September 10, 2025 • 32 mins
Based on the classic board game, the 1985 film went on to become a classic in its own right, along with some iconic performances. We decipher some tropes and dig into the enduring popularity of the whodunit.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want some stuff. Never told you production I by.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hurt Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And welcome, and we are doing another classic for our
feminist movie, not exactly feminist movie, movie that I will
talk about with feminism is that is how we're gonna
do it. Okay. I would classify this and so would
a lot of the listicals that I have found as
a fall classic. So this is why we kind of
(00:41):
picked one. And as we enter sixty degree weather in Georgia.
By the way, I've been wearing a card again, I
see you're wearing a sweatshirt. Annie, congratulations. Is that time
of a year we decided we would pick a fall
movie and we are doing the nineteen eighty five, yes,
forty year old movie classic Clue, which we referenced before.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We did, and you recently helped me solve a mystery
of a ribbon. I got a dragon con at this
quote I didn't recognize and you were like, oh no,
that immediately clue.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I immediately knew what it was. And again, like I said,
this is not necessarily a feminist movie at its core.
In fact, there are several things in there and would
be like, eh, that's really sexist. However, there are some
good bits to it, including the comedy genius from the
likes of Madeline Khan, who portrays in the iconic line
(01:36):
you're talking about this dark, foreboding widow Missus White. I
would say it's empowering for sure, and not even heard
even Miss Garlett's character. I also think that there may
have been some queer awakenings oh of this movie, because
there was moments that I had some feelings. I was like, wait,
and I don't necessarily qualify myself as queer because like,
(01:59):
but at the same time, I'm like, oh, that's sexy,
you know, Like I remembered those scenes as sexy, even
though they're not really sexy, because of Miss Scarlett specifically
more than anybody else. All of that to say, yes,
I think her lines were always delivered with quick, dry
wit outside again of the Flames the Flames, but that
was purposeful comedic timing and we love it. Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. Did you did you play Clue growing up?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Oh? Yes, that was one of my favorite games. I
played myself sometimes Miss White. I was Miss White all
the time. I even though in the game she's portrayed
as the maid.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, she's like the very kind of matronly on the
box cover at least.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Went with Miss Peacock usually.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
She was the matronly one to me, missus k.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think I just liked her. Her outfit us purely
fair pesthetic.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I did find it funny that they referenced it in
the movie colors for like coding, rather than the actual
colors they wore in which happens in the game. Anyway.
Moving on, Yes, so we're gonna go ahead and jump
right into this because I want to talk about it
about the things that I didn't catch on as a
kid versus today and the way that I Yes, it's
(03:19):
more sexist than some but not as bad as you
would think. There is some little bit like anti quaer,
but not nessary. Anti quaer is more confusing.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, it pretty well, and I feel like it's kind
of interesting of how they portray socialism. Anyway, Going on, So,
this movie is based off of this successful nineteen forty
three board game Clue, which is a who with what
and where murder mystery featuring the characters of Courla Mustard,
Mister Green, missus Peacock, Miss Scarlett, Miss White, and Professor
(03:53):
Plum Apparently this was a game that was by a
British creator, but the movie decided they wanted to do
all those political views and so placed it in New
England in the nineteen fifties. So this is kind of
the difference, is there. This group is led by Butler Wadsworth,
played by the amazing Tim Curry, who was apparently a
(04:14):
third choice by the way to play that character. Yeah.
The crew they are all invited to have mentioned under
mysterious circumstances, each receiving a letter with an alias, as
these names are not their real names, even though they
adapted them very quickly. By the way, they receive invitations
to a not so exciting dinner party. Yes, I will say,
(04:37):
I feel like Knives Out was like I owe to
that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, this was very much like you know the murder
mystery games you play and you like to listen to
the tape.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, now you figured this out?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, well, oh yeah, I was going to ask, because
I did I buy you a Star Wars Clue game?
Or did I see one and think I should buy
that for you?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I believe you bought one. Somebody bought one for.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I think I bought it for you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yes, I have a few versions of Clue.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Do you have you played it?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I have opened it up and looked at it, because
I'm always really interested if you've ever played like Clue
in another property, it's really interesting because it'll be like,
I don't know, Uh, it was Han Solo and the
Millennium Falcon with a blaster and you're like, Han Solo
killed this person, don't know, just doesn't match.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Bt Dubbs. Did you know that Carrie Fisher was initially
supposed to play Miss Scarlett? No, but she ended up
going to rehab.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh well, I guess that for her.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Good for her, but also that would have been interesting anyway,
going back and galling her everywhere already. And as they
come together, we meet the cook, the maid event and
again Wadsworth, the butler that buttles so he says. We
find out they all are from DC and have some
type of secret. After a lovely dinner of Monkey's brains,
(06:07):
which we later find out that's what it is and
it's missus Peacock's favorite, we have the arrival of the
main guest, a mister Body. They are then ushered into
the parlor for some cognac and revelations. Turns out all
of them are being blackmailed for different things, and mister
Body is the one who's behind it all. What Wadsworth
advises that the police have been called and they should
(06:30):
all report mister Body, that he has all this evidence
and if they don't report him then he will just
hand over those evidents anyway. But mister Body isn't having that,
oh no. After a short lived attempt to flee the premises,
he comes back with gifts for the guests, a candlestick,
a wrench, a pipe which, by the way, that would
be a really disappointing gift, a rope, and a revolver.
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After handing out these gifts, he gives an alternative to
Wadsworth's plans kill Wadsworth and everyone walks away. He turns
off the light and we hear a gun go off
and a scream, several screams, I think. When the lights
are turned back on, we see mister Body lying on
the floor, who Professor Plumed declares is dead. And by
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the way, he is a psychiatrist, so he's supposed to
be a doctor as well, but no longer practicing, which
is why he's being black male. The panic sets in
and everyone is acting confused who did this? As it
turns out the bullet actually missed mister Body and was
probably not the cause of death. Confusion was Worth then
(07:33):
reveals this was his plan, getting them all together all along,
and that his wife had been a victim of mister
Body's black mail as well. She was a socialist and
had been forced to work for him for free until
she died by suicide. So with all of that, they
oh go on to try to figure out what happened,
how did he die? At one point they think maybe
the poison. There's poison in the cognac, which causes Evet
(07:56):
to scream, who has been listening to the wiretap that's
been in that room in recording from a different room
the billiard, I believe, And so they all retrieve her
from the billiard room and they come back together to
the parlor so they can discuss what is happening, finding
that mister Body's body is missing, where's mister Boddy's body?
