September 15, 2025 • 22 mins
After the 2025 US Presidential election, the number of people trying to leave the US has increased. Anney and Samantha go over some of the reasons why.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff on Never Toally proprection by her radio.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And welcome to another Monday MANI And you know what,
the world is turning upside down and with many people
fearing what may happen in the future. I am many people.
By the way, it isn't surprising to see that for
my FYP it is completely inundated with recommendations on where
to go if you're trying to leave the US. Any
(00:42):
have you got hit with any of these? No, but
I'm not on social media and social media, but are you, like,
do you have any advertisements or even any inklings or conversations?
Has any articles popped up for you?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Interesting? Just me as fair. It's fair. Also, I'm getting
a lot of videos on getting medical care for a
lot cheaper around the world than the US, and people
going on what's called medical tourism, and people are going
to I've seen Turkey a lot, South Korea a lot,
but just like other countries, I've seen a few people
going to Mexico. I don't know if it's racism, and
(01:18):
so therefore it seems like people talking about things that
are happening in Mexico not not being as good as
other places. I feel like that maybe underlying of racism
in general and capitalism in the US. So I don't know,
but I've seen a lot more for like Turkey and
South Korea, and by the way, South Korea has a
lot of shady practices, like unqualified people pretending to be surgeons.
(01:39):
But anyway, all of that to say, like, there's a
lot of this coming into my feed. So because of
all this, this has been something that's in the back
of my head, like I thought I might go somewhere.
Where should I go? How does this process look? So
I decided to take a look at the current trends
and statistics in this hellhole healthscape of the government and
(02:00):
what is happening. And no surprise, numbers have increased for
those who are actually moving and increase numbers for those
who want to move. So a lot of this is
being said, I will say put here, Yeah, this is
all about people with money, so people who can afford it,
people who aren't tied down, people who don't have family
that they don't have to take care of. This is
(02:20):
very privileged talk, and I get that, but it still
doesn't change the fact that people are talking about it,
and for those who can't do it, they also wish
they could. Like there's this level of like, no, but
I need to leave. Help me raise my fund. So
I've seen people just trying to get up of their states.
So a lot of trans people out of Texas, Georgia,
anywhere in the South, like please help me get out
(02:41):
of here to at least go to California, to New
York where I have access if nothing else. So there's
a lot of that conversation. It's bad, but so here,
we thought we'd take a minute to look at statistics
as well as where people are recommending to go. So
this is from Seattle Times. Dot Com estimated one thy
(03:01):
two hundred and eighty five at US citizens expectorated in
the first quarter of twenty twenty five, making one hundred
and two percent increase compared with the last quarter of
twenty twenty four. Then this is according to a report
from CS Global Partners, which analyze the toxics from the
US Federal Register. Should this pattern continue, twenty twenty five
(03:21):
is poised to see a record high number of Americans
relocating overseas, surpassing the previous peak in twenty twenty, during
the height of the COVID nineteen pandemic. The numbers are high,
and we're going to talk a little more about those
numbers in a minute. But yeah, a lot of people
are leaving. That is a record one hundred and two
percent increase, like it is more than double. Have you
(03:44):
thought about possibly leaving the country.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I've thought about it, but not seriously. I have two
what would you go?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
We have to I haveings, like actual physical things, or
like obligation or bones.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Okay, I I New Zealand's that's New Zealand place.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, apparently it's one of the top ones. Like everybody's
list has New Zealand and there. New Zealand scares me.
There's so many creatures. We just talked about this with Ease.
Too many creatures out there in New Zealand. I know
is different from Australia, but they both have creatures unknown.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I will say Australia and my experience because I have
been to both, Australia has a lot more concerns in
that arena. But I don't know. You could be right.
Maybe it's an unknown.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Maybe maybe I just don't know well enough. New Zealand
has also been the dream spot to vacation. Yeah, also,
like you do want to see it, That's what I've heard.
I do have people who I do know, people who
live there and who are from there, so I feel like,
I mean, it's still a large country, so I can't
like like I know someone there, So you know, that
doesn't mean they know all of New Zealand, but they
definitely know New Zealand better than I do. But yeah,
(04:59):
that is spot and Yeah, people are actually using relocation
services to find the best places for them, so this
business is booming, these relocation services. Here's another quote from
The Guardian. They write, since Trump's return to power, relocation
firms from London to Lisbon and Madrid to Milan save.
