August 30, 2025 • 37 mins
In the continuing story of SMNTY watching Anne of Green Gables, we discuss the themes of the second in the CBC series, including home, change, love and kindred spirits in this classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
I never told you Protection of iHeart Radio. And today, yes,
we are bringing back our classic Aunt, Anne of Avonlea,
in part because inspired by our recent happy Hour we
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did on PBS in which many fond memories were bought up, Yes,
including this, and this was a fun one and we
had a good time with these, so please enjoy this
classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome
to Stephane never told you Protection of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes, we mentioned earlier in our last fmf or feminist
movie Friday, we were going to do a part two,
and yes we had to come back around to the
sequel of the Beloved and of green Gables, otherwise known
as Anne of Avonlea, the continuing story of Anne of
green Gables. Apparently there's a lot of like remixing of
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the titles, because that's kind of how I knew it.
But then it became Ann of green Gables, a sequel,
just Ann of Avonlea, So there's a few names floating about.
And not to be confused with all the other remakes.
This is a Sullivan Entertainment production or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,
the CBC edition. And yes, Annie and I had to
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download Gazebo TV in order to be able to watch
the sequel, which is a delight in itself.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yes, yes, it's yes, it was quite funny the links
we went to. I think, as you said, Gazebo TV
is sort of like Hallmark but for like pioneer Times
are like.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Older older times kind of thing. Yeah, but we put
in the effort and here we are in.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
My Discovery as I've signed up for now since we're
subscribed to it, they sent me an advertising for the
Anna Green Cables cookbook, and I'm a little intrigued on
what is in there because it seems legitimately like old school,
like the ovens that are just fire ovens, fire stoves
that you are the open flames essentially, And I'm like
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should I No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Because I don't use any of the cookbooks.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm not very good at cookbooks in general. But like, wow,
I was like, oh, they legitimately go all the way
into this era.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, apparently yes, and again.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Hilariously kind of eerily because I'm like, oh, yeah, my
phone listens to me and I forget this sometimes, but
it wasn't. It was because of a mutual of mine
like this. But there was a tweet this week and
I have to share it because it falls along the
lines of us talking about and Green Gables and of Avonlea,
and the tweet says, quote, now that hot girl summer
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is coming to an end and of Avonlea autumn can begin.
We're reading an ungodly amount of fantasy. We're climbing trees,
swimming in lakes and baking pies. We're getting into wholesome
trouble and telling me and boys to get wrecked. And
this was from at riw Reese, not the same way
you spill it, but close, and I love that. I
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was like, how in the world, I swear what is
happening that the universe comes together that the week that
you and I are watching these movies, that they must
tweet this. And then it got like over seventeen thousand legs,
as it should, as it deserves, because it is an
amazing tweet. I lets say it's Evergreen for me, but
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she puts in later She's like, oh my god, all
the kindred spirits here, and then does the crying emoji phase,
and I was like, yes, it's true, and I know
everything about this because I love the Cardigan's, the fall picnics. Yes,
I'm excited to dive right into this era. I feel
like it's calling to me. Yeah, sosssation girl.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Well you know what follows my favorite season, And I'm
already ready to like put on my warm clothes and
my my scarves and frolic in the leaves as they
change colors and the autumn types food because I love
like autumnal food.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
So yes, I am right there with you.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh so excited. We made Chiley the other day because
I got a little over excited and it was like
eighty five degrees with my gues. It's worth it, It's
worth it. Yes, But moving on.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yes, we mentioned before the sequel goes away from the
original written second book in Lucy Montgomery's and beloved.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Series, and yes it takes some liberties to the interpretations.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
We have to admit all of this as in fact,
the video series is an amalgamation of three of the books,
including Anne of Avonlea and of the Island and Anne
of a Windy Poplars and from I've researched as I
haven't read any of the books.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm sorry, y'all.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Sullivan mixed and matched a bit of the characters that
were written because he wrote this, and in some key
differences are the romantic plots, location, characters and the such. So, yes,
we know this is a big caveat and its own thing,
almost outside of the characters that are written in there
and the main.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Characters that is. But people still love it, and though
the differences, again are big, the TV series still has
a high overall rating.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
When I looked at it at the IMDb level, it's
four point eight out of five stars. Wow for a
CBC series, Hello, And it's dearly beloved, especially by me,
and also has been awarded with many mini accolades and awards,
including the Golden Hugo Award, many Gemini Awards, the Cable
eight Awards, and many more. So it is still a
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jewel of a classic. That's how I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Mm hmm. I love it. I love it, and you.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Can tell I'm very passionate about the spending this. I still, yes,
I still do need to go back and read all
of those even though they're technically I guess children's books.
But it's still loved, and it still carries through and
has carried on obviously as it keeps getting remade. Okay,
but let's go ahead, We're gonna go jump into the
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movie's plot. We have our characters back, including Megan follows
as Anne, Shirley Marilla played by Colleen Doohurst, Gilbert played
by Jonathan Crombie, Diane played by Schuler Grant, Miss Stacy
played by Marilyn Lightstone, and Rachel Lynn played by Patricia Hamilton.
But we have some new characters, including the Harris family,
which includes Morgan Harris and then his daughter Emmaline Harris,
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his mother, Missus Harris, and his sister Pauline Harris.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And then we get introduced.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To many of the Pringles of Kingsport or New Brunswick,
and that Prickly had mistress or principal of Kingsport Ladies College,
Catherine Brook, so they come into play. Of course, there's
many more characters that we've already known or are new,
but it's a pretty big list and we're not going
to do all that. So in a sequel, we come
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back to Anne in her Lovely Green Gables Avonlea Adventures
where she's been teaching at the school of Avonlea with
summer coming in school ending and gets ready for all
the adventures to come. And then, by the way, we
also get to meet some of the precocious children and
has been teaching. And by the way, I think one
of the big characters in the book is Anthony Pye,
and we only see him in a split second at
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the beginning.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He's one of the ones that get.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
In trouble for smoking in the outhouse Oda, but he's
up one of that we see. Of course, we also
see Minie May returning again with her crying, and I'm like,
how is she so on point with the crying. I
guess that's maybe that's why she was hired, I don't know.
But also during this time we get to see Anne
being rejected in her recent story that she had sent
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to a publisher Averrol's Revenge, which, by the way, there's
so many great things to that, And we also get
to see her working on the sequel as we open
up this scene which there is a meetcute between her
and Morgan Harris, who we see later on. And yes,
he's a dashing, handsome man who is hanging out with
the ladies by the coast. You know all those things.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
That's the voice to use.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yes, thank you, very sophisticated man. Anne and all her
chums have grown up and are making grown up decisions,
including marriage, and as such, it is soon revealed Anne
by Gilbert that her bosom buddy and friend Diane has
accepted a proposal of marriage to Fred.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Wright, who she's disappointed by and.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Also because he's not the romantic, dashing, sophisticated man that
they've talked about for so long. Also, she feels like
she's losing her best friend. And I've been there, been there.
This all leads to Gilbert proposing to her later on,
whom she rejects as she wants more, which includes her
moving away and seeing the world and continuing to write,
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She's just not ready to let go of that dream.
And yes, there's a clam bake that we witnessed. There's
a wedding for Diana as well, all of the beautiful things.
