July 15, 2025 • 22 mins
Human bullsh*t detector Charlie Cale is curious, kind and an absolute trouble magnet, finding herself solving multiple murders. We try to solve the truth of this Poker Face character.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Sanny and Smitha and welcome to stuff
I never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome
to another edition of Fictional Women Around the World. Spoilers,
(00:26):
but nothing too major. I'm trying to avoid it. The
season finale for season two of poker Face just came
out this very morning, and I'm still processing somethings, so
I'm trying not just boil it majorly. But it did
just happen. So if you want to avoid it completely,
(00:47):
then I recommend the show. It's on Peacock, which is
not a sponsor. But anyway, all right, today we are
talking about Charlie Cale from the television show poker Face,
who I would argue is neurodivergent, and I'm going to
get into that more later. So poker Face is a
(01:07):
mystery comedy drama show that debuted on Peacock, again not
a sponsor, in twenty twenty three. It currently has two seasons,
the second one just wrapped. It was created by Ryan
Johnson of Knives Out and The Last Jedi Fame and
features just a plethora of guest stars. I'm always shocked
who shows up on there. Guest writers and guest directors,
(01:31):
including Natasha Leone, who plays the main character. She actually
directed the finale of season two. It is highly influenced
by the show Colombo, which I have never seen. Oh
you haven't, No, have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, I grew up with very Matt Locke Colombo, not
much of murder.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
She wrote that might be a ho misogynistic thing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I don't know, because my family, my grandfather specifically watched those,
but my dad loved Colombo.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I looked it up because of this, because I was
missing so many references. I was like, oh, really, m
a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
He was kind of the not the original, but he
was definitely a big icon in that he was goofy
and seemingly like you're unsuspecting of his genius, but he
actually is a genius, and he's not your normal looking detective.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yes. Well, in the last episode, which was directed by
Ty West and was pretty scary for what is the
usual of this series, they're the character in there who
was an assassin did a Colombo impression and I had
That's when I was like, who is this? I had
(02:44):
to look it up, and so I watched a bunch
of clips and I was like, Okay, I see I
see the icon yeah, the influence, yes, and okay. So
the show's protagonist, Charlie Kale, frequently smokes or vapes as
an homage to a Colombo character, and it's also how
(03:06):
can you catch them? And not who done it? So
the way the show is structured is you already, as
the viewer, know usually who did it, it's how is
she going to figure it out? So here's a basic
rundown of the premise. Charlie Cale, played by Natasha Leone,
is a woman in her mid thirties who has this
(03:26):
ability to detect when people are lying. A human light
detector is how she often describes herself. She's sort of
the antithesis to Anna de Armis's character and knives Out
because she couldn't lie. The thing is, she can't tell
why people are lying, because people why for all sorts
(03:47):
of reasons. Because of her ability and just her overall personality.
This means she gets sucked into so Manie Shenanigan's especially
murders kids obviously obviously, and just to mention, Natasha Leone
had a cameo in Ria Johnson's Knives Out sequel Glass
(04:09):
Onion when there was a bunch of detectives that Blanc's
character was playing. What was that game that was so
popular for who?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't I don't remember this Mafia, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't Mafia, but it was. It was
the game where, like you, there's a trader in the
group and they're trying to sabotage you. We were going
to play it with our listeners, are we so long ago?
She was one of the when Blanc was playing among us,
(04:45):
She was one of the people. It was during pandemic,
so they were all kind of locked down. She was
one of the people that was playing with him virtually
all right. So generally this show is a murder of
the week show, though there are some exceptions and definitely
times they play on the audience's expectation of what that
(05:05):
is for a surprise factor, But generally the episodes are
structured like this. We see the story of someone we
don't know play out, and in one way or another,
it leads to a murder and usually an attempt to
cover it up. Then the second half of the show
reveals how Charlie was off to the side the whole time,
(05:26):
sometimes just out of frame, and typically friends with the
person who got murdered or has some kind of stake
with the person who got murdered, so she goes on
to try to solve the murder. Notably, this does not
usually involve cops, but typically at the end there is
some sort of revolution that isn't death, but sometimes it
(05:50):
is death. Sometimes. It's also very much a road trip story,
since she's traveling across the US and she's always looking
for odd jobs to make money, which in part explains
how she runs into just all of these situations. One
of my favorite examples of recontextualizing Charlie's involvement in the
(06:12):
story when you get the second half is from season one,
an episode called The Stall. This one is about like
a really renowned, dedicated barbecue pit master who suddenly decided
to retire, saying he can't he just can't do it anymore,
he can't slaughter animals anymore, and his brother and his
(06:32):
brother's wife are really against this because they can't afford
to buy him out and it's a really profitable business,
so they come up with this elaborate plan to murder him,
which they do. Then, when we get back to Charlie's
side of it, it turns out that she had basically
had to work there because a dog she didn't even
(06:55):
want to adopt ruined their restaurant ate a bunch of meats.