They've seen US searge and inquiries from Americans and daunted
(05:21):
by the gains made by the far right across the continent.
Many Americans cite a desire to escape the US's increasingly
polarized climate and an administration whose wide range of targets
has included immigrants, diversity measures, and political opponents. And then
they continue, statistics show that the barrage of interest is
translating into action. In the first two months of the year,
(05:44):
US applications for Irish passports were at their highest level
in a decade, up sixty percent from the same period
last year. In the first three months of the year,
France reported a rise in the number of long stay
visa requests from Americans, while in March the number of
Americans who had solicited British citizenship in the twelve months
before search to its highest since record keeping began in
(06:07):
two thousand and four. So people are going now. I
will say my choices do not include France, nor England
or the UK in general, mainly because they're not doing
so great either, Like it seems like that, yes, they're
better off than the US in my opinion, but they're
still kind of arising into the conservatism as well. We
see the anti trans rhetoric happening in the UK and
(06:28):
it's really gross. There's been an uprise in anti immigration
stances within the UK as well. Now I know we
have some UK listeners, so you can let us know
how far it's gone, because obviously we're kind of blinded
by our own issues, but we do want to know
what's going around. I have the France, I mean, they well,
(06:50):
there's a lot happening France.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I was reading about this when I couldn't sleep the
other night. I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
My ministers are being let go left and right.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So wow, votes have no confidence, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But at least it feels like that means the citizens
are being heard versus what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But you know what the frustrating thing is every time,
and I know French people, I don't have to tell you,
but every time Marie the pin comes up and I'm like,
you're still around, You're still around.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Don't you feel shocked by that? You're like, wait, I
thought you were going to tell what Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
My gosh, and you have a statement and you're like,
well now it's my time.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh my, here I go. Right. But you know, yeah,
like I said, this could be just from what we
see based on the US. Again, yeah, I know all
of our self are censored, and I know we're not
getting all of the news. It's feeling very dark here.
But again, like as a Korean, I'm like, I don't
(07:58):
think I wanna go there, and I don't want to
go to the South Korea either, y'all because I see
the same things. I'm like, there's a lot at least
the citizens have a lot more rights. But when it
comes to like the pressures and the anti stuff with
like the queer community, anti stuff with like women in general,
I don't want to be there. Like I'm trying to
find a better point, and unfortunately South Korea does not
(08:19):
look like it's getting better at this point. I'm not
trying to diss all the countries. I'm so sorry. I've
just tried to be like, is it good or is
it our censorship like on that, But I've seen a
lot of good things about China recently, and at the
same time, I'm like, but we know there's still some
underlying issues within the covernment, so let's not get too
(08:40):
caught up in that. So with all of that, Newsweek
actually wrote this as well about the increases they wrote
and this is all, by the way, twenty twenty five articles. Obviously,
(09:01):
I feel like you can tell contact clues, but just
in case y'all need to know, the things that we're
reading currently is twenty twenty five unless otherwise stated. Is as.
A recent survey conducted by Harris Pohl found that four
and ten US adults forty two percent have considered or
plan to relocate outside the country to improve their quality
of life or financial position. Among younger generations, these numbers
were even higher, at sixty three percent of Gen z
(09:24):
ers and fifty two percent of millennials. I guess I'm
in that fifty two percent because I've definitely been considering
it and looking at my options. It's interesting to there
was in this article one relocation firm from the in
the Netherlands that have called this the Trump eugs like refugees,
(09:46):
but they're running away from Trump. I don't want to
put cute names on things. This is not cute because
it's ugly. Anything with that name makes me think it's ugly.
But it does indicate they know why the people are leaving. Yeah,
so all of that is is that's how they've kind
of stamped these people. And that was the title of
the article. Ohkay, oh yeah, what is this? What is this?
(10:10):
But and there again are many reasons people have been moving.
This is for my twenty twenty four Yeah, here we go.
See article from Harvey Law Corporation dot com. And yes,
they're doing this in the process of being like, hey,
we'll help you leave the country. So it was an
advertisement with their information, but just to put it up there.
