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March 23, 2020 • 25 mins

In the not-so-mini first episode of our new Monday Mini series, Anney and Samantha talk about Covid-19 and how it might be particularly impacting women. Plus a short bonus interview about Anney's past experiences with quarantining.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff.
I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. I
like how every time I introduce myself, I usually do

(00:21):
an armed player. Did I get excited? I feed off
of your energy. Thank you? Please know my name? I
know my name. I always do this thing where I
sit and I gesture a lot. Yes. I love watching
you ju because I know, like by the weight high,
as higher you get, the more into it you're getting
into in it. And I'll love that right right, And

(00:43):
this is a proven method. It brings energy into your words.
To be fair, I do like flailing all the time.
That's kind of my thing. I guess that's how I
describe you to people. She's flailing all the time, all
the time. So it's good that we have this energy
because we're actually launching a new episode type. We're gonna
be doing Monday episodes, and you know, Monday not exactly

(01:08):
the most energetic day. So hopefully this will help give
some people some more energy to start their week hashtag
motivational Monday exactly. And that's a good point because so
these are gonna be shorter news e updates, things that
are going on the world in our life, and they're
going to be very um every week whatever is happening,
So feel free to to write in what you think

(01:28):
we should be talking about, and they're gonna be more
conversational and a lighter research load. Um right. And I
know I don't know if people knew this, because we
were on a panel recently when we were talking about
the process of what we do and how we come
into what if we talk about the subjects and it
takes typically you can go from fifteen to thirty hours

(01:49):
of research per episode. And if you're like Annie who
reads books, who is all up in there, she does
like four books at a time per episode, So you
just go from there. And so we're I need to
do a little something different where it's not so staunched
for that. Of course, we're still going to have that,
So please don't think that we're going anywhere away from
research and one of the things that we are going

(02:10):
to talk about, because honestly, our office right now is
completely emptied out, getting ready ready to be disinfected by
the way, y'all um, because of the coronavirus COVID nineteen
and specific issues two women around it now just the
heads up. This is again we are not medical podcast,
so there's nothing we're gonna say that's like follow our
advice other than when we say, hey, the CDC said this,

(02:32):
or who said this or doctor said this. But also
we know everybody's being really overwhelmed with this right now,
you know, just bear with us. Yes, and before we
get into the content here to again reiterate what you said,
Samantha and set expectations. These are just going to be
because we wanted to try something for a while where
we can just sort of talk about are for one,

(02:54):
I really want to come back and talk about relationships
with eating and stuff. And that's just the new thing
we're adding. But nothing else is changing. Yes, don't worry
extra ten minutes and it's gonna be small sound buys
and we might even tell you what's coming up exactly exactly.
But yeah, today we're talking about what everyone else is
talking about, which is COVID nineteen. And yeah, things are

(03:15):
pretty unsettling and scary where we are and where a
lot of places are. I feel like from Thursday last
Thursday the twelfth to Friday, it went from oh yeah,
I'm going to go out tomorrow to everyone don't ever
go out, ever, and everything is shutting down here for
the first time in history, all the Disney parks around

(03:36):
the world are closed. That's never happened before. But the
last time that was open, man, it was it was packed.
It was packed. Broadway is shut down. The late night
shows are going without audiences and that that freaked me
out because I watched them, right, it was really eerie.
The who labeled COVID nineteen as a pandemic in March. Yeah, um.

(03:58):
And of course one of the scary thing is how
little we know about it and how fast it's spreading
and why it spreading. Kind of know how it spreading,
but don't even know the full extent. Not that. And
the symptoms range from fatal to undetectable, which is even scarier. Right,
But it's okay. We're in this together. We are, and
I feel like people are banding together and taking care

(04:21):
of each other, which is what we need right now. Um.
And this is the first pandemic to be caused by
a novel coronavirus um this century. Thousands of new people
are infected each day. Again, things are changing really really rapidly.
Six counties in San Francisco shut down my friends and
Athens told me there's a curfew at nine pm there. Now, Um,
Spain is pretty much locked down, it at least pretty

(04:42):
much locked down kind of in the funnier funnier right now.
Oh yeah, France is closed to but UM. I was
discussing with my friends about tender and apparently the profiles
have gotten really hilarious of like, I'm stocked up and
it's just twenty boxes of wine, hands Santiser, what's their
number you can send? I've been thinking about how we're