(08:17):
After trying to figure out what might have happened, they
soon discovered the cook's body and the refrigerator with a
knife to her back. They decided to lock away all
those weapons and throw away the key, but as they try,
they are met at the door with another guests, a motorist,
who they decide to lock into another room because you know,
they got things to do. Oh and they rediscovered mister
(08:37):
Boddy's body with fresh roounds on his head, and they're
for sure now that he is dead. Now he really
is dead. His eyes are open at everything, so they
drag him back into the parlor along with the cook's body.
They decide they must go through the house to see
if there's any possible other guests hiding who was killing everyone,
So they pair off. The match stick scene sticks with
(08:59):
me so clearly. I don't know what it was, is
the sound of them cutting the matches, but I remember
that scene very clearly. So with that they all pair off.
They all go to search the homes, assigned to different
floors or areas. Later, they discovered the motorist has been killed,
and they are again met at the door with another visitor,
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but they've actually supposedly thrown away the keys at this point.
This time is a cop who they let in, but
then they decided to lock in the room as well.
It's very suspicious, very suspicious surprise. He is also killed,
but This is after he goes around and does a
whole look see of the house and answers a phone
call that turns out like Jadrigor Hoover is trying to
(09:43):
find somebody in that house, you know, but you know
he dies later on. We then hear the door again
and it's a singing telegram and she's shot bang immediately. Yeah, no,
but I remember the yeah you're singing till like that.
Just that sits in my head forever. Yeah. And soon
(10:05):
they all come back together and Wsworth announces that he
knows what has happened, who has done this. Turns out
all the guests outside of the main six were informants
of mister Body and had connections with the main six
and had been lured there for that very reason. Several
scenarios are shown in the movie, but the true end
(10:26):
is that everyone murdered everyone and w Wasworth is actually
mister Body. Oh and mister Green just kills mister Body
because he was actually the FBI in formant and he
was the one that was supposed to get that call
from mister Hoover. But you know, Watsworth was the one
that takes the call, and he is okay, mister body.
He goes home to sleep with his wife because he
(10:48):
his secret was that he was gay, but it wasn't gay.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, end of story.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So far and foremost, Annie, this was your first viewing.
What did you think of this movie? Did you figure
out the mystery?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
No, Uh, it was really interesting because you know when
a movie is so popular, like you get pieces of
it whether or not you've seen it, and so I'm
sure we'll probably talk about this a little bit more later.
But there are tropes in the game the butler's the killer,
like you know, all of those kind of here's your
(11:40):
sexy fim fatale, she did it, like all of these
different tropes. So I didn't anticipate the ending gag where
they have like three fake in things.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So I was definitely like, I don't know what's true,
that's not what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
But I didn't really enjoy it, and I liked it
does have a very I was thinking about this today
because only murders in the building came back today. Yeah,
and they like the kind of that murder. I was like,
is there kind of a thing? Is cozy murder mystery? Now?
I kind of yeah, because it has like you know
it's raining outside, its storming.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
They're in this big mansion. The costumes are great, the
background is.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Great, likes is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, It's just is very visually appealing and kind of
like it makes you want to at least me. I
was like, I'll curl up in this blanket try to
figure out, yeah, exactly, try to figure out what this is.
But no, I did not figure it out. I was
suspicious pretty much everybody, but I will say Tim Curry,
I was suspicious.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's always suspicious and e's just be real honest. Yeah.
So the ending was an ode to how the game
has different endings and scenarios again and how it could
have happened. Is the first scenario with Miss Scarlet killing
everyone with the assistance of a vet who had helped
her and was a former employee of hers. That's her connection,
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and then we have she also had connection with the
cop who she paid off, and then we had Wadsworth
work for the FBI. How about this instead was Peacock
killing everyone, which was kind of like the most random scenario.
I felt like, especially like, how is she gonna choke
somebody with it? Like she doesn't have the body strengthen, okay,
whatever you do you and then here's what really happened
(13:32):
with everyone killing their connected person except for Professor Plum
who kills Body, and Wadsworth killing the singing telegram woman,
and they do have a connection, but don't have a
connection type of thing. So it was very interesting, and
that I know. When it was originally released, different theaters
got different endings. They didn't get the all three. I
watched it on VHS because yes, baby, I'm that old.
(13:57):
We rented a VCR from Curtis Mathis with the movie
because we did not have a VCR. We were not
rich like that. And I got to watch that movie
and I loved it. I loved This is an ode
to slapsticks, even though, like to me in nineteen eighties
nineteen seventies, lots of slapstick, and that was kind of
one of the best parts of comedy. I miss some
(14:19):
of that, I'm not gonna lie, but it made me
laugh hysterically, the way that mister Green just gets bobbled
about everywhere like as a scenario as being mister Body.
I love those slapstick comedies and this was one of those,
and it made me laugh every time. Every time, and
you will hear me. Like I told my partner, he
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was watching it with me, part of it with me
last night, in which they are like, you know, to
make a long story short, and everybody's like, too late.
I do that to him because of this movie, and
he's probably like what and he didn't understand where that
came from. But I still cannot help myself because every
time I hear someone say that, that's the line I
think of next. So like, there are so many things
(15:03):
to that this quip is such a like funny level
of comedy, the wit, the humor, the back and forth.