And Annie sent me a text with a line, and
it took me a good ten minutes to figure out
she was sending me a line from the movie about
the clam bake.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Thank you Annie, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I was well, it was so funny because I was
watching it and it was like Anne and Gilbert were
having this fight and then to me apropos of nothing
out of nowhere, Gilbert's.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Like, well, you're still coming with me? It's a friend's
clam bake. And I just died.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Wait it's important Annie engaging party. Hello.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
But I loved it because I was like, wait, we
were supposed to go to a clam bake.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
We supposed to do something this weekend. I don't understand.
So it was a good, good moment for all.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So after all of this and the disappointment and the
pain and then the rejection, there's so much, there's so
much behind the back whispering and talking so painful. She
decides to take up a position in Kingsport, New Brunswick,
to become a teacher at the all girls school at
Kingsport Lady College, where Miss Stacy is overall in charge of,
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and then she soon starts her journey there on rocky grounds, though,
as many feel, another person should have had that position,
a Pringle who pretty much owns the town. So the
Pringles owned this entire town, giant family of them, and
so they wanted one of their own who was not
qualified and so was upset that Anne got this position,
and her first class is almost as bumpy as she
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ends up on the bad side of the principal, Captain
Brook spelled with a K, who goes back to put
spell out with a sea because Anne was so glad
about this. So that was oh and her having to
deal with the young Pringle ladies who are very privileged
and very snobby. Yes, so we also get to meet
Emma Aline Harris, who we know later as a kindred
spirit and comes to her defense and tries to help.
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And we find out that the girls have been bullying
Emma a Line for not being a pure Pringle, which
I would have thought that would have been incest. So I
was very confused by this that she says I'm half Pringle.
I'm like, yeah, wait what, I'm confused. And then and
then by the way, there's also this that she's been
made fun of because her father married his cousin who
was the Pringle, so therefore what Okay, Yeah, there are
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several moments of me going this doesn't exactly make sense,
but okay, I'm gonna go with it. And then we
find out that Emma Line is the daughter of the
handsome and dashing, sophisticated Morgan Harris, who has a bit
of a reputation as a philanderer. And I'm like, I
don't feel that's a bad thing, but okay, sure, And
after an incident with a broken roof and a bicycle,
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hilarious mister Harris removes Emmaline from the school, along with
his hefty funds that the school has been receiving until
that point. The Pringles soon follows suit and threatening to
remove theirs funds as well. They blame and for ruining
the school. And here goes Miss Stacy with a plan
to raise money to save the school and use the
Pregels to do so, charging twenty five dollars per person
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for a play. And that seems like a lot of
money today for a single high school play. So nineteen
oh two, nineteen oh three, my gosh, yeah, you know. So.
At the same time and they see reclusive missus Harris
and her daughter Pauline, who are the caretakers for Emmaline
when the father's away. She convinces them to allow her
to tutor Emmaline, who's not attending the school at this time.
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And yes, of course, the conversation talks about cannibalism and
the reputation of the family and the importance of looking
good in front of all of the pring goals in
the town. Oh, so many things to be said, of course,
and charms the family brings the light literally like she
opens up the windows to bring a light to the
house and to their job lives, which we love to see.
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Here we see so many adventures with opening up missus
Harris to see the world again or at least the
town allow music back in, allowing Pauline a little bit
of freedom, just a tiny bit of freedom to adventure
as well, going to Boston together, which is kind of
that oh fantasy, traveling the world with the most handsome
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man and his family.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Of course, so we have all of those things come through.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
She soon finds out the reason for the darkness within
the family, the death of Emmalaian's mother, and then the
reputation is being ruined and all of the rumors as
well as charms mister Harris with her witten personality and
her beautiful looks. Obviously not for the play which occurs
that evening, which the main lead and the main bully,
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jin Pringle, calls out sick conveniently, but Emmeline is able
to understudy and wows everyone with her performance and with
the success of the play and wows the whole community yay,
even bringing back Gen to apologize.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
She's soon invited to the hospital Bazaarre and it's the
toast of the town, and no surprise, Morgan proposes to
Anne in the snow, very romantic after she kicks him.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
We'll see and.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Even though this is exactly what she had dreamed, she
said no, realizing she missed home and the people there,
including dearest Gill who she had recently seen and is
currently at medical school and engaged to another woman, and adds.
The story continues, we see the death of missus Harris,
which kind of like, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Everything ends.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
We find Anne longing to go back home to her
beautiful Green Gables, turning down a five year contract for
the college because she was such a success, but just
wants to go home and decides to take Miss Brooks
with her for the summer, who accepts finally and lets
that cold exterior melt. Anne is so persistent to be friends,
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and Anne says it's a kinder spirit after all, and
do all those prickles she says. Upon her rival back home,
we find out that Gil has taken ill with a
scarlet fever and is dying. Oh no, and then admits
her mistake and her feelings for him and it's desperate
to talk with him before it's too late, and gets
a chance to with the fact that she actually wrote
her first book, which is she took advice from Gil
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many a time ago when he said she should just
write the stories of the places she knows, so she did.
It is published and she takes a copy to Gil,
who soon recovers, and they get to do their long
walks or short walks into the woods to the bridge.
End scene.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
You're welcome, Yes, beautiful, Samantha, excellent.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You're welcome, of course.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
The next part is I thought it is and the
Continuing Story, but I think it's also called and Gables
a continuing story, So I'm a little confused.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Cool cool, cool, which I have seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm not gonna make you watch it, Annie, even though
you can if you want to, I can pull that up.