They wrote several things on the list, one of them
(10:30):
being no affordable healthcare and higher costs of living in
the US. They wrote this, the amount spent on healthcare
in the US rose by seven point five percent in
twenty twenty three. This brings the total of to four
point nine trillion dollars or fourteen thousand, five hundred and
seventy dollars per person. This increase is similar to what
(10:52):
it was before the pandemic. The soaring cost of living
and healthcare in the United States is often cited as
a primary reason for immigration. For many, the financial burden
has become unsustainable, prompting them to seek more affordable alternatives abroad. Again,
we talked about the medical tourism and how that has
become a new thing, and it makes sense. It makes sense,
(11:16):
especially with social media showing maybe a glamorized version, but
showing access and what it looks like, and the amount
of costs for places like Turkey and such, who know
that the US are going to spend more than the
locals because whatever the more is is still much less
than what is in the US, and it's not contingent
(11:38):
to work, which is all different conversation, like we've normalized that.
It took years for me to realize, Oh, that shouldn't
be normal. But anyway, all of that to say that
this makes sense, like this reason for living alone, Like
even if it's higher taxes, it's still cheaper.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah. Yeah, my dad was really sick. He wanted he
was talking about doing this, and I don't know if
it would have been better or not, but he looked
into it because he didn't know what else to do.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Really, it really doesn't make sense because, as we know,
we are already seeing conversations warning everyone that all of
our premiums, all of our stuff is about to go up,
possibly by twenty percent, if not twenty five percent, for
everyone across the board. And this is those who are employed.
That nobody's getting a raise. Technically the last few years
(12:37):
we got a decrease, a significant decrease in our salary,
but our interest is going up. And with the insurance,
I'm still having to pay two thousand dollars for the
appointments that I've had. Yeah, this is why I don't
go with doctors.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know, we've talked about this, we have to think
about this. We're like, oh, is it well maybe I'll
just roll the dice and hope it turns out Okay, right, I.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think I'll self medicate sleeping. I'm just kidding. So another
reason that they have cited was a work life balance,
and we've talked about that many times. There was one
video that just popped up before this that talked about
what she hated about her work, and she was like,
I only work twenty hours a week, but because I
working I believe Denmark was where she's from. They're making
(13:19):
me take my six week vacation leave because that's the
amount that they have to go as a part time worker,
no matter what, because if not, they would have to
pay her out. But I'm like, you know, that's kind
of gross. They should she wants to be paid out,
she should, But at the same time, are you kidding me?
They purposely tricked us with the unlimited PTO here in
the US, saying that you have unlimited PTO when in
(13:39):
an actual wality they're like, no, but you shouldn't take it,
and they tricked us and they ended that was better,
but it's not. But like in the US, they they
don't care. Most of the times, you're two weeks. By
the way, it's only two weeks guarantee vacation in a year,
just goes away the next year. Yeah, oh yeah, and
(14:02):
you don't get compensated with anything. You just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah yeah, so used as if you got it. That's
what everyone always tells you, and I never do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
But right, right. Another thing, obviously, the big thing that
I feel like we've been talking about with the trumpugees
or you know, Trump refugees, is the political and social unrest.
There's a lot we can say about this. Obviously for
the queer community lgbt QIA folks, that's an obvious big
(14:32):
conversation about where should we go all of our rights
being taken away from us tramps people are literally being
told they cannot have weapons or which is like Second Amendment,
right unless you're trans for the point zero zero one
percent who have actually committed crimes. Yeah, and for the
(14:54):
what thousands and thousands who have died needless sleep by
violence because they're trans. But you know what, whatever, we're that.
Another part of that would be the refugees and immigration
status as well, when we talk about even those who
are quote unquote legally here and I don't like that
(15:16):
term obviously but who have documents showing that they are
here on visas, green cards, citizenships. All of that, they're
still being deported. And now with the new ability to
just profile anyone who is of color and detained based
on whether or not they believe you or not. And
then that you don't get deported to your home country,
you get deported to a work camp or just disappeared.