I loved it. I loved it as a kid, so
all of that to say, like this is kind of
what it reminisces of. And I also, again, like I said,
because we're not necessarily doing a lot of themes, because
I think that themes are fairly It's not like because
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of its dark humor element with the very over the
top rhetoric, I feel like it's fairly obvious. You can
tell me if you're wrong. You have some themes that
you want to talk about Annie or listeners. But like,
one of the things I did love about the movie
is that women held their own in this movie. They
were more memorable characters than the men to me, outside
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of Tim Curry, Like they did such an amazing job
in their portrayal. I will say, like probably the least
in the women was missus Peacock. But like I remember
Lene Warren's voice as Miss Scarlett. I remember her line
of saying, who are you Perry Mason? Like that line, which,
(16:09):
by the way, maybe laugh because I'm like Patty Mason
wasn't existing in the nineteen fifties, I don't think, but
like she was like that person. And obviously again my
favorite would be Miss White. So like for me, Miss
Scarlett is the fein Fateel but in the movie she's
an unapologetic sex worker, like an madam. Like she does
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what she does and knows everybody's secrets. It's like, eh,
that's my job, and I know what you did, so
you have no room to judge me. Like type of conversation.
Here's a quote from cleojournal dot com. They write, quote
Miss Scarlett, who proudly outs herself as a Washington madam,
seems to have found one of the few direct routes
to power for a woman in the nineteen fifties. America,
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selling sex cheerfully impervious to the evening's bourgeoisie code of conduct.
She's the only character who appears to be enjoying herself,
delivering a stream of a may West like wise cracks
throughout the evening. This is an example, Professor Plum, I
am a doctor, but I don't practice, Miss Scarlett, practice
makes perfect. I think most men could use a little practice,
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don't you. It's a great line. And he's been sexually
harassing her the entire time. Yeah, like, but she stands
like she's so used to it's like. And then we
have Miss White, the dark and mysterious widow, who comes
off as unapologetic and ready with vengeance. With another wonderful quote,
she says, yes, just the five husbands. Husbands should be
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like Kleenex, soft, strong and disposable. I'm like, yeah, okay,
I enjoyed that. Uh. And note here, uh that the
only ad lib in this movie the entire time was
her line, which she says, yes, I did it. I
killed a vet. I hated her so much it the
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flames flames flames on the side of my face.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
There breathing, breathe, heavy, breathing, heavy, breathe and then that's
it is so wonderful her acting that was one of
the most iconic.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And then the cutaway to mister to Colonel Muster going
what is comedic genius Like I don't know why, but
I think it's like one of the top five comedic
timing that I will remember mm hmm for adult life.
It was just like genius because they let her do
it and they realized how amazing this was. But like
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those moments like that really like things that I remember again,
going back to Miss Scarlett being her like very like
Booby but green dress like iconic self, having her high
pitched laugh like it just made her character to me,
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even though she wasn't wearing a scarlet dress.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, that through me too.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
That threw me too, because in the game, some of
you listeners have somehow never played this game. It's very
color coded and like mississc Kerdelbustard in yellow scarlet isn't scarlet? Like, Yeah,
they were. I think you're you're right, and that the
women were much more memorable than the men. Uh, and
(19:18):
they had better I thought they had better line deliveries
and just in general they had more presence and it
was interesting to me because that I mean, Clue the
game is very much playing to tropes in this movie,
like heightened it. It was like, oh, you think, here's
your sexy French maid and all of this, but they
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were doing it very comedically, but while also saying like, yeah,
miss Scarlett is not going to stand for your nonsense.
Missus White might kill you. They I love how they
gave like every character a very h this is what
I love about good mystery, very plausible, like I could
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see her doing it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I could see it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, I mean they definitely do a great job in
giving each character their own backstory without even having too
much of a backstory. Yeah at the beginning, like you're
seeing them as they're presented and you're like, Okay, you
know who this is, you know who this is? Yeah,
and again the men are not as memorable. No, just really,
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I'm just saying. I thought about how many games, board
games that have been turned into movies, like we've seen
many of video games, which sometimes they don't work. The
number one was last of us. If you need to know,
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that was the best. Clue is always in the top five.
It's not number one for the board game editions or renditions,
and the top five with that is Jamanji Hello Wichi, which,
by the way, Jamanji is not a real game, so
it's kind of like one of those things like based
on board game, but it is not a real game.
It is, but it came exactly That's what I'm saying.
It wasn't the original. It does have a lot of
(21:09):
horror obviously behind that. And then they said dungeons and dragons,
and I'm like, is that a really a.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Board game tabletop game?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I would say, okay, but not board game, but you
know what, I allow it. I'll allow it. Uh So
it did bring that in, but they did have one
of the best adaptations to that. And I think because
maybe there's not a lot of games like I don't know,
how do you change turn Life into?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, well, there's plenty of them that I'm like, I'm
not sure if it's knew one that Margot Robbie is
going to be in And I was like, huh.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Oh, I just know Wuthering Heights, but that's a book.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
No, she's it's a board game adaptation.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I can't remember really, but I was like, huh, all right,
like sorry, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Not sorry, but you know I would be surprised.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
But yeah, so it is interesting to see that. But
I also wondered about like the murder mystery concept because
I feel like this is kind of in tune with
all that the who done it is and we got
to figure it out. We can't leave this house until
we find the killer type of conversation. And many attribute
the murder mystery dinner shows to be from the nineteen
forties nineteen fifties, but then it involved in the eighties
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involving audience members. Have you ever done one of those?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I've played, I've played a game I've never gone to,
like an event.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Space, I've done it.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, either.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I have a friend who did, and it sounded
like it went disastrously.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Reflects control what the audience is going to do. Yeah,
which seems kind of like it's a it's all the dice. Yeah,
I know. I've seen people do it at home with
their friends, so they know them well enough and give
them characters play right, that's a thing. So you done that?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, I have I have one.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
It is like a it's a masquerade that went wrong
and it's on the train of course, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, that's on the train, Like obviously the Office has
an infamous episode. Yeah, I do declare, I do declare,
I didn't do it. I did not have that accent anyway.
But I do think like when we talk about like
movies like Knives Out and those types of movies like
it kind of is reminiscent to Clue as well the
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board game versus also like these movies that have some
iconic moments. It again, the one thing that the Knives
Out was more serious and also they left the house.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, I mean, but that is a thing about a
lot of these murdered mystery stories is they usually have
one space where they're generally confined. I would say Knives Out,
they were confined by the will, So even if they
could leave the house.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
The second one, the second one, they were confined house.