So she was working to pay off her debt and
she befriends the pitmaster and she gave him I don't
know why, I can't remember exactly why, but she gave
him all these movies about animals as the protagonist, like
(07:16):
Babe and Autia, and he was so moved by them.
That's why he decided to quit.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So she's the reason exactly essentially.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But it was so funny because you know, you're just
watching it and it's it's it's a fun recontextualizing of like, oh,
don't be friends with Unfortunately she yeah, has a bad
track record with that, which we'll talk about more in
a second. Another thing that they love to play with
(08:01):
is the like you know, they have the classic here's
how I figured it out monologue. A lot of times
that does not go down as expected in this show.
Another fun example of how they mess with the formula,
And actually I watched this episode at your house when
I was dog sitting Peaches, And another fun example of
(08:22):
how they mess with this formula is in the season
two episode Sloppy Joseph, which is one of my favorites.
A young girl murders a gerbil and a young boy's
self esteem, so not always murder, sometimes suicide, but generally
it's murder. Okay, but let us show I love that episode. Okay,
(08:48):
but let's talk about this character. When we first meet
Charlie Kele, she is working at Frost Casino and Las Vegas,
which has just been handed down to the boss's son,
Sterling Frost Junior. Basically, she had been using her ability
to fleece people in poker and make money, but she
got caught and is now sort of trapped in this
(09:10):
job because Frost Senior he had there had been rumors
about her gamblers talk, as they say, and he had
studied her for hours from this like crows ness that
he had in his casino, and he figured out what
she could do and told her, you know, you have
to otherwise people are going to punish you. You have
(09:31):
to work with me and you have to help me
detect these lies. And he also told everybody that she's dirty,
and so she couldn't gamble anymore. If you name, if
word gets out that you're dirty, I guess in the
gambling world that's it. So she works with her best
friend Natalie, who makes a pointed remark about why Charlie
(09:52):
complains about things but doesn't do anything about them. Natalie
discovers child pornography on the lapto of one of their
top gamblers, which she reports to Frost Junior. He promises
to investigate it, but instead has his right hand the
man Cliff, murder her and frame her abusive husband. However,
(10:14):
Charlie has her whole bull thing and knows that the
official story isn't true. She eventually finds a way to
record the failures of Frost Junior and pass them on
to his father because she says basically like, there are
other ways to punish people than the police. Junior kills
(10:35):
himself and Charlie is playing for it and forced to
flee in her sixty nine Barracuda that she pretty much
lives out of her car. When it comes to why
I would characterize her ability as neurodivergent, it seems that
she has a compulsion to call bolt like sometimes she
just says it because that's what she says, bull It's
(10:58):
and she can't stop herself. It gets her into trouble,
and there are multiple instances in the show when she
maligns how much this ability has and continues to impact
her life, whether it's family members cutting her out, her
constantly moving to try to find places with nobles are
(11:20):
so much be that it's white noise, which she did try,
developing an eye twitch or headaches because of how much
people lie. It completely impacts her life. And this is
interesting because people like to try to dissect how her
(11:42):
ability works. So it's not her reading tells. It is
a physical thing she experiences where she just knows something
is off, and it seems she can tell how big
the lie is. All right, So this is where we
get to the murder of the Weak plot, with the
overarching plot that Charlie has to continually move and stay
(12:05):
off the grid to avoid Cliff, who has been dispatched
to bring her back to Sterling Senior. She solves all
kinds of murders and all kinds of settings. There's a
metal band, there's race tracks, there's a special effects warehouse.