(05:06):
going to look back on this time in the movies,
and like me, because I've already started just randomly shouting
social distancing, right like what how is this going to
be remembered? Um? And then panic buying is something I
was at the grocery store. I think that the day
before it went we got really serious at least here
and there was there was nothing right and definitely I

(05:30):
shouldn't have been surprised, but I guess I should have
been like whatever with the toilet paper, I was kind
of like, what what's that? Why? What's happening? What is happening?
Why aren't we why aren't we all? What? Am I gut? Do?
I need to get my books ready for emergency toilet paper.
Like that's the level of panic. I understand the disinfecting,
I understand the sanitizers, but I was like, wait, what

(05:50):
is happening. I guess that makes sense. I mean you
and I trapped for fourteen days, trapped, but you want
to be clean? Yeah? Oh sure, for sure. I'm very
lucky because, as over on Savor, the other show I do,
one of our sponsors sent me a creative toilet paper
right before this happened. Not how you get toilet paper,
that's not food, that's not food related, I know, but

(06:12):
I'm very fortunate for the whole thing. A m. It
was very very random, but I appreciated it. Nonetheless, apparently
rice is a big commodity, as Walt costa. That all
makes sense. I try to get bread and I don't.
It's not something I buy off, and but I thought,
sure because I have all this peanut, butter and sand,
which I no bread to, no buzz, no peta, like nothing.

(06:34):
I must have gone to Kroger just in time because
they didn't have santizer, they didn't have toilet paper, but
they surely did have bread, but they didn't have rice. Wow.
I mean that makes sense as well. I get it, uh,
And we did want to because our show does focus
a lot on women. We were thinking about how this
is specifically impacting women, and there are a lot of

(06:55):
ways that it is right. And we can talk about
the fact that when it comes to women in healthcare,
there's a lot of issues that are tangled in it,
whether it's trusting your body, people dismissing women's pain, or
or here in the US, the lack of insurance for sure,
or pay time off. I'm I'm just as much as
I'm looking on Twitter in all of the different social

(07:17):
media because now that's what I do. I was doing
that pretty badly to begin with. Now it's just an obsession.
Apparently I've got to turn it off. But I've been
seeing a lot of people talk about not only obviously
the insurance being a big, huge problem. Everyone has been
affected by someone they love who has their place shut
down and there or you know, gig economy or hourly

(07:38):
economy type of things, and they don't have those ready
for them, really given to them, and that's not promised
to them, and it's really kind of skiing. And then
talk about pay time off, who gets that, and then
also who's staying home with the kids when they're being
sent home, which, by the way, we know most of
the schools are closed down and shut down and they're
all doing the uh learning through the inter webs. Yes,

(08:00):
I'm smart, I know that, um. And it's good to
know that we have companies who are giving providing internet
access and all that. But do they have computers, do
they have laptops? Do they have you know, ability to
get to these things. But all that to say, I
know that's been a big part of that, as well
as many moms coming through with I am tele wrooking,
but I'm also supposed to help and I'm a teacher,

(08:24):
which I love that many of the new posts about yeah,
I've been home schooling for two days now and teachers
to get a million dollars and months. Yes, agreed, And yeah,
I mean, for we don't want to put anyone else
at risk by going to restaurants or or whatever, but
people who work at those places depend on tips and

(08:46):
and so it's just a really complicated situation and we
don't have the structure in place, particularly at least when
we're talking because we're from the United States, we know
what we're talking about here, it's just not in place right.
I also love the fact, and I mean love sarcastically
that we are being compared to almost in that third
world country level of healthcare, of providing for health and

(09:07):
and for sicknesses. Anyway, there was a tweet from a
different country that was a school saying, don't go to
a country with third world healthcare, and they said, like
the U s actually put it in there. They removed
it from they removed it from the like the big post,
but then they kept it in their own like school posts.
And I was like, oh my god. And the satifact

(09:28):
of the matter is it's true we are allowing people
to get sick and die, not providing them healthcare and
making them three thousand dollar bills, which we also know
that the representative from California, she has actually sat and
questioned what are the white board? Which I love. She
did a math on the white board as she was
talking to the head of the CDC about hey, don't