(15:42):
So that's a good reason to also leave. Many have
voluntarily left, Many are scared and leaving. Many are me
who are like, do I have options? But here's a
quote from CNN, and this is I guess a person
who's trying to help one of the relocation firms. They
say the people who seek me out tend to be
the people who fill their targets, he said, noting that
(16:03):
his clients tend to be wealthy with the means to
move abroad again wealthy. In the days following Trump's January
executive order restricting gender affirming medical care for young people,
lest parents or the dude who is interviewed and works
as a relocation firm said he received seven inquiries from
parents with a trans child. For these families, he said,
American represents a political wildfire. Zone and they can smell
(16:27):
the smoke more than the average white heterosexual melt with
a mega hat on. So yeah, that's absolutely something that
those who can't afford it and are supporting their families
are trying to do rightly. So this is a very
scary time. We know things are rolling in with the
death of political activist Charlie Kirk, we know they're really
(16:49):
trying to push that narrative without any concrete air of evidence,
and that's what they did. We just had that episode
with Rigid and immediately a day later there was a
mass shooting trying to blame a trans person and with
Bridgid of like they y'all see this like that is
now as new rhetoric. One by one by one, it
is constantly a thing, and people are trying to leave
(17:10):
because they don't want to become victim to that or
an excuse to die because this is kind of feeling
like it's leading to martial law against specific groups of people.
But with that, if you can't afford it, and if
(17:32):
you have access, where are the best places to go?
So Global Citizensolutions dot Com says the following. They have
a lot of research and they do this as a constant.
The top ten countries go as Portugal, which I've seen
in a lot of lists, and apparently they want you
to come. They don't give you a house if you
have a babys well, I'm out the repopulating things or
(17:55):
the thing Spain, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, Canada, Mexico, Germany, and Australia.
I don't know if it's because we're so close into
Canada as in like there were neighboring we're North America together,
but I've seen a lot of maga esque people coming
out of the word wars in Canada, and they really
(18:16):
seem to hate immigrants. Not all of them, there's a
chunk of them. They're amazing, just like the US, but
there's a like balance, it's very unsteady.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I feel like, yeah, I mean that's been kind of
the disheartening thing is that, you know, when this election happened,
and it's not like it's new, but we started to
see a lot more of that coming out in other
places too. Way it's like oh really.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, they're getting real comfortable. They're like, oh, well the
USA we are great.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah yeah, which yeah, it sucks because I know again, yeah,
I know it's it sucks because I know a lot
of people, probably most people in Canada aren't like that.
A lot of people scared, not like that. But so
it's just really frustrating. But it was like, oh no, yeah, yeah,
(19:08):
they are too.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So safest for queer folk and this is from Rainbow
Rainbowmatt dot org. So they kind of give all this
and they have a whole like qualifier, so they have
a scoring sheet and you guys like these are the best,
these are the worst. So the top ten for safest
place for queer folks is Malta, which I have never
considered Malta but heard is really beautiful, so you know, okay, Malta, Belgium, Iceland, Denmark, Spain, Finland, Greece, Germany, Norway,
(19:40):
and Luxembourg. I'm also seen a lot of people talk
about Luxembourg. They apparently want some some xpass in there too.
But with that, I did see Ireland pretty higher up
on their list as well. But these were the top
top in like, okay, this is what we see as
where the laws are good for you, where they were
advocate for you, where you have opportunities, all these things,
and then the safest for racial equity. Now, I put
(20:03):
this with a caveat because I think they still there's
things like when people say, oh, certain areas have such
low racist issues and such la it's because black people
or people of color don't live there and so the
amount of incidents are less. So I feel like these
are some of the things with this country. And again
(20:24):
this is from a globalsolutions dot Com So I put
this with a grain of salt in that you is
it because it's safe or is it because you just
haven't seen many black people or many people of color?
And I say, aple people of color, Like, okay, you
know what I mean. So we have Denmarcus number one,
New Zealand, Netherlands, Finland, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Belgium, and Ireland.
(20:47):
I've seen many people talking about how Ireland has been
wonderful for people of color, but I've also seen recently
a lot of antimigration rhetoric from the far right there
as well. There's no good place. I know, the world
is awful, but these are somewhat better. So maybe just
keep traveling around if you have the money, and just
(21:09):
keep working at different areas and figure out how to
do this. No that's not a solution, okay, But anyway,
that's some of the thoughts that have happened. If you
are a person who all decide to immigrate, let us
know if you're thinking about it, let us know what
is the process, how are you going about it? If
you're staying because you know you have to fight here,
(21:30):
I feel like that's part of the conversation too. We
don't want people to leave because we want to keep
fighting for what is right here and fight for those
who can't leave themselves. You know, I understand that and
we get that, but also being safe is important.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff on Never Toally proprection by her radio.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And welcome to another Monday MANI And you know what,
the world is turning upside down and with many people
fearing what may happen in the future. I am many people.