But eventually Cliff recaptures her after she's been nearly murdered
(12:27):
and hospitalized. And I have to say that episode was
a good twist on the whole thing too. Turns out
Sterling Senior knew that she hadn't murdered his son. Also,
he's a mafia boss, which we all suspected, and wants
to offer Charlie a legit job. However, he is murdered
and Charlie is framed for his death, so she flees
(12:51):
once again while in contact with her FBI friend Luca Clark,
and she retreats to her sister's house, who's played by
Claya Duval, and the two of them have been estrange
because Charlie was blamed in their family for causing their
parents to divorce because she knew they were lying about stuff.
(13:12):
They sort of makeup and Charlie gets the keys to
the family boat, only to learn that the boat doesn't function.
So desperate, she calls Cliff for help, but then discovers
he was the one who killed FROs Senior and attacks
him before jumping in the water and making her escape.
She then gets a call from the Consortium of mafia's
(13:35):
in the Eastern United States. The five families of their
called in, particularly Beatrix Hasp played by Ray Pearlman. They're
mad because she calls all this chaos and a power vacuum,
but Hasp offers her protection if she comes to work
for her. Charlie declines, Beatrix puts a hit out on her,
(13:56):
and Charlie is on the road fleeing once again. Then
this is when you get into season two. That was
all season one, And I'm only gonna quickly summarize season
two because it did just happen. But okay, more murders
solved across the US, more dodging a hitman, until Charlie
and Beatrix come to a truce and Beatrix agrees to
(14:17):
testify and exchange for witness protection. Charlie then finds her
way to an apartment in New York with the help
of Good Buddy, a person she communicates with on the radio.
More murders occur, and then assassins, and then she meets
a person who can lie to her. Oh, she meets
her Moriarty. And that's what I will leave it at all, right,
(14:52):
So I really enjoy it. I love a good puzzle,
Samantha nos I was nerding out about Dames, trying to
guess all the things that were going to happen. I
really enjoy it. But I also really enjoy the character
and actually She reminds me of you, Samantha Me yes,
because she is somebody who's really curious and does it
(15:15):
like back away from a tough conversation, Like she's somebody
who legitimately is like, no, tell me about this, I
want to know. I'm not just it's not a superficial
conversation with her. So when I think of traits that
this character displays, curiosity and cleverness, she's very very curious.
(15:36):
She cannot let things go. But she's also really smart.
She picks up on things so quickly. And I read
an article about how these kinds of shows work and
how like a couple of seconds matter because as the audience,
we're figuring it out as we're watching it, so they
have to be really tight with the editing, and they're
(15:58):
really good with that. But it feels like she's always
kind of a little even if you know who it is,
she's kind of ahead. She's very kind hearted. In this
most recent episode, her Moriarty called her compulsive do gooder.
But she is somebody who sees people for who they
(16:20):
are and wants to help them legitimately, and that's nice.
She isn't a bad place. Now I gotta tell you
that that season finale.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Was like.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
But she still was helping somebody at the end. And
also perhaps obviously honesty. She is honest and she values honesty.
There are ways people can get around her bullet detector,
like if you always kind of I don't know, answer
(16:52):
a question with the question. Are certain ways she can
phrase things. That is not what was going on with
the Moriarty though, but there are ways people can get
around it. And now I'm like, now that she's met
this person, I can imagine how terrifying that would be,
because you're so confident in this ability and then you
(17:12):
had someone come in and now can you trust it.
She's also pretty much a loner. She always makes friends.
She's very friendly, but she moves on like it's always
like I made this friend and then I move on,
and she's pretty she's a loner because of this ability.
It is sad too, Like I texted a friend after
(17:36):
I watched the finale today and I was like, I
didn't expect it. This is what I thought was going
to happen, and I didn't expect it to be this sad.
But she she thought she'd found somebody who always told
the truth, and she was so relieved. Oh jeez, but
she values that so much. She was so relieved that
(17:59):
somebody was just being honest with her. Oh gosh. Anyway,
she also she has spoken about how she kind of
she doesn't seek out danger or jeopardy, but she finds
it kind of exhilarating. Uh. And one of the things
that I there's a lot of suspension of disbelief, perhaps
(18:20):
obviously with the show, but one of the things that
I'm always like, why are you confronting these people alone?