But it goes to her traveling to the US becoming
a writer. There's more death. I believe it also has
to do with the World War and find trying to
find Gilbert. So there's a lot, there's a lot that
comes continues on just so you know. But I again,
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I love these stories. Thank you for coming on this
journey with me. Thanks for clam bake, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
With you.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
I hope you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Enjoyed it as much as I did in my childhood
and I still love Did I watch it again today
as I was prepping for this reporting, maybe did my
partner come in and going, are you watching this again?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Like, don't start with me?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
What is the comment?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I think I love these movies.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think it brings it so much close to like
fondness to my heart just seeing these characters come to
life again and watching these like vivid colors of this
beautiful area.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I do want to go to Prince Edward Island. I
think we should go.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Hey, anybody from Prince Edward Island wants to sponsor us
at any point and have us come through and do
some episodes, We're ready, yeah, ready putting that out there
because I didn't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But yeah, there's so many themes to this.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They're a little similar to the previous obviously, with the
independence and the growth and the love and all of
the telling of trying to find ourselves some friendships, because
that's the story of Anna green Gables, and Shirley loves
people and finds the good in people as much as
she can. But one of the things I loved, and
I think it kind of reminiscent for so many is
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the idea of home.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And maybe that's one of the.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Reasons I loved this movie is that she found her
home after so long of searching to belong and that
that was never really questioned again, that this this was
her she. And when you talk about Anne, surely we
talk about Avonlea and in green Gables, and I loved
every place to that. Also, the fact that she did
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want to travel, was she did want to see the world,
but in the like I just want to go home.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think that resonates with a lot of
people when you're at that age where it feels like
you have so many forking paths of like, well, I
could go this way, I could go to this college,
or what if I want to go do this, what
if I want to be the writer, what if I
want to do all these things? And it's interesting early
in the beginning, you see towards the end of the
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first one, she had been accepted by the town and
they're like, oh, you make us proud, and like, oh,
they're still talking a little bit about her behind her back,
but they do that with everybody, and so it kind
of immediately starts that way because she's trying to get
this stuff published and people are like whispering about what
she's trying to do. And then Diana sent her story
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to a baking powder company without her reliable it's reliable
without Anne's permission, but she wins the award and like
everybody kind of clapping around the back and wanting to autograph,
and like, as we talked about in the previous one,
that kind of small town vibe but almost needing, like
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needing to go away to appreciate home even more like
needing to because Marilla Rachel Lynde moves in with Marilla
after her husband dies, which I thought was very cute,
the two of them living together, and Marilla is like,
you know what, I want you to go see your dreams.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
You can go so far. What do you want to
do go?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I've always felt bad that you stayed here because of this,
and Anne was like quick to reassure, like, no, no, no, no,
I wanted to do that, but kind of that, like, yeah,
she needed to go out and see, because again, you
can get all in your head about like what should
I do? What is the right path and what is
the best thing, and sometimes you just have to go
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experience something else to be like you know what, No,
this was not for me. Actually what I want is
what I had already, right, And I think.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
The other part of that is she made a home
and the things that we've talked about a lot about
making this home and making the family and sometimes if
the home is not a place, but it's the people
or the group that you love or have found so
much comfort in, and that's one of the things that
being there in their presence is her home. And I
think that's a good thing to note. Only as much
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as she has made a place for herself out in
the world, what she feels best in was with the
people who know her best and bring out the good,
bring out all of the good and the bad and
the ugly and the impressive, and accept all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I feel like that was.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Such a good like, yes, Marilla really knows who she
is and coming back to understanding, like the big things
that happened for her, with the big significance is who
she is and how she's overcome so much. So I
really did want to reaction though. One of the things
I wish I had I been able to see. And
I know it's a lot because it's already like three
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hundred minutes long.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I think I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That to see Marilla's reaction in her getting a proposal
and then her rejecting it. So I didn't really really
would love to have seen that reaction. But I think, yeah,
I think that's the whole idea of that home and
being comfortable, and that's one of the things we should, like,
we want to talk about later. I want to talk
about later about how people there's a comment that if
you feel sleepy at a place, it's because you feel
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comfortable and the first time you've been able to rest.
I was like, oh, I don't know if that's true,
because when I get anxious, I get sleepy, So that's
the opposite for me, I feel like, but that's a
whole different conversation, but kind of that feel, you know,
that feel of one and when we talk about that,
and that's what's home is and being able to find
yourself again and no matter how big you may get,
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that you feel better there or they know you best
and you don't have to worry about that. Yes, anyway,
And then a part of that is growing up. And
I think this is this big theme. At the very beginning,
she talks about that she did wish nothing would change
and everything was stay in the same. She talks about
losing her best friend because she's getting married.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I've been there.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I remember in college when I had best friends that
they were getting married. It just felt like I lost somebody,
which was a whole different conversation. I'm like, I would
hope not that's not how this were, but somehow, in
my mind that meant I lost a person because they
are going with someone else. And of course, when we
talk about marriage, it's a pretty big deal. I think
it was way much more of a big deal when
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we were for me, when I was more into my
religious state, because this whole idea of ownership and becoming
one was such a big part of marriage, which is
probably why I don't like the idea of marriage today.
But because of that meant you have to let go
of everything else and be in this marriage, which is
what religion teaches you in so many ways, and so
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in that mindset, I'm like, marriage is losing somebody. If
I'm not marrying that person, obviously, then I'm losing that
person because they are that whole unit, and not that
marriage shouldn't. You should be married to your best friend,
you should want to know and like all of this.
But it's such a weird dichotomy. For me, as someone
who was always the best friend of the person getting married,
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it always felt like.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I lost somebody. Again, not true.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
There are definitely couples that I love and hanging out
with and I feel no change in our relationships, and.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But there are those who really go into it in
that mindset of like I have to lose everything else
because my focus has to be my husband, my partner,
my soon to be children. You know, there are so
many things, And again that sounds so selfish in that
small manner. That's okay, that's okay, that's your life. It's
not a wrong or right in that it just as
the other person, it feels really really hurtful.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I guess for me, if I.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Just take these really personally, because I as a old
person who has adopted, there's a lot of things about
being left out and then being in the way as
the conversation goes, there's a lot of rejection issues here.
So that's in itself, but that it is the whole
idea in this moment of like she's going to lose
her best friend to him who was nothing like what
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we had talked about.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, yeah, and going back to like that whole you know,
forking path.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's it's scary when you know, like.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Everybody's facing those things right, like, not just you, and
so your life might just diverge.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
And for Anne, who like.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Came in and was not about like finding romance, it
was like I need to find.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
My bosom friend. I need to find my bosom buddy.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And it was Diana like, it makes total sense to
me that she would feel almost a sense of betrayal
of like right or wrong, but like you would feel
this sense of like, but you are so important to me,
Why why are you changing what we have for this guy?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
By the way, the character who plays that was a
part of the ensemble Kids in the Hall, which is
a huge.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Nineties yeah comedy show.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He was as well as the dude who you see
during the hospital bizarre who dances with her.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I think his name is Foley, David Foley.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
They were both a part of the Kids, And I'm like,
but this is Canadian acting. Of course, a couple of
the Canada has a lot of good actors.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We know, we get it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But I'm just saying like that was like interesting to
me because it was during that time I was watching this,
and also I knew kids in the hall as well.
I was like that, dude's a completely different character here,
right obviously, but yeah, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
On top of that, like growing up, you have.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
These ideals of what it's going to look like in
the future, and then when that comes crumbling down, even
though the reality is yes, you're never it's never going
to be that way. I think we all just and
that I had this dream when I was in high school.
I'm gonna go to college and these are the things
I'm gonna do, and this is where I'm going to
be about this age and this age, and this.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Is who I'm gonna marry. And none of that happened.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
None, absolutely zero percent of what I thought growing up
was going to happen did not happen.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yes, yes, And that goes back to the very long
and kind of complicated conversation we had in one of
our Sex in the City Watch Through episodes. We were
talking about the difference between like settling because you feel
like you have to in settling because maybe that's ultimately
what you want, and how there should probably be a
different term for that kind of settling. But I also think,
(26:35):
like during this time, I was struck by it's different
now because we have you know, we have a lot
of modes of communication with each other, but if an's
moving away, then the mode of communication is letter, and
who knows how long that will take to get there,
and just that puts us strain on things. And also
like marriage overall was different back then. We've made strides,
(27:00):
I would argue we still have a lot of strides
to make towards gender equality and marriage, but back.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Then it was much different.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
So yeah, I was it was hard not to think
about that of like, yeah, I mean, diet, his life
is going to change now, and that's just sort of
the nature of things. And I've I've come to that
too because I hang on to people hard. I I
it's hard for me not to take things personally, and
I know that's like a me thing. But it does
(27:30):
kind of feel like, oh, you found someone you'd rather
hang out with more than me, and and that it's
just I hang on so hard. But it's natural if
you if you meet somebody and you get married and
your life changes and you move into a different state,
and that doesn't mean you can't still hang out. But
it also doesn't mean that like things won't change right right,
(27:51):
which can be scary. Yeah, it is very scary.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Another thing that I really loved, of course, is love.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I love love, But like in the conversations that we
see that's happening about again, who we fall in love with,
who we want to fall in love with? We even
hear Marilla talk about it, and then she sees the
X and it's an awkward moment.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Of like do you want to come in for tea?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And then I gotta go on here for my boy,
which the thought process for me is like thank goodness
they didn't get together, because where would Anne be hello?