But the murder happened outside of Yes, and then they
come again, and then was there more murder?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
M there was a tempted murder mud that's right, right,
And I really thought that was interesting and we could
talk about murder mystery concepts in general because of that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Like also Shakespeare theavern't have a thing like this level
of conversation. But that's again, but of course we couldn't
go beyond this without the politics of clue. Like they
really wanted to have that Red Scare, the McCarthy era
type of conversation in here, and they actually portray I
couldn't tell, you can't tell what they're saying necessarily, and
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this was done in the eighties once again, so right
outside of still Cold War level of what's going down,
you know. So it was interesting to see when they
talked about like she was a socialist and then it
came down to you're a communist. Then she's like, no,
I'm the purest form of capitalism, which is I feel
like a conversation today of like the mixture. You're like, no,
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we're leading to communism, but you think that It's like
it's also our capitalist is turning into communism and you're
not realzing what's happening, and you think communism is just
socialism and that's not what's happening. We're having a dictatorship back. Okay.
But all of that to say is like they have
that conversation in here. I will say there are so
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many jokes in there that I did not understand as
a ten twelve year old once you're like, red hairing,
what does that mean? I had to look that up
not too long ago.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
To be honest, I knew about that because of another
mystery book and it was a clue and I was like, ah,
red hair.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Just a red hairing. But it was interesting to see
them bring that as a part of that conversation, which
you don't have obviously in the game. There's no real reason. Yeah,
there's no back there's no plot to it. You just
get murdered and you have to get like.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Right, oh, and you know that would be an interesting exercise.
Me and my friends used to do this, where we
would try to describe why they did it or.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh really go that far?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, sometimes, especially if you get again like I have,
like what we do in the Shadows one. You know,
you know these characters, so you can try to describe, like,
why in the world would they have done this?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, now I needed you to play Star Wars to
see the backstory.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh my gosh, I would because.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You're supposed to know who gets murdered in that one.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I'm not sure if anyone gets murdered. So some of
the newer ones do this thing where like in what
we do in the shadow is one the cursed hat
goes missing. So it's oh, I feel like in the
Star Wars one it was something like that too.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It wasn't murder. But ah, look, oh, now I've got
a good excuse to do.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You have to look it up for me. Yeah, yeah,
now that I think about it, I remember I also
had a three D clue and it was a museum,
and I think they are finding certain artwork. Yeah. Yeah,
it's a long time.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I have to say, you know, I hate to bring
it up, but and I had the Harry Potter clue,
and that one it was murder, and I always thought
that was kind of pretty dark.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
For a wait, was it like Harry Potter murdered Someboddy.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
It was like a bunch of death eaters. But one
time I played it when Jenny got murdered, and I
was like, oh, holy.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
A heck, this is really dark. Oh my stars, yeah
o jey.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So maybe they moved up. Maybe they're like trying to
make ones now that are less about murder.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I would love to see what a remake of this
would look like today.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
It would be interesting, because again it is they're trying
to make you think, like everybody could have done it right,
and at the time, you know, you have this like
the Red Scare and communism.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You have this character who's.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Gay and it's like and then not gay, but they
were trying to be like, then it's him, so it
would be like.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It was one of those funny moments where it's like,
but I'm not ashamed of that, but I don't want
to be fired, which could be still very much.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I know.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I was thinking about that, like, it would not be
that hard because communism is still a threat, supposedly a threat.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, it would be interesting. I'm sure there's probably been
talks about remaking it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Oh, there is practically, so I just pulled it up.
So in twenty twenty four there was a conversation of
Sony taking it. But it would be not like the film,
h it would be more like the game again, and
(28:50):
they've been trying it, says I could.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
See it being like a four episode Netflix series or something.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't know, lazy.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah. Ryan Reynolds and Jason Bateman tried to get onto
it with the muppets. I don't know if I read
that right, Okay, y'all, they'll tell me because I'm like, wait, what,
but yeah, it would be interesting. So if there was
a conversation about how when they had some interviews in between,
(29:24):
like for anniversaries of Clue, Tim Cury had had a
stroke and was not able to participate, but was able
to come back later to participate and talk about his
memories of it, which I was really glad was able
to happen because I would have made me sad because
Tim Curry was pretty iconic in this, in this whole era,
I feel like he was eighty seventies champion, to be honest,
(29:46):
between that Rocky Horror for me, Legend, and so much.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
More, He's pretty iconic in most of his roles.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Oh and by the way, that's what it was. I
saw someone cross crossing Rocky Horror with Legend in their cosplay.
It was beautiful. It was like Tim Curry for both
of those as one. It was an amazing one. I
forgot about that just now because I was like, oh
my god, I get that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't think maybe people would because they don't remember Legend.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You'd be surprised.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
A Dragon gun I don't know which I a couple
of years ago, me and a whole group of friends
tried to just go as a bunch of different Tim currys.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Really it didn't work out, but I still think that's
a great idea.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Somebody goes as a butler. Somebody goes and then then
he was a horrible character in Criminal Minds.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Oh no, I feel like I want to go as
the muppet Cheshure Island one or it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh god, you're right, it's I'm just saying a lot
of options.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
There's a lot of options. But okay, yeah, so that
was clue. How what would you grade this movie? Any
this cult classic that I love so much?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Hmmm?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
How do I create it? Like a home run with
the candlestick in the library?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I don't know. It was fun. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I like you tried. I don't you try to add
that allgether? Yes, I hope you did. This is definitely
one of those that I don't watch often, but every
time I watch it, I just giggle each time each time.
And I love this. So yeah, listeners, let us know
what you think about this movie. Have you loved this movie?
Is this something that you think is a cult classic?
If you did tell me, why If you haven't tell
(31:37):
me why? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And hopefully.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I mean we're we're well outside the window of spoilers.
But if you haven't seen it, go watch it.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Spoil it. It's forty years.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, we're well outside the window.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
No, hopefully if somebody really wanted to watch it, they
would have stopped.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They would have not.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, but I mean, even if you know the ending,
it kind of goes in a wild way.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
So it does.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, I think you'll still be.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
A watch still watch it?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want some stuff. Never told you production I by.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hurt Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And welcome, and we are doing another classic for our
feminist movie, not exactly feminist movie, movie that I will
talk about with feminism is that is how we're gonna
do it. Okay. I would classify this and so would
a lot of the listicals that I have found as
a fall classic. So this is why we kind of
(00:41):
picked one. And as we enter sixty degree weather in Georgia.