By the way, it isn't surprising to see that for
my FYP it is completely inundated with recommendations on where
to go if you're trying to leave the US. Any
(00:42):
have you got hit with any of these? No, but
I'm not on social media and social media, but are you, like,
do you have any advertisements or even any inklings or conversations?
Has any articles popped up for you?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Interesting? Just me as fair. It's fair. Also, I'm getting
a lot of videos on getting medical care for a
lot cheaper around the world than the US, and people
going on what's called medical tourism, and people are going
to I've seen Turkey a lot, South Korea a lot,
but just like other countries, I've seen a few people
going to Mexico. I don't know if it's racism, and
(01:18):
so therefore it seems like people talking about things that
are happening in Mexico not not being as good as
other places. I feel like that maybe underlying of racism
in general and capitalism in the US. So I don't know,
but I've seen a lot more for like Turkey and
South Korea, and by the way, South Korea has a
lot of shady practices, like unqualified people pretending to be surgeons.
(01:39):
But anyway, all of that to say, like, there's a
lot of this coming into my feed. So because of
all this, this has been something that's in the back
of my head, like I thought I might go somewhere.
Where should I go? How does this process look? So
I decided to take a look at the current trends
and statistics in this hellhole healthscape of the government and
(02:00):
what is happening. And no surprise, numbers have increased for
those who are actually moving and increase numbers for those
who want to move. So a lot of this is
being said, I will say put here, Yeah, this is
all about people with money, so people who can afford it,
people who aren't tied down, people who don't have family
that they don't have to take care of. This is
(02:20):
very privileged talk, and I get that, but it still
doesn't change the fact that people are talking about it,
and for those who can't do it, they also wish
they could. Like there's this level of like, no, but
I need to leave. Help me raise my fund. So
I've seen people just trying to get up of their states.
So a lot of trans people out of Texas, Georgia,
anywhere in the South, like please help me get out
(02:41):
of here to at least go to California, to New
York where I have access if nothing else. So there's
a lot of that conversation. It's bad, but so here,
we thought we'd take a minute to look at statistics
as well as where people are recommending to go. So
this is from Seattle Times. Dot Com estimated one thy
(03:01):
two hundred and eighty five at US citizens expectorated in
the first quarter of twenty twenty five, making one hundred
and two percent increase compared with the last quarter of
twenty twenty four. Then this is according to a report
from CS Global Partners, which analyze the toxics from the
US Federal Register. Should this pattern continue, twenty twenty five
(03:21):
is poised to see a record high number of Americans
relocating overseas, surpassing the previous peak in twenty twenty, during
the height of the COVID nineteen pandemic. The numbers are high,
and we're going to talk a little more about those
numbers in a minute. But yeah, a lot of people
are leaving. That is a record one hundred and two
percent increase, like it is more than double. Have you
(03:44):
thought about possibly leaving the country.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I've thought about it, but not seriously. I have two
what would you go?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
We have to I haveings, like actual physical things, or
like obligation or bones.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Okay, I I New Zealand's that's New Zealand place.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, apparently it's one of the top ones. Like everybody's
list has New Zealand and there. New Zealand scares me.
There's so many creatures. We just talked about this with Ease.
Too many creatures out there in New Zealand. I know
is different from Australia, but they both have creatures unknown.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I will say Australia and my experience because I have
been to both, Australia has a lot more concerns in
that arena. But I don't know. You could be right.
Maybe it's an unknown.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Maybe maybe I just don't know well enough. New Zealand
has also been the dream spot to vacation. Yeah, also,
like you do want to see it, That's what I've heard.
I do have people who I do know, people who
live there and who are from there, so I feel like,
I mean, it's still a large country, so I can't
like like I know someone there, So you know, that
doesn't mean they know all of New Zealand, but they
definitely know New Zealand better than I do. But yeah,
(04:59):
that is spot and Yeah, people are actually using relocation
services to find the best places for them, so this
business is booming, these relocation services. Here's another quote from
The Guardian. They write, since Trump's return to power, relocation
firms from London to Lisbon and Madrid to Milan save.