But like the whole idea of love reality versus the fantasy,
and in fact this Anne actually got her fantasy in
this moment with mister Harris, and she got the trip
(28:48):
and being swept away and buying all the hasts that
they wanted, having all the beautiful moments in Boston, like
so many things that she could have done, and realizing
it's okay, I've got this, but I think I like
this other well that was better, which is just simple,
and I don't even think it's that simple because the
dude was dying of scarlet fever, which is also part
(29:09):
of the whole, like I'm going to bring you back
from death with my care that she mentions in the
first one with Diane she doesn't ish, but like, that's
that's kind of the part of that is finding the
reality versus the fantasy and then letting it unfold and
you get to choose. She gets to choose, but technically
she doesn't choose either, and that's also amazing for this
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time and age, Like this is a romance, but it's
not a romance.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Right right, Yeah, I mean I think that's it's a
really good point too. I bet a lot of us,
myself very much included, I can relate to, as you said,
kind of having that idea of what you think you
want and this fantasy that usually you picked up through entertainment.
So for Anne, like she's reading all these fantasies, and
it's like forming these ideas of what she wants and
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then when you actually get in the situation and it
checks off a bunch of the boxes and you're like,
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Really into this. I thought I would be.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
But that relates back to growing up as well and
having those sort of learning life experiences and people, hopefully
most people grow and change, and so for her, romance
just wasn't a big thing for her for a long time,
and so and Gil had his own growing up to
(30:30):
do and figuring things out, and sometimes the timing's just
not right, and you've got to wait until it is,
until you're both ready and in the healthy place, well.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
For him, not healthy place, but then healthy mentally. There
you go.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, there's so much in that, and I think that's
kind of a back and forth. Of course, we also
enjoy the fact that she got to have it, and
not many people get to have these reality the fantasies
come through or come true. So for her, she actually
got that, and it's a glorious moment of her going,
never mind, I don't want this. It's weird that he
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did bring another woman for as a date who he's recording.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Throughout the movie and then being like want to marry you.
I'm like, wait what.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
And then the whole dance card thing.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I was like, oh, yeah, we love a good dance card.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
The other part is do they know this dance? Have
they figured out these dances?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Because you have to learn, like we've talked about Bridgerton
been learning these dances and how it took them days
and days and days to get this routine. Like same
thing here, Hello, Yeah, I do love it, by the way,
but yeah, I think it's interesting that we get to
see that ray of love and then also again we
get to see the different people coming through her life
talking about love, to see Brooks coming in and then
(31:48):
Brooke coming in and talking about her lack of love
in general and just giving up from jump, like being
so disappointed with life, giving up on it.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
And then she finds a bo oh to people interested possibly.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
At Heavenly as she leaves, but you know whatever, But yeah,
bringing in as we talk about Brooke, another kindred spirit
that took the entire movie to finally get through all
the kindred spirits that have been a part of the
entirety of.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
The series, which is one of the delights to me, So.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Like connecting with people on a deeper level, but knowing
that there's something about them.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That is going to teach you and you're going to
teach them is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And that's kind of that whole wonderful process as we
see her talking to Miss Harris and Emma Line, and
then we get to see her with Miss Stacy again
and how they are thicke as these even though they've
only had one year together technically, and then we get
to see her breaking through a brooke exterior of which
is hard and cold and really really angry for the
(32:51):
misshaps in her life, and like being able to show
her something different like that is that conversation and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
We love to see it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
We love to see it coming back through and just
pouring it out throughout the movie.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It's just a good plot line.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's just great because how yeah, this are the things
that I want to see is the connections with the
women throughout, And of course there's some men sprinkled in there,
but it's the women that she connects to and even
though it could be hostile, she still breaks through and
there is a layer of just people wanting to connect
in general.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, I had many times I was like, this
is the compound Samantha and I've talked about.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Like you get older, you move in with your best
lady friends. Yes, yes, yeah, I know. I love that
to you.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I love that you see, you see all these different
kinds of relationships between women too, Because you've got Anne
and Miss Stacy was like her mentor and Miss Stacy,
you know, being there for Anne and building her up
and helping her.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Find these opportunities.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Then you've got Anne and Emmeline, so she's having the
chance to be the mentor and build somebody up up
and give opportunities. With Miss Brooke, yeah, she's like who
says like I didn't want to be the school teacher.
I didn't want to be this Like here I am
and offering her like, well, you know, I have this
(34:16):
other option. I have this other path you can try,
and having her take that and like just seeing you
know the relationship between Anne and Marilla getting stronger.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Anne and Rachel Lynn still being my kind of enemies
but still friends.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And then I love the scene with the cow where
Diana follows her after the cow in her white dress
in the mud, like just like all right, I'm going
to help him like still being kind of that steady friendship.
So it's like, not only do we have a bunch
of these different relationships between women, We've got a bunch.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Of different shades. That's pretty rare still to see.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, it is, and I and just I love it.
I love that it continues to build up.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
People are still yes, you know, we have still had
that cattiness, but she never gives up hope on people
building them up and what it looks like when you
continue to persevere even still does it all? Is it
always that golden Of course not, but it is still
a beautiful story. I love the connections, and I think
that's what I really enjoyed about shows like this. This
is also why I love Sex in the City, even
(35:24):
though there's so many other things did that, But the
level of camaraderie again with the friends and the people
and the women when they actually want to see each
other succeed, and that's the beauty of the entire thing.
Diane is doing what she wants to do, which is
to be with her family and to grow a large
family within her town, and loving that. Seeing Marilla thriving
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on the farm, even though she thought she was gonna
lose it, you know, stuff like that, Miss Stacey, even
though with her quote unquote hardships that she had in
our previous show, she's grown. She's getting up and getting
the respect that she deserves in the industry that she
hadn't pushed away from it.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Certain towns you know.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Like it's it's wonderful. We love it, we love to
see it, and yeah, this will remain one of my favorites.
And honestly, I would love to hear from anyone who
again has been to Prince Edward Island want to tell
me about it, or it lives in Prince Edward Island,
would like us to stay with them, or yes, you
can tell us the differences between the books and let
us know what you thought, what you didn't like, what
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you did like, what you wish they had added, and
what you liked was a different take.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Awesome, Yes, it would be amazing because I think as
we record this, the first one hasn't come out yet,
our first Yeah, this hasn't come out, so we haven't
heard any feedback yet, so yes, keep it coming anymore.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yes, we need we need more.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Let's all celebrate in of Avonlea autumn.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Let's do it. Let's do It.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You can email us at Steph Mediamomstuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast
or in Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Thanks as always to our super producer Christina.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Living that life. We know she's out there.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Thank you, Christine, Yes, thank you Christina, and thanks to
you for listening STUFFE Never told you the protection of
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Speaker 5 (37:09):
Or where you listen to your favorite shows.