By the way, I've been wearing a card again, I
see you're wearing a sweatshirt. Annie, congratulations. Is that time
of a year we decided we would pick a fall
movie and we are doing the nineteen eighty five, yes,
forty year old movie classic Clue, which we referenced before.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We did, and you recently helped me solve a mystery
of a ribbon. I got a dragon con at this
quote I didn't recognize and you were like, oh no,
that immediately clue.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I immediately knew what it was. And again, like I said,
this is not necessarily a feminist movie at its core.
In fact, there are several things in there and would
be like, eh, that's really sexist. However, there are some
good bits to it, including the comedy genius from the
likes of Madeline Khan, who portrays in the iconic line
(01:36):
you're talking about this dark, foreboding widow Missus White. I
would say it's empowering for sure, and not even heard
even Miss Garlett's character. I also think that there may
have been some queer awakenings oh of this movie, because
there was moments that I had some feelings. I was like, wait,
and I don't necessarily qualify myself as queer because like,
(01:59):
but at the same time, I'm like, oh, that's sexy,
you know, Like I remembered those scenes as sexy, even
though they're not really sexy, because of Miss Scarlett specifically
more than anybody else. All of that to say, yes,
I think her lines were always delivered with quick, dry
wit outside again of the Flames the Flames, but that
was purposeful comedic timing and we love it. Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. Did you did you play Clue growing up?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Oh? Yes, that was one of my favorite games. I
played myself sometimes Miss White. I was Miss White all
the time. I even though in the game she's portrayed
as the maid.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, she's like the very kind of matronly on the
box cover at least.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Went with Miss Peacock usually.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
She was the matronly one to me, missus k.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think I just liked her. Her outfit us purely
fair pesthetic.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I did find it funny that they referenced it in
the movie colors for like coding, rather than the actual
colors they wore in which happens in the game. Anyway.
Moving on, Yes, so we're gonna go ahead and jump
right into this because I want to talk about it
about the things that I didn't catch on as a
kid versus today and the way that I Yes, it's
(03:19):
more sexist than some but not as bad as you
would think. There is some little bit like anti quaer,
but not nessary. Anti quaer is more confusing.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, it pretty well, and I feel like it's kind
of interesting of how they portray socialism. Anyway, Going on, So,
this movie is based off of this successful nineteen forty
three board game Clue, which is a who with what
and where murder mystery featuring the characters of Courla Mustard,
Mister Green, missus Peacock, Miss Scarlett, Miss White, and Professor
(03:53):
Plum Apparently this was a game that was by a
British creator, but the movie decided they wanted to do
all those political views and so placed it in New
England in the nineteen fifties. So this is kind of
the difference, is there. This group is led by Butler Wadsworth,
played by the amazing Tim Curry, who was apparently a
(04:14):
third choice by the way to play that character. Yeah.
The crew they are all invited to have mentioned under
mysterious circumstances, each receiving a letter with an alias, as
these names are not their real names, even though they
adapted them very quickly. By the way, they receive invitations
to a not so exciting dinner party. Yes, I will say,
(04:37):
I feel like Knives Out was like I owe to
that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, this was very much like you know the murder
mystery games you play and you like to listen to
the tape.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, now you figured this out?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, well, oh yeah, I was going to ask, because
I did I buy you a Star Wars Clue game?
Or did I see one and think I should buy
that for you?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I believe you bought one. Somebody bought one for.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I think I bought it for you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yes, I have a few versions of Clue.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Do you have you played it?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I have opened it up and looked at it, because
I'm always really interested if you've ever played like Clue
in another property, it's really interesting because it'll be like,
I don't know, Uh, it was Han Solo and the
Millennium Falcon with a blaster and you're like, Han Solo
killed this person, don't know, just doesn't match.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Bt Dubbs. Did you know that Carrie Fisher was initially
supposed to play Miss Scarlett? No, but she ended up
going to rehab.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh well, I guess that for her.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Good for her, but also that would have been interesting anyway,
going back and galling her everywhere already. And as they
come together, we meet the cook, the maid event and
again Wadsworth, the butler that buttles so he says. We
find out they all are from DC and have some
type of secret. After a lovely dinner of Monkey's brains,
(06:07):
which we later find out that's what it is and
it's missus Peacock's favorite, we have the arrival of the
main guest, a mister Body. They are then ushered into
the parlor for some cognac and revelations. Turns out all
of them are being blackmailed for different things, and mister
Body is the one who's behind it all. What Wadsworth
advises that the police have been called and they should
(06:30):
all report mister Body, that he has all this evidence
and if they don't report him then he will just
hand over those evidents anyway. But mister Body isn't having that,
oh no. After a short lived attempt to flee the premises,
he comes back with gifts for the guests, a candlestick,
a wrench, a pipe which, by the way, that would
be a really disappointing gift, a rope, and a revolver.
(06:52):
After handing out these gifts, he gives an alternative to
Wadsworth's plans kill Wadsworth and everyone walks away. He turns
off the light and we hear a gun go off
and a scream, several screams, I think. When the lights
are turned back on, we see mister Body lying on
the floor, who Professor Plumed declares is dead. And by
(07:12):
the way, he is a psychiatrist, so he's supposed to
be a doctor as well, but no longer practicing, which
is why he's being black male. The panic sets in
and everyone is acting confused who did this? As it
turns out the bullet actually missed mister Body and was
probably not the cause of death. Confusion was Worth then
(07:33):
reveals this was his plan, getting them all together all along,
and that his wife had been a victim of mister
Body's black mail as well. She was a socialist and
had been forced to work for him for free until
she died by suicide. So with all of that, they
oh go on to try to figure out what happened,
how did he die? At one point they think maybe
the poison. There's poison in the cognac, which causes Evet
(07:56):
to scream, who has been listening to the wiretap that's
been in that room in recording from a different room
the billiard, I believe, And so they all retrieve her
from the billiard room and they come back together to
the parlor so they can discuss what is happening, finding
that mister Body's body is missing, where's mister Boddy's body?
