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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I know all this stuff.
Never told you a protection of my Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And welcome to another happy hour where I talk about things.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm still excited, That's all I got. I have no
idea what it is.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm excited to see what you know. And I'm also
excited to hear from our listeners because i know you
all will have opinions on this. But before we start,
this is a happy hour. If you do any of
the happy hour things, do so responsibly. Annie, are you
doing anything responsibly?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I am. We're recording pretty late right now this dinner time.
I am still working on some of the wine my
mom gave me for my birthday and for Christmas she
gives me. She gives me bottles of wine.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, nice enjoying that. Well, I'm sticking
to my diet doctor pepper or crime soda or zero.
That is one of my favorites. Right now, giving me
a little bit of pep because we have been recording
for a minute, and we were going in late and
I woke up early because I went to bed early
last night. Anny, Oh yeah, like nine thirty. It was surprising,
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like the entire household my partner and my dog and
I went to bed that early, fell asleep. It was
odd all of that to say yes. So we are
not currently sponsored by anything, including what I'm about to
talk about, but it has a lot of controversy. So
any have you ever heard of Focus Friends?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I have not heard of that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Okay, So this is an app that was created by
Hank Green. Do you know Hank Green?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I do?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
He's kind of our I guess, younger generation of like
Bill Nye the Science Guide level of like with different
levels of information and such. Anyway, so he with developers
and other creators started this app orated this app for
the intention that it would help you stop doom scrolling.
(02:06):
So because you people do so much, including myself, that
he's like, hey, what if we give them something cutesy
and something to do, like occupy their phone so they
can't get to it so they won't scroll so much.
So essentially, and I'm describing this on my own without
looking at the app, and I'll pull it up for
you in a minute, but like, essentially, what this is
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is a bean that you need that knits, and in
that time, while it knits for however long, you said it.
It creates a certain amount of sucks and then you
can take these socks and turn it into like transactions
to create and decorate their room. So and it's only
(02:51):
one room right now? No, actually I just saw I
just got an update and there's now a living room,
so you can do that. Because I was like, what
happens when you finished doing this? And had I finished it?
Because when I get focused on something, I truly focus
on it. But people are actually very upset about this
because a lot of the knitters in the knitter world
are like, ay what because they decided to add a
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paid part to this app because there's no ads thus
far that if you want to pay a subscription or
if you want to pay a thing, they will give
you access to be able to make scarves, which is
more in value and harder to do than the socks. Immediately,
do you already know? Our riders around the world were like, A,
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you know, it's way more difficult to make socks than
it is to make scarves. And that is very very,
very very true because I have made a small scarf
in my three months focusing of trying to knit. And
I say a scarf, I just mean just a pattern
of rectangle. It's still like tied off to my ball
(04:04):
of yarn because I don't know how to end things
because I didn't get that far. I need to pick
it back up. But it's a thing, but it is.
It's very difficult. So to actually make a pattern like
a sock, it takes a lot of intricacies and workings
that I don't think I will ever graduate to. Like
I want to because I want to have a survival
skill and this seems like a good one to make clothes.
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But at the same time, like it's really hard. I
don't know if I can do this. It's so people
who are like, hey, you might want to rethink this.
So at first it was just a cute conversation of
like you just flip this, do the scarves and then
the socks because this makes more sense in the Netterer world.
You know, you can do all these things whatever, whatnot.
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It was okay for a minute. Then he got onto
his show, which is a YouTube show called side Show,
which talks about science. Great, he does a lot of science,
He does a lot of research on different things. Ever,
in this show, he pissed off a lot of knitters
like they were angry because not only did he try to,
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as some people would say, man's plain knitting because he
obviously doesn't know how to knit. And I say obvious
because they were like, if you think socks are easier
to make than scarves, and you have no idea what
you're doing in general, just in general, but also because
of the way that he tried to too many kind
of infantilize the art of knitting, saying almost undermining the
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math that goes behind it, the science that goes behind it,
the layers of understanding patterns and directions and equations and
what it looks like to actually be able to create
items from knitting. And so people are really really upset,
Like I went through and looked up the Reddit comments
(05:58):
because at first I couldn't find the articles. I think
a new articles have showed up, and I've seen several
TikTok videos where people are like, Hey, you'all need to
talk about this, and how it's just misogynistic. There's just
an underlying level of misogyny that you're putting to imply
that knitting is not of worth value, again, undermining something
that women like to do as a mere little hobby.
Essentially again, We've talked about this previously, when we talked
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about they don't credit like fans or any of those
hobby type of things as being of importance because a
woman doesn't or it's dominated by women. And they went
through and they were like, hey, so I don't understand
why you would do it this way. Not only did
you infantilize what we do, you also kind of undermine
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what we do and trying to take out some of
the science that does go behind knitting. Also, you were wrong.
You are so blatantly wrong in what you're talking about
that all of these other YouTubers who are to dedicate
their channels to knitting and how to knit, which I'm
grateful for them because they taught me how to start
again haven't gone far enough to figure out how to end,
(07:04):
but you know, they taught me how to start. But
they were like, came back and be like, these are
the things that you got wrong. So they fact checked
him essentially to that. But like some of the Reddit
people are upset. One says, did Hank Green just Man's
plain knitting and in that people in that red it
(07:27):
was like, oh, y'all are being too sensitive and making
jokes and undermining people being offended by his video and
saying that they are making a drama out of nothing.