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
I never told you Protection of iHeart Radio. And today, yes,
we are bringing back our classic Aunt, Anne of Avonlea,
in part because inspired by our recent happy Hour we
(00:27):
did on PBS in which many fond memories were bought up, Yes,
including this, and this was a fun one and we
had a good time with these, so please enjoy this
classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome
to Stephane never told you Protection of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes, we mentioned earlier in our last fmf or feminist
movie Friday, we were going to do a part two,
and yes we had to come back around to the
sequel of the Beloved and of green Gables, otherwise known
as Anne of Avonlea, the continuing story of Anne of
green Gables. Apparently there's a lot of like remixing of
(01:20):
the titles, because that's kind of how I knew it.
But then it became Ann of green Gables, a sequel,
just Ann of Avonlea, So there's a few names floating about.
And not to be confused with all the other remakes.
This is a Sullivan Entertainment production or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,
the CBC edition. And yes, Annie and I had to
(01:42):
download Gazebo TV in order to be able to watch
the sequel, which is a delight in itself.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yes, yes, it's yes, it was quite funny the links
we went to. I think, as you said, Gazebo TV
is sort of like Hallmark but for like pioneer Times
are like.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Older older times kind of thing. Yeah, but we put
in the effort and here we are in.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
My Discovery as I've signed up for now since we're
subscribed to it, they sent me an advertising for the
Anna Green Cables cookbook, and I'm a little intrigued on
what is in there because it seems legitimately like old school,
like the ovens that are just fire ovens, fire stoves
that you are the open flames essentially, And I'm like
(02:33):
should I No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Because I don't use any of the cookbooks.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm not very good at cookbooks in general. But like, wow,
I was like, oh, they legitimately go all the way
into this era.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, apparently yes, and again.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Hilariously kind of eerily because I'm like, oh, yeah, my
phone listens to me and I forget this sometimes, but
it wasn't. It was because of a mutual of mine
like this. But there was a tweet this week and
I have to share it because it falls along the
lines of us talking about and Green Gables and of Avonlea,
and the tweet says, quote, now that hot girl summer
(03:12):
is coming to an end and of Avonlea autumn can begin.
We're reading an ungodly amount of fantasy. We're climbing trees,
swimming in lakes and baking pies. We're getting into wholesome
trouble and telling me and boys to get wrecked. And
this was from at riw Reese, not the same way
you spill it, but close, and I love that. I
(03:32):
was like, how in the world, I swear what is
happening that the universe comes together that the week that
you and I are watching these movies, that they must
tweet this. And then it got like over seventeen thousand legs,
as it should, as it deserves, because it is an
amazing tweet. I lets say it's Evergreen for me, but
(03:52):
she puts in later She's like, oh my god, all
the kindred spirits here, and then does the crying emoji phase,
and I was like, yes, it's true, and I know
everything about this because I love the Cardigan's, the fall picnics. Yes,
I'm excited to dive right into this era. I feel
like it's calling to me. Yeah, sosssation girl.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Well you know what follows my favorite season, And I'm
already ready to like put on my warm clothes and
my my scarves and frolic in the leaves as they
change colors and the autumn types food because I love
like autumnal food.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
So yes, I am right there with you.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh so excited. We made Chiley the other day because
I got a little over excited and it was like
eighty five degrees with my gues. It's worth it, It's
worth it. Yes, But moving on.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yes, we mentioned before the sequel goes away from the
original written second book in Lucy Montgomery's and beloved.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Series, and yes it takes some liberties to the interpretations.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
We have to admit all of this as in fact,
the video series is an amalgamation of three of the books,
including Anne of Avonlea and of the Island and Anne
of a Windy Poplars and from I've researched as I
haven't read any of the books.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm sorry, y'all.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Sullivan mixed and matched a bit of the characters that
were written because he wrote this, and in some key
differences are the romantic plots, location, characters and the such. So, yes,
we know this is a big caveat and its own thing,
almost outside of the characters that are written in there
and the main.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Characters that is. But people still love it, and though
the differences, again are big, the TV series still has
a high overall rating.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
When I looked at it at the IMDb level, it's
four point eight out of five stars. Wow for a
CBC series, Hello, And it's dearly beloved, especially by me,
and also has been awarded with many mini accolades and awards,
including the Golden Hugo Award, many Gemini Awards, the Cable
eight Awards, and many more. So it is still a
(05:50):
jewel of a classic. That's how I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Mm hmm. I love it. I love it, and you.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Can tell I'm very passionate about the spending this. I still, yes,
I still do need to go back and read all
of those even though they're technically I guess children's books.
But it's still loved, and it still carries through and
has carried on obviously as it keeps getting remade. Okay,
but let's go ahead, We're gonna go jump into the
(06:18):
movie's plot. We have our characters back, including Megan follows
as Anne, Shirley Marilla played by Colleen Doohurst, Gilbert played
by Jonathan Crombie, Diane played by Schuler Grant, Miss Stacy
played by Marilyn Lightstone, and Rachel Lynn played by Patricia Hamilton.
But we have some new characters, including the Harris family,
which includes Morgan Harris and then his daughter Emmaline Harris,
(06:40):
his mother, Missus Harris, and his sister Pauline Harris.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And then we get introduced.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To many of the Pringles of Kingsport or New Brunswick,
and that Prickly had mistress or principal of Kingsport Ladies College,
Catherine Brook, so they come into play. Of course, there's
many more characters that we've already known or are new,
but it's a pretty big list and we're not going
to do all that. So in a sequel, we come
(07:06):
back to Anne in her Lovely Green Gables Avonlea Adventures
where she's been teaching at the school of Avonlea with
summer coming in school ending and gets ready for all
the adventures to come. And then, by the way, we
also get to meet some of the precocious children and
has been teaching. And by the way, I think one
of the big characters in the book is Anthony Pye,
and we only see him in a split second at
(07:26):
the beginning.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He's one of the ones that get.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
In trouble for smoking in the outhouse Oda, but he's
up one of that we see. Of course, we also
see Minie May returning again with her crying, and I'm like,
how is she so on point with the crying. I
guess that's maybe that's why she was hired, I don't know.
But also during this time we get to see Anne
being rejected in her recent story that she had sent
(07:50):
to a publisher Averrol's Revenge, which, by the way, there's
so many great things to that, And we also get
to see her working on the sequel as we open
up this scene which there is a meetcute between her
and Morgan Harris, who we see later on. And yes,
he's a dashing, handsome man who is hanging out with
the ladies by the coast. You know all those things.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
That's the voice to use.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yes, thank you, very sophisticated man. Anne and all her
chums have grown up and are making grown up decisions,
including marriage, and as such, it is soon revealed Anne
by Gilbert that her bosom buddy and friend Diane has
accepted a proposal of marriage to Fred.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Wright, who she's disappointed by and.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Also because he's not the romantic, dashing, sophisticated man that
they've talked about for so long. Also, she feels like
she's losing her best friend. And I've been there, been there.
This all leads to Gilbert proposing to her later on,
whom she rejects as she wants more, which includes her
moving away and seeing the world and continuing to write,
(08:58):
She's just not ready to let go of that dream.
And yes, there's a clam bake that we witnessed. There's
a wedding for Diana as well, all of the beautiful things.