(08:17):
After trying to figure out what might have happened, they
soon discovered the cook's body and the refrigerator with a
knife to her back. They decided to lock away all
those weapons and throw away the key, but as they try,
they are met at the door with another guests, a motorist,
who they decide to lock into another room because you know,
they got things to do. Oh and they rediscovered mister
(08:37):
Boddy's body with fresh roounds on his head, and they're
for sure now that he is dead. Now he really
is dead. His eyes are open at everything, so they
drag him back into the parlor along with the cook's body.
They decide they must go through the house to see
if there's any possible other guests hiding who was killing everyone,
So they pair off. The match stick scene sticks with
(08:59):
me so clearly. I don't know what it was, is
the sound of them cutting the matches, but I remember
that scene very clearly. So with that they all pair off.
They all go to search the homes, assigned to different
floors or areas. Later, they discovered the motorist has been killed,
and they are again met at the door with another visitor,
(09:21):
but they've actually supposedly thrown away the keys at this point.
This time is a cop who they let in, but
then they decided to lock in the room as well.
It's very suspicious, very suspicious surprise. He is also killed,
but This is after he goes around and does a
whole look see of the house and answers a phone
call that turns out like Jadrigor Hoover is trying to
(09:43):
find somebody in that house, you know, but you know
he dies later on. We then hear the door again
and it's a singing telegram and she's shot bang immediately. Yeah, no,
but I remember the yeah you're singing till like that.
Just that sits in my head forever. Yeah. And soon
(10:05):
they all come back together and Wsworth announces that he
knows what has happened, who has done this. Turns out
all the guests outside of the main six were informants
of mister Body and had connections with the main six
and had been lured there for that very reason. Several
scenarios are shown in the movie, but the true end
(10:26):
is that everyone murdered everyone and w Wasworth is actually
mister Body. Oh and mister Green just kills mister Body
because he was actually the FBI in formant and he
was the one that was supposed to get that call
from mister Hoover. But you know, Watsworth was the one
that takes the call, and he is okay, mister body.
He goes home to sleep with his wife because he
(10:48):
his secret was that he was gay, but it wasn't gay.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, end of story.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So far and foremost, Annie, this was your first viewing.
What did you think of this movie? Did you figure
out the mystery?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
No, Uh, it was really interesting because you know when
a movie is so popular, like you get pieces of
it whether or not you've seen it, and so I'm
sure we'll probably talk about this a little bit more later.
But there are tropes in the game the butler's the killer,
like you know, all of those kind of here's your
(11:40):
sexy fim fatale, she did it, like all of these
different tropes. So I didn't anticipate the ending gag where
they have like three fake in things.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So I was definitely like, I don't know what's true,
that's not what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
But I didn't really enjoy it, and I liked it
does have a very I was thinking about this today
because only murders in the building came back today. Yeah,
and they like the kind of that murder. I was like,
is there kind of a thing? Is cozy murder mystery? Now?
I kind of yeah, because it has like you know
it's raining outside, its storming.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
They're in this big mansion. The costumes are great, the
background is.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Great, likes is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, It's just is very visually appealing and kind of
like it makes you want to at least me. I
was like, I'll curl up in this blanket try to
figure out, yeah, exactly, try to figure out what this is.
But no, I did not figure it out. I was
suspicious pretty much everybody, but I will say Tim Curry,
I was suspicious.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's always suspicious and e's just be real honest. Yeah.
So the ending was an ode to how the game
has different endings and scenarios again and how it could
have happened. Is the first scenario with Miss Scarlet killing
everyone with the assistance of a vet who had helped
her and was a former employee of hers. That's her connection,
(13:11):
and then we have she also had connection with the
cop who she paid off, and then we had Wadsworth
work for the FBI. How about this instead was Peacock
killing everyone, which was kind of like the most random scenario.
I felt like, especially like, how is she gonna choke
somebody with it? Like she doesn't have the body strengthen, okay,
whatever you do you and then here's what really happened
(13:32):
with everyone killing their connected person except for Professor Plum
who kills Body, and Wadsworth killing the singing telegram woman,
and they do have a connection, but don't have a
connection type of thing. So it was very interesting, and
that I know. When it was originally released, different theaters
got different endings. They didn't get the all three. I
watched it on VHS because yes, baby, I'm that old.
(13:57):
We rented a VCR from Curtis Mathis with the movie
because we did not have a VCR. We were not
rich like that. And I got to watch that movie
and I loved it. I loved This is an ode
to slapsticks, even though, like to me in nineteen eighties
nineteen seventies, lots of slapstick, and that was kind of
one of the best parts of comedy. I miss some
(14:19):
of that, I'm not gonna lie, but it made me
laugh hysterically, the way that mister Green just gets bobbled
about everywhere like as a scenario as being mister Body.
I love those slapstick comedies and this was one of those,
and it made me laugh every time. Every time, and
you will hear me. Like I told my partner, he
(14:40):
was watching it with me, part of it with me
last night, in which they are like, you know, to
make a long story short, and everybody's like, too late.
I do that to him because of this movie, and
he's probably like what and he didn't understand where that
came from. But I still cannot help myself because every
time I hear someone say that, that's the line I
think of next. So like, there are so many things
(15:03):
to that this quip is such a like funny level
of comedy, the wit, the humor, the back and forth.
I loved it. I loved it as a kid, so
all of that to say, like this is kind of
what it reminisces of. And I also, again, like I said,
because we're not necessarily doing a lot of themes, because
I think that themes are fairly It's not like because
(15:27):
of its dark humor element with the very over the
top rhetoric, I feel like it's fairly obvious. You can
tell me if you're wrong. You have some themes that
you want to talk about Annie or listeners. But like,
one of the things I did love about the movie
is that women held their own in this movie. They
were more memorable characters than the men to me, outside
(15:48):
of Tim Curry, Like they did such an amazing job
in their portrayal. I will say, like probably the least
in the women was missus Peacock. But like I remember
Lene Warren's voice as Miss Scarlett. I remember her line
of saying, who are you Perry Mason? Like that line, which,
(16:09):
by the way, maybe laugh because I'm like Patty Mason
wasn't existing in the nineteen fifties, I don't think, but
like she was like that person. And obviously again my
favorite would be Miss White. So like for me, Miss
Scarlett is the fein Fateel but in the movie she's
an unapologetic sex worker, like an madam. Like she does
(16:30):
what she does and knows everybody's secrets. It's like, eh,
that's my job, and I know what you did, so
you have no room to judge me. Like type of conversation.