(09:50):
you have the clause that says you will cover the
fees for testing? And she nailed him into a corner
to the point and he's like, yes, your question is
so good you're you're right, we can as you just
went down this board, So kudos, thank you called this
woman Katie Porter. Yes, and another way that this might
be impacting women more as preliminary data suggests that shift

(10:13):
workers are being hardest hit. Are some of the hardest hit,
And yeah, these are often more likely to be women
than men. And so again if if experts say stay
home if you get sick, but you definitely should if
you can. For some that is an economic hardship, not possibility. Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile,
the Trump organization is moving head with the plan to

(10:33):
cut food to stance for seven thousand people effective April one.
There used to find a vaccine and the risk of
leaving out pregnant women. That's something else we wanted to
touch on briefly. Leaving out pregnant women of trials impacts
health equity. Experts do not know if pregnant women are
more susceptible or if their symptoms are more severe. They
also don't know if an infected pregnant women can pass

(10:54):
COVID nineteen to their fetus. Data from other similar viruses
suggest that pregnant women do face higher mortality rates and
more negative outcomes. This unfortunately, would not be the first
time pregnant women have been left behind when it comes
to the response to a global pandemic or outbreak. And
twenty nineteen Prevent and that's in all capitals. That working
group release twenty two recommendations to push for health equity

(11:17):
for pregnant women, and one of the big ones is
data collection. But as we say that, we're not trying
to cause panic or anything, but it's just something we
should all keep in mind. And having these twenty two
recommendations that we can look at and say, Okay, here's
how we can tackle this, that's great. And also again
this is not about creating panic, but it's also for
those who may not be in this risk factor, whether

(11:38):
you're not pregnant, you're not old, or you don't have
a condition. Yeah, use your responsibility to contain it as well.
It's not about you. Was about them, yes, exactly. Something else. Racism,
There's been a lot of it, and it's bad. Don't
do it. That's good advice for all the time calling
it a foreign virus, labeling it as uncivilized virus. And

(12:00):
with the fact that the President, after doing a fairly
tamed conference yesterday tweeted referencing COVID as a Chinese virus,
which only encouraged many of his supporters to rally behind
him and lay blame on a country who, by the way,
has become such an expert, are being sent out to
different countries to assist uh huh. And with that, many
of the supporters demanding and stating that the people who

(12:22):
are responsible quote unquote should be held liable, which is
a very dangerous way of speaking when holding an ethnicity responsible.
And also the conversation is, we've had many of journalists
talk about the things that are being off, like said
to them behind the scene, and one woman talked about
the fact that she was hold this is the Kung flu,
which is super racist, by the way, and we've seen

(12:44):
an uptake in violence against the Asian community. And I'm
sorry that's such a generic broad but that's exactly what
it is. If you seem of specific ethnicity, that means
you are part of that problem, which again causes for
really really, really really naked of impact on everything around you. Also,
just to put this out there for those who are

(13:04):
saying these are just jokes or this is just where
it originated. I as an Asian person. When I hear
you say something like that, I automatically feel like I
am being blamed for something I don't understand. I'm just
as scared as you are. I'm not gonna lie. I've
never been to Luhan, Yes, but however, when I know
that you are isolating and I need to be careful

(13:25):
of the surrounds around me. If there's a conversation like that,
I'm very very aware and very scared of my yeah,
and I'm wondering if I'm going to be attacked, if
someone's gonna yell at me. So if you're saying this
is just the joke, please understand what I hear from
your joke is that you somehow are blaming me for something.

(13:46):
You know, we're putting responsibility on a group that has
again no control. For those who saying this is just
a joke, I need you to understand. You don't understand
just because you may not think it's racist doesn't mean
you're not being racist. Yes, yes, okay, just to put
that out there. Yes, very good thing to put out there.

(14:06):
And I lived in Mohan is an amazing place, so
that a long time ago. Yes, I was there in
two thousand and ten for about a year, and we
thought we'd end this with an interview portion, which we're
going to try to implement in all of these Monday
episodes because I've actually been in quarantine, not once, but twice. Right,

(14:26):
So Ady and I have talked a lot about her
many worldly experiences, and one of the things we've talked
about is the fact that she's actually been stuck and
quarantined before. Why, So we just wanted to touch on
what that experience was like and why you had this experience.
So Annie, yes, when and why did this happen? Why?