And Annie sent me a text with a line, and
it took me a good ten minutes to figure out
she was sending me a line from the movie about
the clam bake.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Thank you Annie, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I was well, it was so funny because I was
watching it and it was like Anne and Gilbert were
having this fight and then to me apropos of nothing
out of nowhere, Gilbert's.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Like, well, you're still coming with me? It's a friend's
clam bake. And I just died.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Wait it's important Annie engaging party. Hello.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
But I loved it because I was like, wait, we
were supposed to go to a clam bake.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
We supposed to do something this weekend. I don't understand.
So it was a good, good moment for all.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So after all of this and the disappointment and the
pain and then the rejection, there's so much, there's so
much behind the back whispering and talking so painful. She
decides to take up a position in Kingsport, New Brunswick,
to become a teacher at the all girls school at
Kingsport Lady College, where Miss Stacy is overall in charge of,
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and then she soon starts her journey there on rocky grounds, though,
as many feel, another person should have had that position,
a Pringle who pretty much owns the town. So the
Pringles owned this entire town, giant family of them, and
so they wanted one of their own who was not
qualified and so was upset that Anne got this position,
and her first class is almost as bumpy as she
(10:55):
ends up on the bad side of the principal, Captain
Brook spelled with a K, who goes back to put
spell out with a sea because Anne was so glad
about this. So that was oh and her having to
deal with the young Pringle ladies who are very privileged
and very snobby. Yes, so we also get to meet
Emma Aline Harris, who we know later as a kindred
spirit and comes to her defense and tries to help.
(11:18):
And we find out that the girls have been bullying
Emma a Line for not being a pure Pringle, which
I would have thought that would have been incest. So I
was very confused by this that she says I'm half Pringle.
I'm like, yeah, wait what, I'm confused. And then and
then by the way, there's also this that she's been
made fun of because her father married his cousin who
was the Pringle, so therefore what Okay, Yeah, there are
(11:43):
several moments of me going this doesn't exactly make sense,
but okay, I'm gonna go with it. And then we
find out that Emma Line is the daughter of the
handsome and dashing, sophisticated Morgan Harris, who has a bit
of a reputation as a philanderer. And I'm like, I
don't feel that's a bad thing, but okay, sure, And
after an incident with a broken roof and a bicycle,
(12:05):
hilarious mister Harris removes Emmaline from the school, along with
his hefty funds that the school has been receiving until
that point. The Pringles soon follows suit and threatening to
remove theirs funds as well. They blame and for ruining
the school. And here goes Miss Stacy with a plan
to raise money to save the school and use the
Pregels to do so, charging twenty five dollars per person
(12:27):
for a play. And that seems like a lot of
money today for a single high school play. So nineteen
oh two, nineteen oh three, my gosh, yeah, you know. So.
At the same time and they see reclusive missus Harris
and her daughter Pauline, who are the caretakers for Emmaline
when the father's away. She convinces them to allow her
to tutor Emmaline, who's not attending the school at this time.
(12:49):
And yes, of course, the conversation talks about cannibalism and
the reputation of the family and the importance of looking
good in front of all of the pring goals in
the town. Oh, so many things to be said, of course,
and charms the family brings the light literally like she
opens up the windows to bring a light to the
house and to their job lives, which we love to see.
(13:11):
Here we see so many adventures with opening up missus
Harris to see the world again or at least the
town allow music back in, allowing Pauline a little bit
of freedom, just a tiny bit of freedom to adventure
as well, going to Boston together, which is kind of
that oh fantasy, traveling the world with the most handsome
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man and his family.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Of course, so we have all of those things come through.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
She soon finds out the reason for the darkness within
the family, the death of Emmalaian's mother, and then the
reputation is being ruined and all of the rumors as
well as charms mister Harris with her witten personality and
her beautiful looks. Obviously not for the play which occurs
that evening, which the main lead and the main bully,
(13:59):
jin Pringle, calls out sick conveniently, but Emmeline is able
to understudy and wows everyone with her performance and with
the success of the play and wows the whole community yay,
even bringing back Gen to apologize.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
She's soon invited to the hospital Bazaarre and it's the
toast of the town, and no surprise, Morgan proposes to
Anne in the snow, very romantic after she kicks him.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
We'll see and.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Even though this is exactly what she had dreamed, she
said no, realizing she missed home and the people there,
including dearest Gill who she had recently seen and is
currently at medical school and engaged to another woman, and adds.
The story continues, we see the death of missus Harris,
which kind of like, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Everything ends.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
We find Anne longing to go back home to her
beautiful Green Gables, turning down a five year contract for
the college because she was such a success, but just
wants to go home and decides to take Miss Brooks
with her for the summer, who accepts finally and lets
that cold exterior melt. Anne is so persistent to be friends,
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and Anne says it's a kinder spirit after all, and
do all those prickles she says. Upon her rival back home,
we find out that Gil has taken ill with a
scarlet fever and is dying. Oh no, and then admits
her mistake and her feelings for him and it's desperate
to talk with him before it's too late, and gets
a chance to with the fact that she actually wrote
her first book, which is she took advice from Gil
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many a time ago when he said she should just
write the stories of the places she knows, so she did.
It is published and she takes a copy to Gil,
who soon recovers, and they get to do their long
walks or short walks into the woods to the bridge.
End scene.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
You're welcome, Yes, beautiful, Samantha, excellent.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You're welcome, of course.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
The next part is I thought it is and the
Continuing Story, but I think it's also called and Gables
a continuing story, So I'm a little confused.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Cool cool, cool, which I have seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm not gonna make you watch it, Annie, even though
you can if you want to, I can pull that up.