Here's a quote from cleojournal dot com. They write, quote
Miss Scarlett, who proudly outs herself as a Washington madam,
seems to have found one of the few direct routes
to power for a woman in the nineteen fifties. America,
(16:51):
selling sex cheerfully impervious to the evening's bourgeoisie code of conduct.
She's the only character who appears to be enjoying herself,
delivering a stream of a may West like wise cracks
throughout the evening. This is an example, Professor Plum, I
am a doctor, but I don't practice, Miss Scarlett, practice
makes perfect. I think most men could use a little practice,
(17:11):
don't you. It's a great line. And he's been sexually
harassing her the entire time. Yeah, like, but she stands
like she's so used to it's like. And then we
have Miss White, the dark and mysterious widow, who comes
off as unapologetic and ready with vengeance. With another wonderful quote,
she says, yes, just the five husbands. Husbands should be
(17:34):
like Kleenex, soft, strong and disposable. I'm like, yeah, okay,
I enjoyed that. Uh. And note here, uh that the
only ad lib in this movie the entire time was
her line, which she says, yes, I did it. I
killed a vet. I hated her so much it the
(17:55):
flames flames flames on the side of my face.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
There breathing, breathe, heavy, breathing, heavy, breathe and then that's
it is so wonderful her acting that was one of
the most iconic.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And then the cutaway to mister to Colonel Muster going
what is comedic genius Like I don't know why, but
I think it's like one of the top five comedic
timing that I will remember mm hmm for adult life.
It was just like genius because they let her do
it and they realized how amazing this was. But like
(18:30):
those moments like that really like things that I remember again,
going back to Miss Scarlett being her like very like
Booby but green dress like iconic self, having her high
pitched laugh like it just made her character to me,
(18:51):
even though she wasn't wearing a scarlet dress.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, that through me too.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
That threw me too, because in the game, some of
you listeners have somehow never played this game. It's very
color coded and like mississc Kerdelbustard in yellow scarlet isn't scarlet? Like, Yeah,
they were. I think you're you're right, and that the
women were much more memorable than the men. Uh, and
(19:18):
they had better I thought they had better line deliveries
and just in general they had more presence and it
was interesting to me because that I mean, Clue the
game is very much playing to tropes in this movie,
like heightened it. It was like, oh, you think, here's
your sexy French maid and all of this, but they
(19:41):
were doing it very comedically, but while also saying like, yeah,
miss Scarlett is not going to stand for your nonsense.
Missus White might kill you. They I love how they
gave like every character a very h this is what
I love about good mystery, very plausible, like I could
(20:01):
see her doing it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I could see it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, I mean they definitely do a great job in
giving each character their own backstory without even having too
much of a backstory. Yeah at the beginning, like you're
seeing them as they're presented and you're like, Okay, you
know who this is, you know who this is? Yeah,
and again the men are not as memorable. No, just really,
(20:25):
I'm just saying. I thought about how many games, board
games that have been turned into movies, like we've seen
many of video games, which sometimes they don't work. The
number one was last of us. If you need to know,
(20:46):
that was the best. Clue is always in the top five.
It's not number one for the board game editions or renditions,
and the top five with that is Jamanji Hello Wichi, which,
by the way, Jamanji is not a real game, so
it's kind of like one of those things like based
on board game, but it is not a real game.
It is, but it came exactly That's what I'm saying.
It wasn't the original. It does have a lot of
(21:09):
horror obviously behind that. And then they said dungeons and dragons,
and I'm like, is that a really a.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Board game tabletop game?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I would say, okay, but not board game, but you
know what, I allow it. I'll allow it. Uh So
it did bring that in, but they did have one
of the best adaptations to that. And I think because
maybe there's not a lot of games like I don't know,
how do you change turn Life into?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, well, there's plenty of them that I'm like, I'm
not sure if it's knew one that Margot Robbie is
going to be in And I was like, huh.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Oh, I just know Wuthering Heights, but that's a book.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
No, she's it's a board game adaptation.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I can't remember really, but I was like, huh, all right,
like sorry, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Not sorry, but you know I would be surprised.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
But yeah, so it is interesting to see that. But
I also wondered about like the murder mystery concept because
I feel like this is kind of in tune with
all that the who done it is and we got
to figure it out. We can't leave this house until
we find the killer type of conversation. And many attribute
the murder mystery dinner shows to be from the nineteen
forties nineteen fifties, but then it involved in the eighties
(22:20):
involving audience members. Have you ever done one of those?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I've played, I've played a game I've never gone to,
like an event.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Space, I've done it.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, either.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I have a friend who did, and it sounded
like it went disastrously.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Reflects control what the audience is going to do. Yeah,
which seems kind of like it's a it's all the dice. Yeah,
I know. I've seen people do it at home with
their friends, so they know them well enough and give
them characters play right, that's a thing. So you done that?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, I have I have one.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
It is like a it's a masquerade that went wrong
and it's on the train of course, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, that's on the train, Like obviously the Office has
an infamous episode. Yeah, I do declare, I do declare,
I didn't do it. I did not have that accent anyway.
But I do think like when we talk about like
movies like Knives Out and those types of movies like
it kind of is reminiscent to Clue as well the
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board game versus also like these movies that have some
iconic moments. It again, the one thing that the Knives
Out was more serious and also they left the house.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, I mean, but that is a thing about a
lot of these murdered mystery stories is they usually have
one space where they're generally confined. I would say Knives Out,
they were confined by the will, So even if they
could leave the house.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
The second one, the second one, they were confined house.