What do you know that she does it all the
time though she confronts them alone, And I'm like, you're
a small lady and nobody knows where who you are.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You make a lot of people mad. Why would you
do this?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yes, I will say a lot of the murders are
kind of like crimes of passion. Sure, yeah, yeah, so
it's not like they're serial killers until recently. But still
I'm always like, my goodness. Also, the phone thing, they
haven't really figured that out, or she hasn't figured it out.
(19:03):
I don't know, but I'm always like, where is your phone?
But I do love the show, but those are my
things that I sometimes I'm like, what, so there actually
has been a lot of stuff written about poker face
and feminism. There are a lot of plotlines that condemn
(19:26):
particular types misogyny. I have to say, the show really
comes for certain types of misogynist dude bros a lot,
and when you look at who the victims are sometimes
it'll hit you over the head with like, yeah, this
dude is absolutely a misogynist. So I mean, even at
(19:49):
the start, Natalie with her abusive husband as the scapegoat,
there was this whole thing where he sent dick pics
to like everybody, or he showed up on their cloud
or something, and that was a part of the plot
and that was how they framed him. In a recent episode,
there was this whole thing with breast milk and guys
(20:10):
working out and drinking the breast milk, and it was
very like, these dudes are babies. These dudes are babies.
They're crying when they're not getting the muscles they want.
Tech bros galore, Wow, and then kind of just the
whole idea. One of the recent episodes is a really
(20:34):
good example of this. But like they were filming a
TV episode and it was very misogynistic. And then the
man who killed his wife used what was happening in
the TV episode to murder his wife because they were
filming it in his funeral home. He owned a funeral home,
and he killed her because she wanted to leave divorce him,
(20:58):
and then he burned her body and pressed her into
a vinyl of a song she hated. And it was
very much like this is a guy who just can't
even handle his wife. Lee. There's a lot of examples
(21:18):
of that. I would go into it, and actually I
would like to come back and talk about it, but
I already knew this one was going to be long,
so that's for a future episode. But for now, listeners,
if you have any suggestions for the segments or any
thoughts about this at all, please let me know because
I still have questions. I have one main question remaining
(21:40):
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Hey, this is Sanny and Smitha and welcome to stuff
I never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome
to another edition of Fictional Women Around the World. Spoilers,
(00:26):
but nothing too major. I'm trying to avoid it. The
season finale for season two of poker Face just came
out this very morning, and I'm still processing somethings, so
I'm trying not just boil it majorly. But it did
just happen. So if you want to avoid it completely,
(00:47):
then I recommend the show. It's on Peacock, which is
not a sponsor. But anyway, all right, today we are
talking about Charlie Cale from the television show poker Face,
who I would argue is neurodivergent, and I'm going to
get into that more later. So poker Face is a
(01:07):
mystery comedy drama show that debuted on Peacock, again not
a sponsor, in twenty twenty three. It currently has two seasons,
the second one just wrapped. It was created by Ryan
Johnson of Knives Out and The Last Jedi Fame and
features just a plethora of guest stars. I'm always shocked
who shows up on there. Guest writers and guest directors,
(01:31):
including Natasha Leone, who plays the main character. She actually
directed the finale of season two. It is highly influenced
by the show Colombo, which I have never seen. Oh
you haven't, No, have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, I grew up with very Matt Locke Colombo, not
much of murder.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
She wrote that might be a ho misogynistic thing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I don't know, because my family, my grandfather specifically watched those,
but my dad loved Colombo.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I looked it up because of this, because I was
missing so many references. I was like, oh, really, m
a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
He was kind of the not the original, but he
was definitely a big icon in that he was goofy
and seemingly like you're unsuspecting of his genius, but he
actually is a genius, and he's not your normal looking detective.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yes. Well, in the last episode, which was directed by
Ty West and was pretty scary for what is the
usual of this series, they're the character in there who
was an assassin did a Colombo impression and I had
That's when I was like, who is this? I had
(02:44):
to look it up, and so I watched a bunch
of clips and I was like, Okay, I see I
see the icon yeah, the influence, yes, and okay. So
the show's protagonist, Charlie Kale, frequently smokes or vapes as
an homage to a Colombo character, and it's also how
(03:06):
can you catch them? And not who done it? So
the way the show is structured is you already, as
the viewer, know usually who did it, it's how is
she going to figure it out? So here's a basic
rundown of the premise. Charlie Cale, played by Natasha Leone,
is a woman in her mid thirties who has this
(03:26):
ability to detect when people are lying. A human light
detector is how she often describes herself. She's sort of
the antithesis to Anna de Armis's character and knives Out
because she couldn't lie. The thing is, she can't tell
why people are lying, because people why for all sorts
(03:47):
of reasons. Because of her ability and just her overall personality.