Not allowed for this, and also, by the way, in
another TikTok video which I love a creator I know,
a black creator I know, was like, oh, these white
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women are understanding intersectionality about the fact that he's trying
to explain something to you and saying that this is
this without understanding like the intricacies and the knowledge and
the depth and how it can undermine just because he's
liking something, but he's trying to explain it without knowing something,
and then also trying to make excuses. They're like, oh,
it's so funny. It's a good video too, I think
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a great parallel. But again, so this show undermined the
app that he created because he tried to use this
as a way to explain why he's not completely wrong
of using socks instead of scarves, it says from this
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article Vulture. They actually did write about it a couple
of days ago. It says YouTuber Debora Nitz call this
sid show video main explaining and generally pushed back on
the idea that science would legitimize knitting more than it
already was. Knitting has historically been devalued because it's women's work.
She says Hank could have said knitting is being used
in physics, how cool. Instead the way he said it
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came across as knitting's kind of silly, but physics makes
it serious again, undermine all that. Debra also pointed out
that trial and error is also the backbone of scientific
inquiry and denigrating it as inferior to computer modeling is whack.
And it goes on to say one small detail knitters
have pointed out about Green's video, turning the hill in
a sock isn't the simple thing he claimed, it's real
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rubicon of knitting and a make or break that separates
the true pearl heads from those who say, get I'm
just making scars for the rest of my life. People
have died, but like that's that's the thing. And he
tried to undermine what this was and what it looked
like and like the level of where it's coming from
and saying yes, signs applies, so that makes it cool
and steatified. But knitting is just cool. So there's so
(09:43):
many things to this that he is getting under wraps,
and people like, is he getting canceled for this knitting,
and he did come back and I did actually recently
see a video, So there's a lot to this as
well of like him as a creator, having creators on
pedestals without recordizing that human infallible. There's a lot to
that because like, yeah, people love him. I'm just not
(10:07):
one of those people. Sure, Like there's nothing about him
that's like I'm offended about, But I also don't think
he's the answer to be Like he comes off as
the genius and I'm afraid people upset because Hank Green
lovers are very passionate about defending him, but like, like
he's just a man. It's fine, and he's got a
lot of intelligence and reads a lot and gives a
(10:29):
lot of great information, and I listen to his information
and that's great, But like I don't cling to everything
he says like that, but I know some people will.
But with that in that level of like taking something
that he knows nothing about and then integrating it, because
what he's created has kind of not necessarily insulted it,
(10:50):
but just kind of like it's not rational. It's easier
to make a scarf over a sock. I feel like
that's in general, would it be an obvious.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It feels obvious to me.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Maybe we know knitter, I can't die.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I can't do either, but I can barely do one,
and both require skills, yes that I don't have. But
I feel like a scarf is a pretty like standard
right pattern and straight, but a sock you have to.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
There's nuance that I don't understand, so like to see,
like to understand when a knitter says this is easier
than that, I feel like, yeah, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So instead of hearing that, he decided to take this
show and do this thing, and there was no apology
and no like you're right. He does a contrition in
his video when it's addressing the size show issue, but
he doesn't really apologize and he doesn't really offer a correction.
He did get challenged at one point and said you
should you should try to learn, try to yourself knit
(11:52):
a sock without pattern and see what happens. And he
was like, please don't make me do this. So I
don't know what that means. I don't know if he's
going to take that except maybe maybe not. So the
producer of the show, she did kind of apologize and
recognize like, maybe they did this incorrectly, but it again,
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there's a lot when it comes to a community that
feels like they have been taken for granted. And also
in that conversation, they also talked about the fact that
this was a sign of resistance. Knitting was a sign
of resistance. Knitting and sewing is a show of resistance
to a lot of things. We've seen this what they did.
A lot of this art that they do is a
show of resistance as well and survival if you really
(12:35):
want to talk about it. And yeah, so the producer
did say in an interview, as quoted by Daily Dot,
they admitted that some terminology and visuals were incorrect. A
mislabeled visual of reverse stuck in net doesn't invalidate the
trustworthiness and value of the science lessons in this video.
They also emphasized that side show often simplifies material for accessibility.
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In this case, however, the simplifying language may have alienated
knitters was just not their intention. So there's a like
one of the producers did acknowledge it. Hank Green, who
is the face of that episode, didn't acknowledge it or
hasn't really acknowledged it, And people are upset. People are upset,
So it's finding. It's interesting to see because I think
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people in the knitting world have the right to be
represented in a good light and in a correct light,
and if they have criticism, they should be able to
do this. But it's interesting that it came from an
app that was about doom scrolling and focusing that involved
the bean that I have named mind Blurt Blurt, the
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bean that my partner has, a bean named Tomo.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Has it helped with your dune scrolling?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I've decorated things, Okay, it helps when I'm like working,
it does help.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So I'm gonna need you to look up on the
I need you. I don't need you to look it
up because you don't need you focusing, but like.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Just look at the bean.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, the bean, I'll show. I'll see direct of my bean.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Please, Okay, yeah, I do have to say real quickly,
I had not heard about any of this, but it
is funny to me because I do really love this
YouTube show that Seth Myers does, called Corrections, and it
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started in the pandemic as just the kind of absurd
comedy of reading YouTube comments and trying to correct things.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
But he was first attacked by the Lego community and
oh god, it's legos, and then he was the knitting
community came for him. It's all in good fun. So
when I say game for him, it was a very
like here's what she got wrong to say correctly, here's
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how to say it correctly. And it ended up being
really funny because knitters kept sending him stuff and he
would wear it on the show. I feel like the
knitting community sounds fantastic and I love you all.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, I stand with you.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh I am so with you. And after that, I
was writing a chapter of fan fiction and I had
something about knitting in there and I wrote at the
bottom like correct me because I know I didn't get
it right, and they wrote in and I was like,
thank you, that's all we need. It's fantastic. I enjoy it.
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I can't do it. It's a very valuable thing. I
stand by the Knitters.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, we're on the side of the Knitters.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
We are we are. So if any of you listeners
are knitters, please let us know or any creative endeavor
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