(14:47):
Thank you, my interviewer. So, I actually have been quarantined
two and a half times. UM. One was during and
flew and I was held in the London airport because
I had a fever for a couple of hours. So
that was it was really frightening, UM but overall it

(15:08):
turned out okay. So that was kind of a little taste.
But I ended up getting swine flu when I was
at Georgia Tech and I had to They basically said
go to your apartment and you're going to stay there
for at least eight days, and they gave me glove,
like a whole thing of gloves and face masks. And

(15:28):
at the time there were so many cases at Tech
that the you couldn't couldn't quarantine you. Um, they had
quarantine ward, but they were full. So I had to
go back to my apartment and the poor five people
that were living with me and be like, uh, yeah,
but I was very I wore the gloves pretty much
the whole time I were the the mask, and I
would always wripe everything down. And to be honest, um,

(15:50):
I was so sick. It wasn't like I was feeling
feelings of I've got to get outside or something. I
was on the floor hallucinating that I was getting attacked
by a shark. Remember the story, attacked by a lot
of like creatures. The shark. I have had them off, yeah. Um.

(16:11):
And I was really lucky because I had a support
group of people who made sure I ate even though
I didn't really want to. They always bought him food
and um checked in on me. And it was very frightening. Um.
And I did worry a lot about I didn't want
to go back to my apartment. I didn't want to
get anyone else sick, and luckily no one no one did.
And I do want to say swine flew and this

(16:34):
very different, very very different, and how they are spreading
and how severe they are. But this is the closest
I have. And then I was quarantined another time where
I got some super flu that they didn't know what
it was, and they sent me back to my apartment.
And that time I was I was still really sick,
but I was more aware and I had to stay

(16:54):
for I think a week, and that that time was
almost worse, because yeah, I was like I can't leave
even write. You know, those hours keep adding up and
you don't feel well, but you're like, I can't sleep.
And my apartment was so small there's not much to
do in there. So what did you do? I played?

(17:15):
I played a lot of the Last of Us and
was really bad at it because I was tired and
kind of feverish and I'm normally really good at that game.
And I watched Orange Is the New Black I mentioned
that had just come out. Um, I was too sick
to reach. But I'm not gonna lie. There were periods

(17:36):
where you're it's just it wears on you, right, it does.
So I'm guessing you had a lot of people calling
in checking in on you and make sure you're okay.
Did your mom deal with all of that? She I
don't even know that I told her about the super flu,
but I did tell her about the swine flu, and
she was very um. She was frightened for me, and

(18:00):
she wanted to come to you know. Of course, She's like,
I can come down and get you. And I said no,
no, no no, no, no, no no, don't do that. And
my friend like took the phone for me, because this
is when I started thinking it shark was attacking me.
She was like, we will take care of her. We're
already here and we'll keep you updated, and they did.
So just keep it, keep that in mind of the
people in your life you need to check in on,

(18:21):
and that that can simply be texts or phone calls
just because because people are struggling. So what would you
recommend for people who are I think we're only on
day like technically days four three. If day three of
stay inside self quarantine, what would your advice be? I
would say, one, don't feel guilty that you're not being

(18:47):
quote as productive as you think you should be, because
it's super prevalent, right and you hear it all the time.
And I know I feel it. I feel such pressure
on like, oh we well, I can finally do X,
Y Z, and I can. But if I'm too stressed
sor I'm just like feeling I can't concentrate, or you know,
maybe I'm just getting a fan fiction hole, that's okay too.

(19:08):
Like there are certainly things I would add to a
list and say, you know what, if I feel like
I'm gonna sit down, I'm going to try to do
this for a couple of hours and see what happens.
But if you can't for whatever reason, that's okay. Um,
And I actually would recommend doing some quote mindless things
that you want to do but feel too guilty to

(19:29):
do that normally as well. This is this is your
time and limit you're exposure to terrifying news. Things are
not even that, but you know there's just so much happening. Yeah,
just just take some time where you don't and then
check in on your friends. I've definitely gotten more text
and social media and interaction like yesterday, right I ever, well,

(19:54):
we did also of why I watch one of our
movies for feminis movie Fried, and we did do a
whole blurb of text thing back and forth. The entire
time because we weren't together right before practicing self quarantine
social isolation. Yes, yes, so uh. But also, you know
what I also figured out, because I was really hoping
this was all Netflix, that that Netflix has the party