But it goes to her traveling to the US becoming
a writer. There's more death. I believe it also has
to do with the World War and find trying to
find Gilbert. So there's a lot, there's a lot that
comes continues on just so you know. But I again,
(16:33):
I love these stories. Thank you for coming on this
journey with me. Thanks for clam bake, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
With you.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
I hope you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Enjoyed it as much as I did in my childhood
and I still love Did I watch it again today
as I was prepping for this reporting, maybe did my
partner come in and going, are you watching this again?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Like, don't start with me?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
What is the comment?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I think I love these movies.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think it brings it so much close to like
fondness to my heart just seeing these characters come to
life again and watching these like vivid colors of this
beautiful area.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I do want to go to Prince Edward Island. I
think we should go.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Hey, anybody from Prince Edward Island wants to sponsor us
at any point and have us come through and do
some episodes, We're ready, yeah, ready putting that out there
because I didn't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But yeah, there's so many themes to this.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They're a little similar to the previous obviously, with the
independence and the growth and the love and all of
the telling of trying to find ourselves some friendships, because
that's the story of Anna green Gables, and Shirley loves
people and finds the good in people as much as
she can. But one of the things I loved, and
I think it kind of reminiscent for so many is
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the idea of home.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And maybe that's one of the.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Reasons I loved this movie is that she found her
home after so long of searching to belong and that
that was never really questioned again, that this this was
her she. And when you talk about Anne, surely we
talk about Avonlea and in green Gables, and I loved
every place to that. Also, the fact that she did
(18:15):
want to travel, was she did want to see the world,
but in the like I just want to go home.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think that resonates with a lot of
people when you're at that age where it feels like
you have so many forking paths of like, well, I
could go this way, I could go to this college,
or what if I want to go do this, what
if I want to be the writer, what if I
want to do all these things? And it's interesting early
in the beginning, you see towards the end of the
(18:42):
first one, she had been accepted by the town and
they're like, oh, you make us proud, and like, oh,
they're still talking a little bit about her behind her back,
but they do that with everybody, and so it kind
of immediately starts that way because she's trying to get
this stuff published and people are like whispering about what
she's trying to do. And then Diana sent her story
(19:04):
to a baking powder company without her reliable it's reliable
without Anne's permission, but she wins the award and like
everybody kind of clapping around the back and wanting to autograph,
and like, as we talked about in the previous one,
that kind of small town vibe but almost needing, like
(19:26):
needing to go away to appreciate home even more like
needing to because Marilla Rachel Lynde moves in with Marilla
after her husband dies, which I thought was very cute,
the two of them living together, and Marilla is like,
you know what, I want you to go see your dreams.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
You can go so far. What do you want to
do go?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I've always felt bad that you stayed here because of this,
and Anne was like quick to reassure, like, no, no, no, no,
I wanted to do that, but kind of that, like, yeah,
she needed to go out and see, because again, you
can get all in your head about like what should
I do? What is the right path and what is
the best thing, and sometimes you just have to go
(20:13):
experience something else to be like you know what, No,
this was not for me. Actually what I want is
what I had already, right, And I think.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
The other part of that is she made a home
and the things that we've talked about a lot about
making this home and making the family and sometimes if
the home is not a place, but it's the people
or the group that you love or have found so
much comfort in, and that's one of the things that
being there in their presence is her home. And I
think that's a good thing to note. Only as much
(20:43):
as she has made a place for herself out in
the world, what she feels best in was with the
people who know her best and bring out the good,
bring out all of the good and the bad and
the ugly and the impressive, and accept all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I feel like that was.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Such a good like, yes, Marilla really knows who she
is and coming back to understanding, like the big things
that happened for her, with the big significance is who
she is and how she's overcome so much. So I
really did want to reaction though. One of the things
I wish I had I been able to see. And
I know it's a lot because it's already like three
(21:17):
hundred minutes long.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I think I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That to see Marilla's reaction in her getting a proposal
and then her rejecting it. So I didn't really really
would love to have seen that reaction. But I think, yeah,
I think that's the whole idea of that home and
being comfortable, and that's one of the things we should, like,
we want to talk about later. I want to talk
about later about how people there's a comment that if
you feel sleepy at a place, it's because you feel
(21:41):
comfortable and the first time you've been able to rest.
I was like, oh, I don't know if that's true,
because when I get anxious, I get sleepy, So that's
the opposite for me, I feel like, but that's a
whole different conversation, but kind of that feel, you know,
that feel of one and when we talk about that,
and that's what's home is and being able to find
yourself again and no matter how big you may get,
(22:02):
that you feel better there or they know you best
and you don't have to worry about that. Yes, anyway,
And then a part of that is growing up. And
I think this is this big theme. At the very beginning,
she talks about that she did wish nothing would change
and everything was stay in the same. She talks about
losing her best friend because she's getting married.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I've been there.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I remember in college when I had best friends that
they were getting married. It just felt like I lost somebody,
which was a whole different conversation. I'm like, I would
hope not that's not how this were, but somehow, in
my mind that meant I lost a person because they
are going with someone else. And of course, when we
talk about marriage, it's a pretty big deal. I think
it was way much more of a big deal when
(22:45):
we were for me, when I was more into my
religious state, because this whole idea of ownership and becoming
one was such a big part of marriage, which is
probably why I don't like the idea of marriage today.
But because of that meant you have to let go
of everything else and be in this marriage, which is
what religion teaches you in so many ways, and so
(23:06):
in that mindset, I'm like, marriage is losing somebody. If
I'm not marrying that person, obviously, then I'm losing that
person because they are that whole unit, and not that
marriage shouldn't. You should be married to your best friend,
you should want to know and like all of this.
But it's such a weird dichotomy. For me, as someone
who was always the best friend of the person getting married,
(23:27):
it always felt like.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I lost somebody. Again, not true.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
There are definitely couples that I love and hanging out
with and I feel no change in our relationships, and.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But there are those who really go into it in
that mindset of like I have to lose everything else
because my focus has to be my husband, my partner,
my soon to be children. You know, there are so
many things, And again that sounds so selfish in that
small manner. That's okay, that's okay, that's your life. It's
not a wrong or right in that it just as
the other person, it feels really really hurtful.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I guess for me, if I.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Just take these really personally, because I as a old
person who has adopted, there's a lot of things about
being left out and then being in the way as
the conversation goes, there's a lot of rejection issues here.
So that's in itself, but that it is the whole
idea in this moment of like she's going to lose
her best friend to him who was nothing like what
(24:22):
we had talked about.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, yeah, and going back to like that whole you know,
forking path.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's it's scary when you know, like.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Everybody's facing those things right, like, not just you, and
so your life might just diverge.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
And for Anne, who like.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Came in and was not about like finding romance, it
was like I need to find.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
My bosom friend. I need to find my bosom buddy.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And it was Diana like, it makes total sense to
me that she would feel almost a sense of betrayal
of like right or wrong, but like you would feel
this sense of like, but you are so important to me,
Why why are you changing what we have for this guy?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
By the way, the character who plays that was a
part of the ensemble Kids in the Hall, which is
a huge.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Nineties yeah comedy show.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He was as well as the dude who you see
during the hospital bizarre who dances with her.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I think his name is Foley, David Foley.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
They were both a part of the Kids, And I'm like,
but this is Canadian acting. Of course, a couple of
the Canada has a lot of good actors.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We know, we get it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But I'm just saying like that was like interesting to
me because it was during that time I was watching this,
and also I knew kids in the hall as well.
I was like that, dude's a completely different character here,
right obviously, but yeah, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
On top of that, like growing up, you have.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
These ideals of what it's going to look like in
the future, and then when that comes crumbling down, even
though the reality is yes, you're never it's never going
to be that way. I think we all just and
that I had this dream when I was in high school.
I'm gonna go to college and these are the things
I'm gonna do, and this is where I'm going to
be about this age and this age, and this.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Is who I'm gonna marry. And none of that happened.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
None, absolutely zero percent of what I thought growing up
was going to happen did not happen.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yes, yes, And that goes back to the very long
and kind of complicated conversation we had in one of
our Sex in the City Watch Through episodes. We were
talking about the difference between like settling because you feel
like you have to in settling because maybe that's ultimately
what you want, and how there should probably be a
different term for that kind of settling. But I also think,
(26:35):
like during this time, I was struck by it's different
now because we have you know, we have a lot
of modes of communication with each other, but if an's
moving away, then the mode of communication is letter, and
who knows how long that will take to get there,
and just that puts us strain on things. And also
like marriage overall was different back then. We've made strides,
(27:00):
I would argue we still have a lot of strides
to make towards gender equality and marriage, but back.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Then it was much different.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
So yeah, I was it was hard not to think
about that of like, yeah, I mean, diet, his life
is going to change now, and that's just sort of
the nature of things. And I've I've come to that
too because I hang on to people hard. I I
it's hard for me not to take things personally, and
I know that's like a me thing. But it does
(27:30):
kind of feel like, oh, you found someone you'd rather
hang out with more than me, and and that it's
just I hang on so hard. But it's natural if
you if you meet somebody and you get married and
your life changes and you move into a different state,
and that doesn't mean you can't still hang out. But
it also doesn't mean that like things won't change right right,
(27:51):
which can be scary. Yeah, it is very scary.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Another thing that I really loved, of course, is love.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I love love, But like in the conversations that we
see that's happening about again, who we fall in love with,
who we want to fall in love with? We even
hear Marilla talk about it, and then she sees the
X and it's an awkward moment.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Of like do you want to come in for tea?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And then I gotta go on here for my boy,
which the thought process for me is like thank goodness
they didn't get together, because where would Anne be hello?