They've seen US searge and inquiries from Americans and daunted
(05:21):
by the gains made by the far right across the continent.
Many Americans cite a desire to escape the US's increasingly
polarized climate and an administration whose wide range of targets
has included immigrants, diversity measures, and political opponents. And then
they continue, statistics show that the barrage of interest is
translating into action. In the first two months of the year,
(05:44):
US applications for Irish passports were at their highest level
in a decade, up sixty percent from the same period
last year. In the first three months of the year,
France reported a rise in the number of long stay
visa requests from Americans, while in March the number of
Americans who had solicited British citizenship in the twelve months
before search to its highest since record keeping began in
(06:07):
two thousand and four. So people are going now. I
will say my choices do not include France, nor England
or the UK in general, mainly because they're not doing
so great either, Like it seems like that, yes, they're
better off than the US in my opinion, but they're
still kind of arising into the conservatism as well. We
see the anti trans rhetoric happening in the UK and
(06:28):
it's really gross. There's been an uprise in anti immigration
stances within the UK as well. Now I know we
have some UK listeners, so you can let us know
how far it's gone, because obviously we're kind of blinded
by our own issues, but we do want to know
what's going around. I have the France, I mean, they well,
(06:50):
there's a lot happening France.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I was reading about this when I couldn't sleep the
other night. I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
My ministers are being let go left and right.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So wow, votes have no confidence, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But at least it feels like that means the citizens
are being heard versus what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But you know what the frustrating thing is every time,
and I know French people, I don't have to tell you,
but every time Marie the pin comes up and I'm like,
you're still around, You're still around.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Don't you feel shocked by that? You're like, wait, I
thought you were going to tell what Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
My gosh, and you have a statement and you're like,
well now it's my time.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh my, here I go. Right. But you know, yeah,
like I said, this could be just from what we
see based on the US. Again, yeah, I know all
of our self are censored, and I know we're not
getting all of the news. It's feeling very dark here.
But again, like as a Korean, I'm like, I don't
(07:58):
think I wanna go there, and I don't want to
go to the South Korea either, y'all because I see
the same things. I'm like, there's a lot at least
the citizens have a lot more rights. But when it
comes to like the pressures and the anti stuff with
like the queer community, anti stuff with like women in general,
I don't want to be there. Like I'm trying to
find a better point, and unfortunately South Korea does not
(08:19):
look like it's getting better at this point. I'm not
trying to diss all the countries. I'm so sorry. I've
just tried to be like, is it good or is
it our censorship like on that, But I've seen a
lot of good things about China recently, and at the
same time, I'm like, but we know there's still some
underlying issues within the covernment, so let's not get too
(08:40):
caught up in that. So with all of that, Newsweek
actually wrote this as well about the increases they wrote
and this is all, by the way, twenty twenty five articles. Obviously,
(09:01):
I feel like you can tell contact clues, but just
in case y'all need to know, the things that we're
reading currently is twenty twenty five unless otherwise stated. Is as.
A recent survey conducted by Harris Pohl found that four
and ten US adults forty two percent have considered or
plan to relocate outside the country to improve their quality
of life or financial position. Among younger generations, these numbers
were even higher, at sixty three percent of Gen z
(09:24):
ers and fifty two percent of millennials. I guess I'm
in that fifty two percent because I've definitely been considering
it and looking at my options. It's interesting to there
was in this article one relocation firm from the in
the Netherlands that have called this the Trump eugs like refugees,
(09:46):
but they're running away from Trump. I don't want to
put cute names on things. This is not cute because
it's ugly. Anything with that name makes me think it's ugly.
But it does indicate they know why the people are leaving. Yeah,
so all of that is is that's how they've kind
of stamped these people. And that was the title of
the article. Ohkay, oh yeah, what is this? What is this?
(10:10):
But and there again are many reasons people have been moving.
This is for my twenty twenty four Yeah, here we go.
See article from Harvey Law Corporation dot com. And yes,
they're doing this in the process of being like, hey,
we'll help you leave the country. So it was an
advertisement with their information, but just to put it up there.