This means she gets sucked into so Manie Shenanigan's especially
murders kids obviously obviously, and just to mention, Natasha Leone
had a cameo in Ria Johnson's Knives Out sequel Glass
(04:09):
Onion when there was a bunch of detectives that Blanc's
character was playing. What was that game that was so
popular for who?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't I don't remember this Mafia, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't Mafia, but it was. It was
the game where, like you, there's a trader in the
group and they're trying to sabotage you. We were going
to play it with our listeners, are we so long ago?
She was one of the when Blanc was playing among us,
(04:45):
She was one of the people. It was during pandemic,
so they were all kind of locked down. She was
one of the people that was playing with him virtually
all right. So generally this show is a murder of
the week show, though there are some exceptions and definitely
times they play on the audience's expectation of what that
(05:05):
is for a surprise factor, But generally the episodes are
structured like this. We see the story of someone we
don't know play out, and in one way or another,
it leads to a murder and usually an attempt to
cover it up. Then the second half of the show
reveals how Charlie was off to the side the whole time,
(05:26):
sometimes just out of frame, and typically friends with the
person who got murdered or has some kind of stake
with the person who got murdered, so she goes on
to try to solve the murder. Notably, this does not
usually involve cops, but typically at the end there is
some sort of revolution that isn't death, but sometimes it
(05:50):
is death. Sometimes. It's also very much a road trip story,
since she's traveling across the US and she's always looking
for odd jobs to make money, which in part explains
how she runs into just all of these situations. One
of my favorite examples of recontextualizing Charlie's involvement in the
(06:12):
story when you get the second half is from season one,
an episode called The Stall. This one is about like
a really renowned, dedicated barbecue pit master who suddenly decided
to retire, saying he can't he just can't do it anymore,
he can't slaughter animals anymore, and his brother and his
(06:32):
brother's wife are really against this because they can't afford
to buy him out and it's a really profitable business,
so they come up with this elaborate plan to murder him,
which they do. Then, when we get back to Charlie's
side of it, it turns out that she had basically
had to work there because a dog she didn't even
(06:55):
want to adopt ruined their restaurant ate a bunch of meats.
So she was working to pay off her debt and
she befriends the pitmaster and she gave him I don't
know why, I can't remember exactly why, but she gave
him all these movies about animals as the protagonist, like
(07:16):
Babe and Autia, and he was so moved by them.
That's why he decided to quit.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So she's the reason exactly essentially.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But it was so funny because you know, you're just
watching it and it's it's it's a fun recontextualizing of like, oh,
don't be friends with Unfortunately she yeah, has a bad
track record with that, which we'll talk about more in
a second. Another thing that they love to play with
(08:01):
is the like you know, they have the classic here's
how I figured it out monologue. A lot of times
that does not go down as expected in this show.
Another fun example of how they mess with the formula,
And actually I watched this episode at your house when
I was dog sitting Peaches, And another fun example of
(08:22):
how they mess with this formula is in the season
two episode Sloppy Joseph, which is one of my favorites.
