ashanti grew. The resistance late siege
to Afford at Kamasi that the British were posted up in.
But after a couple of months the British did't to
force them to shut down the uprising and the British
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did end up capturing Kamasi and eventually the Shanti territories
became a British Crown colony. But the Ashanti did what
they set forth in doing. Their mission was to protect
the Golden Stool, and they did They did do that.
So it became known as the Yasinwa War because the
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Queen Mother was the leader of the effort to fight
the British rule of the Ashanti Kingdom. But it's also
been called the War of the the Golden Stool, also
seen it referred to as like Ashanti Uprising or things
like that, noting the significance of their their resistance. Basically
(23:55):
first so Yeah, in nineteen oh one, yahs and TWA
and the other chiefs were arrested and they were sent
into exile in Sechel for twenty five years. So the
Shanti territories became British Crown colonies and Ya Centoi ended
(24:16):
up dying in seychell in October of nineteen twenty one.
A few years after that, King Prempe the First was
repatriated back to Kumasi and in nineteen twenty eight he
was able to negotiate for the remains of all the
people who had died in exile to be exhumed and
(24:39):
returned back to Ghana, so that included ya Centoi. In
nineteen thirty her remains made it back to Kamasi. She
was buried in her royal lineages cemetery in Eduso and
it wasn't until nineteen fifty seven, which would have been
(25:01):
over the last thirty five years after Yasintwa died, that
Ghana gained its independence, and it was at that point
when the former Ashanti and Gold Coast colonies became part
of the newly independent Ghana, and there was a museum
that was dedicated in her name that had a lot
in two thousand that had a lot of her belongings
(25:22):
in it. A fire did destroy it and then there
was later an effort to bring that museum back. There
have also been documentaries about her, and she has been
honored and is still honored and celebrated as a hero
and warrior queen. That's the story of Yasinta.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Like I said, this whole story, I'm so angry that
I hadn't heard it before. That's really really interesting and
I do wish we had more more information and maybe
it's out there, but like more of the first hand accounts,
because I'm just so intrigued by her and her personality
and to be like, what what are we talking about here?
(26:14):
That's not what we're going to do. I'm just so
I'm so interested in her and how she became this
leader or was this leader but got people to be like, yes,
you so it's always Eves. Thanks for bringing these stories
(26:35):
to us.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, I uh too, was like I really I feel
like I should know a lot more about her and
about her story, and I should have known it for
a while, so it's nice to be able to share it.
And also it's like, I'm always interested in what where
a person derives their courage from.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Because.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
There are so many instances when we're talking about these
women in history when they are singular and they're pioneering.
So I would imagine that it takes a lot of
a lot of guts and a lot of skill to
be able to take on these roles and be so
(27:22):
forward about it and be so outspoken. So yeah, but
in Ghana, there are still plenty of people who know
way more about her story than I do, and people
who are in her lineage who can speak speak to that.
But I think there is always something missing when there
isn't first hand accounts to help us be able to
(27:48):
characterize a person in their own words. So there's always
something missing there, And I always to part of y'all
know that part of something I love about out hearing
people talk about themselves in their own words is all
the last they have themselves, Because I'm just always interested
(28:09):
in people creating their own mythology. So yeah, it would
have been cool to have more of that from Yasini,
but fortunately there are there are many many people who
are preserving her legacy there today, and descendants and people
in her lineage who are there to tell her story.
And then because they do so, I'm able to talk
(28:32):
about it today.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yes, and we always appreciate the people doing that work.
And I do also love the lies people tell about themselves,
like presumably sometimes you would think no one even is
ever going to read this, but still this is the
story I'm crafted through. Yeah, it's great. I actually run
(28:56):
into this a lot over on the Food podcast. I
do savor where and like, I feel this company should
have a more concrete answer to when did they start?
But it's like it told was an idea the fifteen hundreds,
Like no, when was it? But it's in their interest
(29:16):
to kind of tell this, like yeah, this story. So
I find that interesting too.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I wonder do you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You probably run into a lot of the origin stories
for names as well, so not just like company when
a company was created, but like how did their name
come up?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
And it is kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I see stories about people being like I think it
came from this, or it might have come from this.
It's like how did somebody not know where the name
came from? That seems like a big part of the
founding of a company. Oh yeah, half the.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Time we were like, nobody knows. Here's a fun story
people like to tell, but nobody knows. Yeah, but you
would think somebody somewhere would, but they often don't. And
it's just it's interesting to hear the stories people or
(30:12):
companies tell. Yeah themselves for sure.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Why I'm an advocate for everybody listening telling their own
stories in some way and like memorializing them, documenting them
because I know that you know, sometimes it can seem
kind of self indulgent for us to tell our own
stories in a way where we're like or self aggrandizing,
like where it feels like, oh, we're talking about us,
(30:39):
I'm talking about myself. Why would anybody want to read
my story? But it's like you have no idea, like
or maybe you do, but most people that I know
don't know when they're going to die, so there's not
really a point in waiting. And especially our memory feels
us and it changes as we age. So you know,
the story that you tell about yourself in your twenties,
(31:02):
when you're seventy would be different than the story you
tell about yourself when you're in your thirties about your twenties.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
So yeah, tell your story now tell it now, lie
about yourself, lie about it.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I love it yourself up now. I keep it every
time I travel.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I like, every day I write a journal entry and
I have to say, like, you know, years later, looking back,
I'm glad that I did, because I'll forget something and
then i'll read it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I do remember,
yeah this thing. So you know, I guess in that way,
you can lie to yourself even in the future, but
(31:42):
you should also be truthful if you would like.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, I like these options. You can lie about yourself,
you can be truthful, just just just write it.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And I feel like she specifically was a woman of action,
so she was probably like, nag, I get this done.
I don't have time for this, which is sad for
us because we want more. But she was so larger
than life on her own actions that it's kind of like, yeah,
I got as she told them, Oh fine, I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
You don't have the courage. I got this mm hm,
which I'll want.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, we're named after.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I'm like, what, yeah, yeah, well, thank us always, Eves
for joining us, for bringing this story.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Where can the good listeners find you?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Y'all can head to my website first, so that's Eve's
Jeffcote dot com. My name is spelled y V E
S j E F F c O A T dot com. Uh.
For those of y'all who already know how to spell
my name, you're probably sick of me here is spelled
sick of sharing me. Spell that every single time, but
just in case for those of y'all because my name
(32:51):
is kind of spelled differently, you can also go to
my Instagram at not Apologizing. You can go to many
other episodes here Sminty a female first talking about women
in history who were pioneers, their achievements, their accomplishments in
their life stories and you. On my website, you can
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(33:39):
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