They wrote several things on the list, one of them
(10:30):
being no affordable healthcare and higher costs of living in
the US. They wrote this, the amount spent on healthcare
in the US rose by seven point five percent in
twenty twenty three. This brings the total of to four
point nine trillion dollars or fourteen thousand, five hundred and
seventy dollars per person. This increase is similar to what
(10:52):
it was before the pandemic. The soaring cost of living
and healthcare in the United States is often cited as
a primary reason for immigration. For many, the financial burden
has become unsustainable, prompting them to seek more affordable alternatives abroad. Again,
we talked about the medical tourism and how that has
become a new thing, and it makes sense. It makes sense,
(11:16):
especially with social media showing maybe a glamorized version, but
showing access and what it looks like, and the amount
of costs for places like Turkey and such, who know
that the US are going to spend more than the
locals because whatever the more is is still much less
than what is in the US, and it's not contingent
(11:38):
to work, which is all different conversation, like we've normalized that.
It took years for me to realize, Oh, that shouldn't
be normal. But anyway, all of that to say that
this makes sense, like this reason for living alone, Like
even if it's higher taxes, it's still cheaper.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah. Yeah, my dad was really sick. He wanted he
was talking about doing this, and I don't know if
it would have been better or not, but he looked
into it because he didn't know what else to do.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Really, it really doesn't make sense because, as we know,
we are already seeing conversations warning everyone that all of
our premiums, all of our stuff is about to go up,
possibly by twenty percent, if not twenty five percent, for
everyone across the board. And this is those who are employed.
That nobody's getting a raise. Technically the last few years
(12:37):
we got a decrease, a significant decrease in our salary,
but our interest is going up. And with the insurance,
I'm still having to pay two thousand dollars for the
appointments that I've had. Yeah, this is why I don't
go with doctors.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know, we've talked about this, we have to think
about this. We're like, oh, is it well maybe I'll
just roll the dice and hope it turns out Okay, right, I.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think I'll self medicate sleeping. I'm just kidding. So another
reason that they have cited was a work life balance,
and we've talked about that many times. There was one
video that just popped up before this that talked about
what she hated about her work, and she was like,
I only work twenty hours a week, but because I
working I believe Denmark was where she's from. They're making
(13:19):
me take my six week vacation leave because that's the
amount that they have to go as a part time worker,
no matter what, because if not, they would have to
pay her out. But I'm like, you know, that's kind
of gross. They should she wants to be paid out,
she should, But at the same time, are you kidding me?
They purposely tricked us with the unlimited PTO here in
the US, saying that you have unlimited PTO when in
(13:39):
an actual wality they're like, no, but you shouldn't take it,
and they tricked us and they ended that was better,
but it's not. But like in the US, they they
don't care. Most of the times, you're two weeks. By
the way, it's only two weeks guarantee vacation in a year,
just goes away the next year. Yeah, oh yeah, and
(14:02):
you don't get compensated with anything. You just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah yeah, so used as if you got it. That's
what everyone always tells you, and I never do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
But right, right. Another thing, obviously, the big thing that
I feel like we've been talking about with the trumpugees
or you know, Trump refugees, is the political and social unrest.
There's a lot we can say about this. Obviously for
the queer community lgbt QIA folks, that's an obvious big
(14:32):
conversation about where should we go all of our rights
being taken away from us tramps people are literally being
told they cannot have weapons or which is like Second Amendment,
right unless you're trans for the point zero zero one
percent who have actually committed crimes. Yeah, and for the
(14:54):
what thousands and thousands who have died needless sleep by
violence because they're trans. But you know what, whatever, we're that.
Another part of that would be the refugees and immigration
status as well, when we talk about even those who
are quote unquote legally here and I don't like that
(15:16):
term obviously but who have documents showing that they are
here on visas, green cards, citizenships. All of that, they're
still being deported. And now with the new ability to
just profile anyone who is of color and detained based
on whether or not they believe you or not. And
then that you don't get deported to your home country,
you get deported to a work camp or just disappeared.