But the murder happened outside of Yes, and then they
come again, and then was there more murder?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
M there was a tempted murder mud that's right, right,
And I really thought that was interesting and we could
talk about murder mystery concepts in general because of that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Like also Shakespeare theavern't have a thing like this level
of conversation. But that's again, but of course we couldn't
go beyond this without the politics of clue. Like they
really wanted to have that Red Scare, the McCarthy era
type of conversation in here, and they actually portray I
couldn't tell, you can't tell what they're saying necessarily, and
(24:31):
this was done in the eighties once again, so right
outside of still Cold War level of what's going down,
you know. So it was interesting to see when they
talked about like she was a socialist and then it
came down to you're a communist. Then she's like, no,
I'm the purest form of capitalism, which is I feel
like a conversation today of like the mixture. You're like, no,
(24:52):
we're leading to communism, but you think that It's like
it's also our capitalist is turning into communism and you're
not realzing what's happening, and you think communism is just
socialism and that's not what's happening. We're having a dictatorship back. Okay.
But all of that to say is like they have
that conversation in here. I will say there are so
(25:13):
many jokes in there that I did not understand as
a ten twelve year old once you're like, red hairing,
what does that mean? I had to look that up
not too long ago.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
To be honest, I knew about that because of another
mystery book and it was a clue and I was like, ah,
red hair.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Just a red hairing. But it was interesting to see
them bring that as a part of that conversation, which
you don't have obviously in the game. There's no real reason. Yeah,
there's no back there's no plot to it. You just
get murdered and you have to get like.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Right, oh, and you know that would be an interesting exercise.
Me and my friends used to do this, where we
would try to describe why they did it or.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh really go that far?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, sometimes, especially if you get again like I have,
like what we do in the Shadows one. You know,
you know these characters, so you can try to describe, like,
why in the world would they have done this?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, now I needed you to play Star Wars to
see the backstory.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh my gosh, I would because.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You're supposed to know who gets murdered in that one.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I'm not sure if anyone gets murdered. So some of
the newer ones do this thing where like in what
we do in the shadow is one the cursed hat
goes missing. So it's oh, I feel like in the
Star Wars one it was something like that too.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It wasn't murder. But ah, look, oh, now I've got
a good excuse to do.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You have to look it up for me. Yeah, yeah,
now that I think about it, I remember I also
had a three D clue and it was a museum,
and I think they are finding certain artwork. Yeah. Yeah,
it's a long time.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I have to say, you know, I hate to bring
it up, but and I had the Harry Potter clue,
and that one it was murder, and I always thought
that was kind of pretty dark.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
For a wait, was it like Harry Potter murdered Someboddy.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
It was like a bunch of death eaters. But one
time I played it when Jenny got murdered, and I
was like, oh, holy.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
A heck, this is really dark. Oh my stars, yeah
o jey.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So maybe they moved up. Maybe they're like trying to
make ones now that are less about murder.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I would love to see what a remake of this
would look like today.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
It would be interesting, because again it is they're trying
to make you think, like everybody could have done it right,
and at the time, you know, you have this like
the Red Scare and communism.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You have this character who's.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Gay and it's like and then not gay, but they
were trying to be like, then it's him, so it
would be like.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It was one of those funny moments where it's like,
but I'm not ashamed of that, but I don't want
to be fired, which could be still very much.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I know.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I was thinking about that, like, it would not be
that hard because communism is still a threat, supposedly a threat.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, it would be interesting. I'm sure there's probably been
talks about remaking it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Oh, there is practically, so I just pulled it up.
So in twenty twenty four there was a conversation of
Sony taking it. But it would be not like the film,
h it would be more like the game again, and
(28:50):
they've been trying it, says I could.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
See it being like a four episode Netflix series or something.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't know, lazy.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah. Ryan Reynolds and Jason Bateman tried to get onto
it with the muppets. I don't know if I read
that right, Okay, y'all, they'll tell me because I'm like, wait, what,
but yeah, it would be interesting. So if there was
a conversation about how when they had some interviews in between,
(29:24):
like for anniversaries of Clue, Tim Cury had had a
stroke and was not able to participate, but was able
to come back later to participate and talk about his
memories of it, which I was really glad was able
to happen because I would have made me sad because
Tim Curry was pretty iconic in this, in this whole era,
I feel like he was eighty seventies champion, to be honest,
(29:46):
between that Rocky Horror for me, Legend, and so much.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
More, He's pretty iconic in most of his roles.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Oh and by the way, that's what it was. I
saw someone cross crossing Rocky Horror with Legend in their cosplay.
It was beautiful. It was like Tim Curry for both
of those as one. It was an amazing one. I
forgot about that just now because I was like, oh
my god, I get that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't think maybe people would because they don't remember Legend.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You'd be surprised.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
A Dragon gun I don't know which I a couple
of years ago, me and a whole group of friends
tried to just go as a bunch of different Tim currys.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Really it didn't work out, but I still think that's
a great idea.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Somebody goes as a butler. Somebody goes and then then
he was a horrible character in Criminal Minds.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Oh no, I feel like I want to go as
the muppet Cheshure Island one or it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh god, you're right, it's I'm just saying a lot
of options.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
There's a lot of options. But okay, yeah, so that
was clue. How what would you grade this movie? Any
this cult classic that I love so much?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Hmmm?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
How do I create it? Like a home run with
the candlestick in the library?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I don't know. It was fun. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I like you tried. I don't you try to add
that allgether? Yes, I hope you did. This is definitely
one of those that I don't watch often, but every
time I watch it, I just giggle each time each time.
And I love this. So yeah, listeners, let us know
what you think about this movie. Have you loved this movie?
Is this something that you think is a cult classic?
If you did tell me, why If you haven't tell
(31:37):
me why? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And hopefully.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I mean we're we're well outside the window of spoilers.
But if you haven't seen it, go watch it.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Spoil it. It's forty years.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, we're well outside the window.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
No, hopefully if somebody really wanted to watch it, they
would have stopped.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They would have not.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, but I mean, even if you know the ending,
it kind of goes in a wild way.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
So it does.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, I think you'll still be.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
A watch still watch it?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah, yes, Okay, Well, email us all of your thought
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