But like the whole idea of love reality versus the fantasy,
and in fact this Anne actually got her fantasy in
this moment with mister Harris, and she got the trip
(28:48):
and being swept away and buying all the hasts that
they wanted, having all the beautiful moments in Boston, like
so many things that she could have done, and realizing
it's okay, I've got this, but I think I like
this other well that was better, which is just simple,
and I don't even think it's that simple because the
dude was dying of scarlet fever, which is also part
(29:09):
of the whole, like I'm going to bring you back
from death with my care that she mentions in the
first one with Diane she doesn't ish, but like, that's
that's kind of the part of that is finding the
reality versus the fantasy and then letting it unfold and
you get to choose. She gets to choose, but technically
she doesn't choose either, and that's also amazing for this
(29:31):
time and age, Like this is a romance, but it's
not a romance.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Right right, Yeah, I mean I think that's it's a
really good point too. I bet a lot of us,
myself very much included, I can relate to, as you said,
kind of having that idea of what you think you
want and this fantasy that usually you picked up through entertainment.
So for Anne, like she's reading all these fantasies, and
it's like forming these ideas of what she wants and
(29:57):
then when you actually get in the situation and it
checks off a bunch of the boxes and you're like,
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Really into this. I thought I would be.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
But that relates back to growing up as well and
having those sort of learning life experiences and people, hopefully
most people grow and change, and so for her, romance
just wasn't a big thing for her for a long time,
and so and Gil had his own growing up to
(30:30):
do and figuring things out, and sometimes the timing's just
not right, and you've got to wait until it is,
until you're both ready and in the healthy place, well.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
For him, not healthy place, but then healthy mentally. There
you go.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, there's so much in that, and I think that's
kind of a back and forth. Of course, we also
enjoy the fact that she got to have it, and
not many people get to have these reality the fantasies
come through or come true. So for her, she actually
got that, and it's a glorious moment of her going,
never mind, I don't want this. It's weird that he
(31:08):
did bring another woman for as a date who he's recording.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Throughout the movie and then being like want to marry you.
I'm like, wait what.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
And then the whole dance card thing.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I was like, oh, yeah, we love a good dance card.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
The other part is do they know this dance? Have
they figured out these dances?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Because you have to learn, like we've talked about Bridgerton
been learning these dances and how it took them days
and days and days to get this routine. Like same
thing here, Hello, Yeah, I do love it, by the way,
but yeah, I think it's interesting that we get to
see that ray of love and then also again we
get to see the different people coming through her life
talking about love, to see Brooks coming in and then
(31:48):
Brooke coming in and talking about her lack of love
in general and just giving up from jump, like being
so disappointed with life, giving up on it.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
And then she finds a bo oh to people interested possibly.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
At Heavenly as she leaves, but you know whatever, But yeah,
bringing in as we talk about Brooke, another kindred spirit
that took the entire movie to finally get through all
the kindred spirits that have been a part of the
entirety of.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
The series, which is one of the delights to me, So.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Like connecting with people on a deeper level, but knowing
that there's something about them.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That is going to teach you and you're going to
teach them is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And that's kind of that whole wonderful process as we
see her talking to Miss Harris and Emma Line, and
then we get to see her with Miss Stacy again
and how they are thicke as these even though they've
only had one year together technically, and then we get
to see her breaking through a brooke exterior of which
is hard and cold and really really angry for the
(32:51):
misshaps in her life, and like being able to show
her something different like that is that conversation and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
We love to see it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
We love to see it coming back through and just
pouring it out throughout the movie.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It's just a good plot line.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's just great because how yeah, this are the things
that I want to see is the connections with the
women throughout, And of course there's some men sprinkled in there,
but it's the women that she connects to and even
though it could be hostile, she still breaks through and
there is a layer of just people wanting to connect
in general.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, I had many times I was like, this
is the compound Samantha and I've talked about.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Like you get older, you move in with your best
lady friends. Yes, yes, yeah, I know. I love that
to you.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I love that you see, you see all these different
kinds of relationships between women too, Because you've got Anne
and Miss Stacy was like her mentor and Miss Stacy,
you know, being there for Anne and building her up
and helping her.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Find these opportunities.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Then you've got Anne and Emmeline, so she's having the
chance to be the mentor and build somebody up up
and give opportunities. With Miss Brooke, yeah, she's like who
says like I didn't want to be the school teacher.
I didn't want to be this Like here I am
and offering her like, well, you know, I have this
(34:16):
other option. I have this other path you can try,
and having her take that and like just seeing you
know the relationship between Anne and Marilla getting stronger.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Anne and Rachel Lynn still being my kind of enemies
but still friends.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And then I love the scene with the cow where
Diana follows her after the cow in her white dress
in the mud, like just like all right, I'm going
to help him like still being kind of that steady friendship.
So it's like, not only do we have a bunch
of these different relationships between women, We've got a bunch.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Of different shades. That's pretty rare still to see.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, it is, and I and just I love it.
I love that it continues to build up.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
People are still yes, you know, we have still had
that cattiness, but she never gives up hope on people
building them up and what it looks like when you
continue to persevere even still does it all? Is it
always that golden Of course not, but it is still
a beautiful story. I love the connections, and I think
that's what I really enjoyed about shows like this. This
is also why I love Sex in the City, even
(35:24):
though there's so many other things did that, But the
level of camaraderie again with the friends and the people
and the women when they actually want to see each
other succeed, and that's the beauty of the entire thing.
Diane is doing what she wants to do, which is
to be with her family and to grow a large
family within her town, and loving that. Seeing Marilla thriving
(35:45):
on the farm, even though she thought she was gonna
lose it, you know, stuff like that, Miss Stacey, even
though with her quote unquote hardships that she had in
our previous show, she's grown. She's getting up and getting
the respect that she deserves in the industry that she
hadn't pushed away from it.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Certain towns you know.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Like it's it's wonderful. We love it, we love to
see it, and yeah, this will remain one of my favorites.
And honestly, I would love to hear from anyone who
again has been to Prince Edward Island want to tell
me about it, or it lives in Prince Edward Island,
would like us to stay with them, or yes, you
can tell us the differences between the books and let
us know what you thought, what you didn't like, what
(36:22):
you did like, what you wish they had added, and
what you liked was a different take.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Awesome, Yes, it would be amazing because I think as
we record this, the first one hasn't come out yet,
our first Yeah, this hasn't come out, so we haven't
heard any feedback yet, so yes, keep it coming anymore.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yes, we need we need more.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Let's all celebrate in of Avonlea autumn.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Let's do it. Let's do It.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
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You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast
or in Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
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Speaker 3 (36:57):
Living that life. We know she's out there.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
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