(15:42):
So that's a good reason to also leave. Many have
voluntarily left, Many are scared and leaving. Many are me
who are like, do I have options? But here's a
quote from CNN, and this is I guess a person
who's trying to help one of the relocation firms. They
say the people who seek me out tend to be
the people who fill their targets, he said, noting that
(16:03):
his clients tend to be wealthy with the means to
move abroad again wealthy. In the days following Trump's January
executive order restricting gender affirming medical care for young people,
lest parents or the dude who is interviewed and works
as a relocation firm said he received seven inquiries from
parents with a trans child. For these families, he said,
American represents a political wildfire. Zone and they can smell
(16:27):
the smoke more than the average white heterosexual melt with
a mega hat on. So yeah, that's absolutely something that
those who can't afford it and are supporting their families
are trying to do rightly. So this is a very
scary time. We know things are rolling in with the
death of political activist Charlie Kirk, we know they're really
(16:49):
trying to push that narrative without any concrete air of evidence,
and that's what they did. We just had that episode
with Rigid and immediately a day later there was a
mass shooting trying to blame a trans person and with
Bridgid of like they y'all see this like that is
now as new rhetoric. One by one by one, it
is constantly a thing, and people are trying to leave
(17:10):
because they don't want to become victim to that or
an excuse to die because this is kind of feeling
like it's leading to martial law against specific groups of people.
But with that, if you can't afford it, and if
(17:32):
you have access, where are the best places to go?
So Global Citizensolutions dot Com says the following. They have
a lot of research and they do this as a constant.
The top ten countries go as Portugal, which I've seen
in a lot of lists, and apparently they want you
to come. They don't give you a house if you
have a babys well, I'm out the repopulating things or
(17:55):
the thing Spain, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, Canada, Mexico, Germany, and Australia.
I don't know if it's because we're so close into
Canada as in like there were neighboring we're North America together,
but I've seen a lot of maga esque people coming
out of the word wars in Canada, and they really
(18:16):
seem to hate immigrants. Not all of them, there's a
chunk of them. They're amazing, just like the US, but
there's a like balance, it's very unsteady.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I feel like, yeah, I mean that's been kind of
the disheartening thing is that, you know, when this election happened,
and it's not like it's new, but we started to
see a lot more of that coming out in other
places too. Way it's like oh really.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, they're getting real comfortable. They're like, oh, well the
USA we are great.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah yeah, which yeah, it sucks because I know again, yeah,
I know it's it sucks because I know a lot
of people, probably most people in Canada aren't like that.
A lot of people scared, not like that. But so
it's just really frustrating. But it was like, oh no, yeah, yeah,
(19:08):
they are too.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So safest for queer folk and this is from Rainbow
Rainbowmatt dot org. So they kind of give all this
and they have a whole like qualifier, so they have
a scoring sheet and you guys like these are the best,
these are the worst. So the top ten for safest
place for queer folks is Malta, which I have never
considered Malta but heard is really beautiful, so you know, okay, Malta, Belgium, Iceland, Denmark, Spain, Finland, Greece, Germany, Norway,
(19:40):
and Luxembourg. I'm also seen a lot of people talk
about Luxembourg. They apparently want some some xpass in there too.
But with that, I did see Ireland pretty higher up
on their list as well. But these were the top
top in like, okay, this is what we see as
where the laws are good for you, where they were
advocate for you, where you have opportunities, all these things,
and then the safest for racial equity. Now, I put
(20:03):
this with a caveat because I think they still there's
things like when people say, oh, certain areas have such
low racist issues and such la it's because black people
or people of color don't live there and so the
amount of incidents are less. So I feel like these
are some of the things with this country. And again
(20:24):
this is from a globalsolutions dot Com So I put
this with a grain of salt in that you is
it because it's safe or is it because you just
haven't seen many black people or many people of color?
And I say, aple people of color, Like, okay, you
know what I mean. So we have Denmarcus number one,
New Zealand, Netherlands, Finland, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Belgium, and Ireland.
(20:47):
I've seen many people talking about how Ireland has been
wonderful for people of color, but I've also seen recently
a lot of antimigration rhetoric from the far right there
as well. There's no good place. I know, the world
is awful, but these are somewhat better. So maybe just
keep traveling around if you have the money, and just
(21:09):
keep working at different areas and figure out how to
do this. No that's not a solution, okay, But anyway,
that's some of the thoughts that have happened. If you
are a person who all decide to immigrate, let us
know if you're thinking about it, let us know what
is the process, how are you going about it? If
you're staying because you know you have to fight here,
(21:30):
I feel like that's part of the conversation too. We
don't want people to leave because we want to keep
fighting for what is right here and fight for those
who can't leave themselves. You know, I understand that and
we get that, but also being safe is important.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
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