(20:16):
at Netflix Party Watching party. So that's something that people
should look into if you miss your friends and want
to do a little bit together. Yeah, Netflix watch Party. Yeah, genius.
There are definitely things you can do to hang out virtually. Right. Um,
and my therapist, I had therapy yesterday and that was
one of the things she said. It is like, I
know this is important for you. Here are some things

(20:39):
you can do. You know me so well, so well,
I love this so much. Yeah, so there you go.
We've just did a small interview with our favorite any reason.
I know people have actually have people have reached out,
like she started crazy and I was like, well, she's
soon to get her hopefully crafting things to be able

(21:00):
to work on our costume. I love that I know
you all enough. That's one of the things that I
know that can help you. Hopefully. Some fan fiction is
helping you so much. Fan fiction a lot of Girl
Scout cookies, right, And I'm like, do I need to
send you deliveries of shushido peppers. I already ate all
of them, give you so many, I know, but this
is how I keep are alive, y'all. Yes, and I

(21:20):
really appreciate it. Having that support group is so good
for people who don't. I try to find ways of
checking on those people too. And I know, like we've
been told you can donate to you food banks, food banks.
I'm here to help you with food banks, yes, And
you know what, sometimes it's just nice checking on. I
recommend if you see people that you know who are

(21:42):
in the industry who are about to go through really
hard times, send them a little something. I guess them
for their venmo and cash ap, just a little bit
like if I was there, this is how much I
tip you, so I would want to give you. Yeah.
And if you're doing delivery, you know you can do
the new contact. That's wonderful. If you can do it
directly from the restaurant. Do that because I don't know
with like Postmates and all of that, I don't know

(22:02):
the actual fees. I know you can tip the driver
and I've been told before it's according to because when
they leave restaurants they can't they're not. They don't have
an app like an option to tip the servers and
they pay for it, I guess. So if you can
get it from directly from the restaurant, great, I know that. Yeah,

(22:23):
all the other restaurants I do know giving money and
it's going to help anyway. So if you do it
through the delivery services, great. I know the delivery services
are trying to wave some fees for the restaurants too,
So that's cool. These are all good things. Um yeah yeah,
so um. Stay safe and again, remember it's not just
about you. I used to think that way when I
was younger about the flu shot, but then I had

(22:44):
my moment of oh, it's other people I'm also protecting.
So remember that. Stay in if possible. The official recommendation
is no more than ten people and a group at
a time, sometimes five people depending on where you are.
Six feet social distancing, don't panic, don't panic. Don't forget
about the people in your life, especially people who might

(23:05):
be vulnerable in some way. Don't forget about local businesses.
Don't be racist. Ageism also bad. Don't do that. There's
a lot of that going around. And just remember one,
there are people too, and people that matter to other people.
But one day you will be old as well, right, um,

(23:26):
and then able is um. There's been a lot of
that happening because I mean, we we can't forget that
for some people staying in all the time with chronic
illness or whatever it might be, they exist, right, And
so it's okay to be upset about canceled things, it
really is. It's okay to feel like you don't want

(23:48):
to stay inside, you want to go out. Totally cool,
but keep it in perspective and just remember like not
going out to a bar that's gonna be fine. You're
you're saying you're potentially saving some else or even yourself.
So and just to throw it out there, this includes
people with invisible disabilities, and I know we've talked about
that on the show before. Don't assume that you know

(24:10):
they do or don't have a disability. Don't assume that
you know whether or not they are healthy. So let's
just go ahead and check all that bs to the side,
because nobody has that for that nobody, nobody, Yes, and
just remember to go easy on yourself. It's totally understandable
that if you're feeling stressed and overwhelmed and like you

(24:32):
can't be as productive as possible, and yeah, we're here
for you, and yeah for those who are already been
in this position, because Atlanta is kind of coming new
into this. As you can tell, we're following suit behind
and thinks Florida, Ohio, Maryland, California, New York, Washington, like
all the places. Let us know what you're doing, let
us know how we can help, and let us know.

(24:53):
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been thrown out there. You'll see more and more questions
and surveys that will be sending out about social media,
so I would make sure you check those out and
please answer because we are really watching and we are
really responding. Yeah, and we want to make content that
you want to hear, So we're thinking about you. Stay safe,
stay healthy. If you want to email as you can,

(25:15):
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