A young girl murders a gerbil and a young boy's
self esteem, so not always murder, sometimes suicide, but generally
it's murder. Okay, but let us show I love that episode. Okay,
(08:48):
but let's talk about this character. When we first meet
Charlie Kele, she is working at Frost Casino and Las Vegas,
which has just been handed down to the boss's son,
Sterling Frost Junior. Basically, she had been using her ability
to fleece people in poker and make money, but she
got caught and is now sort of trapped in this
(09:10):
job because Frost Senior he had there had been rumors
about her gamblers talk, as they say, and he had
studied her for hours from this like crows ness that
he had in his casino, and he figured out what
she could do and told her, you know, you have
to otherwise people are going to punish you. You have
(09:31):
to work with me and you have to help me
detect these lies. And he also told everybody that she's dirty,
and so she couldn't gamble anymore. If you name, if
word gets out that you're dirty, I guess in the
gambling world that's it. So she works with her best
friend Natalie, who makes a pointed remark about why Charlie
(09:52):
complains about things but doesn't do anything about them. Natalie
discovers child pornography on the lapto of one of their
top gamblers, which she reports to Frost Junior. He promises
to investigate it, but instead has his right hand the
man Cliff, murder her and frame her abusive husband. However,
(10:14):
Charlie has her whole bull thing and knows that the
official story isn't true. She eventually finds a way to
record the failures of Frost Junior and pass them on
to his father because she says basically like, there are
other ways to punish people than the police. Junior kills
(10:35):
himself and Charlie is playing for it and forced to
flee in her sixty nine Barracuda that she pretty much
lives out of her car. When it comes to why
I would characterize her ability as neurodivergent, it seems that
she has a compulsion to call bolt like sometimes she
just says it because that's what she says, bull It's
(10:58):
and she can't stop herself. It gets her into trouble,
and there are multiple instances in the show when she
maligns how much this ability has and continues to impact
her life, whether it's family members cutting her out, her
constantly moving to try to find places with nobles are
(11:20):
so much be that it's white noise, which she did try,
developing an eye twitch or headaches because of how much
people lie. It completely impacts her life. And this is
interesting because people like to try to dissect how her
(11:42):
ability works. So it's not her reading tells. It is
a physical thing she experiences where she just knows something
is off, and it seems she can tell how big
the lie is. All right, So this is where we
get to the murder of the Weak plot, with the
overarching plot that Charlie has to continually move and stay
(12:05):
off the grid to avoid Cliff, who has been dispatched
to bring her back to Sterling Senior. She solves all
kinds of murders and all kinds of settings. There's a
metal band, there's race tracks, there's a special effects warehouse.
But eventually Cliff recaptures her after she's been nearly murdered
(12:27):
and hospitalized. And I have to say that episode was
a good twist on the whole thing too. Turns out
Sterling Senior knew that she hadn't murdered his son. Also,
he's a mafia boss, which we all suspected, and wants
to offer Charlie a legit job. However, he is murdered
and Charlie is framed for his death, so she flees
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once again while in contact with her FBI friend Luca Clark,
and she retreats to her sister's house, who's played by
Claya Duval, and the two of them have been estrange
because Charlie was blamed in their family for causing their
parents to divorce because she knew they were lying about stuff.
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They sort of makeup and Charlie gets the keys to
the family boat, only to learn that the boat doesn't function.
So desperate, she calls Cliff for help, but then discovers
he was the one who killed FROs Senior and attacks
him before jumping in the water and making her escape.
She then gets a call from the Consortium of mafia's
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in the Eastern United States. The five families of their
called in, particularly Beatrix Hasp played by Ray Pearlman. They're
mad because she calls all this chaos and a power vacuum,
but Hasp offers her protection if she comes to work
for her. Charlie declines, Beatrix puts a hit out on her,
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and Charlie is on the road fleeing once again. Then
this is when you get into season two. That was
all season one, And I'm only gonna quickly summarize season
two because it did just happen. But okay, more murders
solved across the US, more dodging a hitman, until Charlie
and Beatrix come to a truce and Beatrix agrees to
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testify and exchange for witness protection. Charlie then finds her
way to an apartment in New York with the help
of Good Buddy, a person she communicates with on the radio.
More murders occur, and then assassins, and then she meets
a person who can lie to her. Oh, she meets
her Moriarty. And that's what I will leave it at all, right,
(14:52):
So I really enjoy it. I love a good puzzle,
Samantha nos I was nerding out about Dames, trying to
guess all the things that were going to happen. I
really enjoy it. But I also really enjoy the character
and actually She reminds me of you, Samantha Me yes,
because she is somebody who's really curious and does it
(15:15):
like back away from a tough conversation, Like she's somebody
who legitimately is like, no, tell me about this, I
want to know. I'm not just it's not a superficial
conversation with her. So when I think of traits that
this character displays, curiosity and cleverness, she's very very curious.
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She cannot let things go. But she's also really smart.
She picks up on things so quickly. And I read
an article about how these kinds of shows work and
how like a couple of seconds matter because as the audience,
we're figuring it out as we're watching it, so they
have to be really tight with the editing, and they're
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really good with that. But it feels like she's always
kind of a little even if you know who it is,
she's kind of ahead. She's very kind hearted. In this
most recent episode, her Moriarty called her compulsive do gooder.
But she is somebody who sees people for who they
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are and wants to help them legitimately, and that's nice.
She isn't a bad place. Now I gotta tell you
that that season finale.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Was like.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
But she still was helping somebody at the end. And
also perhaps obviously honesty. She is honest and she values honesty.
There are ways people can get around her bullet detector,
like if you always kind of I don't know, answer
(16:52):
a question with the question. Are certain ways she can
phrase things. That is not what was going on with
the Moriarty though, but there are ways people can get
around it. And now I'm like, now that she's met
this person, I can imagine how terrifying that would be,
because you're so confident in this ability and then you
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had someone come in and now can you trust it.
She's also pretty much a loner. She always makes friends.
She's very friendly, but she moves on like it's always
like I made this friend and then I move on,
and she's pretty she's a loner because of this ability.
It is sad too, Like I texted a friend after
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I watched the finale today and I was like, I
didn't expect it. This is what I thought was going
to happen, and I didn't expect it to be this sad.
But she she thought she'd found somebody who always told
the truth, and she was so relieved. Oh jeez, but
she values that so much. She was so relieved that
(17:59):
somebody was just being honest with her. Oh gosh. Anyway,
she also she has spoken about how she kind of
she doesn't seek out danger or jeopardy, but she finds
it kind of exhilarating. Uh. And one of the things
that I there's a lot of suspension of disbelief, perhaps
(18:20):
obviously with the show, but one of the things that
I'm always like, why are you confronting these people alone?
What do you know that she does it all the
time though she confronts them alone, And I'm like, you're
a small lady and nobody knows where who you are.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You make a lot of people mad. Why would you
do this?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yes, I will say a lot of the murders are
kind of like crimes of passion. Sure, yeah, yeah, so
it's not like they're serial killers until recently. But still
I'm always like, my goodness. Also, the phone thing, they
haven't really figured that out, or she hasn't figured it out.
(19:03):
I don't know, but I'm always like, where is your phone?
But I do love the show, but those are my
things that I sometimes I'm like, what, so there actually
has been a lot of stuff written about poker face
and feminism. There are a lot of plotlines that condemn
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particular types misogyny. I have to say, the show really
comes for certain types of misogynist dude bros a lot,
and when you look at who the victims are sometimes
it'll hit you over the head with like, yeah, this
dude is absolutely a misogynist. So I mean, even at
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the start, Natalie with her abusive husband as the scapegoat,
there was this whole thing where he sent dick pics
to like everybody, or he showed up on their cloud
or something, and that was a part of the plot
and that was how they framed him. In a recent episode,
there was this whole thing with breast milk and guys
(20:10):
working out and drinking the breast milk, and it was
very like, these dudes are babies. These dudes are babies.
They're crying when they're not getting the muscles they want.
Tech bros galore, Wow, and then kind of just the
whole idea. One of the recent episodes is a really
(20:34):
good example of this. But like they were filming a
TV episode and it was very misogynistic. And then the
man who killed his wife used what was happening in
the TV episode to murder his wife because they were
filming it in his funeral home. He owned a funeral home,
and he killed her because she wanted to leave divorce him,
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and then he burned her body and pressed her into
a vinyl of a song she hated. And it was
very much like this is a guy who just can't
even handle his wife. Lee. There's a lot of examples
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of that. I would go into it, and actually I
would like to come back and talk about it, but
I already knew this one was going to be long,
so that's for a future episode. But for now, listeners,
if you have any suggestions for the segments or any
thoughts about this at all, please let me know because
I still have questions. I have one main question remaining
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